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earthbrown
08-31-2009, 01:25 PM
SPRING HILL — Heather Lawrence didn't know the name of the girl with the Muslim head covering, or where she was from.
But as Lawrence walked by a classroom at Springstead High School on Wednesday, the 16-year-old junior did know one thing: The girl wasn't standing for the Pledge of Allegiance.
Lawrence, an JROTC member who plans to enlist in the Army next summer, says she was aghast.
"That's one of the most disrespectful things you can do," Lawrence recalled Friday. "Even the kids who are anarchists, who hate our government, still have respect to stand."
A few bells later, Lawrence was on her way to English class when she saw the girl wearing a hijab in the hallway. Lawrence confronted her.
She told her she should stand for the pledge. And, according to Lawrence's own account and a school referral on the incident, said, "Take that thing off your head and act like you're proud to be an American."
A teacher overheard the encounter. Now Lawrence is serving a five-day, out-of-school suspension, and her parents are considering legal action.
"You have someone in the States who is able to enjoy our educational and health care systems, yet it's okay for them to be disrespectful, and it's not okay for my daughter to speak her mind," said Mark Lawrence, Heather's father. "That's her First Amendment right. That's her freedom of speech."
Springstead principal Susan Duval said school officials stand behind the punishment. Heather Lawrence violated the district's policy against bullying and harassment, Duval said. She was disciplined not for telling the girl to stand, but for her other comments — comments that Duval called atrocious.
"It makes me ill," she said. "That is not what this school is about. These students should feel safe and secure here. We may have differences of opinion, but no student should have to tolerate harassment."
After the incident, Lawrence was asked by a school staffer why she confronted the girl. "She began to rant that she was enlisting and was going to Iraq and that basically because the girl looks Middle Eastern, that makes her an enemy because all Iraqis are Middle Eastern," according to the referral signed by assistant principal Stephen Crognale.
Lawrence denies she said that or feels that way.
"Terrorists, regardless of who they are, what color they are, are the enemy," she said.
School officials would not disclose the identity of the girl. Duval said she wasn't sure if the girl is new to Springstead or why she didn't stand for the pledge.
Lawrence said the girl did not respond to her and simply walked away. Duval said the girl did not complain to school officials. Efforts by the St. Petersburg Times to find and reach her were unsuccessful Friday.
As she served her first day of suspension, Lawrence admitted Friday that telling the girl to take off her hijab was "a little over the edge." Her father agreed she shouldn't have said it.
"It wasn't meant to be a racial comment, and I wasn't trying to bash her religion," she said. "I didn't expect her to say (the pledge). I just expect her to stand up for it. If she had a problem with what I said, I'd be happy to apologize to her."
Mark Lawrence says the district needs to be taken to task for putting words into his daughter's mouth. He hopes to reverse the suspension and says he's talked to a lawyer friend of the family.
"I didn't raise my daughters to be prejudiced," he said, adding that the family dines often with friends of Iranian descent.
Heather Lawrence has her own unpleasant pledge memory.
She spent six months in Mexico while her father worked a contracting job and was booted out of a private school for not saying the pledge to the Mexican flag. But that was in Spanish — a language she doesn't know — and so she stopped trying to fake it. And, she says, she still stood up.
Flaps over flag pledging have set legal precedent. A 17-year-old junior at Boynton Beach High School refused to stand for the pledge and was removed from class, prompting a lawsuit and a ruling last year by the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. The court struck down a provision of Florida law requiring civilians to stand for the pledge.
Ramzy Kiliç, executive director of the Tampa chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said he was concerned by Heather Lawrence's apparent cultural insensitivity.
But he also said he was surprised to hear that a Muslim would not stand for the pledge. There is no tenet in the religion that encourages Muslims not to do so. "That's her right," Kiliç said. "I myself believe she should have stood."
Still, Kiliç said he was happy to hear that Lawrence was willing to say she was sorry.
"A public school reflects the demographics of America," he said. "We have to foster that, and one way to do that is for the girl to apologize. That should be the ultimate solution."
The hijab clearly made the girl a target, said Dr. Adel Eldin, a Brooksville cardiologist who practices in Spring Hill.
Eldin, who has been busy in August celebrating the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, said he hopes school officials will seize the incident as a teachable moment about his faith.
"If the principal would like to sponsor an educational night, I would be happy to talk to the kids," he said.
http://www.tampabay.com/multimedia/archive/00082/b4s_heather082909_82862c.jpg
http://www.tampabay.com/news/education/k12/flap-over-flag-hijab-leads-to-suspension-of-hernando-student/1032014
I see a crazy militia and an FBI raid in this girl's future.
razorboy
08-31-2009, 01:32 PM
Well JROTC member sounds like a stupid, awful little girl.
Death Metal Moe
08-31-2009, 01:32 PM
Nice, a jailbait tag!
Death Metal Moe
08-31-2009, 01:34 PM
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earthbrown
08-31-2009, 01:48 PM
Well JROTC member sounds like a stupid, awful little girl.
Why? Cause she cares enough about her country to decide to serve in the armed services?
Maybe she wont be one of the members of the military bitchin about 18 month deployments.
K
razorboy
08-31-2009, 01:51 PM
Why? Cause she cares enough about her country to decide to serve in the armed services?
Nah, because she cares enough to be an ignorant, intolerant little racist.
KnoxHarrington
08-31-2009, 01:53 PM
This bitch should know that the military defends the right of that other girl to wear that headscarf.
This bitch should know that the military defends the right of that other girl to wear that headscarf.
We have a winner!
http://www.bumperart.com/ProductImages/2004011277_Display-35.gif
No one should be surprised by the other girl's refusal to Pledge Allegiance.
http://caosblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/obama-no-patriot.jpg
instrument
08-31-2009, 02:30 PM
So you have to have your hand over your heart?
I had no idea
http://www.bumperart.com/ProductImages/2004011277_Display-35.gif
That's funny, I feel the same way every time I hear you slander our beloved leader and Commander-in-Chief.
razorboy
08-31-2009, 02:41 PM
So you have to have your hand over your heart?
I had no idea
You didn't get the memo? We're supposed to regale a piece of fabric to the point of blind jingoism.
lleeder
08-31-2009, 02:48 PM
That's funny, I feel the same way every time I hear you slander our beloved lleeder.
he slandered me? what a prick!!
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c34/Gvac/EasilyOffended.jpg
he slandered me? what a prick!!
NOT YOU.
lleeder always wants to make it about himself.
Fuck this!
I'm leaving!
RhinoinMN
08-31-2009, 02:53 PM
lleeder always wants to make it about himself.
Fuck this!
I'm leaving!
Please make a large incoherent ranting thread before you go.
Please make a large incoherent ranting thread before you go.
Fuck you too!
Why don't you chat with your wife on the board while she's sitting in the other room?
SatCam
08-31-2009, 02:58 PM
But he also said he was surprised to hear that a Muslim would not stand for the pledge. There is no tenet in the religion that encourages Muslims not to do so. "That's her right," Kiliç said. "I myself believe she should have stood."
Maybe it had zero to do with her being muslim. people cant get past the stupid head scarf she was wearing
Maybe it had zero to do with her being muslim. people cant get past the stupid head scarf she was wearing
Usually when two chicks fight over fashion it don't make the evening news.
lleeder
08-31-2009, 03:01 PM
I don't stand for the pledge but I have a legitimate reason...laziness.
razorboy
08-31-2009, 03:02 PM
I don't stand for the pledge but I have a legitimate reason...laziness.
and alcoholism.
lleeder
08-31-2009, 03:05 PM
I don't stand for the pledge but I have a legitimate reason...laziness.
and alcoholism.
The founding fathers would be proud.
SatCam
08-31-2009, 03:23 PM
I just want to make it clear that a chick in military fatigue is not attractive
underdog
08-31-2009, 03:23 PM
The founding fathers would be proud.
I know I am.
Stankfoot
08-31-2009, 04:04 PM
No one should be surprised by the other girl's refusal to Pledge Allegiance.
http://caosblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/obama-no-patriot.jpg
http://polizine.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/bush_tummy_pledge.jpg
Death Metal Moe
08-31-2009, 05:22 PM
I just want to make it clear that a chick in military fatigue is not attractive
Eh, I wouldn't go that far, but yea, I saw "jailbait" attached to a thread so I expect some camera phone bathroom mirror shots.
I feel let down.
KnoxHarrington
08-31-2009, 06:06 PM
I just want to make it clear that a chick in military fatigue is not attractive
The Israeli Army disagrees.
http://www.gooya.us/photos/photos/isrfemsoldiers3.jpg
Contra
08-31-2009, 06:51 PM
The Israeli Army disagrees.
http://www.gooya.us/photos/photos/isrfemsoldiers3.jpg
Damn too bad our military chicks don't look like that
brettmojo
08-31-2009, 08:02 PM
Reading about that ROTC chick I immediately thought of...
http://www.dailypress.com/media/photo/2009-04/46007520.jpg
keithy_19
08-31-2009, 09:24 PM
This bitch should know that the military defends the right of that other girl to wear that headscarf.
And also the right for her to not stand for the pledge. I don't approve of it, but she has the right.
earthbrown
09-01-2009, 02:38 AM
And also the right for her to not stand for the pledge. I don't approve of it, but she has the right.
its a fucking respect thing....this dirty muslim bitch is here in this country, using the services of public education, and having the freedom to be anything she wants...UNLIKE in the shithole place she came from, where she could be punished for being raped, or kept from a proper education.
I went to a Catholic high school....not a catholic...
The only time I was respectful and did not act like an asshole, was during Mass. I am not a Catholic, however when they stood, I stood, when they knelt, I knelt, when they bowed their heads, I bowed my head. I did not do the "sign of the cross" or take communion because it would be disrespectful, during communion I simply sat or stood there, with the other non-communion takers scattered about in the gymnasium.
The disrespect comes in when a student refuses to stand, you dont have to recite the pledge, you do not have to believe in it. But when it is taking place you can at least stand and respect the other students. Have a little respect for the country that allows you to live here and piss all over it...thats all I ask.
K
yojimbo7248
09-01-2009, 02:54 AM
when we have kids, I am going to tell them that "God" is a make-believe deity created to force unity on unruly tribal people centuries ago, saying you give your allegiance to "One Nation Under God" is handing over your mind to the US nation-state, and that the Pledge of Allegiance is a means for authority to erode your free will at an early age. Of course they will have the choice, but I will recommend they stay seated while the rest of the class undergoes its brainwashing.
That's funny, I feel the same way every time I hear you slander our beloved leader and Commander-in-Chief.
He's no Dear Leader.
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Business/images-2/kim-jong-il-dear-leader.jpg
underdog
09-01-2009, 04:42 AM
its a fucking respect thing....this dirty muslim bitch is here in this country, using the services of public education, and having the freedom to be anything she wants...UNLIKE in the shithole place she came from, where she could be punished for being raped, or kept from a proper education.
How do you know she's not from America?
And great generalization about where muslim people come from. How was fucking your sister when you grew up?
topless_mike
09-01-2009, 04:58 AM
its a matter of respect. you may not like it, you may not approve of it, but grow the fuck up and show some respect. it has nothing to do with religion. its like when you go to a japanese family's house. you remove your shoes before entering. no ifs ands or buts. respect.
i have to say that army chick's comment to take that thing off is a little fucked up. thats her religion, she has the fucking right to wear it. you wear a cross, she wears a head scarf. as long as it doesnt interfere with id purposes, i dont care if you wear a skull and crossbones.
and why the fuck does the media feel the need to get involved? this should have been a closed door meeting between the famlies, school, and school board. of course, this just helps spread a fire. bunch of shit stirrers.
lleeder
09-01-2009, 05:02 AM
How do you know she's not from America?
I'd say skin color.
underdog
09-01-2009, 05:06 AM
Oh, the JROTC girl is already on her way to being an hero :
Lawrence, however, fabricated that part of the story, school officials say.
"This girl lied," Springstead principal Susan Duval said Monday. "I have confirmed with the homeroom teacher the young (Muslim) lady stood for the pledge."
Muslim girl stood for Pledge (http://www.tampabay.com/news/education/k12/muslim-girl-stood-for-pledge-of-allegiance-springstead-high-principal-says/1032716)
lleeder
09-01-2009, 05:07 AM
Oh, the JROTC girl is already on her way to being an hero :
Muslim girl stood for Pledge (http://www.tampabay.com/news/education/k12/muslim-girl-stood-for-pledge-of-allegiance-springstead-high-principal-says/1032716)
So they've gotten to you too huh. Don't worry earthbrown these colors don't run.
Jujubees2
09-01-2009, 05:14 AM
Oh, the JROTC girl is already on her way to being an hero :
Muslim girl stood for Pledge (http://www.tampabay.com/news/education/k12/muslim-girl-stood-for-pledge-of-allegiance-springstead-high-principal-says/1032716)
Wow, the originally story must have come from the Bush PR people, the same people who brought you the Pat Tillman cover-up.
topless_mike
09-01-2009, 05:15 AM
Oh, the JROTC girl is already on her way to being an hero :
Muslim girl stood for Pledge (http://www.tampabay.com/news/education/k12/muslim-girl-stood-for-pledge-of-allegiance-springstead-high-principal-says/1032716)
wow. when you read this story, it makes army chick sound like one of those backwoods cabin wackos.
truth or interesting "spin" on it?
underdog
09-01-2009, 05:20 AM
wow. when you read this story, it makes army chick sound like one of those backwoods cabin wackos.
truth or interesting "spin" on it?
It's from the exact same paper as the original story.
lleeder
09-01-2009, 05:22 AM
It's from the exact same paper as the original story.
The jew communist one?
Boogie in Va
09-01-2009, 05:22 AM
I just want to make it clear that a chick in military fatigue is not attractive
Now you mention it. Where the fuck were you 18 years ago when I was serving??
And I just thought of something........This JROTC chick was WALKING around during the pledge. She should have stopped, and if in uniform, saluted. A soldier is supposed to stop what ever he / she is doing when the Colors are being presented.
lleeder
09-01-2009, 05:24 AM
Now you mention it. Where the fuck were you 18 years ago when I was serving??
spitting at you and burning a flag
underdog
09-01-2009, 05:29 AM
The jew communist one?
Apparently it is now.
brettmojo
09-01-2009, 05:33 AM
wow. when you read this story, it makes army chick sound like one of those backwoods cabin wackos.
Hot.
strawberrypop
09-01-2009, 05:40 AM
Uh, this girl was sitting down, minding her business, silently. She was silently wearing the traditional head covering of her faith. Absolutely nothing she did was disrespectful.
The JROTC girl, however, acted in a repugnant manner. She refused the Muslim girl's freedom of religious expression. She attacked a silent protestor, in a manner of speaking.
I'm wondering what you all would be saying were it a Christian girl in a Muslim school who refused to kiss the Qu'ran, or something, and a fellow student ripped a cross from around her neck.
This stupid JROTC girl will be a great soldier. She accepts what she's told, and she thinks in black and white.
Blecch.
I loathe this right wing bullshit concept that if you don't hate all Muslims, you hate America. Or that if you believe socialized medicine might be a viable option, you hate America. It's fundamentally illogical and takes giant assumptive leaps.
Razorboy said it best.
strawberrypop
09-01-2009, 05:41 AM
wow. when you read this story, it makes army chick sound like one of those backwoods cabin wackos.
truth or interesting "spin" on it?
Um, that's what I got out of the original story as well.
brettmojo
09-01-2009, 05:43 AM
Sooooo... Obama has to wear a flag pin... But a Muslim girl in America doesn't have to stand for the pledge?
Makes sense.
west milly Tom
09-01-2009, 05:48 AM
I read this on fark yesterday. Its a shame that the girl made the head scarf comment. She is right about not standing for the pledge its disrespectful, though not as much as the biggoted comment.
underdog
09-01-2009, 05:49 AM
Uh, this girl was sitting down, minding her business, silently. She was silently wearing the traditional head covering of her faith. Absolutely nothing she did was disrespectful.
Sooooo... Obama has to wear a flag pin... But a Muslim girl in America doesn't have to stand for the pledge?
Makes sense.
I read this on fark yesterday. Its a shame that the girl made the head scarf comment. She is right about not standing for the pledge its disrespectful, though not as much as the biggoted comment.
SHE STOOD FOR THE FUCKING PLEDGE.
Read the followup story. Jesus.
brettmojo
09-01-2009, 05:50 AM
SHE STOOD FOR THE FUCKING PLEDGE.
Read the followup story. Jesus.
I know I was just commenting on strawberry pops crazy comment.
underdog
09-01-2009, 05:50 AM
I know I was just commenting on strawberry poopie's crazy comment.
I JUST FELT LIKE YELLING.
brettmojo
09-01-2009, 05:51 AM
I JUST FELT LIKE YELLING.
But you're typing.
So really, you're just cap-locking.
lleeder
09-01-2009, 05:52 AM
Head scarf? More like freedom destroyer.
Furtherman
09-01-2009, 05:53 AM
SPRING HILL — Heather Lawrence didn't know the name of the girl with the Muslim head covering, or where she was from.
But as Lawrence walked by a classroom at Springstead High School on Wednesday, the 16-year-old junior did know one thing: The girl wasn't standing for the Pledge of Allegiance.
Lawrence, an JROTC member who plans to enlist in the Army next summer, says she was aghast.
"That's one of the most disrespectful things you can do," Lawrence recalled Friday. "Even the kids who are anarchists, who hate our government, still have respect to stand."
Right there, she shows her intelligence level.
its a fucking respect thing....this dirty muslim bitch is here in this country, using the services of public education, and having the freedom to be anything she wants...UNLIKE in the shithole place she came from, where she could be punished for being raped, or kept from a proper education.
And right there, you show yours.
wow. when you read this story, it makes army chick sound like one of those backwoods cabin wackos.
I'd believe an immigrant who is thankful to be here before I believe someone who would do such a thing.
This bitch should know that the military defends the right of that other girl to wear that headscarf.
Yep.
west milly Tom
09-01-2009, 05:59 AM
Yep.
The country also defends the rights of biggots. I'm not siding with her, but it's a two way street.
strawberrypop
09-01-2009, 06:07 AM
I JUST FELT LIKE YELLING.
Yelling is unAmerican. You should be banned.
topless_mike
09-01-2009, 06:45 AM
I'd believe an immigrant who is thankful to be here before I believe someone who would do such a thing.
not quite sure if this was a jab at me or not...
Furtherman
09-01-2009, 06:46 AM
not quite sure if this was a jab at me or not...
No.
Not yet! The day is still young!
SatCam
09-01-2009, 01:33 PM
Not standing for the pledge is not disrespectful
Death Metal Moe
09-01-2009, 01:44 PM
I don't blame the kids or the families, I blame the news that makes a local issue a national case because there are hot button issues involved.
I fucking hate our media.
Every time a chick covers up baby Jesus weeps.
spoon
09-01-2009, 03:20 PM
its a fucking respect thing....this dirty muslim bitch is here in this country, using the services of public education, and having the freedom to be anything she wants...UNLIKE in the shithole place she came from, where she could be punished for being raped, or kept from a proper education.
I went to a Catholic high school....not a catholic...
The only time I was respectful and did not act like an asshole, was during Mass. I am not a Catholic, however when they stood, I stood, when they knelt, I knelt, when they bowed their heads, I bowed my head. I did not do the "sign of the cross" or take communion because it would be disrespectful, during communion I simply sat or stood there, with the other non-communion takers scattered about in the gymnasium.
The disrespect comes in when a student refuses to stand, you dont have to recite the pledge, you do not have to believe in it. But when it is taking place you can at least stand and respect the other students. Have a little respect for the country that allows you to live here and piss all over it...thats all I ask.
K
Wow and wow. You really don't get the whole idea of what freedom actually is. It also allows you to say some awful things and look like a fool in the process. Congrats.
TheMojoPin
09-01-2009, 03:31 PM
The country also defends the rights of biggots. I'm not siding with her, but it's a two way street.
The "rights" of someone to physically harass someone else in a public setting as this girl did are not "defended" by anyone.
Those of you that compared the choice to not stand for the pledge in public to traditions and decorum in a private home or private school do realize how much those comparisons fail, right?
The "rights" of someone to physically harass someone else in a public setting as this girl did are not "defended" by anyone.
Those of you that compared the choice to not stand for the pledge in public to traditions and decorum in a private home or private school do realize how much those comparisons fail, right?
Using this girl as your main argument for this just might be the dumbest thing you've posted on here, and you basically post nothing but dumb things, so this is REALLY dumb.
TheMojoPin
09-01-2009, 04:26 PM
Using this girl as your main argument for this just might be the dumbest thing you've posted on here, and you basically post nothing but dumb things, so this is REALLY dumb.
Go ahead, sillypants. Explain in the Kennedy thread how him serving as long as he did was detrimental to Senate.
Then explain here how this girl has the right to do what was initially claimed to someone not standing for the pledge in a public school.
Then explain how this siutation as it occured is comparable to the private school and private home scenarios brought up here.
Oh, that's right. You're just failing as per usual in the political threads. Gvac being Gvac. Will you actually respond? Of course not.
Furtherman
09-01-2009, 04:29 PM
Every time a chick covers up baby Jesus weeps.
No wonder those animals look so pissed off in the nativity scene.
Death Metal Moe
09-01-2009, 04:35 PM
No wonder those animals look so pissed off in the nativity scene.
Just because they're Middle Eastern you don't have to call them that. Damn.
Furtherman
09-01-2009, 04:37 PM
I want the gold! Gimme the gold!
razorboy
09-01-2009, 04:38 PM
I want the gold! Gimme the gold!
You get the myrrh.
Furtherman
09-01-2009, 04:51 PM
Then you get the Frankenstein, peasant!
underdog
09-01-2009, 04:56 PM
But you're typing.
So really, you're just cap-locking.
I say everything I type outloud.
Death Metal Moe
09-01-2009, 04:57 PM
Go ahead, sillypants. Explain in the Kennedy thread how him serving as long as he did was detrimental to Senate.
Then explain here how this girl has the right to do what was initially claimed to someone not standing for the pledge in a public school.
Then explain how this siutation as it occured is comparable to the private school and private home scenarios brought up here.
Oh, that's right. You're just failing as per usual in the political threads. Gvac being Gvac. Will you actually respond? Of course not.
Cut him some slack dude, he's been on the run from the Casey Posse for weeks now. :devil2:
TheMojoPin
09-01-2009, 04:58 PM
http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/elias_koteas_1.jpg
Every time a chick covers up baby Jesus weeps.
So does A.J. when he goes back to the Middle East.
http://kmazz.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/overhead_abaya_ha312.jpg
Crispy123
09-02-2009, 03:36 AM
Ninja slut.
That would be an awesome band name.
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