They sound kind of Broken lately, will O&A win in the end? [Archive]

The Nature Boy

03-06-2009, 09:23 AM

I'm like a good number of folks here, I came to Ron and Fez through O and A, and by virtue of this board, the RF love passed O&A by, if we're choosing up BFF lines here. Point is, I'm not as wall to wall with them as I am our buddays.

But this week, for whatever reason, I caught almost all of their shows, and they just sound broken, and maybe beaten. And with good reason, the world changed under their feet professionally, to say nothing of our world state, but its actually kind of sad and hard to listen to, and its the first time I ever felt bad for Opie and Anthony. The terrestial deal is a failure and they're on their way out, and you can argue the way, and I think much would be valid, from the Janet Jacksoninzation of things, to the frequent and numerous spots, to the sheer difficultly in finding a pace for a three hour show.

Specific moments that caught me were O&A's sleepwalk through the dice interview, which would have previously been a fertile field of confict and the Jason Ellis spot yesterday. They just seemed a little old and tired and I wanted them to show some teeth, but it was like they let this guy run roughshod over their show. I know Opie likes him, and maybe its an off day in an off week, but man it was flat. Ant's rant immediately following about how your hopes and ambition are ultimately squashed seemed quite a shoot.

Its a shaky time for them, but I know that rolling over and dying is not the way to rebound from this. Hopefully when this CBS shoe drops, they come regroup and come out kicking ass on XM again.

GreatAmericanZero

03-06-2009, 10:29 AM

Its a shaky time for them, but I know that rolling over and dying is not the way to rebound from this. Hopefully when this CBS shoe drops, they come regroup and come out kicking ass on XM again.

it all goes back to the "Howard's a hack who couldn't adapt" mantra when he was leaving terrestrial radio

many 202 folks should feel that Howard is always wrong...but in this case, he was so right. He couldn't do a good show on regular radio, knew it and changed to satellite to give his fans a better show. I never have listened to his SIRIUS show but i totally think what Howard did was a good thing for his fans

And Howard is a talented guy...even if you don't like his show its hard to dispute the fact that he is talented. If he couldn't pull off a terrestrial show he thought was good, who can?

It is a testament to O&A's talent that they tried. And they aren't astonishingly bad on regular radio. When you really think about it, with the content restrictions and commercials and all the other bullshit terrestrial radio things...who can make their situation work? 3 hours there, then 2 hours here..it is a hard situation

that being said, IF O&A were able to adapt in the way Howard couldn't, I wouldn't have to make excuses for them and its not my job as a listener to make these excuses. I think as far as the show they wanted to do on terrestrial radio and the impact they wanted to have, they failed. Say a college professor gives a test where everyone fails..even the smartest kid in the class. It was a bullshit situation that no one could get a fair deal in, but a failure is still a failure

Also, if O&A go back to a satellite only show, in a manner of time I think they themselves will admit that these terrestrial shows weren't very good. Just like they said how their homeless charlie apology wasn't sincere or how some of their WNEW bits sucked in reflection...they have to defend the terrestrial side because its what they need to do but they gotta know. They know great radio and have pulled off great radio many times in their career. They know.

S0S

03-06-2009, 10:32 AM

Specific moments that caught me were O&A's sleepwalk through the dice interview, which would have previously been a fertile field of confict and the Jason Ellis spot yesterday. They just seemed a little old and tired and I wanted them to show some teeth, but it was like they let this guy run roughshod over their show. I know Opie likes him, and maybe its an off day in an off week, but man it was flat. Ant's rant immediately following about how your hopes and ambition are ultimately squashed seemed quite a shoot.
That had only been the second time Dice has been on since their making up. I don't think they both saw Celebrity Apprentice.

Jason Ellis' hyper-active stories were by a fellow Sirius XM host and I guess they didn't want to ruin that relationship. For Jason Ellis will be doing a two hour show this Saturday from 7 to 9 pm est on XM 202/Sirius 197 right after Special Delivery with Sam & Dave and Weird Medicine with Dr. Steve & P.A. John. O&A talked about how draining their job in radio is and that to get big, it is one fight after the next and he seemed green and unawares or under the radar of the current situation.

Its a shaky time for them, but I know that rolling over and dying is not the way to rebound from this. Hopefully when this CBS shoe drops, they come regroup and come out kicking ass on XM again.

If you don't like the show now, you probably won't like it anymore if, ron&fez forbid, they get canned from CBS. Anyone changing their minds is unlikely to happen and then there would be other people who will say that the past situation was better. I would stop waiting for things that could happen. CBS & Citadel corporate does what it wants and has failed or kept flat in most markets that O&A have been in as referenced by Opie's keep track of the post-show ratings.
I would keep track of KLSX (http://www.ampradio.com/)'s ratings if you are so interested.

GreatAmericanZero

03-06-2009, 10:37 AM

If you don't like the show now, you probably won't like it anymore if, ron&fez forbid, they get canned from CBS. .

you keep making this point and i told you why you were wrong in another thread. i still don't get it. I never miss the XM portion of the show because i love it. I could care less what goes on on the CBS side because they are restricted to just do news and youtube clips. If they go back to satellite radio you get the 9-11 hours which i love for 2 more hours and freedom to do whatever they want in a less structured less restrictive setting

they will still do news and youtube on a full xm show..of course. But they don't have to watch their words or humor and the show is far more unpredictable in where they are going next.

i agreed with you when you say how people look at the WNEW days through rose colored glasses..alot of people do. But I'm not one of those people, i do think a lot of what they did on WNEW wouldn't entertain me today and they still do a lot of things that do entertain me today. Its just that 90% of what i personally find entertaining happens after 9am

S0S

03-06-2009, 10:50 AM

it all goes back to the "Howard's a hack who couldn't adapt" mantra when he was leaving terrestrial radio

many 202 folks should feel that Howard is always wrong...but in this case, he was so right. He couldn't do a good show on regular radio, knew it and changed to satellite to give his fans a better show. I never have listened to his SIRIUS show but i totally think what Howard did was a good thing for his fans
I think that some of that was a carnie act to promote his transfer to a paid service and denegrate his past terrestrial shiow. And justify his huge contract.

And Howard is a talented guy...even if you don't like his show its hard to dispute the fact that he is talented. If he couldn't pull off a terrestrial show he thought was good, who can?He was doing good in the ratings as seen by the drop-off in most if not all of the stations syndicating him, and some of the ratings are lower than when he was on even now.

It is a testament to O&A's talent that they tried. And they aren't astonishingly bad on regular radio. When you really think about it, with the content restrictions and commercials and all the other bullshit terrestrial radio things...who can make their situation work? 3 hours there, then 2 hours here..it is a hard situationI am going to inform you that there are content restrictions on Sirius XM as well. Mostly by the lawyers, human resources and corporate middling as evident by many rants on different days.

that being said, IF O&A were able to adapt in the way Howard couldn't, I wouldn't have to make excuses for them and its not my job as a listener to make these excuses. I think as far as the show they wanted to do on terrestrial radio and the impact they wanted to have, they failed. Say a college professor gives a test where everyone fails..even the smartest kid in the class. It was a bullshit situation that no one could get a fair deal in, but a failure is still a failure.
They are still on terrestrial radio which is ad supported which collapsed(as in bankruptcy) in the economic crisis. Unlike so many other shows, they are still on. I surmise that many general managers/program managers saw what was coming and justified their job by going to "local content".

Also, if O&A go back to a satellite only show, in a manner of time I think they themselves will admit that these terrestrial shows weren't very good. Just like they said how their homeless charlie apology wasn't sincere or how some of their WNEW bits sucked in reflection...they have to defend the terrestrial side because its what they need to do but they gotta know. They know great radio and have pulled off great radio many times in their career. They know.Wishful thinking. I got the undertones when Anthony read that prepared statement and knew it was fake as well as most fans.

I don't think they will be quoting General BAM anytime soon.
If you think O&A will be pulling a Hoo Hoo, you misunderstand the situations each are/were in.

S0S

03-06-2009, 11:09 AM

you keep making this point and i told you why you were wrong in another thread. i still don't get it. I never miss the XM portion of the show because i love it. I could care less what goes on on the CBS side because they are restricted to just do news and youtube clips. If they go back to satellite radio you get the 9-11 hours which i love for 2 more hours and freedom to do whatever they want in a less structured less restrictive setting

they will still do news and youtube on a full xm show..of course. But they don't have to watch their words or humor and the show is far more unpredictable in where they are going next.
So you think they are not restricted on Sirius XM? After the homeless charlie incident-suspension, I was attuned to all the lawyer/human resources/corporate shenanigans afterwards.

I guess I will have to relay when it happens more.

Satellite radio has changed.

i agreed with you when you say how people look at the WNEW days through rose colored glasses..alot of people do. But I'm not one of those people, i do think a lot of what they did on WNEW wouldn't entertain me today and they still do a lot of things that do entertain me today. Its just that 90% of what i personally find entertaining happens after 9amThe WNEW era was a good era but it is gone; it was covered in edited segments that were transfered and traded by people who really liked that era.

I don't see this huge black and white difference that you are seeing between the two halves of the show. There are differences of course but I don't understand the such dislike for the first part. So that is why I continued to say "if you don't like the show now, you won't like it if, ron&fez forbid, they are canned from CBS."

OGC

03-06-2009, 11:57 AM

It all seems so easy to us but it has to be draining to try to fill 5 hours of radio every morning. If they were allowed to do what they wanted on the FM side of things it would be easier, but the bosses on the terrestrial side are pretty much telling them to be entertaining for 3 hours without doing anything that you are known for. They can't curse, they can't do outrageous stunts, they can't even come close to anything racial.

I think the best thing for O&A would be for the FM show to go away and their XM/Sirius show to be cut back to at most 4 hours.

west milly Tom

03-06-2009, 12:19 PM

GreatAmericanZero

03-06-2009, 12:47 PM

So you think they are not restricted on Sirius XM? After the homeless charlie incident-suspension, I was attuned to all the lawyer/human resources/corporate shenanigans afterwards.

see, its impossible to have a smart debate if you are going to right something as stupid as this and act like its a point

the restrictions on the Krock show are quite different than the restrictions on the satellite show.

i don't even have to explain that...everyone knows. I can live without them saying "nigger" and know they will still put on a talented show. Them not being able to describe sexual situations/bodily fluids/do stunts/do hour long breaks hurts the show way more. and i know you are smarter than that arguement because you have to be. nothing wrong with being a superfan but your arguements have to be logical

your other points are just business stuff that shouldnt interest me as a fan because its making excuses that we wouldnt have to make if they were doing a good job. And if you can't understand why a fan wouldn't like the ball-less "entertainment news & youtube" 3 hour show they do in the morning then i guess you never will unless you look outside your opinion. I wouldn't mind them talking about Entertainment News and Youtube if they could do so with edge and explicit descriptions, but they can't so the first 3 hours are not good radio. Not awful, but mediocre..which is not what O&A want to do, a mediocre show

CofyCrakCocaine

03-06-2009, 01:01 PM

I couldn't disagree more with most of what is being said here. I hear a show that has finally found its voice again. All this talk over them not being biting enough is so wrong.
This isn't wnew anymore, the show has changed. They had some really funny moments this week where I lmao. And I love Ron and Fez as much as the next guy but, if you have to pick who's doing a better radio show its O & A.

To each their own. I think that Ron&Fez are by and far more professional, more spontaneous, funnier, quicker, and less hackneyed than O&A. Think of the O&A show as this kickass loaf of bread that's just gone stale.

As for the original post here... I don't think O&A handle change very well. I think they get too into their own little worlds, and once something happens where their world changes, they go along with the change dragging their feet and bitching every step of the way. And before anybody says it, I'm NOT talking about Obama-Change.

That's why when they got kicked off WAAF, they were slow and unsure of themselves when they first started in WNEW.

Opie admitted that he wasn't into the show for the first couple years in XM due to some serious changes in his life
Anthony seems to have gotten angrier since his divorce payments ended last year- his professional voice is clearly affected by changes in his personal life, ranging from girlfriends to whatever the hell else he does.

The homeless charlie thing completely knocked them on their asses, they had no idea what they were doing, and they wound up firing one of their best writers as a result.

E-Lo left the company and the merger was confirmed, and again they have spun into limbo, unsure of their careers and where they're going to be in a year.

Their show since the presidential race began in earnest last year has gone into a ditch, with the Big C spinning his wheels on the same sequence of talking points day in day out, almost being as repetitive as Patrice.

Every single one of these instances is where something changed for O&A, either in their careers, lives, or the world around them, and each time they've had the wind knocked out of them. I honestly don't think they can take too many more hits before they crumple to the mat, and it's been showing for some time now.

I wish 'em the best, but they simply don't have the same interest in this business they used to when they were younger. Which is fine. Everybody gets tired eventually of what they're doing. Shit happens. At least they're millionaires for it all.

CofyCrakCocaine

03-06-2009, 01:10 PM

see, its impossible to have a smart debate if you are going to right something as stupid as this and act like its a point

the restrictions on the Krock show are quite different than the restrictions on the satellite show.

i don't even have to explain that...everyone knows. I can live without them saying "nigger" and know they will still put on a talented show. Them not being able to describe sexual situations/bodily fluids/do stunts/do hour long breaks hurts the show way more. and i know you are smarter than that arguement because you have to be. nothing wrong with being a superfan but your arguements have to be logical

your other points are just business stuff that shouldnt interest me as a fan because its making excuses that we wouldnt have to make if they were doing a good job. And if you can't understand why a fan wouldn't like the ball-less "entertainment news & youtube" 3 hour show they do in the morning then i guess you never will unless you look outside your opinion. I wouldn't mind them talking about Entertainment News and Youtube if they could do so with edge and explicit descriptions, but they can't so the first 3 hours are not good radio. Not awful, but mediocre..which is not what O&A want to do, a mediocre show

Obviously GAZ, you personally dislike SOS or something because from where I'm sitting you're kind of over-reacting.

O&A have absolutely changed since Homeless Charlie, and there have been lots of restrictions on what they say. It's proven that they have to be more delicate with the wording of things related to race, and they don't know how to do that as gracefully as the venerated R&F. They seem to be ADD, maybe even OCD, about things they can and can't do, and it clearly bothers them and distracts from whatever else they are trying to do.

Let's face it. If you think that de-regulation of the O&A show is the way to go, then their show has been getting the life sucked out of it ever since that stupid woman got herself water poisoned during the Hold your Wee for a Wii contest. Because of that shit, we lost a great deal of listener participation on the O&A side of things.

It might be said that XM actually was bad for them because it spoiled them. Got them used to being able to say just about anything they wanted, then suddenly they had to regulate what they were saying. I don't see why S0S is unintelligent for bringing up this watershed moment in the O&A show.

Gvac

03-06-2009, 01:16 PM

Obviously GAZ, you personally dislike SOS or something because from where I'm sitting you're kind of over-reacting.

GAZ clearly hates O&A. I don't know why he continues to listen to them or post about them.

And here's the be all, end all truth about Opie, Anthony, Ron, and Fez -

They're human beings, not gods. People grow, change, and sometimes make mistakes. The O&A show will NEVER sound like 2001 WNEW Opie and Anthony. Ron and Fez will NEVER sound like the Ron and Fez Dot Com days or even the WNEW/WJFK 7-11PM shows. Those days are gone.

Whew.

Glad I got that off my chest.

Don Stugots

03-06-2009, 01:19 PM

if only Al dukes was still around, things would be better. its all his fault you know.

Friday

03-06-2009, 01:20 PM

if only Al dukes was still around, things would be better. its all his fault you know.

i like what he does for the Boomer & Carton show.

Don Stugots

03-06-2009, 01:21 PM

i like what he does for the Boomer & Carton show.

i do too. it is a good show and i am not a sports fan.

disneyspy

03-06-2009, 01:23 PM

if only Al dukes was still around, things would be better. its all his fault you know.

i blame everything on ron diaz

CofyCrakCocaine

03-06-2009, 01:47 PM

Wholeheartedly agree with Gvac, even if my epic rants on O&A make it seem like I don't.

Foster

03-06-2009, 04:02 PM

GreatAmericanZero

03-06-2009, 04:29 PM

you guys keep trying to pin your thoughts on me that isn't who i am

i think the FM show is weak. I think the XM show is very funny. The concept of the whole show being the XM show is appealing to me.

Also, i'm only talking about my opinion on radio shows that some disagree with. For anyone to think that i have a personal opinion of anyone other than "words on my computer monitor" is odd to me. i never taken any personal attacks on anyone, just their ideas they express on this website

Chimee

03-06-2009, 04:34 PM

GreatAmericanZero

03-06-2009, 04:38 PM

Gvac is 100% wrong, radio shows must always live up to what came before and do the same show every day through their entire career regardless of the current state of the industry and the host's lives. We the people are always right in everything, especially what movies to flock to. Popular choice, people, I want radio hosts that are assholes to everyone and burn every bridge just so they can get fired again and again and again because that's what's cool maaaan.

I look at these people like they are my playthings and by golly, they best adapt to my overly high expectations of them or I will anonymously bitch on a message board about every move they make.

well, me personally am not anonymous and i wrote in this very thread that i agree that the WNEW and "the good ol' days" are overrated and overpraised...but regardless, the XM show and the idea of a full show of explicit content and satellite radio quality program is far more appealing than half-a-terrestrial show. its such a simple concept

conman823

03-06-2009, 08:37 PM

I honestly don't believe the entire show is broken. As with all things it has its problems. As was said in other posts (and my past posts in other threads) the whole Lawyers/Management interference in the show has obviously affected the "entertainment" content. My only grip with that situation was Opie declared "WE know how to adapt to this enviroment, and other shows didn't". If by "adapt" he ment fall to pieces and run on auto pilot from 6-9 then bravo Op you hit the nail on the head.

Stern was 150% correct in his assesment of Terr. Radio prior to his leaving. Like him or not, he was right. O&A even played audio of Stern SAYING "Those guys are crazy for going back with those restrictions." They blasted him for being unable to "adapt", but he was completely right. Now Terr. Radio is falling apart, O&A look like they may be gone as soon as next week. Back to where they should have stayed, on XM.

I'm hoping they get back right into the swing of an "uncensored" show. I also hope they start focusing on the programing aspect of 202 as well. There is a lot of room for more entertaining content then the same weekend replay 100 times. R&F do this already, by providing original content on Holidays and specials on Weekends. I always felt there was so much more to do with a full channel then they have done with it.

With Opie and Jimmy's apparent renewed love of the job and fan interaction I'm looking forward to a return of XM Only O&A. I hope Ant gets onboard with it too and gets away from that fucking abortion radio cancer Pal-Talk.

I HOPE they are starting a new beginning and are far from done.

The Nature Boy

03-07-2009, 10:17 AM

If you don't like the show now, you probably won't like it anymore if, ron&fez forbid, they get canned from CBS. Anyone changing their minds is unlikely to happen and then there would be other people who will say that the past situation was better. I would stop waiting for things that could happen. CBS & Citadel corporate does what it wants and has failed or kept flat in most markets that O&A have been in as referenced by Opie's keep track of the post-show ratings.
I would keep track of KLSX (http://www.ampradio.com/)'s ratings if you are so interested.

What do you mean, the audience changing their mind or O and A ? I don't understand any of what you wrote actually.

The Nature Boy

03-07-2009, 10:34 AM

GAZ clearly hates O&A. I don't know why he continues to listen to them or post about them.

And here's the be all, end all truth about Opie, Anthony, Ron, and Fez -

They're human beings, not gods. People grow, change, and sometimes make mistakes. The O&A show will NEVER sound like 2001 WNEW Opie and Anthony. Ron and Fez will NEVER sound like the Ron and Fez Dot Com days or even the WNEW/WJFK 7-11PM shows. Those days are gone.

Whew.

Glad I got that off my chest.

I agree with your greater point, but who's asking them to be 2001 all over again? I dont' think Gaz is even asking that.

My point originally is that they seem to have declined in energy, enthusiasum, effort and quality from even six months ago, nevermind a year ago. I'm thinking their at an age where they might not find their motivation again, money will always make you less hungry and a dog that gets beat enough will stay down I guess. I sincerely hope its not the case for them, but as the CBS ax hangs, I figure its worth discussing.

ToiletCrusher

03-07-2009, 11:21 AM

They sure do sound broken. Broken like a record.

WampusCrandle

03-07-2009, 12:19 PM

i love hearing my AFRO everyday. every fall, high, low point, i take in like a new breath of fresh air .... with a hint of mint! i like it all, so i just feel like everyday is better than the next. i just cant complain.

nocountryjon1

03-07-2009, 01:14 PM

[QUOTE=GreatAmericanZero;2153673] I never miss the XM portion of the show because i love it. I could care less what goes on on the CBS side because they are restricted to just do news and youtube clips. If they go back to satellite radio you get the 9-11 hours which i love for 2 more hours and freedom to do whatever they want in a less structured less restrictive setting

But they don't have to watch their words or humor and the show is far more unpredictable in where they are going next

yeah its pretty evident that you dont listen to their show they do more than talk about youtube and the news they have guests that are funny as hell oh and yeah they dont have to watch their words or humor on xm cough homeless charlie you said that you dont listen to cbs so they could have and did have a good week its entertaining but you didnt hear so to you yeah they fell flat speak on what ya know
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underdog

03-07-2009, 01:16 PM

GreatAmericanZero

03-07-2009, 01:30 PM

yeah its pretty evident that you dont listen to their show they do more than talk about youtube and the news they have guests that are funny as hell oh and yeah they dont have to watch their words or humor on xm cough homeless charlie you said that you dont listen to cbs so they could have and did have a good week its entertaining but you didnt hear so to you yeah they fell flat speak on what ya know
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i made this point already but you have to be braindead to compare the restrictions on XM (they can't say "nigger") to the restrictions on FreeFM (where they can't even describe taking a shit). Such an illogical argument.

And they do have funny guests on CBS, but guess what? They are funnier on XM. Jim Jeffries, Louie CK, Kevin Smith all say things when they get to XM like "ok thank god we are finally here" and "its so much more fun to do this side".

Tell me one thing that is better on CBS than on XM. Someone said that the only callers on XM will be fanboys...but i dont know b/c it doesn't affect R&F which is a show that relies more on the phone...so besides that one point that has been named

MacVittie

03-07-2009, 01:44 PM

the text is big and red, therefore what he wrote must be true

this is sarcasm, therefore it must be true

nocountryjon1

03-07-2009, 01:44 PM

i made this point already but you have to be braindead to compare the restrictions on XM (they can't say "nigger") to the restrictions on FreeFM (where they can't even describe taking a shit). Such an illogical argument.

And they do have funny guests on CBS, but guess what? They are funnier on XM. Jim Jeffries, Louie CK, Kevin Smith all say things when they get to XM like "ok thank god we are finally here" and "its so much more fun to do this side".

Tell me one thing that is better on CBS than on XM. Someone said that the only callers on XM will be fanboys...but i dont know b/c it doesn't affect R&F which is a show that relies more on the phone...so besides that one point that has been named

i never said it was better im saying that its still good i enjoy their show ALL OF IT oh and whoever said that about fanboys is insane but theyre alot more callers that dont agree with the show that call in and bitch and thers nothing better than hearing jimmy argue that doesnt happen that much on xm so theres your point

GreatAmericanZero

03-07-2009, 01:59 PM

i never said it was better im saying that its still good i enjoy their show ALL OF IT oh and whoever said that about fanboys is insane but theyre alot more callers that dont agree with the show that call in and bitch and thers nothing better than hearing jimmy argue that doesnt happen that much on xm so theres your point

i said the FM show is "pretty good". I called it pleasant. I just think of the o&a show as a show that strives for more than that.

And you are really giving "jimmy arguing" as an FM exclusive bit? If something annoyed him the day before he would probably save it for the begining of the next day's show but you can't honestly think that Jimmy won't argue or argue less if it was an XM exclusive show. In fact, i'll say Jimmy arguing or ranting is funnier on XM because he can express himself more without worrying about his words

And i like how no one can say "they get better guests being on terrestrial radio, more fans to go instudio and do stuff" because none of that stuff never really happened

nocountryjon1

03-07-2009, 02:23 PM

i said the FM show is "pretty good". I called it pleasant. I just think of the o&a show as a show that strives for more than that.

And you are really giving "jimmy arguing" as an FM exclusive bit? If something annoyed him the day before he would probably save it for the begining of the next day's show but you can't honestly think that Jimmy won't argue or argue less if it was an XM exclusive show. In fact, i'll say Jimmy arguing or ranting is funnier on XM because he can express himself more without worrying about his words

And i like how no one can say "they get better guests being on terrestrial radio, more fans to go instudio and do stuff" because none of that stuff never really happened

yeah i do think that he argues more on cbs with callers there is a wider range of callers on cbs who dont get get the show or get offended more easily than xm callers its not exclusive but it is more frequent besides how would you know you dont listen remember curse words or not jim norton is funny and i didnt say anything about guests thats not the conversation

GreatAmericanZero

03-07-2009, 02:26 PM

yeah i do think that he argues more on cbs with callers there is a wider range of callers on cbs who dont get get the show or get offended more easily than xm callers its not exclusive but it is more frequent besides how would you know you dont listen remember curse words or not jim norton is funny and i didnt say anything about guests thats not the conversation

i re-read my original post, i wrote "i could care less what happens on the krock show". when i'm in my office i catch bits and pieces of the krock show all the time (on the afternoon replay). But I'll record what i miss on the XM side, and if i had to leave during the XM side or R&F, i'll listen to what i recorded over the new Krock programming, because when i miss Krock i don't feel like i'm missing anything

NewYorkDragons80

03-07-2009, 02:34 PM

GAZ clearly hates O&A. I don't know why he continues to listen to them or post about them.

And here's the be all, end all truth about Opie, Anthony, Ron, and Fez -

They're human beings, not gods. People grow, change, and sometimes make mistakes. The O&A show will NEVER sound like 2001 WNEW Opie and Anthony. Ron and Fez will NEVER sound like the Ron and Fez Dot Com days or even the WNEW/WJFK 7-11PM shows. Those days are gone.

Whew.

Glad I got that off my chest.

In GAZ's defense, if you read his comments in other O&A threads, he clearly likes the show and has defended it from the simplistic "bitching" arguments. But I agree with Gvac that all the pressure to do the WNEW show is unfair and unrealistic and only complicates Fez's problems. Additionally, Fez IS getting much much better and the back and forth between Ron and Fez is gradually getting to where it should be. I will also say that O&A in the past month or so has improved from the Obama-centric shows that plagued them in the summer and the fall.

JohnGacysCrawlSpace

03-07-2009, 02:47 PM

K-rock's mom's box?

nocountryjon1

03-07-2009, 02:54 PM

i re-read my original post, i wrote "i could care less what happens on the krock show". when i'm in my office i catch bits and pieces of the krock show all the time (on the afternoon replay). But I'll record what i miss on the XM side, and if i had to leave during the XM side or R&F, i'll listen to what i recorded over the new Krock programming, because when i miss Krock i don't feel like i'm missing anything

did i just get side stepped hahahahaha fine you listen we agree on that but you barely listen to the krock side

CofyCrakCocaine

03-07-2009, 03:09 PM

http://classes.design.ucla.edu/Spring07/155/projects/peng/1.jpg

FTW.

GreatAmericanZero

03-07-2009, 08:42 PM

In GAZ's defense, if you read his comments in other O&A threads, he clearly likes the show and has defended it from the simplistic "bitching" arguments.

i'm the beverage connoisseur of ronfez.net because i drink both kool-aid and hater-aid. my belly is fulllllllllllllllllllll

Marc with a c

03-07-2009, 08:44 PM

http://classes.design.ucla.edu/Spring07/155/projects/peng/1.jpg

that hole isn't big enough

conman823

03-08-2009, 06:24 AM

Compliment-Guy

03-08-2009, 07:15 AM

Opie and Anthony do an awesome job on FM and XM! Jimmy Norton is amazing as well! Steve, Danny, Erock, and intern David are all superb also! Even Club Soda Kenny is fantastic! Everyone associated with the show absolutely kills on a daily basis!

I am so thankful that they do so much to entertain us each and every day!

nocountryjon1

03-08-2009, 12:44 PM

. . . . . . . period

hammersavage

03-08-2009, 12:51 PM

nocountryjon1

03-08-2009, 12:58 PM

[QUOTE=NewYorkDragons80;2154860]In GAZ's defense, if you read his comments in other O&A threads, he clearly likes the show and has defended it from the simplistic "bitching" arguments.

you mean he likes part of the show right?

acinlet

03-09-2009, 09:10 AM

Regarding adapting to terr rado, Ron and Fez were able to put on a great show when they were on free fm for 5 months

GreatAmericanZero

03-09-2009, 01:26 PM

Regarding adapting to terr rado, Ron and Fez were able to put on a great show when they were on free fm for 5 months

a big plus with R&F doing KROCK was it didn't effect their satellite show. R&F still did the noon-3 slot like they always did...so us fans were just like "cool, more R&F! Yay!" The KROCK show also had a feel where the listeners were like "we are privileged to be listening to this, but its ok if they aren't great because its not their real show"..hence, no one really got mad if they repeated bits from the earlier show and stuff like that

however, with O&A its like "ok we'll take this 4 hour show with limited commercial breaks that you love, and change it into something completely different". Upon reflection, instead of a simple 4 hour show, they did 3 hours of radio where they had to strictly watch their language and topics with these loooooooong commercial breaks where they played badly edited "best of" bits, then a half hour break inbetween and then finally an hour and a half of what we used to get for 4 hours. Even when i supported the FM show and was like "its not that bad, they are doing their best" i can't say i ever felt 100% comfortable. ever.