Land Of The Free? Home Of The Brave?

[Gvac]

We really have to change our National Anthem.

This country has become a land of pathetic, weak, spoiled brats who want the government to be their mommy and daddy for the rest of their lives, protecting and coddling them from the cradle to the grave.

We shame our founding fathers and the brave men and women who settled this nation.

If we're going to be perfectly honest, I think the new National Anthem should be "Someone To Watch Over Me."

[Serpico1103]

Maybe change the name to the "United Corporations of America."

It wasn't perfect than, it isn't perfect now.

[spoon]

Come on G, it takes a strong will and amazing fortitude to twitter your lunch and maintain a facebook page while staring down the prospect of getting a job and or moving out of your parent's home.

Twestivals help keep America beautiful and proud!

[Hottub]

Get a new bit.

[spoon]

Maybe change the name to the "United Corporations of America."

It wasn't perfect than, it isn't perfect now.

Well the funny thing is that the past governments that tore down the restrictions and rules governing business allowed, if not caused our need to step in and bail out/own all these failing corporations.

[spoon]

Get a new bit.

As soon as you do. It holds up and is on topic u dumb cunt.

[silks]

We shame our founding fathers and the brave men and women who settled this nation

You're preaching to the choir.

[Serpico1103]

Well the funny thing is that the past governments that tore down the restrictions and rules governing business allowed, if not caused our need to step in and bail out/own all these failing corporations.

Corporations got what they asked for, less restrictions, and what did they do? Drove themselves into bankruptcy and took us with them.

Quick fix to global and American problems, go back to old laws of regulating corporations. They were limited in length, had to serve only one purpose, not these multinational all encompassing monoliths that really control the world. Sorry to burst LordJezo's bubble that the UN is running a world government.

But, I am really not all that enamored with our founding fathers. It is not like they landed on the moon and turned it into a paradise. They landed on paradise, and with the help of the French, wrested control from the Brits. Good men, but not supermen

[BlackSpider]

We really have to change our National Anthem.

This country has become a land of pathetic, weak, spoiled brats who want the government to be their mommy and daddy for the rest of their lives, protecting and coddling them from the cradle to the grave.

We shame our founding fathers and the brave men and women who settled this nation.

If we're going to be perfectly honest, I think the new National Anthem should be "Someone To Watch Over Me."

Exactly five months to the day of my thread... (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=77159)

[Syd]

We really have to change our National Anthem.

This country has become a land of pathetic, weak, spoiled brats who want the government to be their mommy and daddy for the rest of their lives, protecting and coddling them from the cradle to the grave.

We shame our founding fathers and the brave men and women who settled this nation.

They had the King's troops watching over them when they initially landed, the French to guide and supply them in their fight against England and they had the US Army to clear the path of indians for manifest destiny.

So uh, stop retconning history.

[spoon]

Corporations got what they asked for, less restrictions, and what did they do? Drove themselves into bankruptcy and took us with them.

Quick fix to global and American problems, go back to old laws of regulating corporations. They were limited in length, had to serve only one purpose, not these multinational all encompassing monoliths that really control the world. Sorry to burst LordJezo's bubble that the UN is running a world government.

I agree to the most part, but the moves made here had to be done or we likely would have seen (still may) a depression like situation as led by Hoover and his decision at the turn of the century to let it work itself out. The very statement you made about coporations getting what they asked for SCREAMS insanity, but our gov is bought sold and delivered, and is only acting as it is now based on current outrage and voting patterns. If we're to truly get our old was of regulations and detached business from government (never really happened, but it has been better), we need term limits, a true third party and people to get fucking pissed like the Iranians. Even though we're getting raped in another way, Americans are too fat dumb and happy to get the fuck up and make a statement.

[Gvac]

They had the King's troops watching over them when they initially landed, the French to guide and supply them in their fight against England and they had the US Army to clear the path of indians for manifest destiny.

So uh, stop retconning history.

Translation = "It's because daddy didn't love me enough!"

Stop making excuses.

[sailor]

starting up a posse?

[Foster]

Exactly five months to the day of my thread... (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=77159)

I remember that, superbowl sunday

FezsAssistant said you were ignorant

[Serpico1103]

I agree to the most part, but the moves made here had to be done or we likely would have seen (still may) a depression like situation as led by Hoover and his decision at the turn of the century to let it work itself out. The very statement you made about coporations getting what they asked for SCREAMS insanity, but our gov is bought sold and delivered, and is only acting as it is now based on current outrage and voting patterns. If we're to truly get our old was of regulations and detached business from government (never really happened, but it has been better), we need term limits, a true third party and people to get fucking pissed like the Iranians. Even though we're getting raped in another way, Americans are too fat dumb and happy to get the fuck up and make a statement.

I am not talking about the Obama's policies. I am talking about allowing corporations to grow and either be free from regulation or basically write the regulation that "controls" them. All starting when a corporate purpose was allowed to expand beyond a single mission to where it is today; anything that is profitable.
All the "advances" that major corporations gave us, have only created new problems, or solved problems that they have created.

[lleeder]

Exactly five months to the day of my thread... (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=77159)

All this time I thought that was a thread about Ayn Rand.

[brettmojo]

Exactly five months to the day of my thread... (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=77159)
So Gvac is the Dane Cook of RF.NET?

[Gvac]

So Gvac is the Dane Cook of RF.NET?

How dare you!

I never saw Spider's post. It was Super Bowl Sunday and a little birthday celebration for me as well.

Spider knows I love him dearly.

[boosterp]

What about us who served in the military, fought for what we believed to be true, and fought because our Commander and Chief told us to, and felt like we were serving the citizens of the US?

[BlackSpider]

I remember that, superbowl sunday

FezsAssistant said you were ignorant

I'm not gonna re-read it, but I think he also somehow implied I was racist...

[TheMojoPin]

Time travel those pansies from colonial times to today and watch 'em all drop dead of wussiness.

Gvac longs for the days of stockings and powdered wigs, no bathing, plumbing or toilet paper. In short, "manly" to him is a shit-reeking transvestite.

[Foster]

I'm not gonna re-read it, but I think he also somehow implied I was racist...

yeah, that too...

[lleeder]

What? The land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy. Now something must be done. About vengence, a badge and a gun.

[booster11373]

We really have to change our National Anthem.

This country has become a land of pathetic, weak, spoiled brats who want the government to be their mommy and daddy for the rest of their lives, protecting and coddling them from the cradle to the grave.

We shame our founding fathers and the brave men and women who settled this nation.

If we're going to be perfectly honest, I think the new National Anthem should be "Someone To Watch Over Me."

I think you have a misinformed almost childlike understanding of American history that seems to come from idyllic Hollywood westerns rather then actual history. America is a great place but this view that you and Bennington seem to share just did not exist.

[IamFogHat]

Dauhhh Gvac hates America, daauhhhh freedom man, only dahhhuuu way to be, USA!!! No one should express their opinions dahhuuuuu we got us a constitution dauhhhh@! *fart noise*

[Serpico1103]

I think you have a misinformed almost childlike understanding of American history that seems to come from idyllic Hollywood westerns rather then actual history. America is a great place but this view that you and Bennington seem to share just did not exist.

But he watched "John Adams" on HBO.

[TheMojoPin]

We shame our founding fathers

You mean the rich guys that expected the poor and slaves to do all their work for them?

OHHHHH, SORRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEE.

[RhinoinMN]

As soon as you do. It holds up and is on topic u dumb cunt.

personal attack.:banning:

[Devo37]

it's all the fault of the insurance companies who want to get paid their premiums without ever paying out claims. that's why there's seatbelt laws. that's why there's smoking laws. that's why you'll soon have to sign a waiver before you eat a steak or anything else that they deem 'unhealthy'.

they can take their over-protectiveness and blow it out their a$$es!!! :furious:

[booster11373]

Riddle me this Captain America where does someones "right" to smoke trump my right not to breath second hand smoke?

[Gvac]

Riddle me this Captain America where does someones "right" to smoke trump my right not to breath second hand smoke?

The same place your "right" to play music trumps my right to not want to hear it.

Or your "right" to eat foods that I find smelly and offensive.

[Devo37]

Riddle me this Captain America where does someones "right" to smoke trump my right not to breath second hand smoke?

you don't have any such right.

do you have a right to never breath automobile exhaust? or the exhaust from someone's fireplace? or from someone's barbecue pit?

we share a common environment. get over it.

[TheMojoPin]

The same place your "right" to play music trumps my right to not want to hear it.

Or your "right" to eat foods that I find smelly and offensive.

Oh yeah, I forgot both of those things get you sick.

[badmonkey]

"Anything not good for you is bad, hence, illegal. Alcohol, caffeine, contact sports, meat, bad language, child play, gasoline, uneducational toys, and anything spicy. Abortion is also illegal. But, then again so is pregnancy, if you don't have a license." -- Lenina Huxley

"I've seen the future. You know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin, sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing, 'I'm an Oscar Meyer wiener.'" --Edgar Friendly

"I'm sorry to say that the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself--run by a bunch of robed sissies." -- Simon Phoenix


I'm gonna go figure out how the seashells work so I can invent that and be rich.

[TheMojoPin]

you don't have any such right.

do you have a right to never breath automobile exhaust? or the exhaust from someone's fireplace? or from someone's barbecue pit?

we share a common environment. get over it.



Ah, so the rights of the people willfully doing the proven harmful thing that very likely also harms the people around them trump those of the people choosing not engage in that harmful practice.

For better or for worse, our society has reached the point where transportation is a necessity. Smoking is no such necessity. Comparing smoking to the runoff from cars and such isn't a fair comparison at all.

[booster11373]

you don't have any such right.

do you have a right to never breath automobile exhaust? or the exhaust from someone's fireplace? or from someone's barbecue pit?

we share a common environment. get over it.



Thats my point

[Gvac]

Oh yeah, I forgot both of those things get you sick.

They do.

Shitty music and shitty food literally give me a headache and nausea.

I'm not kidding.

Ditto for certain perfumes.

[brettmojo]

Silly smokers... Will you ever win?

[lleeder]

No Rage Against The Machine fans in this thread?

[TheMojoPin]

They do.

Shitty music and shitty food literally give me a headache and nausea.

I'm not kidding.

Ditto for certain perfumes.

That's not very manly of you.

Do you declare that you have the vapors and then pass out delicately with the back of your hand against your forehead?

[Devo37]

Ah, so the rights of the people willfully doing the proven harmful thing that very likely also harms the people around them trump those of the people choosing not engage in that harmful practice.

if by "proven harmful things" you mean performing perfectly legal activities, then yes, they trump your 'rights'.

[sailor]

No Rage Against The Machine fans in this thread?

no anthrax fans?

[Gvac]

I have incredibly sharp hearing. I can hear a dog whistle; no lie.

I can tell if a TV is on in someone's house even if the volume is off from the high pitched whine.

Certain sounds are painful to me.

I shouldn't have to put up with them.

Traditional Irish music has also been known to induce migraines and vomiting in me. I shouldn't have to be subjected to it.

[TheMojoPin]

if by "proven harmful things" you mean performing perfectly legal activities, then yes, they trump your 'rights'.



Way to gloss over the key points of the debate. If smoking was just about people not liking the smell then it would have never gotten to this point. This comes down to an issue of a leisure practice being harmful to the people around the person engagaing in it.

[TheMojoPin]

I have incredibly sharp hearing. I can hear a dog whistle; no lie.

I can tell if a TV is on in someone's house even if the volume is off from the high pitched whine.

Certain sounds are painful to me.

I shouldn't have to put up with them.

Traditional Irish music has also been known to induce migraines and vomiting in me. I shouldn't have to be subjected to it.

Middleage Mutant Ninja Gvac.

[styckx]

I think you have a misinformed almost childlike understanding of American history that seems to come from idyllic Hollywood westerns rather then actual history. America is a great place but this view that you and Bennington seem to share just did not exist.

And as much as I love Ron, his weakest point is politics and usually sounds like a fucking idiot when he tries talking about them. Same goes for Anthony

[booster11373]

if by "proven harmful things" you mean performing perfectly legal activities, then yes, they trump your 'rights'.


Perfectly legal yes? Harmful yes! if a person chooses to do said activities then I don't care until it infringes on my right to not to do those things
Smokers don't do so in a vacuum

[TheMojoPin]

And as much as I love Ron, his weakest point is politics and usually sounds like a fucking idiot when he tries talking about them. Same goes for Anthony

Yup. Different sides of the same ridiculous coin.

[sailor]

Middleage Mutant Ninja Gvac.

you're too kind.

[spoon]

personal attack.:banning:

Hey fuck you too narc!

[Serpico1103]

I have incredibly sharp hearing. I can hear a dog whistle; no lie.
I can tell if a TV is on in someone's house even if the volume is off from the high pitched whine.
Certain sounds are painful to me.
I shouldn't have to put up with them.
Traditional Irish music has also been known to induce migraines and vomiting in me. I shouldn't have to be subjected to it.

This sounds like plot points from "Bourne Identity." What other idiosyncrasies do you have? Are you a highly trained government assassin?

[TheMojoPin]

This sounds like plot points from "Bourne Identity." What other idiosyncrasies do you have? Are you a highly trained government assassin?

When danger is near he gets a nagging tingling feeling in the back of his head.

[Gvac]

This sounds like plot points from "Bourne Identity." What other idiosyncrasies do you have? Are you a highly trained government assassin?

Never saw it.

I have many amazing and wonderful gifts; far too many to list here.

[sailor]

Never saw it.

I have many amazing and wonderful gifts; far too many to list here.

you mean, never read it.

[Serpico1103]

Never saw it.

I have many amazing and wonderful gifts; far too many to list here.

Really? Bourne Identity is one of the best action movies of the last decade. Supremacy is good, while Ultimatum was so so.

I highly recommend Bourne Identity, better than Casino Royale, which I thought was the best Bond in a long time.

By "gifts" are you referring to other things that make you weak and nauseous?

[boosterp]

Never saw it.

I have many amazing and wonderful gifts; far too many to list here.

Like knowing how to treat the head of a dick while caressing it gently in your mouth? :tongue:

[Devo37]

Way to gloss over the key points of the debate. If smoking was just about people not liking the smell then it would have never gotten to this point. This comes down to an issue of a leisure practice being harmful to the people around the person engagaing in it.

unless you're trapped in a sealed room with a smoker for long periods of time, there is little chance of second hand smoke causing you any harm. in fact, with the air filtration systems that most bars had prior to smoking bans, the air you would breath inside a bar was cleaner than the air outside the bar!

but this goes way beyond smoking. smoking just happens to take all the heat because smoking is generally unhealthy (for the smoker), and there are very few politicians that would waste their time defending smokers due to the majority's disapproval of smoking (not to mention the kickbacks from insurance company lobbyists that they would no longer be able to line their pockets with).

beyond smoking, there are lots of worse sources of pollution than cigarettes. if breathing second hand smoke is so concerning, why isn't breathing exhaust from internal combustion engines? maybe we should ban fossil-fuel cars, trucks, airplanes, and ships. sure, the global economy and transportation network would grind to a sudden halt and human civilization as we know it would soon be destroyed, but that's a small price to pay to for clean air!

[TheMojoPin]

beyond smoking, there are lots of worse sources of pollution than cigarettes. if breathing second hand smoke is so concerning, why isn't breathing exhaust from internal combustion engines? maybe we should ban fossil-fuel cars, trucks, airplanes, and ships. sure, the global economy and transportation network would grind to a sudden halt and human civilization as we know it would soon be destroyed, but that's a small price to pay to for clean air!



I already specifically mentioned this. Civilization as we know it relies on modern transportation. The pollution along with it is a necessary evil for the time being. Comparing that to cigarettes doesn't work because cigarettes are a totally unecessary luxury. It's a leisure activity. Nobody HAS to smoke. Shit, I love smoking, but I don't see why I NEED to do it out and about in businesses and eating establishments and so on.

[Serpico1103]

in fact, with the air filtration systems that most bars had prior to smoking bans, the air you would breath inside a bar was cleaner than the air outside the bar!


Was that the smell of "clean air" that I couldn't get off my coat for weeks? I thought it was cigarette smoke. Thanks for clarifying.

Casinos pull off the clear air gimmick, but bars and clubs never could.

[A.J.]

This country needs a good old-fashioned Injun War to right the ship!

[topless_mike]

starting up a posse?

finally another anthrax fan.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Was that the smell of "clean air" that I couldn't get off my coat for weeks?

The "smell" on your "coat" might be a territory best left unexplored.

[TheMojoPin]

Is the coat an abstract concept?

[Gvac]

Can we please get back to discussing how you are all worthless and weak and pick funny songs for the new anthem?

YOU PUSSIES MAKE ME SICK!

[spoon]

How about this!?

Sure fits a country of pussies...

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[scottinnj]

Can we please get back to discussing how you are all worthless and weak and pick funny songs for the new anthem?

YOU PUSSIES MAKE ME SICK!

Can I be your sidekick?
Your disdain for the indecisive weak-willed commie heathens that infest our nation moves me.

[Gvac]

Can I be your sidekick?
Your disdain for the indecisive weak-willed commie heathens that infest our nation moves me.

Sure!

Ready for a Presidential run in 2012?

This bum in the White House has already lost his luster.

[Serpico1103]

The "smell" on your "coat" might be a territory best left unexplored.

I am sure you have licked "smell" off of many a man's "coat." So, don't act innocent now.

[razorboy]

It should have been changed to America the Beautiful a long long time ago.