View Full Version : Barack Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize
keithy_19
10-09-2009, 01:13 AM
No link yet. Just heard it on the morning news. Not really sure for what, but he won it.
Foster
10-09-2009, 01:32 AM
maybe its a "pay it forward" for his health care program
Foster
10-09-2009, 01:48 AM
President Barack Obama on Friday won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize for "his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples," (http://www.optimum.net/News/AP/Article?articleId=622058)
keithy_19
10-09-2009, 01:53 AM
President Barack Obama on Friday won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize for "his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples," (http://www.optimum.net/News/AP/Article?articleId=622058)
Thanks.
Um...:huh:
Dan 'Hampton
10-09-2009, 02:38 AM
He's done so much, it's the least those smoking hot Swedes could do.
IMSlacker
10-09-2009, 02:42 AM
Jezo's going to be so happy.
sailor
10-09-2009, 02:51 AM
a compete bush attack. just silly.
IMSlacker
10-09-2009, 03:13 AM
Myth: The prize is awarded to recognize efforts for peace, human rights and democracy only after they have proven successful.
More often, the prize is awarded to encourage those who receive it to see the effort through, sometimes at critical moments. (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j1_QF_M_HvZAOpRa9UGcm5CbA-1gD9B7HDR80)
I guess it makes a little more sense in that context, still seems pretty nutty though.
tileslinger
10-09-2009, 03:24 AM
It's about time
foodcourtdruide
10-09-2009, 03:29 AM
How long before the right ties this to ACORN?
And like with Al Gore, somewhere Bill Clinton punches a wall.
Seriously, he's done nothing yet to merit a Nobel Peace Prize. A couple of nice speeches earns you a prize?????
LordJezo
10-09-2009, 03:53 AM
The mother fucking globalists aren't even trying to hide the fact that they are behind Obama anymore. This is bullshit. What the hell has he done to deserve this?
All hail the world leader, one step closer to installation.
The mother fucking globalists aren't even trying to hide the fact that they are behind Obama anymore. This is bullshit. What the hell has he done to deserve this?
All hail the world leader, one step closer to installation.
If I were you I wouldn't answer your phone today. Our tracking devices aren't working quite right.
LordJezo
10-09-2009, 03:58 AM
If I were you I wouldn't answer your phone today. Our tracking devices aren't working quite right.
They are admitting it right in their press release
The Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples.
One world government is on it's way with Obama being the face on the movement towards it. All this award will do is help people accept him when it's time to assume command.
led37zep
10-09-2009, 03:58 AM
This makes NO sense. He hasn't done anything to deserve the award. Is this the worlds 5th grade way of saying "we LIKE, like, you"
Here are what some past presidents who have won the award have done.
Theodore Roosevelt won the 1906 prize for his role in ending the bloody 1905 war between two of the world's great powers, Japan and Russia. The result was the Treaty of Portsmouth signed by Russia and Japan on September 5, 1905, at Portsmouth, New Hampshire.
Woodrow Wilson won the 1919 prize in recognition of his Fourteen Points peace program and work in achieving inclusion of the Covenant of the League of Nations in the 1919 Treaty of Versailles at the end of World War One. "The President succeeded in bringing a design for a fundamental law of humanity into present-day international politics," the Nobel Committee said.
Jimmy Carter won in 2002 as ex-president for what the Nobel prize committee said were "his decades of untiring effort to find peaceful solutions to international conflicts, to advance democracy and human rights, and to promote economic and social development."
Obama won it for "not being Bush".
LordJezo
10-09-2009, 04:06 AM
From the Nobel site:
http://nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/process.html
September – Invitation letters are sent out. The Nobel Committee sends out invitation letters to individuals qualified to nominate – members of national assemblies, governments, and international courts of law; university chancellors, professors of social science, history, philosophy, law and theology; leaders of peace research institutes and institutes of foreign affairs; previous Nobel Peace Prize Laureates; board members of organizations that have received the Nobel Peace Prize; present and past members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee; and former advisers of the Norwegian Nobel Institute.
February – Deadline for submission. The Committee bases its assessment on nominations that must be postmarked no later than 1 February each year. Nominations postmarked and received after this date are included in the following year's discussions. In recent years, the Committee has received close to 200 different nominations for the Nobel Peace Prize. The number of nominating letters is much higher, as many are for the same candidates.
What the hell. Obama is president and two weeks later is in the official nomination list.
I guess the selection process this year was..
1) OMG BLACK AND NOT BUSH!!
2) Win.
So it's not even like we can even take into account anything that he has done, he was awarded it based on his work during the election process. Or as a senator in Chicago.
Yeah, real deserving.
From the Nobel site:
http://nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/process.html
What the hell. Obama is president and two weeks later is in the official nomination list.
I guess the selection process this year was..
1) OMG BLACK AND NOT BUSH!!
2) Win.
So it's not even like we can even take into account anything that he has done, he was awarded it based on his work during the election process. Or as a senator in Chicago.
Yeah, real deserving.
Because of your negative attitude, you've forced me to report you to higher authorities. Don't bother hiding, they'll find you soon enough.
foodcourtdruide
10-09-2009, 04:18 AM
1) OMG BLACK AND NOT BUSH!!
Race has nothing to do with SOME people who criticize Obama.
biggestmexi
10-09-2009, 04:19 AM
you've forced me to report you
take it easy walker.
landarch
10-09-2009, 04:44 AM
I agree that he hasn't really done anything to deserve this, but I am happy as I can be at any slap in the face to those crazy right wing fear mongering retards. This news made my day.
foodcourtdruide
10-09-2009, 04:46 AM
From the Nobel site:
http://nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/process.html
What the hell. Obama is president and two weeks later is in the official nomination list.
I guess the selection process this year was..
1) OMG BLACK AND NOT BUSH!!
2) Win.
So it's not even like we can even take into account anything that he has done, he was awarded it based on his work during the election process. Or as a senator in Chicago.
Yeah, real deserving.
There were 205 people nominated. I don't think it's a stretch to think that had McCain been elected he would have been nominated. Unless you're paranoid and delusional and think the first step in becoming the official leader of the world would logically be to win the Nobel Peace Prize.
Coach
10-09-2009, 04:47 AM
And like with Al Gore, somewhere Bill Clinton punches a wall.
Seriously, he's done nothing yet to merit a Nobel Peace Prize. A couple of nice speeches earns you a prize?????
And the deadline for the nomination was feb 1 so......2 weeks into his presidency??? WTF?????
Foster
10-09-2009, 04:50 AM
Do they have Nobel Peace Prize Trading Cards?
If not they should consider doing so
WRESTLINGFAN
10-09-2009, 04:50 AM
Will they revoke it, If he decides to escalate the war in Afghanistan?
foodcourtdruide
10-09-2009, 04:50 AM
And like with Al Gore, somewhere Bill Clinton punches a wall.
Seriously, he's done nothing yet to merit a Nobel Peace Prize. A couple of nice speeches earns you a prize?????
I agree with you. I love what Obama is doing as far as foreign policy and think in the long runhe will be a success, however, let it happen before we give him the nobel peace prize!!
sailor
10-09-2009, 04:52 AM
By contrast, the physics prize was awarded for work done in the 1960s for work done with fiber optics.
EliSnow
10-09-2009, 04:53 AM
With this news, how is anybody going to get any exercise done at Jezo's gym today?!!
west milly Tom
10-09-2009, 04:54 AM
Hahaha. Wtf? Way to delegitimize the award.
spankyfrank
10-09-2009, 04:58 AM
a booooo :thumbdown:
Too much too soon, when people have jobs again to support there families then maybe
instrument
10-09-2009, 04:58 AM
This is the world thanking obama for removing "evil doers" and "axis of evil" from white house press releases.
Spanky frank has confused peace with economy..poor feller
Ritalin
10-09-2009, 05:11 AM
The mother fucking globalists aren't even trying to hide the fact that they are behind Obama anymore. This is bullshit. What the hell has he done to deserve this?
All hail the world leader, one step closer to installation.
Globalists. Heh.
Jezo, time to doublecheck your bottled water supply.
The globe is coming to get you! Boo! Big bad scary Globe!
(that said, I really don't get why they gave Obama that
prize.)
(maybe it's a makeup call for the Olympics)
EliSnow
10-09-2009, 05:15 AM
(that said, I really don't get why they gave Obama that
prize.)
(maybe it's a makeup call for the Olympics)
Come on. We all know it's because Obama deserved it. He's the best ever!
Now, that I have several people's heads spinning, I see this solely as giving the middle finger to Bush and his administration's foreign policies.
topless_mike
10-09-2009, 05:28 AM
even if i was a democrat, this would have me scratching my head.
i dont get it.
if i were among those listed on that nomination list, i would be rightfully pissed.
angrymissy
10-09-2009, 05:29 AM
I love me some Obama, but this is not appropriate really. He hasn't even had time to do anything to merit a Nobel Peace Prize yet.
I'm gonna guess even Obama is probably like "Huh"?
RhinoinMN
10-09-2009, 05:38 AM
(maybe it's a makeup call for the Olympics)
They are always good about that after an obvious holding penalty.
LordJezo
10-09-2009, 05:46 AM
NASA bombs the moon, Obama gets a peace prize.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2009/oct/08/nasa-moon-lcross-water-crater
angrymissy
10-09-2009, 05:48 AM
Although it will be amusing to watch the RW pundits froth at the mouth over this, I must say.
Misteriosa
10-09-2009, 05:53 AM
Come on. We all know it's because Obama deserved it. He's the best ever!
Now, that I have several people's heads spinning, I see this solely as giving the middle finger to Bush and his administration's foreign policies.
thats what i thought when i heard the news. i wonder how bush's legacy builders will handle this.
I love me some Obama, but this is not appropriate really. He hasn't even had time to do anything to merit a Nobel Peace Prize yet.
I'm gonna guess even Obama is probably like "Huh"?
yeah but as someone else noted, the prize is also used to encourage people to live up to the prize. his election has raised the US's image throughout the world and help repair the damage from the Bush foreign policies. hell, that is a feat in itself.
Although it will be amusing to watch the RW pundits froth at the mouth over this, I must say.
it will be a doozy. prepare to see glenn beck crying about it. :dry:
Lets think about this rationally. Here is the standard as set by Nobel's will (http://nobelpeaceprize.org/en_GB/about_peaceprize/):
The Prize is to go to whoever "shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."
And in their words: (http://nobelpeaceprize.org/en_GB/home/announce-2009/)
The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.
Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts. The vision of a world free from nuclear arms has powerfully stimulated disarmament and arms control negotiations. Thanks to Obama's initiative, the USA is now playing a more constructive role in meeting the great climatic challenges the world is confronting. Democracy and human rights are to be strengthened.
You may not agree, but honestly the Nobel Committee doesn't have to pick "based upon achievement" but rather look at the original intent of the award and tone certainly qualifies. This does fit that classification. It is a bit shocking, but its their damn award...not mine.
Furtherman
10-09-2009, 05:59 AM
With this news, how is anybody going to get any exercise done at Jezo's gym today?!!
The gym is closed due to dozens of dumbbells dropping to the floor when the news broke. The damage was severe.
Weights hit the floor too.
I think that Obama has absolutely strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. That's a step towards peace, which is a good thing, and I don't see how anyone could disagree.
Does it deserve a Nobel Peace Prize?
I have no idea.
I have no idea who else was on the list - was there a list? Who else has been making peaceful efforts out there on Earth this past year? I'm sure the list will come out and then people can decide who deserved the award.
But right now the outrage is just a shock to all the Obama haters. That tickles me a bit, because their horse-blinders just opened up a little wider and the light is hurting their eyes.
Dude!
10-09-2009, 06:04 AM
But right now the outrage is just a shock to all the Obama haters.
you chose exactly the right word
this is an outrage
Furtherman
10-09-2009, 06:06 AM
you chose exactly the right word
this is an outrage
It just burns your britches doesn't it? Hee Hee.
IMSlacker
10-09-2009, 06:07 AM
I'm sure the list will come out and then people can decide who deserved the award.
Not for 50 years, it won't. (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j1_QF_M_HvZAOpRa9UGcm5CbA-1gD9B7HDR80)
Myth: The awards committee announces a shortlist of candidates.
The committee does not release the names of any candidates and keeps records sealed for 50 years.
El Mudo
10-09-2009, 06:08 AM
Lets think about this rationally. Here is the standard as set by Nobel's will (http://nobelpeaceprize.org/en_GB/about_peaceprize/):
And in their words: (http://nobelpeaceprize.org/en_GB/home/announce-2009/)
You may not agree, but honestly the Nobel Committee doesn't have to pick "based upon achievement" but rather look at the original intent of the award and tone certainly qualifies. This does fit that classification. It is a bit shocking, but its their damn award...not mine.
Any award that you can give based on "good intentions" is the stupidest fucking award in the entire history of awards.
http://download.lardlad.com/framegrabs/4F07/116.jpg
Well my family and I can't live on good intentions Marge! Oh, your family's out of controll but we can't blame you because you have GOOD INTENTIONS!
foodcourtdruide
10-09-2009, 06:15 AM
I love me some Obama, but this is not appropriate really. He hasn't even had time to do anything to merit a Nobel Peace Prize yet.
I'm gonna guess even Obama is probably like "Huh"?
Not according to Jezo. This is all part of the globalists plans to take over the world.
Furtherman
10-09-2009, 06:17 AM
Any award that you can give based on "good intentions" is the stupidest fucking award in the entire history of awards.
Yet it has been given out 89 times since 1901. Where was the outrage then? Was every award given out without controversy? I don't recall people being angry when Martti Ahtisarri won. What about Wangari Maathai? What about Doctors Without Borders? Oh no... that's what Obama is trying to do here!!!!
Do we have any Nobel Prize historians on this board?
If anything, this will lead some people... those who tend not to follow the flock... to look up past winners and see their contributions to peace. Might even inspire someone.
The only Nobel threads on this board have been about Pete Seeger and Al Gore, and they went about the same way this Obama thread will go.
Not for 50 years, it won't. (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j1_QF_M_HvZAOpRa9UGcm5CbA-1gD9B7HDR80)
Oh.
Well then I'm locking this thread until 2059 and then we'll continue this discussion.
Dude!
10-09-2009, 06:18 AM
New York Times 10/09/2009:
"The achievements of all previous winners have been diminished."
Dude!
10-09-2009, 06:20 AM
Well then I'm locking this thread until 2059 and then we'll continue this discussion.
yeah, lock it
this is ronfez.net after all
foodcourtdruide
10-09-2009, 06:20 AM
New York Times 10/09/2009:
"The achievements of all previous winners have been diminished."
Lol. can we have a little context?
EliSnow
10-09-2009, 06:27 AM
The funniest thing about this story is if they had given the award before R&F's last event, mikeyboy's FF would have been a winner.
Furtherman
10-09-2009, 06:31 AM
The funniest thing about this story is if they had given the award before R&F's last event, mikeyboy's FF would have been a winner.
HAHA! Great point.
Now, "badge" really is the worst answer.
mikeyboy
10-09-2009, 06:40 AM
The funniest thing about this story is if they had given the award before R&F's last event, mikeyboy's FF would have been a winner.
Not if they still used the questions from the shitty 70s home version.
Fatwreck86
10-09-2009, 06:43 AM
I guarantee he gets reelected. He is going to go down as a great president, polar opposite of that redneck form Texas.
Furtherman
10-09-2009, 06:43 AM
Obama wins the Davis Cup!
Taliban condemn Obama as Nobel Prize Winner (http://swedishwire.com/general/1173-taliban-condemn-obama-as-nobel-prize-winner)
The Taliban Friday condemned the decision to award this year's Nobel Peace Prize to US President Barack Obama, saying he has "not taken a single step towards peace in Afghanistan".
"We have seen no change in his strategy for peace. He has done nothing for peace in Afghanistan," Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Myjahid told AFP.
"We condemn the award of the Nobel Peace Prize for Obama," he said by telephone from an undisclosed location.
It's nice to know that somebody agrees with Lord Jezo.
EliSnow
10-09-2009, 06:56 AM
Taliban condemn Obama as Nobel Prize Winner (http://swedishwire.com/general/1173-taliban-condemn-obama-as-nobel-prize-winner)
It's nice to know that somebody agrees with Lord Jezo.
Hmmm. Is the Lord Jezo short for Warlord Jezo?
Where is Jezo's gym located anyway?
Furtherman
10-09-2009, 06:58 AM
Hmmm. Is the Lord Jezo short for Warlord Jezo?
Where is Jezo's gym located anyway?
Between the Afghan Wig Shop and the Pakistan Take-Out.
WRESTLINGFAN
10-09-2009, 06:59 AM
I guarantee he gets reelected. He is going to go down as a great president, polar opposite of that redneck form Texas.
LBJ ?
El Mudo
10-09-2009, 07:00 AM
Yet it has been given out 89 times since 1901. Where was the outrage then? Was every award given out without controversy? I don't recall people being angry when Martti Ahtisarri won. What about Wangari Maathai? What about Doctors Without Borders? Oh no... that's what Obama is trying to do here!!!!
Do we have any Nobel Prize historians on this board?
If anything, this will lead some people... those who tend not to follow the flock... to look up past winners and see their contributions to peace. Might even inspire someone.
The only Nobel threads on this board have been about Pete Seeger and Al Gore, and they went about the same way this Obama thread will go.
Oh.
Well then I'm locking this thread until 2059 and then we'll continue this discussion.
Its not that i'm "outraged" per se, its more along the lines of being confused about why they would give out an award with such a vague definition. They can say he promoted peace, etc., but it seems like in this case, they're giving him the award based on the themes of his campaign, which seems a little odd to me without having actually witnessed them in practice or in execution.
Maybe i'm just wrong in thinking that it should be based on actual actions instead of the general themes of a political campaign
WRESTLINGFAN
10-09-2009, 07:00 AM
Between the Afghan Wig Shop and the Pakistan Take-Out.
http://www.milogarage.com/postersMilo/EyeNoise/91.04.01_AfghanWhigs.jpg
El Mudo
10-09-2009, 07:01 AM
I guarantee he gets reelected. He is going to go down as a great president, polar opposite of that redneck form Texas.
Eisenhower?
boosterp
10-09-2009, 07:04 AM
This is quite puzzling. As of February he had been in office for 2 weeks and still working on getting set up. The only major thing to come from his office was the closing of Gitmo.
WRESTLINGFAN
10-09-2009, 07:10 AM
This is quite puzzling. As of February he had been in office for 2 weeks and still working on getting set up. The only major thing to come from his office was the closing of Gitmo.
Looks like that is going to be delayed, Last week the administration said that they wont make their deadline of Jan 2010
IMSlacker
10-09-2009, 07:11 AM
n/m. I'm stupid.
spadanko
10-09-2009, 07:12 AM
He is gonna get the Cy young over Greinke for that awesome pitch at the all star game
boosterp
10-09-2009, 07:19 AM
Obama wins the Chase for the Cup!!!!! NASCAR fans are puzzled. News at 5.
Tenbatsuzen
10-09-2009, 07:19 AM
I know Obama has his own money, but as soon as I heard he was getting 1.6 million dollars, the Chapelle Show "Reparations" sketch popped into my head.
Willmore
10-09-2009, 07:24 AM
1. Yes, it's probably a few years too soon to award it.
2. That was a brilliant speech he just finished giving. Short, concise and incredibly on target with its message.
foodcourtdruide
10-09-2009, 07:24 AM
I just heard they cancelled the MLB playoffs because Obama has been named World Series Champion!
west milly Tom
10-09-2009, 07:25 AM
Side note: he was nominated a week after he was elected. Lol
Misteriosa
10-09-2009, 07:27 AM
2010 And 2012 Olympics Cancelled. Obama Sweeps All Categories! Michael Phelps Record Broken!!!
Side note: he was nominated a week after he was elected. Lol
I would guarantee the US President is nominated every year. Its not like that is a new thing...
disneyspy
10-09-2009, 07:29 AM
i cant believe mikeyboy didnt start this thread
Zorro
10-09-2009, 07:30 AM
Global Social Promotion it was very important to reinvigorate his self-esteem after the Olympic fiasco.
WRESTLINGFAN
10-09-2009, 07:30 AM
I think Barack should be #1 Contender for the WWE Title.
EliSnow
10-09-2009, 07:30 AM
The Queen of England has announced that she will knight Barack Obama.
So now it's Sir President to you.
Misteriosa
10-09-2009, 07:31 AM
The Queen of England has announced that she will knight Barack Obama.
So now it's Sir President to you.
thats weird.. i heard she was stepping down as queen to give the post to him.. :unsure:
disneyspy
10-09-2009, 07:31 AM
i hope the prez wins todays beenie cup
west milly Tom
10-09-2009, 07:32 AM
Looks like that is going to be delayed, Last week the administration said that they wont make their deadline of Jan 2010
Also the libs are screaming because he's sticking with the Bush policy of keeping the other "Gizmo's" open.
Other recepiants this decade: inventor of the internet Al Gore, terrorist sympathieser Jimmy Carter.
The award is kind of a joke. It seems hating Bush is the main qualification. I have it on good authority that Furtherman was a nominee :)
foodcourtdruide
10-09-2009, 07:32 AM
Congratulations Barack Obama. The first man to walk on the moon!
EliSnow
10-09-2009, 07:33 AM
I've heard some spoilers that Barack Obama will win the Next Iron Chef competition.
Misteriosa
10-09-2009, 07:33 AM
i hope the prez wins todays beenie cup
King Sir Barak Obama, Nobel Prize Recipient and Beany Cup winner...
That has an awesome ring to it :happy:
Dan 'Hampton
10-09-2009, 07:34 AM
Based on his pitching ability he will be World Series MVP.
EliSnow
10-09-2009, 07:35 AM
The award is kind of a joke. It seems hating Bush is the main qualification. I have it on good authority that everyone except for W's family and West Milly Tom were nominees :)
Fixed.
west milly Tom
10-09-2009, 07:35 AM
Fixed.
Nicely played sir.
WRESTLINGFAN
10-09-2009, 07:38 AM
King Sir Barak Obama, Nobel Prize Recipient and Beany Cup winner...
That has an awesome ring to it :happy:
He wont be King Barack until he wins the 2010 King of the Ring
disneyspy
10-09-2009, 07:39 AM
He wont be King Barack until he wins the 2010 King of the Ring
i heard he was gonna race the richard petty car at daytona before that
foodcourtdruide
10-09-2009, 07:40 AM
He wont be King Barack until he wins the 2010 King of the Ring
Done! Congrats Obama!
Misteriosa
10-09-2009, 07:43 AM
He wont be King Barack until he wins the 2010 King of the Ring
Done! Congrats Obama!
http://hiphopsimpsonsandwrestling.com/wp-content/obamamania.jpg
El Mudo
10-09-2009, 07:53 AM
http://hiphopsimpsonsandwrestling.com/wp-content/obamamania.jpg
Can someone please post that photoshop of Hulk knocking down the World Trade Center?
Tenbatsuzen
10-09-2009, 07:54 AM
Please welcome our new administrator, BarryO
JimBeam
10-09-2009, 07:57 AM
Didn't one of the post indicate that he won it because of something he did w/ nuclear weapons ?
Did that slip by me because the only mention I've heard of nuclear weapons in the last few months is that 2 more countries may soon have them.
Did he win for expanding nuclear weapons ?
If so than bravo tohim.
He'll have this award to keep him compant when he's a lame duck in 2010 and unemployed in 2012.
Maybe he'll have to sell it like OJ.
TheMojoPin
10-09-2009, 08:07 AM
Uhhhhhh...why?
EliSnow
10-09-2009, 08:08 AM
Didn't one of the post indicate that he won it because of something he did w/ nuclear weapons ?
Did that slip by me because the only mention I've heard of nuclear weapons in the last few months is that 2 more countries may soon have them.
Did he win for expanding nuclear weapons ?
How does he expand nuclear weapons when other countries are expanding it?
TheMojoPin
10-09-2009, 08:10 AM
How does he expand nuclear weapons when other countries are expanding it?
If it's over nukes, I guess it could be over settling the whole missile defense thing with Russia, but even that's a pretty big stretch to get the Nobel Peace Prize for.
EliSnow
10-09-2009, 08:12 AM
If it's over nukes, I guess it could be over settling the whole missile defense thing with Russia, but even that's a pretty big stretch to get the Nobel Peace Prize for.
I was questioning JimBeam's lack of logic.
As for the Committee's reasoning, I think they mentioned that he has committed to getting rid of nuclear weapons, not because he actually did it.
JimBeam
10-09-2009, 08:12 AM
Isn't he supposed to try and prevent that ?
And even if he didn't/couldn't how would nuclear weapons in any way be something for which he's given credit for impacting ?
How many countries added it to their arsenal in the last 30 years ?
Not saying there weren't any but it'd be interesting to know.
TheMojoPin
10-09-2009, 08:12 AM
Also the libs are screaming because he's sticking with the Bush policy of keeping the other "Gizmo's" open.
Other recepiants this decade: inventor of the internet Al Gore, terrorist sympathieser Jimmy Carter.
The award is kind of a joke. It seems hating Bush is the main qualification. I have it on good authority that Furtherman was a nominee :)
You really think Carter and Gore winning it only has to do with Bush?
You're like Bush's ego somehow broken free and running amuck.
Ritalin
10-09-2009, 08:13 AM
Uhhhhhh...why?
Affirmative action.
TheMojoPin
10-09-2009, 08:13 AM
I'd prefer it if the administration made some kind of diplomatic statement along the lines of how the President is honored by the award but doesn't feel that he's yet to truly deserve it and that there's still too much work to be done. Polish that sentiment up and make it look classy and magnanimous.
EliSnow
10-09-2009, 08:15 AM
Isn't he supposed to try and prevent that ?
Maybe, but you can't say that he was the one expanding them by failing to prevent their expansion.
Using that rationale, Bush was the one attacking the US on 9/11 by failing to prevent them.
He's not. The terrorists were.
Plus, somethings you can try to prevent, and are't able to simply because it's something outside of your control.
Furtherman
10-09-2009, 08:16 AM
Uhhhhhh...why?
Because you masturbate. Nice going.
WRESTLINGFAN
10-09-2009, 08:16 AM
Word from the Vatican is that Pope Benedict is going to canonize Obama for Sainthood. St Barack of Chicago has a nice ring to it
JimBeam
10-09-2009, 08:16 AM
I was questioning JimBeam's lack of logic.
As for the Committee's reasoning, I think they mentioned that he has committed to getting rid of nuclear weapons, not because he actually did it.
Lack of logic ? That's right, I forgot that my opinions must defer to you.
What's illogical about questioning his impact on nuclear weapons ?
Is it your " logic " that hey he's only the President Of The US what can he do to prevent the growth of nuclear weapons ?
As for the Committee's reasoning, I think they mentioned that he has committed to getting rid of nuclear weapons, not because he actually did it.[/
So you agree that the award is a complete sham then ?
He hasn't reduced even the US's stockpile of weapons so how's he doing on the effort of reducing any weapons.
TheMojoPin
10-09-2009, 08:18 AM
So you agree that the award is a complete sham then?
Of course not.
Can we stop with the melodrama? This is a questionable pick, but dear Lord, the number of times I've already seen people declaring the Nobel Peace Prize to be a "complete sham" or a "total joke" or anything those lines is ridiculous.
JimBeam
10-09-2009, 08:19 AM
Using that rationale, Bush is responsible for 9/11 attacks by failing to prevent them.
Isn't that something that many have implied ?
And while we're at it let's not forget to share some of that blame w/ Clinton.
EliSnow
10-09-2009, 08:20 AM
Lack of logic ? That's right, I forgot that my opinions must defer to you.
What's illogical about questioning his impact on nuclear weapons ?
Is it your " logic " that hey he's only the President Of The US what can he do to prevent the growth of nuclear weapons ?
Your opinions do not to defer to me. But I can express my opinion that yours is not based on logic.
As for the rest, I didn't say he couldn't do things to try to prevent the expansion of nuclear weapons.
My point is that you can't say that he's the one expanding nuclear weapons when his efforts to stop others fail.
Say that he failed to stop their expansion -- that is not the same thing as saying that he is the one who expanded them.
TheMojoPin
10-09-2009, 08:21 AM
Isn't that something that many have implied ?
And while we're at it let's not forget to share some of that blame w/ Clinton.
He's not talking about the specifics of that situation...he's talking about the general causality of the idea that since Bush did not prevent 9/11 then theoretically he is responsible for them. In that broad sense that's not a realistic conclusion. Bush did not "cause" 9/11.
JimBeam
10-09-2009, 08:22 AM
Of course not.
Can we stop with the melodrama? This is a questionable pick, but dear Lord, the number of times I've already seen people declaring the Nobel Peace Prize to be a "complete sham" or a "total joke" or anything those lines is ridiculous.
I'll concede I could care less about the award itself but to say he won it for his impact on nuclear weapons, which as it appears is inconsequential, is nonsense.
I'm not even looking at it for a politcal perspective.
It'd be like Milton Bradley winning the MVP because he hoped to have a better season.
EliSnow
10-09-2009, 08:23 AM
Isn't that something that many have implied ?
So if others make a illogical, stupid comment, you can make one without being called on it?
And while we're at it let's not forget to share some of that blame w/ Clinton.
Um, do you realize that my point was that Bush was not the one attacking on 9/11? I wasn't blaming Bush?
Love how the Clinton thing gets sneaked in unnecessarily.
EliSnow
10-09-2009, 08:24 AM
He's not talking about the specifics of that situation...he's talking about the general causality of the idea that since Bush did not prevent 9/11 then theoretically he is responsible for them. In that broad sense that's not a realistic conclusion. Bush did not "cause" 9/11.
Thank you. Maybe he understands now.
foodcourtdruide
10-09-2009, 08:25 AM
Isn't that something that many have implied ?
And while we're at it let's not forget to share some of that blame w/ Clinton.
I don't know if anyone here would agree that Bush was responsible for 9/11. It seemed like a security failure ( and unprecedented act of terrorism against the U.S.) that went beyond Bush to me.
JimBeam
10-09-2009, 08:27 AM
Say that he failed to stop their expansion -- that is not the same thing as saying that he is the one who expanded them.
That was mostly meant in jest to the point that if North Korea and Iran end up w/ the weapons that's 2 more countries that will have it that hadn't had it previously.
So if Obama's intent was to help more countries gain the weapons then he's on his way to succeeding and he deserves' the word for his work with/for nuclear weapons.
I know he, nor any President, has any real direct impact on what another country does, outside of attacking them, but it's ironic to get cited for an award based on something for which you've had zero impact one way or the other.
TheMojoPin
10-09-2009, 08:28 AM
So if Obama's intent was to help more countries gain the weapons then he's on his way to succeeding and he deserves' the word for his work with/for nuclear weapons.
How did he "help more countries gain the weapons?"
topless_mike
10-09-2009, 08:28 AM
stay on topic, faggots
EliSnow
10-09-2009, 08:29 AM
I don't know if anyone here would agree that Bush was responsible for 9/11. It seemed like a security failure ( and unprecedented act of terrorism against the U.S.) that went beyond Bush to me.
If Bush, Clinton or any other American could have prevented 9/11, then they may have failed to prevent it and can be called on that.
They can't be said to have actually attacked 9/11 themselves.
Similarly, if Obama fails to prevent countries from obtaining nuclear weapons, then it can be said to have failed to do so.
But we wasn't the one who expanded the use of nuclear weapons.
JimBeam
10-09-2009, 08:31 AM
Love how the Clinton thing gets sneaked in unnecessarily.
So you sneak a Bush reference in and no foul but I mention Clinton and that's uncalled for ?
You act as if I said Obama went to North Korea and Iran and sold them the blueprints for building a nuclear bomb.
That would be an illogical and silly statement.
Implying that " hey the numbers may soon go up on his watch " isn't illogical.
It may soon be fact.
foodcourtdruide
10-09-2009, 08:32 AM
If Bush, Clinton or any other American could have prevented 9/11, then they may have failed to prevent it and can be called on that.
Honestly, who knows the answer to this question?
EliSnow
10-09-2009, 08:35 AM
That was mostly meant in jest to the point that if North Korea and Iran end up w/ the weapons that's 2 more countries that will have it that hadn't had it previously.
So if Obama's intent was to help more countries gain the weapons then he's on his way to succeeding and he deserves' the word for his work with/for nuclear weapons.
I know he, nor any President, has any real direct impact on what another country does, outside of attacking them, but it's ironic to get cited for an award based on something for which you've had zero impact one way or the other.
I won't argue that the Nobel Committee's reasoning is shaky in terms of the fact that Obama hasn't been in place long enough to be recognized they way they are.
But you don't necessarily get the Nobel Prize because you succeeded or failed. The award is set up to reward the pursuit of peace, not just a successful result of it. If Obama worked for the next 4, 12 or more years to rid the planet of nuclear weapons, and failed in some respects (because some countries obtained them), I don't think that he wouldn't be deserving of the award, because he did strive for peace over a long period of time.
But I believe the above is different from getting it because of a couple of speeches or months spent in pursuit of the goal.
JimBeam
10-09-2009, 08:36 AM
If Bush, Clinton or any other American could have prevented 9/11, then they may have failed to prevent it and can be called on that.
They can't be said to have actually attacked 9/11 themselves.
Similarly, if Obama fails to prevent countries from obtaining nuclear weapons, then it can be said to have failed to do so.
But we wasn't the one who expanded the use of nuclear weapons.
I'll agree w/ you if you can honetly tell me that you'd feel the same way if North Korea and Iran ended up w/ weapons under Bush's watch.
If you say you'd have the same " ahhhh, what can we do about those crazy kids " opinion if another President was in office than I'd have no more to say on the matter.
sailor
10-09-2009, 08:38 AM
thats weird.. i heard she was stepping down as queen to give the post to him.. :unsure:
nah, he's the one going to give that old hag "the post"
TheMojoPin
10-09-2009, 08:39 AM
If they want to award it for what he symbolizes and represents by being the first black president elected to lead an "industrialized nation," hey, go with that. That's freakin' huge. I'd still think that that would be premature given how his time in office could end in disaster just like any other President, but it would be more meaningful than trying to give it for anything he's actually done during his brief time in office so far.
EliSnow
10-09-2009, 08:45 AM
So you sneak a Bush reference in and no foul but I mention Clinton and that's uncalled for ?
Go back and read my post. It was a hypothetical and I said that Bush was not responsible for 9/11. Nowhere did I blame him for it in anyway. The reason I brought up his name is because he was in office when it happened, just as Obama is in office now.
If I were to act like you, I would have already posted that if blamed is put on Obama, then you need to point the finger at Bush. But I didn't, because I'm trying to keep the finger pointing BS out of this. I'm just calling you on how you addressed this award.
You act as if I said Obama went to North Korea and Iran and sold them the blueprints for building a nuclear bomb.
You said that he should get an award for expanding nuclear weapons. Because that's a different thing from failing to prevent expansion, essentially you made the point above.
That would be an illogical and silly statement.
That's my point from the start.
Implying that " hey the numbers may soon go up on his watch " isn't illogical.
It may soon be fact.
You didn't imply that number may go up on his watch. You actually said that two countries will get the weapons soon.
But that's not all you said. You also said he should win an award for expanding nuclear weapons which is different than failing to prevent the expansion of nuclear weapons.
EliSnow
10-09-2009, 08:50 AM
I'll agree w/ you if you can honetly tell me that you'd feel the same way if North Korea and Iran ended up w/ weapons under Bush's watch.
Yes, I would feel the same way. A President of the United States has incredible powers, but it's not infinite. His powers are constrained by a number of things world-wide, including the limitaions on our military forces, relations with other countries, etc. A president could do everything he can realistically do, and still not be able to stop a country from doing something in its own borders.
As a history major, I learned a lot from the whole "You lost China" bullshit that happened in the 1950's. We cannot control everything that happens in the world. And we set ourselves up for failure when we act as if we can.
If you say you'd have the same " ahhhh, what can we do about those crazy kids " opinion if another President was in office than I'd have no more to say on the matter.
That's so not my point.
EliSnow
10-09-2009, 08:53 AM
Honestly, who knows the answer to this question?
I don't, which is why I framed it with the "if" and made it general.
I'm not saying in any way who should be blamed for failure to prevent 9/11.
underdog
10-09-2009, 08:55 AM
Side note: he was nominated a week after he was elected. Lol
Wow. You'd think someone would have mentioned that somewhere in this thread already.
underdog
10-09-2009, 08:57 AM
http://hiphopsimpsonsandwrestling.com/wp-content/obamamania.jpg
Needs more crying Benoit.
TripleSkeet
10-09-2009, 09:39 AM
If they want to award it for what he symbolizes and represents by being the first black president elected to lead an "industrialized nation," hey, go with that. That's freakin' huge. I'd still think that that would be premature given how his time in office could end in disaster just like any other President, but it would be more meaningful than trying to give it for anything he's actually done during his brief time in office so far.
This. The unconditional love this guy is getting is no better then the fucking retards thumping their chest about how Bush won again 4 years ago.
Suspect Chin
10-09-2009, 09:47 AM
I didn't vote for Obama and I don't support a lot of his policies (proposed or otherwise), but I am proud to be an American today as this award shows a renewal of respect for America across the world.
It reaffirms the unfortunate, yet pride-inducing fact that America is almost solely responsible for maintaining peace and stability in the tumultuous regions of the world.
Furtherman
10-09-2009, 09:53 AM
Beginning of his acceptance speech:
I am both surprised and deeply humbled, by the decision of the Nobel Committee, let me be clear, I do not view it as a recognition of my own accomplishments but rather as an affirmation of American leadership on behalf of aspirations held by people of all nations.
To be honest, I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many transformative figures that have been honored by this prize. Me and women who have inspired me and inspired the entire world through their courageous pursuit of peace. But I also know that this prize reflects the kind of world that those men and women and all Americans want to build. A world that gives life to the promise of our Founding documents.
And I know that throughout history the Nobel Peace prize has not been used just to honor specific achievement, it's also been used as a means to give momentum to a set of causes. And that is why I will accept this award as a call to action, a call for all nations to confront the common challenges of the 21 century. These challenges cannot be met by any one leader or any one nation.
I'd say it's a good speech... acknowledging it as an affirmation rather than an accomplishment. It isn't anything to get bent out of shape about.
JPMNICK
10-09-2009, 09:56 AM
I didn't vote for Obama and I don't support a lot of his policies (proposed or otherwise), but I am proud to be an American today as this award shows a renewal of respect for America across the world.
It reaffirms the unfortunate, yet pride-inducing fact that America is almost solely responsible for maintaining peace and stability in the tumultuous regions of the world.
you know, until I read this I was just pissed about this whole thing. But this really is exactly how I feel. I did not vote for him, do not love what he is doing, but it is nice that we are being recognized as a changing country.
brettmojo
10-09-2009, 09:57 AM
King Sir Barak Obama, Nobel Prize Recipient and Beany Cup winner...
That has an awesome ring to it :happy:
http://angelinafauxlie.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/250px-goldie_1955.jpg
I didn't vote for Obama and I don't support a lot of his policies (proposed or otherwise), but I am proud to be an American today as this award shows a renewal of respect for America across the world.
It reaffirms the unfortunate, yet pride-inducing fact that America is almost solely responsible for maintaining peace and stability in the tumultuous regions of the world.
you know, until I read this I was just pissed about this whole thing. But this really is exactly how I feel. I did not vote for him, do not love what he is doing, but it is nice that we are being recognized as a changing country.
You both get my John Wayne Award of the day. As he said about JFK in 1960:
"I didn't vote for him but he's my president, and I hope he does a good job."
EliSnow
10-09-2009, 10:00 AM
I didn't vote for Obama and I don't support a lot of his policies (proposed or otherwise), but I am proud to be an American today as this award shows a renewal of respect for America across the world.
It reaffirms the unfortunate, yet pride-inducing fact that America is almost solely responsible for maintaining peace and stability in the tumultuous regions of the world.
That is a great sentiment. Well said.
EliSnow
10-09-2009, 10:02 AM
You both get my John Wayne Award of the day.
He also gave out lighters saying Fuck Communism.
He got it right sometimes.
http://www.goeshare.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/kanye-west-taylor-swift-vma.jpeg
YO OBAMA. I'M GONNA LET YOU FINISH BUT I JUST WANNA SAY THAT BILL CLINTON IS ONE OF THE MOST PEACEFUL MOTHERFUCKERS OF ALL TIME!
Furtherman
10-09-2009, 10:24 AM
http://www.goeshare.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/kanye-west-taylor-swift-vma.jpeg
YO OBAMA. I'M GONNA LET YOU FINISH BUT I JUST WANNA SAY THAT BILL CLINTON IS ONE OF THE MOST PEACEFUL MOTHERFUCKERS OF ALL TIME!
You could have at least but a pix of Bill and Kanye together.
pennington
10-09-2009, 10:26 AM
Obama just won Motor Trend Car-of-the-Year.
Congratulations to the President and his family.
Misteriosa
10-09-2009, 10:27 AM
Obama just won Motor Trend Car-of-the-Year.
Congratulations to the President and his family.
and the award from JD power and associates...
Tenbatsuzen
10-09-2009, 11:04 AM
Look, Patrice said it on O&A today - send oatmeal to africa. Give Patrice a nobel! He's black too!
SatCam
10-09-2009, 11:21 AM
with all this outrage they should rename it to the nigga please award
Jujubees2
10-09-2009, 11:29 AM
with all this outrage they should rename it to the nigga please award
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_c8LNGp0k9_c/SMWooAL3c0I/AAAAAAAADrg/JXj-hYDQU_Y/s400/ani.jpg
I'd say it's a good speech... acknowledging it as an affirmation rather than an accomplishment. It isn't anything to get bent out of shape about.
Let's also point out that Martin Luther King won the NPP before the Voting Rights Act was passed and Nelson Mandela won the NPP before the end of apartheid. There is a track record of award before achievement with the committee.
EliSnow
10-09-2009, 11:42 AM
Let's also point out that Martin Luther King won the NPP before the Voting Rights Act was passed and Nelson Mandela won the NPP before the end of apartheid. There is a track record of award before achievement with the committee.
As I said before, I would say the award is for the pursuit of peace, not the accomplishment of it.
TripleSkeet
10-09-2009, 11:58 AM
Beginning of his acceptance speech:
I'd say it's a good speech... acknowledging it as an affirmation rather than an accomplishment. It isn't anything to get bent out of shape about.
Agreed. I think it was a great speech.
IMSlacker
10-09-2009, 12:03 PM
They're thrilled in Obama's homeland. (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-obama-nobel-kenya10-2009oct10,0,7817211.story)
"It's another win for Kenya and for Africa," said Kenyan student Julius Omondi, 19, saying it was Kenya's second Nobel Prize in five years.
conman823
10-09-2009, 12:54 PM
Let's also point out that Martin Luther King won the NPP before the Voting Rights Act was passed and Nelson Mandela won the NPP before the end of apartheid. There is a track record of award before achievement with the committee.
He is hardly either of those people.
He's a politician, and has done nothing for Peace at all.
CNN just ran a story about how Obama hasn't kept any of his promises to Gays.
But I guess I should get an Academy Award for some great movie I might make some day.
conman823
10-09-2009, 12:56 PM
Since his election last year, Obama, whose grandmother and half-siblings still live in the East Africa country, has been a source of pride and inspiration to Kenyans, many of whom are bitterly disappointed by the corruption and ineffectiveness of their own leaders.
I know how they feel
WRESTLINGFAN
10-09-2009, 01:46 PM
Congrats to Obama for winning a Daytime Emmy on his 1st try... TAKE THAT SUSAN LUCCI !!!!!!
I am enjoying how this is enraging people who hate Obama. I am swimming in joy even though he doesn't deserve it. But even more than that I love the hypocrisy of people, and I'm not accusing anyone on the board of this, who spent 2000-2008 painting anyone who disagreed with them as unpatriotic who in one weeks time cheered when the US lost the Olympics and were disgusted when the US President won the Nobel Peace Prize.
And it's not surprising someone nominated Obama one week into his term. If someone is elected President they will have their sycophants. Some idiotic pundits wrote articles saying Bush deserved the Nobel Peace Prize because he started the Iraq War.
GregoryJoseph
10-09-2009, 02:01 PM
This award means as much as getting into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame...
disneyspy
10-09-2009, 02:04 PM
what you silly americans fail to comprehend is what his election meant to the rest of the world and the perception of future world peace it meant to them,silly closed minded americans
keithy_19
10-09-2009, 02:09 PM
Barack Obama did not deserve the award at this time.
And for all the talk about Bush, who of course should never be honored with the Peace Prize, he did increase humanitarian efforts to combat AIDS in Africa more than any other president.
WRESTLINGFAN
10-09-2009, 02:10 PM
Obama should be the new Manager of the White Sox if Ozzie Guillen isnt back in 2010
Ponyboy
10-09-2009, 02:10 PM
I guess that a Nobel Peace Prize and $2.50 will get you on the subways these days!!!
keithy_19
10-09-2009, 02:11 PM
what you silly americans fail to comprehend is what his election meant to the rest of the world and the perception of future world peace it meant to them,silly closed minded americans
All this on the day he goes to talk about putting more troops in Afghanistan...
underdog
10-09-2009, 02:14 PM
All this on the day he goes to talk about putting more troops in Afghanistan...
...to hopefully secure peace.
This award means as much as getting into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame...
Of which Obama probably deserves it more than you.
Barack Obama did not deserve the award at this time.
And for all the talk about Bush, who of course should never be honored with the Peace Prize, he did increase humanitarian efforts to combat AIDS in Africa more than any other president.
That's YOUR qualitative judgement. The judgement of the Nobel Prize Committee said that he is worthy.
I'm not saying whether he deserves it or not, but under the qualifications of the Prize, he certainly does qualify.
keithy_19
10-09-2009, 03:31 PM
That's YOUR qualitative judgement. The judgement of the Nobel Prize Committee said that he is worthy.
I'm not saying whether he deserves it or not, but under the qualifications of the Prize, he certainly does qualify.
When the voting was done he had done nothing but talk about what he wanted to do. Two weeks of talk are not enough to warrant this. Lofty promises and rhetoric should not be all it takes.
keithy_19
10-09-2009, 03:32 PM
...to hopefully secure peace.
Hasn't that been the goal of most recent military actions?
Serpico1103
10-09-2009, 03:34 PM
Barack Obama did not deserve the award at this time.
And for all the talk about Bush, who of course should never be honored with the Peace Prize, he did increase humanitarian efforts to combat AIDS in Africa more than any other president.
I agree the award was undeserved, but I guess it was a gesture.
AS for Bush: 2/3 of the money for AIDS in Africa went to abstinence only programs run by Christian Bush allies. So, I would not exactly hail Bush as a humanitarian for that. Simply trying to push his religious agenda or reward his supporters. But, I would not call abstinence only programs very helpful in stopping AIDS in Africa.
A little note, Bush's 15B over years to "combat" AIDS equals our spending for 4 months in Iraq. But, no one ever claimed that Bush was good with numbers. Maybe freeing Africans from AIDS would have saved more lives than freeing Iraqis from Saddam.
SonOfSmeagol
10-09-2009, 04:01 PM
I didn't vote for Obama and I don't support a lot of his policies (proposed or otherwise), but I am proud to be an American today as this award shows a renewal of respect for America across the world.
It reaffirms the unfortunate, yet pride-inducing fact that America is almost solely responsible for maintaining peace and stability in the tumultuous regions of the world.
This is well put imo. I too felt good that an American, and a president at that, was a recipient. I'd like to add that the awarding of the prize should never take away anything from the recipient! It would seem to me that the nature of the prize itself precludes negativity!
Yes, maybe there were better nominees (some would say much better nominees), and yes maybe it ratchets the already incredibly high expectations of the man to an even higher level. But I would say that it does give him, and this country, more power to make good. It’s all in how he uses it – the road to peace is not necessarily peaceful (e.g., Afghanistan) or achieved through military and economic appeasement (e.g., Iran and yes – China!). He still has tough decisions to make and I hope this doesn’t “hold him back”. Other than that, what’s the downside?
This article caught my eye with these words: “There comes a time when a President needs to take a real risk”. (http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1929395,00.html)
I have said many times that he has yet to take those risks and make the tough decisions! Now is the time!
keithy_19
10-09-2009, 04:09 PM
This is well put imo. I too felt good that an American, and a president at that, was a recipient. I'd like to add that the awarding of the prize should never take away anything from the recipient! It would seem to me that the nature of the prize itself precludes negativity!
Yes, maybe there were better nominees (some would say much better nominees), and yes maybe it ratchets the already incredibly high expectations of the man to an even higher level. But I would say that it does give him, and this country, more power to make good. It’s all in how he uses it – the road to peace is not necessarily peaceful (e.g., Afghanistan) or achieved through military and economic appeasement (e.g., Iran and yes – China!). He still has tough decisions to make and I hope this doesn’t “hold him back”. Other than that, what’s the downside?
This article caught my eye with these words: “There comes a time when a President needs to take a real risk”. (http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1929395,00.html)
I have said many times that he has yet to take those risks and make the tough decisions! Now is the time!
I don't care if an American wins it. I did not feel any pride. It is an award that, to me, shouldn't matter what country the recipient is from. It's about what they have done. Not expectations of what they will do.
I don't care if an American wins it. I did not feel any pride. It is an award that, to me, shouldn't matter what country the recipient is from. It's about what they have done. Not expectations of what they will do.
No its not. You are grossly misinformed on this topic.
Furtherman
10-09-2009, 04:31 PM
I don't care if an American wins it. I did not feel any pride. It is an award that, to me, shouldn't matter what country the recipient is from. It's about what they have done. Not expectations of what they will do.
And if you had any curiosity as to why he won, except the fact that he's your President, you would have learned that he is a normal Nobel Prize recipient.
Even though what your pundits have said otherwise today.
landarch
10-09-2009, 05:04 PM
what you silly americans fail to comprehend is what his election meant to the rest of the world and the perception of future world peace it meant to them,silly closed minded americans
Thank you, Spy. Thank you very much. Well said sir.
DolaMight
10-09-2009, 05:15 PM
I guarantee Obama wanted nothing to do with this, never saw it comin. It just gives more ammo to his critics claim he's the deity of media.
2 weeks and a award? This even tarnishes the nobel science awards
and he was awarded 880k euros.... = 1,296,152$ USD. Fucking crazy money even for the president. he says it's goin to charity, he should donate it to the deficit.
WRESTLINGFAN
10-09-2009, 05:41 PM
I guarantee Obama wanted nothing to do with this, never saw it comin. It just gives more ammo to his critics claim he's the deity of media.
2 weeks and a award? This even tarnishes the nobel science awards
and he was awarded 880k euros.... = 1,296,152$ USD. Fucking crazy money even for the president. he says it's goin to charity, he should donate it to the deficit.
ACORN can use the money for legal fees
TheMojoPin
10-09-2009, 05:51 PM
Legal fees for what?
WRESTLINGFAN
10-09-2009, 05:53 PM
Legal fees for what?
Just in case charges are brought against them, they are under investigation in a whole bunch of states
zentraed
10-09-2009, 06:34 PM
Returning to the nuclear issue that Epo first brought up. The primary reason cited for Obama receiving the prize was his work with the UN Security Council on strengthening the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/09/president-obama-convenes-meeting-of-un-security-council.html
We now face proliferation of a scope and complexity that demands new strategies and new approaches," the president said. "The historic resolution we just adopted enshrines our shared commitment to a goal of a world without nuclear weapons, and it brings Security Council agreement on a broad framework for action to reduce nuclear dangers as we work toward that goal.
I don't know when the 5 Nobel judges voted, but that UN Security Council meeting was just like two or three weeks ago.
TheMojoPin
10-09-2009, 06:39 PM
Just in case charges are brought against them, they are under investigation in a whole bunch of states
Of course they are. There was so much crying over this scourge to America that, well, they simply HAD to be investigated lest we all be murdered in our sleep.
IamFogHat
10-09-2009, 06:54 PM
Whether he deserves it or not, does this not serve to (and I hate to use this terminology) pull the wool over the world's eyes?
I see this as a good thing, in terms of honestly, no one liked us because of that cocksucking down syndrome fellow that a lot of you voted as president who fucked our country with terrible decisions for 8 years.
Sorry, Goodfellas distracted me, I had an overaching point to make but it's gone now. If I remember I'll say it.
Goddammit.
keithy_19
10-09-2009, 07:42 PM
No its not. You are grossly misinformed on this topic.
The question I posed was quite stupid. I blame the jaeger I've consumed this evening.
SonOfSmeagol
10-09-2009, 07:58 PM
Whether he deserves it or not, does this not serve to (and I hate to use this terminology) pull the wool over the world's eyes?
I see this as a good thing, in terms of honestly, no one liked us because of that cocksucking down syndrome fellow that a lot of you voted as president who fucked our country with terrible decisions for 8 years.
How does this “pull the wool over the world's eyes”.
And the second part is more than a bit disingenuous, I would say. Can you look at this list of UN member states (http://www.un.org/en/members/index.shtml) and specify exactly who would fall into the category of “no one liked us”? Because, honestly, I think there are a lot of serious players on that list who have stood with us, at our side, for many many years now (e.g., NATO and Operation Enduring Freedom) and many other “smaller” ones who have stood with us in spirit if not in force. But since you brought it up, let’s hear it.
Alice S. Fuzzybutt
10-10-2009, 12:13 AM
I love and support Obama (although I really wish he'd step up more).
The sad thing is... his prize is based on Bush's past.
Bush was SO AWFUL as a leader that the Nobel committee is giving Obama a Peace Prize sheerly on MERIT!!!
The world is REJOICING that Obama took office. THE WORLD.
GregoryJoseph
10-10-2009, 03:04 AM
Now would be the PERFECT time to finally bomb Russia...
Dude!
10-10-2009, 05:11 AM
The world is REJOICING that Obama took office. THE WORLD.
THE WORLD may be a bit
of an overstatement
a gaggle of norwegians
certainly
WRESTLINGFAN
10-10-2009, 06:01 AM
THE WORLD may be a bit
of an overstatement
a gaggle of norwegians
certainly
And the country of Kenya:thumbup:
WRESTLINGFAN
10-10-2009, 06:04 AM
And the country of Kenya:thumbup:
In all seriousness, I think this the last parting shot at the cowboy mentality that the world especially Western Europe viewed Dubya as
foodcourtdruide
10-10-2009, 06:53 AM
In all seriousness, I think this the last parting shot at the cowboy mentality that the world especially Western Europe viewed Dubya as
Maybe not the last, but I think what you say is true. I see this as a reaction to Bush.
Dude!
10-10-2009, 06:57 AM
yeah, the african bushmen hated bush
WRESTLINGFAN
10-10-2009, 01:28 PM
Renditions are still going on, There is a very good possibility that more troops are going to Afghanistan whether its 10,000 or 40,000 thats yet to be determined. The fact that George Bush isnt president anymore and Europe loves us now cheapens the Nobel prize and basically makes it some tacky parting gift that people get on game shows
Same policy, but its Obama in Charge simply doesnt cut it.
I do recommend Obama getting the Heisman Trophy in December
It's funny how conservatives in this country only questioned the Nobel Prize when it was given to Jimmy Carter, Al Gore and Barack Obama.
Otherwise it's fine.
Furtherman
10-10-2009, 02:25 PM
And if those conservatives actually cared to learn about the process, they would learn that he is the standard recipient, on par with a majority of past winners.
Al Gore won with a pseudo-science documentary leading his nomination, but he did get a lot of people thinking in the right direction.
WRESTLINGFAN
10-10-2009, 02:28 PM
It's funny how conservatives in this country only questioned the Nobel Prize when it was given to Jimmy Carter, Al Gore and Barack Obama.
Otherwise it's fine.
Out of those 3, Jimmy Carter was the most deserving. I am in no way a supporter of his politics, However his involvement with Habitat for Humanity and monitoring elections in many countries merits him being awarded the Nobel prize
Hoping and wishing a world without nukes after being in office less than 2 weeks in my opinion shouldnt render being awarded the Nobel prize. Obama like many other Presidents get an incomplete for the 1st year of his term. it would have had more validity if it was a few years into his term and there was nuclear disarmament
keithy_19
10-10-2009, 02:55 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.35512cbc2c2778646bd8bce1a73746c 8.1e1&show_article=1
The Tibetan monk, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1989 despite strong Chinese protests, told Obama that "the founding fathers of the United States have made this country the greatest democracy and a champion of freedom and liberty.
"It is, therefore, important for today's American leaders to adopt principled leadership based on these high ideals," he said.
"Such an approach will not only enhance the reputation of the United States, but also contribute tremendously to reducing tension in the world."
Out of those 3, Jimmy Carter was the most deserving. I am in no way a supporter of his politics, However his involvement with Habitat for Humanity and monitoring elections in many countries merits him being awarded the Nobel prize
Hoping and wishing a world without nukes after being in office less than 2 weeks in my opinion shouldnt render being awarded the Nobel prize. Obama like many other Presidents get an incomplete for the 1st year of his term. it would have had more validity if it was a few years into his term and there was nuclear disarmament
Deserving under YOUR requirements. Its not about your requirements, its about the requirements of the committee. God forbid some people learn about the Prize, its history and its original intent.
Furtherman
10-10-2009, 03:00 PM
That llama can be wise.
WRESTLINGFAN
10-10-2009, 03:21 PM
Deserving under YOUR requirements. Its not about your requirements, its about the requirements of the committee. God forbid some people learn about the Prize, its history and its original intent.
A bunch people in a Scandanavian country who love us now that Obama is president was their requirements. They are elated that the nitwit cowboy from Texas isnt in office anymore
So basically thats the same thing as Someone being signed by a team in January and he says that he hopes to have a great year and he will work on his fastball. Hell, already make up your mind and award him the Cy Young award later on in November
Hes in office 2 weeks and thats their fucking requirement?. It has become the equivilant of winning a grammy
A bunch people in a Scandanavian country who love us now that Obama is president was their requirements. They are elated that the nitwit cowboy from Texas isnt in office anymore
So basically thats the same thing as Someone being signed by a team in January and he says that he hopes to have a great year and he will work on his fastball. Hell, already make up your mind and award him the Cy Young award later on in November
Hes in office 2 weeks and thats their fucking requirement?. It has become the equivilant of winning a grammy
Once again, god forbid you learn the process. The submissions are submitted in February and the voting occurs in October. None of us have any information who else is nominated, as that is restricted.
Your willful ignorance on this issue embarrasses all of us.
WRESTLINGFAN
10-10-2009, 03:42 PM
Once again, god forbid you learn the process. The submissions are submitted in February and the voting occurs in October. None of us have any information who else is nominated, as that is restricted.
Your willful ignorance on this issue embarrasses all of us.
Get off your soapbox and spare us the violins already. you are embarassing yourself
I know the process, and the list of restricted names cant be revealed for 50 years. Read what I wrote. He was in office for less than 2 weeks. Youre throwing a hissyfit because of what even some of his supporters on this board are asking. WHAT THE FUCK DID HE DO TO EARN THIS? Yippee some pasty face Scandanavians love us again
keithy_19
10-10-2009, 03:44 PM
Once again, god forbid you learn the process. The submissions are submitted in February and the voting occurs in October. None of us have any information who else is nominated, as that is restricted.
Your willful ignorance on this issue embarrasses all of us.
I believe some of the names have been leaked.
WRESTLINGFAN
10-10-2009, 03:48 PM
Once again, god forbid you learn the process. The submissions are submitted in February and the voting occurs in October. None of us have any information who else is nominated, as that is restricted.
Your willful ignorance on this issue embarrasses all of us.
You are the one who is an embarassment as this shows who was in the running, You are the ignorant one
http://peacekeeping.suite101.com/article.cfm/2009_nobel_peace_prize_205_names_submitted
Get off your soapbox and spare us the violins already. you are embarassing yourself
I know the process, and the list of restricted names cant be revealed for 50 years. Read what I wrote. He was in office for less than 2 weeks. Youre throwing a hissyfit because of what even some of his supporters on this board are asking. WHAT THE FUCK DID HE DO TO EARN THIS? Yippee some pasty face Scandanavians love us again
1. I don't give a shit about the award.
2. I find the conservative screaming about it to be embarrassing. Its fucking dumb.
3. You parroting of the "11 day" talking point shows me the depth of your intellectual curiousity on this topic.
GregoryJoseph
10-10-2009, 03:50 PM
You are the one who is an embarassment
I agree.
epo is an embarrassment, and it has nothing to do with the Nobel Peace Prize.
You are the one who is an embarassment as this shows who was in the running, You are the ignorant one
http://peacekeeping.suite101.com/article.cfm/2009_nobel_peace_prize_205_names_submitted
I'm sorry, I read the information from the Nobel Prize Committee:
Are the nominations made public?
The statutes of the Nobel Foundation restrict disclosure of information about the nominations, whether publicly or privately, for 50 years. The restriction concerns the nominees and nominators, as well as investigations and opinions related to the award of a prize.
I agree.
epo is an embarrassment, and it has nothing to do with the Nobel Peace Prize.
That doesn't fit on a bumper sticker.
WRESTLINGFAN
10-10-2009, 03:54 PM
1. I don't give a shit about the award.
2. I find the conservative screaming about it to be embarrassing. Its fucking dumb.
3. You parroting of the "11 day" talking point shows me the depth of your intellectual curiousity on this topic.
And youre the drone who repeats the talking points of the Obama cheerleading squad aka Huffington Post and Daily Kos that "we hate America" because the Nobel Prize has become a joke
Dude!
10-10-2009, 03:56 PM
That doesn't fit on a bumper sticker.
"Epo is a commie cocksucker"
would
Furtherman
10-10-2009, 04:03 PM
My epo can beat up your Dude!
disneyspy
10-10-2009, 04:04 PM
my epo is an honor poster at ronfez.net
GregoryJoseph
10-10-2009, 04:04 PM
"Epo is a commie cocksucker"
would
I like it!
Dude!
10-10-2009, 04:12 PM
I don't brake for Epo
GregoryJoseph
10-10-2009, 04:13 PM
How about simply "epo is a creepo"?
disneyspy
10-10-2009, 04:14 PM
ass grass or epo,no one rides for free
And youre the drone who repeats the talking points of the Obama cheerleading squad aka Huffington Post and Daily Kos that "we hate America" because the Nobel Prize has become a joke
By following the very same process that they've used since inception, they are now a joke?
You
are
an
idiot.
keithy_19
10-10-2009, 04:21 PM
And youre the drone who repeats the talking points of the Obama cheerleading squad aka Huffington Post and Daily Kos that "we hate America" because the Nobel Prize has become a joke
To be fair, several writers on Huffington Post have criticized the decision of giving Obama the prize.
To be fair, several writers on Huffington Post have criticized the decision of giving Obama the prize.
To be fair, I haven't read the Huffington Post in weeks. I did however visit the Daily Kos once yesterday morning.
How about simply "epo is a creepo"?
I personally use "Gregory is the new Hippo."
Dude!
10-10-2009, 04:24 PM
Honk if you hate Epo
SonOfSmeagol
10-10-2009, 04:25 PM
That doesn't fit on a bumper sticker.
epo.com (http://www.epo.com/)=truth
keithy_19
10-10-2009, 04:26 PM
To be fair, I haven't read the Huffington Post in weeks. I did however visit the Daily Kos once yesterday morning.
To be fair, that's fair.
foodcourtdruide
10-10-2009, 04:28 PM
I'm half the epo I used to be.
WRESTLINGFAN
10-10-2009, 05:04 PM
By following the very same process that they've used since inception, they are now a joke?
You
are
an
idiot.
3 Days after being sworn in he orders drone attacks in Pakistan Killing civilians. Thats a man of peace according to a group of people in Oslo? Like I said before, same policy, but its Obama so throw him a bone and award him the Nobel prize. Case fucking closed!!!!
http://abcnews.go.com/International/Inauguration/Story?id=6724182&page=1
The fact that many people who are watercarriers for Obama including Chris Matthews and Ed Schultz who stated that Bush isnt in office and that Europe loves us again because Obama is president was a factor that he won proves my point. Winning an election after a very hated and unpopular president merits someone the Nobel prize. Norway loves America again
Renditions continuing check, Possible troop surge in Afghanistan check. Not closing Gitmo on time check. President Obama man of peace
Dude!
10-10-2009, 05:39 PM
Epo is not my co-pilot
Furtherman
10-10-2009, 05:39 PM
My other car is an epo.
Dude!
10-10-2009, 05:43 PM
When Epo is outlawed,
only outlaws will have Epo
keithy_19
10-10-2009, 05:50 PM
How about just a cartoon of epo peeing on an American flag?
WRESTLINGFAN
10-10-2009, 05:55 PM
How about just a cartoon of epo peeing on an American flag?
not this one
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c60bf53ef0120a62dbd3a970c-popup
Furtherman
10-10-2009, 06:03 PM
Don't blame me I voted for epo.
Dude!
10-10-2009, 06:12 PM
Palin-Epo in 2012
Furtherman
10-10-2009, 06:28 PM
If you can read this you're to epo.
keithy_19
10-10-2009, 06:28 PM
These epo's don't run.
Furtherman
10-10-2009, 06:32 PM
Follow Me! To The Springfield Epo!
keithy_19
10-10-2009, 06:36 PM
What if epo is what it's all about?
Dude!
10-10-2009, 06:52 PM
Think Epo, Act Locally
keithy_19
10-10-2009, 06:55 PM
Epo, the other white meat.
GregoryJoseph
10-10-2009, 10:44 PM
One country, one flag, one epo.
Suspect Chin
10-10-2009, 11:25 PM
Bush Lied, Epo Died.
TooLowBrow
10-10-2009, 11:43 PM
Semper Epo
keithy_19
10-11-2009, 02:23 AM
Not my epo.
disneyspy
10-11-2009, 03:45 AM
have you hugged your epo today?
Let's also point out that Martin Luther King won the NPP before the Voting Rights Act was passed and Nelson Mandela won the NPP before the end of apartheid. There is a track record of award before achievement with the committee.
True, but both men were unjustly jailed at one time (Mandela for QUITE some time) and had been working their respective causes for a few years. The only hardship Obama has faced in his 9 months in office is diminished approval ratings.
Dude!
10-11-2009, 10:31 AM
i'm opening this up to jingles...
epo, a little dab will do ya
use more, only if you dare
watch out the gals will avoid ya
the'll run away cause they are truly scared
sailor
10-11-2009, 12:07 PM
By following the very same process that they've used since inception, they are now a joke?
You
are
an
idiot.
hasn't it typically been given out to honor a lifetime of work? like carter, tutu and walesa (the only ones i can think of off the top of my head).
led37zep
10-11-2009, 12:09 PM
Its universally understood that this was far too early to give Obama the Peace Prize right?
I don't want to read the bitching in this thread but rather make a statement and never check the thread again...deal?
hasn't it typically been given out to honor a lifetime of work? like carter, tutu and walesa (the only ones i can think of off the top of my head).
By its very definition, the NPP is not a lifetime achievement award.
I hate this thread.
Dude!
10-11-2009, 12:16 PM
I hate this thread.
Make Love, not Epo
Jujubees2
10-11-2009, 12:26 PM
Epo means never having to say you're sorry.
Ponyboy
10-11-2009, 12:52 PM
I'll give you my epo when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.
badmonkey
10-11-2009, 01:16 PM
epo is as epo does
not in my epo
don't epo where you eat
badmonkey
10-11-2009, 01:21 PM
i'm opening this up to jingles...
epo, a little dab will do ya
use more, only if you dare
watch out the gals will avoid ya
the'll run away cause they are truly scared
dunno if this qualifies as a jingle but....
Ya put your left wing in
Ya put your left wing out
Ya put your left wing in and ya epo all about...
Dude!
10-11-2009, 01:22 PM
epo on board!
You can't make an epo without breaking a few eggs.
Leggo my epo.
sailor
10-11-2009, 01:35 PM
Make Love, not Epo
make tea, not epo.
Jujubees2
10-11-2009, 02:07 PM
All we are saying is give EPO a chance
SonOfSmeagol
10-11-2009, 02:46 PM
Wife, dog, gun, and epo missing.
Reward for epo.
badmonkey
10-11-2009, 02:53 PM
If you can read this, the epo fell off.
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