I'm obsessed with 9/11 conspiracy theory videos

[NewYorkDragons80]

I've found myself recently becoming more and more involved in going to youtube and finding new 9/11 conspiracy theory videos and incessantly arguing with their supporters. It's absolutely senseless, since views are so entrenched, but I find myself returning to it like a drug. I have been checking comments to my youtube discussions almost as often as my e-mail in the past couple weeks. Does anyone else do anything like this/can relate?

By the way, here's the latest in batshit crazy 9/11 conspiracy theory:

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That's right. They're alleging that the media was part of a conspiracy to insert *holograms* live on TV. It's been dubbed the "Ghostplane" or "no plane" theory. "But what about all the people who personally witnessed it?" you ask. The supporters of this theory claim they must've seen a missile since no one can definitively say they saw a 767 (and even if they did, they might as well be an agent at that point).

[ANC]

That's right. They're alleging that the media was part of a conspiracy to insert *holograms* live on TV. It's been dubbed the "Ghostplane" or "no plane" theory.

What a bunch of assholes... I'd love to beat the piss out of one of these assholes. I saw the fuckin planes with my own eyes. I guess I'm in on it too...

[HBox]

I'm starting a band and naming it Theory of Ghostplane.

[sailor]

what's their point (the video)? every person who filmed it was a fake?

[BronxJohnny]

I saw the planes hit the buildings, the smell of that day still lingers in my nightmares. Fuck these cock sucking scumbags. :thumbdown:

[ANC]

I saw the planes hit the buildings, the smell of that day still lingers in my nightmares. Fuck these cock sucking scumbags. :thumbdown:

x2 QFT.

[GreatAmericanZero]

who do you think are bigger assholes? 9/11 Conspiracy people or Holocaust deniers?

[CHUCKWAGONCOOK]

who do you think are bigger assholes? 9/11 Conspiracy people or Holocaust deniers?
RonFez.net Moderators. That's who!!!

[Death Metal Moe]

OK, so the 1st plane wasn't on camera because it was such a surprise. But the 2nd one was on A LOT of different cameras from A LOT of different angles. Are they saying that each and every crew filming from so many different distances and angles all had their own holograms put on their film?

What about that one video where someone on the streets of NYC clearly looks up to see an airplane hit the buildings?

I guess they'd just explain it away somehow. I hate these people, they're almost as brainwashed as religious nuts.

[A.J.]

OK, so the 1st plane wasn't on camera because it was such a surprise.

Actually, it was caught on film by those French brothers, Jules and Gedeon Naudet, who were filming a documentary at the time the first plane hit.

http://img.stern.de/_content/51/27/512729/WTC1_400.jpg

[high fly]

The conspiracy theorists are not worth the time other than for sport.


I have been studying terrorism for years now and have quite a bit of information stored that I want to eventually put up on a website.

With the 9/11 Commission Report, a lot of really good information is buried in the footnotes. It has some problems, but overall is a very good reference book.
No single source should be taken alone.
The House-Senate joint intelligence committee inquiry is a good source and if you really want more detail on 9/11, there is the book, 9/11 and Terrorist Travel put together by the 9/11 Commission staff.
Right now I am going through The Commission, by Philip Shenon. It is a critical look at the 9/11 Commission and exposes leads they should have followed as well as the infighting that took place...

[Disaster]

I dont want to get into what i saw that day or say anymore then that other then i would have to punch my screen if i watched this shit. My girl had to keep me from knocking out some scumbag selling dvds of this shit in the subway last winter

[Tallman388]

This is exactly why I bought Debunking 9/11 Myths. I just couldn't take these childish assholes telling me everything I saw was wrong and they were right maaaaan. Especially the Loose Change cocksuckers, I want them to be locked in a room with Fred from Brooklyn.

[Furtherman]

That's right. They're alleging that the media was part of a conspiracy to insert *holograms* live on TV. It's been dubbed the "Ghostplane" or "no plane" theory. "But what about all the people who personally witnessed it?" you ask. The supporters of this theory claim they must've seen a missile since no one can definitively say they saw a 767 (and even if they did, they might as well be an agent at that point).

I must be an agent.

[instrument]

I didn't realize there were pictures of people in the holes the planes left until last year.

I don't think I'd ever seen those photos on any of those 9/11 history channel shows or anything.

And when I showed my friends they'd never seen em either, I had just chalked it up to the fact I don't watch much tv.

If you haven't seem em just hit google.

[lleeder]

I've never seen the show but I'd jack it to the topless stills.

[HBox]

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That's right. They're alleging that the media was part of a conspiracy to insert *holograms* live on TV. It's been dubbed the "Ghostplane" or "no plane" theory. "But what about all the people who personally witnessed it?" you ask. The supporters of this theory claim they must've seen a missile since no one can definitively say they saw a 767 (and even if they did, they might as well be an agent at that point).

I must be an agent.[/QUOTE]

Are you telling me all those planes I see in the sky are missiles?! Is there some kind of war going on that no one told me about?

[Furtherman]

I must be an agent.

Are you telling me all those planes I see in the sky are missiles?! Is there some kind of war going on that no one told me about?[/QUOTE]

No, I misquoted that post. I'm not saying that - the morons who think this is all a coverup are.

[CYYYFYYY]

Don't forget the people in those planes are also agents.

[Contra]

But what does lordjezo think?

[Furtherman]

But what does lordjezo think?

He has no time to think, he has to wash towels.

[benjamin]

I am a believer in 911 being an inside job.

911TRUTH.ORG
INFOWARS.COM

All you need to know to realize what is going on.

[led37zep]

They know when to spam don't they?

[LordJezo]

But what does lordjezo think?

9/11 was not an inside job.

It was done by the terrorists and it will happen again as we grow softer and softer on them and now coddle their ways instead of destroying them and everyone around them.

[KnoxHarrington]

9/11 "truthers" piss me off, but I find the "birthers" to be a source of endless entertainment.

[Cleophus James]

I hate it when I am looking for live coverage from that day like cnn or fox on you tube, and it is one of these fucking videos.

Actually I hate it when I am looking for anything on you tube, and get someones shitty tribute.

[benjamin]

I hate dumb fucks that dont do any research or challenge the mainstream media.

Look into the shit before you shoot your mouth off - youre embarrasing yourselves.

Stop doing and thinking what you are told.

Ronnie B would be dissapointed in you dumb fucks.

911 was an inside job.
its obvious.

ae911truth.org - all architects and engineers who say the official 911 stories were bullshit.

wearechange.org - an organization committed to honoring the memories of those lost by exposing the truth.

THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE GET OFF YOUR ASS AND FREE YOUR MIND.

THE TRUTH CAN BE SCARY - DONT BE AFRAID ANYMORE.

[keithy_19]

I hate dumb fucks that dont do any research or challenge the mainstream media.

Look into the shit before you shoot your mouth off - youre embarrasing yourselves.

Stop doing and thinking what you are told.

Ronnie B would be dissapointed in you dumb fucks.

911 was an inside job.
its obvious.

ae911truth.org - all architects and engineers who say the official 911 stories were bullshit.

wearechange.org - an organization committed to honoring the memories of those lost by exposing the truth.

THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE GET OFF YOUR ASS AND FREE YOUR MIND.

THE TRUTH CAN BE SCARY - DONT BE AFRAID ANYMORE.

I can't believe I'm acknowledging this, but...

Why? Why'd we do it?

[IMSlacker]

Thermite paint!

[underdog]

I hate dumb fucks that dont do any research or challenge the mainstream media.

Look into the shit before you shoot your mouth off - youre embarrasing yourselves.

Stop doing and thinking what you are told.

Ronnie B would be dissapointed in you dumb fucks.

911 was an inside job.
its obvious.

ae911truth.org - all architects and engineers who say the official 911 stories were bullshit.

wearechange.org - an organization committed to honoring the memories of those lost by exposing the truth.

THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE GET OFF YOUR ASS AND FREE YOUR MIND.

THE TRUTH CAN BE SCARY - DONT BE AFRAID ANYMORE.

Exactly.

[Furtherman]

I hate dumb fucks that dont do any research or challenge the mainstream media.

Whew! Am I glad I don't fit your definition of a dumb fuck because I DO research (it's my job) and I constantly challenge the media!

And guess what?

You fit MY definition of dumb.

[underdog]

Whew! Am I glad I don't fit your definition of a dumb fuck because I DO research (it's my job) and I constantly challenge the media!

And guess what?

You fit MY definition of dumb.

You have a job?

[keithy_19]

You have a job?

Shhh. He's working for the government to try to pass the guy off as a nut so we don't believe in what he says. We're all so stupid and uninformed. Duh.

[ScottFromGA]

I hate dumb fucks that dont do any research or challenge the mainstream media.

Look into the shit before you shoot your mouth off - youre embarrasing yourselves.

Stop doing and thinking what you are told.

Ronnie B would be dissapointed in you dumb fucks.

911 was an inside job.
its obvious.

ae911truth.org - all architects and engineers who say the official 911 stories were bullshit.

wearechange.org - an organization committed to honoring the memories of those lost by exposing the truth.

THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE GET OFF YOUR ASS AND FREE YOUR MIND.

THE TRUTH CAN BE SCARY - DONT BE AFRAID ANYMORE.

YEAHHHHHHH COOOOOO-FUCKING-CAINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[benjamin]

I can't believe I'm acknowledging this, but...

Why? Why'd we do it?

The "we" is the question.

All we know is that it didnt go down the way it was told to us and there was a coverup.

FURTHERMAN - with all due respect answer me this...
How did building 7 come down...
Why?
Why did Larry Silverstein (the leaseholder of the WTC complex) say that they decided to "pull" building 7 then have it go down in perfect staged - demolition fashion.

Have you watched "loose change" or "911 in plane sight" or "911 mysteries"?

Have you been to ae911truth.org and seen the testimony of over 700 of our TOP architects (a) and engineers (e) demanding that the glaring inconsistencies of the "official" story be reinvestigated?

[led37zep]

The "we" is the question.

All we know is that it didnt go down the way it was told to us and there was a coverup.

FURTHERMAN - with all due respect answer me this...
How did building 7 come down...
Why?
Why did Larry Silverstein (the leaseholder of the WTC complex) say that they decided to "pull" building 7 then have it go down in perfect staged - demolition fashion.

Have you watched "loose change" or "911 in plane sight" or "911 mysteries"?

Have you been to ae911truth.org and seen the testimony of over 700 of our TOP architects (a) and engineers (e) demanding that the glaring inconsistencies of the "official" story be reinvestigated?

How many times has loose change been re-edited to omit the certain "truths" that have been proven to be incorrect?

Move along. Its hack bullshit, and you all are grasping at you're own imaginations.

[benjamin]

How many times has loose change been re-edited to omit the certain "truths" that have been proven to be incorrect?

Move along. Its hack bullshit, and you all are grasping at you're own imaginations.

I think people use the phrase "hack" way too much...
To the point where it becomes hack...
You feel me?
:smoke:

[keithy_19]

The "we" is the question.

All we know is that it didnt go down the way it was told to us and there was a coverup.

FURTHERMAN - with all due respect answer me this...
How did building 7 come down...
Why?
Why did Larry Silverstein (the leaseholder of the WTC complex) say that they decided to "pull" building 7 then have it go down in perfect staged - demolition fashion.



Here I go.

The building went down the way a building would go down under the stress it was under. The floors collapsed on top of each other.

Building 7 went down because there was considerable damage done to the building. Including a raging fire that caused the collapse.

"Pull it" is not a demolition term. Larry Silverstein would not have been authorized to make that call.

Also, he is on record saying that when he said 'pull it' he was speaking of the fire fighters who were working on controlling the fire. The loss of life that happened already caused him to ask them to be removed.

This stuff is getting boring. At least come up with an entertaining conspiracy theory.

[ScottFromGA]

I hate dumb fucks that dont do any research or challenge the mainstream media.

Look into the shit before you shoot your mouth off - youre embarrasing yourselves.

Stop doing and thinking what you are told.

Ronnie B would be dissapointed in you dumb fucks.

911 was an inside job.
its obvious.

ae911truth.org - all architects and engineers who say the official 911 stories were bullshit.

wearechange.org - an organization committed to honoring the memories of those lost by exposing the truth.

THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE GET OFF YOUR ASS AND FREE YOUR MIND.

THE TRUTH CAN BE SCARY - DONT BE AFRAID ANYMORE.

The "we" is the question.

All we know is that it didnt go down the way it was told to us and there was a coverup.

FURTHERMAN - with all due respect answer me this...
How did building 7 come down...
Why?
Why did Larry Silverstein (the leaseholder of the WTC complex) say that they decided to "pull" building 7 then have it go down in perfect staged - demolition fashion.

Have you watched "loose change" or "911 in plane sight" or "911 mysteries"?

Have you been to ae911truth.org and seen the testimony of over 700 of our TOP architects (a) and engineers (e) demanding that the glaring inconsistencies of the "official" story be reinvestigated?

I think people use the phrase "hack" way too much...
To the point where it becomes hack...
You feel me?
:smoke:

yeah...just as saying all of the above is just as HACK as using the word HACK.....

you gotttttaaaa beeeeeleeeeeieve, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176/SCOTTFROMGA/finger-baby-1.jpg


and one other thing....how in the hell can WTC7 be a controlled demolishion in the time it took for it to come down....so your telling me that they sent people into a building that had half of its side torn off (there are pictures to prove it) and rigged up the explosives correctly to bring it down? AND did it under the order of the building owner? Come on man, think logically and stop following the sheep....there are a ton of questions that make you go, "Hmmm" about 9/11....but how can SO many things taken place on just one day like the Truthers want us to believe.

[led37zep]

I think people use the phrase "hack" way too much...
To the point where it becomes hack...
You feel me?
:smoke:

oop...nevermind, see your point.

Thanks for setting me straight.

BUSH KNEW!!!!!!!!!

ugh

[underdog]

The "we" is the question.

All we know is that it didnt go down the way it was told to us and there was a coverup.

FURTHERMAN - with all due respect answer me this...
How did building 7 come down...
Why?
Why did Larry Silverstein (the leaseholder of the WTC complex) say that they decided to "pull" building 7 then have it go down in perfect staged - demolition fashion.

Have you watched "loose change" or "911 in plane sight" or "911 mysteries"?

Have you been to ae911truth.org and seen the testimony of over 700 of our TOP architects (a) and engineers (e) demanding that the glaring inconsistencies of the "official" story be reinvestigated?

Good job not actually answering the question that was asked.

[Furtherman]

FURTHERMAN - with all due respect answer me this...
How did building 7 come down...
Why?

into a building that had half of its side torn off (there are pictures to prove it)

Building 7 went down because there was considerable damage done to the building. Including a raging fire that caused the collapse.

http://www.septclues.com/PICTURES%20sept%20clues%20research/wtc7southwestcorner%20damage.jpg


You behavior is not unlike those who claim Kennedy was shot by someone on "the grassy knoll", whereas with just a little research today, you can see how Oswald was the lone shooter.

[Kublakhan61]

Bohemian Grove!! The Federal Reserve!!

[fezident]

Something that bothers me about 911 conspiracy theorists is when they say "the buildings came down in a manner consistent with a professional demolition". "It looked like a professional demolition!"

That always bugged me. To me.... it's a nonsensical statement.


It'd be like watching a video of a family in a speeding car, crashing into brick wall, and everybody inside goes head-first through the windshield..... and you'd say "that looks like a professional accident. That footage looks like every crash-test-dummy footage I've ever seen!"

Yes, you're right. It does. And???

Car crash videos are supposed to mimic a real life crash. That's by design.

A building demolition, is set by professional construction/demo experts who use explosives. These explosives cause certain conditions that weaken and compromise the building's intergrity... causing it to collapse.
On 9/11, the integrity of the buildings were compromised. They collapsed. So, yeah, it looked like every building collapse you've ever seen. Exactly.

[sr71blackbird]

And the conspiracy people keep referring to eyewitness' who reported hearing "explosions". Any loud sound to a shook up person is going to sound like an "explosion". Its part of what happens to a combat veteran. Its why vets generally do not enjoy 4th of July celebrations.

[sr71blackbird]

The conspricists mind only latches onto a few key words and they are incapable of seeing the bigger picture. They have a mental defect and it limits their perception. I am not trying to be insulting either. This is the perfect example of how this latching onto those key words causes this imaginary flower to bloom

[benjamin]

The conspricists mind only latches onto a few key words and they are incapable of seeing the bigger picture. They have a mental defect and it limits their perception. I am not trying to be insulting either. This is the perfect example of how this latching onto those key words causes this imaginary flower to bloom

Bullshit.
You do what you are told and believe what you are told to believe.
Go look at my links...
Watch the movies...
There are many unanswered questions.
ae911.org - ALL LEADING SCIENTISTS AND ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS WHO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE OFFICIAL STORY.

LOOK AT THE INFORMATION PEOPLE!

SHIT!

[benjamin]

http://www.septclues.com/PICTURES%20sept%20clues%20research/wtc7southwestcorner%20damage.jpg


You behavior is not unlike those who claim Kennedy was shot by someone on "the grassy knoll", whereas with just a little research today, you can see how Oswald was the lone shooter.

First building in the history of the world to fall? And it was due to a few minor fires? And minimal (if any) damage to the structural core?

Do me me a favor Einstein.

ae911truth.org - peruse thru what experts in their respective fields think.

[TheMojoPin]

First building in the history of the world to fall?

What?

And it was due to a few minor fires? And minimal (if any) damage to the structural core?

It's amazing what you can make yourself believe when you blatantly lie like that.

The fires weren't "minor." The sprinkler system didn't work anywhere near what could have helped due to electrical issue from the damage and the low water pressure and many areas of the building was unable to work at all. The building itself sustained significant and critical damage (more than ten floors' worth) on the side (especially the corner) facing the North Tower as the latter building collapsed.

Do me me a favor Einstein.

I just did.

You're lying and claiming the people are saying that only fires brought down WTC 7. They didn't. What brought it down were the disel-fueled fires coupled with THE GIGANTIC FUCKING SKYSCRAPER ACROSS THE STREET THAT COLLAPSED.

Is that clear enough for you? No need to spin or twist anything to send you scurrying back to your "Truther" sites. Nobody is claiming only "minor fires" brought the building down. The fire damage only contributed to the main cause: significant structural damage caused by the collapse of the North Tower. (http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=5#wtc7)

NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse.

According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down."

There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building's other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities.

Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time."

WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors — along with the building's unusual construction — were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse.

[Furtherman]

First building in the history of the world to fall? And it was due to a few minor fires? And minimal (if any) damage to the structural core?

Do me me a favor Einstein.

ae911truth.org - peruse thru what experts in their respective fields think.

Minimal? Up to 18 stories scooped out is minimal?

Everyone is an Einstein compared to your reading comprehension.

As for experts on this subject?

Please, read, learn, and put your fears to rest.

Claim: Seven hours after the two towers fell, the 47-story WTC 7 collapsed. According to 911review.org: "The video clearly shows that it was not a collapse subsequent to a fire, but rather a controlled demolition: amongst the Internet investigators, the jury is in on this one."

FACT: Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom — approximately 10 stories — about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner.

NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse.

Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report
Popular Mechanics examines the evidence and consults the experts to refute the most persistent conspiracy theories of September 11. (http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=1)

And your "Einstein" quip reads your mind like child's book - large, bold lettering that spells out simple phrases and ideas, in which you are grasping for to give meaning to such an unbelievable event.

[TheMojoPin]

Beat you to it, Ferdinand.

That Popular Mechanics report is fantastic.

[Furtherman]

Beat you to it, Ferdinand.

That Popular Mechanics report is fantastic.

Our attempts to educate will most likely go in vain.

He shant read the PM article.

He shall solidify his fears.

His eyes will be shifty as he repeats "Inside job!" to the dwindling number of rubes who actually believe.

[TheMojoPin]

It's ironic that Truthers almost across the board fall way to the Left, but they're essentially Bush supporters since their theories hinge on Bush and Co. being these brilliant, all-knowing supervillains that can pull of something this huge so perfectly.

[tele7]

If it was an inside job, why wouldn't "they" just rig the bottom floors to implode instead of starting at the top. It just makes more sense from a physics standpoint. I'd love to hear their wacky explaination for that one.

[Servo]

Also, why take down WTC7 at all, 7 hours after the event?

[Judge Smails]

Also, why take down WTC7 at all, 7 hours after the event?

Who knows why the Jews do anything?

[Servo]

Who knows why the Jews do anything?

Good point, good point.

[Gvac]

Who knows why the Jews do anything?

Money?

[benjamin]

MOJO PIN I meant first steel building to ever fall from fire in the history of the world.

I have read the article by popular mechanics and it itself has been debunked, Pal!

SADLY NONE OF YOU WILL CHECK OUT THE WEBSITE!

ae911TRUTH.ORG


WTC Building #7, a 47-story high-rise not hit by an airplane, exhibits all the characteristics of a classic controlled demolition with explosives: (and some non-standard characteristics)
1. Rapid onset of “collapse”
2. Sounds of explosions at ground floor - a full second prior to collapse
3. Symmetrical “collapse” – through the path of greatest resistance – at free-fall acceleration
4. Imploded, collapsing completely, and landed mostly in its own footprint
5. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds
6. Several tons of molten metal reported by numerous highly-qualified witnesses
7. Chemical signature of Thermite (high tech incendiary) found in solidified molten metal, and dust samples by physics professor Steven Jones, PhD.
8. FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples
9. Expert corroboration from the top European Controlled Demolition professional
10. Fore-knowledge of “collapse” by media, NYPD, FDNY

And exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e.
1. Slow onset with large visible deformations
2. Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, to the side most damaged by the fires)
3. Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
4. High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never “collapsed”.

This is not a 'collapse', it is an explosion!

http://www.ae911truth.org/images/explo2.jpg
As seen in this revealing photo, the Twin Towers' destruction exhibited all the characteristics of destruction by explosives: (and some non-standard characteristics)
1. Destruction proceeds through the path of greatest resistance at nearly free-fall acceleration
2. Improbable symmetry of debris distribution
3. Extremely rapid onset of destruction
4. Over 100 first responders reported explosions and flashes
5. Multi-ton steel sections ejected laterally 600 ft at 60 mph
6. Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete & metal decking
7. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds
8. 1200-foot-dia. debris field: no "pancaked" floors found
9. Isolated explosive ejections 20 – 40 stories below demolition front
10. Total building destruction: dismemberment of steel frame
11. Several tons of molten metal found under all 3 high-rises
12. Evidence of thermite incendiaries found by FEMA in steel samples
13. Evidence of explosives found in dust samples
14. No precedent for steel-framed high-rise collapse due to fire

And exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e.
1. Slow onset with large visible deformations
2. Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, intact, from the point of plane impact, to the side most damaged by the fires)
3. Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
4. High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never “collapsed”


MY LAST POST ON THE SUBJECT TILL AT LEAST ONE PERSON LOOKS AT THE WEBSITE OR THE VIDEOS I'VE RECOOMENDED.

[benjamin]

911 IN PLANE SIGHT

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LOOSE CHANGE
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911MYSTERIES
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alex jones 911 and the road to tyranny
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SHOULD PROBABLY OPEN SOMEONES EYES

[IMSlacker]

MY LAST POST ON THE SUBJECT TILL AT LEAST ONE PERSON LOOKS AT THE WEBSITE OR THE VIDEOS I'VE RECOOMENDED.

If you lied about this, how can we believe anything else you've posted?

[keithy_19]

911 IN PLANE SIGHT

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LOOSE CHANGE
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911MYSTERIES
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alex jones 911 and the road to tyranny
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SHOULD PROBABLY OPEN SOMEONES EYES

I researched this. I watched the videos. I watched the events as they unfolded. I watched the plane go right into the floor where my father had close friends. I watched not knowing if my dad who worked a few blocks away was visiting his friends in the towers like he usually did on Tuesdays. I watched them on replay for a month.

Guess what? Your claims are bullshit. Your videos are propaganda. Bullshit propaganda that gets retooled everytime it is debunked. Come to terms that some fucked up people did some really fucked up things and that it was that and that alone.

[GregoryJoseph]

Sometimes I think we disregard conspiracy theories too easily. We tend to like things wrapped up in a neat, tidy little package and if someone is willing to give that to us, we're more than willing to accept it.

More than likely the truth lies somewhere between the two extremes of the "official" story and the theorized one.

[underdog]

LOOSE CHANGE
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Which version of Loose Change is this? Seeing that they've had to edit it about a hundred times now because their "proof" keeps getting proved wrong, I'm just wondering if you have the newest version yet.

And I post this knowing that you probably won't reply to this, and if you actually do, you'll probably post an answer that has nothing to do with what I posted.

[underdog]

Sometimes I think we disregard conspiracy theories too easily. We tend to like things wrapped up in a neat, tidy little package and if someone is willing to give that to us, we're more than willing to accept it.

More than likely the truth lies somewhere between the two extremes of the "official" story and the theorized one.

Oh, shut the fuck up already.

[GregoryJoseph]

Oh, shut the fuck up already.

I don't understand where your anger comes from.

[underdog]

I don't understand where your anger comes from.

Booze, mainly.

[GregoryJoseph]

I will admit that I find the opening screen of this "documentary" to be hilarious in its irony

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/TheQuestion202/FinalCut.jpg

[benjamin]

Which version of Loose Change is this? Seeing that they've had to edit it about a hundred times now because their "proof" keeps getting proved wrong, I'm just wondering if you have the newest version yet.

And I post this knowing that you probably won't reply to this, and if you actually do, you'll probably post an answer that has nothing to do with what I posted.

3rd version if i'm not mistaken.

[sr71blackbird]

Amazing that Bush, who was depicted as a total moron and neaderthal, could convince the military and whoever els was involved in this plot to carry it out in full view of the public eye, being videotaped all all directions at once, and no one has splilled the beans about this tremendously complicated plot. Not one person has come forward to announce being involved in this plot. Maybe Bush was much smarter than he is given credit for, huh? If so, it staggers the mind.

[ScottFromGA]

agreed.

[JimBeam]

MY LAST POST ON THE SUBJECT TILL AT LEAST ONE PERSON LOOKS AT THE WEBSITE OR THE VIDEOS I'VE RECOOMENDED.

I love that line.

Like I or anybody here gives a sh*t if you continue to post on the subject.

Like you have the truth and you will not give it to us unless we go and provide some hits to a website to which you seem to have some kind of fascination.

You keep reffering to those sites like the obnoxious spam emails or popups one would get about making $5,000 a day from home.

I do not have the level of familiarity with all of the research that most of these guys seem to have but in laymans terms I think your a bit off.

[ScottFromGA]

In the process of watching this Loose Change shit as we speak......I love how they've made adjustments to debunk the debunking...its so funny.


the only question I've ever had was on Flight 93...I honestly believe that conspiracy is correct and that the story is completely fabricated. I still feel that it was shot down.

[hanso]

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c343/urbanesmala/1184477567682.jpg
1 more thing to look at.

[sr71blackbird]

Like I said, just try to imagine the extent of such a cover up. If no ones talking, then someone had absolute control of all parties involved. There is just no way that that many people would stay silent. Someone would brag in a bar, to a family member or friend, and someone would have leaked it. Much smaller operations than this have had leaks. You are talking about an attack on our own country, by Americans, on Americans, and since there is no way that anyone could have known who was going to be in there, and let alone on the Pentagon itself, I seriously doubt anyone in any military branch would involve themselves in this. If we had that capability to carry out such a covert operation on our own soil, why they hell cant we get Bin Ladin? Its just impossible. Picture that Iraqi prison, and the woman who abused those prisoners. That was leaked. Just think it though and youll see its too complicated to keep under wraps.

[benjamin]

Flame the noob!
Wow, just trying to bring something to the table!

[KnoxHarrington]

In the process of watching this Loose Change shit as we speak......I love how they've made adjustments to debunk the debunking...its so funny.


the only question I've ever had was on Flight 93...I honestly believe that conspiracy is correct and that the story is completely fabricated. I still feel that it was shot down.

Covering up shooting down Flight 93 doesn't make sense to me, because I don't see what the point of lying about it would be. After what had just happened, there would have been no vast outcry against shooting it down -- I think pretty much everyone would have understood. And it doesn't really lessen the heroism of the story, or remove any of the blame from the hijackers either.

I know that shenanigans have been played with some things, like the blatant lies told about what happened to Pat Tighlman, but I don't think this is one of those cases.

[ScottFromGA]

not being all nutty like Benjamin and the rest of the tinfoil kooks, I just never really understood all the lack of plane damage on the ground from Flight 93.....I mean, it just isn't there. The impact area, from pictures and video of just a few hours after the whichever happened, (Crash/Shotdown/Brought Down), there was a crater....some stuff in the crater...stuff spread out all over the place...but nothing else really all that big left. I mean, I'm not saying it to the extent like the Pentagon nay-sayers....but there just wasn't much there in the impact area.


but as far as the spun story, it can make perfect sense to say "The people on the plane ROSE up and fought against the Terrorist" to help the American people feel better. At first it wouldn't have been a problem to take down a plane, but after a while...much like when theres an execution of a killer, your gonna have those people that are gonna stand up and raise hell while saying there was a better way than shooting our own American people out of the sky.

I'm not saying this is what happened, but its not really that far-fetched of an idea or a probable theory......its the only one that I do question out of all this 9/11 stuff.

[sr71blackbird]

In the popular mechanics video, they show quite a lot of Pentagon plane debris. I saw a website that showed it all too.

[ScottFromGA]

In the popular mechanics video, they show quite a lot of Pentagon plane debris. I saw a website that showed it all too.

yea I know, that was my point. When I say the Nay-sayers of the Pentagon crash, they were the ones saying that it wasn't a plane with all the "lack" of debris. I've seen the website with all the bodies and pictures of debris.


maybe I should've worded that differently....:wacko:

[underdog]

Flame the noob!
Wow, just trying to bring something to the table!

It has nothing to do with you being a "noob".

[Gvac]

Flame the noob!
Wow, just trying to bring something to the table!

I think it's no fault of your own that 9/11 stirs such passion in people. I don't think anyone who wasn't living in the NYC or DC metro area at the time can ever relate to the attacks on the level that we do.

It was horrifying and devastating, and really took a piece out of everyone that had to experience them.

[ScottFromGA]

I live in Georgia, obviously, and I can never understand how it must felt to see everything that day cause I wasn't there, but after seeing it all unfold live after seeing the 2nd plane hit and seeing all the other emotions changed me forever. I was only 18 at the time....

....but to completely try and put a shadow over the deaths of so many people on the planes, jumping from buildings and other things is completely wrong.


I couldn't be a New Yorkers or just a visitor and see one of these assholes spouting their shit....I'd be locked up for sure.

[ScottFromGA]

i just finished Loose Change - The Final Cut....and I just realized one thing.


if this was a movie and none of it really happened....this would be one kickass movie!

and when i mean none of it really happened, I mean the events of 9/11...not the rest of that drivel.

[sr71blackbird]

The people who made Loose Change and the others who are trying to cook up a conspiracy were motivated by their hatred fir Bush, and their attempt was to make it seem as if he and the military cooked this up as a justification to invade Iraq. Many people felt that Bush's rege at Iraq was because of the attempted assasination if his father, and so they imagine this scenario where Bush and the military get together and devise this plan. They picture the military convincing him that this is justified because the mid east is a powder keg and if we had a reason to have a presence there (the Iraq war), we would have our foot in the door to squash whatever gets stirred ip there. It's logical. Plus, it enables the military to dupe the slow witted Bush unto the revenge he craved. Again, very logical. But don't forget the human element. People love to brag, and that attack would make for big time bragging rights. You might be able to convince a few people to keep their mouths shut, but something on that level, with all the demolition people that would have had to swoop in and set this up perfect, the missile in the Pentagon, all that stuff, would need hundreds of people to pull off.

[benjamin]

I think it's no fault of your own that 9/11 stirs such passion in people. I don't think anyone who wasn't living in the NYC or DC metro area at the time can ever relate to the attacks on the level that we do.

It was horrifying and devastating, and really took a piece out of everyone that had to experience them.

Fair enuff.
Being a guy from sacramento I never will be able to understand what it was like for those in the NY / DC area.
I meant no disrespect.

[Gvac]

Fair enuff.
Being a guy from sacramento I never will be able to understand what it was like for those in the NY / DC area.
I meant no disrespect.

I understand completely. It's hard to imagine what it's like wondering if your family or friends were burned to death or had to jump 110 stories to their death, and not knowing for sure for days on end.

I guess that's why we joke about catastrophes in other countries; we really can't relate.

I didn't mean to beat you up. Just saying I don't think the two sides can really comprehend the other.

[sr71blackbird]

I guess it's like when we New Yorkers gear news about an earthquake in California. We see the bridges and elevated roadways collapse and we can kind of imagine it, but our own lives were not effected by needing to find new ways around, or friends and loved ones lost. It's good we talk about this stuff, it helps get another perspective.

[JimBeam]

Covering up shooting down Flight 93 doesn't make sense to me, because I don't see what the point of lying about it would be. After what had just happened, there would have been no vast outcry against shooting it down -- I think pretty much everyone would have understood. And it doesn't really lessen the heroism of the story, or remove any of the blame from the hijackers either.

The only possible reason I could see for them having to lie about shooting the flight down is because of the possible moral/legal issues that could arise from the gov't shooting down a plane filled with it's own citizens.

Even though we all realize it to be a valid option, say in the case of another possible attack on a high rise, it's one thing to be an ousider and another to be the family member of a person on that plane.

Also while it may be a viable scenario from a logistics standpoint that doesn't mean it couldn't be challenged, after the fact, legally.

[sr71blackbird]

I think that the conspiracists have the belief that we would do that to our own people under the ruise that their plan needed to be hammered home into the minds of the US population so that the terrosit activity that day can be blamed on the terrorists and thus justify the military involvement in Iraq and Afghanastan. It is within the realm of possibility that a country might do such a thing as a rational for going to war, but I do not feel that we could so completely pull that off without it becoming aparant that we caused it. The wiring of occupied buildings with explosives, timing those explosives to go off after planes hit the buildings. Wouldn't a wired building begin detonanting and imploding after an airliner impact?

[fezident]

TONIGHT!

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/9-11-science-and-conspiracy-4067/Overview

[underdog]

TONIGHT!

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/9-11-science-and-conspiracy-4067/Overview

Thanks for the heads up. I will be recording this.

[keithy_19]

TONIGHT!

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/9-11-science-and-conspiracy-4067/Overview

I would LOVE to punch Richard Gage in the throught and make Dylan Avery choke on his own shit.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/dylan_avery_big.jpg

He just looks like someone who should be hit.

[Gvac]

I tried to watch the conspiracy special on Nat Geo last night but I fell asleep about 20 minutes in.

What was the conclusion?

[underdog]

I would LOVE to punch Richard Gage in the throught and make Dylan Avery choke on his own shit.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/dylan_avery_big.jpg

He just looks like someone who should be hit.

He's so punchable looking.

I tried to watch the conspiracy special on Nat Geo last night but I fell asleep about 20 minutes in.

What was the conclusion?

National Geographic would prove parts of the conspiracy wrong or impossible, and the douchebags would just act like it didn't or find some random fault. They have their whole careers based on this conspiracy. You're not changing their mind.

[keithy_19]

Appears Van Jones found something appealing about 'truthers'...

[benjamin]

lot of smart people question the official story:

the awful truth the media hides - highly credible people question 911 (http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-awful-truth-the-media-hides-highly-credible-people-question-911.html)

[jauble]

lot of smart people question the official story:

the awful truth the media hides - highly credible people question 911 (http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-awful-truth-the-media-hides-highly-credible-people-question-911.html)

I lived in Ohio when I was at school, anything that has Dennis Kucinich on it I disregard.

[TheMojoPin]

lot of smart people question the official story:

the awful truth the media hides - highly credible people question 911 (http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-awful-truth-the-media-hides-highly-credible-people-question-911.html)

And...?

A bunch of people saying "that doesn't seem right to me" without the ability for them to prove or even argue convincingly for their points (if they even have specific points, which most of them don't outside of "that doesn't seem right to me") doesn't amount to squat. Their credentials also don't mean squat if, again, they cannot construct even a basic argument to counter the primary theory, which can be backed, supported and argued by a mountain of evidence, though I'm sure you'll get to the next step very quickly, which is dismissing the evidence as being "planted" or "manufactured" or "lies" or whatever allows you to completely sidestep the basic and necessary foundations of creating a workable counter-theory.

[underdog]

lot of smart people question the official story:

the awful truth the media hides - highly credible people question 911 (http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-awful-truth-the-media-hides-highly-credible-people-question-911.html)

Even more smart people don't.

[benjamin]

And...?

A bunch of people saying "that doesn't seem right to me" without the ability for them to prove or even argue convincingly for their points (if they even have specific points, which most of them don't outside of "that doesn't seem right to me") doesn't amount to squat. Their credentials also don't mean squat if, again, they cannot construct even a basic argument to counter the primary theory, which can be backed, supported and argued by a mountain of evidence, though I'm sure you'll get to the next step very quickly, which is dismissing the evidence as being "planted" or "manufactured" or "lies" or whatever allows you to completely sidestep the basic and necessary foundations of creating a workable counter-theory.

thats an ad hominem attack

[TheMojoPin]

thats an ad hominem attack

No, it's not. I'm not attacking the people in that link; I'm arguing against their lack of argument in this matter. Who they are and their credentials are irrelevant since they don't have any kind of viable counter-theory or case beyond vague statements that "things don't seem right" to them. It might as well be Joe Shmo off the street saying the same thing.

[Furtherman]

lot of smart people question the official story:

the awful truth the media hides - highly credible people question 911 (http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-awful-truth-the-media-hides-highly-credible-people-question-911.html)

C'mon. Prison Planet is the equivalent of an evil mastermind's web page in some cheesy Bond-type B movie.

[Furtherman]

Why People Believe in Conspiracies (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-people-believe-in-conspiracies)

But as former Nixon aide G. Gordon Liddy once told me (and he should know!), the problem with government conspiracies is that bureaucrats are incompetent and people can’t keep their mouths shut. Complex conspiracies are difficult to pull off, and so many people want their quarter hour of fame that even the Men in Black couldn’t squelch the squealers from spilling the beans. So there’s a good chance that the more elaborate a conspiracy theory is, and the more people that would need to be involved, the less likely it is true.

[benjamin]

why did NORAD stand down?

wake up.

[tele7]

why did NORAD stand down?

wake up.

Give it a fucking rest already!!!

We get it!

For fuck sake!!

:wallbash:

[TheMojoPin]

But I'm so sleeeeeeeeeeeepy from all my time at the gymmmmmmmmmmmm!!!

[TheMojoPin]

why did NORAD stand down?

wake up.

This is best addressed in this part of this article (http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/08/norad200608?currentPage=5) (though the entire article is an excellent read).

The long and short of it is they had no time to do anything about the first three planes because nobody had any real idea where they were until it was too late. NORAD was not "standing down" in no way, shape or form during all of that. They were able to pinpoint Flight 93 and were prepared to shoot it down if authorization was given, but that ultimately became unecessary when the plane crashed before reaching DC.

This is not to say that the NORAD's performance that day was as one would have hoped, nor was there not attempts to cover that up after the fact. The events of 9/11 represent a failure of NORAD's basic existence and as such people were scrambling to cover their butts. The basic conclusion is that NORAD failed, period. Saying they were ordered to stand down might make you feel better, but that's not the truth. The truth is they were unable to deal with this.

[Furtherman]

why did NORAD stand down?

wake up.

You're not IN on anything. You're not smarter, and you're not trying to open people's eyes.

You're just uneducated.

[benjamin]

You're not IN on anything. You're not smarter, and you're not trying to open people's eyes.

You're just uneducated.

thats just silly.

[benjamin]

Give it a fucking rest already!!!

We get it!

For fuck sake!!

:wallbash:

sorry.
i never realized you were so upset.
what else can i do for you?
:smile:

[Furtherman]

thats just silly.

Silly is an excellent description of what you're claiming as facts.

[JimBeam]

Hey I heard that Charlie Sheen had some opinion on this subject the other day and that he also has convincing evidence that it was a vast conspiracy.

Who are we to disgree with the star of Scary Movie 4 ?

[Furtherman]

Sheen has years of guilt he's trying to channel out of his ego, so he's latched onto this like a barnacle on a boat in order to quiet the screams of "You're a coked up hooker beater!", only to replaced with "Yea! You're right Charlie! It HAD to be an inside job!"

Considering he has a highly rated show and he's one of the highest paid actors on TV, he really should shut the fuck up.

[TheMojoPin]

Mimes did 9/11.

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[ToiletCrusher]

silly non linked sig fool.

Also, that mime made me scared.

Not so much of the events he depicted rather by his lack of using a voice.

[keithy_19]

thats just silly.

You're such a tool. An ignorant jackass of a person.

I like to respect people's opinions whether or not I agree with them, but you ignore every FACT that is pointed out to you.

[vjr97]

:drunk: its ok to look at these videos w/ our eyes wide open.however after seeing many of them.IT WASNT AN INSIDE JOB!!!!!!!! all the planes had to do was weaken the structure of the towers.floor after floor just fell on top of the other.

[keithy_19]

:drunk: its ok to look at these videos w/ our eyes wide open.however after seeing many of them.IT WASNT AN INSIDE JOB!!!!!!!! all the planes had to do was weaken the structure of the towers.floor after floor just fell on top of the other.

Shh. Stop thinking logically.

[underdog]

but you ignore every FACT that is pointed out to you.

They all do.

[ScottFromGA]

why did NORAD stand down?

wake up.

go ahead, Ben-Jamin....tell us why NORAD stood down?


you know....I'm pretty sure you and your truthers were in on the information as it was given.

[mendyweiss]

go ahead, Ben-Jamin....tell us why NORAD stood down?


you know....I'm pretty sure you and your truthers were in on the information as it was given.

You can't spell NORAD without RONDA, enough said !

[Tall_James]

I find it hilarious that the 911 Conspiracy Theorists keep bringing up this guy, who was onsite at the WTC, as a CIA plant:

http://sp4.fotolog.com/photo/36/54/65/oo_ppgs_oo/1243957275873_f.jpg

Crab juice, indeed.

[booster11373]

I find it hilarious that the 911 Conspiracy Theorists keep bringing up this guy, who was onsite at the WTC, as a CIA plant:

http://sp4.fotolog.com/photo/36/54/65/oo_ppgs_oo/1243957275873_f.jpg

Crab juice, indeed.

And why was the north tower mens room closed?

[SHANEFROMGA]

You can't spell NORAD without RONDA, enough said !

help me ronda, get her outta my heart......
i just watched a few conspiracy vids on youtube, damn it i'm a nut now!!!!

[keithy_19]

My gf is out in California. She was watching the news and was sickened that there was hardly a mention of 9/11.

[ScottFromGA]

sad that people forget so quickly....


it's more sad that you got people like Ben here that throw a shadow over the whole meaning of the day.....


i'd like to kick a Truther right in the nuts while he was wearing his nerdy beanie cap, MAaaaaaaAAANaAAAaANn!

[keithy_19]

sad that people forget so quickly....


it's more sad that you got people like Ben here that throw a shadow over the whole meaning of the day.....


i'd like to kick a Truther right in the nuts while he was wearing his nerdy beanie cap, MAaaaaaaAAANaAAAaANn!

Thank you. I would gladly spend a night in jail for getting into an altercation with one of them.

[Crispy123]

msnbc is doing a replay of the news from 9/11 "as it happened". some crazy shit. the video of the towers falling still doesnt look like any explosion. The newscasters do have some confusion that morning about the pentagon if it was a bomb or plane. I was stationed in newburgh, ny on 9/11 and i didnt have a tv only a radio so this is weird for me.

[TheMojoPin]

My gf is out in California. She was watching the news and was sickened that there was hardly a mention of 9/11.

What is a news program supposed to do besides "hardly mention it" or make a brief recognition of it? That it's 9/11 Day is not news in and of itself.

[ozzie]

What is a news program supposed to do besides "hardly mention it" or make a brief recognition of it? That it's 9/11 Day is not news in and of itself.

After watching several news channels yesterday, it seems that after 8 years, it's recognition seems to now be about the equivalent of the news we get every December 7th.

[TheMojoPin]

After watching several news channels yesterday, it seems that after 8 years, it's recognition seems to now be about the equivalent of the news we get every December 7th.

What more is it supposed to be? It's the news, not "hey, remember that day?"

Obviously, it was a huge event, but at some point news programs have to move on from it and cannot devote significant chunks of their broadcast time to it. Extensive coverage remembering 9/11 year after year is not news. Of course, there's plenty of other garbage they cover that isn't news that I wish they'd move away from, but it's pretty melodramatic for someone to be "sickened" because a news program or channel doesn't devote all or most of their programming to 9/11 on 9/11. If people are so desperate for that they could have turned on the History Channel since that was all-9/11 all day.

[ozzie]

What more is it supposed to be? It's the news, not "hey, remember that day?"

Obviously, it was a huge event, but at some point news programs have to move on from it and cannot devote significant chunks of their broadcast time to it. Extensive coverage remembering 9/11 year after year is not news. Of course, there's plenty of other garbage they cover that isn't news that I wish they'd move away from, but it's pretty melodramatic for someone to be "sickened" because a news program or channel doesn't devote all or most of their programming to 9/11 on 9/11. If people are so desperate for that they could have turned on the History Channel since that was all-9/11 all day.

Whoa, slow down there cowboy. I didn't say it was supposed to be any more. In fact, if anything, my intention was to show that it was now being reported as a similar day of rememberance.

[TheMojoPin]

Whoa, slow down there cowboy. I didn't say it was supposed to be any more. In fact, if anything, my intention was to show that it was now being reported as a similar day of rememberance.

I was referring more to the other people commenting about getting "sickened" or "how soon everyone forgets" in this thread.

[Furtherman]

My gf is out in California. She was watching the news and was sickened that there was hardly a mention of 9/11.

California is on fire, a bit more of a pressing matter.

[keithy_19]

I don't need the news channels to devote the entire day to it. But, I think it would be nice to have spots where they acknowledge it. A bump going into a commercial that has an 'always remember' message or something like that. I think that would be a good thing to do, especially considering it hasn't even been a decade since it happened.

[TheMojoPin]

I don't need the news channels to devote the entire day to it. But, I think it would be nice to have spots where they acknowledge it. A bump going into a commercial that has an 'always remember' message or something like that. I think that would be a good thing to do, especially considering it hasn't even been a decade since it happened.

I'd be stunned if a major news program didn't do that. I highly doubt your girlfriend was "sickened" by a news program that didn't mention 9/11 at all on 9/11.

[keithy_19]

I'd be stunned if a major news program didn't do that. I highly doubt your girlfriend was "sickened" by a news program that didn't mention 9/11 at all on 9/11.

They were focusing on the theft of Andy Warhol artwork. Fair enough, I guess.

[TheMojoPin]

They were focusing on the theft of Andy Warhol artwork. Fair enough, I guess.

I'm confused: do you want there to just be a mention or do you want it to be the focus?

[PapaBear]

Where are these news channels that didn't mention 9/11 yesterday? Certainly not on TV.

[keithy_19]

Where are these news channels that didn't mention 9/11 yesterday? Certainly not on TV.

In LA. I understand that local news stations wouldn't spend the day showing footage and praising the relief efforts and remembering all those who died. But I think that they should show something.

[WampusCrandle]

i'm obsessed with 9/11 terrorists on a smaller scale.

http://gal.darkervision.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/terrorist-cat.thumbnail.jpg

jihadishly cute.

[tele7]

i'm obsessed with 9/11 terrorists on a smaller scale.

http://gal.darkervision.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/terrorist-cat.thumbnail.jpg

jihadishly cute.

648 virgins! Jihadishly awesome!

[TheMojoPin]

In LA. I understand that local news stations wouldn't spend the day showing footage and praising the relief efforts and remembering all those who died. But I think that they should show something.

This didn't happen. There's not a major news program in America that didn't somehow mention 9/11 on 9/11. You honestly think some would go out of their way to do that?

[Kublakhan61]

My gf is out in California. She was watching the news and was sickened that there was hardly a mention of 9/11.

Girls talk. It's your job to distill the facts, not to perpetuate silly chatter.

[Furtherman]

In LA. I understand that local news stations wouldn't spend the day showing footage and praising the relief efforts and remembering all those who died. But I think that they should show something.

Your girlfriend watched 10 minutes of TV, didn't see anything mentioning 9-11, told you, and now you think all of LA ignored the fact that it was eight years since the attack.

That's Fox News 101 right there... 'atta boy keithy, Beck would be proud.

[vjr97]

its a real shame. over 2,900 people died.it was an actack on america and the things we stand for.it should be all over the news.+in fairness u dont hear much about the tim mcvie attack that killed children in east coast news

[JimBeam]

I don't really recall hearing much about the Oklahoma City bombing in the last few years.

Was that the same day as Columbine ?

4/20 ?

I know there were a fraction of the number of people killed in Oklahoma City compared to the 9/11 attacks but I still think it should hold as much national relevance.

[Lady Resin]

I don't really recall hearing much about the Oklahoma City bombing in the last few years.

Was that the same day as Columbine ?

4/20 ?

I know there were a fraction of the number of people killed in Oklahoma City compared to the 9/11 attacks but I still think it should hold as much national relevance.

Yes. It was the anniversary of Hitlers birthday. Waco & Oklahoma was 4/19.

[sr71blackbird]

THIS (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_oklahoma_bombing_video) story actually makes me wonder what may have been covered up in the Oklahoma bombing. I find it very odd that all at the same time, all critical security footage goes blank. This is all in the minutes before the bomb goes off and then they all come back on minutes later. Either the Feds were hiding evidence or the plotters took these cameras into consideration and sabotaged them. I doubt it though.

[JimBeam]

I just started a thread about the Oklahoma City story.