Should GM/Ford be allowed to fail?

[spoon]

So obama's plan to continue said bail outs was clear i'm sure.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm no shill for Romney, however it was the NYT who put let Detroit go bankrupt

His article advocated for taxpayers guaranteeing a managed bankruptcy . That headline was parroted and used to provide low info voters show that Romney wanted GM to go belly up.

When a lot of people hear bankrupt they think a company fades away.


The Obama campaign used that and Romney didn't explain his article


Guess Tagg Romney was right. Mitt didn't want the job

[spoon]

I'm no shill for Romney, however it was the NYT who put let Detroit go bankrupt

His article advocated for taxpayers guaranteeing a managed bankruptcy . That headline was parroted and used to provide low info voters show that Romney wanted GM to go belly up.

When a lot of people hear bankrupt they think a company fades away.


The Obama campaign used that and Romney didn't explain his article


Guess Tagg Romney was right. Mitt didn't want the job

Sure thing, bc we all know the guy who ran AGAIN would have won if he just wanted it.

Sigh.

[spoon]

http://aibob.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/tp4.jpg?w=640&h=480

[jennysmurf]

tee hee....:clap:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

GM has all that free money and there were no commercials for the Superbowl this year

[spoon]

and if they did you'd be pissed more

[WRESTLINGFAN]

They could have had a preview commercial for the Stingray.


Theyre not paying for it.

[spoon]

They could have had a preview commercial for the Stingray.


Theyre not paying for it.


and there it is

stupid on two levels

Damned if you do, damned if you don't

the ole no win scenarios WF LOVES

[WRESTLINGFAN]

and there it is

stupid on two levels

Damned if you do, damned if you don't

the ole no win scenarios WF LOVES

GM is Private Pyle.


They eat the Jelly Donut.


We all pay for it.

[spoon]

awfully stupid

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Well maybe GM got the message. Nobody wants their Super Bowl ruined by their shitty substandard products

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Gotta hand it to Chrysler. They had a good commercial for Crony capitalism.


On the 8th day. God created the bailout


They belong to an Italian company and yes the govt isn't involved anymore however it was another billion dollar loss

Made me wanna buy a Toyota or Nissan truck

[spoon]

http://patdollard.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/097d439af0246515170f6a706700fc5c_original-512x350.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://thenavigatoronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/underbus_thumb.jpg

[spoon]

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/784259/thumbs/o-MICHELLE-OBAMA-PICTURES-570.jpg?4

[sailor]

Ford has 3 of top 6 cars/trucks in worldwide sales according to R.L. Polk.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Some of those new Lincoln's look really nice

The days of those big boxy town cars are long gone

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Fisker files for bankruptcy . Shitcans 75% of force. Taxpayers fleeced out of hundreds of millions of dollars in the latest electric car company to go belly up

[spoon]

yes yes

no investments is the key

fossil fuels forever, as everyone clearly expects changing things to be so easy, much less viable without help

oh wait

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Look how much this president has "invested" in green energy. For the overwhelmingly most part, they have all been colossal clusterfucks


Would you trust him and his inept cabinet members to manage your portfolio ?

[Jujubees2]

Look how much this president has "invested" in green energy. For the overwhelmingly most part, they have all been colossal clusterfucks


Would you trust him and his inept cabinet members to manage your portfolio ?

Com eon WF, you're better than that. Give us evidence that backs your claim.

Obama's alternative energy bankruptcies (http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/22/news/economy/obama-energy-bankruptcies/index.html)

But a spokesman for the Energy Department said that agency has dozens of programs that funded over 1,300 companies in the renewable energy space, and that less than 1% have gone bankrupt -- also true.

So just how many federally-funded energy companies have failed?

A total of five have gone bankrupt, according to the House Committee on Energy and Commerce. All of the failed companies that the Committee identified came from just two programs that received significant dollar amounts from the Department of Energy. Those two programs funded 63 firms. The other 58 are still in business. That's a failure rate of about 8%.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I don't trust that report from the energy department. These bureaucracies tend to inflate their success rates

DHS claims deportation numbers are up but as I posted previously those numbers are inflated

Furthermore a lot of those failed companies were bundlers for Obama

[hanso]

I believe that petrolatum is our future. Drill then spill it well to choke our waterways.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I believe the children are our future

[WRESTLINGFAN]

PS

Dubya also handed out cash to these projects like candy.

[A.J.]

yes yes

no investments is the key

fossil fuels forever, as everyone clearly expects changing things to be so easy, much less viable without help

oh wait

We need warp power!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm not opposed to alt energy cars. How about some of these billionaires like Richard Branson, T Boone, and other prominent ones pool some of their money and also raise outside capital , hire some scientists that can produce a car that can run another form of fuel cheaply and make cars that aren't just affordable but appealing to consumers. See if this new technology can break ground and compete with int combustion engines.

[spoon]

Look how much this president has "invested" in green energy. For the overwhelmingly most part, they have all been colossal clusterfucks


Would you trust him and his inept cabinet members to manage your portfolio ?

trains that crash make more noise than those that advance

you believe there is little advancement

[spoon]

Com eon WF, you're better than that. Give us evidence that backs your claim.

Obama's alternative energy bankruptcies (http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/22/news/economy/obama-energy-bankruptcies/index.html)

But a spokesman for the Energy Department said that agency has dozens of programs that funded over 1,300 companies in the renewable energy space, and that less than 1% have gone bankrupt -- also true.

So just how many federally-funded energy companies have failed?

A total of five have gone bankrupt, according to the House Committee on Energy and Commerce. All of the failed companies that the Committee identified came from just two programs that received significant dollar amounts from the Department of Energy. Those two programs funded 63 firms. The other 58 are still in business. That's a failure rate of about 8%.

perfect timing

stop with your fancy number thingies

[spoon]

I don't trust that report from the energy department. These bureaucracies tend to inflate their success rates

DHS claims deportation numbers are up but as I posted previously those numbers are inflated

Furthermore a lot of those failed companies were bundlers for Obama

oh that's perfect

[spoon]

I believe that petrolatum is our future. Drill then spill it well to choke our waterways.

Arkansas baby!

you hear so little on it too

[spoon]

I believe the children are our future

anchor babies, am I right!?

:lol:

[spoon]

I'm not opposed to alt energy cars. How about some of these billionaires like Richard Branson, T Boone, and other prominent ones pool some of their money and also raise outside capital , hire some scientists that can produce a car that can run another form of fuel cheaply and make cars that aren't just affordable but appealing to consumers. See if this new technology can break ground and compete with int combustion engines.

Branson does plenty on crap like this, but most of the rich want the status quo and there is no need to change the powers that be

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Theres about 30 companies that either filed for bankruptcy or in serious financial trouble

[spoon]

the economy has nothing to do with any of this too

it's just a clear sign God wants us to burn fossils all day

[WRESTLINGFAN]

anchor babies, am I right!?

:lol:

Yo Credo los ninos ser el futuro

[Misteriosa]

Yo Credo los ninos ser el futuro

Yo creo los ninos son el futuro

fixed... :dry:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Fancy schmancy Castilian Spanish

[Misteriosa]

Fancy schmancy Castilian Spanish

For the record, WF wrote "I (Yo) creed (Credo) the children (los ninos) be (ser) the future (el futuro)"

[WRESTLINGFAN]

GM trading at about $28 a share . How much more time do we need?

[Syd]

the economy is doing fine then if you want to quote GM shares as gospel

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The stock market is not a leading indicator of the economy.



GM is not even close to breaking even.

[sailor]

GM trading at about $28 a share .


The stock market is not a leading indicator of the economy.

Does it matter or not?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Does it matter or not?

In regards to GM stock? When taxpayers are still not made whole and are owed billions of dollars it does matter

[brettmojo]

Does it matter or not?

It's like listening to Romney give a campaign speech.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Speaking of campaigns , Valerie Jarrett should tell the boy wonder that it's been over for 5 months

[spoon]

Ooof

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Taxpayers bailed out Chrysler at a 1 billion loss and they refuse to comply to recalling 2.1 million Jeeps

[spoon]

This will surely backfire on them in the end. Just wow.

First time since 96 this happend i believe.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Smashing success.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2013/10/29/treasury-taxpayers-tarp-general-motors-loss/3295777/

[Syd]

given the yields on debt we were selling, it's less than 9.7

[WRESTLINGFAN]

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[spoon]

you are nothing is not persistently annoying

[WRESTLINGFAN]

9.7 Billion dollar loss.


That's what your government calls a success.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

GM's new CEO was getting grilled today in regards to the faulty ignition switches and over 2 million cars being recalled.


Most of these problems happened btwn 01-06. GM knew about this but did nothing about it.


All while running the company into the ground then bilking taxpayers out of 10's of billions of dollars in 08-09

[spoon]

and Jeep, and Toyota…see a trend here?

regulation and oversight bad

corps run amuck good

i know not of this fancy world you speak of, tell me how it goes round WF

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-n35wAjB_u78/T1G-sL_peBI/AAAAAAAABJc/UZc0x2bI0M8/s400/Caveman+Lawyer+Jury.png

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You seem to think I want anarchy. Who said there should be no regulation

There are consequences for Corps who pull this shit.

Since GM is a favorite of the govt, Lets see if they have to pay a billion like Toyota does

[spoon]

Or jeep...bottom line is you are a one way critic and a quip at best the other way to cover your biased ass...poorly.

Here comes the part where u say "did miss my one aside in every couple hundred posts where i take issue in very subtle fashion with an obvious asshole or issue the other way?"

Nice.

While you might not be for anarchy...competely too many lib overtones, you are for idiocy.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I want corps to be held accountable , I'm not towing the Romney line about them being people.