Al-Qaida terrorist on Detroit flight attempts to blow up plane

[epo]

Well, at least anything so visibly substantial. Sometimes these meetings accomplish minor goals that pay off later.

If a President is able to provide some type of personal credibility with other leaders in a personal meeting, that can pay off at some later date when we need something from the other leader.

Exactly. State visits promote relationship building, which leads to larger outputs.

Not every trip needs an immediate prize to be successful.

[A.J.]

Well, at least anything so visibly substantial. Sometimes these meetings accomplish minor goals that pay off later.

If a President is able to provide some type of personal credibility with other leaders in a personal meeting, that can pay off at some later date when we need something from the other leader.

Exactly. State visits promote relationship building, which leads to larger outputs.

Not every trip needs an immediate prize to be successful.

This visit between King 'Abd Al-'Aziz Al-Sa'ud and FDR in 1945 cemented the relationship that was begun 10 years earlier when Standard Oil discovered oil in the Kingdom. This was truly the beginning of U.S.-Saudi relations. I was living in Riyadh when the 60th anniversary of this visit was celebrated. It is ALWAYS referred to in U.S.-Saudi discussions -- much like King 'Abdullah's visit to Crawford, TX in 2005 is still referenced.

http://cojs.org/cojswiki/images/6/61/Ibn_Saud_and_FDR.jpg

[hanso]

Claiming everyone is for us or against us. Then staying on a ranch. Is the best foreign policy of all.

[Dude!]

Claiming everyone is for us or against us. Then staying on a ranch. Is the best foreign policy of all.

claiming everyone is for us
then staying on a beach in hawaii
is the best foreign policy of all

[EliSnow]

claiming everyone is for us
then staying on a beach in hawaii
is the best foreign policy of all

Except that his policy is not that everyone is for us.

He recognizes that we have enemies that we have to fight, but that there have been groups in between the black and white groups Bush laid out.

[TripleSkeet]

Well, I think the problem is that we failed at stopping a potential act of terror, that you and I cannot bring a bottle of water on the plane, yet this man brought explosives on with him. We can't have a lighter, he got explosives on the plane. You've side stepped the whole issue to rant about American's and your own superiority.

This isn't about trying to stop someone from committing suicide and hurting those around them, its about the airline industry doing what they claim to be doing - searching passengers. If you're going to search me, and you're going to pat me down, and make me toss my SEALED bottle of water, and run my name through a lost of potential terrorists - then be sure to get the guy who is bringing explosives on the plane.

A parade is a poor comparison. You know that. You're just too angry all the time to stop and think before posting. Yes, that is personal but read over your post. You read like a maniac.

We have forgotten. We'd rather not wait 'forever' to board a plane. We regard increased security as a hassle. Our security officers are bored want to go home. We are rude to them for bothering to attempt enforcing safety regulations. They have forgotten because we have forgotten.

Im angry because these people that cry they want guaranteed safety doesnt understand that there is no such thing. And all their constant whining does is make it harder and harder for people like me to be comfortable on our flights.

I dont want to have to be at the airport 3-4 hours before a flight so they can pat down every single person. I dont want to have to put my book or laptop away an hour before my flight ends. We pay alot of money to fly, we should be allowed be fly in fucking comfort. Is that asking too much???

I havent forgotten anything. I know everytime I leave the house I can be killed. I JUST DONT CARE. Im not going to live my life in fear. Im not going to stay away from sporting events or concerts because they could be potential terrorist targets. Im not going to fly less because Im afraid of a plane blowing up.

These people need to stop crying that they want to feel safe. This guy was a fucking nut that got powder and matches on a plane. These are things you cannot catch with a pat down. You would have to strip search every single passenger. Is that what you want so you can feel safe?

Just accept the fact that we live in a dangerous world. We do what we can to prevent those dangers but the reality is, we arent gonna catch everything. Get over it.

[hanso]

claiming everyone is for us
then staying on a beach in hawaii
is the best foreign policy of all

He has also made more vists in under a year.
Then Bush did in many years.


But what does all this have to do with the snail cock pic that Opie just posted on twitter?

[A.J.]

Im angry because these people that cry they want guaranteed safety doesnt understand that there is no such thing. And all their constant whining does is make it harder and harder for people like me to be comfortable on our flights.

I dont want to have to be at the airport 3-4 hours before a flight so they can pat down every single person. I dont want to have to put my book or laptop away an hour before my flight ends. We pay alot of money to fly, we should be allowed be fly in fucking comfort. Is that asking too much???

I havent forgotten anything. I know everytime I leave the house I can be killed. I JUST DONT CARE. Im not going to live my life in fear. Im not going to stay away from sporting events or concerts because they could be potential terrorist targets. Im not going to fly less because Im afraid of a plane blowing up.

These people need to stop crying that they want to feel safe. This guy was a fucking nut that got powder and matches on a plane. These are things you cannot catch with a pat down. You would have to strip search every single passenger. Is that what you want so you can feel safe?

Just accept the fact that we live in a dangerous world. We do what we can to prevent those dangers but the reality is, we arent gonna catch everything. Get over it.

This.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama is definitely not a socialist, in 2013 god willing he will go back into the private sector, maybe go on a few corporate boards, write another book and rake in tons of cash. He wants to live the life of luxury while lecturing everyone to take mass transit, live in apartment buildings etc. He will say don't go to a company that pays a high salary only he and a select few can be wealthy. The man is a puppet for the AFT and NEA but his kids wont go to the miserable DC public schools A socialist no, but a hypocrite yes.

[angrymissy]

How exactly do you propose the children of a President go to public DC schools? It would be a security nightmare.

[A.J.]

How exactly do you propose the children of a President go to public DC schools? It would be a security nightmare.

Actually, all the Secret Service agents and DC cops would be a godsend to the violent DC public schools.

[Furtherman]

Show me ANY family who have done well for themselves that would choose to send their kids to a lesser quality school than they could afford.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Show me ANY family who have done well for themselves that would choose to send their kids to a lesser quality school than they could afford.

Obama is supposed to be a man of the people especially the teachers unions, they bankrolled a lot of his campaign.

[EliSnow]

Obama is supposed to be a man of the people especially the teachers unions, they bankrolled a lot of his campaign.

Sending your kids to private school does not help or hurt the teachers' unions. Public schools get their money from taxes in the school district, not directly from the parents who send their kids to public schools.

What helps them are actions in office that support their goals and agenda.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Sending your kids to private school does not help or hurt the teachers' unions. Public schools get their money from taxes in the school district, not directly from the parents who send their kids to public schools.

What helps them are actions in office that support their goals and agenda.



Yet they want more and more every year in taxes wont be surprised if mine go up. When does it end?

[underdog]

Yet they want more and more every year in taxes wont be surprised if mine go up. When does it end?

When you die.

[Furtherman]

Obama is supposed to be a man of the people especially the teachers unions, they bankrolled a lot of his campaign.

And this has what to do with his kid's education? I don't know why it's any of our buisness.

[EliSnow]

Yet they want more and more every year in taxes wont be surprised if mine go up. When does it end?

What does that have to do with your original point about Obama's kids going to public school?

[Furtherman]

What does that have to do with your original point about Obama's kids going to public school?



Uh.... um.... HAWAII!

[SatCam]

Im angry because these people that cry they want guaranteed safety doesnt understand that there is no such thing. And all their constant whining does is make it harder and harder for people like me to be comfortable on our flights.

I dont want to have to be at the airport 3-4 hours before a flight so they can pat down every single person. I dont want to have to put my book or laptop away an hour before my flight ends. We pay alot of money to fly, we should be allowed be fly in fucking comfort. Is that asking too much???

I havent forgotten anything. I know everytime I leave the house I can be killed. I JUST DONT CARE. Im not going to live my life in fear. Im not going to stay away from sporting events or concerts because they could be potential terrorist targets. Im not going to fly less because Im afraid of a plane blowing up.

These people need to stop crying that they want to feel safe. This guy was a fucking nut that got powder and matches on a plane. These are things you cannot catch with a pat down. You would have to strip search every single passenger. Is that what you want so you can feel safe?

Just accept the fact that we live in a dangerous world. We do what we can to prevent those dangers but the reality is, we arent gonna catch everything. Get over it.

i agree 100%

[epo]

Obama is definitely not a socialist, in 2013 god willing he will go back into the private sector, maybe go on a few corporate boards, write another book and rake in tons of cash. He wants to live the life of luxury while lecturing everyone to take mass transit, live in apartment buildings etc. He will say don't go to a company that pays a high salary only he and a select few can be wealthy. The man is a puppet for the AFT and NEA but his kids wont go to the miserable DC public schools A socialist no, but a hypocrite yes.

You do realize that population trends demand that public transit and urban dwelling grow in future years?

[TripleSkeet]

You do realize that population trends demand that public transit and urban dwelling grow in future years?

Fuck public transportation. Id move before being forced to take that shit every day.

[epo]

Fuck public transportation. Id move before being forced to take that shit every day.

I don't think anyone credible has ever suggested that people be forced to take public transportation, rather than needs will dictate a proper public investment.

[underdog]

I don't think anyone credible has ever suggested that people be forced to take public transportation, rather than needs will dictate a proper public investment.

I heard that Obama is going to make everyone ride the bus right after he kills all the old people. Look it up.

[TripleSkeet]

I don't think anyone credible has ever suggested that people be forced to take public transportation, rather than needs will dictate a proper public investment.

Thats what I meant. Living in NYC you arent physically "forced" to take public transportation but costs of parking and traffic basically give the people that live and work there no other choice. I couldnt do it.

[epo]

I heard that Obama is going to make everyone ride the bus right after he kills all the old people. Look it up.

I can't wait for my appointment to a death panel.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula Releases Statement (http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/3864.htm)

They do have a way with words, even for a “failed” operation. The last part (bolded) is kinda pointed and speaks to much more than just a single attack and the outcome.

With Allah's grace, the hero mujahid martyrdom-seeker, brother Omar Al-Farooq, carried out a quality operation on an American plane that took off from the Dutch city of Amsterdam to the American city of Detroit, while they were celebrating the Christmas holiday on Friday December 25, 2009, [an operation] which broke through all modern advanced technological equipment and security barriers in world airports, with courage and determination, not fearing death, placing his trust in Allah, breaking with his great act the legend of American and international intelligence, demonstrating its frailty, rubbing their noses in the dust [in humiliation], and making all they have spent upon security technologies a waste for them.

It was posted on a jihadi forum. In an amazing coincidence, the forum has hundreds of members; some are senior members (“Mods”), some are supervisors (“Big Ass Veterans”), and there are also those who sympathize with the mujahideen (mere “DotCommandos”).

[Furtherman]

With Allah's grace, the hero mujahid martyrdom-seeker, brother Omar Al-Farooq, carried out a quality operation on an American plane that took off from the Dutch city of Amsterdam to the American city of Detroit, while they were celebrating the Christmas holiday on Friday December 25, 2009, [an operation] which broke through all modern advanced technological equipment and security barriers in Amsterdam's airport, with courage and determination, not fearing death, placing his trust in Allah, breaking with his great act the legend of Amsterdam's and international intelligence, demonstrating Amsterdam's frailty, rubbing their noses in the dust [in humiliation], and making all they have spent upon security technologies a waste for them.

Fixed for Allah.

[keithy_19]

I just listened to president Obama's comments regarding the failed attack. We knew something was going to happen but some didn't pass the name along.

I certainly hope that someone (many?) lose their job because of this.

[SatCam]

I just listened to president Obama's comments regarding the failed attack. We knew something was going to happen but some didn't pass the name along.

sounds awful suspicious to me. I have four theories:

a) A conspiracy by Barack Hussein to take control of the airline industry in order to satisfy his undying urge to turn america into a socialist nation

b) A conspiracy by the Democrat Party to distract everyone from them passing the health care bill that implements socialized medicine, death panels and mandatory vaccinations

c) A conspiracy by Faux News and the Republicant Party to demonstrate to the public that while the entire country is being terrorized by a-rabs and mooslims our president is lounging beachside in distant Hawaii

d) A plot by Tiger Woods to turn our attention way from the fact that he is a huge sex addict and no amount of pussy can ever satisfy him

[SonOfSmeagol]

With Allah's grace, the hero mujahid martyrdom-seeker, brother Omar Al-Farooq, carried out a quality operation on an American plane that took off from the Dutch city of Amsterdam to the American city of Detroit, while they were celebrating the Christmas holiday on Friday December 25, 2009, [an operation] which broke through all modern advanced technological equipment and security barriers in Amsterdam's airport, with courage and determination, not fearing death, placing his trust in Allah, breaking with his great act the legend of Amsterdam's and international intelligence, demonstrating Amsterdam's frailty, rubbing their noses in the dust [in humiliation], and making all they have spent upon security technologies a waste for them.

It’s got no ring, no “pop”. The Al Qaeda home office would pull your franchise with prose like that, or banish you to “Al Qaeda in Antarctica”.

I wish some top administration official would come out already and put the blame squarely on the Dutch. They gotta WANT to. That would be SO awesome.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Dubya got criticized for a lot of his appointments and nominations and rightly so, but Barry isnt doing so stellar himself with his picks but hey it aint Bush in the Oval office so its no big deal

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I just listened to president Obama's comments regarding the failed attack. We knew something was going to happen but some didn't pass the name along.

I certainly hope that someone (many?) lose their job because of this.

When will Napolitano go back to AZ?

[angrymissy]

It’s got no ring, no “pop”. The Al Qaeda home office would pull your franchise with prose like that, or banish you to “Al Qaeda in Antarctica”.

I wish some top administration official would come out already and put the blame squarely on the Dutch. They gotta WANT to. That would be SO awesome.

"You wanna blame someone? BLAME THE FUCKING DUTCH" *throws down mic, walks away*

[SatCam]

Dubya got criticized for a lot of his appointments and nominations and rightly so, but Barry isnt doing so stellar himself with his picks but hey it aint Bush in the Oval office so its no big deal

couldnt be more true......you'd think obama would hire a more competent security staff over at amsterdam international airport but we're finding out this guy aint all he's cracked up to be

[WRESTLINGFAN]

couldnt be more true......you'd think obama would hire a more competent security staff over at amsterdam international airport but we're finding out this guy aint all he's cracked up to be

Not talking just about Napolitano, also Geithner, Summers, Jones, Feinberg, Romans, Gibbs its a circus

The attempts by you Obama supporters to spin this is failing miserablly, your boy isnt perfect, deal with it!!!!

WHEN SOMEONE COULD BE HURT IN HIS HOME, HE RUSHES TO SEE WHAT HE CAN DO, WHEN SOMEONE COULD BE HURT IN HIS COUNTRY HE WAITS 3 DAYS AND READS A NOTE TO THE PUBLIC. THIS GUY HAS NO CLUE! !!!!!

[SatCam]

WHEN SOMEONE COULD BE HURT IN HIS HOME, HE RUSHES TO SEE WHAT HE CAN DO, WHEN SOMEONE COULD BE HURT IN HIS COUNTRY HE WAITS 3 DAYS AND READS A NOTE TO THE PUBLIC. THIS GUY HAS NO CLUE! !!!!!

again, i completely agree with you. Obama should have met the flight on the runway in detroit and taken this towelhead out himself

[Furtherman]

I'm glad he waited 3 days to find out all the facts before he addressed it and not jump the gun, like he did with that professor's arrest in MA. That shows signs of improvement.

But if you really want to use that... I dare call it an argument - how long did it take Bush to address us about Katrina efforts, when the facts were clogging up our television screens for... how many days?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm glad he waited 3 days to find out all the facts before he addressed it and not jump the gun, like he did with that professor's arrest in MA. That shows signs of improvement.

But if you really want to use that... I dare call it an argument - how long did it take Bush to address us about Katrina efforts, when the facts were clogging up our television screens for... how many days?

The Cambridge incident is a local issue, this ones a national one. Bush takes the blame but what about Nagin and Landrieu? Why do they always get free passes?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

again, i completely agree with you. Obama should have met the flight on the runway in detroit and taken this towelhead out himself

I take the Nigerian over the Kenyan

[SatCam]

I'm glad he waited 3 days to find out all the facts before he addressed it and not jump the gun, like he did with that professor's arrest in MA. That shows signs of improvement.

But if you really want to use that... I dare call it an argument - how long did it take Bush to address us about Katrina efforts, when the facts were clogging up our television screens for... how many days?

Personally, on Christmas night, I was curled up in a ball calling out obama's name "WHERE ARE YOU OBAMA WHEN I NEED YOU MOST??? IM SCARED AND ALONE!!!" Ive been a mess until earlier today when our lord and savior finally addressed us

[epo]

I take the Nigerian over the Kenyan

Why do you hate America so much?

Commie.

[Furtherman]

The Cambridge incident is a local issue, this ones a national one. Bush takes the blame but what about Nagin and Landrieu? Why do they always get free passes?

Do you see how it's a baseless argument? Local or national, it doesn't matter. You shouldn't address an incident you know nothing about.

Obama did the right thing. He found out what was going on, then addressed it. Any other way would be noncausative.

[Ritalin]

Dubya got criticized for a lot of his appointments and nominations and rightly so, but Barry isnt doing so stellar himself with his picks but hey it aint Bush in the Oval office so its no big deal

I think it's a very big deal. It isn't that the guy got through - it's a needle in a haystack - but Napolitano's reaction to it was terrible and she must go. I'm so sick of CYA and partisan politics when it comes to security.

[SonOfSmeagol]

When will Napolitano go back to AZ?

Hell with THAT. Send her to Amsterdam. One-way ticket. With PETN underwear.

[SonOfSmeagol]

"You wanna blame someone? BLAME THE FUCKING DUTCH" *throws down mic, walks away*

I like it! Have you considered White House Press Secretary as a possible career?

[foodcourtdruide]

WHEN SOMEONE COULD BE HURT IN HIS HOME, HE RUSHES TO SEE WHAT HE CAN DO, WHEN SOMEONE COULD BE HURT IN HIS COUNTRY HE WAITS 3 DAYS AND READS A NOTE TO THE PUBLIC. THIS GUY HAS NO CLUE! !!!!!

I think the authorities should have taken the attempted terrorist to some type of jungle location and had him try to get out on his own. If he's able to make it to civilization, he's free. But there's one catch, he'll be hunted by Obama.

The terrorist gets into a clearing in the woods. He thinks he's safe... but then he notices something: the whites of Obama's eyes. Obama is completely camoflauged against a tree. He's been there this whole time. Then after a lengthy knife fight Obama rips out his still beating heart with his bare hands.

THAT is what Obama would do if he loved this country or gave a shit about his job.

[opie's twisted balls]

It isn't that the guy got through - it's a needle in a haystack - but Napolitano's reaction to it was terrible and she must go.
Ya it is that the guy got through. I could give a flying fuck what some bureaucratic talking head says during a press conference or interview, its going to be bullshit regardless if she/he is on the left or right and likely not anywhere near the truth. What I do care about is there are effective security measures in place to prevent the terrorist asshole from getting on the plane in the first place. That means the technology and human intervention (i.e. profiling) that can both detect explosives or weapons as well as the vile scum who want to use them.

Radical islam is a cancer. With the proper techniques it can be found and culled. If allowed to spread unchecked it will cause infinitely more sorrow and death.

[TripleSkeet]

Ya it is that the guy got through. I could give a flying fuck what some bureaucratic talking head says during a press conference or interview, its going to be bullshit regardless if she/he is on the left or right and likely not anywhere near the truth. What I do care about is there are effective security measures in place to prevent the terrorist asshole from getting on the plane in the first place. That means the technology and human intervention (i.e. profiling) that can both detect explosives or weapons as well as the vile scum who want to use them.

Radical islam is a cancer. With the proper techniques it can be found and culled. If allowed to spread unchecked it will cause infinitely more sorrow and death.

If the explosive is powder and a pack of matches, the only way to prevent it is to strip search every person that flies on every flight. Or handcuff all of us to our seats as soon as we sit down. Will that make you feel safe then precious?

[Ritalin]

Ya it is that the guy got through. I could give a flying fuck what some bureaucratic talking head says during a press conference or interview, its going to be bullshit regardless if she/he is on the left or right and likely not anywhere near the truth. What I do care about is there are effective security measures in place to prevent the terrorist asshole from getting on the plane in the first place. That means the technology and human intervention (i.e. profiling) that can both detect explosives or weapons as well as the vile scum who want to use them.

Radical islam is a cancer. With the proper techniques it can be found and culled. If allowed to spread unchecked it will cause infinitely more sorrow and death.

please explain the proper techniques for finding and culling radical Islam.

[opie's twisted balls]

If the explosive is powder and a pack of matches, the only way to prevent it is to strip search every person that flies on every flight. Or handcuff all of us to our seats as soon as we sit down. Will that make you feel safe then precious?
No poopiekins that isn't the only way to search passengers pre-flight. There are technology alternatives (explosive detection or "puffer" machines) and full body scanners. More importantly is the human element which is being woefully ignored out of political correctness. The BEST example of how secure access (airports, trains, high target buildings, etc.) screening should be conducted is using El Al Airlines:
-before someone is allowed to board or gain access their background is known....that means where they've traveled, their occupation, reason for travel or entry
-their identity is confirmed (i.e. biometric passports or ID) and checked against known threats
-do they demonstrate any high risk profiles...i.e. have they paid for their ticket in cash, no checked baggage, inconsistent travel documents
-ALL checked luggage is matched to a passenger and ALL carry-on luggage is hand searched
-most importantly you hire people who are qualified and trained for this critical job.....minimum wage talent produces minimum wage results

please explain the proper techniques for finding and culling radical Islam.
I'm not nearly smart enough to have the answers but its clear the current model isn't working. This is a savage group for whom the existing rules of engagement don't apply and this war can't be won with historical precedence. What I am certain of is that there won't be any global social or economic stability as long as we continue to so spineless and effete.

[TripleSkeet]

No poopiekins that isn't the only way to search passengers pre-flight. There are technology alternatives (explosive detection or "puffer" machines) and full body scanners. More importantly is the human element which is being woefully ignored out of political correctness. The BEST example of how secure access (airports, trains, high target buildings, etc.) screening should be conducted is using El Al Airlines:
-before someone is allowed to board or gain access their background is known....that means where they've traveled, their occupation, reason for travel or entry
-their identity is confirmed (i.e. biometric passports or ID) and checked against known threats
-do they demonstrate any high risk profiles...i.e. have they paid for their ticket in cash, no checked baggage, inconsistent travel documents
-ALL checked luggage is matched to a passenger and ALL carry-on luggage is hand searched
-most importantly you hire people who are qualified and trained for this critical job.....minimum wage talent produces minimum wage results


I'm not nearly smart enough to have the answers but its clear the current model isn't working. This is a savage group for whom the existing rules of engagement don't apply and this war can't be won with historical precedence. What I am certain of is that there won't be any global social or economic stability as long as we continue to so spineless and effete.

I dont mind better tracking of travel history and background. And have no problem with profiling either for that matter. As far as higher qualified people I think we pretty much need to accept the fact that with the budget they have we are basically stuck with the security youve got. Its like bitching that teachers and policemen should be paid more because of the importance of their job. There is a certain amount of money available for these jobs and you basically get what you pay for. I dont see that getting better.

I wouldnt mind better equipment if it would stop these fuckheads from taking my water and toothpaste from my travel bag.

But even with all of that we still need to accept the fact that it cant 100% guarantee your safety on flights. Its something that people just have to accept.

[foodcourtdruide]

People bring up profiling, but what exactly does a muslim look like? Keep in mind, there are indications that this guy got on the plane without a passport or background check.

[opie's twisted balls]

I dont mind better tracking of travel history and background. And have no problem with profiling either for that matter. As far as higher qualified people I think we pretty much need to accept the fact that with the budget they have we are basically stuck with the security youve got. Its like bitching that teachers and policemen should be paid more because of the importance of their job. There is a certain amount of money available for these jobs and you basically get what you pay for. I dont see that getting better.

I wouldnt mind better equipment if it would stop these fuckheads from taking my water and toothpaste from my travel bag.

But even with all of that we still need to accept the fact that it cant 100% guarantee your safety on flights. Its something that people just have to accept.
There's a universal law of two third's; you can have something/anything (tangible or intangible) and still be successful in your efforts.....there's good, fast or cheap....pick two. Unfortunately with airport security we're at best doing one of those.


People bring up profiling, but what exactly does a muslim look like? Keep in mind, there are indications that this guy got on the plane without a passport or background check.
It doesn't matter what a muslim looks like since thats very much irrelevant. What should be of concern is how someone potentially dangerous acts (in particular microexpressions). And that this asshole on NWA253 managed to board without a passport and without checked baggage has nothing to do with profiling but everything to do with a shameful breakdown in existing security protocols. Numerous people shit the bed on this one.

[TripleSkeet]

People bring up profiling, but what exactly does a muslim look like? Keep in mind, there are indications that this guy got on the plane without a passport or background check.

Im not saying it would help in this instance, or all instances. Im just saying personally it doesnt bother me if they profile arabs. And Im not saying that because Im not arab. Im Italian and during a good summer in the sun I wouldnt be surprised if I was stopped for a pat down or asked to check my shoes. And it still wouldnt bother me.

[keithy_19]

If the explosive is powder and a pack of matches, the only way to prevent it is to strip search every person that flies on every flight. Or handcuff all of us to our seats as soon as we sit down. Will that make you feel safe then precious?

My problem is the fact that this guy was on a no fly list and he still got on the plane.

I don't blame Obama for this. It's just my opinion that a breakdown of this magnitude needs to be adressed and the people responsible need to be removed from their positions.

At the moment I have confidence the president will make that happen.

Also, if the guy had just stayed in the bathroom this may be a different story. A very sad story.

[foodcourtdruide]

There's a universal law of two third's; you can have something/anything (tangible or intangible) and still be successful in your efforts.....there's good, fast or cheap....pick two. Unfortunately with airport security we're at best doing one of those.



It doesn't matter what a muslim looks like since thats very much irrelevant. What should be of concern is how someone potentially dangerous acts (in particular microexpressions). And that this asshole on NWA253 managed to board without a passport and without checked baggage has nothing to do with profiling but everything to do with a shameful breakdown in existing security protocols. Numerous people shit the bed on this one.

Is that what is meant by profiling? I think the profiling people disagree with is more along the line of, "hey that guy has a turbon, pay extra attention to him". I agree with you, the failure on this has me fucking furious.

[PapaBear]

My problem is the fact that this guy was on a no fly list and he still got on the plane.
No he wasn't. He was on a watch list due to the warning from his father. He SHOULD have been on the no fly list, but too many people dropped the ball on that.

[keithy_19]

Im not saying it would help in this instance, or all instances. Im just saying personally it doesnt bother me if they profile arabs. And Im not saying that because Im not arab. Im Italian and during a good summer in the sun I wouldnt be surprised if I was stopped for a pat down or asked to check my shoes. And it still wouldnt bother me.

It would bother me. Making you expose your feet like some savage.

[keithy_19]

No he wasn't. He was on a watch list due to the warning from his father. He SHOULD have been on the no fly list, but too many people dropped the ball on that.

My apologies. You're right.

[foodcourtdruide]

Im not saying it would help in this instance, or all instances. Im just saying personally it doesnt bother me if they profile arabs. And Im not saying that because Im not arab. Im Italian and during a good summer in the sun I wouldnt be surprised if I was stopped for a pat down or asked to check my shoes. And it still wouldnt bother me.

Its not about it bothering you or not. My point is it would be pointless, since billions of people probably fit this profile. I like the stuff OTB is talking about more, and its not morally objectionable.

[PapaBear]

My apologies.
So, It's YOUR fault. I KNEW it!!!

[foodcourtdruide]

Also, the no fly list in this country is a joke. I've always read there were over a million names on it.

[opie's twisted balls]

Im Italian and during a good summer in the sun I wouldnt be surprised if I was stopped for a pat down or asked to check my shoes. And it still wouldnt bother me.
Likewise....by August every year I've got a tan that makes my dego lineage is coming through loud and clear. If I don't shave for a couple of days I look like the 20th hijacker.


I don't blame Obama for this. It's just my opinion that a breakdown of this magnitude needs to be adressed and the people responsible need to be removed from their positions.
Blaming the great beige hope for this failure would be as disingenuous as blaming Bush 2.0 for 9/11 (if anything Bush Sr. takes the hit on that one). Its stunning that there are multiple checks and balances to airport security and the human and technological ones failed on every level. Its only because this douche was incompetent or that his own technology failed that there wasn't a loss of life. Luck shouldn't be considered the last line of defense.


Is that what is meant by profiling? I think the profiling people disagree with is more along the line of, "hey that guy has a turbon, pay extra attention to him". I agree with you, the failure on this has me fucking furious.
If someone thinks profiling consists of solely of stopping anyone because they're wearing funny headgear or robes not only are they naive and not going to be remotely effective of stopping the threat they'll also have to add the pope to their list of people requiring extra scrutiny.


I like the stuff OTB is talking about more, and its not morally objectionable.
I'm not really the alarmist asshole I appear to be. :)

[A.J.]

Personally, on Christmas night, I was curled up in a ball calling out obama's name "WHERE ARE YOU OBAMA WHEN I NEED YOU MOST??? IM SCARED AND ALONE!!!" Ive been a mess until earlier today when our lord and savior finally addressed us

That one set of footprints in the snow? That was Him carrying you when you were down.

[underdog]

please explain the proper techniques for finding and culling radical Islam.

Bomb them all and let God figure it out!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Do you see how it's a baseless argument? Local or national, it doesn't matter. You shouldn't address an incident you know nothing about.

Obama did the right thing. He found out what was going on, then addressed it. Any other way would be noncausative.

Of course Barry waited 3 days, hes the Messiah :clap:

[Dude!]

Of course Barry waited 3 days, hes the Messiah :clap:

he did not wait 3 days

he sent his fool of a press secretary
and his incompetent HS secretary
napolitano out on the Sunday morning
talk shows and they both said
'the system worked'

the administration came out quickly
and with a terrifyingly wrong assessment

[Pitdoc]

...that when the ORIGINAL "shoe bomber" tried to light his sneaker, Bush was on vacation too,and it took him SIX days to comment on it,and only briefly, at a press conference. NOBODY called him on it( Not that it was his fault) . Obama waits 3 days and he's incompetent in every paper in the land? The important thing to come away from all this is that the same inter-agency non-cooperation that let 9/11 happen seems to have not changed.

[LordJezo]

I was thinking about that new 1 hour rule thing I went through on the flight.

What is it supposed to do to stop people from doing garbage 1 hour and 5 minutes before the end of the flight?

[epo]

I was thinking about that new 1 hour rule thing I went through on the flight.

What is it supposed to do to stop people from doing garbage 1 hour and 5 minutes before the end of the flight?

Be quiet. Your compliance on this and other issues is very important for our plans to work.

[Syd]

Now that we've gazed inside what is purported to be Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab's explosives-laden underwear, let's look inside his mind, by way of an archive of postings he made to the Islamic discussion website http://www.gawaher.com.

Would the prophet Muhammad have played soccer, were he alive today? Is it okay to eat meals with my parents, even though they're unclean? All this and more he asked, and we know this because Wired Danger Room dug up a slew of links.

The following post credited to "Farouk1986" is to me the most chilling of all, because it is the most human. As was the response that followed, from another guy on the forum who'd been to the same emotional place—c'mon, haven't you? And yeah, that's a slightly enlarged version of the actual messageboard emoticon Farouk adorned his post with. No, I'm not joking.

Basically, the problem I'm having is that I've been having extreme loneliness...for many years. I don't really know what to do because I'm not the type who likes to go out much, and I'm just shy and quiet. Even on the internet, I don't feel comfortable posting much because it exposes myself. Sometimes people are so mean.

So I'm trying to figure out what to do. I just wish I had someone to give me attention and stuff. I wish I had someone who would be there to listen to me, and always be nice to me. It really hurts to have someone neglect me or be mean. Unfortunately, a weakness of mine is that I'm sensitive, but I think I became more sensitive after something bad happened some years ago.

I wish I had at least one nice person to talk to, maybe over e-mail or Messenger. Of course, if I could find someone to marry, then Insha'Allah I would have someone in real life to give me all the attention and affection I wanted. So far, the families we've met aren't interested in me, though.

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2009/12/farouk1986.zip

Islam more than likely had less to do with this than him being just a lonely, marginalized little kid. So, that's funny. Lets try to profile that.

[Syd]

So one more common denominator seems to be that all terrorists, Muslims or otherwise are single/unmarried. I think we should ban all unmarried people from flying on planes. It'd strengthen the institution of marriage as well. Two birds with one stone!

VOTE SYD '12

[EliSnow]

Islam more than likely had less to do with this than him being just a lonely, marginalized little kid. So, that's funny. Lets try to profile that.

The type of people that generally are attracted to any extreme group, whether religious or not.

Marginalized people who think the "system" or something else is too blame for all of their unhappiness,have no one else, and want to believe in something greater is attracted to a movement seeking to change/overthrow the system.

[underdog]

Islam more than likely had less to do with this than him being just a lonely, marginalized little kid. So, that's funny. Lets try to profile that.

Anyone from ronfez.net will be profiled.

[Syd]

The type of people that generally are attracted to any extreme group, whether religious or not.

Marginalized people who think the "system" or something else is too blame for all of their unhappiness,have no one else, and want to believe in something greater is attracted to a movement seeking to change/overthrow the system.

There is where the problem is. The more you try to crack down on stopping terrorism, widespread violence etc the more you create it. The more America tried to crack down on gun violence, the more it became prevalent. States like South Carolina began to feel pushed, even compelled to retaliate against regulations and now basically give guns away.

Terrorism will have to be dealt with the same way the Barbary states were dealt with the last time East and West clashed -- diplomacy, direct action and a massive consensus that will require decades, even centuries all the while requiring a herculean effort.

[sailor]

Anyone from ronfez.net will be profiled.

v3

[LordJezo]

At the gym today a guy was pretty angry at the nudie scanners that are going to be deployed in more airports. Said he no longer wants to allow his young children to go on flights as their images will be used for perverted child porn by the people who get to view the images, he's expecting a leak of the footage from the machines any day now, believes none of the nonsense that the images will not be stored.

[EliSnow]

At the gym today a guy was pretty angry at the nudie scanners that are going to be deployed in more airports. Said he no longer wants to allow his young children to go on flights as their images will be used for perverted child porn by the people who get to view the images, he's expecting a leak of the footage from the machines any day now, believes none of the nonsense that the images will not be stored.

Were you able to calm him down in the sauna with some deep muscle massage?

[LordJezo]

Were you able to calm him down in the sauna with some deep muscle massage?

Deep muscle massage is what he is worried about the TSA workers doing as his 6th grade son walks through a scanner.

[disneyspy]

At the gym today a guy was pretty angry at the nudie scanners that are going to be deployed in more airports. Said he no longer wants to allow his young children to go on flights as their images will be used for perverted child porn by the people who get to view the images, he's expecting a leak of the footage from the machines any day now, believes none of the nonsense that the images will not be stored.

what the hell is the name of the gym you work out at?

looney tunes gym?

[EliSnow]

Deep muscle massage is what he is worried about the TSA workers doing as his 6th grade son walks through a scanner.

http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/political-pictures-george-bush-fail.jpg

Seriously, awful come-back.

[LordJezo]

Seriously, awful come-back.

Not a comeback but a valid fear Americans now have, the pedophiles will now clamor for TSA jobs in order to see preteens nude on a regular and legal basis. Sitting behind those closed doors with hundreds of children presented to you naked every day is going to be a dream job for many.

[EliSnow]

Not a comeback but a valid fear Americans now have, the pedophiles will now clamor for TSA jobs in order to see preteens nude on a regular and legal basis. Sitting behind those closed doors with hundreds of children presented to you naked every day is going to be a dream job for many.

It was an attempt at a comeback, otherwise you would never have used my term of "deep muscle massage."

[opie's twisted balls]

Bomb them all and let God figure it out!
as long as its the right god (mine) doing the figuring


At the gym today a guy was pretty angry at the nudie scanners that are going to be deployed in more airports. Said he no longer wants to allow his young children to go on flights as their images will be used for perverted child porn by the people who get to view the images, he's expecting a leak of the footage from the machines any day now, believes none of the nonsense that the images will not be stored.
Do you do a hit of acid before posting this nonsense? Have you (aka "the guy at the gym") seen the images from these scanners? Not really jerkoff material unless you have an x-ray fetish. If you want pictures of supple hairless young heinys to look at while defiling yourself you'll have to keep using your existing sources.

[LordJezo]

Do you do a hit of acid before posting this nonsense? Have you (aka "the guy at the gym") seen the images from these scanners? Not really jerkoff material unless you have an x-ray fetish. If you want pictures of supple hairless young heinys to look at while defiling yourself you'll have to keep using your existing sources.

Perverts will use anything to jerk off. Just knowing that the blurry image is a preteen will be enough for them to line up for days just to get the job. Their sick minds dont need high def 1080p moving pictures. This invasion of nudity will be the best thing to ever happen to them. The gym guy is doing the only thing he can to protect his children, keeping them out of airports and out of the nude pedophile jack machines that the government will start handing out contracts for.

[EliSnow]

Do you do a hit of acid before posting this nonsense? Have you (aka "the guy at the gym") seen the images from these scanners? Not really jerkoff material unless you have an x-ray fetish. If you want pictures of supple hairless young heinys to look at while defiling yourself you'll have to keep using your existing sources.

Don't take Jezo seriously on anything. His posts are either 1) creepy as fuck posts about people related to the R&F show or 2) political posts that nutty as fuck.

[LordJezo]

Don't take Jezo seriously on anything. His posts are either 1) creepy as fuck posts about people related to the R&F show or 2) political posts that nutty as fuck.

Nice how you don't worry about young boys and girls being abused by criminal TSA workers.

[EliSnow]

Nice how you don't worry about young boys and girls being abused by criminal TSA workers.

Have fun with the boys at the gym tonight!

[LordJezo]

Have fun with the boys at the gym tonight!

Consenting adults having homosex in locker rooms is a whole lot different than some innocent Asian boy child being the object of a closed door batch session to some lonely old man who got a job as a security agent for the only purpose of feeding his perversion.

[Dude!]

Don't take Jezo seriously on anything. His posts are either 1) creepy as fuck posts about people related to the R&F show or 2) political posts that nutty as fuck.

when eli snow goes into
his 'attack the messenger'
mode
it is because he has lost
on the message

jezo wins

[EliSnow]

when eli snow goes into
his 'attack the messenger'
mode
it is because he has lost
on the message

jezo wins

Please. First, that's not an attack. That's giving opie's twisted information on what Jezo's posts are like. And that's an accurate description of his posts.

Second, there is no message. I'm treating his "message" with all the seriousness which it deserves. As opie's twisted said, the images generated are asexual and fears that they would be used that way are ridiculous.

It's like making fun of a person who contends the earth is flat. By doing so, it doesn't meant that the earth is actually flat.

[opie's twisted balls]

Perverts will use anything to jerk off. Just knowing that the blurry image is a preteen will be enough for them to line up for days just to get the job. Their sick minds dont need high def 1080p moving pictures. This invasion of nudity will be the best thing to ever happen to them.
You seem to know a lot about this particular demo. Have you had any visits from Chris Hansen lately?

Don't take Jezo seriously on anything
As much as I enjoy RF.net I take very little of whats said here seriously.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Please. First, that's not an attack. That's giving opie's twisted information on what Jezo's posts are like. And that's an accurate description of his posts.

Second, there is no message. I'm treating his "message" with all the seriousness which it deserves. As opie's twisted said, the images generated are asexual and fears that they would be used that way are ridiculous.

It's like making fun of a person who contends the earth is flat. By doing so, it doesn't meant that the earth is actually flat.

I thought you jumped all over his shit. Overreacted. Prematurely dismissive. Repeatly nailed the poster before the post. The post, albeit distinctly Jezo-like, was a somewhat unique take on the body scan / privacy discussion. I, for one, am thinking: "MILFS"; and helloooo TSA nights and weekends.

[disneyspy]

Jezo Kicked Eli's Ass Today!

[SonOfSmeagol]

Radical islam is a cancer. With the proper techniques it can be found and culled. If allowed to spread unchecked it will cause infinitely more sorrow and death.

Terrorism will have to be dealt with the same way the Barbary states were dealt with the last time East and West clashed -- diplomacy, direct action and a massive consensus that will require decades, even centuries all the while requiring a herculean effort.

Most certainly diplomatic, military, and economic responses are needed. Not too much different than what we’re already engaged in, and have had some success at in terms of eliminating Al Qaeda. We just need this administration to continue to focus more on the reality. (1) capture and interrogate the Al Qaeda leaders if possible – eliminate them otherwise (2) strangle the leaders/organizations economically (3) allow no safe haven for the leaders/organizations anywhere (including state-sponsored).

What are we gonna do otherwise? Give it up? I’m so fucking sick of the defeatist and/or “we caused it” attitude that is an undercurrent here. I say continue to do those three things – applying diplomatic, military, and economic means to each as appropriate – and we will see more and more progress.

[badmonkey]

Everybody knows that once the suicide bomber has the bomb strapped on his back in the city, it's pretty much too late to stop him from blowing himself up and killing hundreds. What we're trying achieve by fighting terrorism is finding the guy before he straps on the bomb and blows people up.

You don't have to examine every person in the world that fits the profile of a terrorist to prevent them from flying, it would be nice that when somebody is so radical that it freaks his father out enough to turn him in ... maybe he should get a little extra scrutiny before he sets his leg on fire trying to blow up the fucking plane. There's a lot more to criminal profiling than skin color and religion.

Terrorist attacks aren't inevitable and they're certainly not something that we just "have to live with".

[epo]

Terrorist attacks aren't inevitable and they're certainly not something that we just "have to live with".

That's where you and I differ.

Terrorist attacks are inevitable, however we should do everything within our laws & way of life to stop them and prevent the conditions that foster them.

[Dude!]

Terrorist attacks are inevitable, however we should do everything within our laws & way of life to stop them and prevent the conditions that foster them.

are you suggesting outlawing islam?

[badmonkey]

That's where you and I differ.

Terrorist attacks are inevitable, however we should do everything within our laws & way of life to stop them and prevent the conditions that foster them.

Maybe I should have put it differently...

It is inevitable that terrorists are going to try to attack us. Some of the posts here make it sound like we're heading into an environment where you wear a flack jacket because you don't know if the coffee shop getting blown up today by a terrorist will be the one your standing in or the one across the street.

I don't think most of us are ready for terrorist attacks to become a part of our everyday lives and that is more what I meant. Just because it is inevitable that they will try to attack, doesn't mean that we just give up trying to prevent it and hope it happens somewhere else to somebody that we don't know.

[Syd]

What are we gonna do otherwise? Give it up? I’m so fucking sick of the defeatist and/or “we caused it” attitude that is an undercurrent here. I say continue to do those three things – applying diplomatic, military, and economic means to each as appropriate – and we will see more and more progress.

Saying we caused it doesn't make it defeatist, or anything. It's the truth of the matter. The US and its imperialist actions caused it. Period. No way around it. That's not to say we didn't get something out of it -- we almost always did, except with Israel. That definitely backfired and instead of strong-arming countries into being pro-West, we caused backlash and had anti-American governments come into power.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Saying we caused it doesn't make it defeatist, or anything. It's the truth of the matter. The US and its imperialist actions caused it. Period. No way around it. That's not to say we didn't get something out of it -- we almost always did, except with Israel. That definitely backfired and instead of strong-arming countries into being pro-West, we caused backlash and had anti-American governments come into power.

I could not disagree more. We have many many more friends over many years, than not, in this world. I will once again quote the words of bho from Dec 2. I could not have said it tighter or better:

We have spilled American blood in many countries on multiple continents. We have spent our revenue to help others rebuild from rubble and develop their own economies. We have joined with others to develop an architecture of institutions -- from the United Nations to NATO to the World Bank -- that provide for the common security and prosperity of human beings.

We have not always been thanked for these efforts, and we have at times made mistakes. But more than any other nation, the United States of America has underwritten global security for over six decades -- a time that, for all its problems, has seen walls come down, and markets open, and billions lifted from poverty, unparalleled scientific progress and advancing frontiers of human liberty.

For unlike the great powers of old, we have not sought world domination. Our union was founded in resistance to oppression. We do not seek to occupy other nations. We will not claim another nation’s resources or target other peoples because their faith or ethnicity is different from ours. What we have fought for -- what we continue to fight for -- is a better future for our children and grandchildren. And we believe that their lives will be better if other peoples’ children and grandchildren can live in freedom and access opportunity.

[Syd]

yeah definitely sucks that bin Laden never thanked us for training him, or Iran thanking us for providing them with weapons, or FARC thanking us for funding them. Funny the Kurds never thanked us either after our overwhelming support to them after the first Gulf War either. They're all dickheads, really, who hate us for our freedom.

[TripleSkeet]

Maybe I should have put it differently...

It is inevitable that terrorists are going to try to attack us. Some of the posts here make it sound like we're heading into an environment where you wear a flack jacket because you don't know if the coffee shop getting blown up today by a terrorist will be the one your standing in or the one across the street.

I don't think most of us are ready for terrorist attacks to become a part of our everyday lives and that is more what I meant. Just because it is inevitable that they will try to attack, doesn't mean that we just give up trying to prevent it and hope it happens somewhere else to somebody that we don't know.

I was the one that said you just have to live with it. What I was referring to was the fact that no matter how safe you want to be, and no matter how safe our government claims they can make us...its never going to be so. Its fucking impossible.

You just have to be satisfied with the effort, and pary for the best. Go out and live your life and dont worry about shit like that. Thats basically what I was saying, and it sounds like that was your sentiment too.

My big problem is I dont want to give up every fucking comfort I have in this country for some extra safety. Id rather take the risk. But hey, thats just me. Some people wouldnt mind if they handcuffed every passenger to their chair on every flight in order to guarantee a one of them wont be able to do anything. Not me.

[Ritalin]

From Andrew Sullivan:

The more we hear the clearer it is that profound incompetence allowed the trust-fund Nigerian to get on that flight to Detroit. I mean: the fundamentalist's dad all but begged the CIA to keep tabs on his son.

Many on the Cheney right complain that moderate Muslims do not expose the radicals in their midst. But here we had a moderate Muslim prepared to hand over his own son to prevent Jihadism and the CIA dropped the ball.

We need a thorough investigation so that every single person in the chain of command who failed to connect the dots is fired.

[Syd]

It's a matter of arrogance. The CIA has a long, long history of arrogance and it continually bites us in the ass.

[keithy_19]

We need a thorough investigation so that every single person in the chain of command who failed to connect the dots is fired.

This.

[furie]

Also, the no fly list in this country is a joke. I've always read there were over a million names on it.

no, under 50,000 names are on it.

But yes, it is a joke. The name "no-fly" list is a bit of a misnomer, as people on the no-fly list can still fly. it's really more of a low tech mechanism to track individuals of interest.

[Syd]

AP sources: Suicide bomber was invited on base

By PAMELA HESS and ADAM GOLDMAN, Associated Press Writers Pamela Hess And Adam Goldman, Associated Press Writers – 1 min ago

WASHINGTON – The Associated Press has learned that the suicide bomber who killed seven CIA employees at a remote outpost in southeastern Afghanistan had been invited onto the base and was not searched.

A former senior intelligence official says the man was being courted as an informant and that it was the first time he had been brought inside the camp.

The official says a senior and experienced CIA debriefer came from Kabul for the meeting, suggesting that the purpose of the meeting was to gain intelligence.

The former senior intelligence official and another former official with knowledge of the attack spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

The CIA has declined to comment.

More evidence the CIA is full of morons put there by nepotism.

[SonOfSmeagol]

More evidence the CIA is full of morons put there by nepotism.

I was really sorry to hear the news of this bombing and losses to CIA. Yes, many many more of our troops have died and been injured over there, but I have an immense respect for the mission that the CIA is charged with and the people that carry it out. We live in the real world and the CIA is about as close to keeping tabs on what’s important to this country as you can get.

I think “full of morons” and “nepotism” are not fair statements. They seem to be very professional as a whole and pretty much apolitical. I don’t see any overwhelming evidence otherwise.

[Syd]

I think “full of morons” and “nepotism” are not fair statements. They seem to be very professional as a whole and pretty much apolitical. I don’t see any overwhelming evidence otherwise.

Stop worshipping anyone with a gun. They let in someone to a secure area without patting them down or otherwise checking them for weapons/explosives. They failed to check into the actions of the latest plane bomber.

Just because the GOP tells you to kneel before the CIA doesn't negate the fact that they're becoming more and more incompetent as the years go by. Even when we have intelligence given to us (9/11) we failed to act on it. The entire agency should be burned to the ground and rebuilt with people who care about security instead of the current crop who care about protecting their own image or god knows what they're doing.

[Ogre]

More evidence the CIA is full of morons put there by nepotism.

You are a heartless asshole with no soul.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Stop worshipping anyone with a gun. They let in someone to a secure area without patting them down or otherwise checking them for weapons/explosives. They failed to check into the actions of the latest plane bomber.

Just because the GOP tells you to kneel before the CIA doesn't negate the fact that they're becoming more and more incompetent as the years go by. Even when we have intelligence given to us (9/11) we failed to act on it. The entire agency should be burned to the ground and rebuilt with people who care about security instead of the current crop who care about protecting their own image or god knows what they're doing.

What the fuck does this have to do with the GOP? Would you want to live the life of a CIA Field agent? I agree that there needs to be someoverhauling of the CIA but at the top levels. Leon Panetta as head of the CIA? Give me a fucking break.

[opie's twisted balls]

More evidence the CIA is full of morons put there by nepotism.
Actually sounds remarkably like the DNC.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Actually sounds remarkably like the DNC.

Or the White House Staff and Cabinet

[A.J.]

Just because the GOP tells you to kneel before the CIA doesn't negate the fact that they're becoming more and more incompetent as the years go by. Even when we have intelligence given to us (9/11) we failed to act on it. The entire agency should be burned to the ground and rebuilt with people who care about security instead of the current crop who care about protecting their own image or god knows what they're doing.

You do realize that the job of the CIA is to provide intelligence to POLICYMAKERS, right? THEY are the ones who are then supposed to act on it.

That's why we now have a DNI to coordinate information among ALL the intel agencies. Since he failed to do that, HE should be held accountable.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Just because the GOP tells you to kneel before the CIA doesn't negate the fact that they're becoming more and more incompetent as the years go by. Even when we have intelligence given to us (9/11) we failed to act on it. The entire agency should be burned to the ground and rebuilt with people who care about security instead of the current crop who care about protecting their own image or god knows what they're doing.

C’mon - even if CIA was “burned to the ground and rebuilt” your anarchist soul would still find some way to hate them.

[Syd]

You do realize that the job of the CIA is to provide intelligence to POLICYMAKERS, right? THEY are the ones who are then supposed to act on it.

That's why we now have a DNI to coordinate information among ALL the intel agencies. Since he failed to do that, HE should be held accountable.

The CIA basically chucked the intelligence aside and discounted it because they didn't obviously didn't believe Al Qaeda was capable of something that complex.

[Syd]

What the fuck does this have to do with the GOP? Would you want to live the life of a CIA Field agent? I agree that there needs to be someoverhauling of the CIA but at the top levels. Leon Panetta as head of the CIA? Give me a fucking break.

The GOP keeps pushing the line of "THE CIA IS SACROSANCT!!!" but here we have people getting fucking murdered because no one bothers patting down an informant? Really? That is like security 101. The agency needs a massive overhauling or better yet have it folded into the NSA and FBI.

[A.J.]

The CIA basically chucked the intelligence aside and discounted it because they didn't obviously didn't believe Al Qaeda was capable of something that complex.

Where did you hear that? All reporting thus far indicated that the dots were simply not connected.

[Ogre]

The GOP keeps pushing the line of "THE CIA IS SACROSANCT!!!" but here we have people getting fucking murdered because no one bothers patting down an informant? Really? That is like security 101. The agency needs a massive overhauling or better yet have it folded into the NSA and FBI.

What is your expertise? Do you teach security 201? You seem to me like a sideline sitting blowhard that throws flaming shitbombs from the back row. pussy.

[sailor]

What is your expertise? Do you teach security 201? You seem to me like a sideline sitting blowhard that throws flaming shitbombs from the back row. pussy.

so does virtually everyone on here on either side.

[Ogre]

so does virtually everyone on here on either side.

That is true. My issue is with the blatant disregard for these people that serve in the line of duty being impugned with no line of defense.

They can't speak out
They cannot defend themselves
They do the shittiest job on the planet
They can never knowingly accept award or accreditation

and yet people on this board seek to discount their sacrifices to hammer home a political agenda.

It sickens me.

[epo]

You do realize that the job of the CIA is to provide intelligence to POLICYMAKERS, right? THEY are the ones who are then supposed to act on it.

That's why we now have a DNI to coordinate information among ALL the intel agencies. Since he failed to do that, HE should be held accountable.

^^^ This.

From the outside view, the whole problem seems to be of a broken information sharing process, not from bad people in the field.

[SatCam]

We need a thorough investigation so that every single person in the chain of command who failed to connect the dots is fired.

So that we can hire some more people who will make the same mistakes?

[Syd]

What is your expertise? Do you teach security 201? You seem to me like a sideline sitting blowhard that throws flaming shitbombs from the back row. pussy.

I have no expertise but I can tell you that if I bring in someone who is an informant for an enemy force I might, you know, check to see if he might actually be trying to kill me. It's not exactly high subterfuge to sneak in under a false flag. There might be some common allegorical word for it like "trojan horse" but what do I know?

[Syd]

I think “full of morons” and “nepotism” are not fair statements. They seem to be very professional as a whole and pretty much apolitical. I don’t see any overwhelming evidence otherwise.

I wanted to let this stinkbomb sit out there for a bit, but for an apolitical organization I'm sure glad they were never involved in any sort of political scandal at a hotel in DC. That'd sure be embarrassing!

[A.J.]

The CIA basically chucked the intelligence aside and discounted it because they didn't obviously didn't believe Al Qaeda was capable of something that complex.

Where did you hear that? All reporting thus far indicated that the dots were simply not connected.

I have no expertise but I can tell you that if I bring in someone who is an informant for an enemy force I might, you know, check to see if he might actually be trying to kill me. It's not exactly high subterfuge to sneak in under a false flag. There might be some common allegorical word for it like "trojan horse" but what do I know?

How did we go from the attempted plane bombing in Detroit to the CIA agents that were killed in Afghanistan? What do they have to do with each other?

[Syd]

^^^ This.

From the outside view, the whole problem seems to be of a broken information sharing process, not from bad people in the field.

To some extent, yes. More that you don't get hired unless your family served a particular politician or you know the right people. To advance, you have to play ball. Being good at your job doesn't necessarily bring reward. Plus by all accounts there are too many chiefs and not enough indians -- the guys at the bottom are overworked and stressed to the max.

[Syd]

How did we go from the attempted plane bombing in Detroit to the CIA agents that were killed in Afghanistan? What do they have to do with each other?

The CIA dropped the ball on both and we're shown to be just as vulnerable as we were a decade ago?

[A.J.]

The CIA dropped the ball on both and we're shown to be just as vulnerable as we were a decade ago?

Fine. Then Leon Panetta should go. He was a lousy choice anyway.

[TripleSkeet]

To some extent, yes. More that you don't get hired unless your family served a particular politician or you know the right people. To advance, you have to play ball. Being good at your job doesn't necessarily bring reward. Plus by all accounts there are too many chiefs and not enough indians -- the guys at the bottom are overworked and stressed to the max.

You pretty much just described most government jobs...all the way down to the post office.

[Syd]

Fine. Then Leon Panetta should go. He was a lousy choice anyway.

Absofuckinglutely. There needs to be a major shake-up in the organization.

[opie's twisted balls]

The CIA needs another Dulles or Colby

[SonOfSmeagol]

How did we go from the attempted plane bombing in Detroit to the CIA agents that were killed in Afghanistan? What do they have to do with each other?

Get back on track, infidel.

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20091231/largeimage.11fec6385d8145ceafd1e2a790cc7b8b.guanta namo_al_qaida_ny116.jpg?x=213&y=140&xc=1&yc=1&wc=512&hc=337&q=85&sig=PAVqOYTPnQ9H4Vw7gAdNuQ--

[opie's twisted balls]

WASHINGTON -- A top White House official said on Sunday the attempted bombing of a U.S.-bound plane on Christmas Day exposed security lapses and errors but he played down the need for a sweeping overhaul of the system to thwart attacks.

John Brennan, a senior White House adviser on counterterrorism, said there was no single "smoking gun" that would have tipped off authorities to the plot.

President Barack Obama has come under criticism over the botched plane attack in which a 23-year-old Nigerian man whom U.S. authorities have linked to al Qaeda was allegedly able to board a flight with explosives in his underwear.

Security experts said there seemed to be a failure to connect the dots in the case of accused bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, whose father told the U.S. embassy in Nigeria of his concerns about his son's increased radicalization.

Brennan, speaking on ABC's "This Week," said the incident pointed to the need to make the security and intelligence systems more "robust" and that Obama would do that.

But he added: "There was no single piece of intelligence - a smoking gun, if you will - that said that Mr. Abdulmutallab was going to carry out this attack against that aircraft."

"What we had, looking back at it now, were a number of streams of information," said Brennan, the deputy national security adviser for counterterrorism and homeland security.

Obama, who is on vacation in Hawaii, called for a review of what he termed "human and systemic failures." He is to meet on Tuesday in Washington with intelligence advisers to discuss their review.

c/o Reuters
Really??? Wow! Stunning revelations there sparky.

[LordJezo]

Oh shit look who was right?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jan/04/new-scanners-child-porn-laws

Me.

Legal child porn in our airports.

[Dude!]

Oh shit look who was right?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jan/04/new-scanners-child-porn-laws

Me.

Legal child porn in our airports.

the guys who view the scans
are thinking about you, though
so it's not that bad

[sr71blackbird]

Its pretty amazing to think that a guy who actually did not succeed in blowing up a plane has caused the US probably billions of dollars worth of money to be spent and disrupted many people lives and convienience because of a failed attempt. The terrorists obviously do not even have to harm us to hurt us.

[west milly Tom]

Obama just said in the same breath that he won't tolerate security failures anymore and that Guantanamo is the reason Al Queda exists in the Arabian Peninsula. How can anyone take this guy seriously as a leader and defender of the constitution anymore. What a joke.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Its pretty amazing to think that a guy who actually did not succeed in blowing up a plane has caused the US probably billions of dollars worth of money to be spent and disrupted many people lives and convienience because of a failed attempt. The terrorists obviously do not even have to harm us to hurt us.

This is so true, and it was really worldwide not just US. In the sense that you describe it really was not a “failed” attempt. It seems to have caught us off-guard, backpedaling, and totally re-active – to this day. It was bad. But had that airplane went down it would have been incredibly bad.

It’s kind of strange: they came so close to bringing down a US airliner over US soil with what was a well thought-out evil plan. But they carried it out with an incompetent boob who came so close! What if these a-holes had actually their shit just a little more together? After all the safeguards it came down to passengers jumping on the bastard to prevent a tragedy!

[sr71blackbird]

True and just think how much more dedicated the other million or so people intent on bringing us harm, and you will see we really do not have a prayer, because we will never, under any circumstances, ever ever, take harsh action against these people because we value far more that they perceive us as this benevolent giant.
Meanwhile if we simply stopped allowing travel into our country from countries that have been shown have a link to these terrorists, we wouldmake a significant dent in this.
But again, there will never be anything proactive that we will do to hurt these peoples feelings.

[LordJezo]

Talk now is that the government is going to require passengers to wear shock bracelets if they want to travel on planes.

This is crazy, there is even a promo video for the tech.

http://www.lamperdlesslethal.com/video_gallery.asp?video=http://www.lamperdlesslethal.com/video/EMDsafetybracelet.flv&title=

This is all bullshit to keep the population from traveling. I have talked in the past about how the government is going to do whatever it can to keep us in place, to keep us from moving around and leaving our assigned areas. They are doing it in a round about way, they are making everything inconvenient, we'll have no choice but to stay at home.

[Furtherman]

Yep, the last thing the government would want is us traveling around and spending money!

2009 Jezo was crazier.

[foodcourtdruide]

I don't even understand this conspiracy. Why would the government not want us to fly and "stay at home"? What would your Jezo's imaginary sinister government gain from this?

[LordJezo]

I don't even understand this conspiracy. Why would the government not want us to fly and "stay at home"? What would your Jezo's imaginary sinister government gain from this?

Um, population reduction is one of the most widely known agendas of the global elites. A smaller population is easier to control and manage for their own lucifarian needs for power. Those in control of the world don't need us spending money or travelling about, that is all a simple cover for what really goes on behind the scenes.

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Also, what about the way North Korea is managed? People can't do anything, can't go anywhere, they are in total slavery to their leader. Keep the population crushed under your thumb and you will have supreme command. Kim Jong Ill doesn't need people flying around and having fun, the less they do the better it is for him, and that is what is starting to happen where in the west.

[west milly Tom]

Um, population reduction is one of the most widely known agendas of the global elites. A smaller population is easier to control and manage for their own lucifarian needs for power. Those in control of the world don't need us spending money or travelling about, that is all a simple cover for what really goes on behind the scenes.

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Also, what about the way North Korea is managed? People can't do anything, can't go anywhere, they are in total slavery to their leader. Keep the population crushed under your thumb and you will have supreme command. Kim Jong Ill doesn't need people flying around and having fun, the less they do the better it is for him, and that is what is starting to happen where in the west.


The new secret police is helpful for that too. We now have an agency that is above all US laws and undiscoverable through the freedom of information act, oh and totally beholden to the Obama administration. How long before the illegal search and seizures begin?

[EliSnow]

The new secret police is helpful for that too. We now have an agency that is above all US laws and undiscoverable through the freedom of information act, oh and totally beholden to the Obama administration. How long before the illegal search and seizures begin?

God, you've been proven wrong on that, and you're still going with it?

One nut is enough. Come on.

[foodcourtdruide]

Um, population reduction is one of the most widely known agendas of the global elites. A smaller population is easier to control and manage for their own lucifarian needs for power. Those in control of the world don't need us spending money or travelling about, that is all a simple cover for what really goes on behind the scenes.

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Also, what about the way North Korea is managed? People can't do anything, can't go anywhere, they are in total slavery to their leader. Keep the population crushed under your thumb and you will have supreme command. Kim Jong Ill doesn't need people flying around and having fun, the less they do the better it is for him, and that is what is starting to happen where in the west.

How would not allowing people to fly reduce population?

[Furtherman]

God, you've been proven wrong on that, and you're still going with it?

One nut is enough. Come on.

C'mon now, not too long ago he apologized for believing in the whole anti-constitutional hoax from uninformed sources and he's striving to lear....

Obama just said in the same breath that he won't tolerate security failures anymore and that Guantanamo is the reason Al Queda exists in the Arabian Peninsula. How can anyone take this guy seriously as a leader and defender of the constitution anymore. What a joke.


Never mind. Almond joy.

[Furtherman]

How would not allowing people to fly reduce population?

People would then have nothing better to do than to sit around and kill each other.

[FUNKMAN]

People would then have nothing better to do than to sit around and kill each other.

and more car accidents, traffic, and somali pirating...

[foodcourtdruide]

The new secret police is helpful for that too. We now have an agency that is above all US laws and undiscoverable through the freedom of information act, oh and totally beholden to the Obama administration. How long before the illegal search and seizures begin?

I'd disagree with you guys if this wasn't the new government issued air marshal helmet:
http://www.unitedmaskandparty.com/Character_Heads_And_Helmets/images/stormtrooper_formed_helmet.JPG

[foodcourtdruide]

This is so true, and it was really worldwide not just US. In the sense that you describe it really was not a “failed” attempt. It seems to have caught us off-guard, backpedaling, and totally re-active – to this day. It was bad. But had that airplane went down it would have been incredibly bad.

It’s kind of strange: they came so close to bringing down a US airliner over US soil with what was a well thought-out evil plan. But they carried it out with an incompetent boob who came so close! What if these a-holes had actually their shit just a little more together? After all the safeguards it came down to passengers jumping on the bastard to prevent a tragedy!

This reminds me of something Ronnie B. always says. Criminals, generally, are not smart people. Also reminds of this quote from Usual Suspects:

"To a cop the explanation is never that complicated. It's always simple. There's no mystery to the street, no arch criminal behind it all. If you got a dead body and you think his brother did it, you're gonna find out you're right. "

[west milly Tom]

God, you've been proven wrong on that, and you're still going with it?

One nut is enough. Come on.

Proven wrong? You saying I am wrong proves nothing beyond your own sillyness.

I have learned much more about the subject including that although they generally had immunty they were available through a paper trail. Now thanks to our great leader they no longer fall under the freedom of information act. You have a police force not beholden to the fourth amendment. Its fucking scary weather or not you personally think so.

[EliSnow]

Proven wrong? You saying I am wrong proves nothing beyond your own sillyness.

I have learned much more about the subject including that although they generally had immunty they were available through a paper trail. Now thanks to our great leader they no longer fall under the freedom of information act. You have a police force not beholden to the fourth amendment. Its fucking scary weather or not you personally think so.

Wrong. We have cited the order itself (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2641374&postcount=235), and descriptions from even a conservative website (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2641377&postcount=237) that clearly state that this order does not do what you say it does:

The latter provision has caused some alarm on the Internet, where many have feared Interpol — which is a law-enforcement agency — would be given more authority to operate in the United States. However, this executive order does nothing to change the authority of Interpol to operate in the United States, except to exempt them from taxes and searches.

You have provided nothing. Absolutely nothing, other than your own baseless ramblings. You say you have learned much, but you haven't cited to anything.

There is nothing in the order that makes this agency immune from the 4th Amendment. Any statement to that effect is absolute idiocy and not supported by anything.

As for the police force, tell me, how many police officers does Interpol have? How many foreign Interpol officers are in this country? You clearly don't even know how Interpol works.

You once said that you would no longer mislead people. You're doing just that.

You claim that Obama shouldn't be taken seriously? Well, you're now in Jezo territory with being taken seriously.

[Furtherman]

Its fucking scary weather

I'll say.

http://marianna68.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/lightning_storm_night_378609_l.jpeg

[FUNKMAN]

Good Credit Score Not Good Enough Anymore

http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/108486/good-credit-score-not-good-enough-anymore?mod=bb-creditreports

as i wrote before. there are people out there who are literally taking money out of your pocket.

if someone walks up to you in the street, puts a hand in your pocket and takes your money, what are you going to do?

again, terrorism has just one flaw, it kills innocent people. but there are a good handful of people that need to be taken care of

quotes:

A few years ago, a score of 620 or higher was good enough. That increased to 680 in early 2008. Then it jumped to 720 in April last year and 740 in August

I have clients all the time who literally wind up with a score of 739, 719, 699, 679 ... and it costs them money to either fix it or pay for it," Huettner says

One of Huettner's clients, who always had a score of about 740, went to do a refinance and found her current score at 719. "The reason was, she put a new washer and dryer on a store credit card

[EliSnow]

Good Credit Score Not Good Enough Anymore

http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/108486/good-credit-score-not-good-enough-anymore?mod=bb-creditreports

as i wrote before. there are people out there who are literally taking money out of your pocket.

if someone walks up to you in the street, puts a hand in your pocket and takes your money, what are you going to do?

again, terrorism has just one flaw, it kills innocent people. but there are a good handful of people that need to be taken care of

quotes:

A few years ago, a score of 620 or higher was good enough. That increased to 680 in early 2008. Then it jumped to 720 in April last year and 740 in August

I have clients all the time who literally wind up with a score of 739, 719, 699, 679 ... and it costs them money to either fix it or pay for it," Huettner says

One of Huettner's clients, who always had a score of about 740, went to do a refinance and found her current score at 719. "The reason was, she put a new washer and dryer on a store credit card


http://wtf-radio.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/wtf.jpg

[A.J.]

as i wrote before. there are people out there who are literally taking money out of your pocket.

We call them "Members of Congress".

[Furtherman]

Funkman has gone Punkman.


I think.

[sr71blackbird]

I saw this morning that the news was reporting that the Fort Hood Shooter and this guy are connected, that they corresponded. But now I cannot find that story. Has anyone seen this or can link it?

[Dude!]

yeah, they're both moslems

the government knew mid-flight
that this guy was a problem
and yet they did not notify the crew
to keep an eye on him

maybe obama and co.
wanted the plane
to crash and burn

[Dude!]

...

[LordJezo]

Totally batchable.

http://www.drudgereport.com/sscan.jpg

Having little kids go through the same process, pedos will have an easy time getting off.

[A.J.]

Totally batchable.

http://www.drudgereport.com/sscan.jpg

Having little kids go through the same process, pedos will have an easy time getting off.

Looks like the Shroud of Turin.

[Jujubees2]

Totally batchable.

http://www.drudgereport.com/sscan.jpg

Having little kids go through the same process, pedos will have an easy time getting off.

I don't know Jezo, you seem to be really concerned with pedos. I think you're either one or you were taken advantage by one as a child.

[sr71blackbird]

The screeners should be unuks.

[sr71blackbird]

Hey, I just thought of something. Why can't the machine just tell an operator that the person has something on them and the location of the item, but not allow the operator to see the scanned image? The the machine make the call. A metal detector doesn't show you the metal, it just alerts you to its presence. I see no reason why this machine would need to display an image of the persons body to an operator.

[topless_mike]

Hey, I just thought of something. Why can't the machine just tell an operator that the person has something on them and the location of the item, but not allow the operator to see the scanned image? The the machine make the call. A metal detector doesn't show you the metal, it just alerts you to its presence. I see no reason why this machine would need to display an image of the persons body to an operator.

because then things like, belly button rings, nipple rings, etc would set this shit off.
the idea is so that the person can see any object, metallic, powder, etc on the person's body.
think about it. a ziploc baggy full of anthrax dust taped to a person's body would get past most screeners, aside from sniffers systems. for your idea to work, you'd basically have to be blasting the person with a sonar ping.


as much as i loathe the thought have having to be body screened and searched and frisked and probed, i'd much rather that be done to me than be at 30,000 feet when Achmed 2 rows in front of me decides that "its time".

[Furtherman]

Hey, I just thought of something. Why can't the machine just tell an operator that the person has something on them and the location of the item, but not allow the operator to see the scanned image? The the machine make the call. A metal detector doesn't show you the metal, it just alerts you to its presence. I see no reason why this machine would need to display an image of the persons body to an operator.

Terrible idea.

The machine will kill you at every chance.

[Zorro]

Looks like the Shroud of Turin.

Funny that's what I call my wipe off towel

[sr71blackbird]

I think that there will be enough people upset at the idea that some human screener who hasn't been screened himself will be looking at their bodies and probably saving some of the jucier ones for home viewing or selling to others. I'm not saying this will happaen, but I am saying that there will likley be enough people wary of this to impact the airline industry and tourism. I also suspect that terrorist do not even need to blow shit up to get their message out. They want to disrupt things. By causing issues in airports, they effect the quality of our lives and we sacrifice convienience and privacy.

[LordJezo]

I don't know Jezo, you seem to be really concerned with pedos. I think you're either one or you were taken advantage by one as a child.

No, I am trying to get it through to you liberals that it's not okay to have legal child porn at all times in all airports as pedophiles sit behind closed doors and get paid to batch to nude images of small children in private.

[Ritalin]

No, I am trying to get it through to you liberals that it's not okay to have legal child porn at all times in all airports as pedophiles sit behind closed doors and get paid to batch to nude images of small children in private.

ok, so let's take a look at this application here. Hm, you were in prison for the past 10 years. Can I ask why?

Oh, you were a kid toucher. Well, that's not a problem. Welcome aboard. Just sit over there alone in that dark room and get to work!

(here's an idea: a line for the chicks - monitored by chicks - and a line for dudes - monitored by dudes, and we send the kids through the chicks line. Problem solved)

[LordJezo]

and a line for dudes - monitored by dudes,

Yeah, because pedos are never gay. Seems like all the ones who make the news are older men going after younger boys.

[EliSnow]

Yeah, because pedos are never gay. Seems like all the ones who make the news are older men going after younger boys.

Read the rest of the sentence:

and we send the kids through the chicks line. Problem solved)

[topless_mike]

define "kids"

[EliSnow]

define "kids"

I assume he means children regardless of gender below a certain age. What that age would be is where the debate would come in.

[opie's twisted balls]

Funny that's what I call my wipe off towel
The Shroud of Tuggin'

No, I am trying to get it through to you liberals that it's not okay to have legal child porn at all times in all airports as pedophiles sit behind closed doors and get paid to batch to nude images of small children in private.
Honest to fuck, your thought process scares the ever loving poop out of me. The way you paint the scenario of screeners being a group of Mr. Herbert like pedophiles/perverts sitting in peepshow booths just salivating over the plethora of kids passing through their view and waiting to share those images with their buddy is disturbing on many levels. To start with the technology involved operates in a closed system so its not as though a screener could simply pop in a USB flash drive and start copying images. Though the course of my career I've done business with several airport authorities and had the opportunity to see the back office workings. The private or TSA/CATSA staff areas look like any other office environment and simply don't present an opportunity for someone to start beating off. If the respective governments get their shit together and hire the right people the background checks as Ritalin mentioned will be in place to prevent anyone with a suspect past from being in a position to view the images.

Even for adults this isn't an issue of privacy or strangers being able to view inappropriate images. After the screener has seen the 100th passenger (which will be about 5 minutes into their shift) pass though the novelty or shock value will be gone.

[LordJezo]

Read the rest of the sentence:



With all of the cases of teachers raping their students this will be a sick idea as well.

[Dude!]

The Shroud of Tuggin'


Honest to fuck, your thought process scares the ever loving poop out of me. The way you paint the scenario of screeners being a group of Mr. Herbert like pedophiles/perverts sitting in peepshow booths just salivating over the plethora of kids passing through their view and waiting to share those images with their buddy is disturbing on many levels.

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[SonOfSmeagol]

Christmas Terror Suspect Pleads Not Guilty (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/08/politics/main6072491.shtml)

There’s been a lot of this in the press lately but I really don’t get why this Nigerian dimwit was not locked away as a detainee who committed an act of war against the US. We have laws that allow for that, so that he can be thoroughly interrogated and maybe we could’ve got some good timely info on other a-holes and their locations and intentions.

Instead he was allowed to lawyer up, thus we lose a probable good source of information. When he finally talks (read: plea deal) it’ll be months later and too late to do any good. IMO this is because this administration is more interested in how we look to the outside world as opposed to doing what’s best for us. I simply cannot think of any other reason.

[Dude!]

Christmas Terror Suspect Pleads Not Guilty (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/08/politics/main6072491.shtml)
IMO this is because this administration is more interested in how we look to the outside world as opposed to doing what’s best for us. I simply cannot think of any other reason.

um, maybe the administration
wants to keep him quiet
because they were behind it

[Furtherman]

Can't you even make a smart jab at the administration?


Never mind, I know the answer.

[SonOfSmeagol]

um, maybe the administration
wants to keep him quiet
because they were behind it

They woulda never've picked a black Muslim ... or ... would they? :unsure:

[Dude!]

Can't you even make a smart jab at the administration?


Never mind, I know the answer.

getting a little too close
to the truth for you
huh, quisling?

[Reephdweller]

Jeebus, these terrorist names just keep getting longer and longer...

Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab

JUST ONCE, why can't we hear "Bob Smith" or "Steve Jones has been arraigned" It's always some guy with sixteen consonants in a row in his name getting arrested!

JUST ONCE!

[opie's twisted balls]

JUST ONCE, why can't we hear "Bob Smith"
http://i47.tinypic.com/70l4kl.jpg

[topless_mike]

IMO this is because this administration is more interested in how we look to the outside world as opposed to doing what’s best for us. I simply cannot think of any other reason.[/SIZE]

thank you.
i cannot come up with anything else as well.

[topless_mike]

They woulda never've picked a black Muslim ... or ... would they? :unsure:


that would be racist. and you know, amerikkka hates the blacks.

[Syd]

Christmas Terror Suspect Pleads Not Guilty (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/08/politics/main6072491.shtml)

There’s been a lot of this in the press lately but I really don’t get why this Nigerian dimwit was not locked away as a detainee who committed an act of war against the US. We have laws that allow for that, so that he can be thoroughly interrogated and maybe we could’ve got some good timely info on other a-holes and their locations and intentions.

Instead he was allowed to lawyer up, thus we lose a probable good source of information. When he finally talks (read: plea deal) it’ll be months later and too late to do any good. IMO this is because this administration is more interested in how we look to the outside world as opposed to doing what’s best for us. I simply cannot think of any other reason.

yeah it is kind of fucked up we're following laws instead of acting like a bunch of savages

[Jujubees2]

Jeebus, these terrorist names just keep getting longer and longer...

Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab

JUST ONCE, why can't we hear "Bob Smith" or "Steve Jones has been arraigned" It's always some guy with sixteen consonants in a row in his name getting arrested!

JUST ONCE!

Well we did have this guy

http://www.bluecorncomics.com/pics/mcveigh.jpg

[Dude!]

Well we did have this guy

http://www.bluecorncomics.com/pics/mcveigh.jpg

ok you win
it's now 7000 to 1

[opie's twisted balls]

Well we did have this guy
OK, there's your one to just some of the others who are in the same camp as Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab (the tighty whitey terrorist).

-26 February 1993 - World Trade Center bombing, New York City. 6 killed.
-13 March 1993 - 1993 Bombay bombings. Mumbai, India. The single-day attacks resulted in over 250 civilian fatalities and 700 injuries.
-28 July 1994 - Buenos Aires, Argentina. Vehicle suicide bombing attack against AMIA building, the local Jewish community representation, leaves 85 dead and more than 300 injured.
-24 December 1994 - Air France Flight 8969 hijacking in Algiers by 3 members of Armed Islamic Group of Algeria and another terrorist. 7 killed including 4 hijackers.
-25 June 1996 - Khobar Towers bombing, 20 killed, 372 wounded.
-17 November 1997 - Luxor attack, 6 armed islamic militants attack tourists at Egypts famous Luxor Ruins. 68 foreign tourists killed.
-14 February 1998 - The 1998 Coimbatore bombings occurred in the city of Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu, India. 46 people were killed and over 200 were injured in 13 bomb attacks within a 12 km radius.
-7 August 1998 - 1998 United States embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya. 224 dead. 4000+ injured.
-4 September 1999 - A series of bombing attacks in several cities of Russia, kills near 300 people.
-12 October 2000 - Attack on the USS cole in the Yemeni port of Aden.
-11 September 2001 - 4 planes hijacked and crashed into World Trade Center and The Pentagon by 19 hijackers. Nearly 3000 dead.
-13 December 2001 - Suicide attack on India's parliament in New Delhi. Aimed at eliminating the top leadership of India and causing anarchy in the country. Allegedly done by Pakistan-based Islamist terrorist organizations, Jaish-E-Mohammad and Lashkar-e-Toiba.
-27 March 2002 - Suicide bomb attack on a Passover Seder in a Hotel in Netanya, Israel. 30 dead, 133 injured.
-7 May 2002 - Bombing in al-Arbaa, Algeria. 49 dead, 117 injured.
-24 September 2002 - Machine Gun attack on Hindu temple in Ahmedabad, India. 31 dead, 86 injured.
-12 October 2002 - Bombing in Bali nightclub. 202 killed, 300 injured.
-16 May 2003 - Casablanca Attacks - 4 simultaneous attacks in Casablanca killing 33 civilians (mostly Moroccans) carried by Salafaia Jihadia.
-11 March 2004 - Multiple bombings on trains near Madrid, Spain. 191 killed, 1460 injured (alleged link to Al-Qaeda).
-1 September 2004 Approximately 344 civilians including 186 children, are killed during the Beslan school hostage crisis.
-2 November 2004 - Ritual murder of Theo van Gogh (film director) by Amsterdam-born jihadist Mohammed Bouyeri.
-4 February 2005 - Muslim militants attacked the Christian community in Demsa, Nigeria, killing 36 people, destroying property and displacing an additional 3000 people.
-7 July 2005 - Multiple bombings in London Underground. 53 killed by four suicide bombers. Nearly 700 injured.
-23 July 2005 - Bomb attacks at Sharm el-Sheikh, an Egyptian resort city, at least 64 people killed.
-29 October 2005 - 29 October 2005 Delhi bombings, India. Over 60 killed and over 180 injured in a series of three attacks in crowded markets and a bus, just 2 days before the Diwali festival.
-9 November 2005 - 2005 Amman bombings. Over 60 killed and 115 injured, in a series of coordinated suicide attacks on hotels in Amman, Jordan. Four attackers including a husband and wife team were involved.
-7 March 2006 - 2006 Varanasi bombings, India. An attack attributed to Lashkar-e-Taiba by Uttar Pradesh government officials, over 28 killed and over 100 injured, in a series of attacks in the Sankath Mochan Hanuman temple and Cantonment Railway Station in the Hindu holy city of Varanasi. Uttar Pradesh government officials.
-11 July 2006 - Mumbai, India. 11 July 2006 Mumbai train bombings were a series of seven bomb blasts that took place over a period of 11 minutes on the Suburban Railway in Mumbai (formerly known as Bombay). 209 people lost their lives and over 700 were injured in the attacks.
-14 August 2007 - Qahtaniya bombings: Four suicide vehicle bombers massacred nearly 800 members of northern Iraq's Yazidi sect in the deadliest Iraq war's attack to date.
-26 July 2008 - Ahmedabad, India. Islamic militants detonate at least 16 explosive devices in the heart of this industrial capital, leaving at least 49 dead and 160 injured. A Muslim group calling itself the Indian Mujahideen claims responsibility. Indian authorities believe that extremists with ties to Pakistan and/or Bangladesh are likely responsible and are intent on inciting communal violence. Investigation by Indian police led to the eventual arrest of a number of militants suspected of carrying out the blasts, most of whom belong to a well-known terrorist group, The Students Islamic Movement of India.
-13 September 2008 - Delhi, India. Pakistani extremist groups plant bombs at several places including India Gate, out of which the ones at Karol Bagh, Connaught Place and Greater Kailash explode leaving around 30 people dead, followed by another attack two weeks later at the congested Mehrauli area, leaving 2 people dead.
-26 November 2008 - Mumbai, India. Muslim extremists kill at least 174 people and wound numerous others in a series of coordinated attacks on India's largest city and financial capital. A group calling itself the Deccan Mujaheddin claims responsibility, however, the government of India suspects Islamic militants based in Pakistan are responsible. Ajmal Kasab, one of the militants, was caught alive.
-25 October 2009. Baghdad, Iraq. During a terrorist attack, two bomber vehicles detonated in the Green Zone, killing at least 155 people and injuring 520.
-28 October 2009 - Peshawar, Pakistan. A car bomb is detonated in a woman exclusive shopping district, and over 110 die with 200 or more injured.
-3 December 2009 - Mogadishu, Somalia. A male suicide bomber disguised as a woman detonates in a hotel meeting hall. The hotel was hosting a graduation ceremony for local medical students when the blast went off, killing four government ministers as well as other civilians.
-1 January 2010 - Lakki Marwat, Pakistan. A suicide car bomber drove his explosive-laden vehicle into a volleyball pitch as people gathered to watch a match killing more than 90 people.

[epo]

This goes to show us how stupid the title "War on Terror" is. Terrorists can come in many forms....

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And over many different issues as its a tactic employed by fringe-groups from throughout the globe.

[Syd]

Some of that is brown on brown violence, does that really count? It's like two animals fighting.

[LordJezo]

In London they are printing out copies of the body scans

http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20100206/908/ten-shah-rukh-signs-off-sexy-body-scan-p.html

If a bunch of fems are printing out and giggling over a movie star's xray what is to stop the pedos from printing and jacking to x-rays of children?