how can the 'christian right' get it SO wrong??

[Justice4all]

Ok...so I'm on the ferry going over the jamestown river (or whatever it's called) in VA going to Williamsburg with my GF. We are standing on the oberservation deck with some other passengers when we look down and see a scene unfolding right underneath us.

There were two vehicles, one was a older model Ford 4x4 (like an explorer) and to it's right was a mini van. In the 4x4 was a skinny younger black guy playing hip hop...in the mini van...a family of an older man with grey hair and beard and his frumpy wife, middle aged, not in great shape but not fat, and looking...well....plain and frumpy. Nothing outstanding about her.

WE watched as the older man attempted to yell at the kid in the 4x4 to get him to lower the music (we thought). Then the wife gets out of the car and proceeds to start yelling and chastizing this kid for playing 'bad music'. we knew she wasn't asking him to simply 'lower the music' when she stood there for well over 4 minutes, some of it with her head in his passenger side window, then grabbing a pamphlet about...I am not kidding you...Jesus...and THROWS the thing into his car demanding he read it. (we could tell what it was about because we had a clear view of the driver seat of the 4x4.)

Well the kid lowered it, but was still playing the music. Well the lady got out of the car AGAIN and TOLD him to shut the music off because "you are playing bad music and I don't think it should be played and I don't want my child in my car to hear that music at all"
Mind you this guy did lower the music and they were sitting there with the driver side window down.

Well me, jane and the guy next to me had heard enough from this over-bearing bully. And we yelled down to her from up top.
The guy to my left was telling her to get back in the car, she was going overboard with her request.
Jane told her that she should raise the window if she doesn't want to hear the music, she was going too far.
She then told US that she had every right to demand that guy shut his music off with no effort from her to try to do something on her end to keep from hearing the music.
Well I heard enough and told her she had NO right to demand anyone do anything she wanted, and to raise up her window if she doesn't want to hear the music at that point. People don't have to do anything they don't want to and she needs to go and re-read the 1st amendment.

She told me "excuse me! Don't tell me what to do"
My reply?
"Well when YOU stop telling that guy what to do...I'll stop telling YOU what to do? So stop your crap and get back in your car. (mind you the other two were also adding their comments also)
The husband? Never said a word or looked up (smart man)
the kid in the 4x4? Looked up at us and smiled. Guess he was happy someone was in his corner.


I mean would any one of you say something too? or do you agree with the demand he turn off or change the music just because someone who wasn't even in his car didn't like what he had to play? The fucking arrogence of some people....that just pissed me off. I couldn't sit back and say nothing. :furious:
It's ok to ask someone to lower the music, but to think you have a right to censor someone just because you don't agree with their viewpoint? I don't think so.
I think she had it coming.

[KC2OSO]

This is why I stay away from 'other' people.

[Suspect Chin]

So you said you could see that that pamphlet was christian oriented, but how could you tell she was right wing?

[TooLowBrow]

So you said you could see that that pamphlet was christian oriented, but how could you tell she was right wing?

shes a lunatic

[Suspect Chin]

shes a lunatic

So is William Ayers

[Fez4PrezN2008]

So Jeebus hates loud music. Got it. Check.
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[boosterp]

I've been there and had a very bad reaction. The military uses chaplains, we are deployed, and I choose not to join the Sunday service 30 meters in front of my vehicle. After the ceremony the chaplain asks why I did not join to which I answer that I am not Christian. This touches off a (what I think to be) light hearted debate. Well, word gets back to my platoon leader who "urges" me to attend future ceremonies, to which I protest by asking where is my religious freedom? I then get a visit from my company 1stsgt who berates me and asked why I disrespected these two officers. With the backing of my driver I explain my situation to his disgust and for the next couple weeks I was left alone until we were back in garrison. My award for saving some lives was denied despite the other mobile aide station getting their awards while I saw more patients. I did not push it and left Georgia as quick as I could.

[landarch]

Bullshit like this is what keeps me out of the south. I submit that the only error our urban friend made was that he turned his volume knob the wrong way.

[DonInNC]

So we have the black kid who plays his hip-hop too loud, the pamphlet-wielding right winger who is hopped up on Fox News and looking for a minority to go after, and the New Jersey guy who goes down to tell those rednecks how it is. Welcome to the South.

[A.J.]

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[Justice4all]

So you said you could see that that pamphlet was christian oriented, but how could you tell she was right wing?

because name me anyone who is throwing around Jesus pamphlets and demanding that hip hop be banned because it's 'bad and wrong' who is left wing.

[Justice4all]

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leave it up to AJ to show the perfect solution, only the woman is the one who shoudl have had this happen to. imho

[Furtherman]

http://www.theboxset.com/images/reviewcaptures/157cap006.jpg

Oh man, WELL DONE!

[foodcourtdruide]

So is William Ayers

Lol. Um. Ok?

[EliSnow]

So you said you could see that that pamphlet was christian oriented, but how could you tell she was right wing?

Christian oriented with an attitude that hip hop music is something that is anti-christian and shouldn't be played shows a social conservatism that is almost always a right wing trait.

[Dude!]

people who blast music
are so selfish

if he wanted it loud,
he could have stayed in
his car with the windows
closed

[foodcourtdruide]

people who blast music
are so selfish

if he wanted it loud,
he could have stayed in
his car with the windows
closed

But he lowered the music.

[Dude!]

But he lowered the music.

not enough

you don't want to hear my music
i don't want to hear yours
close your frigging windows

[EliSnow]

not enough

you don't want to hear my music
i don't want to hear yours
close your frigging windows

And get off his lawn, you friggin' kids!

[Dude!]

And get off his lawn, you friggin' kids!


if it were reversed
and i could hear them
playing their christian rock
i would tell them to STFU

[EliSnow]

if it were reversed
and i could hear them
playing their christian rock
i would tell them to STFU

My joke wasn't that you were right wing/christian wacko.

My joke was that your comment resembled something you would hear from an old man shouting at kids to get off of his lawn.

[brettmojo]

People suck.

[foodcourtdruide]

not enough

you don't want to hear my music
i don't want to hear yours
close your frigging windows

What if people were having a conversation behind you? Would you tell them to stop? I agree that if the guy was blasting his music he's a selfish jerk, but if he was just playing music at a moderate volume level inside his car then the other car shouldn't expect the whole world to be adhere to their will.

[Furtherman]

I don't think the situation paints her as a christian right-wing whacko, but more of an uppity bitch.






Oh yea, I went there.

[Dude!]

I don't think the situation paints her as a christian right-wing whacko, but more of an uppity bitch.

oh, so she was black too
i didn't catch that

[KatPw]

I've been there and had a very bad reaction. The military uses chaplains, we are deployed, and I choose not to join the Sunday service 30 meters in front of my vehicle. After the ceremony the chaplain asks why I did not join to which I answer that I am not Christian. This touches off a (what I think to be) light hearted debate. Well, word gets back to my platoon leader who "urges" me to attend future ceremonies, to which I protest by asking where is my religious freedom? I then get a visit from my company 1stsgt who berates me and asked why I disrespected these two officers. With the backing of my driver I explain my situation to his disgust and for the next couple weeks I was left alone until we were back in garrison. My award for saving some lives was denied despite the other mobile aide station getting their awards while I saw more patients. I did not push it and left Georgia as quick as I could.

Did you ever contact the FFRF about your experience? They are very interested in situations like this, especially considering that is is known that the Evangelicals were being encouraged to join the military and use it to try to push forth their belief system. Please write to Annie Laurie Gaylor and Dan Barker about this. They are wonderful, kind people who want to make people aware of things like this. www.ffrf.org.

And in regards to the OP, good for you and you fellow passengers. That lady is lucky she wasn't in a part of the country where someone would just take out a gun, shoot her and drive away. The kid should have rolled the window up on her head and called the cops saying she was harassing and threatening him. Turn the tables on the nutjobs.

[CountryBob]

I hate people forcing anything on me - whether it be religious crap or loud music with questionable lyrics.

Nobody has any respect for their neighbor anymore - the guy playing the music too loud, the religious nut forcing a pamplet on him, and you for getting involved.

You shouldnt get into other's business.

[EliSnow]

I hate people forcing anything on me - whether it be religious crap or loud music with questionable lyrics.

Nobody has any respect for their neighbor anymore - the guy playing the music too loud, the religious nut forcing a pamplet on him, and you for getting involved.

You shouldnt get into other's business.

If a neighbor was acting respectful, then you should respect them.

But if someone is being an ass, you shouldn't respect them.

And if it wasn't the lady's business to bother the guy, then Justice wasn't getting into another's business by telling her to stop.

[foodcourtdruide]

I hate people forcing anything on me - whether it be religious crap or loud music with questionable lyrics.

Nobody has any respect for their neighbor anymore - the guy playing the music too loud, the religious nut forcing a pamplet on him, and you for getting involved.

You shouldnt get into other's business.

Again, I don't know why it's lost on everyone that the guy lowered his music.

Maybe it's a city vs. suburbs things? Maybe we just have a different sense of personal space? I see you're from Tennessee? Dude!, where are you from?

[JimBeam]

Christian oriented with an attitude that hip hop music is something that is anti-christian and shouldn't be played shows a social conservatism that is almost always a right wing trait.

I love how we all assume that she wanted the music turned down because it was hip hop.

For all we know it was that it was loud music in general.

It could've been rap, heavy metal, country or Lady GaGa.

The point is nobody outside of his car should've had to listen to it regardless.

You think if a cop was there he'd " have the right " to play his music that loud ?

Please, he'd have turned it down in a second.

Oh and if it was hip hop, uisng the same scientific research that Eli used w/ regards to the dislike of awful loud music meaning you're a right wing Christian, it means the guy was a drug dealer and a gang member. I bet his pants were baggy.

Isn't that the generalization for young black males that listen to hip hop ?

[brettmojo]

I love how we all assume that she wanted the music turned down because it was hip hop.

For all we know it was that it was loud music in general.

It could've been rap, heavy metal, country or Lady GaGa.

The point is nobody outside of his car should've had to listen to it regardless.

You think if a cop was there he'd " have the right " to play his music that loud ?

Please, he'd have turned it down in a second.

Oh and if it was hip hop, uisng the same scientific research that Eli used w/ regards to the dislike of awful loud music meaning you're a right wing Christian, it means the guy was a drug dealer and a gang member. I bet his pants were baggy.

Isn't that the generalization for young black males that listen to hip hop ?
Ummm... SHE THREW A PAMPHLET INTO THE GUYS CAR!!! HOLY SHIT! WHO DRIVES AROUND WITH PAMPHLETS IN THEIR CAR!??!?

[EliSnow]

I love how we all assume that she wanted the music turned down because it was hip hop.

For all we know it was that it was loud music in general.

It could've been rap, heavy metal, country or Lady GaGa.

The point is nobody outside of his car should've had to listen to it regardless.

You think if a cop was there he'd " have the right " to play his music that loud ?

Please, he'd have turned it down in a second.

Oh and if it was hip hop, uisng the same scientific research that Eli used w/ regards to the dislike of awful loud music meaning you're a right wing Christian, it means the guy was a drug dealer and a gang member. I bet his pants were baggy.

Isn't that the generalization for young black males that listen to hip hop ?

Ahem:

Ok...so I'm on the ferry going over the jamestown river (or whatever it's called) in VA going to Williamsburg with my GF. We are standing on the oberservation deck with some other passengers when we look down and see a scene unfolding right underneath us.

There were two vehicles, one was a older model Ford 4x4 (like an explorer) and to it's right was a mini van. In the 4x4 was a skinny younger black guy playing hip hop...in the mini van...a family of an older man with grey hair and beard and his frumpy wife, middle aged, not in great shape but not fat, and looking...well....plain and frumpy. Nothing outstanding about her.

WE watched as the older man attempted to yell at the kid in the 4x4 to get him to lower the music (we thought). Then the wife gets out of the car and proceeds to start yelling and chastizing this kid for playing 'bad music'. we knew she wasn't asking him to simply 'lower the music' when she stood there for well over 4 minutes, some of it with her head in his passenger side window, then grabbing a pamphlet about...I am not kidding you...Jesus...and THROWS the thing into his car demanding he read it. (we could tell what it was about because we had a clear view of the driver seat of the 4x4.)

Well the kid lowered it, but was still playing the music. Well the lady got out of the car AGAIN and TOLD him to shut the music off because "you are playing bad music and I don't think it should be played and I don't want my child in my car to hear that music at all" Mind you this guy did lower the music and they were sitting there with the driver side window down.

Well me, jane and the guy next to me had heard enough from this over-bearing bully. And we yelled down to her from up top.
The guy to my left was telling her to get back in the car, she was going overboard with her request.
Jane told her that she should raise the window if she doesn't want to hear the music, she was going too far.
She then told US that she had every right to demand that guy shut his music off with no effort from her to try to do something on her end to keep from hearing the music.
Well I heard enough and told her she had NO right to demand anyone do anything she wanted, and to raise up her window if she doesn't want to hear the music at that point. People don't have to do anything they don't want to and she needs to go and re-read the 1st amendment.

She told me "excuse me! Don't tell me what to do"
My reply?
"Well when YOU stop telling that guy what to do...I'll stop telling YOU what to do? So stop your crap and get back in your car. (mind you the other two were also adding their comments also)
The husband? Never said a word or looked up (smart man)
the kid in the 4x4? Looked up at us and smiled. Guess he was happy someone was in his corner.


I mean would any one of you say something too? or do you agree with the demand he turn off or change the music just because someone who wasn't even in his car didn't like what he had to play? The fucking arrogence of some people....that just pissed me off. I couldn't sit back and say nothing. :furious:
It's ok to ask someone to lower the music, but to think you have a right to censor someone just because you don't agree with their viewpoint? I don't think so.
I think she had it coming.

So to recap. He was playing hip hop. She complained that it was bad music, gave him a pamphlet about Jesus and demands he read it. He turns the music down, she kept complaining that it was "bad music" and that it should not be played. She didn't say "you're still playing the music too loud." She says its bad music that should not be played, and should be shut off altogether, and for some reason, reading a pamphlet about Jesus will correct him.

Given the above, my conclusions were logical.

[grlNIN]

oh, so she was black too
i didn't catch that

She was African American.

[JPMNICK]

So you have retired being parkway Jesus for Ferry Jesus. Nice upgrade!

that lady sounds like a total fucking maniac, there is no logic to her thoughts or actions.

[Dude!]

She was African American.

possibly Jamaican

[JimBeam]

Ahem:



So to recap. He was playing hip hop. She complained that it was bad music, gave him a pamphlet about Jesus and demands he read it. He turns the music down, she kept complaining that it was "bad music" and that it should not be played. She didn't say "you're still playing the music too loud." She says its bad music that should not be played, and should be shut off altogether, and for some reason, reading a pamphlet about Jesus will correct him.

Given the above, my conclusions were logical.



" Bad " music implies anti-Christian music ?

While I agree that much of today's music does suck and you'd think it was hell sent I'm not sure it's actually anti-Jesus.

Her persistence in asking him to turn down the music again does not imply she's a holy roller it just says she thought his music sucked and she didn't wanna hear it.

Again the law would be on her side as much a Jesus would be.

The Jesus pamphlet might've been given to him by her because she thought he was being rude and maybe though reading it would help him.

That makes it Christian but I'm not sure how right wing it makes her.

How do I categorize the black males that come to my door every weekend handing out religious pamphlets ?

Are they part of the great right wing conspiracy as well ?

What if they listen to rap music while they are not handing out pamphlets ?

What does your logical conclusion say about who they voted for in the past election ?

Obvioulsy they are right wing nuts because they have the nerve to hand out religious materials but on the other side they are black and listen to rap music.

What a moral conundrum that is.

[Justice4all]

Again, I don't know why it's lost on everyone that the guy lowered his music.

Maybe it's a city vs. suburbs things? Maybe we just have a different sense of personal space? I see you're from Tennessee? Dude!, where are you from?

You got it right. He did something to appease her even after she stuck her head in the window to keep agruing with him. Yes he could have initially said to her STFU but what he did in the end was the right thing and lowered the music. We could tell he did it because we couldn't hear it up top anymore and we could initially.




Ahem:



So to recap. He was playing hip hop. She complained that it was bad music, gave him a pamphlet about Jesus and demands he read it. He turns the music down, she kept complaining that it was "bad music" and that it should not be played. She didn't say "you're still playing the music too loud." She says its bad music that should not be played, and should be shut off altogether, and for some reason, reading a pamphlet about Jesus will correct him.

Given the above, my conclusions were logical.



Absolutely, when he lowered the music to a nicer level, once they still could hear the music then it was THEIR turn to raise up their window and block it out completely. they (the couple) just expected everyone to do what they wanted. We didn't have a problem with the first time she came at him, it was the SECOND time she got out of the car to try to 'shut him down' when we said something. I think that was the more important point, was that she kept at him.



So you have retired being parkway Jesus for Ferry Jesus. Nice upgrade!



location...location....location!:thumbup:

[KatPw]

" Bad " music implies anti-Christian music ?

While I agree that much of today's music does suck and you'd think it was hell sent I'm not sure it's actually anti-Jesus.

Her persistence in asking him to turn down the music again does not imply she's a holy roller it just says she thought his music sucked and she didn't wanna hear it.

Again the law would be on her side as much a Jesus would be.

The Jesus pamphlet might've been given to him by her because she thought he was being rude and maybe though reading it would help him.

That makes it Christian but I'm not sure how right wing it makes her.

How do I categorize the black males that come to my door every weekend handing out religious pamphlets ?

Are they part of the great right wing conspiracy as well ?

What if they listen to rap music while they are not handing out pamphlets ?

What does your logical conclusion say about who they voted for in the past election ?

Obvioulsy they are right wing nuts because they have the nerve to hand out religious materials but on the other side they are black and listen to rap music.

What a moral conundrum that is.
From the OP
Well the kid lowered it, but was still playing the music. Well the lady got out of the car AGAIN and TOLD him to shut the music off because "you are playing bad music and I don't think it should be played and I don't want my child in my car to hear that music at all"


The lady stated it was bad music, and that it should not be played. There is a difference between "turn it down" and "I don't think it should be played". Noise level is one thing, telling someone to forgo a type of music is another. That is just being a nosy dictator.

[Dude!]

sorry, but when you are
trapped in a confined space
where people can't get away
from you...
like crammed in on a ferry...
you have a duty to be respectful
of others

any race playing any music
that is loud enough,
even when turned down,
to be heard by many on the boat
then that person is at fault

the woman may be a nut
but she did not instigate

[JimBeam]

Also what are the rules on the ferry ?

Are you allowed to play your music so that it can bother others regardless of their religion or political persuasion ?

If so shouldn't the people in charge of the ferry have gotten involved one way or the other ?

I've also gotta admit that I've heard quite a few Jewish people complain about how bad rap music is and I'm not sure you're allowed to group them in the Christain Right are you ?

Kinda contradicts itself no ?

[brettmojo]

Also what are the rules on the ferry ?

Are you allowed to play your music so that it can bother others regardless of their religion or political persuasion ?

If so shouldn't the people in charge of the ferry have gotten involved one way or the other ?

I've also gotta admit that I've heard quite a few Jewish people complain about how bad rap music is and I'm not sure you're allowed to group them in the Christain Right are you ?

Kinda contradicts itself no ?
Maybe by handing him the Jesus pamphlet I guess she was just encouraging him to grow out his hair then?

[Misteriosa]

from what i can glean, the problem people are having with the lady is not that she asked the guy to turn the music down. the problem is that even after the guy turned the music down, she continued to lecture him on the type of music he listens to and then implies that he listens to this music , which she judges as evil, because he has no connection to (her version of) Jesus.

in summary, she asked him to turn it down. he did, but she still continued bitching and implied he was godless, which to her is a bad thing.

[KatPw]

sorry, but when you are
trapped in a confined space
where people can't get away
from you...
like crammed in on a ferry...
you have a duty to be respectful
of others

any race playing any music
that is loud enough,
even when turned down,
to be heard by many on the boat
then that person is at fault

the woman may be a nut
but she did not instigate
Leaning into someones car and throwing something onto their passenger seat would seem like an instigating act to me.

[JimBeam]

Yeah it's bad and it shouldn't be played because maybe to her it was awful.

I feel the same way about anything by Taylor Swift. I wish it'd be outlawed and I'd gladly resort to fisticuffs if I thought it would help.

How do we know that the songs didn't contain lyrics that most, in coomon company like maybe on a public ferrry, considered questionable ?

Say a Will Smith versus NWA kinda thing ?

While many could ignore Will Smith's lyrics, as incredibly terrible as they are, it'd be another thing to ignore an " F The Police ".

The other thing being missed here is how many other people in the area were actually annoyed/pissed at the music and chose not to say anything.

Because people chose not to get involved because either they'd rather avoid conflict or are able to block it out as an individual doesn't mean they've given tacit approval that the behavior is correct.

[JimBeam]

Maybe by handing him the Jesus pamphlet I guess she was just encouraging him to grow out his hair then?

And get a job.

[Justice4all]

sorry, but when you are
trapped in a confined space
where people can't get away
from you...
like crammed in on a ferry...
you have a duty to be respectful
of others

any race playing any music
that is loud enough,
even when turned down,
to be heard by many on the boat
then that person is at fault

the woman may be a nut
but she did not instigate

No she didn't but she was not the only person surrounding this kid in the 4x4. why was this couple the only ones to say something after he turned it down initially?

What it boils down to is this....he did take an action to try to compromise, and in her eyes it wasn't enough. so instead of thinking "ok what can I do to make it less of a problem, she assumed it was all up to the kid and she shouldn't have to do anything.


maybe I should have told her I was parkway jesus and would gladly take the turn at being ferry Jesus to make her happy!

[Misteriosa]

And get a job.

and walk the earth...

http://www.watchmojo.com/blogs/images/samuelljackson.jpg

[underdog]

possibly Jamaican

Makes sense to me.

[JimBeam]

from what i can glean, the problem people are having with the lady is not that she asked the guy to turn the music down. the problem is that even after the guy turned the music down, she continued to lecture him on the type of music he listens to and then implies that he listens to this music , which she judges as evil, because he has no connection to (her version of) Jesus.

in summary, she asked him to turn it down. he did, but she still continued bitching and implied he was godless, which to her is a bad thing.

But again nowhere in the origianal post are the Jesus pamphlet and the music directly linked.

Maybe her continued lecture, which again from what was written doesn't imply she mentioned to save his soul or anything of the sort because he listened to rap music, had more to do w/ the fact that she could still hear his music in her car.

Again what are the legal/public/societal issues governing that ?

When is it alright for your music/radio to be heard by others ?

Let's also hypothesize the situation a bit.

Say the guy listening to rap music was white and listening to an old Denis Leary comedy cd where he's dropping an f-bomb every 2 minutes. In the next car is a black woman w/ children. The mother objects to the cd, as you'd expect her to, and throws him a pamphlet on Jesus/Mohammed/Buddha or anything else ?

Same reaction by all involved ?

[Justice4all]

from what i can glean, the problem people are having with the lady is not that she asked the guy to turn the music down. the problem is that even after the guy turned the music down, she continued to lecture him on the type of music he listens to and then implies that he listens to this music , which she judges as evil, because he has no connection to (her version of) Jesus.

in summary, she asked him to turn it down. he did, but she still continued bitching and implied he was godless, which to her is a bad thing.

Your summery is right on the money, as is most of your assesment. We (my girl and I) agree with you for the most part. As i said...the kid may have said STFU to her initially which caused her to grab the Jesus pamphlet, but then again most people would just tell the kid that was uncalled for. However she grabbed the pamphlet about 2 mins after leaning into his passenger window, to that is what lead me to believe she was over-the-top with her PRAISE THE LORD attitude.

But the whole "turn that bad music off, I don't want my child listening to that crap on any level" kind of thing we all knew because she said it loud enough for the whole damn boat to hear.

And i am willing to bet any amount of money she would most likely have gotten a better response from the kid had she simply said "i would appreciate you turning that down please...I can hear it clearly in my car and I really don't want to...I would appreciate it"

if someone did that to me...i would turn it down with no problem.

[Misteriosa]

Let's also hypothesize the situation a bit.

Say the guy listening to rap music was white and listening to an old Denis Leary comedy cd where he's dropping an f-bomb every 2 minutes. In the next car is a black woman w/ children. The mother objects to the cd, as you'd expect her to, and throws him a pamphlet on Jesus/Mohammed/Buddha or anything else ?

Same reaction by all involved ?

if he lowered the radio in response, and she continues , for me, yep.

at no point should the pamphets have to come out, no matter what the religion.

[JimBeam]

No she didn't but she was not the only person surrounding this kid in the 4x4. why was this couple the only ones to say something after he turned it down initially?

Per my previous post not getting involved and agreeing w/ the situation are 2 entirely different things.

Basing whether something is right/wrong or socially acceptable/unacceptable shouldn't be left to only those that speak up.

If that was the case things like abortion, gay marriage, etc ... would only be decided by the 2 loudest groups involved in the debate.

[Furtherman]

If that was the case things like abortion, gay marriage, etc ... would only be decided by the 2 loudest groups involved in the debate.

I wish. Because women and gays are loud, and they're the only ones that should have a say in such matters.

[Justice4all]

if he lowered the radio in response, and she continues , for me, yep.

at no point should the pamphets have to come out, no matter what the religion.

Same here....We both would have told the woman, on attempt #2 to get this guy to shut off the music, not just lower it, to get back in the car and stop trying to make people do whatever you thought is right.

[EliSnow]

But again nowhere in the origianal post are the Jesus pamphlet and the music directly linked.

You mean other than the fact that she gave it to him, while complaining about the bad music that shouldn't be played?

Maybe her continued lecture, which again from what was written doesn't imply she mentioned to save his soul or anything of the sort because he listened to rap music, had more to do w/ the fact that she could still hear his music in her car.

She gave him the pamphlet about Jesus while complaining that it was bad music and shouldn't be played -- not just turned down.

Again what are the legal/public/societal issues governing that ?

When is it alright for your music/radio to be heard by others ?

Why are you bringing up legal issues? There was no indication that the music was so loud that a cop would have agreed it was a public disturbance and told him to turn it down.

Oh, and even if it was, he turned it down. Still she complained that it was bad music and it should be off.

Let's also hypothesize the situation a bit.

Say the guy listening to rap music was white and listening to an old Denis Leary comedy cd where he's dropping an f-bomb every 2 minutes. In the next car is a black woman w/ children. The mother objects to the cd, as you'd expect her to, and throws him a pamphlet on Jesus/Mohammed/Buddha or anything else ?

Same reaction by all involved ?

Not completely, but for the most part yes. He can continue playing it at a lower level, and if she didn't want to hear it, she should close her windows.

[JimBeam]

if he lowered the radio in response, and she continues , for me, yep.

at no point should the pamphets have to come out, no matter what the religion.

Agreed, I don't think the pamphlet should've been given, or thrown, at him.

But the whole "turn that bad music off, I don't want my child listening to that crap on any level" kind of thing we all knew because she said it loud enough for the whole damn boat to hear.

Was it hip hop that contained a lot of expletives ?

if so maybe she didn't want her kid to hear it for the same reason I can't yell " f*ck " at softball games because it's possible there are players' kids around.

Society has decided, in some way, what language is and is not acceptable for kids to hear and I'm not sure that it changes when you're on a ferry.

I have no idea if the language in the music was bad but if it was I say the lady had the right to complain.

And he had the right to ignore her.

Situation should/could only be resolved by an unbiased authority figure.

[EliSnow]

Yeah it's bad and it shouldn't be played because maybe to her it was awful.

I feel the same way about anything by Taylor Swift. I wish it'd be outlawed and I'd gladly resort to fisticuffs if I thought it would help.

How do we know that the songs didn't contain lyrics that most, in coomon company like maybe on a public ferrry, considered questionable ?

Say a Will Smith versus NWA kinda thing ?

While many could ignore Will Smith's lyrics, as incredibly terrible as they are, it'd be another thing to ignore an " F The Police ".

The other thing being missed here is how many other people in the area were actually annoyed/pissed at the music and chose not to say anything.

Because people chose not to get involved because either they'd rather avoid conflict or are able to block it out as an individual doesn't mean they've given tacit approval that the behavior is correct.

People who think music is bad quality wise generally don't say it should not be played at all and give out a Jesus pamphlet.

[EliSnow]

Situation should/could only be resolved by an unbiased authority figure.

Why? It doesn't seem that what either was doing was illegal. There's no indication that the music was that loud, and her actions weren't illegal.

Both may have been rude, but rudeness isn't a crime.

[TripleSkeet]

Heres how I see it. Justice4all....well done.

And you people bitching about the music, theres a difference between music being too loud and being heard. If you are on a boat with a car radio on and the windows down, even at a reasonable volume others can still hear it. That doesnt mean he has to turn the fucking radio off. Since when do you have the right to NOT hear someones music? Roll your own fucking windows up then.

And if a cop was on board hed say the same thing. He would tell you to turn the music down if it were too loud but not off. Cops dont do that.

If I were that guy my reply would be simple, ignore the woman, turn to her husband, and tell him to get his fucking wife under control and back in the car before she got tossed in the drink.

[JimBeam]

I wish. Because women and gays are loud, and they're the only ones that should have a say in such matters.

And the richest 2% of the population pay the most taxes so they should have the say in how that money is spent.

[underdog]

And the richest 2% of the population pay the most taxes so they should have the say in how that money is spent.

They do.

[boosterp]

Did you ever contact the FFRF about your experience? They are very interested in situations like this, especially considering that is is known that the Evangelicals were being encouraged to join the military and use it to try to push forth their belief system. Please write to Annie Laurie Gaylor and Dan Barker about this. They are wonderful, kind people who want to make people aware of things like this. www.ffrf.org.

And in regards to the OP, good for you and you fellow passengers. That lady is lucky she wasn't in a part of the country where someone would just take out a gun, shoot her and drive away. The kid should have rolled the window up on her head and called the cops saying she was harassing and threatening him. Turn the tables on the nutjobs.

It was not worth it, I was left alone, and there could be any number of ways not to justify my award. I was leaving that shitty unit at Ft. Stewart and was happy to just be leaving.

On topic: When you are on a ferry you turn off you engines so you roll your windows down. This bitch could of considered mouse farts too loud and to be vulgar.

Makes sense to me.

Aren't you Jamaican too?

[angrymissy]

I've been there and had a very bad reaction. The military uses chaplains, we are deployed, and I choose not to join the Sunday service 30 meters in front of my vehicle. After the ceremony the chaplain asks why I did not join to which I answer that I am not Christian. This touches off a (what I think to be) light hearted debate. Well, word gets back to my platoon leader who "urges" me to attend future ceremonies, to which I protest by asking where is my religious freedom? I then get a visit from my company 1stsgt who berates me and asked why I disrespected these two officers. With the backing of my driver I explain my situation to his disgust and for the next couple weeks I was left alone until we were back in garrison. My award for saving some lives was denied despite the other mobile aide station getting their awards while I saw more patients. I did not push it and left Georgia as quick as I could.

That's horrible and wrong.

[silks]

From what I can tell, it sounds like the volume of the music wasn't the issue, it was the content. If he was blasting Miles Davis or something, would have he gotten the same reaction? Maybe she would have asked him to turn it down, but Jesus wouldn't have been brought into the picture.

If I were the kid in the 4x4 I would have just started yelling "SATAN! SATAN! SATAN!"

[tanless1]

allthough you were much closer to the situation than myself, i dont believe you have enough in formation. ill be the first to admit the biggest problem w/ christianity is the christians. the understanding of this spirtual relationship is between one and god.
sure, share the message ; but let your life be the testimony. not just another hammer in the tool box to beat on someone with-
for all you know or dont know ; hip-hop was a christian too.
im sorry for your experience "boosterp" that doesnt sound right.

[JimBeam]

I've been there and had a very bad reaction. The military uses chaplains, we are deployed, and I choose not to join the Sunday service 30 meters in front of my vehicle. After the ceremony the chaplain asks why I did not join to which I answer that I am not Christian. This touches off a (what I think to be) light hearted debate. Well, word gets back to my platoon leader who "urges" me to attend future ceremonies, to which I protest by asking where is my religious freedom? I then get a visit from my company 1stsgt who berates me and asked why I disrespected these two officers. With the backing of my driver I explain my situation to his disgust and for the next couple weeks I was left alone until we were back in garrison. My award for saving some lives was denied despite the other mobile aide station getting their awards while I saw more patients. I did not push it and left Georgia as quick as I could.

You're fortunate Senior Driller Sergeant Hartman wasn't there or he might've beaten you until you sounded off that you loved the Virgin Mary.

Incidentally why is it spelled " Sergeant " yet it's abbreviated " Sarge " ?

Shouldn't it be " Sargeant " or " Sargent " ?

[Furtherman]

I wish. Because women and gays are loud, and they're the only ones that should have a say in such matters.

And the richest 2% of the population pay the most taxes so they should have the say in how that money is spent.

They do.

And besides, taxes are a different song compared to a woman's body and someone's personal feelings.

[boosterp]

You're fortunate Senior Driller Sergeant Hartman wasn't there or he might've beaten you until you sounded off that you loved the Virgin Mary.

Incidentally why is it spelled " Sergeant " yet it's abbreviated " Sarge " ?

Shouldn't it be " Sargeant " or " Sargent " ?

Sarge is frowned upon in use because it is interpreted to mean something like scum at the bottom of the ocean. The spelling for sergeant comes from the Continental Army and use of English ranks and is abbreviated Sgt.

Thanks everyone for the sentiments, I got my due at my my assignments after this one and I am proud how I served.

[JimBeam]

And besides, taxes are a different song compared to a woman's body and someone's personal feelings.

Not when you're asking for money to be taken out of my paycheck to help fund things of this nature.

Then it becomes my business.

[hanso]

When did they ever get it right?
They need to stay out of politics.
It always screws things up to no end.

[spoon]

Don't you people realize..? Every time a black man turns down hip hop music an angel gets it's wings! She was doing the lord's work people and I back her.

Dash, TURN THAT SHIT OFF!

[NateCantDance]

As a Christian, you're taught that people not living according to your preacher's version of a Christian lifestyle are unwashed heathens, and it's your job as a Christian to save them. It's a mandate. If you're not "spreading the good news about Jesus" then you're failing as a Christian.

[Furtherman]

Not when you're asking for money to be taken out of my paycheck to help fund things of this nature.

Then it becomes my business.

And when would you be funding an abortion or Adam & Steve's wedding?

[TripleSkeet]

As a Christian, you're taught that people not living according to your preacher's version of a Christian lifestyle are unwashed heathens, and it's your job as a Christian to save them. It's a mandate. If you're not "spreading the good news about Jesus" then you're failing as a Christian.

That right there is the biggest problem with Christianity. They need to incorporate the "mind your own fucking business" mandate.