Lost: The Final Season - Destiny Found

[underdog]

It certainly appeared Eloise knew what was going on. I was expecting desmnd to get flashes from his past of her in the jewLry shop.

Eloise is the "oracle" of Lost. I think she always knows what's going on.

[underdog]

Eloise is the "oracle" of Lost. I think she always knows what's going on.

Also, is Desmond everyone's constant?

[disneyspy]

Eloise is the "oracle" of Lost. I think she always knows what's going on.

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[fezident]

Penny's cunt chaser, Penny's cunt chaser, doodoo doo doo doodoo doo doo...

[underdog]

Hugo episode next week!

[Furtherman]

Hugo episode next week!

It's about time!

[Willmore]

I just looked up the writers for last night's episode, shocker: Carlton Cuse & Damon Lindelof. They have done three episodes this season, this one, the season premier, and "Lighthouse".

That's the problem with Lost. They have 2 good writers and the rest are shit. But since they have to churn out 18 hours of TV, they can't write everything. Lost would have been amazing with HBO seasons - 6 hours by the good writers for maybe 5-6 seasons, that's plenty of time to unravel the story they want to tell.

[TooLowBrow]

first the temple people 'killed' sayid

they use a ring of ash to keep the smoke monster away

now the widmore poeple 'killed' desmond

they use a ring of sonic generators to keep the smoke monster away





jacob got sayid inside the temple and 'killed' by putting that note inside the guitar case

that seems like a mistake on his part

[Doctor Manhattan]

...it was a nothing ep if ya ask me. i hate when people say that but that one was nothing....... maybe i should watch it again

I don't understand how you can say that, if you didn't like it, that is fine but something happened. This episode starts to really explain the Sideways stories (up to know it's just been little clues, weird looks in the mirror and inferences)

[Furtherman]

Doc Jensen's rundown this week brought up a great point. On the plane, Desmond had a wedding ring on. When he gets into the limo at the airport, he doesn't.

So this sideways timeline might be a constantly changing existence. Maybe something happens on the island, and that affects the life of the character's sideways life.

Two weeks ago I figured that Sun would die, and this theroy fits into that situation, as each character is still tied - connected - string theory! - Schrödinger's cat! - to the two lives and one will effect the other profusely.

[Fallon]

Why wasn't Penny creeped out that a stranger new her name, fainted and asked her out?

Was it because they are supposed to be together?

[Furtherman]

Why wasn't Penny creeped out that a stranger new her name, fainted and asked her out?

Was it because they are supposed to be together?

Yes. She should have been put off, but she was attracted to him. Love at first sight stuff.

[disneyspy]

Yes. She should have been put off, but she was attracted to him. Love at first sight stuff.

i was thinkin that with sawyer and kate when he helped her escaped even tho he was a cop and the second time he saw her he had that look in his eye

[Willmore]

Why wasn't Penny creeped out that a stranger new her name, fainted and asked her out?

Was it because they are supposed to be together?

That, or the guy was hot and she was horny. Why do you think she was running on those steps?

[MIKEYDAKEN]

That, or the guy was hot and she was horny. Why do you think she was running on those steps?

she was preparing for the boat race or that is the only stadium Hawaii has.

[instrument]

poor desmond, even on earth 2 he's pushing a button.

[K.C.]

first the temple people 'killed' sayid

they use a ring of ash to keep the smoke monster away

now the widmore poeple 'killed' desmond

they use a ring of sonic generators to keep the smoke monster away





jacob got sayid inside the temple and 'killed' by putting that note inside the guitar case

that seems like a mistake on his part


Maybe...or maybe it's like a Gollum factor....Gollum needed to be spared in LOTR because his insane addiction was instrumental in the ultimate destruction of the ring.

Similarly, it could be that Sayid will be a key factor by something he does unintentionally.

Although, that then raises the question again as to predetermination vs. choice....and Jacob supposedly is all about choice...

Although that then raises the counter-question, if someone gives a prophecy of something that's going to happen, and it happens, is it a predetermined destiny, or did the prophet just give the prophecy because he knew that it was always GOING to happen based on the makeup of the person (Oedipus).

[K.C.]

Ok, here is my new super-terrific happy fun time Lost theory for today, and it has to do with a major loose end that I don't think very many people are talking about.

Between the time we last see Jacob and MIB together back in the 1800s, and the present, three things happened:

1) MIB becomes confined to the cabin.
2) A containment ring is placed around the cabin (which is suppose to keep him in or out of something).
3) The containment ring is broken (as shown by Ilana and her group in the Season 5 finale before they burn the cabin).

Now, MIB obviously can't break the containment ring itself, so someone made a deal with it to let it loose.

Who would benefit from such a move?

If, like me, you're starting to believe that the Sideways is a false reality built to fulfill these 'promises' it's been making in exchange for help, then you need to analyze who would be so horrified by their real life and what happened in it that they would willingly destroy existence in exchange for another existence.

Answer: Eloise Hawking.

And here's what will happen:

There's no doubt in my mind that when Ben sees his mother in the jungle as a kid in the early 70s, it's MIB.

He meets Richard and tells him about his experience....Richard, from his past encounter with it goes to Eloise and Widmore and tells them about his experience when he first met it, how he saw visions of his dead wife and then it promised him to be reunited with her if he killed Jacob.

The three of them, with The Others, devise a plan to trap it in the containment ring and confine it to the cabin, and they succeed.

A few years pass, Sawyer and his group come to the island...a few more pass...Jack and his group land in the 70s.

Eloise kills Daniel...the Incident happens, Jack detonates the bomb and all of the 815ers disappear back to the present.

My guess is that after The Incident, realizing that it didn't work and that she was doomed to kill her own son, Eloise seeks out MIB hoping to take it back.

MIB makes a deal with her that if she helps him and does what he asks, then she'll be reunited with her son again.

MIB tells her she must make everything with her son play out exactly as has happened, and also warns her about Desmond and how he could potentially muck up the plan (which is why she's so involved in his life constantly telling him he's suppose to follow his path).

[K.C.]

The flip side of the MIB/Eloise relationship will be that I think Widmore also at some point encounters Jacob and learns that Desmond is special and that if he has to get Desmond to choose to save whatever it is they're trying to save.

[TooLowBrow]

she was preparing for the boat race or that is the only stadium Hawaii has.

thats where they play the pro bowl

[Doctor Manhattan]

Does everybody love Hugo?

[mikeyboy]

Does everybody love Hugo?

No. I predict tonight's episode will be one of the lesser ones of the season.

[KingGeno]

I wonder what whacky and zany things Hugo will do this episode......that won't have anything to do with the goddamn story line, specially with 6 episodes left in the damn season.

I am looking forward to Lost Series Ender Sunday on May 23rd.

[fezident]

I don't care for Hugo but, I thought Libby was pretty hot. I hope she shows up in this episode.

[Furtherman]

This Hugo hate will not stand! I love Hugo!

[Willmore]

No. I predict tonight's episode will be one of the lesser ones of the season.

Ditto. Especially after last week.

[instrument]

I don't care for Hugo but, I thought Libby was pretty hot. I hope she shows up in this episode.

no chance, they've tried previously and she wasn't interested.

i've always wondered what the show would've been like if it weren't for stuff like that.

[paulisded]

no chance, they've tried previously and she wasn't interested.

i've always wondered what the show would've been like if it weren't for stuff like that.

Hmmm, I recall reading a number of articles at the beginning of the season that said she was coming back.

[realmenhatelife]

Hmmm, I recall reading a number of articles at the beginning of the season that said she was coming back.

She's listed in the info for this episode.

[mikeyboy]

no chance, they've tried previously and she wasn't interested.

i've always wondered what the show would've been like if it weren't for stuff like that.

It was reported in January that she would be back. (http://news-briefs.ew.com/2010/01/12/lost-tca/) Has that changed?

[Doctor Manhattan]

no chance, they've tried previously and she wasn't interested.

What the Hell else is she doing?

[mikeyboy]

What the Hell else is she doing?

hoping for a "Titus" reunion.

[instrument]

my bad then folks, i remember a few years back she was asked and said she wasn't interested in coming back to the show.

[K.C.]

I think it'll be another Sideways heavy episode....I don't expect much from the island story other than moving the beach group over to Hydra Island

(although I really think we'll get a decent swerve...remember when Sawyer & Co were time tripping in Season 5 and they stole some boats and then got chased by some people who followed them in the other boats...I think that'll be the beach group...in fact, I expect someone to get shot from the shots Sawyer fired at them during that episode...Sun would make sense since we saw her get it in the Sideways a couple weeks ago.).

[disneyspy]

whenever i see hugo i think of betidont,i like him

[HBox]

Senator Kelly?

[HBox]

hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[johnniehardrock]

And boom goes the dynamite

[Pitdoc]

...who didn't see THAT coming?

[MIKEYDAKEN]

hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

x2

[K.C.]

Most shocking death ever?

[HBox]

Most shocking death ever?

Most hilarious.

Man I hated that bitch.

[K.C.]

Avatar looks like shit in 2D.

[K.C.]

And how the he'll did Tom get his own show...from gay Other to own series? Really?

[hammersavage]

This is just like when Earl banged crazy pussy

[disneyspy]

i hope hurley remembered the blankets this time

[extracheese]

I just cant get over how fat hurley really is. He is in serious danger of going the way of
Candy and Belushi.

[HBox]

That was the most hilariously violent show ever.

And what was with the Willy Wonka?

[booster11373]

Say wha.......

[K.C.]

That was the most hilariously violent show ever.

And what was with the Willy Wonka?

Is it wrong that I like the promo for next week more than the episode? (even though it was a pretty good episode).

By the way, either Gene Wilder sounds a lot like Ben, or they redubbed that with Michael Emerson singing it.

[disneyspy]

Is it wrong that I like the promo for next week more than the episode? (even though it was a pretty good episode).

By the way, either Gene Wilder sounds a lot like Ben, or they redubbed that with Michael Emerson singing it.

its wrong that you watch a promo for something you plan on watchig already

[K.C.]

its wrong that you watch a promo for something you plan on watchig already

Is it wrong that Sideways Ben thought Sideways Desmond was a pedo?

[K.C.]

By the way, I've officially lost any confidence as to whether I know what the hell is going on in this show.

[disneyspy]

By the way, I've officially lost any confidence as to whether I know what the hell is going on in this show.

me too and i'm enjoying being lost

[disneyspy]

Is it wrong that Sideways Ben thought Sideways Desmond was a pedo?

talk about the pot...





and no im not saying this is pot talk,not that theres anything wrong with that

[Servo]

That was a surprisingly damn good episode.

I guess we did get one series-long question answered - what the whispers are.

[underdog]

That was a surprisingly damn good episode.

YES!

So, Desmond is working for island Whitmore in the sideways world. That's why he never cared what went on in the island world. He knew it really didn't matter in his scheme of things. His job is to make the candidates realize where they are supposed to be, and to apparently kill Locke.

[Doctor Manhattan]

I wonder what whacky and zany things Hugo will do this episode......that won't have anything to do with the goddamn story line, specially with 6 episodes left in the damn season.

That was a great episode, Hugo remained himself but somehow became a leader. I love it! Now how the hell does Sideways Desmond know that Locke=Smoke? Unless there is some other reason for running him down?

[TooLowBrow]

By the way, I've officially lost any confidence as to whether I know what the hell is going on in this show.

do you think the writers really know how it all fits together?

i dont think they do anymore

[drusilla]

hoping for a "Titus" reunion.

I know I am

[Furtherman]

By the way, I've officially lost any confidence as to whether I know what the hell is going on in this show.

Same here. Great shocks a few times during the show... A few questions answered too.. I love where they're going with this because, I can't wait to see! I will miss Ilana's part, I figured Jacob's touch would have saved her.. But yea, saw that coming the way she was jiggling that dynamite!

[stinkbud]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ9JT1WOGjk

This is the music from the promo.

All I could think of tonight was "Dude, you got a little Artz on you"

[Servo]

I have a feeling we haven't seen the last of Ilana completely. I think we're still going to learn about the circumstances around Jacob coming to visit her in that hospital where her head's all bandaged up. I wonder if those injuries somehow "tie in" to her little accident in tonight's ep.

[stinkbud]

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[marky2bucks]

Good ep, but I couldn't stop staring at this plot hole.

Why did Richard have to get unstable, 200 year old dynamite to blow up a plane when they had explosives at Dharmaville? And why couldn't they just, you know, shoot the gas tank with all of their guns?

Anyway, I laughed at the Human Fund reference in the beginning.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

Good ep, but I couldn't stop staring at this plot hole.

Why did Richard have to get unstable, 200 year old dynamite to blow up a plane when they had explosives at Dharmaville? And why couldn't they just, you know, shoot the gas tank with all of their guns?

Anyway, I laughed at the Human Fund reference in the beginning.

how about this plot hole. if that dynamite is so unstable how did it not blow the black rock to hell when it was launched through the statue and halfway into the island? was this ever explained did it get more unstable over the years?

[Furtherman]

Good ep, but I couldn't stop staring at this plot hole.

Why did Richard have to get unstable, 200 year old dynamite to blow up a plane when they had explosives at Dharmaville? And why couldn't they just, you know, shoot the gas tank with all of their guns?

Dharmaville, on the other side of the island, did not have any explosives. Shooting the gas tank doesn't work. Even though this is TV, that's the kind of thing you only see on TV.


how about this plot hole. if that dynamite is so unstable how did it not blow the black rock to hell when it was launched through the statue and halfway into the island? was this ever explained did it get more unstable over the years?

Dynamite sweats glycerin when it sits around for a long, long time. Didn't you listen to Professor Artz?

[Dell]

Dharmaville, on the other side of the island, did not have any explosives. Shooting the gas tank doesn't work. Even though this is TV, that's the kind of thing you only see on TV.




Dynamite sweats glycerin when it sits around for a long, long time. Didn't you listen to Professor Artz?

unless there is a cache of jet fuel on the island, dumping the tank would be equivalent to blowing it up...highly doubtful the plane could have landed there with enough fuel to take it somewhere anyway...

this is tv and I don't let things like this get in my way (great show)...

[MIKEYDAKEN]

Dynamite sweats glycerin when it sits around for a long, long time. Didn't you listen to Professor Artz?[/QUOTE]

i can't think back that far. and i love characters just getting blown to bits.

[CountryBob]

I'm gonna miss Ilana's big boobies more than her character.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

I'm gonna miss Ilana's big boobies more than her character.

wasn't she the warrior chick from Rome with a huge rack that never showed them off?

[Aggie]

That was a great episode, Hugo remained himself but somehow became a leader. I love it! Now how the hell does Sideways Desmond know that Locke=Smoke? Unless there is some other reason for running him down?

i don't necessarily think that is the case ut if it is, one possibility is that when flocke pushed desmond down the well, he was knocked out and flashed back to his sideways self and ran him down thinking he was evil.

but what i think is happening is desmond is on a mission to "awaken" all the sideways castaways to their island memories. he pushed hurley along by encouraging him to see libby. and with locke, i believe his goal was to get him to the hospital for jack to operate on him, thus jolting them both at the same time.

[Furtherman]

i don't necessarily think that is the case ut if it is, one possibility is that when flocke pushed desmond down the well, he was knocked out and flashed back to his sideways self and ran him down thinking he was evil.

but what i think is happening is desmond is on a mission to "awaken" all the sideways castaways to their island memories. he pushed hurley along by encouraging him to see libby. and with locke, i believe his goal was to get him to the hospital for jack to operate on him, thus jolting them both at the same time.

Ah ha! I like that theory about Jack and Locke. Although I thought Desmond wanted to kill Locke. He hit him head on! He could have just ran over his foot.

[Aggie]

Ah ha! I like that theory about Jack and Locke. Although I thought Desmond wanted to kill Locke. He hit him head on! He could have just ran over his foot.

true, but a spinal surgeon wouldn't operate on a broken foot. :) and maybe he can heal him so he can walk down the aisle!

it was risky, but despearate times....

[realmenhatelife]

Ah ha! I like that theory about Jack and Locke. Although I thought Desmond wanted to kill Locke. He hit him head on! He could have just ran over his foot.

Or set up a nice lunch date.

Locke is already paralized, so I dont know if they'd send him to a spinal surgeon after getting hit by a car. I think Desmond was trying to kill Locke for retaliation.

[Aggie]

Or set up a nice lunch date.

Locke is already paralized, so I dont know if they'd send him to a spinal surgeon after getting hit by a car. I think Desmond was trying to kill Locke for retaliation.

maybe, but i disagree. just because he's paralyzed you think they would ignore his spine? what about checking to make sure there is no more extensive damage or that his pre-existing condition had changed? i think it's a sure thing that a spinal surgeon would check him out.

[Willmore]

By the way, that red book in Russian was Notes from the Underground by Dostoyevski.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notes_from_Underground

[underdog]

Was Desmond one of the candidates?

[Doctor Manhattan]

i don't necessarily think that is the case ut if it is, one possibility is that when flocke pushed desmond down the well, he was knocked out and flashed back to his sideways self and ran him down thinking he was evil.

but what i think is happening is desmond is on a mission to "awaken" all the sideways castaways to their island memories. he pushed hurley along by encouraging him to see libby. and with locke, i believe his goal was to get him to the hospital for jack to operate on him, thus jolting them both at the same time.

Locke is already paralized, so I dont know if they'd send him to a spinal surgeon after getting hit by a car. I think Desmond was trying to kill Locke for retaliation.

Yeah, I agree that Sideways Desmond probably doesn't know that Locke is the Smoke Monster (Do we even know if Desmond knows about MIB? He spent most of his time on the island in the hatch but I guess he would have seen something. Either way it seems that Regular Desmond doesn't know that Locke is dead and he was talking to a fake Locke last night, at least he didn't seem to reveal that he knew something was up.)

But since Sideways Locke was already paralyzed and had already met Jack (and got an offer for a free consult) I don't think Desmond is trying to get those two together. I know Desmond probably doesn't know they already met, it's just the look on Desmond's face right before he hit Locke. The idea that being thrown down the well by Locke and being more connected to the Sideways version of himself makes more sense.


Oh. We have one more new episode before a week without Lost (They are re-running Ab Aeterno on April 27th.) I kind of wish they just waited a week to start the season rather than fill in a week like that.

[PD]

Anyway, I laughed at the Human Fund reference in the beginning.
Damn, I missed that.

[Dan 'Hampton]

The whisper "reveal" was really hamhanded. I felt like Jim when it when down like that. That was horrific writing.

[underdog]

If the whispers are dead people, why did the Others always show up when the whispers were around?

And did Hugo hear whispers with all the dead people he talked to? I don't remember him hearing the whispers before this.

[Dan 'Hampton]

"I think I know what those are." You're kidding me right? Just really embarassing. Much like my spelling.

[Furtherman]

If the whispers are dead people, why did the Others always show up when the whispers were around?

And did Hugo hear whispers with all the dead people he talked to? I don't remember him hearing the whispers before this.

When the whispers happened before, the Others did not always show up. Hurley talked to most of the dead people off the island, where he wouldn't have heard whispers.

[King Imp]

My wife, who is even more confused about this show than I am, brought up an interesting point.

What if Desmond is considered the new Jacob? I mean he is now influencing people the same way Jacob did before. Granted, running over Locke doesn't sound much like influencing, but like Aggie said, what if he did that as a way for him to have to see Jack.

[K.C.]

do you think the writers really know how it all fits together?

i dont think they do anymore

I definitely get the impression they don't want to waste time on certain questions, so they're writing off parts of the story with bland explanation (I.e. the Whispers, the Numbers).

But I guess I have to think they know how this is going to work...I just can't figure it out.



The two biggest things of that episode to me are "why did MIB react the way he did to Desmond and throw him down the well" and "why did Desmond run over Locke in the Sideways."

To the first, I'd say that it, combined with the explanation of the Whispers has me leaning in the direction that there is a purgatory aspect to the show. That the reward for doing the right thing on the island will be a linked consciousness between your former island self and your Sideways self that will allow you to gain all the knowledge and internal progress made from the island experiences (and meet up with any chicks you met).

Whereas those who do the wrong thing become bound to the island and their Sideways selfs are trapped in a sort of incomplete
hell (I.e. Sideways Sayid).

I hope that's not the case because I don't think Id be particularly fond of that explanation for the show.


As for the Desmond/Locke question, he was either trying to kill Sideways Locke to trap MIBLocke on the island forever, leaving him without a Sideways vessel, or, he was trying to show Real Locke his Sideways self to force some sort of warring consciouness link between Locke and MIB to try and force MIB out of Locke's body (and possibly resurrect Locke in that body).

I hope it's the latter, I fear it's the former.

I'm starting to get the feeling that everyone but the Candidate will eventually die on the island and either
move to the Sideways and obtain full enlightenment or if they're bad, have an incomplete
tortured self bound to each reality.

The Candidate will make the sacrifice of staying in the island world, never obtaining full Sideways
enlightenment to maintain the Jacob/MIB dichotomy and prevent MIB from making another attempted Sideways prison break.

[Dan 'Hampton]

The numbers have to be explained better. As in why were they on the radio transmission and the dharma hatch. Numbering the candidates dosnt cut it. I did enjoy the wonka preview for next week.

[underdog]

My wife, who is even more confused about this show than I am, brought up an interesting point.

What if Desmond is considered the new Jacob? I mean he is now influencing people the same way Jacob did before. Granted, running over Locke doesn't sound much like influencing, but like Aggie said, what if he did that as a way for him to have to see Jack.

That's what I thought.

[underdog]

The numbers have to be explained better. As in why were they on the radio transmission and the dharma hatch. Numbering the candidates dosnt cut it. I did enjoy the wonka preview for next week.

Isn't there some sort of end of the world theory made up to explain the numbers?

[fezident]

The numbers have to be explained better. As in why were they on the radio transmission and the dharma hatch. Numbering the candidates dosnt cut it. .

Exactly!
I feel this way too.
Whenever I mention the numbers, people often say "the numbers correspond to the characters. we know that now."
And my response is... okay... but... the hatch, the lotto numbers, the code every 108 minutes, the flight numbers, the numbers on the cave wall, etc etc. It all got reduced to a simple line a of dialog "Jacob has a thing for numbers."

It's cop out. And.. it raises more questions than it answers. For example, if these numbers represent the candidates, where the fuck is "number 1"??! That would seemingly be Jacob's first choice. And if they're not in order of importance, than... well... what order ARE they in? And... why the fuck are they appearing everywhere?


This show has really has me spinning. On one hand, I love it. On the other hand, I am endlessly frustrated. I feel like it's been soooo long since we watched Locke spend time with the pot-growing undercover cop.
Put simply, I've never been so enamored and confused by TV show.

[K.C.]

Isn't there some sort of end of the world theory made up to explain the numbers?

Yes. The Numbers are the core values of the Valenzetti Equation, which predicts the end of humanity in a number of ways.

Part of the DHARMA Initiative's mandate was to study and change the factors (which in the equation represent a number of human and environmental factors), thus potentially saving the world.

Of course, you'd know none of this from watching the show, because it's all derived from The LOST Experience.

Damon and Carlton pretty much said they refuse to explain them in-depth on the show, because it would alienate the audience that watches their show just for the character relationships and stories.

So there's no real chance of getting an explanation on the show, other than "Jacob had a thing for numbers" and that the Valenzetti numbers correspond with six of the castaways.

That said...

Given the doomsday nature being assigned to the MIB plan, and the fact that the candidates are the keys to whether or not he'll succeed or not, it's kind of safe to say that the environmental factors surrounding Locke (4), Hurley (8), James (15), Sayid (16), Jack (23) and Jin (or Sun) (42) and the decisions they ultimately make will determine the fate of everything.

So the island is sort of a real life case study of the Valenzetti Equation....they just won't invest the time to tie it all in for the TV viewer.

[dereckfishboy]

When the whispers happened before, the Others did not always show up. Hurley talked to most of the dead people off the island, where he wouldn't have heard whispers.

That aside, there is no doubt that in the first few seasons, the writers had the whispers 100% attached to the others, so inventing a forced explanation when their intent was very clearly different in the earlier episodes was a horrible move and they should have known better. It's that kinda shit that lends validity to every bitch that people make about the show being made up as they go along.

[Furtherman]

That aside, there is no doubt that in the first few seasons, the writers had the whispers 100% attached to the others, so inventing a forced explanation when their intent was very clearly different in the earlier episodes was a horrible move and they should have known better. It's that kinda shit that lends validity to every bitch that people make about the show being made up as they go along.

I've watched the series again and I'm afraid you've remembered wrong. Hugo, Sayid and Sawyer all heard whispers without Others showing up. It was Rousseau who said the whispers were The Others, but she turned out to be wrong.

[CurseoftheBambi]

the thing is ...Esau (my name for MIB) isn't in Locke's body...he's in his form but not his body...Locke's body is still on the beach...in the sun...probably smelly.

[Servo]

Did we ever learn how Shannon saw Walt after he was kidnapped?

[Furtherman]

the thing is ...Esau (my name for MIB) isn't in Locke's body...he's in his form but not his body...Locke's body is still on the beach...in the sun...probably smelly.

They buried his body.

[CurseoftheBambi]

that's good cause he would be stinking and ripe on the beach about now.:wink:

[CountryBob]

Did we ever learn how Shannon saw Walt after he was kidnapped?

Just watched that episode again last night (Season 2 - first episode) and I had the same question. Walt was soaking wet and was talking with H2o coming out of his mouth. But he was inland - must have fell in a puddle.

[King Imp]

Did we ever learn how Shannon saw Walt after he was kidnapped?

That will be one of those things that we'll probably never get an answer for because frankly I don't think the writers even have an explanation for that.

If it was MIB, or whoever it is that turns themself into an apparition of someone else, then why wouldn't it have picked Boone for her to see.

[KingGeno]

Jacob went out of his way not to touch Illana, hell he was even wearing gloves when he went to see her.

Perhaps the whispers from the past were either meant to be something else and evolved into dead people, or were the dead people on the island warning the "new: people of the incoming dangers of MIB, Smoke monster, others, etc.

Originally I thought it was going to end with Locke and Jack taking Jacob and MIB's place, but now I have no clue. Hurley looks like he is becoming the real good guy, Desmond looks like Jacob found a loophole and took over his body to get back on the island, Jack and Locke's staredown at the end of the episode was everything I've been waiting for a long time for. I can't wait to see them square off, Man of Science/Man of Faith.

And what of Juliette?

And I took the whole Libby in the nut house thing as the answer to why Libby in the "normal timeline" was in the nut house. I think the parallel timeline is how their lives should have been, their destinies found. But Libby was crazy in that timeline also cuz she was aware of both lines. And will Miles and Hurely's death talking abilities every be explained? Or am I being foggy right now.

I also think that by getting the "parallel timeline" losties to remember the "current timeline" that it will open the eyes of the current timeline people and allow them to fulfill their destiny in that timeline, given the circumstances they are in. It seem like all of the characters left still have some kind of hurt or pain or fear holding them back from their most potential. Perhaps that is why Desmond hit Locke with the car, cuz that is the MAJOR hit that he needed to be taken to awaken the John Locke deep down in the MIB Locke. I remember in one of the first few episodes of the season, the real John Locke showed through the MIB John Locke when the "little kid" running around the jungle mocked him, and he replied "Don't TELL ME WHAT I CAN AND CAN'T DO!". That right there is pure John Locke. It showed the MIB is not invincible.

[KingGeno]

That will be one of those things that we'll probably never get an answer for because frankly I don't think the writers even have an explanation for that.

If it was MIB, or whoever it is that turns themself into an apparition of someone else, then why wouldn't it have picked Boone for her to see.

I think in the end they will say "It was the MIB setting up a WHOLE lot of condition, and a whole lot of work, to getting himself to inhabit the Locke body".

[mikeyboy]

Hurley should have used that rush of memories from kissing Libby to get laid. When she asked him if he remembered, he should have said that he was starting to, but he might remember more if she took her shirt off.

[Willmore]

Hurley should have used that rush of memories from kissing Libby to get laid. When she asked him if he remembered, he should have said that he was starting to, but he might remember more if she took her shirt off.

Conning a crazy chick to have sex with him ... isn't that called "pulling an Earl".

[disneyspy]

Conning a crazy chick to have sex with him ... isn't that called "pulling an Earl".

oh willmore,you got hammersavaged during the show

[Serpico1103]

Conning a crazy chick to have sex with him ... isn't that called "pulling an Earl".
Only if the family threatens you when your stalking becomes a problem.

[EliSnow]

she's really got the crazy eyes thing down. i believe she could and would kill you in a heart beat. she said her father told her the people at the temple had her baby and her friend is the fake locke, was the ghost of jacks father just the man in black in his form ? it would explain why claire and christian were in jacobs cabin a dew seasons ago . claire could have broken the ashe ring around the cabin so "M I B" could get in. he's using claire like he used ben.

I'm rewatching the previous seasons and am watching The Man Behind The Curtain where Ben take Locke to the cabin to meet Jacob. Given things that we have learned since this ep (Ben later said he has never spoken to Jacob and Jacob lives in the base of the statue), I'm convinced that the cabin is not Jacob's cabin but rather MIB's cabin.

Ben lies throughout this episode (about being born on the island, about him being the only one who speaks to Jacob, about seeing Jacob in the cabin). So why would we believe him when he says its Jacob's cabin? I'm convinced that he brought Locke to the MIB to get Locke killed.

I apologize if other have reached the same conclusion.

[Dell]

Hurley should have used that rush of memories from kissing Libby to get laid. When she asked him if he remembered, he should have said that he was starting to, but he might remember more if she took her shirt off.

:laugh:...mikeyboy is a playah...

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I'm rewatching the previous seasons and am watching The Man Behind The Curtain where Ben take Locke to the cabin to meet Jacob. Given things that we have learned since this ep (Ben later said he has never spoken to Jacob and Jacob lives in the base of the statue), I'm convinced that the cabin is not Jacob's cabin but rather MIB's cabin.

Ben lies throughout this episode (about being born on the island, about him being the only one who speaks to Jacob, about seeing Jacob in the cabin). So why would we believe him when he says its Jacob's cabin? I'm convinced that he brought Locke to the MIB to get Locke killed.

I apologize if other have reached the same conclusion.

remember when the ajirah folks arrived and they said the smokes been disturbed? I wondered if instead of someone going there to keep the smoke out someone had gotten him in there and used the smoke to keep him in? thus the disturbed smoke meant he was able to get out.

explains why he would ask lock to help him.

[K.C.]

remember when the ajirah folks arrived and they said the smokes been disturbed? I wondered if instead of someone going there to keep the smoke out someone had gotten him in there and used the smoke to keep him in? thus the disturbed smoke meant he was able to get out.

explains why he would ask lock to help him.

Read my Eloise Hawking post.

Someone obviously freed the Smoke Monster at some point.

[TonyStark]

Interesting, that'd mean that the smoke monster isn't just a perk of being the thing that's inhabiting Locke, but actually it's own separate creature?

[TooLowBrow]

if jacob never tells people what to do, then the note in the guitar case was not from him. and thats what made sayid evil(er). and who else came back from certain death at the temple? ben.

i see the water in the temple as the tree in eden

those people were there to look after it and if they used its powers they could save lives and destroy souls

and jacob just has to sit there cause he doesnt tell people what to do

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I have no idea why i wrote the smokes been disturbed, i meant the ash.

i just hope they dont involve hurley in anymore reveals of island secrets..that whisper thing was very akward.

[TooLowBrow]

can anyone tell me the signifigance of richard coming to claim the 1 dead others body when the losties went back in time? did it have anything to do with dead people coming back?

[Willmore]

sort of a spoiler for next couple of episodes:

Death Is Coming: I hate to be the bearer of bad—no, make that gut-wrenching—news, but I would definitely keep the Kleenex box on standby for the next few episodes. I'm told that one of them is a game-changer, in which we will see some serious tragedy. As in, loss of life. As in, life that the fans truly, truly care about. I'm tearing up just thinking about it so...Get ready.




Now, I don't know about you, but just about the only 2 people that it would bum me out, if they died, are Penny and Desmond.

[Furtherman]

can anyone tell me the signifigance of richard coming to claim the 1 dead others body when the losties went back in time? did it have anything to do with dead people coming back?

I think it had something to do with the truce that they made with Dharma.


Final 'Lost' cast photo released (pics) (http://livefeed.hollywoodreporter.com/2010/04/final-lost-cast-photo-.html)

http://reporter.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83451d69069e201347ff52379970c-800wi

http://reporter.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83451d69069e201347ff523ae970c-800wi

The article states that there is a major character omitted from this final photo, which could be very telling. As is the fact that Ilana is still there.

[Aggie]

according to this: http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/04/19/season-finale-dates-confirmed/#more-7482

the LOST finale is on a SUNDAY!!! Make sure you don't miss it!

Lost: Sunday, May 23 @ 9 pm/ET (two hours)

[Furtherman]

according to this: http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/04/19/season-finale-dates-confirmed/#more-7482

the LOST finale is on a SUNDAY!!! Make sure you don't miss it!

Lost: Sunday, May 23 @ 9 pm/ET (two hours)

Oh yes, I'm planning on taking that Monday off.

[K.C.]

For next week's episode, of the 42 minutes or so of non-commercial show time, I really 39 of them are just one big Jack/Locke conversation.

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I think it had something to do with the truce that they made with Dharma.


Final 'Lost' cast photo released (pics) (http://livefeed.hollywoodreporter.com/2010/04/final-lost-cast-photo-.html)

http://reporter.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83451d69069e201347ff52379970c-800wi

http://reporter.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83451d69069e201347ff523ae970c-800wi

The article states that there is a major character omitted from this final photo, which could be very telling. As is the fact that Ilana is still there.

seems to me that jack had no comment like the rest of the cast?

[Furtherman]

seems to me that jack had no comment like the rest of the cast?

Fox has said he's done with TV after Lost.

Right.

[K.C.]

The article states that there is a major character omitted from this final photo, which could be very telling. As is the fact that Ilana is still there.

Desmond.

Meh....I wouldn't put much stock in it....they carried Charlotte through all the Season 5 cast photos even though she was dead after five episodes. He probably just wasn't available for the shoot.

Henry Ian Cusick has always had weird shooting schedules which is why he appears in so few episodes that aren't his centrics...I think he does a lot of theater in between shooting.

Besides, I'm pretty convinced everyone except Jack will die on the island before the end (not that they won't be on the show...that's what the Sideways is for).

[PD]

For next week's episode, of the 42 minutes or so of non-commercial show time, I really 39 of them are just one big Jack/Locke conversation.
FWIW, in the last podcast they said this won't be a single character centric episode.

I'm thinking we get a lot of movement this week.

[Doctor Manhattan]

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/2170/vlcsnap533353.png

I was watching last weeks episode and noticed this. Is there a reason that the face inside the chicken mascot head is blacked out? And why Hurley isn't in this shot while he was in the others with "Mr. Cluck"

It's probably nothing, just didn't have either actor there at the time I guess.

[Furtherman]

I see what 1st season show they're mirroring. Sun or Locke.

[Furtherman]

This is the first time we've heard Lapidus talk in about three episodes.

[IamFogHat]

That episode was AWESOME! Anyone else think tonally that was totally different in a good way?

[K.C.]

If Jack just got claimed, I'm going to be pissed...

[Furtherman]

That episode was AWESOME! Anyone else think tonally that was totally different in a good way?

Yes! Not sure where they're going, abd that is awesome too.

[underdog]

From the look of the "last 4 episodes" previews, locke is fucking pissed

[PD]

From the look of the "last 4 episodes" previews, locke is fucking pissed
well claire said he would be .

I was so annoyed that i have to wait a week now

[extracheese]

Nice article about the phenomenon of LOST

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/04/ff_lost/all/1

[Willmore]

When Locke was explaining to Jack that they all have to leave together, I got the distinct impression of him treating Jack like an equal, not the superior "supernatural" force he usually is. Is it possible that, in fact, Locke is the same thing as Jack and all the others Jacob touched? Could he be the first one, kind of like a Lucifer/fallen angel thing.

[Aggie]

told ya jack would be operating on locke!

also, seems like sieways sun recognized locke and was scared of him. did she have island memories from getting shot? she obviously thought he was smokey.

finally got the answer that smokey was posing as christian like we all suspected. and the jin/sun reunion...yay! sawyer looked like he was tearing up. altough the lapedius line was super cheesy.

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anyone else thinking jack had his flashback moment on the flight?

[PD]

anyone else thinking jack had his flashback moment on the flight?
I think Jack had some minor moments - like when he saw Desmond, but not THE moment.

[K.C.]

When Locke was explaining to Jack that they all have to leave together, I got the distinct impression of him treating Jack like an equal, not the superior "supernatural" force he usually is. Is it possible that, in fact, Locke is the same thing as Jack and all the others Jacob touched? Could he be the first one, kind of like a Lucifer/fallen angel thing.

It'd be an interesting twist, but doesn't really explain the whole Smoke Monster-ness aspect of it.

[CurseoftheBambi]

sorry if this was said already...but i think Desmond ran over John just to bring him and Locke together. Otherwise he would have killed him if that wasthe point.

[underdog]

It'd be an interesting twist, but doesn't really explain the whole Smoke Monster-ness aspect of it.

Maybe he's been on the island so long he's learned to harness all the powers.

sorry if this was said already...but i think Desmond ran over John just to bring him and Locke together. Otherwise he would have killed him if that wasthe point.

Yes.

[K.C.]

Maybe he's been on the island so long he's learned to harness all the powers.


It's more likely that it's something like Jacob and MIB are parts of the same being, and that Jacob purged the malevolence from his being, hence the disembodied smoke form.

It would explain the "he stole my body" comment from earlier this season.

[K.C.]

http://www.cracked.com/article_18490_the-7-most-soul-crushing-series-finales-in-tv-history_p1.html

Lost will be vaulting to the head of that list...

[underdog]

I JUST FOUND OUT THERE IS NO LOST NEXT TUESDAY. THIS IS THE WORST THING THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED.

I wish I had waited to catch up until the final episode. It's taking me longer to watch the last 7 episodes of the series than it did for the rest of the show.

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sorry if this was said already...but i think Desmond ran over John just to bring him and Locke together. Otherwise he would have killed him if that wasthe point.

i guess you mean locke and jack?

[HBox]

http://www.cracked.com/article_18490_the-7-most-soul-crushing-series-finales-in-tv-history_p1.html

Lost will be vaulting to the head of that list...

How the hell is Dinosaurs only six? The rest of those finales are like a leisurely walk in the park compared to that one.

[fezident]

Anyone got time for a silly question?

Who the fuck are all these other people? When they are all walking in a long line... through the jungle... going from place to place.... there's like 20 fuckin' people. Who the hell are they? And why are they all wearing wacky brown clothes? And they never seem to talk. They always just kinda stand there. They walk several miles to get to a boat... they get to the dock,...the boat is gone... and none of them say a single word. Hell... they don't react at all.

I asked this once before, a few seasons ago, when they all walked single file to get to the radio tower to unjam the signal. They walk aaaaall the way there... unjam the signal... the skinny black chick with the accent is jussst about to radio for help.... and Locke throws a fuckin' hatchet in her back. She died instantly. Not one person so much as gasped. (except for Jack. He went apeshit.)

I've kinda lost the plot here. Are they survivors of the crash? Are they Others? Are they Dharma employees who used to live in the houses and have book-clubs? I'm all fucked up.

[dereckfishboy]

Hey, how come the BIGGEST aspect of the character of Miles (The ability to hear the last Earthly thoughts of the dead) only seems to apply to island Miles? I know they haven't put sideways Miles in any positions where it would even come up on the show, but so fr he's depicted as a regular cop. You'd think a cop with the ability to pick up thoughts from the dead would be some kind of super-cop, to the point where it'd even come up. How would a cop who deals with murderers AND hear the final thoughts of the dead NOT be noted as the ultimate homicide detective even in the few casual scenes he was in? Does this Miles not talk to the dead? My theory is either this is just an oversight due to shitty hurried writing, or that Island Miles has been hears the thoughts of the living sideways counterparts and not dead souls. Which would explain why he doesn't comprehend or relate to Hurley's ability to speak to the dead. Which would also explain why Juliet would tell him "It worked". I've been drinking, so I might be blowing smoke (hehe).

[dereckfishboy]

Anyone got time for a silly question?

Who the fuck are all these other people? When they are all walking in a long line... through the jungle... going from place to place.... there's like 20 fuckin' people. Who the hell are they? And why are they all wearing wacky brown clothes? And they never seem to talk. They always just kinda stand there. They walk several miles to get to a boat... they get to the dock,...the boat is gone... and none of them say a single word. Hell... they don't react at all.

I asked this once before, a few seasons ago, when they all walked single file to get to the radio tower to unjam the signal. They walk aaaaall the way there... unjam the signal... the skinny black chick with the accent is jussst about to radio for help.... and Locke throws a fuckin' hatchet in her back. She died instantly. Not one person so much as gasped. (except for Jack. He went apeshit.)

I've kinda lost the plot here. Are they survivors of the crash? Are they Others? Are they Dharma employees who used to live in the houses and have book-clubs? I'm all fucked up.

Near as I can tell, (from the the presence of the flight attendant from the original Oceanic flight and few lines of dialogue I picked up) the people in line, who were the defectors from the temple, consist primarily of survivors of the tail end of the crash of Oceanic 815 who were scooped up by the "temple others".

[K.C.]

Anyone got time for a silly question?

Who the fuck are all these other people? When they are all walking in a long line... through the jungle... going from place to place.... there's like 20 fuckin' people. Who the hell are they? And why are they all wearing wacky brown clothes? And they never seem to talk. They always just kinda stand there. They walk several miles to get to a boat... they get to the dock,...the boat is gone... and none of them say a single word. Hell... they don't react at all.

I asked this once before, a few seasons ago, when they all walked single file to get to the radio tower to unjam the signal. They walk aaaaall the way there... unjam the signal... the skinny black chick with the accent is jussst about to radio for help.... and Locke throws a fuckin' hatchet in her back. She died instantly. Not one person so much as gasped. (except for Jack. He went apeshit.)

I've kinda lost the plot here. Are they survivors of the crash? Are they Others? Are they Dharma employees who used to live in the houses and have book-clubs? I'm all fucked up.

The people that you see now with Locke, some are Others, and some are the Tailies that were kidnapped in the first couple days of "The Other 48 Days" episode, but there's no one really of note, other than Cindy (stewardess from 815) and the two kids (Zack and Emma) who have popped up here and there in episodes.

In the Radio Tower scene, those people were mostly survivors from the crash. They said originally 48 people survived the crash in the fuselage section...we were probably introduced to maybe half of them in the course of the show.

All of those extras are dead now, though. A bunch got killed when Keamy stormed Locke's camp in Season 4, a bunch got killed in the flaming arrow raid at the beginning of Season 5, and several got killed when the freighter blew up.

[K.C.]

Hey, how come the BIGGEST aspect of the character of Miles (The ability to hear the last Earthly thoughts of the dead) only seems to apply to island Miles? I know they haven't put sideways Miles in any positions where it would even come up on the show, but so fr he's depicted as a regular cop. You'd think a cop with the ability to pick up thoughts from the dead would be some kind of super-cop, to the point where it'd even come up. How would a cop who deals with murderers AND hear the final thoughts of the dead NOT be noted as the ultimate homicide detective even in the few casual scenes he was in? Does this Miles not talk to the dead? My theory is either this is just an oversight due to shitty hurried writing, or that Island Miles has been hears the thoughts of the living sideways counterparts and not dead souls. Which would explain why he doesn't comprehend or relate to Hurley's ability to speak to the dead. Which would also explain why Juliet would tell him "It worked". I've been drinking, so I might be blowing smoke (hehe).

Part of the problem is that we don't know what the Sideways world is, or what caused it to exist (there's a lot of things in the season that suggest it's not an offshoot of the Jughead detonation, and therefore everything that happens in Island and Sideways is exactly the same up until that point).

So until we get that answer, it's hard to pinpoint why the differences exist.

You could assume that since Miles' abilities always seemed to be linked to him either being born on the island, or being on the island during the Incident, it's probably fair to say that he didn't have the same experience with the island (if any) in the Sideways.

[CurseoftheBambi]

http://www.wired.com/magazine/wp-content/images/18-05/ff_lost11_all_f.jpg

[underdog]

Jack jumping into the water to save everyone = Sawyer jumping into the water to save everyone on the helicopter.

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its odd that we havent seen eloise on the island timeline.

[Furtherman]

its odd that we havent seen eloise on the island timeline.

How would we? She's not on the island.

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Oh, they cant show anyone off island? Oh wait, let me tell the other five seasons that.

[Furtherman]

Oh, they cant show anyone off island? Oh wait, let me tell the other five seasons that.

They haven't shown anyone off the island in this current timeline.

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And that means what exactly? They cant?

My bad.

[K.C.]

Jack jumping into the water to save everyone = Sawyer jumping into the water to save everyone on the helicopter.

I don't think Jack jumping in is going to save everyone.

In fact, I think most of those people who went over to the Hydra are going to be dead fairly soon.

Smokey's coming to kill, Widmore doesn't care about them, Richard, Miles and Ben are about to blow shit up.....casualties are about to ensue.

[disneyspy]

Oh, they cant show anyone off island? Oh wait, let me tell the other five seasons that.

they did show eloise-when she was trying to keep desmond from meeting penny but further is right,shes not on the island but they have shown her

[disneyspy]

I don't think Jack jumping in is going to save everyone.

In fact, I think most of those people who went over to the Hydra are going to be dead fairly soon.

Smokey's coming to kill, Widmore doesn't care about them, Richard, Miles and Ben are about to blow shit up.....casualties are about to ensue.

i dont know,i kinda think undie is right,i think everyone on that sailboat will make it off the island alive and jin bites the dust (again)

[mikeyboy]

And that means what exactly? They cant?

My bad.

Why would they? All season they've shown only the island in one timeline and the off-island world (more specifically, L.A.) in the alternate timeline. Each season has it's own pretty well defined set of rules for the narrative. Why would they deviate from that now?

[underdog]

I don't think Jack jumping in is going to save everyone.

In fact, I think most of those people who went over to the Hydra are going to be dead fairly soon.

Smokey's coming to kill, Widmore doesn't care about them, Richard, Miles and Ben are about to blow shit up.....casualties are about to ensue.

I meant in a larger sense. Jack is going to save the world by not letting MIB off the island. Him jumping off the boat was saving everyone.

[K.C.]

I meant in a larger sense. Jack is going to save the world by not letting MIB off the island. Him jumping off the boat was saving everyone.

I thought it was more a mirror of this (especially since Sawyer uses the line)

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[IamFogHat]

I have a question because I can't remember, did Radzinzky die in the incident or did Kelvin's story about him shooting himself in the hatch come to fruition?

[K.C.]

I have a question because I can't remember, did Radzinzky die in the incident or did Kelvin's story about him shooting himself in the hatch come to fruition?

If everyone's telling the truth, Radzinsky blew his brains out years later in the Swan hatch (and then Kelvin is accidentally killed by Desmond years later).

Because we never really found out what Kelvin's deal was, it's hard to tell.

DHARMA was long gone by the time Desmond came to the island so it's kind of counter-intuitive to think that The Others would leave the Swan hatch in the hands of a lone DHARMA guy when it is capable of such destruction.

If Kelvin was an Other, than there's little to no chance he'd be partnered with Radzinsky, meaning that he lied about that story....but then again, Kelvin was trying to escape the island on Desmond's boat before he died, suggesting he may not have been an Other.

I tend to think Radzinsky was in charge of the Swan during the purge and got murdered in there, so the story is half true.

[disneyspy]

If everyone's telling the truth, Radzinsky blew his brains out years later in the Swan hatch (and then Kelvin is accidentally killed by Desmond years later).

Because we never really found out what Kelvin's deal was, it's hard to tell.

DHARMA was long gone by the time Desmond came to the island so it's kind of counter-intuitive to think that The Others would leave the Swan hatch in the hands of a lone DHARMA guy when it is capable of such destruction.

If Kelvin was an Other, than there's little to no chance he'd be partnered with Radzinsky, meaning that he lied about that story....but then again, Kelvin was trying to escape the island on Desmond's boat before he died, suggesting he may not have been an Other.

I tend to think Radzinsky was in charge of the Swan during the purge and got murdered in there, so the story is half true.

i always thought that radzinski was the one that thought the air was poisoned (the purge) and insisted on the sign that said hazardous or whatever is said like he was in the swan when the gas went off. since kelvin was in iraq during the first bush administration he didnt get to the island til around 93 to 95 plenty of time for radizinski to have gone nuts from being in there by himself (since 74?)

[Dan 'Hampton]

I'm apparently the only person who didn't like this weeks episode. Pleading last 4 don't crazily disappiont.

[underdog]

I thought it was more a mirror of this (especially since Sawyer uses the line)

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It's of course the obvious answer, but that clip just solidified the idea to me that Jack is the new Jacob.

[instrument]

they did show eloise-when she was trying to keep desmond from meeting penny but further is right,shes not on the island but they have shown her

yes, that was on the other timeline...please follow along.

and the rationale that "they haven't so they won't" is absurd, her knowledge of desmonds future in past episodes, and her being aware of the other timeline on the sideways timeline seems to point to her as having a far larger role then any of us are aware.

its like the entire other timeline was created simply for her to have her son back...(another biblical slant?)

[razorboy]

I kind of quit paying attention because I had a lot of contracts that I had to fufill. Is Desmond basically Jacob at this point?

[dereckfishboy]

its odd that we havent seen eloise on the island timeline.

Island timeline, Season 5.

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[instrument]

Island timeline, Season 5.

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you must be in the wrong thread. i think last seasons thread is a few pages over.

[disneyspy]

yes, that was on the other timeline...please follow along.

and the rationale that "they haven't so they won't" is absurd, her knowledge of desmonds future in past episodes, and her being aware of the other timeline on the sideways timeline seems to point to her as having a far larger role then any of us are aware.

its like the entire other timeline was created simply for her to have her son back...(another biblical slant?)

you cant follow along,heres something for you to consider,when the passenger manifest is read for the second plane going down(ajira) and the names of the oceianic 6 pop up,will people start to think that the oceanic 6 are actually terrorists? and when their trials are being held will anyone believe them? where's your sideways eloise now?

[TooLowBrow]

If everyone's telling the truth, Radzinsky blew his brains out years later in the Swan hatch (and then Kelvin is accidentally killed by Desmond years later).

Because we never really found out what Kelvin's deal was, it's hard to tell.

DHARMA was long gone by the time Desmond came to the island so it's kind of counter-intuitive to think that The Others would leave the Swan hatch in the hands of a lone DHARMA guy when it is capable of such destruction.

If Kelvin was an Other, than there's little to no chance he'd be partnered with Radzinsky, meaning that he lied about that story....but then again, Kelvin was trying to escape the island on Desmond's boat before he died, suggesting he may not have been an Other.

I tend to think Radzinsky was in charge of the Swan during the purge and got murdered in there, so the story is half true.

wouldnt he have been safe in there during the purge?

[K.C.]

wouldnt he have been safe in there during the purge?

Yes, but my problem with that whole story is that The Others knew about the Swan hatch and you see evidence of that they effectively took over every other DHARMA hatch but the Swan:


-The Tailies find Mikhail's glass eye in the Arrow ("The Other 48 Days")

-Ethan kidnaps Claire, takes her to the Staff, and treats and holds her there, also the Others store their fake indigenous people costumes there ("Maternity Leave")

-The Others set up barracks and a working office on the Hydra (most of early Season 3)

-Mikhail and Ms. Klugh are running the Flame station when Kate, Sayid and Locke come upon it ("Enter 77")

-Ben and Juliet spy on Jack in the Swan station from the Pearl station ("Expose")

-Bonnie and Greta operate the jamming equipment preventing transmissions from the island in the Looking Glass station ("Through The Looking Glass")

-Goodwin works a shift at the Tempest either making poisonous gas, or managing the island power supply (that was never entirely clear) ("The Other Woman")

-Ben signals Richard to meet up at the Orchid to confront Keamy's group; also, Ben has advanced knowledge of the Frozen Donkey Wheel and how to access its chamber ("There's No Place Like Home")

So it's obvious they knew about and took over all these places...why would they leave the Swan which is possibly the most dangerous station because failure to push the button could have a catastrophic electromagnetic results in the hands of an ex-DHARMA guy who wanted to kill all the Hostiles?

Also, Ben knew the code to push the button when he was prisoner in the Swan.

So it seems the Radzinsky story was a lie, or at least a half-lie, similar to when Mikhail told the DHARMA story to Sayid....the story was correct, but he was lying about being the last member of the DHARMA initiative.

I'm sure Radzinsky live in the hatch and made the blast door map, but at some point probably around the Purge, they would have probably killed him.

[disneyspy]

KC-one hole in your reasoning,we know desmond wasn't dharma or an other,yet he was allowed to push the button,so tlb has a point

[underdog]

KC-one hole in your reasoning,we know desmond wasn't dharma or an other,yet he was allowed to push the button,so tlb has a point

Maybe the others just realized how tedious it was, so they kept that place running under "Dharma".

[disneyspy]

Maybe the others just realized how tedious it was, so they kept that place running under "Dharma".

or maybe you suck

[K.C.]

KC-one hole in your reasoning,we know desmond wasn't dharma or an other,yet he was allowed to push the button,so tlb has a point

The day Desmond kills Kelvin is the day Oceanic 815 crashes because he forgets to push the button.

Ben and Juliet make some type of reference to Tom doing using the Pearl Station during the Expose episode, so he could have been presumably spying on the hatch from the Pearl to make sure nothing catastrophic was about to happen and someone was pushing the button.

[disneyspy]

The day Desmond kills Kelvin is the day Oceanic 815 crashes because he forgets to push the button.

Ben and Juliet make some type of reference to Tom doing using the Pearl Station during the Expose episode, so he could have been presumably spying on the hatch from the Pearl to make sure nothing catastrophic was about to happen and someone was pushing the button.

ya but spyin and actually controlling are pretty big differences

[disneyspy]

LOST LIVE: The Final Celebration

Oscar® winning composer Michael Giacchino will conduct a live orchestral performance, featuring the iconic music of "LOST," at UCLA's Royce Hall in Los Angeles, CA on Thursday, May 13, to celebrate the upcoming series finale. The concert will also feature appearances by LOST cast members, including Nestor Carbonell, Michael Emerson, and Jorge Garcia. In addition, a special preview of the penultimate episode will be screened immediately after the concert.

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LOST: THE SERIES FINALE EVENT
SUNDAY MAY 23 7|6c on ABC

[Rawkus]

i'm at school and watch lost with my roommate when its on. It's too bad he's an idiot that misses every little point and cool thing that happens.

The show is definately better to watch with someone that says "oh shit" and the same parts cause they actually know whats going on.

[Adolf]

next ep - the candidate. i heard it's a frank ep a long time ago.. not sure if that works. the 'candidate' is clearly jack.. this ep will also set up the big war next week. widmore: "he's coming"

5/4 - across the sea. the 'war' between widmore and locke. a few main characters will die i'm sure

5/11 - what they died for. the setup for the end........ can't believe it's over. no clue where it's at at this point........... the war will turn the page to a whole wrap-up/moral of the story

5/23 THE END pts 1 & 2. if i expect it to the best ever i'll probably be disappointed. so i'm personally expecting a partial let down.......... but i'm sure it'll be a big night.


then i'm gonna watch the whole thing all over again



thanks for reading my blog

[Furtherman]

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[K.C.]

I bought Via Domus for like $12 on Amazon a couple days ago and just got it in the mail and played through part of it today.

It got pretty bad reviews when it came out a few years back (I think it was released during or after Season 3).

Maybe if I had paid $40 or $50 for it, I'd be pissed, but I more or less was just mildly disappointed.

The good:
-concept is decent (a previously unexplored 815 survivor who runs through their own storyline while the island storyline is going on).
-the interweaving of the flashbacks are done fairly well.
-the visuals are solid.

The bad:
-The voice acting is horrendous (especially on Locke and Sawyer who sound nothing like Terry O'Quinn or Josh Holloway).
-There's not a ton of action in it or stuff to do.
-Navigating the jungle is way confusing.
-Areas where Smokey is present take forever because the thing attacks every two seconds so you have to continually hide.
-It's really short and there's not a lot of different areas to explore.
-They don't use any of the actual LOST music...it's generic knock off music.


All that said, I get the feeling that a kickass Lost game could be made if the time was put into it, especially now that the series is wrapping up, they just need to put the time into it.

It should be fairly open-ended and large too. A lot of freedom to explore.

[instrument]

wonder what rose and bernard are doing.

[Fallon]

wonder what rose and bernard are doing.

Fuckin' n' suckin'!

[Adolf]

yeah that via domus game isn't all that great, but it is cool to dick around in the lost world. the best part was the hatch. i think i beat it the first time in 6 hours.. as bad as it is i still play it every few months or whatever.........

i heard there's another one planned, hopefully it'll be a lot better

[disneyspy]

Fuckin' n' suckin'!

i hope he doesnt get her knocked up!

[Furtherman]

wonder what rose and bernard are doing.

I hope we see them again.

[disneyspy]

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[disneyspy]

oh shit

[Dan 'Hampton]

I can't believe this is the same show as last season. Aside from Desmond episode it's been an epic turd. Depressing.

[disneyspy]

I can't believe this is the same show as last season. Aside from Desmond episode it's been an epic turd. Depressing.

are you kidding me? this has been a great season and it keeps building every episode

[IamFogHat]

I'm enjoying the episode but the writing tonight is hideous. It's the classic 'show us don't tell us' fail.

[Dan 'Hampton]

I don't get any tension with it anymore. The dialogue sounds like I wrote it. Me and wife are still holding out that the ending will be good.

[extracheese]

jack just bought an APOLLO bar from the candy machine.

Medicine and healing were associated with Apollo, whether through the god himself or mediated through his son Asclepius, yet Apollo was also seen as a god who could bring ill-health and deadly plague as well as one who had the ability to cure.

[hammersavage]

I don't get any tension with it anymore. The dialogue sounds like I wrote it. Me and wife are still holding out that the ending will be good.



Completely. No tension, every reveal is so obvious to begin with or has no impact once it is. Just wrap the fuck up already

[IamFogHat]

Kate!!!!!!!!!

[disneyspy]

fuckin locke cant blow up the sub twice can he?

[Dan 'Hampton]

If Kate dies I take it all back.

[IamFogHat]

Fuck, that was a good plan. It worked perfectly. Goddammit, every time I question them...

[disneyspy]

torpedo that fucker

[IamFogHat]

Poop is in the pants.

[IamFogHat]

Oh my god the wheels are falling off the car, I can't take all this!!!!

[Brad_Rush]

and boom goes half the cast

[IamFogHat]

Oh no, oh no, Foggy's gonna get emotional...

[Dan 'Hampton]

Swing away Jin.

[disneyspy]

the salt water is making jin squint

[IamFogHat]

The Abyss homage for sure, right?

[HBox]

This has been a great episode and all but, yeah, that's not how a bomb on a sub would go down.

[extracheese]

dammit jin, where is that adrenaline rush that enables men to move trucks when in a panic??

awwwwwwww..nooooooooooooooo....

THAT IS TRUE LOVE....

[Dan 'Hampton]

I think Kate will survive now. Dammit.

[IamFogHat]

Fuck man, three major character deaths in one episode. Does this rival the Anna Lucia/Libby moment?

[extracheese]

where is richard?


this is worse than ana lucia/libby...we have been invested in this love story for 5 yrs

[disneyspy]

Fuck man, three major character deaths in one episode. Does this rival the Anna Lucia/Libby moment?

its the biggest

[Dan 'Hampton]

Sayeed doesn't count.

[IamFogHat]

Sayeed doesn't count.

Ok racist.

[disneyspy]

ha lockes suicide note said I WISH YOU BELIEVED ME

[disneyspy]

oh shit

[extracheese]

5/11
5/18
5/23 (2 hrs finale)

[Adolf]

best ep in a long time


that was great

[booster11373]

All that time apart then put them together to kill them ..............Im sad

[K.C.]

Discussion Question #1 - If Sawyer doesn't pull the plug on the battery, is Jack right....does nothing happen because MIB can't kill them.

Discussion Question #2 - What the FUCK was with Sayid's last words....something like "Find Desmond, he's in a well, you'll need him....it's going to be you Jack" Obviously he's referring to Jack being the Candidate, but what does that mean about Sayid in general and how we've been viewing him for most of the season (also, is this the vindication of Jacob telling Hurley to take Sayid to the Temple?)

Discussion Question #3 - Sooo....is Frank dead?

Discussion Question #4 - Sooo....does this render the entire Richard storyline pretty much useless, and when will those three show up?


All in all, that was an appropriately gutting episode. I'm glad Jack's close to reaching his full enlightenment, but man, the body count is ridiculous.

[disneyspy]

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[booster11373]

Discussion Question #1 - If Sawyer doesn't pull the plug on the battery, is Jack right....does nothing happen because MIB can't kill them.

Discussion Question #2 - What the FUCK was with Sayid's last words....something like "Find Desmond, he's in a well, you'll need him....it's going to be you Jack" Obviously he's referring to Jack being the Candidate, but what does that mean about Sayid in general and how we've been viewing him for most of the season (also, is this the vindication of Jacob telling Hurley to take Sayid to the Temple?)

Discussion Question #3 - Sooo....is Frank dead?

Discussion Question #4 - Sooo....does this render the entire Richard storyline pretty much useless, and when will those three show up?


All in all, that was an appropriately gutting episode. I'm glad Jack's close to reaching his full enlightenment, but man, the body count is ridiculous.

For now I think the TV/Movie rule "if you dont see the body they aint dead" should apply at least for Frank

[mikeyboy]

For now I think the TV/Movie rule "if you dont see the body they aint dead" should apply at least for Frank

I think that's right. Just like we all knew Desmond was alive, even after Sayid told Locke he killed him.

[disneyspy]

i'm waiting for richard,desmond,miles and ben to show and do some ass kicking

[TheGameHHH]

Discussion Question #1 - If Sawyer doesn't pull the plug on the battery, is Jack right....does nothing happen because MIB can't kill them.

Discussion Question #2 - What the FUCK was with Sayid's last words....something like "Find Desmond, he's in a well, you'll need him....it's going to be you Jack" Obviously he's referring to Jack being the Candidate, but what does that mean about Sayid in general and how we've been viewing him for most of the season (also, is this the vindication of Jacob telling Hurley to take Sayid to the Temple?)

Discussion Question #3 - Sooo....is Frank dead?

Discussion Question #4 - Sooo....does this render the entire Richard storyline pretty much useless, and when will those three show up?


All in all, that was an appropriately gutting episode. I'm glad Jack's close to reaching his full enlightenment, but man, the body count is ridiculous.

def the most intriguing question for me, it was the first thing of I thought of when he took off with the bomb. its got to mean we were all pretty much dead wrong on what Sayid was. it appears Jack is the one, and that was pretty much drilled home for me when Locke rolled away from him at the hospital.

[Furtherman]

Amazing, heart wrenching and shocking episode! What the hell will happen next? I have no idea where it's going, although I think my theory of everyone in sideways will end up at Locke's wedding in the church where the lamp post was and they'll all get back to the island somehow... Maybe, but I figure most of the main characters will in the finale. I was also waiting for a Frank revelation, so I hope he's still alive.

[Furtherman]

And yea, what I thought was going on with Sayid? Nothing. Keeping me guessing, and I love it.

[Adolf]

hot off the press.......... http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2010/05/breaking-news-lost-series-finale.html

the finale will now be 2 and a half hours long :thumbup:

[underdog]

That sub scene was some of the cheesiest shit I've ever seen. Looked like it belonged on SyFy.

I love this show and I really like this season, but that episode was horrendous. I can't believe that was one of the last shows.

[PD]

Discussion Question #1 - If Sawyer doesn't pull the plug on the battery, is Jack right....does nothing happen because MIB can't kill them.

Discussion Question #2 - What the FUCK was with Sayid's last words....something like "Find Desmond, he's in a well, you'll need him....it's going to be you Jack" Obviously he's referring to Jack being the Candidate, but what does that mean about Sayid in general and how we've been viewing him for most of the season (also, is this the vindication of Jacob telling Hurley to take Sayid to the Temple?)

Discussion Question #3 - Sooo....is Frank dead?

Discussion Question #4 - Sooo....does this render the entire Richard storyline pretty much useless, and when will those three show up?


All in all, that was an appropriately gutting episode. I'm glad Jack's close to reaching his full enlightenment, but man, the body count is ridiculous.

1- I think so. it seems as Jack said, there are rules and the candidates can't die by his hand.
2 - yes, it seems that Sayid was vindicated as being needed.
3_ I think Frank dead. it is possible but I don't think we will see him again- he took that shot to the chest, under water, and didn't get any oxygen to escape.

Did Sideways Bernard know more than he showed? I'm not sure why i got that feeling.
Claire was left behind, AGAIN - what will that mean?

I kind of get the feeling that we wont get an answer to the importance (or not) of Walt and Aaron.

I very much enjoyed this episode

[mikeyboy]

When are Nikki and Paulo coming back?

[underdog]

When are Nikki and Paulo coming back?

I'm sure they're going to dig themselves out of their graves sometime in the next two episodes.

[Furtherman]

That sub scene was some of the cheesiest shit I've ever seen. Looked like it belonged on SyFy.

I love this show and I really like this season, but that episode was horrendous. I can't believe that was one of the last shows.

4 characters in one swipe.. I thought that was ballsy... And the sub scene was intense, unless you're talking about the visual effects of the sub, yea, that has always been bad, but the character's story was a shock. There will probably be more deaths. Jack will live, I'm think Kate might. Would they kill Hurley? I can't see that... My guess is Sawyer is next, of the 815 survivors.

Awesome seeing Bernard again, and yea, he might know something, or all the 815ers are realizing more and more.

[mikeyboy]

Who's going to die in the next episode? My picks are Miles, Claire and Richard.

[Crippler]

Claire was left behind, AGAIN - what will that mean?

Well assuming people are right with the guess that MIB/Locke can't kill the candidates himself, then he'll need someone who's pissed enough to do it for him. I would say she's sufficiently ticked after being left behind.

[Adolf]

richard.. i doubt it. same with claire. but yeah miles.... what was the point of him at all? he was the guy that could communicate with dead people, but so can hurley - so why did miles exist at all? besides the obvious scenes he did... ie juliette's grave, etc

i bet kate dies

i doubt hurley dies... he's too lovable to kill, but thatd be the twist i guess if he does

i doubt sawyer dies too... way too much involvement to die from a simple concussion, or anything else until he does something huge

no more sayid - odd. no more sun n jin..... that was kind of rough. sad. and yeah, to wait that long for the reunion just to have them die the next ep. kooky

did frank actually die? good question. his whole role this season was to show that it was possible to fly a plane out... now that doesnt seem to matter, so i guess he's worthless/dead?

is ben worthless now too? its weird that he used to be *the man* and now he's a pussyboy that seems like a spectator to the shit he thought he knew everything about. i hope his role is bigger than that, i'm a big ben fan.

next week will feature jacob/mib... and that kid in the woods thing, according to the preview. and locke is off to kill jack/kate/sawyer/hurley... cant wait, this season is finally getting crazy









don't forget that the island sinks





i wasnt a big fan of season 5, and this one isnt the best either.. but its still the best show ever. besides the twilight zone :wink:

[Adolf]

Well assuming people are right with the guess that MIB/Locke can't kill the candidates himself, then he'll need someone who's pissed enough to do it for him. I would say she's sufficiently ticked after being left behind.

good call

[disneyspy]

When are Nikki and Paulo coming back?

sounds like evangeline lilly's oscars going to get LOST in a fed ex box

aghhee ghe ghe

[mikeyboy]

next week will feature jacob/mib... and that kid in the woods thing, according to the preview. and locke is off to kill jack/kate/sawyer/hurley... cant wait, this season is finally getting crazy


Don't be so certain based on the preview. I believe everything they showed was footage we've seen before.

[disneyspy]

Don't be so certain based on the preview. I believe everything they showed was footage we've seen before.

i wonder if that was locke that was shooting at sawyer's canoe during the island skipping and if thats going to happen next,it might throw locke off

[realmenhatelife]

Richard will definately die, although I'd assume that would happen in the finale. From a story telling perspective theres no way to really close his arc with any satisfaction and leave him alive. It's not like it would be fulfilling for him to move to LA and get a job,

[Furtherman]

i wonder if that was locke that was shooting at sawyer's canoe during the island skipping and if thats going to happen next,it might throw locke off

Someone on that canoe, that we did not see, was shot... I think by Sawyer. This would require some more time travel.


Who's going to die in the next episode? My picks are Miles, Claire and Richard.

I'm picking Sawyer.

And if there is more skipping through time, wouldn't it be something if Sawyer shoots himself?

[mikeyboy]

And if there is more skipping through time, wouldn't it be something if Sawyer shoots himself?

That might be difficult to shoot and make sense to the less rabid viewer.

[Furtherman]

That might be difficult to shoot and make sense to the less rabid viewer.

Is there anyone else at this point?

[mikeyboy]

Is there anyone else at this point?

No. I'm just saying that resolving that plot point will be difficult to do and still make sense to the average viewer who may not remember that bit from last season.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Don't be so certain based on the preview. I believe everything they showed was footage we've seen before.

They show MIB and Jacob playing some kind of board game, that is new footage.

I think that's right. Just like we all knew Desmond was alive, even after Sayid told Locke he killed him.

I really wouldn't think they would kill Desmond off camera like that.Fuck man, three major character deaths in one episode. Does this rival the Anna Lucia/Libby moment?That kills those two DUI bitches deaths, They have never* killed off more than 1 original major character in a single episode episode, Anna Lucia and Libby are only major in the 2nd season and died before the season ended. If you look at the real major characters; The original main 815 survivors (no background people including Nikki and Paulo), Richard, Desmond, Ben, Jacob and MIB. Any that died did so one at a time.

I guess you could argue that Sayid actually died in LA X and Juliet died in that same episode, so that would almost tie last night (since Sayid already dies, it was just Sun and Jin)

*if I am wrong please let me know.

[underdog]

If there was a hole in the end or the bottom of the sub, why was it raining in the sub?

[Furtherman]

If there was a hole in the end or the bottom of the sub, why was it raining in the sub?

The hull was damaged and water was coming through breaches.