Lou Dobbs driven off CNN by illegal aliens [Archive]

epo

11-11-2009, 05:20 PM

foodcourtdruide

11-11-2009, 05:21 PM

Want to talk about screennames? So what do u prefer? Sbarros or Ranch one?

I can't imagine ever caring that someone has made fun of my screenname.

Was bbm's catch phrase "if you can't do the crime, don't do the time?"

WRESTLINGFAN

11-11-2009, 05:21 PM

So now he's free to go on Imus' show

WRESTLINGFAN

11-11-2009, 05:24 PM

I can't imagine ever caring that someone has made fun of my screenname.

Was bbm's catch phrase "if you can't do the crime, don't do the time?"

I think youre more of a taco bell express airport person. Just don't tap your feet in the mens bathroom

KnoxHarrington

11-11-2009, 05:26 PM

He's starting to round the bend into Glen Beck territory anyway.

I think Dobbs was pushing the "birther" bullshit long after Beck moved on to other things to cry like a homo about.

foodcourtdruide

11-11-2009, 05:27 PM

I think youre more of a taco bell express airport person. Just don't tap your feet in the mens bathroom

Well, I was hoping someone would eventually ask me about foodcourts. Honestly, I don't really like foodcourt food. I enjoy auntie annes pretzels very much ( the cinnamon ones), but cinnabon once gave me diarrhea.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-11-2009, 05:29 PM

This is going to be a win for Fox business if he ends up going there. Their ratings have gone up since Imus and Stossel came aboard. Who knows it might drive CNBC to MSNBC type ratings

high fly

11-11-2009, 05:33 PM

I can't imagine ever caring that someone has made fun of my screenname.

Was bbm's catch phrase "if you can't do the crime, don't do the time?"

Maybe, but Robert Blake was using it in the 70s when he played Baretta.........

IMSlacker

11-11-2009, 05:33 PM

This is going to be a win for Fox business if he ends up going there. Their ratings have gone up since Imus and Stossel came aboard. Who knows it might drive CNBC to MSNBC type ratings

Wouldn't Fox be worried about him taking ratings away from whatever FNC show he'd be up against though?

WRESTLINGFAN

11-11-2009, 05:36 PM

Wouldn't Fox be worried about him taking ratings away from whatever FNC show he'd be up against though?

They might have to factor a time slot. Hes on the radio in the afternoon. Maybe he can go on at 7pm. Im sure they wouldnt be worried about going up against Chris Matthews, more people are watching their fish tanks Even though Shep Smith has great ratings hes not a favorite of many fox viewers. Theres also 6pm. Does Cavuto rally need to be on at 4pm on FNC then at 6 on the Business channel?

WRESTLINGFAN

11-11-2009, 05:40 PM

Id like him to go on Telemundo

IMSlacker

11-11-2009, 05:46 PM

Here's the thing though, CNN is letting him out of his contract two years early. It seems unlikely that they'd let him go to a rival network. I think Dude! might be right about him running for office.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-11-2009, 06:01 PM

Maybe I should start an I hate CBS news. As expected they distort his views and call him anti immigrant when he is anti illegal immigration

Thena gain those are the same dopes who pay a middle aged barbie doll 15mm a year to read the news

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/11/national/main5620224.shtml?tag=stack

Serpico1103

11-11-2009, 07:37 PM

Maybe I should start an I hate CBS news. As expected they distort his views and call him anti immigrant when he is anti illegal immigration
Thena gain those are the same dopes who pay a middle aged barbie doll 15mm a year to read the news
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/11/national/main5620224.shtml?tag=stack

Maybe I miss in the article where CBS calls Dobbs "anti immigrant."

TheMojoPin

11-11-2009, 07:40 PM

Maybe I miss in the article where CBS calls Dobbs "anti immigrant."

That's just what WF does.

high fly

11-11-2009, 07:53 PM

Maybe I miss in the article where CBS calls Dobbs "anti immigrant."

Dobbs wear a flag pin?

IMSlacker

11-11-2009, 07:59 PM

Maybe I miss in the article where CBS calls Dobbs "anti immigrant."

It's in the sub-headline:

Longtime Anchor Known for Anti-Immigration Views; Wednesday’s Program His Last on Network

TheMojoPin

11-11-2009, 08:00 PM

It's in the sub-headline:

THAT'S NOT IN THE ARTICLE, YOU COCKSUCKER!

foodcourtdruide

11-11-2009, 08:32 PM

It's in the sub-headline:

I hope this leads to a 7 page argument between Mojo and WF about what "in the article" means. Mojo is repo man.

TheMojoPin

11-11-2009, 08:52 PM

I hope this leads to a 7 page argument between Mojo and WF about what "in the article" means. Mojo is repo man.

Pass. I assumed wrong and shoulda read the article.

keithy_19

11-11-2009, 09:42 PM

They might have to factor a time slot. Hes on the radio in the afternoon. Maybe he can go on at 7pm. Im sure they wouldnt be worried about going up against Chris Matthews, more people are watching their fish tanks Even though Shep Smith has great ratings hes not a favorite of many fox viewers. Theres also 6pm. Does Cavuto rally need to be on at 4pm on FNC then at 6 on the Business channel?

7 PM on FOX News? And take off Shep? I doubt it. To be honest, Shep is one of my favorites on the station because he's the most likely to speak his mind and go against conservative ideas.

He won't go on at 6 either considering you have Special Report at that time. I could see him sneaking on the business channel, but I don't see them making a change to their lineup right now.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 03:09 AM

Pass. I assumed wrong and shoulda read the article.

Mojo will turn it into a debate and try to say that people opposed to illegal aliens being here are somehow anti immigrant

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 06:03 AM

A history of hate? these tax exempt special interests love attention

http://www.dropdobbs.com/a-history-of-hate/

A.J.

11-12-2009, 06:07 AM

I heard that he's being deported. (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/u_s_deports_lou_dobbs)

TheMojoPin

11-12-2009, 06:18 AM

Mojo will turn it into a debate and try to say that people opposed to illegal aliens being here are somehow anti immigrant

When have I ever done that?

There's a difference between the people who are rational over the issue and then Lou Dobbs, who is simply xenophobic to the point of absurd paranoia:

He continuously claimed that Mexicans were spreading leprosy into the US (which was proven false) (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/30/business/30leonhardt.html?_r=1), claimed that Hispanic organizations were trying to kill him (which was false) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/isabel-macdonald/nj-law-enforcement-appear_b_339696.html), used information and invites guests from segregationist/white supremacist groups (http://mediamatters.org/research/200802060006) while trying to pass it off as nothing *, and claimed that a visit by the Mexican president (http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200903030035) was a part of a plot to reconquer the SW of the US for Mexico (http://mediamatters.org/research/200605240011).

* Using materials and inviting people from the Council of Conservative Citizens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Conservative_Citizens) , contributors to American Renaissance (magazine) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Renaissance_%28magazine%29) and others (http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2008/07/31/lou-dobbs-citing-extremists-again/)

Kublakhan61

11-12-2009, 06:24 AM

Thena gain those are the same dopes who pay a middle aged barbie doll 15mm a year to read the news

There's no such thing as a middle aged barbie doll. She is timeless.

disneyspy

11-12-2009, 06:45 AM

he shoulda done the interview with her

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/07/morenaV.jpg

Crossweird

11-12-2009, 06:51 AM

Lou Dobbs driven off CNN by illegal aliens

Probably in a '79 Ford pickup.

boosterp

11-12-2009, 12:15 PM

Probably in a '79 Ford pickup.

88 Chevy 1500 if in Texas.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 12:30 PM

When have I ever done that?

There's a difference between the people who are rational over the issue and then Lou Dobbs, who is simply xenophobic to the point of absurd paranoia:

He continuously claimed that Mexicans were spreading leprosy into the US (which was proven false) (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/30/business/30leonhardt.html?_r=1), claimed that Hispanic organizations were trying to kill him (which was false) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/isabel-macdonald/nj-law-enforcement-appear_b_339696.html), used information and invites guests from segregationist/white supremacist groups (http://mediamatters.org/research/200802060006) while trying to pass it off as nothing *, and claimed that a visit by the Mexican president (http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200903030035) was a part of a plot to reconquer the SW of the US for Mexico (http://mediamatters.org/research/200605240011).

* Using materials and inviting people from the Council of Conservative Citizens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Conservative_Citizens) , contributors to American Renaissance (magazine) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Renaissance_%28magazine%29) and others (http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2008/07/31/lou-dobbs-citing-extremists-again/)

The one sideness of the almighty Media matters. It only matters to them. Why don't they point out that Dobbs had the head of La Raza and a few other Latino special interest groups. He's also had people from the SPLC on

While everyone wants diversity, theres a commentator and opinion host that opposes illegal immigration and all these tax exempt groups come out of the wood work. Well for them its Mission accomplished

Dobbs is Married to a Mexican, so all this talk about him and hate speech and hating mexicans is nothing but sensationalism

TheMojoPin

11-12-2009, 12:46 PM

The one sideness of the almighty Media matters. It only matters to them. Why don't they point out that Dobbs had the head of La Raza and a few other Latino special interest groups. He's also had people from the SPLC on

They do point that out it in the articles.

While everyone wants diversity, theres a commentator and opinion host that opposes illegal immigration and all these tax exempt groups come out of the wood work. Well for them its Mission accomplished

So in your mind having Hispanic activism groups and getting information from white supremacy groups are comparable? That's your idea of "balancing out" the perspectives on his show?

Dobbs is Married to a Mexican, so all this talk about him and hate speech and hating mexicans is nothing but sensationalism

How can you say this with a straight face? He said all of those things I linked to. I didn't make them up. Those were sensational things that HE said and were soundly disproved, not the other way around.

And I take it you also don't understand how someone could easily be married to an American of Mexican descent and be xenphobic towards people entering the country today.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 12:51 PM

They do point that out it in the articles.

So in your mind having Hispanic activism groups and getting information from white supremacy groups are comparable? That's your idea of "balancing out" the perspectives on his show?

How can you say this with a straight face? He said all of those things I linked to. I didn't make them up. Those were sensational things that HE said and were soundly disproved, not the other way around.

And I take it you also don't understand how someone could easily be married to an American of Mexican descent and be xenphobic towards people entering the country today.

FAIR is a supremacy group? According to the SPLC everyone who doesnt fall lockstep to their agenda is a hate group. Dobbs wasnt calling for any harm to People from Latin American countries. BTW someone from Guatemala or Mexico isnt hispanic. Hispaniola is what as known as Present day Haiti and DR. Isnt hispanic a term for the census?

Dobbs doesnt want people coming here ILLEGALLY!!!!!! Thank you for proving my point that this sensationalism about being anti illegal immigration means anti immigrant to the open borders lobby and the special interests

Serpico1103

11-12-2009, 12:54 PM

1) BTW someone from Guatemala or Mexico isnt hispanic.
2) Isnt hispanic a term for the census?

1) Wrong.
2) Wrong.
His·pan·ic (h-spnk)
adj.
1. Of or relating to Spain or Spanish-speaking Latin America.
2. Of or relating to a Spanish-speaking people or culture.
n.
1. A Spanish-speaking person.
2. A U.S. citizen or resident of Latin-American or Spanish descent.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 01:00 PM

1) Wrong.
2) Wrong.
His·pan·ic (h-spnk)
adj.
1. Of or relating to Spain or Spanish-speaking Latin America.
2. Of or relating to a Spanish-speaking people or culture.
n.
1. A Spanish-speaking person.
2. A U.S. citizen or resident of Latin-American or Spanish descent.

I must be "Hispanic' then I speak Spanish

His⋅pan⋅io⋅la /ˌhɪspənˈyoʊlə; Sp. ˌispɑnˈyɔlɑ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [his-puhn-yoh-luh; Sp. ees-pahn-yaw-lah] Show IPA
Use hispaniola in a Sentence
See web results for hispaniola
See images of hispaniola
–noun an island in the West Indies, comprising the republic of Haiti and the Dominican Republic. 29,843 sq. mi. (77,293 sq. km).

I see we used the same website. You forgot to mention this portion. So Hispanic is more of a general term used very freely

USAGE NOTE Though often used interchangeably in American English, Hispanic and Latino are not identical terms, and in certain contexts the choice between them can be significant. Hispanic, from the Latin word for "Spain," has the broader reference, potentially encompassing all Spanish-speaking peoples in both hemispheres and emphasizing the common denominator of language among communities that sometimes have little else in common. Latino-which in Spanish means "Latin" but which as an English word is probably a shortening of the Spanish word latinoamericano-refers more exclusively to persons or communities of Latin American origin. Of the two, only Hispanic can be used in referring to Spain and its history and culture; a native of Spain residing in the United States is a Hispanic, not a Latino, and one cannot substitute Latino in the phrase the Hispanic influence on native Mexican cultures without garbling the meaning. In practice, however, this distinction is of little significance when referring to residents of the United States, most of whom are of Latin American origin and can theoretically be called by either word. • A more important distinction concerns the sociopolitical rift that has opened between Latino and Hispanic in American usage. For a certain segment of the Spanish-speaking population, Latino is a term of ethnic pride and Hispanic a label that borders on the offensive. According to this view, Hispanic lacks the authenticity and cultural resonance of Latino, with its Spanish sound and its ability to show the feminine form Latina when used of women. Furthermore, Hispanic-the term used by the U.S. Census Bureau and other government agencies-is said to bear the stamp of an Anglo establishment far removed from the concerns of the Spanish-speaking community. While these views are strongly held by some, they are by no means universal, and the division in usage seems as related to geography as it is to politics, with Latino widely preferred in California and Hispanic the more usual term in Florida and Texas. Even in these regions, however, usage is often mixed, and it is not uncommon to find both terms used by the same writer or speaker. See Usage Notes at Chicano

high fly

11-12-2009, 01:02 PM

He continuously claimed that Mexicans were spreading leprosy into the US (which was proven false), claimed that Hispanic organizations were trying to kill him (which was false), used information and invites guests from segregationist/white supremacist groups while trying to pass it off as nothing *, and claimed that a visit by the Mexican president was a part of a plot to reconquer the SW of the US for Mexico.

* Using materials and inviting people from the Council of Conservative Citizens , contributors to American Renaissance (magazine) and others

The one sideness of the almighty Media matters. It only matters to them.

Well then, please give the other side to the story about:

"* He continuously claimed that Mexicans were spreading leprosy into the US,"
* "claimed that Hispanic organizations were trying to kill him,"
* "used information and invites guests from segregationist/white supremacist groups while trying to pass it off as nothing"
* "and claimed that a visit by the Mexican president was a part of a plot to reconquer the SW of the US for Mexico."

I would like to see the "balanced" side of those stories so I can get a better understanding of how badly Media Matters twisted them....

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 01:03 PM

Can Portuguese, French and Italians be Latinos also? Those languages are derived from Latin

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 01:07 PM

Well then, please give the other side to the story about:

"* He continuously claimed that Mexicans were spreading leprosy into the US,"
* "claimed that Hispanic organizations were trying to kill him,"
* "used information and invites guests from segregationist/white supremacist groups while trying to pass it off as nothing"
* "and claimed that a visit by the Mexican president was a part of a plot to reconquer the SW of the US for Mexico."

I would like to see the "balanced" side of those stories so I can get a better understanding of how badly Media Matters twisted them....

Well when other Media outlets like MSNBC have hosts spewing racism, are they quick to report that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2XbMqZFjCI

Say something about Pelosi and plastic surgery and thats on their site in a blink of an eye

mikeyboy

11-12-2009, 01:09 PM

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 01:09 PM

Probably in a '79 Ford pickup.

I hope the driver wasnt drunk

TheMojoPin

11-12-2009, 01:10 PM

FAIR is a supremacy group? According to the SPLC everyone who doesnt fall lockstep to their agenda is a hate group.

Where did I say FAIR was a supremacy group? I made it very clear which organizations I was talking about in the post. I even put a fucking footnote in it to show who I was tlaking about.

Dobbs wasnt calling for any harm to People from Latin American countries. BTW someone from Guatemala or Mexico isnt hispanic. Hispaniola is what as known as Present day Haiti and DR. Isnt hispanic a term for the census?

You would think someone so obsessed with immigration would know these things...or at least wouldn't be this wrong.

Dobbs doesnt want people coming here ILLEGALLY!!!!!! Thank you for proving my point that this sensationalism about being anti illegal immigration means anti immigrant to the open borders lobby and the special interests

He doesn't want people here ILLEGALLY!!!!!!! to the point that he's flat out lying about foreigners in general bringing in leprosy and trying to kill him. HE'S the one being sensational.

Serpico1103

11-12-2009, 01:11 PM

Lou Dobbs' immigration policy- help the cause, marry a wet-back.

TheMojoPin

11-12-2009, 01:11 PM

Well when other Media outlets like MSNBC have hosts spewing racism, are they quick to report that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2XbMqZFjCI

Say something about Pelosi and plastic surgery and thats on their site in a blink of an eye

And so yet again you completely abandon the tract of discussion and bring up something totally unrelated when you can't back up your own argument.

Let's look at the laundry list on this topic alone:

-Bringing up a pointless semantics argument over the use of "Hispanic."
-Claiming I said FAIR was a white supremacist group.
-Deflecting to MSNBC yet again when you can't answer or refute the points agains Dodd
-Implied that having on groups like La Raza are the balanced equivalent of using information from white supremacist groups.

TheMojoPin

11-12-2009, 01:12 PM

I hope the driver wasnt drunk

Odds are they wouldn't be.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 01:18 PM

You're deflecting.

Fox wants all of the poor peasants from Mexico swarming over the border. While the claim of leprosy is a false one he should have focused on the other diseases being brought across the border like TB for example.

How is FAIR a hate group? According to the SPLC? Lets give them all the authority to label everyone. A hate group is the WBC

Dobbs show was labeled as News, Commentary and Opinion. Just because it made LaRaza cry they forced him out.

Dobbs is going to win in the end. CNNs ratings are worse than MSNBC's and thats really lowering the bar

Serpico1103

11-12-2009, 01:18 PM

A major problem in my neighborhood is hispanics, latinos, latinas, and some mexicans vandalizing private property. They are cutting the grass, raking leaves and trimming hedges.
I overheard at the dojo people saying they are afraid the illegal immigrants will clean their pools or wash the dishes when they eat out.

mikeyboy

11-12-2009, 01:24 PM

Fox wants all of the poor peasants from Mexico swarming over the border. While the claim of leprosy is a false one he should have focused on the other diseases being brought across the border like TB for example.

How is FAIR a hate group? According to the SPLC? Lets give them all the authority to label everyone. A hate group is the WBC

Dobbs show was labeled as News, Commentary and Opinion. Just because it made LaRaza cry they forced him out.

Dobbs is going to win in the end. CNNs ratings are worse than MSNBC's and thats really lowering the bar

You still aren't addressing the stuff high fly raised.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 01:24 PM

And so yet again you completely abandon the tract of discussion and bring up something totally unrelated when you can't back up your own argument.

Let's look at the laundry list on this topic alone:

-Bringing up a pointless semantics argument over the use of "Hispanic."
-Claiming I said FAIR was a white supremacist group.
-Deflecting to MSNBC yet again when you can't answer or refute the points agains Dodd
-Implied that having on groups like La Raza are the balanced equivalent of using information from white supremacist groups.

-Thats not Pointless Semantics.
-I didnt say that you mentioned FAIR I mentioned that SPLC called them a hate group
-I called out Media matters for being 1 sided and not putting up a "progressives" racist words in a split second

I will say it again Dobbs doesn't hate Mexicans!!!!!

Serpico1103

11-12-2009, 01:25 PM

You still aren't addressing the stuff high fly raised.

He needs a scroll under the post with large font bullet points next to the post.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 01:30 PM

He needs a scroll under the post with large font bullet points next to the post.

IS THIS BIG ENOUGH FOR YOU?

Heres my rebuttal to HF's post

He's giving an arena for that particular group to voice their opinion. While dont fall into that camp whatsoever, They have a right to be heard even if I dont agree with their opinions. Didnt either Hannity or Oreilly have Phelps-Roper on their shows? Does it mean they condone them? Absolutely not

Free speech is a right and while I find it repulsive what Phelps or anyone like that does. Its their right

mikeyboy

11-12-2009, 01:33 PM

IS THIS BIG ENOUGH FOR YOU?

Heres my rebuttal to HF's post

He's giving an arena for that particular group to voice their opinion. While dont fall into that camp whatsoever, They have a right to be heard even if I dont agree with their opinions. Didnt either Hannity or Oreilly have Phelps-Roper on their shows? Does it mean they condone them? Absolutely not

Free speech is a right and while I find it repulsive what Phelps or anyone like that does. Its their right

keep going

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 01:34 PM

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 01:37 PM

Serpico1103

11-12-2009, 01:37 PM

Was he a Peruvian immigrant who's family orignally was from Japan?

"He?" That is a very sexist remark. Are woman incapable of doing those jobs?

I understand your hatred for Mexicans, they carry leprosy and other horrible disease, but why single out women?

Serpico1103

11-12-2009, 01:38 PM

I guess youre in the ritzy side where you dont have to deal with the overcrowded houses, 15 satellite dishes all over the house.

And who owns that house? An illegal immigrant? Or more likely a republican who complains about high tax rates cutting into his illegal rental income?

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 01:39 PM

"He?" That is a very sexist remark. Are woman incapable of doing those jobs?

I understand your hatred for Mexicans, they carry leprosy and other horrible disease, but why single out women?

Wow, you also fall into that hack category of marginalizing anyone who opposes illegal immigration that "hates mexicans"

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 01:42 PM

And who owns that house? An illegal immigrant? Or more likely a republican who complains about high tax rates cutting into his illegal rental income?

WOW!!!!! do you even bother reading my posts that I have said that the landlords of those flophouses, and employers should also be punished. What's your generalization that I heart Republicans? THEY ARE JUST AS BAD!!!!! Look at Dubya , McCain and Graham for example

TheMojoPin

11-12-2009, 01:48 PM

This is pointless. It's like trying to debate with the worst case of ADD of all time.

Serpico1103

11-12-2009, 01:51 PM

Wow, you also fall into that hack category of marginalizing anyone who opposes illegal immigration that "hates mexicans"

No, I marginalize them as paranoids who are easily frightened.

WOW!!!!! do you even bother reading my posts that I have said that the landlords of those flophouses, and employers should also be punished. What's your generalization that I heart Republicans? THEY ARE JUST AS BAD!!!!! Look at Dubya , McCain and Graham for example

I read them.
No, need to tell me the Republicans are bad. However, I will not accept your "just as bad" categorization. Dubya belongs on a level all his own. While, McCain could have earned my respect if he stood up for himself back in 2004.

I think focusing on the immigrants takes the focus from where it belongs. On the employers. So, I have no patience for any discussion about protecting the borders. Arrest every small contractor and landscaper first.

foodcourtdruide

11-12-2009, 02:32 PM

This debate has left the realm of reality.

boosterp

11-12-2009, 03:11 PM

This is pointless. It's like trying to debate with the worst case of ADD of all time.

More like schizophrenic.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 03:20 PM

No, I marginalize them as paranoids who are easily frightened.

I read them.
No, need to tell me the Republicans are bad. However, I will not accept your "just as bad" categorization. Dubya belongs on a level all his own. While, McCain could have earned my respect if he stood up for himself back in 2004.

I think focusing on the immigrants takes the focus from where it belongs. On the employers. So, I have no patience for any discussion about protecting the borders. Arrest every small contractor and landscaper first.

Im not frightened or paranoid, Just sick at the politicians, big business and all the special interests who pander to the illegal aliens, and I don't like my taxdollars going to subsidize them either. Let the Churches take care of them since they rely on poor gullible uneducated people to fill the pews, especially the Catholic church

Yes the Landlords and Employers are just as guilty. 17% of Americans out of work and you want me to feel sorry for People who snuck into this country? I sure as hell dont want to babysit them

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 03:28 PM

Where are all those Jobs Obama saved? Dobbs just lost his

Serpico1103

11-12-2009, 03:37 PM

Yes the Landlords and Employers are just as guilty. 17% of Americans out of work and you want me to feel sorry for People who snuck into this country? I sure as hell dont want to babysit them

I don't remember anyone asking you to babysit.
You don't have to feel bad for them, you also don't have to list them high on the list of things the government needs to focus on.

boosterp

11-12-2009, 03:38 PM

17% of Americans out of work and you want me to feel sorry for People who snuck into this country? I sure as hell dont want to babysit them

Try 10.2%, where didd you get 17?

Linky (http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm)

high fly

11-12-2009, 03:52 PM

Try 10.2%, where didd you get 17?

Linky (http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm)

The difference is counting methodology.
The official rate just includes those who are out of work and are still looking.

Either way, we still have not gotten as high as the 10.8% unemployment delivered once Reaganomics was passed.
Using the word "Reaganesque" for the current unemployment rate would be warranted.....

Dude!

11-12-2009, 04:00 PM

The difference is counting methodology.
The official rate just includes those who are out of work and are still looking.

Either way, we still have not gotten as high as the 10.8% unemployment delivered once Reaganomics was passed.
Using the word "Reaganesque" for the current unemployment rate would be warranted.....

it's not important what it was
WHEN it passed
it's important what it became
AFTER it passed

and that was lower...much lower

boosterp

11-12-2009, 04:04 PM

The difference is counting methodology.
The official rate just includes those who are out of work and are still looking.

Either way, we still have not gotten as high as the 10.8% unemployment delivered once Reaganomics was passed.
Using the word "Reaganesque" for the current unemployment rate would be warranted.....

Again, where does the 17 come in. Hell, I guess I could count those retired and also those in nursing homes to come up with a higher percentage.

foodcourtdruide

11-12-2009, 04:07 PM

Im not frightened or paranoid, Just sick at the politicians, big business and all the special interests who pander to the illegal aliens, and I don't like my taxdollars going to subsidize them either. Let the Churches take care of them since they rely on poor gullible uneducated people to fill the pews, especially the Catholic church

Yes the Landlords and Employers are just as guilty. 17% of Americans out of work and you want me to feel sorry for People who snuck into this country? I sure as hell dont want to babysit them

Who on earth is asking you to babysit them? What does that even man?

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 05:11 PM

Who on earth is asking you to babysit them? What does that even man?

Ok lets start with the adults

My tax dollars here in Stamford are being used in a certain section for a gathering site for illegals so these god damned contractors/landscapers and anyone else to pick these people up. There were port a potties installed by the I 95 Overpass as well as tables and benches and what do the illegals do? Stand like a bunch of dopes by Exit 8, blocking traffic and pissing in public throwing their garbage on the ground. I also remember when the Town of Mamaroneck was forced to build a hiring center with taxpayer dollars for them. Again why cant the churches fulfill this need? They are supposed to assist the needy. Also taxdollars are being used on public defenders and translators when they commit crimes . Again many have been arrested for rape, drug dealing, child molestation and stabbing as well as robbery and murder

Now the women. They are being subsidized for pre and post natal care, childbirth and they pay Nothing not one dollar.

We are providing illegals and their anchor babies with welfare, healthcare, food stamps, their anchor babies become automatic citizens just because mom and dad hopped a fence

All children regardless of status are to be educated in Public schools again on our dime. When an illegal drinks too much, has a hangnail or has another baby, Its straight to the ER and once again they pay nada

While Im a libertarian and really am not a fan of taxes, I would support a tax on all money being wired out of the United States in the from of remittances. How do you think those haciendas south of the border were built?

IMSlacker

11-12-2009, 05:14 PM

Where are all those Jobs Obama saved? Dobbs just lost his

Quitters don't count.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 05:14 PM

Again, where does the 17 come in. Hell, I guess I could count those retired and also those in nursing homes to come up with a higher percentage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vU_yxAYvVA

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 05:16 PM

Need Kidney Dialysis? The doors open

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008369322_immigdialysis09.html?syndication=rss

foodcourtdruide

11-12-2009, 05:40 PM

Ok lets start with the adults

My tax dollars here in Stamford are being used in a certain section for a gathering site for illegals so these god damned contractors/landscapers and anyone else to pick these people up. There were port a potties installed by the I 95 Overpass as well as tables and benches and what do the illegals do? Stand like a bunch of dopes by Exit 8, blocking traffic and pissing in public throwing their garbage on the ground. I also remember when the Town of Mamaroneck was forced to build a hiring center with taxpayer dollars for them. Again why cant the churches fulfill this need? They are supposed to assist the needy. Also taxdollars are being used on public defenders and translators when they commit crimes . Again many have been arrested for rape, drug dealing, child molestation and stabbing as well as robbery and murder

Now the women. They are being subsidized for pre and post natal care, childbirth and they pay Nothing not one dollar.

We are providing illegals and their anchor babies with welfare, healthcare, food stamps, their anchor babies become automatic citizens just because mom and dad hopped a fence

All children regardless of status are to be educated in Public schools again on our dime. When an illegal drinks too much, has a hangnail or has another baby, Its straight to the ER and once again they pay nada

While Im a libertarian and really am not a fan of taxes, I would support a tax on all money being wired out of the United States in the from of remittances. How do you think those haciendas south of the border were built?

You are totally discounting the economic benefits illegal immigrants bring to this country. You are basically given a poor working class that the government didn't have to pay to educate. Most don't pay income taxes, but they make such little money that its not a big deal and they do pay sales tax. I have never ever seen a convincing study that illegals either are a significant cost or benefit to our country economically.

Also, when you mention anchor babies those are LEGAL citizens. So, are we talking about LEGAL citizens or illegals?

And please, stop acting like illegal immigrants commit a disproportionate amount of crime compared to others in their economic class unless you could back it up with more than "well, I know someone that says..." Those types of arguments convince no one and are a waste of time. You may as well try to convince us that Desperate Housewives is based on a true story.

foodcourtdruide

11-12-2009, 05:42 PM

Need Kidney Dialysis? The doors open

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008369322_immigdialysis09.html?syndication=rss

Wow, we live in a country that don't just let people who break laws (other than capital punishment) die. This country is so unfair...

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 05:45 PM

Wow, we live in a country that don't just let people who break laws (other than capital punishment) die. This country is so unfair...

Its unfair that those dialysis treatments could have gone to Americans

Serpico1103

11-12-2009, 05:47 PM

You are totally discounting the economic benefits illegal immigrants bring to this country. You are basically given a poor working class that the government didn't have to pay to educate. Most don't pay income taxes, but they make such little money that its not a big deal and they do pay sales tax. I have never ever seen a convincing study that illegals either are a significant cost or benefit to our country economically.
Also, when you mention anchor babies those are LEGAL citizens. So, are we talking about LEGAL citizens or illegals?
And please, stop acting like illegal immigrants commit a disproportionate amount of crime compared to others in their economic class unless you could back it up with more than "well, I know someone that says..." Those types of arguments convince no one and are a waste of time. You may as well try to convince us that Desperate Housewives is based on a true story.

You conveniently left out the danger of leprosy and a violent overthrow by Mexican sleeper cells.
Typical left wing unpatriotic sentiment.
Lets focus on the facts.
Mexicans are kidnapping our babies, committing mass murders, and contaminating our food supply. We must push aside the other issues; economic depression, growing disparity between the rich and poor, inability to resolve our military conflicts. Focus on people coming to this country and trying to earn a living.
THEY ARE THE TRUE ENEMY.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 05:48 PM

You are totally discounting the economic benefits illegal immigrants bring to this country. You are basically given a poor working class that the government didn't have to pay to educate. Most don't pay income taxes, but they make such little money that its not a big deal and they do pay sales tax. I have never ever seen a convincing study that illegals either are a significant cost or benefit to our country economically.

Also, when you mention anchor babies those are LEGAL citizens. So, are we talking about LEGAL citizens or illegals?

And please, stop acting like illegal immigrants commit a disproportionate amount of crime compared to others in their economic class unless you could back it up with more than "well, I know someone that says..." Those types of arguments convince no one and are a waste of time. You may as well try to convince us that Desperate Housewives is based on a true story.

I pay taxes on many levels Big deal they pay sales taxes. Maybe you live in an area not overrun by them

foodcourtdruide

11-12-2009, 05:50 PM

Its unfair that those dialysis treatments could have gone to Americans

That seems like a dreamed up scenario. Where is the American citizen who died because of lack of treatment so this person could live? There are soooooo many things wrong with the system and you are concentrating on the part that won't fix it.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 05:51 PM

You conveniently left out the danger of leprosy and a violent overthrow by Mexican sleeper cells.
Typical left wing unpatriotic sentiment.
Lets focus on the facts.
Mexicans are kidnapping our babies, committing mass murders, and contaminating our food supply. We must push aside the other issues; economic depression, growing disparity between the rich and poor, inability to resolve our military conflicts. Focus on people coming to this country and trying to earn a living.
THEY ARE THE TRUE ENEMY.

The enemy is big business, the special interests and politicians

foodcourtdruide

11-12-2009, 05:52 PM

I pay taxes on many levels Big deal they pay sales taxes. Maybe you live in an area not overrun by them

Yeah nyc is all wasps.

Serpico1103

11-12-2009, 05:57 PM

Yeah nyc is all wasps.

Isn't it great. Rube and immigrant free.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 05:59 PM

Isn't it great. Rube and immigrant free.

Especially the Upper West Side

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 06:02 PM

Dobbs driven off by illegals. See they are doing jobs Americans wont do

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 06:03 PM

That seems like a dreamed up scenario. Where is the American citizen who died because of lack of treatment so this person could live? There are soooooo many things wrong with the system and you are concentrating on the part that won't fix it.

Why doesnt their own fucking country take care of them? Maybe to cover the costs of babysitting them it comes off the tab for foreign aid

Dude!

11-12-2009, 06:09 PM

Dobbs driven off by illegals. See they are doing jobs Americans wont do

i heard CNN's going to give
Dobb's show to an illegal

no more Lou Dobbs Tonight
it's now Jose Gonzales Tonight

Ay, caramba

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 06:12 PM

i heard CNN's going to give
Dobb's show to an illegal

no more Lou Dobbs Tonight
it's now Jose Gonzales Tonight

Ay, caramba

Hes going to spew his hatred for Taxpaying Americans who are subsidizing his entire family

He will be Olbermanns " peor persona del mundo"

Serpico1103

11-12-2009, 06:12 PM

Dobbs driven off by illegals. See they are doing jobs Americans wont do

Do you honestly believe that?

Let me throw out an idea- CNN got rid of him because they have an idea of how to be more profitable. That plan does not involve Dobbs.

Or. Illegals lit torches and stormed CNN demanding the monster (Dobbs) be killed.

foodcourtdruide

11-12-2009, 06:17 PM

Why doesnt their own fucking country take care of them? Maybe to cover the costs of babysitting them it comes off the tab for foreign aid

I don't know what the second part means again. Anyway, I don't know why Mexico isn't a better place to live, but why does that matter at all?

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 06:21 PM

I don't know what the second part means again. Anyway, I don't know why Mexico isn't a better place to live, but why does that matter at all?

It matters because we are paying for people who dont belong here. Thats why I call it babysitting because thats what we are doing. Mexico allows their peasants to come to this country while enforcing their own laws.

The amount of money pissed away for dialysis can be deducted from any foreign aid we give to them

Serpico1103

11-12-2009, 06:22 PM

Why doesnt their own fucking country take care of them? Maybe to cover the costs of babysitting them it comes off the tab for foreign aid

What are they taking from you that you earned?
You were lucky enough to be born here.
Relax and appreciate that gift.
Or, prove that you are so special and start from scratch somewhere else.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 06:24 PM

What are they taking from you that you earned?
You were lucky enough to be born here.
Relax and appreciate that gift.
Or, prove that you are so special and start from scratch somewhere else.

They are leeching off my earned income. Since you love them so much maybe you should take in a family of illegals if youre so special

Id rather have my taxes going to Veterans as they are the ones who truly deserve it not some illiterate peasant who just happened to not get caught crossing the border

Serpico1103

11-12-2009, 06:27 PM

They are leeching off my earned income. Since you love them so much maybe you should take in a family of illegals if youre so special

Did you earn the opportunity to make your money? Or where you given a great advantage over most of the people in the world?

I don't have a special love for any group. Nor do I have any special fear or hate for any group either.
While I find nations necessary for governance, I do not embrace some child-like nationalism, as if I was a teenager thinking my town is better than the next town over.

foodcourtdruide

11-12-2009, 06:28 PM

It matters because we are paying for people who dont belong here. Thats why I call it babysitting because thats what we are doing. Mexico allows their peasants to come to this country while enforcing their own laws.

The amount of money pissed away for dialysis can be deducted from any foreign aid we give to them

Again, the idea that illegal immigrants are a negative to our economy is 100% unproven. It seems logically that they are a wash. In the end, Mexico is a poor country and because of its proximity to a wealthy country (us) the influx of illegals is inevitable. We could either cry about this, spend more money to remove them than it costs to keep them or act rationally and move towards making them productive members of our society, while maintaining a sensible amount of border security. Should we tolerate people who break the law? Of course not. But we also shouldn't throw everyone whose gone 66 MPH on the highway in prison for 30 years.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 06:30 PM

Did you earn the opportunity to make your money? Or where you given a great advantage over most of the people in the world?

I don't have a special love for any group. Nor do I have any special fear or hate for any group either.
While I find nations necessary for governance, I do not embrace some child-like nationalism, as if I was a teenager thinking my town is better than the next town over.

I wasn't given the opportunity. I earned it by serving in the military , serving 4 years and working 30 hours a week during college. Nothing was given to me. Everything I have is earned

Some child like mentality? Enforcing the fucking law is childish to you?

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 06:32 PM

Again, the idea that illegal immigrants are a negative to our economy is 100% unproven. It seems logically that they are a wash. In the end, Mexico is a poor country and because of its proximity to a wealthy country (us) the influx of illegals is inevitable. We could either cry about this, spend more money to remove them than it costs to keep them or act rationally and move towards making them productive members of our society, while maintaining a sensible amount of border security. Should we tolerate people who break the law? Of course not. But we also shouldn't throw everyone whose gone 66 MPH on the highway in prison for 30 years.

Youre comparing a traffic ticket to illegal immigration? I can not believe you even said that

Mexico isnt a poor country, It has a corrput government. They need to clean their own house instead of ruining ours

foodcourtdruide

11-12-2009, 06:32 PM

They are leeching off my earned income. Since you love them so much maybe you should take in a family of illegals if youre so special

Id rather have my taxes going to Veterans as they are the ones who truly deserve it not some illiterate peasant who just happened to not get caught crossing the border

Posts like this make you seem bitter and ignorant. I feel really sorry for you. You have a lot of anger towards people who mostly live difficult impoverished lives.

foodcourtdruide

11-12-2009, 06:34 PM

Youre comparing a traffic ticket to illegal immigration? I can not believe you even said that

Mexico isnt a poor country, It has a corrput government. They need to clean their own house instead of ruining ours

What is more detrimental to this country: Speeding or illegal immigrats? (Btw, sorry if I have many spelling errors I'm on my blackberry)

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 06:35 PM

Posts like this make you seem bitter and ignorant. I feel really sorry for you. You have a lot of anger towards people who mostly live difficult impoverished lives.

How is that being bitter or ignorant when Im witnessing how illegal aliens are ruining once nice towns in Suburban Westchester county for example. Please stop being so naive.

I will say that there should be exceptions to the rule. I know that there are people here illegally serving in the military and many have depoloyed to Iraq/Afghanistan. They deserve a path to citizenship

foodcourtdruide

11-12-2009, 06:36 PM

Youre comparing a traffic ticket to illegal immigration? I can not believe you even said that

Mexico isnt a poor country, It has a corrput government. They need to clean their own house instead of ruining ours

We cannot control what Mexico does. So who cares? We can't make our decisions based on their corruptions.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 06:36 PM

What is more detrimental to this country: Speeding or illegal immigrats? (Btw, sorry if I have many spelling errors I'm on my blackberry)

Speeding illegal aliens who might be on speed

BTW I phones are better Im so glad I tossed my blackberry

Serpico1103

11-12-2009, 06:37 PM

I wasn't given the opportunity. I earned it by serving in the military , serving 4 years and working 30 hours a week during college. Nothing was given to me. Everything I have is earned

Some child like mentality? Enforcing the fucking law is childish to you?

Child like is you thinking you earned everything and had nothing given to you.
Yes, little boy, you were born in the woods amongst wolves, yet you struggled against all odds and raised to the pinnacle of your society.

OR!!!!!!!!!

You were given the gift of being born in a society were even the lowest of the low live fairly well. You had the opportunity to join the military. Many people live in places that do not have a job that almost anyone can get, yet allows a comfortable lifestyle.
Than you attended a college that was if not directly, than indirectly supported by taxes, that others paid. Again, you did not earn your entire way.
But, keep preaching your rags to riches story.
It is really a more middle class to middle class story. Sorry, I know that isn't as romanticized as your version.

foodcourtdruide

11-12-2009, 06:37 PM

How is that being bitter or ignorant when Im witnessing how illegal aliens are ruining once nice towns in Suburban Westchester county for example. Please stop being so naive.

I will say that there should be exceptions to the rule. I know that there are people here illegally serving in the military and many have depoloyed to Iraq/Afghanistan. They deserve a path to citizenship

I 100% agree with you that when many illegal immigrants appear in a neighborhood it really hurts a community. I have said that before on this board. I am not naïve sir.

foodcourtdruide

11-12-2009, 06:40 PM

Speeding illegal aliens who might be on speed

BTW I phones are better Im so glad I tossed my blackberry

I know, but I really hate touch screens and I love verizon. I miss my flip phone, I found texting easier.

epo

11-12-2009, 06:41 PM

i heard CNN's going to give
Dobb's show to an illegal

no more Lou Dobbs Tonight
it's now Jose Gonzales Tonight

Ay, caramba

That would make me insanely happy.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 06:42 PM

Child like is you thinking you earned everything and had nothing given to you.
Yes, little boy, you were born in the woods amongst wolves, yet you struggled against all odds and raised to the pinnacle of your society.

OR!!!!!!!!!

You were given the gift of being born in a society were even the lowest of the low live fairly well. You had the opportunity to join the military. Many people live in places that do not have a job that almost anyone can get, yet allows a comfortable lifestyle.
Than you attended a college that was if not directly, than indirectly supported by taxes, that others paid. Again, you did not earn your entire way.
But, keep preaching your rags to riches story.
It is really a more middle class to middle class story. Sorry, I know that isn't as romanticized as your version.

Who the fuck said life was fair?

Everything I have is earned. You think the GI Bill is just some freebie? You are so ignorant. and look really stupid now. According to you im am Rich As far as preaching, Im not religious

your little immature like childish remarks might stoke your little ego but do nothing to me. It proves when someone who has a different opinion than you, like an insecure person you resort to throwing yourself on the floor like a 5 year old

I am willing to debating you but your pathetic remarks mean nothing to me

foodcourtdruide

11-12-2009, 06:42 PM

I 100% agree with you that when many illegal immigrants appear in a neighborhood it really hurts a community. I have said that before on this board. I am not naïve sir.

Well, in retrospect I've definitely been naïve before, lol

Serpico1103

11-12-2009, 06:46 PM

your little immature like childish remarks might stoke your little ego but do nothing to me. It proves when someone who has a different opinion than you, like an insecure person you resort to throwing yourself on the floor like a 5 year old

I am willing to debating you but your pathetic remarks mean nothing to me

STOMP STOMP STOMP!!!!!!!!!
Please review your posts and point out the intelligent well thought out ones.
I see a collection of hysterical rants.

I just think you are mistaken about how much you were given and how much you have earned.
Did you have to worry about corrupt police? Unsanitary water? Lack of public schools? Lack of employment?
No. You were given freedom from those worries. Yet, you think you earned what you were given.
Ungrateful.
You relied on the charity of people and this nation. Sorry if you think you clawed and fought for everything you have.
Did you ever leave in fear of starvation? No? Oh thats right. The government prevents that from happening. You didn't earn that.
Please. I know reverse snobbery is so comforting, but accept that you were given many things.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 06:49 PM

STOMP STOMP STOMP!!!!!!!!!
Please review your posts and point out the intelligent well thought out ones.
I see a collection of hysterical rants.

I just think you are mistaken about how much you were given and how much you have earned.
Did you have to worry about corrupt police? Unsanitary water? Lack of public schools? Lack of employment?
No. You were given freedom from those worries. Yet, you think you earned what you were given.
Ungrateful.

Am I taking money from productive people? I know everything I have is earned. Go back and read what I said. They should fix their own problems. You think Blacks immigrated to Canada illegally? They struggled and they have their equality because of that

I want the corner office one day and a very hot secretary. So does that give me the right to go to a fortune 500 company and demand one? The BofA down the street from me has tons of cash and gold bars. Is it my right to go and take it?

You seem to have this mentality that everything is given and nothing is earned and that is a very childish way of thinking

Serpico1103

11-12-2009, 06:54 PM

Am I taking money from productive people? I know everything I have is earned. Go back and read what I said. They should fix their own problems. You think Blacks immigrated to Canada illegally? They struggled and they have their equality because of that

Who raised you? No one or where did you live under the charity of someone?

Do you think if not for the struggles of many generations before you, you would have enjoyed those military benefits you "earned?" Do you think you would be paid what you are today if others did not die fighting for labor rights?

I am not saying you are lazy. I am not saying you didn't work hard.
I am saying you were given a great opportunity.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 06:57 PM

From an Email I received

MINORITIES. I SUPPORT THEM

We need to show more sympathy for these people.

* They travel miles in the heat.

* They risk their lives crossing a border.

* They don't get paid enough wages.

* They do jobs that others won't do or are afraid to do.

* They live in crowded conditions among people who speak a different language.

* They rarely see their families, and they face adversity all day ~ everyday.

I'm not talking about illegal Aliens~ I'm talking about our troops! Doesn't it seem strange that many Democrats and Republicans are willing to lavish all kinds of social benefits on illegals

foodcourtdruide

11-12-2009, 07:01 PM

underdog

11-12-2009, 07:03 PM

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 07:04 PM

Who raised you? No one or where did you live under the charity of someone?

Do you think if not for the struggles of many generations before you, you would have enjoyed those military benefits you "earned?" Do you think you would be paid what you are today if others did not die fighting for labor rights?

I am not saying you are lazy. I am not saying you didn't work hard.
I am saying you were given a great opportunity.

My parents raised me. I understand that labor rights were needed to prevent child labor and providing basic benefits however Im in finance and thats not a protected Job as its non union. I go back to work tomorrow and contrary to whats on the news, not all of us receive 6 figure bonuses. Thats reserved for upper management like Senior VP levels and up. The people on the trading floor and in sales also get nice bonuses In fact I dont get overtime. I have no idea what my bonus is going to be this year. Actually I was making more before I got promoted because of overtime. Its not all 9-5 either There are many days I work from 7am to at least 6

Im not doubting that I live in a great country. However we can not continue to allow a free for all in regards to immigration

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 07:05 PM

You receive shitty emails.

I never got one of those Nigerian lottery ones yet

Serpico1103

11-12-2009, 07:05 PM

We need to show more sympathy for these people.

* They travel miles in the heat.

* They risk their lives crossing a border.

* They don't get paid enough wages.

* They do jobs that others won't do or are afraid to do.

* They live in crowded conditions among people who speak a different language.

* They rarely see their families, and they face adversity all day ~ everyday.

I'm not talking about illegal Aliens~ I'm talking about our troops! Doesn't it seem strange that many Democrats and Republicans are willing to lavish all kinds of social benefits on illegals

I missed the part where they were shanghaied. You want sympathy for someone who chose an occupation, but you refuse to have any for a person born into unfortunate circumstances. Sorry, I can't reconcile them. Oh, that's right. Us v. Them.
They don't get paid enough? So, I guess you are giving them every one of your hard earned cents.

I am not for treating illegal aliens like long lost children. But, I am not for scapegoating them either.
And, I am completely pro-troops. I think the wars were a disastrous idea from the start. The lack of care the troops receive after serving makes it amazing that people keep signing up.
But, I guess that is why they allow 18 year olds to join. By 21 you realize what a shit deal they are giving you.
We should make the military and the police esteemed professions. Raise their salaries to attract the best of the best.

The rights the labor unions won benefit everyone union and non-union. Non-union employers can't treat you so poorly or you will unionize or move to a union job. Unions are not perfect, but our glorious free market was not working and needed a fix.

underdog

11-12-2009, 07:05 PM

I never got one of those Nigerian lottery ones yet

You write shitty sentences.

Fatwreck86

11-12-2009, 07:07 PM

I'm pretty sure Lou got the shit kicked out of him by a bunch of Mexicans when he was a wee boy.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 07:07 PM

You write shitty sentences.

You have shitty responses tonight

underdog

11-12-2009, 07:08 PM

You have shitty responses tonight

Tonight?

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 07:10 PM

I missed the part where they were shanghaied. You want sympathy for someone who chose an occupation, but you refuse to have any for a person born into unfortunate circumstances. Sorry, I can't reconcile them. Oh, that's right. Us v. Them.
They don't get paid enough? So, I guess you are giving them every one of your hard earned cents.

I am not for treating illegal aliens like long lost children. But, I am not for scapegoating them either.
And, I am completely pro-troops. I think the wars were a disastrous idea from the start. The lack of care the troops receive after serving makes it amazing that people keep signing up.
But, I guess that is why they allow 18 year olds to join. By 21 you realize what a shit deal they are giving you.
We should make the military and the police esteemed professions. Raise their salaries to attract the best of the best.

The rights the labor unions won benefit everyone union and non-union. Non-union employers can't treat you so poorly or you will unionize or move to a union job. Unions are not perfect, but our glorious free market was not working and needed a fix.

That pesky constitution says that Congress shall raise an army and naval forces. Im paraphrasing the text.

I dont have a problem with labor unions per se. Its he leadership, the union bosses. Does Ron Getelfinger really know how to work an assembly line or is he a great wheeler dealer?

Serpico1103

11-12-2009, 07:17 PM

That pesky constitution says that Congress shall raise an army and naval forces. Im paraphrasing the text.

I dont have a problem with labor unions per se. Its he leadership, the union bosses. Does Ron Getelfinger really know how to work an assembly line or is he a great wheeler dealer?

Did Steve Jobs engineer the Iphone or is he a great deal maker?

Of course labor unions are flawed. So, is capitalism, so is democracy, so are people.

The government can institute a draft. But, I do not think any one actively serving was ever drafted. Everyone serving does so voluntarily.
No one born in Mexico did so voluntarily.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 07:26 PM

Did Steve Jobs engineer the Iphone or is he a great deal maker?

Of course labor unions are flawed. So, is capitalism, so is democracy, so are people.

The government can institute a draft. But, I do not think any one actively serving was ever drafted. Everyone serving does so voluntarily.
No one born in Mexico did so voluntarily.

Agreed all systems are imperfect there is no arguement there. Jobs is a great deal maker, But Gates wrote programs

Mexicans should improve their country, its loaded with natural resources and mines. Is it really fair for legal immigrants that illegals jumped the line and the legal ones actually went thru a process?

Maybe our immigration process should be streamlined. That would be a great idea

Penelope

11-12-2009, 07:27 PM

The Lou Dobbs show is the most boring show on CNN.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 07:29 PM

The Lou Dobbs show is the most boring show on CNN.

Blitzer has the boring market cornered.

PapaBear

11-12-2009, 07:34 PM

The Lou Dobbs show is the most boring show on CNN.
I've never seen it, but Don Lemmon is the most unbelievably AGGRAVATING person on CNN. I think he may actually be retarded.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 07:35 PM

I've never seen it, but Don Lemmon is the most unbelievably AGGRAVATING person on CNN. I think he may actually be retarded.

This is my favorite on CNN

http://www.reportercaps.com/Home_CNN/bnuygen/betty_nguyen_119.jpg

Penelope

11-12-2009, 07:37 PM

I've never seen it, but Don Lemmon is the most unbelievably AGGRAVATING person on CNN. I think he may actually be retarded.

I forgot about him. There's just something about that guy, makes you want to slap him.

Dude!

11-12-2009, 07:52 PM

I forgot about him. There's just something about that guy, makes you want to slap him.

i want to smack Rick Sanchez
smarmy and awful

WRESTLINGFAN

11-12-2009, 08:00 PM

i want to smack Rick Sanchez
smarmy and awful

Im sure he was doing cartwheels when Dobbs resigned

Dude!

11-12-2009, 08:13 PM

Im sure he was doing cartwheels when Dobbs resigned

you got that right!
damn green cards

WRESTLINGFAN

11-13-2009, 10:50 AM

Next on Barrys Agenda. Looks like Wilsons you lie remark wasnt false after all. If Healthcare is passed It takes effect 2011. Guess what, now there are 20 million new citizens

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/14/us/politics/14immig.html?_r=2&hp

"Under the administration’s plan, illegal immigrants would have to register, pay fines and all taxes they owe, pass a criminal background check and learn English".

How are they going to pay fines if they are poor or downtrodden?, Criminal background check? HA!!!! That just seaps of red tape plus its unconstitutional to force them to learn English

high fly

11-13-2009, 07:48 PM

Next on Barrys Agenda. Looks like Wilsons you lie remark wasnt false after all.

It was false.
Obama was describing what he was going to propose.
Wilson said Obama lied about what was in Obama's proposal, even though Wilson had never seen it.
That's what Wilson was talking about....

TheMojoPin

11-13-2009, 08:58 PM

"Under the administration’s plan, illegal immigrants would have to register, pay fines and all taxes they owe, pass a criminal background check and learn English".

How are they going to pay fines if they are poor or downtrodden?, Criminal background check? HA!!!! That just seaps of red tape plus its unconstitutional to force them to learn English

So you don't want them to register, pay fines and taxes or receive criminal background checks?

I have no idea why you think this is all but impossible yet you think kicking out the illegals and then sealing off the borders is feasable.

high fly

11-13-2009, 09:19 PM

So you don't want them to register, pay fines and taxes or receive criminal background checks?

I have no idea why you think this is all but impossible yet you think kicking out the illegals and then sealing off the borders is feasable.

Has he proposed a dome over the whole nation .................................................. yet?

WRESTLINGFAN

11-14-2009, 05:58 AM

Has he proposed a dome over the whole nation .................................................. yet?

With old school astroturf, none of that field turf garbage

TheMojoPin

11-14-2009, 07:15 AM

With old school astroturf, none of that field turf garbage

I'm tired of your anti-knee agenda.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-14-2009, 08:33 AM

I'm tired of your anti-knee agenda.

Im just pro ball wild hop

TheMojoPin

11-14-2009, 08:40 AM

Im just pro ball wild hop

You want to destroy us just like it destroyed Andre Dawson and Ken Griffey, jr.!

WRESTLINGFAN

11-14-2009, 08:43 AM

You want to destroy us just like it destroyed Andre Dawson and Ken Griffey, jr.!

The Hawk belongs in Cooperstown

TheMojoPin

11-14-2009, 08:44 AM

True.

foodcourtdruide

11-14-2009, 09:10 AM

Is Andre Dawson Cubs fans Don Mattingly?

mikeyboy

11-14-2009, 09:12 AM

The man-dance between TMP and WF is nauseating.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-14-2009, 09:16 AM

Doubt it. Cubs fans didnt have to deal with the Mattingly curse

TheMojoPin

11-14-2009, 09:18 AM

Doubt it. Cubs fans didnt have to deal with the Mattingly curse

Yeah. Our team just sucks.

IMSlacker

11-14-2009, 11:51 AM

Is Andre Dawson Cubs fans Don Mattingly?

That would be Ron Santo. You think it's bad now, just wait until Mattingly's legs fall off.

Suspect Chin

11-23-2009, 10:27 AM

Lou Dobbs 2012 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/11/23/2009-11-23_excnn_anchor_lou_dobbs_is_considering_running_f or_president_in_2012.html)

epo

11-23-2009, 10:36 AM

Lou Dobbs 2012 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/11/23/2009-11-23_excnn_anchor_lou_dobbs_is_considering_running_f or_president_in_2012.html)

I'd love to see a Dobbs/Palin third party ticket.

Dude!

11-23-2009, 10:52 AM

I'd love to see a Dobbs/Palin third party ticket.

keep dreaming

the republicans should do
Petraeus-Rice
or better yet
Petreaus - any Hispanic woman

they would mop the floor
with our ineffective president
(who's getting so skinny
he's starting to look like a mop)

epo

11-23-2009, 10:58 AM

keep dreaming

the republicans should do
Petraeus-Rice
or better yet
Petreaus - any Hispanic woman

they would mop the floor
with our ineffective president
(who's getting so skinny
he's starting to look like a mop)

I would love that as well. An entire ticket of people without elected office experience.

foodcourtdruide

11-23-2009, 11:31 AM

I would love that as well. An entire ticket of people without elected office experience.

If this happens the right-wing talking heads/lunatics will only talk about how little elected experience Biden/Obama have.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-23-2009, 12:02 PM

I would love that as well. An entire ticket of people without elected office experience.

Obama never held an Executive position prior to becoming President. Anythings possible

badmonkey

11-23-2009, 12:15 PM

keep dreaming

the republicans should do
Petraeus-Rice
or better yet
Petreaus - any Hispanic woman

they would mop the floor
with our ineffective president
(who's getting so skinny
he's starting to look like a mop)

Maybe we will finally get a decision on Afghanistan.

EliSnow

11-23-2009, 12:22 PM

Obama never held an Executive position prior to becoming President. Anythings possible

Neither did Lincoln, JFK and Lyndon Johnson, and others throughout the years. I'm not saying Obama is their equivalent, just making the point.

But regardless, epo's comment was "elected office experience," not "executive office experience."

SonOfSmeagol

11-23-2009, 05:28 PM

Neither did Lincoln, JFK and Lyndon Johnson, and others throughout the years. I'm not saying Obama is their equivalent, just making the point.

Yikes. 2 didn't complete their terms, and 1 declined to run for reelection.

Dude!

11-23-2009, 06:02 PM

Yikes. 2 didn't complete their terms, and 1 declined to run for reelection.

oh jesus, here we go

lincoln had a secretary
named kennedy

kennedy had a secretary
name lincoln

SonOfSmeagol

11-23-2009, 06:09 PM

oh jesus, here we go

lincoln had a secretary
named kennedy

kennedy had a secretary
name lincoln

A month before Lincoln died he was in Monroe, Maryland.
A month before Kennedy died he was in Marilyn Monroe.

EliSnow

11-24-2009, 03:17 AM

Yikes. 2 didn't complete their terms, and 1 declined to run for reelection.

Considering the two were assasinated, I think your point is diminished.

A.J.

11-25-2009, 06:09 AM

Sen. Lob Dobbs (R-NJ)?

Lou Dobbs weighs Senate run in New Jersey. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091125/ap_on_el_se/us_lou_dobbs_senate)

IMSlacker

11-25-2009, 12:18 PM

WRESTLINGFAN isn't going to like this one bit. (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125910998942663259.html?mod=rss_com_mostcommenta rt)

Mr. Dobbs is working to repair what a spokesman conceded is a glaring flaw: His reputation for antipathy toward Latino immigrants. In a little-noticed interview Friday, Mr. Dobbs told Spanish-language network Telemundo he now supports a plan to legalize millions of undocumented workers, a stance he long lambasted as an unfair "amnesty."

"Whatever you have thought of me in the past, I can tell you right now that I am one of your greatest friends and I mean for us to work together," he said in a live interview with Telemundo's Maria Celeste. "I hope that will begin with Maria and me and Telemundo and other media organizations and others in this national debate that we should turn into a solution rather than a continuing debate and factional contest."

Mr. Dobbs twice mentioned a possible legalization plan for the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in the U.S., saying at one point that "we need the ability to legalize illegal immigrants under certain conditions."