i saw a dead body this week...

[topless_mike]

ugh.
body 1: coming home from lbi last wed nite. we saw the body lying in the middle of the road, covered by a sheet. medics standing by it, talking with police. fun. further investigation on my part finds out it was a 19 chick who decided to walk across a 6 lane road.

body 2: this morning, there are 2 ambulances and 2 cops outside my neighbor's (across the street) house. nobody is in a major hurry. they bring her down on this orange thing. not a gurney, it looked more like a quilt. her hands were in the customary hands on chest/fingers crossed position. she didnt move once, and when the medics loaded her into the bus, they were in no hurry to leave. the granddaughter didnt seem upset, but got into her car and followed them.

whilst i cannot confirm #2 and dead and bloated, the lack of movement/hurry to go anywhere leads me to believe.

[Malmö]

I believe things come in threes, be careful out there.

[Fallon]

ugh.
body 1: coming home from lbi last wed nite. we saw the body lying in the middle of the road, covered by a sheet. medics standing by it, talking with police. fun. further investigation on my part finds out it was a 19 chick who decided to walk across a 6 lane road.

body 2: this morning, there are 2 ambulances and 2 cops outside my neighbor's (across the street) house. nobody is in a major hurry. they bring her down on this orange thing. not a gurney, it looked more like a quilt. her hands were in the customary hands on chest/fingers crossed position. she didnt move once, and when the medics loaded her into the bus, they were in no hurry to leave. the granddaughter didnt seem upset, but got into her car and followed them.

whilst i cannot confirm #2 and dead and bloated, the lack of movement/hurry to go anywhere leads me to believe.

Are you a suspect in these serial murders?

[biggirl]

I would be so depressed.

[biggestmexi]

ive seen a 7/8th dead body crushed in a building that was torn down from a tornado in a small city that was declared a national disaster.

[JerseyRich]

http://allaboutadvocacy.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/movie_i_see_dead_people.jpg

[boosterp]

A big part of my PTSD comes from the dead and dying that I had to deal with in the military. Death can be peaceful but it can also be really ugly and leave it's imprint on your brain.

[biggirl]

A big part of my PTSD comes from the dead and dying that I had to deal with in the military. Death can be peaceful but it can also be really ugly and leave it's imprint on your brain.


I have only seen peaceful death...I can't imagine what you go through. It hurts me to see movies that have tragic deaths. I am disturbed for weeks.

[sailor]

we saw the aftermath of an accident saturday morning on the shoulder of the sprain. i thought the person was ok, but my wife (less distracted as the passenger) was certain they were dead. there were like 8-10 random cars pulled over on both sides of the parkway to help.

[Justice4all]

Hmm...well I almost saw 8 dead bodies. Me and my girl were standing on the docks in Weehawkin for the ferry to go to NYC and apparently we were there no more then 10 minutes after that plane collided with the helicopter over the hudson. if we had been earlier we would have seen the whole thing

[CountryBob]

I was coming home after work and was behind a conversion van that ran across the other lane into oncoming traffic. The van went over to and stopped in a parking lot and I saw someone moving around behind the wheel. I thought it looked like somebody that dropped a cig in the floor and was trying to pick it up. I went about a mile then turned around thinking that person could be majorly drunk and I needed to check on/call cops if necessary. I went up to the window and the driver was dead as a doornail. He had died holding the brake and the van was still in gear. I will always remember his eyes - they looked like deer eyes after I had shot them during huntin season. Pupils completely dialated - it was wild. I rapped on the window and then opened the door to turn off the van. Somewhere in the back of my mind I expected him to grab me or bite me when I was reaching across him to get the key. Too many scary movies I guess. i stood there and looked at him for a few minutes - it was surreal - life completely zapped out of him in an instant. I called the police and later left - the worst part was dealing with the wife of the driver. The police gave her my number and she called me wanting to know if he said he loved her and etc. I didnt have the heart to tell her that he was dead when I went up to the van but I told her he died while telling me that he loved his wife. I dontknow if that was wrong but it seemed to help her deal.

[instrument]

I live less than a mile from a cemetary.

[earthbrown]

A big part of my PTSD comes from the dead and dying that I had to deal with in the military. Death can be peaceful but it can also be really ugly and leave it's imprint on your brain.

I have often wondered if the instance of PTSD has risen due to societal attitude change?

Before Vietnam, soldiers were brainwashed(for lack of a better term), into thinking of the enemy as nothing more than animals. We portrayed the Japs and Germans as sub-humans who were inferior to us, and thus you should not feel pain in their death.

They used to tell men(soldiers) that they should not cry about death, to be happy that they made it. Now they are offered counseling and outreach told it is ok to cry, here are some xanax and some prozac come back next week.

I have no doubt you saw horrible things, but I think society's attitude has caused PTSD.

[Furtherman]

Yea, I'm sure there were less cases of PTSD before Vietnam.


C'mon. Silly.

[~Katja~]

Yea, I'm sure there were less cases of PTSD before Vietnam.


C'mon. Silly.
I am sure there was, but no name put to it... and honestly neither of my grandparents were medicated after war, and they had been wounded, seen friends and fellow soldiers die and were in russian prison camps for years...

[A.J.]

I have often wondered if the instance of PTSD has risen due to societal attitude change?

Before Vietnam, soldiers were brainwashed(for lack of a better term), into thinking of the enemy as nothing more than animals. We portrayed the Japs and Germans as sub-humans who were inferior to us, and thus you should not feel pain in their death.

They used to tell men(soldiers) that they should not cry about death, to be happy that they made it. Now they are offered counseling and outreach told it is ok to cry, here are some xanax and some prozac come back next week.

I have no doubt you saw horrible things, but I think society's attitude has caused PTSD.

Yea, I'm sure there were less cases of PTSD before Vietnam.


C'mon. Silly.

Actually, he kind of makes a valid point. My grandfather and other World War II vets I knew rarely talked about their war experiences only until later in life. No doubt they my have had some degree of PTSD (before they gave it a name), but it seems a lot of the pre-Vietnam vets just internalized their experiences when they got home.

EDIT: Like Katja described.

[earthbrown]

I am sure there was, but no name put to it... and honestly neither of my grandparents were medicated after war, and they had been wounded, seen friends and fellow soldiers die and were in russian prison camps for years...

Actually, he kind of makes a valid point. My grandfather and other World War II vets I knew rarely talked about their war experiences only until later in life. No doubt they my have had some degree of PTSD (before they gave it a name), but it seems a lot of the pre-Vietnam vets just internalized their experiences when they got home.

EDIT: Like Katja described.

Thank you, I thought I could be out there, but all of the ww2 vetrans I have knows, seemed more well adjusted, now that being said, I understand the ww2 vets I knew had an extra 30 years to cope.

I am sure these wartime experiences effected all generations of warriors, but seems society's view on how they should handle it is different.


K

[topless_mike]

update: neighbor isnt dead, but is in bad shape. granddaughter wouldnt exactly tell me what was the deal, but said its not looking good.

earth-
couple of reasons why its changed.
a) finally identified conditioned. remember, schizophreniacs were considered "possessed" not that long ago
b) yay! drug companies can sell more drugs. to the govt, even !
c) years upon years of pent up emotions can and will cause somebody to snap. bad shit happens when people snap
d) this is not the 50's. men are tough, but not machines. that whole image of "man up you pussy- real men dont cry" has completely outdated itself.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

please change title to Ive seen 1 dead body this week...

and mods please brand T_M with LIAR on his Mod Quote

[earthbrown]

update: neighbor isnt dead, but is in bad shape. granddaughter wouldnt exactly tell me what was the deal, but said its not looking good.

earth-
couple of reasons why its changed.
a) finally identified conditioned. remember, schizophreniacs were considered "possessed" not that long ago
b) yay! drug companies can sell more drugs. to the govt, even !
c) years upon years of pent up emotions can and will cause somebody to snap. bad shit happens when people snap
d) this is not the 50's. men are tough, but not machines. that whole image of "man up you pussy- real men dont cry" has completely outdated itself.

retort...

a. Partially true, but as some things are identified, some are "made up" for lack of a better term to promote the use of pharmaceuticals and therapy.

b. Correct.

c. 16 million served in ww2. 2 million in Vietnam. I would say there are way more Vietnam vets who have snapped than ww2, even though the ww2 group is 8X's bigger.

d. Men are not tough today, right from the start they are indoctrinated in the schools that everyone is equal and everyone wins. Physically men of today have the ability to be tough, but the nurture of the educational system and society has made men pussies.


K

[~Katja~]

update: neighbor isnt dead, but is in bad shape. granddaughter wouldnt exactly tell me what was the deal, but said its not looking good.

earth-
couple of reasons why its changed.
a) finally identified conditioned. remember, schizophreniacs were considered "possessed" not that long ago
b) yay! drug companies can sell more drugs. to the govt, even !
c) years upon years of pent up emotions can and will cause somebody to snap. bad shit happens when people snap
d) this is not the 50's. men are tough, but not machines. that whole image of "man up you pussy- real men dont cry" has completely outdated itself.


I think that plays a big role in the US, if not the biggest!

[boosterp]

I have often wondered if the instance of PTSD has risen due to societal attitude change?

Before Vietnam, soldiers were brainwashed(for lack of a better term), into thinking of the enemy as nothing more than animals. We portrayed the Japs and Germans as sub-humans who were inferior to us, and thus you should not feel pain in their death.

They used to tell men(soldiers) that they should not cry about death, to be happy that they made it. Now they are offered counseling and outreach told it is ok to cry, here are some xanax and some prozac come back next week.

I have no doubt you saw horrible things, but I think society's attitude has caused PTSD.

We (medical community) has a great amount of research that is not conclusive as to why the spikes.

Some say many WWII vets internalized it, my grandpa was likely in this category.

Some say Vietnam was a different war with a different attitude going into it. Hence why more cases. WWII we went to save the world and avenge our nation, Vietnam we were forced to fight Communism, not as valiant of a cause.

Some say the training is/was different.

Some point to evolution and how society factors in to our daily lives, ie the TV.

I'd like to think it's all that plays a factor in today's cases.

In my case I internalized all of it until I crashed mentally in 2005, no due to the PTSD but depression. This is when I started to have the dreams, etc. I now have medication that helps, at least I do not remember my dreams, but it still affects those in my life. While asleep I had punched, kicked, sat up screaming, scratched, and loudly cursed affecting my ex-wife, an ex-girlfriend, and my current girlfriend. It is real, but my mood (depression) has more to do with the degree suffered than anything else.

[topless_mike]

While asleep I had punched, kicked, sat up screaming, scratched, and loudly cursed affecting

must of been one hell of a party in your sleeping bag.

[boosterp]

must of been one hell of a party in your sleeping bag.

I would never do that consciously but is certainly caused relationship stress. My current gf is much more understanding, although was a bit scared after the first episode. After the second sh will not allow me to fall asleep while laying in my arms.

[boosterp]

Oh, I should also add a bit of history. The VA healthcare originated post Civil War to treat Shell Shocked Syndrome.

Also, After WWII there is a thought that many internalized it because they thought it would affect their ability to find/keep a job.

[dino_electropolis]

http://whatsontv.co.uk/blogs/movietalk/files/2009/06/stand_by_me_1_rgb.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

We (medical community) has a great amount of research that is not conclusive as to why the spikes.

Some say many WWII vets internalized it, my grandpa was likely in this category.

Some say Vietnam was a different war with a different attitude going into it. Hence why more cases. WWII we went to save the world and avenge our nation, Vietnam we were forced to fight Communism, not as valiant of a cause.

Some say the training is/was different.

Some point to evolution and how society factors in to our daily lives, ie the TV.

I'd like to think it's all that plays a factor in today's cases.

In my case I internalized all of it until I crashed mentally in 2005, no due to the PTSD but depression. This is when I started to have the dreams, etc. I now have medication that helps, at least I do not remember my dreams, but it still affects those in my life. While asleep I had punched, kicked, sat up screaming, scratched, and loudly cursed affecting my ex-wife, an ex-girlfriend, and my current girlfriend. It is real, but my mood (depression) has more to do with the degree suffered than anything else.

How the soldiers got home changed drastically, too. After service in WW2 they still took ships home and as such had at least days and often weeks to essentially "decompress" from the stress of combat in the company of their friends and fellow soldiers who did the same. Guys coming back from Vietnam often were on or near the frontlines and then were home the next (or thereabouts) and it was incredibly jarring and difficult to process. I know that because of this the military will sometimes send guys home "the long way" so that the change isn't so sudden.

[boosterp]

How the soldiers got home changed drastically, too. After service in WW2 they still took ships home and as such had at least days and often weeks to essentially "decompress" from the stress of combat in the company of their friends and fellow soldiers who did the same. Guys coming back from Vietnam often were on or near the frontlines and then were home the next (or thereabouts) and it was incredibly jarring and difficult to process. I know that because of this the military will sometimes send guys home "the long way" so that the change isn't so sudden.

There is a major culture shock for these guys now. This is part of the reason now for the "two week rule" allowing soldiers to have some down time.

[TheMojoPin]

There is a major culture shock for these guys now. This is part of the reason now for the "two week rule" allowing soldiers to have some down time.

Thanks for clarifying. I couldn't remember if there was an actual policy in regards to this across the board.

[robot artist]

I am sure there was, but no name put to it... and honestly neither of my grandparents were medicated after war, and they had been wounded, seen friends and fellow soldiers die and were in russian prison camps for years...

I believe they used to call it "shell shocked".

[topless_mike]

How the soldiers got home changed drastically, too. After service in WW2 they still took ships home and as such had at least days and often weeks to essentially "decompress" from the stress of combat in the company of their friends and fellow soldiers who did the same. Guys coming back from Vietnam often were on or near the frontlines and then were home the next (or thereabouts) and it was incredibly jarring and difficult to process. I know that because of this the military will sometimes send guys home "the long way" so that the change isn't so sudden.

This is a great idea. I never thought of it that way. Maybe the anticipation of getting home has something to do with it?

[earthbrown]

How the soldiers got home changed drastically, too. After service in WW2 they still took ships home and as such had at least days and often weeks to essentially "decompress" from the stress of combat in the company of their friends and fellow soldiers who did the same. Guys coming back from Vietnam often were on or near the frontlines and then were home the next (or thereabouts) and it was incredibly jarring and difficult to process. I know that because of this the military will sometimes send guys home "the long way" so that the change isn't so sudden.

they also stayed over there longer. Most stayed beginning to end of ww2. Today the soldiers bitch about 18 months.


K

[Furtherman]

Today the soldiers bitch about 18 months.

No.

Only YOU think the soldiers bitch about 18 months.

Any soldier that would bitch about 18 months wouldn't be a soldier for long.

[boosterp]

they also stayed over there longer. Most stayed beginning to end of ww2. Today the soldiers bitch about 18 months.


K

I have not heard of too many soldiers bitching and I am very close to the community. When they changed the tour from 12 months to 18 months while soldiers were over there I did hear grumbles because an entire division was near the end of it's tour, ready to go home to families and such, only to be extended. It hurts moral.

Maybe you need to walk in their boots before making such a comment.