2010 College Football thread

[JimBeam]

Didn't the other QB, Jarrett Lee I think, get the chance at the job 1st last year ?

I thought I remembered him stinking the joint up as well.

I'm trying to become an LSU football fan ( as I naturally should be since I went there ) so that it woun't be confusing for my son when he's old enough to watch sports w/ me but I won't do it until Miles is gone.

Something about that guy makes my skin crawl.

Hopefully he'll tank it in the league this year and he'll be out at the end of the year.

What's funny is I heard his name mentioned as a possible replacement for Rodriguez at Michigan if they ever decided to fire him.

Could you imagine taking a guy who couldn't get it done in a recruiting hotbed, al beit in the most competetive league, and making him your head coach after he was fired ?

[JimBeam]

True, I'm still not sold on Lee as a long-term starter. The reason Jefferson ascended to the position in the first place is because Lee threw 16 interceptions two years ago, seven of which were returned for touchdowns. There's no way to know whether he still bears the scars of that season, when Tiger fans turned on him the same as they now have turned on Jefferson.

I knew I remembered there being an issue w/ Lee but I guess it was from 2 years ago.

[ozzie]

I knew I remembered there being an issue w/ Lee but I guess it was from 2 years ago.

Yeah, his Freshman year. He started the season third string behind Perilloux and Hatch, and got thrown to the wolves against AU after they knocked out Hatch. He started shaky as hell, but got it together to pull out the win in the end.

The rest of the year was similar, some good moments, and some bad mistakes, until he got hurt against Ole Miss, and Jefferson took over.

Jefferson was up and down too, but had a nice showing in their bowl game that year, and has been their starter ever since.

I think the LSU fans just want to see ANYONE in there at this point, besides Jefferson.


And, yeah, I've been hearing the Michigan rumors for years. The coonass that works for me is constantly rooting against Michigan in hopes that they'll fire Rod and take Miles off their hands. (He's convinced that they could get Muschamp if Miles left or was fired)

It made sense a year or two ago on the heels of their MNC, but, yeah, doesn't seem like he'd be Michigan's first choice now.

[hammersavage]

Here's positional ranks, QB, RB and FB. (http://www.bigbluechip.com/my-blog/2010/09/positional-rankings-qb-rb-fb.html)

[JimBeam]

Saw that the Big 12, soon to the Not As Big 10, has chosen to go w/ a 9 game conference schedule w/o a title game starting next season.

I think that'll swap them w/ the current Big 10 as the league w/ a better chance to sneak into a a BCS title game w/ 1 loss.

Not having the benefit of the conference title game boost at the end of the season will prove costly for them.

[ozzie]

Tarheels are in trouble (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AvcyuSGqc4cVvOltVsCSLXY5nYcB?slug=cr-uncagents092910)

[hammersavage]

Here's positional ranks for WR and TE's. (http://www.bigbluechip.com/my-blog/2010/09/positional-rankings-wr-te.html)

[Snoogans]

man Utah State is puttin it on BYU right now. Who the fuck saw this coming

[Snacks]

man Utah State is puttin it on BYU right now. Who the fuck saw this coming

isnt BYU shit this year? I believe they are 1-3 so why is it a surprise they are garbage getting beat bad? Maybe they should have been praying to their underwear or golden plates in the off season a little more!:laugh:

[Snoogans]

isnt BYU shit this year? I believe they are 1-3 so why is it a surprise they are garbage getting beat bad? Maybe they should have been praying to their underwear or golden plates in the off season a little more!:laugh:

if i remember right, utah state is like 3-37 in its last 40 games. BYU was at least decent recently. Also, you had to think BYU had at least some talent if they had the balls to go independant and try to get their own TV deal

[Snoogans]

and yes thats an exaggeration, but they really suck. they lost to SDSU 41-7 last week, utah state i mean

[ozzie]

man Utah State is puttin it on BYU right now. Who the fuck saw this coming

Yeah, 1 - 3 going in, but the one win was over Washington, and losses @ Air Force, @ FSU and Nevada. 3 pretty good teams.

Never would have predicted they'd lay down against Utah State like that.

[Snoogans]

Yeah, 1 - 3 going in, but the one win was over Washington, and losses @ Air Force, @ FSU and Nevada. 3 pretty good teams.

Never would have predicted they'd lay down against Utah State like that.

thats what makes me laugh about the records thing in college ball. oh they are 1-3, they must suck.

FIU is 0-3 and had a chance to win all of their games....against Rutgers, Texas A&M and Maryland. Id venture a guess and say FIU is better than 90% of the teams with 1 win

[Snoogans]

jacory harris sucks

[ozzie]

Not rubbing salt... but... Tulane? Wow.

Could be a long year for Rutgers. Tulane is not a good football team this year.

[ozzie]

Who's watching Michigan?

WTF?

[spoon]

Not rubbing salt... but... Tulane? Wow.

Could be a long year for Rutgers. Tulane is not a good football team this year.

When you have a qb named Savage, you know ur in for it! bluechip baby!

[ozzie]

Just when I was about to comment on how Les Miles' miserable clock management finally caught up to him with an embarrassment...

...the luckiest coach in college football gets yet another break.

Holy shit.

[El Mudo]

Just when I was about to comment on how Les Miles' miserable clock management finally caught up to him with an embarrassment...

...the luckiest coach in college football gets yet another break.

Holy shit.


To quote Jack Buck....I can't believe what I just saw

[Snacks]

jacory harris sucks

why is that? they won he threw multiple td's. What else did he do?

[ozzie]

Boise has to be celebrating Va Tech beating a ranked team today.

BCS poll comes out after this weekend, right?

The computers won't hate on Boise yet, but they'll drop steadily every week. Their schedule gets worse and worse from here until they get Nevada.

Hopefully Nevada will take them out so it won't matter.

No matter what happens tonight (Bama/UF, Oregon/Stanford), there will still undefeated teams remaining from Big 10, Big 12, SEC, WAC, MWC and Pac 10.

[Snoogans]

why is that? they won he threw multiple td's. What else did he do?

at the time i had posted, i had flipped to the game for exactly 2 miami offensive PLAYS. On both plays he threw TERRIBLE interceptions. first was a deep ball to benjamin that was double covered and he threw 10 yards too long, 2nd was the one in the endzone. those were the only 2 miami offensive plays i saw the entire game

[Snoogans]

Not rubbing salt... but... Tulane? Wow.

Could be a long year for Rutgers. Tulane is not a good football team this year.

you should rub salt.

Rutgers scored on the 2nd play of the game on a 91 yard TD run by Mohamad Sanu. After that, Tom Savage proceeded to eat ass until he got hurt. the 2nd half they played with True Freshman Chas Dodd at QB, and he actually threw a TD pass, seemed alot better than savage.

Shame of it is, the defense was great, again. They always play great and then the offense goes 3 and out. Its becoming embarrassing. Savage looks afraid to throw and Schiano, more importantly, seems afraid to call throws.

Tulane isnt a good football team, but right now, neither is Rutgers. The defense is really good and the rest of the team is just garbage

[Snoogans]

Boise has to be celebrating Va Tech beating a ranked team today.

BCS poll comes out after this weekend, right?

The computers won't hate on Boise yet, but they'll drop steadily every week. Their schedule gets worse and worse from here until they get Nevada.

Hopefully Nevada will take them out so it won't matter.

No matter what happens tonight (Bama/UF, Oregon/Stanford), there will still undefeated teams remaining from Big 10, Big 12, SEC, WAC, MWC and Pac 10.

i think BCS is after week 6, thats next week i think

[Snoogans]

why do I not have the Stanford vs Oregon game? What the fuck

[ozzie]

why do I not have the Stanford vs Oregon game? What the fuck

It's a little late now, but if you had the BC game on ABC, then you should have had Oregon on ESPN2.

ABC and the "ESPN Family of Networks" has been doing a pretty good job of making sure their games are on one of them, but they still do the "Regional coverage" as to which game you will get on ABC.

[ozzie]

The kid's game was up against the Miami/Clemson game (not to mention AU) this week, and I haven't even seen a highlight yet.

Either I severely over-estimated Clemson's defense, or under-estimated Jacory Harris and Miami's offense.

Anyone watch this one? (Besides the 2 plays Snoogans watched)

[Snoogans]

It's a little late now, but if you had the BC game on ABC, then you should have had Oregon on ESPN2.

ABC and the "ESPN Family of Networks" has been doing a pretty good job of making sure their games are on one of them, but they still do the "Regional coverage" as to which game you will get on ABC.

i had penn state on espn, ND on ABC and some other shit was on ESPN 2. I didnt have the oregon game at all

[ozzie]

i had penn state on espn, ND on ABC and some other shit was on ESPN 2. I didnt have the oregon game at all

Weird. It's not like ESPN2 does regional programming. It should have been one of those two everywhere.

Watching the Clemson replay now... but already cheated and saw that they end up with six turnovers. yeah, that'll do it.

And I see where Oregon has already jumped Boise in the coaches poll. I guess the Harris doesn't come out until next week, along with the first BCS poll. I swear it has always come out the day after the Texas/OU game the first week in October.

And there's definitely some SEC bias in the voting that kept LSU @ #9 and UF only dropping to #12.

LSU looked horrible yesterday. That Tennessee team they should have lost to has a terrible defense, and LSU still couldn't put them away, even at home.

And for those that didn't watch the bammer game last night, if UF had any sort of redzone or goal line offense, that's a much different game.

First possession, 4th and goat at the 2, Int for a touchback.
Third possession, Int to give bammer the ball on the UF 18.
Have to settle for a FG on last possession of 1st half.
First possession of 2nd half, 1st and goal from the Bammer 5... settle for FG
Next possession... pick 6 for Bama
Next... 2nd and goal from the bammer 1... fumble.
Next... 4th and 8 from the bammer 19... turn over on downs.

They're celebrating their 31 - 6 "domination" of the gaytors, but it wasn't quite what the final score showed.

McElroy ended up with a whopping 84 yards passing. Ingram ran for 47 yds.

The Auburn rivals board has already been hit with speculation on what the Gators could have done if they had Cam instead of Brantley.

[ozzie]

Les Miles is mentally unstable... PROOF

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[JimBeam]

Weird. It's not like ESPN2 does regional programming. It should have been one of those two everywhere.

Watching the Clemson replay now... but already cheated and saw that they end up with six turnovers. yeah, that'll do it.

And I see where Oregon has already jumped Boise in the coaches poll. I guess the Harris doesn't come out until next week, along with the first BCS poll. I swear it has always come out the day after the Texas/OU game the first week in October.

And there's definitely some SEC bias in the voting that kept LSU @ #9 and UF only dropping to #12.

LSU looked horrible yesterday. That Tennessee team they should have lost to has a terrible defense, and LSU still couldn't put them away, even at home.

And for those that didn't watch the bammer game last night, if UF had any sort of redzone or goal line offense, that's a much different game.

First possession, 4th and goat at the 2, Int for a touchback.
Third possession, Int to give bammer the ball on the UF 18.
Have to settle for a FG on last possession of 1st half.
First possession of 2nd half, 1st and goal from the Bammer 5... settle for FG
Next possession... pick 6 for Bama
Next... 2nd and goal from the bammer 1... fumble.
Next... 4th and 8 from the bammer 19... turn over on downs.

They're celebrating their 31 - 6 "domination" of the gaytors, but it wasn't quite what the final score showed.

McElroy ended up with a whopping 84 yards passing. Ingram ran for 47 yds.

The Auburn rivals board has already been hit with speculation on what the Gators could have done if they had Cam instead of Brantley.

You act like the Alabama defense didn't force any of those turnovers.

Go back and read how they won some of their games when they won the title in '92.

[ozzie]

You act like the Alabama defense didn't force any of those turnovers.

Go back and read how they won some of their games when they won the title in '92.

I watched almost every bammer game in '92. I don't have to read about them. And that team HAD to go undefeated to finally reach #2, and luck into the fact that they could face a heavily favored Miami (-8.5) team head-to-head in the Sugar Bowl (pre-BCS, that wasn't guaranteed). They weren't getting anywhere close to this media love back then.

They were winning ugly, and the voters gave them no respect. I don't see where that compares at all to the crimson love fest now.

Unfortunately, under this bullshit system, the coaches vote is 1/3 of the formula for deciding the #1 and #2 teams that get to play for the championship.

How many of these "coaches" (or, for most schools, SID's) actually watched the game, vs. how many woke up and checked the final score?

Same Q for the Harris poll voters.

The headlines this morning, and the message board diatribe was all about their "dominating" win over the "highly ranked gators", based on the final score. Hell, the ESPN CF homepage had already handed them the conference this morning, saying basically that it was a "one team conference".

In no way was I saying that UF woulda, coulda or shoulda won, but they shot themselves in the foot in almost every scoring opportunity. They had some long sustained drives all night, but shit the bed at the goal line. They were never "shut down", or "dominated" in that game, but looking at a 31 - 6 final, you'd never know that.

[JimBeam]

OK but a beating goes both ways.

Even if UF's offense wasn't great, which again I'm sure Alabama's defense had some say in, their defense was beat by a team that didn't need either star RB to have a hug game and had a QB w/ very pedestrian numbers ( THAT was the tie to '92 when Jay Barker wasn't throwing for 300 yards and they were beating teams ).

What are the headlines supposed to reference when the #1 team beats another top 10 team ? Auburn's win against ULM ?

[Snoogans]

OK but a beating goes both ways.

Even if UF's offense wasn't great, which again I'm sure Alabama's defense had some say in, their defense was beat by a team that didn't need either star RB to have a hug game and had a QB w/ very pedestrian numbers ( THAT was the tie to '92 when Jay Barker wasn't throwing for 300 yards and they were beating teams ).

What are the headlines supposed to reference when the #1 team beats another top 10 team ? Auburn's win against ULM ?

maybe how Oregon looks like the actual best team

[ozzie]

You'd have to live amongst these people to really understand.

It's not that bammer news is on the front page. We're used to that. (AU over Clemson in OT was an afterthought compared to Mark Ingram "running all over" a stiff Duke defense)

But the local and national stories I've seen today imply that they won the conference championship game last night, and, therefore, based on recent SEC dominance in BCS title games, they're a lock to win it all no matter who they would face.

"Soundly" beating the highly ranked gators in such a "dominating" manner, means that this conference race is over. Crown 'em.

Even Herbsteit crab walked on his SEC West prediction last night, now that his pick to win the conference (UF) lost they way they did.

Wait, wasn't he calling a game last night? Oh yeah, that final score sure looked convincing.

AU gets to play them heads up, so I'm not as outraged as if this was some over hyped team from another conference. But the crimson cock suckling from the media between now and then will be unbearable.

In a way, I really hope they are undefeated going into the Iron Bowl. If AU can pull off a win, maybe they wouldn't get screwed like 2004. But the other side of me can't wait for this team to be exposed.

[JimBeam]

This is from the Sports Illustrated article about Boise St ( http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1174896/1/index.htm ) and shows why some idiots shouldn't have a vote :

DiPrimio is one of 60 voters in the AP's weekly college football poll, which had come out earlier that day. After the Broncos' win over Virginia Tech, eight voters had put them at the top of their ballots. When the Hokies lost to I-AA James Madison the following week, seven of those voters abandoned Boise. DiPrimio stuck with the Broncos, resulting in a torrent of phone calls, e-mails and tweets—more than 200 total, most of them critical.

"I got blitzed," says DiPrimio, who has no regrets. In a column assuring readers that, despite his unpopularity in Alabama and Ohio, he retained the affection of his faithful sheltie, Coco, DiPrimio made his case: "Boise State is 51--4 over the last four years, made everybody's preseason Top 5 list, has earned eight straight bowl bids, has beaten Oregon twice and Oklahoma once in recent years, and returns 20 of 22 starters from a 14--0 Fiesta Bowl--winning team. That makes it, by far, the most experienced team in America."

So he's using the fact that Boise St has been to 8 straight bowl games and that they have beaten Oklahoma " in recent years " to rank them #1 this year.

I guess he's forgetting that in this 4 year unforgettable run they lost to a Hawaii team in '07 that was essentially in their shoes ( undefeated WAC team w/ dreams of playing for it all ) that got rolled by Georgia in the Suagr Bowl.

Both Cal and AZ have also beaten Oregon twice in the last few years so should we vote them #1 also ?

[JimBeam]

maybe how Oregon looks like the actual best team

Scoring 50+ points a game against teams like New Mexico, Tenn and Portland St weighs more on a resume than wins against Penn St, Arkansas and UF ?

[Snoogans]

Scoring 50+ points a game against teams like New Mexico, Tenn and Portland St weighs more on a resume than wins against Penn St, Arkansas and UF ?

nice to see you conveniently left out how they scored 50+ against the number 9 team in the country too

[JimBeam]

Yeah their 1st win against a ranked team ( compared to 3 by Alabama ) that itself had a win against Sacramento St ( which had wins against Western Oregon and Weber St ).

Also 2 wins over non-BCS conference teams one of those from the Big Sky.

Sure Alabama's played a non-BCS team, San Jose St, but not quite Portland St ( w/ wins against UC-Davis and Idaho St ).

Sure Oregon's looked great but at this point it seems like Boise St's schedule and wins are just as impressive if not better.

Comparing Oregon to Alabama right now is just plain apples to oranges.

[Snoogans]

Yeah their 1st win against a ranked team ( compared to 3 by Alabama ) that itself had a win against Sacramento St ( which had wins against Western Oregon and Weber St ).

Also 2 wins over non-BCS conference teams one of those from the Big Sky.

Sure Alabama's played a non-BCS team, San Jose St, but not quite Portland St ( w/ wins against UC-Davis and Idaho St ).

Sure Oregon's looked great but at this point it seems like Boise St's schedule and wins are just as impressive if not better.

Comparing Oregon to Alabama right now is just plain apples to oranges.

LaMichael James pisses on Ingram and Richardson, makes them look like Joe Martinek

[JimBeam]

Also keep in mind while you're impressed with what Oregon's doing offensively that they gave up more points ( 31 ) in a half against Stanford than Alabama's given up in total ( 29 ) against the 3 ranked teams they've played.

Alabama's held 2 of those teams to less than a TD in their game.

[JimBeam]

Where's SP hiding ? He's not embarassed by yet another loss from UGA I hope.

Man I don't know what's happening with that team.

Have they done really shitty in recruiting the last few years ?

The way they're playing it's like they just don't have talent.

[Snoogans]

i hope you realize im just sayin things to get you going

[JimBeam]

I mean I don't really care about Alabama ( I actually kinda hate Saban ) but I can respect what they're doing.

I just find it amusing when the fan of the second fiddle team, say Auburn, tries to underscore what the top dog team, Alabama, is doing.

Granted being a ND fan I haven't had a chance to be either in a long time.

Plus I love looking at the stats and comparing them.

[ozzie]

Have they done really shitty in recruiting the last few years ?

The way they're playing it's like they just don't have talent.

Rivals rankings of UGA's classes:

2010 - #15
2009 - #6
2008 - #7
2007 - #9
2006 - #4
2005 - #10

No lack of "projected" talent there. I know there's been many players that I'd wished AU could have gotten.

We were disappointed as hell in over losing Caleb King to them in '07. Not saying he lost the Colorado game, but his fumble was "un-timely" to put it nicely. But Washaun Ealey has had trouble holding onto the ball too (MSU game).

Zach Mettenberger was looking to be in the race to be their starting QB this year, but got into a little trouble and was eventually kicked off the team. (Details are sketchy) Rumor is that he may land at LSU, who I'm sure would welcome him with open arms right now... but I digress.

I don't know much about Colorado, but I can say that a lot of teams will lose to USCe, Arky and MSU this year. Those aren't "embarrassing" losses, although I'm sure they were games that most UGA fans thought they should win.

QB play hasn't been stellar, but there's not many options behind Aaron Murray. Getting A.J. Green back will help, no doubt. I was in and out watching the CU game, but it looked like he played well in his first game back.

I still think their next 3 are winnable, and even in a "down year" in 2006, Richt brought a 6-4 (3-4 SEC) team into Auburn and whooped a #5 ranked AU team on a miserable Saturday morning. History shows that Richt isn't a coach that will let his team give up after a few losses... but he's going to have to pull it together soon. The dawg nation is getting restless.

As seen on the side of an old a barn in GA today...

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l4/OSDawg/UGABarnSign20102.jpg

[SP1!]

Where's SP hiding ? He's not embarassed by yet another loss from UGA I hope.

Man I don't know what's happening with that team.

Have they done really shitty in recruiting the last few years ?

The way they're playing it's like they just don't have talent.
The talent is there, the coaching has been shit the past few years, its getting really pathetic when my GF can sit on the couch and tell you what play is coming next on offense then ask why is nobody covering those guys on defense. Its totally inexcusable and richt's loyalty to shitty coaches is going to get him fired.

And I wasnt really hiding I have been building a concrete porch and deck so I had to take advantage of cool weather, the team being shitty just gave me a nice excuse to ignore them for a while.

Rivals rankings of UGA's classes:

2010 - #15
2009 - #6
2008 - #7
2007 - #9
2006 - #4
2005 - #10

No lack of "projected" talent there. I know there's been many players that I'd wished AU could have gotten.

We were disappointed as hell in over losing Caleb King to them in '07. Not saying he lost the Colorado game, but his fumble was "un-timely" to put it nicely. But Washaun Ealey has had trouble holding onto the ball too (MSU game).

Zach Mettenberger was looking to be in the race to be their starting QB this year, but got into a little trouble and was eventually kicked off the team. (Details are sketchy) Rumor is that he may land at LSU, who I'm sure would welcome him with open arms right now... but I digress.

I don't know much about Colorado, but I can say that a lot of teams will lose to USCe, Arky and MSU this year. Those aren't "embarrassing" losses, although I'm sure they were games that most UGA fans thought they should win.

QB play hasn't been stellar, but there's not many options behind Aaron Murray. Getting A.J. Green back will help, no doubt. I was in and out watching the CU game, but it looked like he played well in his first game back.

I still think their next 3 are winnable, and even in a "down year" in 2006, Richt brought a 6-4 (3-4 SEC) team into Auburn and whooped a #5 ranked AU team on a miserable Saturday morning. History shows that Richt isn't a coach that will let his team give up after a few losses... but he's going to have to pull it together soon. The dawg nation is getting restless.
We should have rolled CU by 20, that team is not good at all as most fans of theirs admitted to us on other message boards, and Im sorry the SC and msu losses are embarrassing, they wont beat very many teams that are decent. The CU game was just pathetic, our O-line couldnt block a stiff breeze, and our defense still looks lost as hell, I dont know how many times it will take to finally learn that if you play 10-15 yards off the receiver they will just short pass the ball and get an easy 10 yards. The really sad part is that murray is a great QB with a really good arm but they never really let him show it off and instead run the ball 2 times for no gain, then they have to throw it which allows the defense to tee off on him. The Zach situation isnt alleged, he molested this girl and was trying to fuck her when someone stopped it and then he lied to richt, after he found out he was kicked off the team, which had to be awkward since his mom works at the school(in the athletic department I think). And of course LSU would welcome him, rape is not an arrestable offense on the LSU campus from what I have heard!

Richt has know over stayed his welcome and if he finishes the season at 3-9 or 4-8 then he will most likely be fired since he had finally fired willie after last years shit storm, they wanted bobo gone as well but he wouldnt budge, his loyalty is costing him his cushy job. Rumors are going around that some high dollar alumni were talking to harbaugh about how he would like to coach at UGA, makes sense, he plays a different style of football out there than the pac 10 is used to which is why hes had so much success so soon.

Over all, its just sad that last year wasnt the bottom of the barrel, I thought having that shitty of a season and a ginger QB was the lowest, now we realize there is a whole new level of suck we havent seen since ray goff was here.

[ozzie]

I mean I don't really care about Alabama ( I actually kinda hate Saban ) but I can respect what they're doing.

I just find it amusing when the fan of the second fiddle team, say Auburn, tries to underscore what the top dog team, Alabama, is doing.

Granted being a ND fan I haven't had a chance to be either in a long time.

Plus I love looking at the stats and comparing them.

I've got a stat you can look up... see if you can find out how many schools went undefeated (or with one loss, for that matter) in the SEC, but didn't play for (or were voted, pre-bcs) the national championship.

There's a reason that I am always concerned about national media perception. When it comes down to it, college football is a fucking "beauty pagent", where you have to impress judges... as ridiculous as that sounds in sports.

After all this hype, if anyone other than bama wins the SEC this year, it'll either be perceived that it was a "down year", or a fluke, and may not finish in the top 2.

There's too many undefeated teams from other conferences not to be concerned that it could happen again.

And, NO, I'm not here predicting that it will be Auburn, but right now they are among a few (with LSU and South Carolina, or whoever ends up winning the east) that still have a shot at winning the SEC, and that team would need to influence some voters in order to jump possible undefeated teams from other conferences.

Chances are, in order for that to happen, they would have to have beaten your "respected" tide team, so maybe that would be enough.

The last 4 title games (including a 2 loss LSU team, and two one loss Florida teams) show that the SEC champ should have a chance to play for the title, but there's no guarantee.

I've been on here through good years (beating bama six years in a row from '02 - '07) and bad (losing 36 - 0 in '08). There's been plenty of opportunities to routinely "underscore" that school if that was my agenda. I fully recognize that they haven't lost a regular season game since '07 (at Auburn), and that's no small feat.

It's not this bama team that aggrevates me, it's the lack of a playoff, and the fact that you still need "votes" in order to play for a title. If there were a playoff, I wouldn't care less where anyone was "ranked", or what the hell the ESPN "experts" thought.

And, yeah, I went to school at Auburn. I'm stuck with them... "second fiddle" or not (I hear a lot worse on a daily basis). It'd probably be a lot easier to jump on a popular bandwagon, or decide to root for a team with a more glorious football history, but I keep going back.

Honestly, the only reason I still bother with this thread and this site is that it's usually refreshing to talk to people outside of the southeast about "the rest" of the college football world, that no one around here seems to recognize even exists, but it's looking more and more like even people outside this area are ready to crown this team already.

[ozzie]

The Zach situation isnt alleged, he molested this girl and was trying to fuck her when someone stopped it and then he lied to richt, after he found out he was kicked off the team, which had to be awkward since his mom works at the school(in the athletic department I think). And of course LSU would welcome him, rape is not an arrestable offense on the LSU campus from what I have heard!

I just said that the details about what exactly happened were "sketchy".

It came out a couple weeks ago that LSU was looking at him, and the coonass LSU fan who works for me (and who now hates Miles and Jefferson) was excited that there could be hope for next year, and was asking about him, and why he was available.

We tried looking it up, and found it odd that he was just suspended at first, and then a few weeks later kicked off the team. We found where it was reported that he had lied about what happened, but it wasn't clear what the charges were, or if any new findings came out later to make Richt change his mind about keeping him on the team.

[JimBeam]

Any thoughts on that SI/Boise St article I posted ?

I wanted to write that columnist and state my case to him but I think he's getting so much email he wouldn't even bother reading it or replying.

He's trying to be like that writer from AZ ( I think ) that had voted Alabama #1 for the entire '92 season.

That way if Boise St goes undefeated at the end of the season, and whether or not they play for the title, he can pull the " I told you so " gimmick.

The problem w/ that is he's sacraficing his integrity to try and prove a point.

There's no way any logical person can think that Boise St is better than Alabama right now.

I think this guy's bit is also that he has to keep Boise St in the top 2, even if he doesn't think they belong there. because that's the only shot they'd have at getting the points they need.

[ozzie]

Saban never fails to deliver. He's been insulting the Bama beat writers and their fans since day one in Tuscaloosa, and he's at it again.

Saban's Weekly Press Conference Audio after the UF game on WJOX (http://www.joxfm.com/goout.asp?u=http://images.radcity.net/5018/4505045.mp3)

At the 6:33 mark, he's asked about the whole "agents" thing by a bama beat writer.

His response:

"Yeah... the agents. I'm not going to comment on coaches that do things that they, um, have been accused of doing. I don't really know anything about this. I haven't thought about it. It's not important to me. I'm worried about South Carolina. So if you want to talk about that, we'll talk about that. But I'm not really going to talk about this anymore. (awkward pause shutting down any follow up Q by the reporter) Is that South Carolina? I guess I must stutter. Do I stutter? I'm not very clear on how I articulate. Maybe I need to go back to West Virginia and get some more hillbilly slang, and maybe everybody can understand a little better".

He continues to insult their reporters and the Bama nation, and yet they worship this guy.

[disneyspy]

i cant believe #1 alabama is takin an ass whippin

[disneyspy]

i forgot to put on my michigan football hat,the second i did they scored,only 14 down now,c'mon blue

[spoon]

i cant believe #1 alabama is takin an ass whippin

Not really an ass whoopin any longer. In fact, they are looking about ready to roll...a gee gee gee gee!

[spoon]

did u just put on ur michigan state hat? :lol:

[disneyspy]

the gamecocks are puttin it to bama

aghee ghee ghee

[Snacks]

so glad Bama lost. Fuck Saban and the BCS but we all know they probably wont even fall past 4 or 5 and I wouldnt be surprised if they only drop to 3. Bama with 1 loss will still get a shot at a national title even before tcu or boise with no loses. And that is all the proof people need as to why the bcs and college football in general sucks balls. Get a fucking playoff.

[TheGameHHH]

go irish and wvu!!!!!!!!!

[JimBeam]

so glad Bama lost. Fuck Saban and the BCS but we all know they probably wont even fall past 4 or 5 and I wouldnt be surprised if they only drop to 3. Bama with 1 loss will still get a shot at a national title even before tcu or boise with no loses. And that is all the proof people need as to why the bcs and college football in general sucks balls. Get a fucking playoff.

Yeah because beating Top 10 teams in consecutive weeks and then losing to a Top 20 team the next week really isn't like rolling through the WAC/MWC.

Go ahead and drop Alabama behind Boise St and TCU, which I think they can/should do for now, but don't think it'll be outrageous that they get back in the top 2 after beating LSU, Auburn and the SEC East champ in the conference title game.

[joeyballsack]

Why does Ohio State never get mentioned when it comes to cupcake schedules ?

They could move to #1 this week and only have a win over a weak Miami team to brag about.

[Snacks]

Why does Ohio State never get mentioned when it comes to cupcake schedules ?

They could move to #1 this week and only have a win over a weak Miami team to brag about.

I agree the big 10 has been weak for years now but the BCS decided which conferences got automatic bids and which conferences were best. The problem with the automatic bid is every year a team from the auto bid conferences arent always going to be the best. So why not create a playoff system like every other sport as well as football in every other league does?

[JimBeam]

There's no way that Alabama should've dropped as far as they did.

There's also no way Nebraska or Oklahoma should've jumped them because neither of those teams has even 1 big win as I see it let alone 2.

I will say that Alabama's schedule has taken a bit of a hit with both UF and Penn St getting a 2nd loss ( although UF's losses were to unbeaten top 15 teams ).

I think Alabama's being punished too much for a loss and not getting enough credit for its wins.

[Snoogans]

There's no way that Alabama should've dropped as far as they did.

There's also no way Nebraska or Oklahoma should've jumped them because neither of those teams has even 1 big win as I see it let alone 2.

I will say that Alabama's schedule has taken a bit of a hit with both UF and Penn St getting a 2nd loss ( although UF's losses were to unbeaten top 15 teams ).

I think Alabama's being punished too much for a loss and not getting enough credit for its wins.

i think alot has to do with them also barely pulling it out last week. 2 straight sub par games is what dropped them

[JimBeam]

Yeah but if you look at the wins, eeked by or not, they've had they're better than almost anything anybody else has done.

Alabama's signature wins were Penn St ( no longer ), Ark and UF.

Here's what I see as the signature wins of the teams ahead of Alabama :

Oh St - Miami ( just destroyed by FSU )
Oregon - Stanford
Boise St - Oregon St ( their credit is having lost to 2 Top 5 teams )
TCU - Oregon St ( again their credit is having lost to 2 Top 5 teams )
Nebraska - Absolutely nobody
Oklahoma - FSU and Texas ( not so much anymore )
Auburn - South Carolina

Just below Alabama is :

LSU - WVU and UF

None of those wins was bigger than what Alabama has done so far.

But I know it will all play out because the Big 12 and SEC will sort themselves out so there's no reason for any outcry other than it doesn't seem to make sense.

[JimBeam]

On the subject of schedules it made me think about Notre Dame.

While I do take some solace in the fact that ND's losses are to teams with a combined record of 16-2 I know their wins are against teams that are awful.

The rest of their schedule with the exception of Utah and maybe USC is a joke.

But I guess it's still a building season.

[Snoogans]

im not sayin i agree or disagree. Im just sayin i think thats why bama fell so far

[Dudeman]

Yeah but if you look at the wins, eeked by or not, they've had they're better than almost anything anybody else has done.

Alabama's signature wins were Penn St ( no longer ), Ark and UF.

Here's what I see as the signature wins of the teams ahead of Alabama :

Oh St - Miami ( just destroyed by FSU )
Oregon - Stanford
Boise St - Oregon St ( their credit is having lost to 2 Top 5 teams )
TCU - Oregon St ( again their credit is having lost to 2 Top 5 teams )
Nebraska - Absolutely nobody
Oklahoma - FSU and Texas ( not so much anymore )
Auburn - South Carolina

Just below Alabama is :

LSU - WVU and UF

None of those wins was bigger than what Alabama has done so far.

But I know it will all play out because the Big 12 and SEC will sort themselves out so there's no reason for any outcry other than it doesn't seem to make sense.

The problem with just looking at big wins is that part of the difficulty of a football season is playing every week. Teams with weak schedules (tcu, boise) have 2 big advantages: 1. they can put all their focus on the big game, whereas teams from the sec, pac10, big10 need to really prep for almost all of their games, and 2. those games against conference foes who arent considered big wins, but are very tough nonetheless, present big opportunities to lose- esp if you're looking ahead to the so-called big game. Look at USC when it was dominant in the mid 2000's- often they would lose a conference game against ore st, cal, stanford that would cost them a chance at the nat championship. If you put boise or tcu in the sec, pac10, etc, they might still win the conference, but they would have much more difficutly going undefeated.

[JimBeam]

Looking at the combined records of the teams' opponents only 2 of the 7 teams ranked ahead of Alabama have a winning record :

Oh St 13-19
Oregon 13-22
Boise St 13-15
TCU 15-20
Nebraska 10-15
Oklahoma 17-11
Auburn 17-16
Alabama 17-16

Oklahoma obviously has the best record but both Oh St and Oregon are terrible and that's w/ Oregon getting the boost of a 5-1 Stanford team in the mix.

[Snoogans]

I came up with my own personal top ten:

1 Rutgers (clearly)
2 Nevada
3 anyone but boise st
4 anyone but boise st
5 anyone but boise st
6 anyone but boise st
7 anyone but boise st
8 anyone but boise st
9 anyone but boise st
10 anyone but boise st

[Dudeman]

Looking at the combined records of the teams' opponents only 2 of the 7 teams ranked ahead of Alabama have a winning record :

Oh St 13-19
Oregon 13-22
Boise St 13-15
TCU 15-20
Nebraska 10-15
Oklahoma 17-11
Auburn 17-16
Alabama 17-16

Oklahoma obviously has the best record but both Oh St and Oregon are terrible and that's w/ Oregon getting the boost of a 5-1 Stanford team in the mix.

look at alabama's current 3 conference games vs. boise st's:

@ arkansas, florida, @ south carolina

@ new mexico st, toledo, @ san jose


There is no way to compare these teams just based on schedule or the opponents schedules. They dealing with very different schedules. Even the game against the one remaining good team left for boise (nevada) can't be really used as a measuring stick because boise gets to rest and relax for about 2 months against weak teams. The difficulty of the sec, pac10, etc is having to play every week.

[JimBeam]

Are yiou thinking I'm arguing for Boise St ?

I think we're agreeing.

My last few posts were about Alabama falling too far in my opinion.

[Snoogans]

Are yiou thinking I'm arguing for Boise St ?

I think we're agreeing.

My last few posts were about Alabama falling too far in my opinion.

no, i just wanted to post my top ten. And bring up my new found love for Nevada. Lets just hope it becomes permanent love after they beat Boise St

[JimBeam]

Snoogans, I was talking about Dudeman.

I was reading his posts as counter to mine when we're saying the same thing.

[ozzie]

I came up with my own personal top ten:

1 Rutgers (clearly)
2 Nevada
3 anyone but boise st
4 anyone but boise st
5 anyone but boise st
6 anyone but boise st
7 anyone but boise st
8 anyone but boise st
9 anyone but boise st
10 anyone but boise st

Just a head's up on what may affect the BCS poll when it's released this weekend:


LSU is the current #1 team on 3 of the 5 computer polls I've seen. (Wolfe ratings don't come out until this Sunday). Playing the mighty McNeese State might hurt them this week though.

Oklahoma is currently #1 in the Massey poll (which also has Missouri #5)

and... drumroll....

Boise State is currently #1 on Jeff Sagarin's poll


Below is a composite of the AP, Coaches, Harris and 5 of the 6 computer polls, sorted by the highest rank:

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3061/2010compositepoll1012.jpg

[ozzie]

Here's where Boise State is ranked in all of the released polls as of this week (vs Alabama, for comparison purposes):

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/7/2010boisevsalabama1012.jpg

If all of these computers have a "strength of schedule" factor, this should be as high as Boise will get until they play Nevada, or unless everyone ahead of them starts taking losses.

[CountryBob]

Just a head's up on what may affect the BCS poll when it's released this weekend:


LSU is the current #1 team on 3 of the 5 computer polls I've seen. (Wolfe ratings don't come out until this Sunday). Playing the mighty McNeese State might hurt them this week though.

Oklahoma is currently #1 in the Massey poll (which also has Missouri #5)

and... drumroll....

Boise State is currently #1 on Jeff Sagarin's poll


Below is a composite of the AP, Coaches, Harris and 5 of the 6 computer polls, sorted by the highest rank:

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3061/2010compositepoll1012.jpg

Damn you Hokies! If you would have not taken sleeping pills before the James Madison game - you would be sitting alot prettier right now...

[Snoogans]

i like mine better

[JimBeam]

Here's where Boise State is ranked in all of the released polls as of this week (vs Alabama, for comparison purposes):

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/7/2010boisevsalabama1012.jpg

If all of these computers have a "strength of schedule" factor, this should be as high as Boise will get until they play Nevada, or unless everyone ahead of them starts taking losses.

I don't see what the hell Sagarin and Massey are considering when they figure that Boise St is in ANY way 16 or 14 rankings ahead of Alabama.

[JimBeam]

PAC-10 divisions could hinge on California, Stanford compromise

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5677006

[epo]

Ohio State looks great.

[KnoxHarrington]

Wisconsin taking down Ohio State and Kentucky taking down South Carolina meant that two of the biggest asshole coaches in college football lost on the same night. Fucking love it.

And the way that South Carolina lost was fucking classic too. The Cocks are down by 3 with about 10 seconds to go. They have the ball on the UK 20. So any coach would decide to just kick the FG and go into OT, especially since they're on the road. Right? Not The Ol' Ball Coach. He has his QB gun it for the end zone...where it is promptly intercepted. Good night now.

That was a clear case of a coach deciding he was smarter than everyone else and getting a kick in the ass for it. Fucking love that.

[Snacks]

I love that Ohio State lost. They finally play a decent team but not at home and they get beat up. The Big 10 is garbage they prove that every year when they lose 5 of the 7 bowl games the conference teams go to. Well except last season.

Anyway this is great for Boise St. They will definitely be #1 in the bcs poll and #1 or 2 in every coaches, usa today espn etc polls.

I would love to see them ruin the party for the "big name" conferences and schools.

[SP1!]

A lot of upsets this weekend, glad visor boy lost as well.

What is really funny is that because of his stupidity, he may lose out on a SEC title game if UGA wins out(long shot I know) and they lose one more game, that would make the season just a little less harsh if it keeps SC out. Fuck spurrier.

Also rumors around UGA is that Richt took play calling away from our shitty O-Coord/QB coach, Mike Bobo and is not calling the game himself, in doing so he very well may have saved his own job. I love loyalty but if that costs you a job then you really should rethink that policy.

[KnoxHarrington]

I love that Ohio State lost. They finally play a decent team but not at home and they get beat up. The Big 10 is garbage they prove that every year when they lose 5 of the 7 bowl games the conference teams go to. Well except last season.

Anyway this is great for Boise St. They will definitely be #1 in the bcs poll and #1 or 2 in every coaches, usa today espn etc polls.

I would love to see them ruin the party for the "big name" conferences and schools.

The SEC East as a whole does seem really down this year. Looking at the Cocks' remaining SEC East schedule, they're at Vandy, which is pretty much a bye, have Tennessee coming in, and go to Florida. Tennessee is awful this year, and Florida is OK, but definitely not what they were in the Jesus Boy era. They also have Arkansas coming in, have a cupcake vs. Troy, and end the season at Clemson. So they did have a decent chance of running the table.

But Visor Boy thinks "Fuck it, just throw it deep." Typical Spurrier.

[ozzie]

442 yds rushing aginst the #6 ranked defense in the nation against the rush. (Previous avg. 83.57 yds per game given up)

Un-f'ing-real.

[Snacks]

442 yds rushing aginst the #6 ranked defense in the nation against the rush. (Previous avg. 83.57 yds per game given up)

Un-f'ing-real.

dont know who youre talking about could you let me know or should i look up box scores?

[ozzie]

dont know who youre talking about could you let me know or should i look up box scores?

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3433/2010lsuscorelg.jpg

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/7014/2010toomerslsuwin102310.jpg

[TheGameHHH]

Both Notre Dame and West Virginia looked pathetic today

[Snacks]

Notre Dame looks pathetic every day. I have always hated ND and never understood the respect and press they still get. They might be the most overrated college football program in the history of College Football. What have they done in the last 20 years? Nothing. All they have to offer is an overrated catholic college education, a speech from 80 years ago and a movie about a retard who was on the practice squad.

[SP1!]

That Kentucky game was going to scare me last night, I was glad the defense didnt go into prevent mode until the last 10 mins of the game, Willies old style would have went into prevent after they got up 24-3.

I loved hearing the announcers, "When you see a team that has 350 passing yards then you would think they would be dominating!" Uhhhh no, morons. Especially if you look up to see the other team has out rushed you by an almost 3-1 margin.

[SP1!]

442 yds rushing aginst the #6 ranked defense in the nation against the rush. (Previous avg. 83.57 yds per game given up)

Un-f'ing-real.

That doesnt really surprise me since its always hard to get the QB down unless you can afford to have a guy shadowing him and most college teams dont, its why florida was so good while teeblow was there.

And I dont see why people are saying chizik is a great coach, he has possibly the greatest running back in college at QB, if anyone will show the balls to step up and shadow him they will shut him down since he cant throw for shit. His passes look like dead, rigor mortise infected ducks going through the air.

[JimBeam]

I've always heard this guy was a tool but I've never really read anything by him that I could recall.

Boise State Broncos Can't Buck This Trend

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=5725597

I'm gonna call out this jackasses most ridiculous points.

Yes, we're talking about Auburn. The team that has 13 fewer wins over the past five seasons than Boise State.

Yeah because we should really decide this year's champion based on what happened over the last 5 years.

Not to mention that the 13 win differential might have a lot to do with the fact that Auburn played LSU ( 5 times ), Alabama ( 5 times ) and Florida ( 2 times ), winners of the last 4 national titles, in these 5 years. They went 6-6 in those games including handing Florida their only loss in the championship year of 2006.

Auburn went 23-17 in the SEC while going 19-4 in non-conference games over that stretch.

Yes, we're talking about Oregon. The same team Boise State punched out last season 19-8.

Last year huh ?

The Broncos are 6-0. They've won 20 straight games, the longest streak in the country. They've beaten two BCS automatic qualifiers -- 6th-ranked Virginia Tech and 24th-ranked Oregon State.

I like how he's still using the ranking at the time the teams played. Not mentioning that Va Tech is 23rd in the BCS standings and Or St isn't ranked at all.

Boise State is going to get seated at the kids' table again. The Broncos will go to some pointless bowl and beat somebody like they always do -- they've already bested Oklahoma and TCU in bowls like that

The historical argument again. Conveniently leaving out that Boise St lost to TCU, a non-qualifier, 2 years ago.

Boise State plays -- and beats -- whoever they throw at it. It thumped San Jose State 48-0. Wisconsin, which beat No. 1 Ohio State and No. 15 Iowa, only beat SJSU by 13, at home!

Boise State smashed Wyoming 51-6. Wyoming nearly beat Air Force and Air Force nearly beat Oklahoma. You're telling me Boise State couldn't beat OU? Oh, wait. It already did.

Unless of course if you throw UGA at them.

But good use of the ifs, buts and almosts argument.

The point he's missing is that Wisconsin beat 2 ranked teams. One of which was undefeated. Those wins alone count for more than any margin of victory Boise St had over San Jose St.

Boise State whipped Virginia Tech on the road. VT is undefeated in the ACC. Are you telling me Boise State wouldn't be carving up the ACC?

Whipped them huh ?

So if winning by 3 on a late TD is " whipping " then James Madison super-duper whipped Va Tech because they won by 5. They almost double whipped them I guess.

So according to his argument James Madison won by more points, is better than Boise St and should therefore play for the national title.

They've been to a bowl eight of the past nine seasons.

There are probably 20+ teams that have been to bowls for just as long if not longer.

Get rid of the SEC bias.

Let's use bias when facxtoring in a team's record over 5 years and their bowl attendance for 9 years but let's not use any bias for the conference that's won 4 consectutive championships, in blowout fashion, by 3 different teams.

Update the strength-of-schedule logarithms.

And he believes that this will help Boise St ? The fact that they haevn't played a team with less than 2 losses ?

Sorry to bog this thing down w/ that whole analysis but the article drove me crazy and I had to vent.

[Snacks]

I think Boise deserves a shot at a title. That being said I have always hated Rick Reilly. I dont know how ESPN gives him a place to write and talk his nonsense. I would love for one of the many athletes he shits on to one day just fuck him up.

[Jayw]

If Mizzou manages to beat Nebraska this saturday shit is going down. I am so pissed at myself I didn't go to the Oklahoma game. I just thought there was no fucking way we would ever beat OU before I graduate. Watching them get crushed by OU and texas every year had my shit on tilt.

With the extra conference championship game Mizzou would get if we run the table say hello to the title game.

[ozzie]

I just want to go on record, while my alma mater is currently ranked #1, as saying that the BCS/biased coaches-poll/computer driven system is STILL bullshit.

[ozzie]

Yeah... where's Reilly's article defending Missouri's right to be in the top two right now? Or Michigan State? Or TCU?

What the fuck has Boise done THIS YEAR that is more impressive than what those teams have done?

But, since he called out AU specifically in his article... allow me to retort.

ALL Auburn has done so far is beat 4 teams that are CURRENTLY ranked in the BCS top 25. Don't give me this shit about "where Va Tech was ranked pre-season".

#12 LSU (#6 when they played)
#19 Arkansas (#12 when they played)
#20 South Carolina (#12 when they played)
#21 Mississippi State (un-ranked, second week of the season)

All four STILL ranked, even with AU handing each of them a loss.

Boise's "signature win" was over Va Tech, which is CURRENTLY #23 in the bcs. Lower than any of the teams AU has beaten. Oregon State is currently un-ranked at 3 - 3.

Is Reilly really arguing that some magical "unbiased computer program" should take in this data, and spit out a result showing that right now Boise is the better team?

Don't get me wrong... I fucking HATE that my favorite sport has it's championship decided in such an embarrassing way.

Obviously the best way to decide which team is better is to play a fucking football game, and forget about all this other bullshit. And no matter what happens this year, I will still be screaming for a fucking playoff until it happens.

I don't know how USC dealt with it in '04, but I'm not sure how proud I would be if my team won a MNC while there were still undefeated teams left at the end of the year. I'd always feel like there was a big fat ASTERISK next to it.

[Jayw]

Ya I have to agree anyone still arguing for Boise state is just getting old. Especially if they are saying Auborn doesn't deserve #1 atm, which is just stupid.

At first I was on the Boise state bandwagon but what have they done lately, ran up the score on shitty teams and beat an overated VA tech team. Way to fucking go.

When teams are risking thier record every other week playing ranked or tough rival teams its just hard to compare that to a team like Boise state that isnt.

Go run up the score on some chumps on your gay blue field and stfu.

[JimBeam]

And why is the fact that Boise St only beat La Tech 49-20 not getting mentioned ?

Both Texas A&M and Idaho played La Tech and scored 48 points.

Southern Miss actually held La Tech to 12 points.

But hey let's give Boise St credit because they beat Oklahoma 4 years ago.

[JimBeam]

In USC's defense they've only lost 2 games late in the 4th quarter.

They're nowhere near the talent they've been in the past but let's not act like they are from the ACC.

[Tenbatsuzen]

And with that, Bill Stewart's career with West Virginia is rapidly coming to a close.

[SP1!]

People always talk about bsus wins but never about the shitty teams those wins come against, these are the same teams they gave uf/UGA/Bama/ou etc..... Shit for stomping then calling them cupcakes, he also forgets that people argued Boise should be ranked after their second good season then played their first really tough team they got spanked by 40 by an average UGA team.

[JimBeam]

People always talk about bsus wins but never about the shitty teams those wins come against, these are the same teams they gave uf/UGA/Bama/ou etc..... Shit for stomping then calling them cupcakes, he also forgets that people argued Boise should be ranked after their second good season then played their first really tough team they got spanked by 40 by an average UGA team.

And if I remember correctly that was the year that Hawaii beat Boise St, everybody wondered if an undefeated Hawaii team could/should be considered for a title shot, and that Hawaii team was pasted by that same UGA team.

That Hawaii team was as prolific offensively, if not more, than this Boise St team and given their fair shot took it in the ass.

[SP1!]

I think those two teams were one graduating class different but the result of a coached up team means a lot, if Boise played a schedule like an sec/big 10/PAC 10 they would not be undefeated. It will be interesting to see next year to see if Utah gets their asses handed to them or they win 10. If they only with 4-5 then all the "mid majors can compete with everyone week after week" argument will be proven to be bullshit.

Quality of opponent every week makes a huge difference and that can't be judged by playing high school teams every week.

[JimBeam]

I might've blended the years.

The bigger point is that an undefeated WAC team, that was scoring tons of points, was throttled by a team w/ nothing really to play for other than a Sugar Bowl win.

Trevor Madidge ( sp ?? ) was on 1st & 10 : College Football this morning and again was doing the " What if Alabama played in the WAC last year ? " argument which still makes no fucking sense.

I think what he was trying to say was would we think Alabama was the best team last year if they had done exactly what they did in the SEC but in the WAC.

The answer is a resounding no.

If they were in the WAC their wins wouldn't have been against teams that went on to play in BCS bowl games and/or were highly ranked in the BCS standings.

That idiot Skip Bayless was making Kellen Moore's case for the Heisman but mentioning that he's thrown 57 TDs and only 5 picks dating back to last season.

Again what the hell does last year have to do w/ this year ?

[sailor]

Trevor Madidge ( sp ?? ) was on 1st & 10 : College Football this morning and again was doing the " What if Alabama played in the WAC last year ? " argument which still makes no fucking sense.

I think what he was trying to say was would we think Alabama was the best team last year if they had done exactly what they did in the SEC but in the WAC.

The answer is a resounding no.

If they were in the WAC their wins wouldn't have been against teams that went on to play in BCS bowl games and/or were highly ranked in the BCS standings.

but, it would have been the exact same team with the exact same ability. surely if that Alabama team didn't end up #1 it's a flaw in the system?

[JimBeam]

Not at all because the champion is not the team w/ the most talent it's the one that's done the most to win.

In any year it's always about who you beat.

And last year Alabama beat amongst, many other teams, a great UF team that they would not have played if they were in the WAC.

If you had to say what team had the most talent last year you could argue that it was UF or USC and neither was the national champion.

[sailor]

i totally disagree with that. the goal of any system has to be the champ is the best team. the whole bcs is aimed at cutting thru strength of schedule, et al. to get to this bottom line.

[JimBeam]

So, to put it in other football terms, you think it'd be OK for a team to play all of it's game in the current NFC West and then go right to the Super Bowl ?

Without having to play any games against the best teams in other divisions ?

Your idea of a perfect world can't happen when you only play 12 games and there are 100+ teams.

In your world why don't we let the winners of the DII and DII teams play for the BCS title as well ?

Hey all they are doing is wining the games they have on their schedule right ?

How many times in ANY sport does the best team win ?

You think Texas or the Giants were the best teams in MLB this year ?

[SP1!]

i totally disagree with that. the goal of any system has to be the champ is the best team. the whole bcs is aimed at cutting thru strength of schedule, et al. to get to this bottom line.

The reason for that is to not allow big teams to get a lot of credit for beating up a team 50/60 to 3, while that score would be impressive against even a middle of the road major conference team, the beat down loses it's luster when it comes at the hands of a San Jose state. He'll even vandy could beat them by 20 and they are pretty bad.

Saying Boise even deserves a mention for a NCG with that schedule let's me know those people know jack shit about college football.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Reading some of the public statements ND has made regarding Declan Sullivan just makes me ill. Rutgers has done everything right in regards to Eric LeGrand, ND has done everything wrong.

"Hey! Let's use a kid's death due to our gross negligence to inspire our team to win!"

[ozzie]

And then, there were 5.

TCU @ Utah next week, so we'll be down to at most 4 remaining.

[JimBeam]

BCS countdown show had Jesse Palmer talking negatively about Auburn's 4 wins against BCS top 25 teams.

Oh they only won by 3 here, and only 7 here, etc ...

Asshole the difference is none of these other teams, w/ the exception maybe of Wisonsin, have beaten more than 2 BCS teams by any margin.

And he actually said " Southeastern Conference conference " once the fool.

I usually find myself agreeing w/ Craig James but he lost me in one big way today.

He has Terrell Pryor in his Heisman top 3. That's just unacceptable.

What was also bothering me was Fowler ( who I think is the best college football personality ) and Herbstreit are both saying that Boise St deserves a shot because they think that they can play w/ any team. I totally disagree.

There was also some talk the other day, not sure by who but somebody fairly well known, still trying to portray that nonsense argument that teams are scared to play Boise St.

From what I heard on another show Boise St's AD or somebody sent out a form letter of sorts to all teams saying they wanted to play them. Apparently that's not how the big kids do it. It takes more than that and Boise St has not even attempted to use the proper channels.

Once last thing. Boise St is getting renewed credit for the win against Va Tech since Va Tech has gone on a win streak in the worthless ACC. I keep hearing that " Hey Boise St went on the road and beat Va Tech. "

What's being left out is that James Madison went into Blacksburg and beat that team also.

You don't get to bolster your record/cause when you do something that an FCS team did a little better.

[epo]

I want to see Boise State play in the national title.

And after they get killed, I NEVER want to hear anything from their fans again.

[JimBeam]

I agree, to a point, but don't want to screw another team, that I believe has done more w/ their season, get shutout of a chance for a title.

The Boise St thing also reminds me of a few years ago when Oh St and Michigan were considered the 2 best teams at the end of the season and then had a shutout w/ Oh St winning.

Some argued that they should've rematched in the title game which I and almost anybody w/ sense disagreed with.

Both teams then play teams actually better than them ( Mich/USC and Oh St/UF ) and get destroyed.

So clearly they were not the 2 best teams in the country.

You put Boise St in a game against Auburn or Alabama and they lose, no doubt. I worry though that they could upset a team like Oregon though.

[Snacks]

Boise is the one who gets screwed. Enough with all this shit. Every team has a schedule and plays it some teams are ranked too high to begin with and arent as good as the tv people or you people think when rankings come out. Florida was top 10? Please they suck and boise would destroy them. If Boise is undefeated then they deserve a chance. Every opportunity but 1 they had to play a big boy in the last 5 years they have won.

You guys dont want people to bitch about boise not getting a show but you bitches havent stopped bitching about them getting a chance that they still havent gotten. Oregon vs Boise would be an excellent game. I would love to see them play anyone for the national championship like Auburn, Oregon, Utah etc. The big boys wont play them on their own field and they wont got to boise either. You cant fault a team for beating who is in front of them. College football is a joke when voting decided who is the best not playing on the field.

[JimBeam]

In your world TCU and Utah should get just as much respect as Boise St and they've played BCS teams on the road.

So your argument is that other teams aren't scared of TCU/Utah but are scared of Boise St ?

How ridiculous is that ?

Penn St travels to play the defending national champion and yet they're scared of Boise St ?

It's like getting into a fight w/ a girl like JSlob. Sure you could knock her out but what do you gain from it ?

[TheGameHHH]

I want to see Boise State play in the national title.

And after they get killed, I NEVER want to hear anything from their fans again.

I feel pretty much the exact same way, though I am rather passionate about them getting a shot to play for it.

[KnoxHarrington]

I feel pretty much the exact same way, though I am rather passionate about them getting a shot to play for it.

I think we see how this is going to play out now: obviously, it's lining up for Oregon/Auburn for the "National Title" (sic) if they both remain undefeated, but if one of those two teams loses 1 game, I think that matchup still happens.

It'll take both Auburn and Oregon losing games for Boise State or TCU to vault over them. But even if both Auburn and Oregon have 1 loss, it wouldn't shock me if some weirdness happens in the computer polls and keeps them at #1 and #2.

[ozzie]

It's coming earlier than usual this year, but I guess it's time for my annual "If I were in charge of the NCAA - How I would set up a Playoff Bracket (if the season ended today)" post:

Make all 11 conferences "Automatic Qualifiers", and be done with it already.

(Yeah, I know, that's extreme, but it will shut Errybody up finally! Win whatever conference you are in, and you're in the dance.)

Let in the next 5 highest ranked teams, with a limit of no more than 2 "At Large" teams per conference.

Seed them 1 - 16 based loosely on rank, with effort not to put two schools from the same conf in the same bracket.

If the season ended today, it would look something kinda like this:


http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/5701/ncaafootballplayoff2010.jpg

Flame away!

[JimBeam]

The thing that bothers me most about people who say that a playoff works in all other sports is that they don't realize the huge difference.

College football teams usually only get one shot at a team, either home or away, unless they get a rematch in a conference title game.

In basketball you get at least 2 ( home/away ) if not 3 ( in a conference tournament ).

Baseball you get 3 shots ( home or away ) in the regular season and possibly 1 or 2 more in a conference tournament.

You can easily judge who's more deserving of a title shot in a cut and dry way when you compare the results of 3 games.

How do you value a win/loss when teams play different schedules ?

You do it based on a strength of schedule and validity of wins.

So no even if there was a 16 team bracket I wouldn't say a current non-AQ should get an automatic shot because their still probably not as good as the runners-up in several other leagues.

[CountryBob]

Can we quit bringing up the fact that JMU beat the Hokies! I am still seeing my psych about that woeful day!:down:

[JimBeam]

Unfortunately no because it'll probably be, and should be, a major factor in dismissing Boise St's win against Va Tech.

Actually Va Tech will probably lose at least 1 or 2 more games and that, coupled w/ the JMU loss, will torpedo Boise St.

Or St pooping the bed in their own right will also serve that purpose.

In a perfect world both Va Tech and Or St will have more losses and that'll soil Boise St's already ridiculous schedule.

A part of me does want to see an Alabama play Boise St and completely humiliate them.

Although it might not happen to the degree it should because Saban would call of the dogs at some point.

[SP1!]

I want to see Boise State play in the national title.

And after they get killed, I NEVER want to hear anything from their fans again.
Yeah even as average as I think auburn is, they would even kill this bsu team

Boise is the one who gets screwed. Enough with all this shit. Every team has a schedule and plays it some teams are ranked too high to begin with and arent as good as the tv people or you people think when rankings come out. Florida was top 10? Please they suck and boise would destroy them. If Boise is undefeated then they deserve a chance. Every opportunity but 1 they had to play a big boy in the last 5 years they have won.

You guys dont want people to bitch about boise not getting a show but you bitches havent stopped bitching about them getting a chance that they still havent gotten. Oregon vs Boise would be an excellent game. I would love to see them play anyone for the national championship like Auburn, Oregon, Utah etc. The big boys wont play them on their own field and they wont got to boise either. You cant fault a team for beating who is in front of them. College football is a joke when voting decided who is the best not playing on the field.
No, we havent stopped bitching about them not deserving a shot for a NCG, all those teams they have beaten every week are the same teams the sec/pac 10/big 10/big 12 get shit for scheduling homecoming weekends so they can slaughter them. Fact remains BSU has the offers to play but no team will play them for $1 million if it means they could lose, most teams have offered $250k-$400k, that is plenty to pay for their travel to a game, nebraska has offered this scenario but were turned down. I dont understand why, quit asking for the big payout take the traveling expenses, if you win then you have a shot but they have all their shit teams in conference and then they have one or two shittier teams besides them. BSU is playing the game of propaganda perfectly and the simpletons are eating it up.

BSU wants to get into a NCG?
Step 1: Raise their academics above community college level
Step 2: Join a real conference

Step 2 doesnt happen until they get past step 1 and get academics up to at least SEC levels.

I feel pretty much the exact same way, though I am rather passionate about them getting a shot to play for it.
I will champion it, when they deserve it, they dont right now.

I think we see how this is going to play out now: obviously, it's lining up for Oregon/Auburn for the "National Title" (sic) if they both remain undefeated, but if one of those two teams loses 1 game, I think that matchup still happens.

It'll take both Auburn and Oregon losing games for Boise State or TCU to vault over them. But even if both Auburn and Oregon have 1 loss, it wouldn't shock me if some weirdness happens in the computer polls and keeps them at #1 and #2.
I think if oregon wins out they will go, and the auburn/bama winner is going to the NCG no matter what as long as that winner wins the SEC championship game. BSU has no shot since they are already sliding down to 6th or 7th in the computer polls, TCU has a closer shot but SOS may kill them as well.

[ozzie]

If AU loses to anyone, even if their only loss is to a top 5 ranked bama team on the road, I'm afraid that they're out of contention.

If bama only has one loss, they win the West, and it's over for AU. (And I totally agree that you should not be playing for a title if you don't even win your own division... let alone your conference).

If bama loses to either LSU or MSU, and if AU can get by UGA, then AU would clinch the SEC West, and play in Atlanta even with a loss to bama.

It would get interesting then comparing a one loss AU team to the other one loss teams... (and to likely undefeated Boise and the TCU/Utah winner) but I'm afraid AU would drop too far after losing to a 2-loss bama team (under this scenario), and it's looks like South Carolina is in the driver's seat in the East, so beating them again wouldn't mean much. (Nor would beating a 3-loss Florida team).

A one-loss Oregon might have just as much trouble getting back in, especially if you still have Oklahoma, Alabama, Nebraska, Wisconsin, etc., also moving up with only one loss.

[El Mudo]

If AU loses to anyone, even if their only loss is to a top 5 ranked bama team on the road, I'm afraid that they're out of contention.

If bama only has one loss, they win the West, and it's over for AU. (And I totally agree that you should not be playing for a title if you don't even win your own division... let alone your conference).

If bama loses to either LSU or MSU, and if AU can get by UGA, then AU would clinch the SEC West, and play in Atlanta even with a loss to bama.

It would get interesting then comparing a one loss AU team to the other one loss teams... (and to likely undefeated Boise and the TCU/Utah winner) but I'm afraid AU would drop too far after losing to a 2-loss bama team (under this scenario), and it's looks like South Carolina is in the driver's seat in the East, so beating them again wouldn't mean much. (Nor would beating a 3-loss Florida team).

A one-loss Oregon might have just as much trouble getting back in, especially if you still have Oklahoma, Alabama, Nebraska, Wisconsin, etc., also moving up with only one loss.


More to the point, if you're gonna lose, lose in September. Not in November.

Also, my team is a fraud. The only two halfway decent teams they've played (West Virginia and Clemson) have slaughtered them. I think Jacory Harris is out this week for Miami, but I still don't see them winning that game. They probably beat Virginia, but they'll get poleaxed by NC State and Florida State. But hey, ending up 7-5 is a hell of a lot better than 2-10. I'll take it.

[JimBeam]

One of the things they said that could really help TCU and might be the only thing that could stop a 1 loss Alabama team from jumping them is if Baylor continues to win. If Baylor wins the Big 12 that's a huge boost for TCU's schedule. That coupled with an undefeated season and possibly higher rankings in the human polls could hold off Alabama.

I'm not sure I agree with it but it'd be much easier to take than Boise St that for some reason gets all the love when TCU/Utah don't.

I think Alabama really has to hope that South Carolina wins the East. I'm not sure they'll get enough of a boost, providing they beat Auburn, by beating a 3 loss UF team in the SEC title game.

Herbstreit keeps going on about how Boise St is doing what they need to do by winning games.

But again if it's just about winning games, and not who you play, then lets get rid of the seperation between FBS and FCS teams and let Grand Valley St and Montana St play for the BCS national title.

[Snacks]

More to the point, if you're gonna lose, lose in September. Not in November.

Also, my team is a fraud. The only two halfway decent teams they've played (West Virginia and Clemson) have slaughtered them. I think Jacory Harris is out this week for Miami, but I still don't see them winning that game. They probably beat Virginia, but they'll get poleaxed by NC State and Florida State. But hey, ending up 7-5 is a hell of a lot better than 2-10. I'll take it.

and there is another fraud in the system. you are mush better off losing in Sept/Oct and then win out because the polling will give you a boost every week after that lose. But if you lose the last week of the season your done? Another reason this is the dumbest system for any and all sports. Oregon who has looked like the best team all year would have no shot but Bama who lost earlier would even thought they both have 1 lose? Stupidity.

And people want to say this is a great way to choose a champion and an even better way to exclude teams! Morons!

[SP1!]

One of the things they said that could really help TCU and might be the only thing that could stop a 1 loss Alabama team from jumping them is if Baylor continues to win. If Baylor wins the Big 12 that's a huge boost for TCU's schedule. That coupled with an undefeated season and possibly higher rankings in the human polls could hold off Alabama.

I'm not sure I agree with it but it'd be much easier to take than Boise St that for some reason gets all the love when TCU/Utah don't.

I think Alabama really has to hope that South Carolina wins the East. I'm not sure they'll get enough of a boost, providing they beat Auburn, by beating a 3 loss UF team in the SEC title game.

Herbstreit keeps going on about how Boise St is doing what they need to do by winning games.

But again if it's just about winning games, and not who you play, then lets get rid of the seperation between FBS and FCS teams and let Grand Valley St and Montana St play for the BCS national title.
The baylor win only looks impressive if all the big 12 teams keep winning and they win the championship game, they all have 1 loss right now and if they all finish with 2 or more losses then its less helpful.

Regardless I think bama/au go into that game with the same records and who ever wins goes to the NCG no matter who they play in the SECCG.

[Snoogans]

anyone else watchin this game on ESPN 2?

[Earlshog]

anyone else watchin this game on ESPN 2?

yup good game, well except for the part where USF just took the lead

[ozzie]

anyone else watchin this game on ESPN 2?

Yep

Rutgers should have a helluva team coming back the next couple of years.

But watching Sanu is like watching that old Bugs Bunny playing baseball cartoon...

"Mohamed Sanu with the catch
Run by Mohamed Sanu
Great throw by Mohamed Sanu
First base, Mohamed Sanu
Pitching, Mohamed Sanu
Goalie, Mohamed Sanu
Hole in One by Mohamed Sanu..."

You'd think by now South Florida would find and cover #6 on every play.

[Snoogans]

Yep

Rutgers should have a helluva team coming back the next couple of years.

But watching Sanu is like watching that old Bugs Bunny playing baseball cartoon...

"Mohamed Sanu with the catch
Run by Mohamed Sanu
Great throw by Mohamed Sanu
First base, Mohamed Sanu
Pitching, Mohamed Sanu
Goalie, Mohamed Sanu
Hole in One by Mohamed Sanu..."

You'd think by now South Florida would find and cover #6 on every play.

he really is so much better than anyone else on the offense especially, and probably the team. He even has an INT this year on a late half hail mary. BEAST

Him, Harrison, Savage, alot of the line and defense will be back next year, and deering and jordan thomas are both true freshman

[Snoogans]

DC Jefferson is a redshirt sophmore too. They dont go to him enough, since he has only been moved from QB for a bit over a year but he will be solid in the next couple years. He is a monster

[Snoogans]

way to completely fuck up the end of a game


might be time to go back to Tom Savage. Dodd looks shakier and shakier every week. And the playcalling has been BRUTAL

[ozzie]

Did Skip Holtz really just use "keep chopping wood" in his postgame interview?

[ozzie]

Just took a peek at Rutgers depth chart on Rivals. Looks like everyone but the center and a fullback coming back on offense.

Not sure how closely you follow Rutgers recruiting, but was wondering if Chevelle Buie was still committed to Rutgers, or not?

His name got mentioned on AU's "Hot Board" as "Has interest in Auburn", but his profile says he committed to Rutgers on 10/22?

[Snoogans]

Just took a peek at Rutgers depth chart on Rivals. Looks like everyone but the center and a fullback coming back on offense.

Not sure how closely you follow Rutgers recruiting, but was wondering if Chevelle Buie was still committed to Rutgers, or not?

His name got mentioned on AU's "Hot Board" as "Has interest in Auburn", but his profile says he committed to Rutgers on 10/22?

and they have a fullback ready to fill in after this FB who was a backup TE too. Carrezola or whatever it is.

Buie is still committed as of now. They are also close on another RB who is 4-5 star depending where you look who is from Jersey City, Savon Huggins

[Snoogans]

Did Skip Holtz really just use "keep chopping wood" in his postgame interview?

then he winked. was that a shot at RU?

[SP1!]

way to completely fuck up the end of a game


might be time to go back to Tom Savage. Dodd looks shakier and shakier every week. And the playcalling has been BRUTAL

Whats going on with the big east this year snoogs? They look horrible in a year when a lot of teams are down.

[Snoogans]

Whats going on with the big east this year snoogs? They look horrible in a year when a lot of teams are down.

I really wish I knew man. One week, teams will look dead in the water, then come back and beat one of the teams who is supposed to be decent.

perfect Example, UConn was gettin it rollin right as RU lost to UNC and then Tulane. Then the next week, Rutgers goes and beats UConn. Then UConn starts to take a shit while West Virginia is ok, then WV all of a sudden loses to UConn. Cincy almost beat Oklahoma but cant beat shitty teams. The whole fuckin thing is weird.
Now they announce they are gonna add 2 teams and are in talks with TCU, possibly UCF, Houston.

I have no fuckin idea whats happening. I guess Pitt is gonna win the big east. Fuckin Syracuse also could win the big east.

[JimBeam]

I don't know that the Big East is really any worse than the ACC right now.

The ACC is getting more love because of their teams w/ names ( FSU/Miami ) but neither league looks like it deserves an automatic BCS game bid.

Regardless I think bama/au go into that game with the same records and who ever wins goes to the NCG no matter who they play in the SECCG.

I disagree because while the SEC is still the toughest conference thet don't appear to be as strong top to bottom as they have in previous years.

Now that might not be fair because in other years they could be considered above average when other leagues champions were average.

But I couldn't see a 1 loss Alabama team beating a 3 loss UF team in the SEC title game and leaping several undefeated teams.

I mean if Oregon is undefeated at #1 and TCU is #2 and the above scenario happens I'm not sure I'd give Alabama the nod.

Now if we're talking about a situation where only the Non-AQs are undefeated I think you then maybe look at who was stronger otherwise.

If Auburn goes undefeated it doesn't matter who they play in the SEC title game as they'd be a firm #1 or #2 anyway.

The SEC East is going to hurt Alabama's chances. They have to hope South Carolina wins out and then they blow them out in the title game.

[SP1!]

So does anyone think the "Cam taking money story will kill auburn?"

Im sorry ozzie but if they do go undefeated and win the BCS then have to forfeit I will laugh my ass off just because a guy we work with is a huge, obnoxious auburn fan.

I dont think bama will have to leap anyone if the beat auburn, if they get by lsu this weekend I think they will be 4th and then if they beat auburn they will jump up into the 1 or 2 spot, then no matter who is in the SECCG they will still go, once a team is up there its impossible to knock them off after that last poll, hell was it OU that went even though they got their asses kicked in the big 12 championship game?

[ozzie]

So does anyone think the "Cam taking money story will kill auburn?"

So far, nothing implicates the Newtons or AU in any wrongdoing, but that's not what most people will take from what has been reported.

The story is about a proposal given to Mississippi State, another scumbag "agent", and now Urban Meyer for his involvement in releasing the story now.


* Florida coach Urban Meyer, Mississippi State coach Dan Mullen and former Mississippi State quarterback John Bond had a telephone conversation recently to discuss the allegations.

* Meyer had an interest in this story getting out and encouraged Bond to do so.

* Mullen told the two he thought they should move on, let it go, regardless of what was being alleged. Meyer said no, that it needed to get out to the media.

* Kenny Rogers, who is alleged to have sought money, is a desperate individual that was trying to get Cam Newton to go to Mississippi State. Rogers has a checkered past that includes an ongoing investigation by the NFL.


But... what is being "implied" in the national stories, is that "Auburn MUST have 'outbid' Mississippi State. Why else would Cam turn down $200k to go to MSU?"... even though there is no evidence against AU or the Newtons.

But to answer your question... whether anything is ever proven against Cam or AU or not, the damage to their national perception is already done.

"Insiders" are telling me that AU and the Newtons have been aware that this was going to be released for some time now, but thought/knew that the story was just about a comment made to MSU by someone claiming to represent Cam, so they are not worried. They knew it was going to come out at any time, and it hadn't affected them so far.

But now that it's released, we'll see what "facts" actually come out, vs. how long this is allowed to drag out.

It seems like a simple solution... talk to the "agent" who made the comment/offer to MSU, and find out if he was authorized by the Newtons to accept any payment.

There are some that are speculating that because the guy had ties to MSU, this "proposal" was made after Cam and his Father had decided to go to AU instead. The "...it would take some cash to get Cam," (to play at MSU) comment was made because Cam's Father had already decided that AU would be a better fit for Cam this year.

But... most will only read the headlines, or the part about being offered money, and fill in the blanks for themselves, and this will never be forgotten. Again, whether AU or Cam did anything wrong or not... that's what most will think/remember about this story.

I'm actually headed up there for homecoming tomorrow. It's an early kickoff, so we won't have much time to make the rounds, but I'm sure this will dominate most conversations.

Fortunately, it's only UTC tomorrow. We won't see how much of a distraction it will be until the following week. Then two weeks until bama.

If what they're saying is true, unless this investigation reveals anything more than what has been reported so far, I wouldn't expect this to affect the team at all.

And SP1... my aplogies for the AU "fan" you're having to deal with. My guess is that he's a "sidewalk" fan, and never went to AU. But if he did, ask him if he's ever read the Auburn Creed. It might be time for him to read it again.

[CountryBob]

As a Hokie Fan we dodged a bullet last night - GaTech not only ran all over us their defense stopped our offense pretty good. Sorry about your QB GaTech but it helped us get a win.

[JimBeam]

I can't see how the story could be true.

I mean it's not like anybody had any idea that this kid would be this " good " that they'd pay $200K for him.

I'm not sure how any team would think they'd get away w/ paying for a player in this day and age. Even prior to the new scrutiny regarding what happened at UNC ( which again was an college to pro issue ) it'd be almost impossible to keep an " pay for play " thing secret ( see Albert Means ).

A caller on a Rivals show said that the NYTimes is reporting that the guy at the center of the issue, Kenny Rogers, had an account with a negative balance of $11K and then when Newton signed in went to a positive $6K. Now that could be a coincidence but it does raise eyebrows.

I heard that the Newton family was turning over all these documents and maks me wonder to what extent they have to do that. I mean who the hell is the NCAA to come and ask a parent for their financial statements and the statements of a religious organization. How would/could Cam and/or Auburn be penalized if the parents said there's no way I'm giving you personal information. I think even the gov't would meet w/ some resistance asking for that stuff.

But if the kid is dirty I hope he goes down in flames but only after they've assure that Boise St doesn't play for a title.

[JimBeam]

As a Hokie Fan we dodged a bullet last night - GaTech not only ran all over us their defense stopped our offense pretty good. Sorry about your QB GaTech but it helped us get a win.

Ga Tech shit themselves by going for that 4th & 2 w/ a 14-7 lead in the 3rd quarter.

[CountryBob]

Ga Tech shit themselves by going for that 4th & 2 w/ a 14-7 lead in the 3rd quarter.

Yep they did - I think they feel like they can get 2 yards every time with that triple option offense.
2 years ago the Hokies stuffed the run when they played but the past 2 games, they look like they forgot what to do.

[JimBeam]

Yeah but in that series where they went for it Va Tech was doing a good job of getting penetration ( ha ha ).

Plus Va Tech was starting to show signs of the ability to move the ball more and Ga Tech gave them a short field in which to do so and lead to the 14-14 tie.

[JimBeam]

Another reason I think the Newton story is fishy again deals with the money for the player angle.

Here's a kid that was booted out of one school for doing something wrong.

How the hell could anybody think he'd be worth or that anybody would pay $200K for him ?

Doesn't make sense.

[Snoogans]

this Michigan Illinois game is fuckin nuts

[epo]

http://cache.deadspin.com/assets/resources/2008/03/WisconsinBadgers.jpg

[disneyspy]

this Michigan Illinois game is fuckin nuts

seriously,i was goin fuckin nuts during that game

man our defense blows

[JimBeam]

I guess Alabama was overrated.

This shitty LSU offense has been shredding them in the 4th quarter.

The argument might now have to be that should LSU. if they win out ( and Auburn loses to Alabama ), be able to leap into a title game.

They'd have done essentially the same thing as Alabama ( less the win against Penn St but that's as " big " as a win over UNC ) but the loss would be to a probably higher ranked team ( Auburn as opposed to South Carolina ).

But let's not get crazy because this LSU team could shit themselves against Arkansas.

Player of the game to 2 QBs that threw for less than 150 yards, 1 TD and only had 23 yards rushing combined ?

Really ? Nobody else was more worthy ?

The FG kicker probably should've gotten it.

[Snacks]

hahaahahah so happy that an overrated Alabama team lost to a way overrated LSU. The SEC is so evarrated. Florida, bama, lsu, all are way or were way overrated and the you add teams like then you add the fact that shitty teams like georgia, kentucky, tenn, vandy, ole miss etc are all shit and in that conference. This is why the BCS sucks, this is why fans that want to see a 1 loss team go to a championship game over an undefeated team are idiots. You win a title by a playoff game. If there is no playoff system then it has to go by record. Rankings are all done by what people think not by proven fact. People think the sex is a great conference but its not. If a team like Boise or TCU arent that good well then they will get beat when they play on the field and if it takes a national championship game for them to get a loss, so be it.

The best team in the country is Auburn (by the BCS). So your telling me a shitty Auburn team that was 8-5 last year has gotten so much better then everyone? No they are playing overrated teams that by name only get them ranked high every year. So a team like Boise who is good every year and stay good and wins big bowl games doesnt get a shot but a team like Auburn deserves one because idiots SAY there conference has the toughest schedule and teams?

[JimBeam]

Snacks you have completely lost you marbles. The SEC has won the last 4 national titles convincingly.

Compare their non-conference schedule against anybody else.

As has been pointed out several times the teams that Boise St plays regularly are home coming games to SEC schools. They are usually blowouts but not to the point that they should be because by the 3rd quarter the 3rd team is in the game.

Boise St's great every year ? Despite only having been 7-7 against BCS teams earlier this year ?

I'm not even gonna use the argument that Boise St couldn't win in the SEC, because it's evident but does take some thought, but if you think that they could win a game in front of 90K fans ( be it LSU, Alabama, etc ... ) you're mistaken.

[JimBeam]

So a team like Boise who is good every year and stay good and wins big bowl games ...

They're 1-1 in their last 2 bowl games.

UF is 2-0 beating an undefeated and a 1 loss team .

I can see how an educated thinker would think that UF is overrated.

[Snacks]

Snacks you have completely lost you marbles. The SEC has won the last 4 national titles convincingly.

Compare their non-conference schedule against anybody else.

As has been pointed out several times the teams that Boise St plays regularly are home coming games to SEC schools. They are usually blowouts but not to the point that they should be because by the 3rd quarter the 3rd team is in the game.

Boise St's great every year ? Despite only having been 7-7 against BCS teams earlier this year ?

I'm not even gonna use the argument that Boise St couldn't win in the SEC, because it's evident but does take some thought, but if you think that they could win a game in front of 90K fans ( be it LSU, Alabama, etc ... ) you're mistaken.

ok and what does that have to do with this year? LSU went to their national title game with 2 loses how the fuck is that fair? even if you are the best team if you lose and lose twice then you shouldnt be allowed the chance in the big game when their is no other playoff schedule other then the regular season. you cant have it both ways you cant argue that the regular season is the playoff and then also argue that a team with a loss or loses should go to the title game because of schedule. if you didnt win then you should be out unless other teams lost too.

[JimBeam]

And other teams did lose which is why LSU was given the shot.

The teams that were in place to go to the title game yacked it up.

I thought that a few other teams might've been more deserving than LSU that year but the reality was they were put in the big game and destroyed an undefeated #1 team.

You can't have it both ways.

You want to cling to this playof scenario where a team can get hot and win but then want to question when a team that arguably played the roughest road shows that it was obviously the best team.

[JimBeam]

And you're the one that brought up Boise St's multi-year accomplshments.

[Snacks]

And other teams did lose which is why LSU was given the shot.

The teams that were in place to go to the title game yacked it up.

I thought that a few other teams might've been more deserving than LSU that year but the reality was they were put in the big game and destroyed an undefeated #1 team.

You can't have it both ways.

You want to cling to this playof scenario where a team can get hot and win but then want to question when a team that arguably played the roughest road shows that it was obviously the best team.

they are the roughest road schedule because you and espn idiots say so not because it true. look at the bog 10. every year 3 or 4 teams ranked top 25 preseason. they beat each other up but 1 team stands on top of them all and because its the big 10 they usually get a chance to go to a national title game and almost every year the big 10 gets destroyed in every bcs bowl game and almost all of the total bowl games their conference gets. i think last year was the 1st year in 4 or 5 years that the big 10 had a winning record in bowl games. and the only reason that happens is because idiots vote them and all fight that the big 10 is a tough conference. I dont go by what some analyst says I go by what I see. Just because analyst say the big 10, the sec, the pac 10 etc are good doesnt mean its true. their not always good but keep a reputation based on hype not reality.

[JimBeam]

The thing is analysts see way more than you. You only get to see what's provided to you on cable.

The thing you're missing is non-conference schedules and common opponents.

That's as big of a gauge as anything.

So when you have an SEC go something like 35-5 ( not acurate numbers but used as an example ) in games against other conferences, including BCS conferences, that means they are as good as it says.

And you're right about analysts being wrong at times.

They claim that Boise St's win was againts a good Hawaii team. That's false. That Hawaii team lost to both USC ( a 3 loss team ) and Colorado ( a 3-6 team ). They also have a win on their schedule against an FCS team. That means that majority of what they've done has come againt the WAC which is, I believe, 2-12 against the AP Top 25.

Also Va Tech is supposed to have been playing better but the team they lost to, James Madison from the FCS, has lost 5 games in the Colonial Athletic Association. They have as many wins against BCS teams as they do against the likes of Richmond, UMass, Villanova, New Hampshire, Delaware and Towson ( their win, against a team that's 1-7 and 0-5 in the CAA ).

That's how you compare teams that don't play head to head. You see what each has done, see if there's anything in common and analyze that.

I'd bet that the CAA could have close to a .500 record if they played WAC teams.

[ozzie]

THIS is what I said months ago.

Any time bama, lsu or florida does not win the SEC, it is immediately considered a "Down Year".

Other than UGA losing to Colorado before they remembered how to play football, someone please tell me what big non-conference game the SEC lost this year?

I'm the first to complain that there aren't nearly enough good games to judge by, but we did have:

bama destoying PSU
lsu over WVU
Auburn over Clemson
kentucky over Louisville
Arkansas over Texas A&M

And before the end of the season, we'll have:

South Carolina vs Clemson
UGA vs Ga Tech
florida vs FSU

If the SEC was regularly losing these games, I'd agree that it was a "down year", but they're not.

All they're doing is beating each other. How does that make the conference "down"?

If anything, it proves how strong and deep this conference is, and how tough it is to win on the road in SEC venues.

Yes, florida has three losses... against three ranked sec schools.

bama has two losses now... on the road, against two ranked sec schools.

Still think TCU or Boise would "run the table" in the SEC?

[ozzie]

The argument might now have to be that should LSU. if they win out ( and Auburn loses to Alabama ), be able to leap into a title game.

They'd have done essentially the same thing as Alabama ( less the win against Penn St but that's as " big " as a win over UNC ) but the loss would be to a probably higher ranked team ( Auburn as opposed to South Carolina ).

I still say you have to win your conference to play for the title.

Yes, AU losing to bama could drop them behind lsu in the polls, but AU would still win the west, and play in the SECCG.

No one wants another "Nebraska" type team getting into the MNC game without having won their own division, or even playing in their conf champ game.

[ozzie]

The best team in the country is Auburn (by the BCS). So your telling me a shitty Auburn team that was 8-5 last year has gotten so much better then everyone?

That "shitty Auburn team that was 8-5 last year" had 3 scholarship linebackers healthy during those 5 losses, and little or no depth at most other positions on defense.

How many schools have linebackers taking EVERY snap in EVERY game, and pulling out wins?

AU had 14 point leads against kentucky, georgia and alabama in three of those losses, and lost each of those by a touchdown or less because they just couldn't hold those leads late in the games.

UK - 14 pts in 4th qtr, wins 21 - 14
UGA - 24 pts in the 2nd half (14 pts in the 4th), wins 31 - 24
#2 bama - didn't take the lead until 1:24 left in the game, won 26 - 21

So, yes, getting guys back healthy on D this year, adding some key freshmen and juco transfers to give some depth, a QB and running back to replace lost seniors so there's no lapse on offense... suddenly those close losses from last year are turning into close wins.

And the other two losses... arky and lsu on the road last year, AU got at home this year, and turned those around as well.

How hard is that to believe or understand?

[SP1!]

"Insiders" are telling me that AU and the Newtons have been aware that this was going to be released for some time now, but thought/knew that the story was just about a comment made to MSU by someone claiming to represent Cam, so they are not worried. They knew it was going to come out at any time, and it hadn't affected them so far.


And SP1... my aplogies for the AU "fan" you're having to deal with. My guess is that he's a "sidewalk" fan, and never went to AU. But if he did, ask him if he's ever read the Auburn Creed. It might be time for him to read it again.
Im interested to see how his daddy's church got fixed, supposedly he was going to lose it because he couldnt bring it up to code then all of a sudden it was fixed, I think the NCAA has already asked for his financial records in relation to the church.

And the AU fan did actually graduate from AU but it just a twat, the funniest thing is that he talks all this shit but looks like subway Jarrod during his weight loss, he also bought our tickets for the AU/UGA game this year. That should be fun for him, sitting in a crowd full of UGA fans with AU gear on, he may need a gun.

As a Hokie Fan we dodged a bullet last night - GaTech not only ran all over us their defense stopped our offense pretty good. Sorry about your QB GaTech but it helped us get a win.
Never apologize for hurting GT!

Oh and thanks.


The argument might now have to be that should LSU. if they win out ( and Auburn loses to Alabama ), be able to leap into a title game.

They'd have done essentially the same thing as Alabama ( less the win against Penn St but that's as " big " as a win over UNC ) but the loss would be to a probably higher ranked team ( Auburn as opposed to South Carolina ).
No CG then no NCG so I dont think it will happen, just like UGA a few years ago, they were clearly a stronger team at the end of the year but they shit the bed against slUT(thanks willie, fucking cocksmoker) so they sat home when they obviously were one of the best teams at the end of the year.

Just because analyst say the big 10, the sec, the pac 10 etc are good doesnt mean its true. their not always good but keep a reputation based on hype not reality.
No, they are good because they get the great recruits year in and year out, look at the NFL roosters and it will point out that most of them are from the big conferences. Some are from lower schools and thats usually because they are too stupid to get in better schools, bsu is still just a community college masquerading as a 4 year college and they play colleges that are the equivalent of southern high school teams every week.

[ozzie]

So when you have an SEC go something like 35-5 ( not acurate numbers but used as an example ) in games against other conferences, including BCS conferences, that means they are as good as it says.

Actually, pretty close.

The SEC is 34 - 5 right now in non-conf games.

4 of those 5 losses by Vandy, Ole Miss and Tennessee, who have 2 wins in conference combined. (combined 2 - 14 conference record)

[JimBeam]

My hypothesis of LSU running the table would have to coincide w/ Auburn's losses to both UGA and Alabama.

I agree it wouldn't make sense for a team that didn't win it's own division to play for a national title.

I will say that if the BCS teams continue to knock each other off it would be tough to exclude both non-AQ teams.

Let's hope that Boise St eats a dick against Nevada and it knocks them out of this whole picture.

Snacks, I didn't notice that you reffered to Auburn's record last year in one of your points. Your idea of not using subjective data, like prior seasons, seems to come and go.

It's quite possible that having the probable Heisman Trophy winner on your team will make you better than the previous season.

[Snoogans]

I just cant wait to see how much Boise fags cry when TCU gets the national title game shot before they do.

TCU vs Oregon. Fun game, I think

[Snacks]

I just cant wait to see how much Boise fags cry when TCU gets the national title game shot before they do.

TCU vs Oregon. Fun game, I think

i would love to see that game. problem is tcu will get screwed just like boise.

[SP1!]

i would love to see that game. problem is tcu will get screwed just like boise.

TCU plays a harder schedule the entire year, granted its still not as strong as the big conferences but its leaps ahead of boise's, next year when boise moves they will be a 3-4 loss team. So will UTAH, hopefully that will shut all of you idiots up, its easy to beat up on shit teams but if and SEC/big 10/big 12/pac 10 does it all of a sudden we have cupcakes, boise beats the same damn teams and you want to put them in the NCG.

[Snacks]

TCU plays a harder schedule the entire year, granted its still not as strong as the big conferences but its leaps ahead of boise's, next year when boise moves they will be a 3-4 loss team. So will UTAH, hopefully that will shut all of you idiots up, its easy to beat up on shit teams but if and SEC/big 10/big 12/pac 10 does it all of a sudden we have cupcakes, boise beats the same damn teams and you want to put them in the NCG.

just like when you big conference retarded blowjobs said Boise couldnt be Oklahoma! Let them play to decide, dont decide because a computer or fans say a schedule is tougher or a conference is tougher. If they play then you will truly know.

[Snoogans]

TCU plays a harder schedule the entire year, granted its still not as strong as the big conferences but its leaps ahead of boise's, next year when boise moves they will be a 3-4 loss team. So will UTAH, hopefully that will shut all of you idiots up, its easy to beat up on shit teams but if and SEC/big 10/big 12/pac 10 does it all of a sudden we have cupcakes, boise beats the same damn teams and you want to put them in the NCG.

i agree with all of this. and IF TCU decides to take the move to the Big East (granted they look like shit right now, they are still an AQ), they probably wont miss a beat either. For some reason, even the "establishment" ( i really hate how the experts who are for boise call anyone who doesnt think they are the best the establishment, as if we are evil) doesnt hate on TCU. Because of being in the best non AQ, and because they play much better teams than boise most years, they actually get respect from everyone

[Jayw]

Looks like Mizzou has shit the bed, bigtime. Fuck.

TCU>Boise blue field dbags

[JimBeam]

Snacks, you did it again. This time you referenced a game from 4 yars ago.

Because Boise St upset an overrated Oklahoma team that RARELY wins BCS bowl games that means they beat everybody ?

Your own logic is flawed in that you jumped to the 2006 season ( 2007 bowl game ) to say how good Boise St was but negelct to mention that since that game they're 1-2 in bowl games with losses to East Carolina ( yeah, really East Carolina ) and TCU.

Following up that huge win against Oklahoma they proceeded to lose the following year to a Washington team that ended the season 4-9 ( 2-7 inthe PAC 10 ) and to Hawaii ( who at the time, as was discussed, was the darling of the WAC and took their 12-0 record into the Sugar Bowl and came out having had their clocks cleaned 41-10 in a game which was over in the 2nd half ). Thet then ended the season w/ the previously mentioned loss to East Carolina.

So you conveniently jump from the 2006 season to the 2009/2010 seasons to try and prove a trend that Boise St is good but leave out all of the negatives in between ?

Oh and a little more perspective on that win against Oklahoma and how good they were supposed to be. They scored 42 points against Boise St yet had only scored that many points against Mid Tenn St. Not exactly a prolific offense they playd yet they still gave up almost a half a 100 points.

[ozzie]

Let them play to decide, dont decide because a computer or fans say a schedule is tougher or a conference is tougher. If they play then you will truly know.

If/when there are 8, or 16 teams in a playoff, I'm with you, 100%.

But under this system, where only 2 teams have a chance, and we've got human voters and computers deciding who the best 2 teams are... this is how it is, and will be.

IF either Oregon or AU stumbles, you MIGHT get TCU into the game... but right now it's looking like Boise is screwed unless TCU loses too. They were already asking last night which one-loss BCS conf team would have the best chance of getting into the MNC game if BOTH AU and Oregon lost.

Basically implying that there is ZERO chance of BOTH TCU and Boise playing each other.

We (the pro-ncaa-football-playoff-people) got some congressional support last year. Hopefully more will join the cause this year if more teams are screwed, and force the NCAA to develop a system that is "fair" to all members.

To that end... today's updated playoff bracket:

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5369/ncaaplayoffbracket11081.jpg

The sad thing is, someone from the ACC and Big East IS going to a BCS bowl this year.

I saw where UCF was now ranked in the AP top 25... ahead of anyone from the Big East.

And I know this format seems extreme, and there are "cupcakes" getting in, but so what.

Isn't that the point of coming is as a top seed anyway? To get a "cupcake" in the first round?

This is the only system that ensures that all 120 "FBS" teams have a chance. And even 5 spots to give the big conferences a second, and possibly third chance.

At least it would finally shut everyone up.

Yeah, there would be more qualified #10 - #15 teams shut out, but screw them. Win your conference, and your in. If you don't, you can't complain about not snagging an "at large" spot. Better luck next year.

[JimBeam]

A playoff like this will never happen because there's not enough time and there's no way that schools or the NCAA are going to cut regular season games.

Yes let's make teams play 8 games so that Boise St can feel like they belong. It's nonsense.

So they'll scrap 3 games minimum from the other 104 teams so that 16 can play in a tournament ?

You'd essentially kill any non-conference games because the 12 team leagues would have to play 5 against their division and at least 2 or 3 against the other division in the same league.

And again we'll still have the argument that a 3rd place SEC/Big 12 team is probably better than a 1st place WAC team.

Another reason it won't work is because if you go under the premise that the higher raned team would be the home team you think it'd be in the best interests of college football to ask LSU to pay for the the travel to Boise for a game ? To play in front of 30K people when LSU can get that for a spring game ?

[Snacks]

Snacks, you did it again. This time you referenced a game from 4 yars ago.

Because Boise St upset an overrated Oklahoma team that RARELY wins BCS bowl games that means they beat everybody ?

Your own logic is flawed in that you jumped to the 2006 season ( 2007 bowl game ) to say how good Boise St was but negelct to mention that since that game they're 1-2 in bowl games with losses to East Carolina ( yeah, really East Carolina ) and TCU.

Following up that huge win against Oklahoma they proceeded to lose the following year to a Washington team that ended the season 4-9 ( 2-7 inthe PAC 10 ) and to Hawaii ( who at the time, as was discussed, was the darling of the WAC and took their 12-0 record into the Sugar Bowl and came out having had their clocks cleaned 41-10 in a game which was over in the 2nd half ). Thet then ended the season w/ the previously mentioned loss to East Carolina.

So you conveniently jump from the 2006 season to the 2009/2010 seasons to try and prove a trend that Boise St is good but leave out all of the negatives in between ?

Oh and a little more perspective on that win against Oklahoma and how good they were supposed to be. They scored 42 points against Boise St yet had only scored that many points against Mid Tenn St. Not exactly a prolific offense they playd yet they still gave up almost a half a 100 points.

it might have been 4 years ago but every year since they have gotten better and better. so much so that even the bcs and preseason rankings had to rank them high especially when they rank horse shit teams like florida 5

[ozzie]

A playoff like this will never happen because there's not enough time and there's no way that schools or the NCAA are going to cut regular season games.

Yes let's make teams play 8 games so that Boise St can feel like they belong. It's nonsense.

So they'll scrap 3 games minimum from the other 104 teams so that 16 can play in a tournament ?

You'd essentially kill any non-conference games because the 12 team leagues would have to play 5 against their division and at least 2 or 3 against the other division in the same league.


4 rounds, over 4 weeks. Beginning 10 days after the conference championship weekend. The current bowl season lasts just as long.

No regular season games would have to be cut.

Nope, not a valid arguement against this.

And again we'll still have the argument that a 3rd place SEC/Big 12 team is probably better than a 1st place WAC team.

Boo hoo. You should have won your conference.

We've already established under this CURRENT BCS system that if you don't win your conference, you shouldn't have a chance to play for the MNC. Why should that change with a playoff?

This would allow 5 "at large" spots. If you miss one of those, tough shit. Try to win your conference the next year.

Another reason it won't work is because if you go under the premise that the higher raned team would be the home team you think it'd be in the best interests of college football to ask LSU to pay for the the travel to Boise for a game ? To play in front of 30K people when LSU can get that for a spring game ?

Home field for first round. Neutral (former bowl) sites for the remainder. Or, make them all neutral. I don't really care.

The increased revenue each school (or conference) would earn for making it to each round would more than offset any travel expense.

Do you honestly think that the bowls survive on the revenue they get from ticket sales? Just look at the current payouts the schools / conferences receive. All paid by the networks and corporate sponsors.

70 schools will be travelling to neutral sites for bowl games this year. Yes, 70 of the 120 "FBS" schools will be playing a post season game.

A 16 team playoff wraps up in just 15 games. That's 30 trips, and if the higher seed plays at home, we're down to 22 locations to get teams to.


Keep trying though. I'm fascinated by the reasons some people think that a playoff wouldn't or couldn't work.

[Warren Peace]

seriously,i was goin fuckin nuts during that game

man our defense blows

ugh

[JimBeam]

Nobody has ever said that NCAA football was set-up to be fair or even produce an undisputed champion and your playoff sceanrio just opens the bickering of 2 spots to 16 spots.

Sure you should win your conference but when you're fighting w/ Alabama, LSU and Aburn for that spot while somebody else is fighting Hawaii, Utah St and Wyoming there's no way that's even close to what the conferences want.

I can assure you that LSU playing a bowl game in FL, regardless of what it's for if anything, would draw more fans/money than a game in Idaho in January.

You're acting as if the SEC has to care if Boise St is given an even footing. They don't and nor should they. The money you talk about that can be made would be generated by less than half of the teams in your 16 team bracket.

Any you're kidding yourself if you think the public will more than 1 time tune into a game bewteen a WAC champion and an SEC runner-up. The novelt will be over as soon as it starts and it'll be like watching an opening day game for a UF fan and the average fan won't even look for it on TV.

People argue all the time that they don't wnna see the Yankees in the World Series every year ( and I agree with them ) but there's also something to be said about seeing 2 unpopular teams play a nationaly covered game.

[ozzie]

Nobody has ever said that NCAA football was set-up to be fair or even produce an undisputed champion and your playoff sceanrio just opens the bickering of 2 spots to 16 spots.

Sure you should win your conference but when you're fighting w/ Alabama, LSU and Aburn for that spot while somebody else is fighting Hawaii, Utah St and Wyoming there's no way that's even close to what the conferences want.

I can assure you that LSU playing a bowl game in FL, regardless of what it's for if anything, would draw more fans/money than a game in Idaho in January.

You're acting as if the SEC has to care if Boise St is given an even footing. They don't and nor should they. The money you talk about that can be made would be generated by less than half of the teams in your 16 team bracket.

Any you're kidding yourself if you think the public will more than 1 time tune into a game bewteen a WAC champion and an SEC runner-up. The novelt will be over as soon as it starts and it'll be like watching an opening day game for a UF fan and the average fan won't even look for it on TV.

People argue all the time that they don't wnna see the Yankees in the World Series every year ( and I agree with them ) but there's also something to be said about seeing 2 unpopular teams play a nationaly covered game.

Wow. Where to even begin.

There are 70 bowl games. Only a handful that are of "national interest", and only ONE that counts for anything right now.

Yet, people like Snoogans and myself are there watching almost every one.

I think you're way underestimating how many college football fans there are, and how many would watch every single game in every round, especially if there's only one on each day... and, yes, the fact that each one has meaning, will draw even more viewers than a weeknight bowl game in December.

And, no, it's not a direct comparison, but the basketball tournament is a huge deal for CBS, and for the NCAA. Just having a "bracket" to fill out brings in even more casual fans who have never heard of the Poinsettia Bowl.

And it's not about what the SEC wants. The BCS is operating under an anti-trust exclusion. That is what the congressmen were challenging last year in their proposed bill. They have to show that both the money and the opportunity is there for all members of this "FBS" they've created.

Like them or not, the NCAA has given "FBS" status to a lot of "shitty" teams/schools.

They basically have two choices. Come up with a better, more "fair" method of giving every "FBS" member a chance to compete, or they'll have to further sub-divide the schools.

Putting both Boise and TCU into the Fiesta Bowl last year only partly satisfied the monitary aspect.

They can show where Alabama further benefitted financially by having the opportunity to play for, and win, the MNC. And that's just one year. Just about any given year, other teams can make the same arguement.

They will argue that Boise had complied with every criteria to be entitled to have this additional opportunity, but was denied.

This last year, the proposed bill and inquiries were shot down by other members, with the arguement that "Congress has more important things to discuss besides college football"... even with Obama's agreement that it was needed.

But this issue will not go away, and the more teams from more states that get "screwed" each year, there will be increasingly more pressure to reform this system.

[JimBeam]

Firstly the bowl games that get the attention at the end of the year are the major ones. Ones where major conferences are playing each other.

Look at the ratings. You think the GMAC Bowl is getting 1/5 of the viewers that the Gator Bowl is getting ?

So if you match a Hawaii w/ a Georgia, and it's not the Sugar Bowl to which many UGA fans will travel, you aren't getting half the viewers.

You're talking about it from a tv only perspective. What you're ignoring is that bowl games are huge because the fans of the big schools travel to them. Once again only the loyalist of LSU fans are going to watch them play in -10 degrees.

And if you phase out the major bowls do you think the sponsors are just going to jump at the chance to sponsor the 1 versus 16 bowl ?

Good luck putting on a major game w/o Tostitos or Allstate's money behind it.

Another point is that at any time the major conferences can withdraw form this NCAA thing and start another institution.

That's the fear the NCAA has of there being 4 major 16 team conferences because at that time they can decide to make thier own championships in footall. basketball, baseball and whatever.

The NCAA isn't a legal entitiy to which the schools are beholden.

[Snacks]

Firstly the bowl games that get the attention at the end of the year are the major ones. Ones where major conferences are playing each other.

Look at the ratings. You think the GMAC Bowl is getting 1/5 of the viewers that the Gator Bowl is getting ?

So if you match a Hawaii w/ a Georgia, and it's not the Sugar Bowl to which many UGA fans will travel, you aren't getting half the viewers.

You're talking about it from a tv only perspective. What you're ignoring is that bowl games are huge because the fans of the big schools travel to them. Once again only the loyalist of LSU fans are going to watch them play in -10 degrees.

And if you phase out the major bowls do you think the sponsors are just going to jump at the chance to sponsor the 1 versus 16 bowl ?

Good luck putting on a major game w/o Tostitos or Allstate's money behind it.

Another point is that at any time the major conferences can withdraw form this NCAA thing and start another institution.

That's the fear the NCAA has of there being 4 major 16 team conferences because at that time they can decide to make thier own championships in footall. basketball, baseball and whatever.

The NCAA isn't a legal entitiy to which the schools are beholden.

but these bowl game will still be played. tostitos will still have a bowl game but instead of being a meaningless bowl game except the 1 year every 5 or 6 that its the national title game it will be more meaningful because it will be a bowl game that is also a playoff game.

when the ncaa basketball tournament happens most people love following the little schools. people do not only care about big schools and big conferences. they like good games and for the most part top 8 teams will play good games. some may be blow outs some will be shockers but they will be won on the field and more then 2 teams get a chance to play for a title and win!

they are all beholden to the ncaa if they dont follow whatever they say then they cant play in bowl games or count.

how could anyone argue against teams like tcu, boise, utah et. they have smaller schools, play exciting football and do everything they are supposed to do and more.

[JimBeam]

... they are supposed to do and more.

Really ? They do more ? What exactly is more ?

they are all beholden to the ncaa if they dont follow whatever they say then they cant play in bowl games or count.

They are " members " of the NCAA and can chose to not be at any time ( logistically ).

Nobody can force LSU to be part of the SEC, nobody can force the SEC to be part of the NCAA.

Sure they'd lose whatever structure is in place now but if from a money perspective the schools can benefits themselves better by making their own organization they'll do it.

The conference title game wasn't around until the SEC decided to make one, not the NCAA.

If the super conferences spun off they could redo all the rules with regards to eligibility, playing time ,etc ...

You act like the NCAA's been around as long as college football has been. It wasn't until 1973 that the 3 division structure was created and that since has been adjusted.

You think the independent SEC would care whether or not it had the NCAA's seal of approval on it's champion ?

You also forget that there are other organizations out there ( NAIA, USCAA, etc ... ) so it's not the schools that need the NCAA, it's the otherway around.

This was a huge discussion on a lot of college shows when the PAC 10 made their move and there was talk of expansion w/ the SEC.

[ozzie]

We've already been through this with the bowls buying into the BCS system. If you remember, at first the Rose Bowl (aka, Big 10 and Pac 10) did not want to be a part of it.

Guess what? The others decided it was a good idea, and went ahead with it anyway. As soon as the other two conferences saw what was happening, they bought into it.

We're at that same point now with the "Plus One" (the first evolution of a "playoff")

Guess who were the two conferences against it? Yup. Same two.

And guess which two just caved and went to 12 teams so that they could add a lucrative "championship game".

Bottom line is, some have to be SHOWN that they won't lose money, or that there is more money to be gained by buying into something new.

Money is the ONLY reason that they haven't done this already. They just haven't been able to convince ALL of the conferences the value in changing.

This is not about protecting any sort of "tradition". The university presidents and conference representatives are voting for whatever is in their best intere$t.

The Big 10 network was the first step towards conference re-alignment, and almost destroyed the Big 12.

Suddenly every conference is about maximizing their product for the highest dollar, tradition be damned.

As soon as they see a format that meets their need$, then you will see change.

That, or until it is forced upon them, just like steroid testing in baseball.

Either way, the current BC$ system is not going to last another decade.

[ozzie]

Nevermind... looks like I can step back and let SI take up the cause from here...

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/1112/2010siplayoff.jpg

[Snacks]

Nevermind... looks like I can step back and let SI take up the cause from here...

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/1112/2010siplayoff.jpg

Well, there are people who use their brains and there are morons who dont like change or equality.

Nice to see SI uses theirs!

[SP1!]

4 rounds, over 4 weeks. Beginning 10 days after the conference championship weekend. The current bowl season lasts just as long.

No regular season games would have to be cut.

Nope, not a valid arguement against this.

The bowl season doesnt ramp up until just before christmas with most of the last regular season games ending thanksgiving weekend, thats not really lasting just as long since only 2 teams from some conferences are playing and not the entire conference.

Boo hoo. You should have won your conference.

We've already established under this CURRENT BCS system that if you don't win your conference, you shouldn't have a chance to play for the MNC. Why should that change with a playoff?

This would allow 5 "at large" spots. If you miss one of those, tough shit. Try to win your conference the next year.

So, AU wins all their games except bama(I know just go with me here) who play a 1 loss team in the seccg, are you telling me that you wont be extremely pissed that a boise gets in over you? And do you really think they deserve getting in over AU in a playoff? If you answer no to any of those questions then you are fucking lying, until boise plays decent teams most of the year they dont deserve shit.

Home field for first round. Neutral (former bowl) sites for the remainder. Or, make them all neutral. I don't really care.

The increased revenue each school (or conference) would earn for making it to each round would more than offset any travel expense.

Do you honestly think that the bowls survive on the revenue they get from ticket sales? Just look at the current payouts the schools / conferences receive. All paid by the networks and corporate sponsors.

70 schools will be travelling to neutral sites for bowl games this year. Yes, 70 of the 120 "FBS" schools will be playing a post season game.

A 16 team playoff wraps up in just 15 games. That's 30 trips, and if the higher seed plays at home, we're down to 22 locations to get teams to.

Keep trying though. I'm fascinated by the reasons some people think that a playoff wouldn't or couldn't work.
The biggest problem is that the rose bowl thinks they are above every other bowl game, a few years ago when the sec/acc were willing to sign off on a plus 1 deal the big 10 refused to go along because the rose bowl didnt like that they would be over shadowed. I fucking hate the rose bowl, they keep screaming for tradition and not the best matchup.

Until the rose bowl gets smacked down there will never be a playoff.

Well, there are people who use their brains and there are morons who dont like change or equality.

Nice to see SI uses theirs!

You cant really think that boise has a chance against good teams every week, there is a reason why they schedule good teams at the start of the season, not in the middle of the season and is why they turned down nebraska for a nov 6th game.

TCU is a real team, boise is a scrub that thinks it belongs, they should drop all this pay for play bullshit, FSU didnt get it when they were making their name in the 70s, so why do you think bsu deserves better treatment?

[ozzie]

So, AU wins all their games except bama(I know just go with me here) who play a 1 loss team in the seccg, are you telling me that you wont be extremely pissed that a boise gets in over you? And do you really think they deserve getting in over AU in a playoff? If you answer no to any of those questions then you are fucking lying, until boise plays decent teams most of the year they dont deserve shit.

I'm not sure I'm following you.

AU wins all their games, except bama... are you using this year's records? Like, AU still wins the west, but with one loss?

Or, is your scenario based on AU and bama both ending up with one loss, but bama wins the west with a head-to-head tie breaker?

If the latter, then... isn't that exactly what we have now?

We've already established that, under this current system, if you don't win your division, or your conference, you shouldn't have any claim to play for the MNC.

If bama hadn't lost to LSU, this is exactly what could have happened this year. They would have probably put bama in over Boise, but either way, if AU doesn't win the west, or the SECCG, they're already out of it.

If that's the way it is now, why would I (or anyone) expect it to be different with a playoff?

I can't remember ever hearing a lot of bitching from fans of teams that didn't win their own conference, arguing that they somehow got "screwed".

But, there's been plenty of times that conference champs with equal records, or with more losses but MUCH stronger schedules, have been shut out.

I don't want a playoff just to get more SEC (or other BCS conf) teams involved. It's my opininon that each conference should have the right to establish their own method of determining their conference champion.

At one time, in case of a tie, the Big Ten would look at who hadn't been to the Rose Bowl for the longest period of time. That team would go and represent the Big Ten as their "champion". Hell, it's looking like they could end up with a three way tie this year, and without a title game, who the hell knows how they'd decide... and I really don't care.

Basically, each conference has their own "playoff" now.

All I'm proposing is a way to play these conference champions against each other.

My agenda has nothing to do with giving the small conferences a chance. That's just a by-product of a revised system.

It's actually to make sure that even in a year where the SEC (or any conference) beats the shit out of each other in conference play, and the eventual champ ends up with a loss or two, that they still would have a chance to play for a title.

The only way to do that is to change the system to where "all" conference champs are included.

I'd have no complaints if the conferences re-aligned into 8 "super conferences" and those 8 played off at the end of the year. It still solves the problem of leaving anyone out.

[SP1!]

Im not saying just for the MNC, Im talking about your playoff scenario.

In almost any playoff they will only take 2 per conference which would most likely leave out a 1 loss AU and let bama then an SEC east team get into the playoffs, do you really believe that a 1 loss AU team should be left out for a boise? I hate AU because of having to deal with the asshole and even I dont agree with that.

Until boise gives up his ridiculous demands for payouts and schedules better teams late in the season then I wont take them seriously, besides they havent realize they cant schedule their own cupcakes late in the season since their regular season sucks so bad. They basically get their team pumped up for one or two games then roll over all the shit teams.

[Snoogans]

i like the idea of 8 conf total and just 1 playoff spot per conf. just for the sake of keeping with wild card flavor though (and keeping the BCS, cause everyone has to get a piece of that money) I would even go with 6 power conferences and 2 at large bids going to whatever 2 non conf winners have the highest ranking by the BCS formula

[ozzie]

Yeah, I see where the "at large" spots are confusing my agenda, and making it seem like I'm pulling for multiple teams from the same conference to get it.

This would be much simpler wth an even number of conferences.

How about using the BCS ranking (or similar) system to "seed" teams, and making the lower ranked teams "play in"?

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/8473/ncaaplayoffbracket11091.jpg

[SP1!]

Yeah, I see where the "at large" spots are confusing my agenda, and making it seem like I'm pulling for multiple teams from the same conference to get it.

This would be much simpler wth an even number of conferences.

How about using the BCS ranking (or similar) system to "seed" teams, and making the lower ranked teams "play in"?

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/8473/ncaaplayoffbracket11091.jpg

There would be too many people bitching that why do these shit conferences get a shot at the playoffs where teams that play tough schedules get the shaft so that will never work.

You keep trying to set it up like the basketball playoffs and its not going to work that way since you cant play a football game 1-2 days after playing the first one and you will never get the big conferences to sign off on letting the shit teams in c-usa/mac/sun belt/wac get in automatically. You can forget about it, I could see them using the bcs/computer polls in getting the seeds right, the computers usually have it right more than the human polls, fucking math nerds.......

[ozzie]

Obviously, there'd have to be at least a week between rounds. I just didn't put proposed dates on this one like I did the first time.

This format would have 5 rounds, so play over 5 weeks.

If you started the weekend after the conference championship weekend, you'd still finish around the same time as the MNC is played now. Only you wouldn't have teams sitting "idle" for over a month (like we do now) waiting for it to happen.

At least with this, the higher seeds would get the first two weeks off. Another benefit of finishing higher.

The only thing I don't like about Snoogans proposal is the idea of having 6 "power conferences" having automatic bids, and only 2 spots open for the rest.

In a year like this, the MWC (TCU), WAC (Boise) and even C-USA (UCF) all have teams ranked higher than anyone in the Big East.

And the ACC is already in danger of losing their "AQ" status even under the BCS system.

[Snacks]

There would be too many people bitching that why do these shit conferences get a shot at the playoffs where teams that play tough schedules get the shaft so that will never work.

You keep trying to set it up like the basketball playoffs and its not going to work that way since you cant play a football game 1-2 days after playing the first one and you will never get the big conferences to sign off on letting the shit teams in c-usa/mac/sun belt/wac get in automatically. You can forget about it, I could see them using the bcs/computer polls in getting the seeds right, the computers usually have it right more than the human polls, fucking math nerds.......

why does the NFC west get a representative in the playoffs? Arizona wouldnt have made the playoffs in any other conference the year they made the super bowl they went 9-7. Thats why everyone deserves a chance. Maybe this was we will have parody through out the conferences rather then just 2 or 3 conferences trying to steal all the tv money. Why would a team like Utah have to leave their conference? Because they know they get less opportunity to play for a championship where they are. They are also being paid to leave by the pac 10. The pac 10 does so to have more teams, make their conference stronger and make the other conferences weaker. Maybe its time to spread it out more evenly!

[Snoogans]

There would be too many people bitching that why do these shit conferences get a shot at the playoffs where teams that play tough schedules get the shaft so that will never work.

You keep trying to set it up like the basketball playoffs and its not going to work that way since you cant play a football game 1-2 days after playing the first one and you will never get the big conferences to sign off on letting the shit teams in c-usa/mac/sun belt/wac get in automatically. You can forget about it, I could see them using the bcs/computer polls in getting the seeds right, the computers usually have it right more than the human polls, fucking math nerds.......

this is why read above. Make 6 super conf, give them each an auto bid, since each will have top quality teams, and then give the top 2 teams by BCS formula who didnt win their conference "wild card" berths as the 7 and 8 seed. Seed the conference winners 1-6 based on record, conf strength, sched strength etc

[SP1!]

why does the NFC west get a representative in the playoffs? Arizona wouldnt have made the playoffs in any other conference the year they made the super bowl they went 9-7. Thats why everyone deserves a chance. Maybe this was we will have parody through out the conferences rather then just 2 or 3 conferences trying to steal all the tv money. Why would a team like Utah have to leave their conference? Because they know they get less opportunity to play for a championship where they are. They are also being paid to leave by the pac 10. The pac 10 does so to have more teams, make their conference stronger and make the other conferences weaker. Maybe its time to spread it out more evenly!

So now everyone deserves a chance? Should we let UGA/bama/OSU into C-usa so they can roll over all those shitty teams to get into the NCG? You want in? Earn your way in, playing these shit teams every fucking week is not earning your way in and the payoff screams are bullshit. Im sure the word you are looking for is parity, the reason Utah left is because they could and now they have a shot at more prestigious setting instead of playing in front of high school crowds that are prevalent in the wac/mwc. The difference is that Utah could leave where bsu is stuck since they are shit academically. Also, all of this bitching will be a moot point if utah loses 3-4 games next year which will most likely happen since they will be playing a lot tougher schedule.

BSU is taking money away from their university and spending it on athletics when they shouldnt since they have such shitty graduation rates, you do realize student graduation rates are lower at bsu than they are for phoenix university? I think that is more pressing than winning at football for them.

You can get included when they play a decent schedule.

[Snacks]

no but a conference champ and a team who is undefeated every year and has built one of the better football programs deserves a chance based on their record and what they have done

[SP1!]

no but a conference champ and a team who is undefeated every year and has built one of the better football programs deserves a chance based on their record and what they have done

Ole piss and vandy could go undefeated in the mac or c-usa every year, does that mean they deserve a NC shot?

You arent listening to anyone, boise does not deserve a shot for one simple reason, quality of opponents. They beat up on teams that major schools play for homecoming then whine about not getting a title shot, how is that fair? If an SEC school played a conference like theirs then nobody would even remotely say they deserve a title shot so why should boise get one? Here is what boise can do if they want a title shot, first drop the demand for a huge payday for a game, its just not going to happen, second, drop shit teams like wyoming/toledo from your schedule---having a shit conference schedule means you dont get to play cupcakes if you want a title shot, 3rd, raise your fucking academics before worrying about football. All the boise supporters like to scream "the pac 10 considered us and turned us down because they were afraid we would beat them!" that is horseshit, boise was never even considered because their school barely qualifies as a junior college in comparison.

Boise should follow the FSU model for national title hopes, at one time FSU was shit as well, it took them 15 years to be taken seriously so get the fuck over it.

[Snacks]

I dont need to listen to anyone, who the fuck are you to tell me I need to listen to anyone? Im not changing my opinion because 3 people on this board are anti big conferences!

My opinion is Boise does enough to deserve a chance. Im not even a Boise fan my fav team is The U but I also like equality and everyone having a chance. Im tired of teams with 2 loses or a team who loses in week 3 have a chance over a team that goes undefeated. How about when a team loses week 3 but wins out has a chance to move back up but if another team loses week 10 they are done? Thats fair no the entire system in flawed, not 1 thing about who goes, who has a chance and how they are all picked is right. How anyone cant see that this entire system is wrong and unfair to ALL schools is beyond me!

[SP1!]

I dont need to listen to anyone, who the fuck are you to tell me I need to listen to anyone? Im not changing my opinion because 3 people on this board are anti big conferences!

My opinion is Boise does enough to deserve a chance. Im not even a Boise fan my fav team is The U but I also like equality and everyone having a chance. Im tired of teams with 2 loses or a team who loses in week 3 have a chance over a team that goes undefeated. How about when a team loses week 3 but wins out has a chance to move back up but if another team loses week 10 they are done? Thats fair no the entire system in flawed, not 1 thing about who goes, who has a chance and how they are all picked is right. How anyone cant see that this entire system is wrong and unfair to ALL schools is beyond me!

You are listening to people who are trying to say boise deserves it when those people are just writers who never watch them play, that team in a real conference gets smoked, in one of the big 4 they lose 3 during their best year and would be arkansas or miss st in the SEC. Teams with 2 losses from any of the other conferences are better than this shitstain of a team from a junior college. Saying you are a U fan just clinches that you know shit about football since most of their fans are just fans of the attitude and not the team.

Boise doesnt deserve it with their shit schedule, 90% of college football fans agree with that point, why let them in when they are playing an entire schedule of schools the SEC gets shit on when they play them? Use fucking common sense and realize that beating up a cripple does not make you a strong man, boise beats up on the cripple equivalent in the college football world.

[SP1!]

So Ozzie what's this I hear about Vegas pulling the UGA/au game from their betting lines? Any other news going on?

Most bookies know shit is going down before the players.

[ozzie]

So Ozzie what's this I hear about Vegas pulling the UGA/au game from their betting lines? Any other news going on?

Most bookies know shit is going down before the players.

A twitter rumor started spreading yesterday that Cam's eligibility was being questioned, and that his starting would be a "game time decision".

People started jumping on it, and betting heavily on the dawgs at +8.5 (or whatever line they could get at the time), thinking there'd be no way AU covered without him.

Whenever there is a massive play like that, they'll pull it off until they can re-set the line.

It's back at anywhere from 7 to 8.5 pts today, so I guess the bookies feel confident that he'll play.

[SP1!]

A twitter rumor started spreading yesterday that Cam's eligibility was being questioned, and that his starting would be a "game time decision".

People started jumping on it, and betting heavily on the dawgs at +8.5 (or whatever line they could get at the time), thinking there'd be no way AU covered without him.

Whenever there is a massive play like that, they'll pull it off until they can re-set the line.

It's back at anywhere from 7 to 8.5 pts today, so I guess the bookies feel confident that he'll play.

Ahhh well that makes sense, and I really dont think auburn will win without him, hell do they really have much of a team outside of cam? He reminds me of when teeblow used to play, if he was injured they usually lost too bad it didnt happen more often.

Also did you see this?
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5792707

This guy is pissing everyone off, and even though it may not be proven auburn did anything wrong cam may still be affected which could mean forfeits.

[ozzie]

Ahhh well that makes sense, and I really dont think auburn will win without him, hell do they really have much of a team outside of cam? He reminds me of when teeblow used to play, if he was injured they usually lost too bad it didnt happen more often.

Also did you see this?
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5792707

This guy is pissing everyone off, and even though it may not be proven auburn did anything wrong cam may still be affected which could mean forfeits.

In 5 of their 10 wins, Cam rushed for less than 100 yards, so he's not winning them all single-handedly. There's been a few games where they looked very "basic" in their offense, and Cam has only been asked to throw. But, the thing about Gus's "read option" offense, is that it only works if you at least have some threat of the QB keeping it. As far as a pure "pocket passer", he had a lot of competition this spring from Trotter. It wasn't until they started having a little contact in the fall until they started to see what Cam's rushing ability brought to the game, and really not until their opener until they saw his true ability to break tackles and escape the pocket.

When you're not allowed to hit the QB, a lot of whistles were blown whenever anyone got close, so he wasn't "head and shoulders" above Trotter, Caudle and Moseley coming out of spring.

Dyer rushed for 180 against Ole Mrs. He's a capable runner, and then some, but again, it's hard to tell what he could do if defenses didn't have to worry as much about Cam. And McCalebb is a burner, very quick to the edge, and great in open space. Fannin's carries have been limited by his ability to hold onto the ball, but he's still got great hands to go along with size and speed.

Barrett Trotter is no Cam Newton, but he's no slouch either. Gus ran a very similar offense last year with Chris Todd, who was ZERO threat to run the ball, with moderate success. Trotter is a much better athlete and threat to run than Todd was, and AU was putting up a lot of yards and points last year.

The receiving corp doesn't get near enough credit. These guys are running great routes, don't drop many, but more importantly, every one of them can, and will block like a motherfucker when their number isn't called. Kodi Burns (former QB, the one Al Borges chose over Cam Newton out of HS) is an outstanding blocker. I worry sometime that when he enters the game, sooner or later teams will realize that they're likely to run, or throw a bubble screen to his side of the ball. They'll throw to him occasionally to keep the D honest, but watch for him blocking on corners, safeties and OLB's.

Biggest oversight of this team is the O-line. I honestly believe that Mr. Newton ultimately decided on AU because of the 4 returning starters they had to protect his boy. It took a while to adjust to all the pulling, coming off a 2 pt stance, the timing and disguising that Gus asked them to do, but they're a solid unit now. The way they controlled the LSU d-line was outstanding, and that's probably the best they'll face all year.

This team might not be 10 - 0 with Trotter or Caudle at QB, but they wouldn't exactly be 0 - 10 either.

And, yeah, Kenny Rodgers has been the source of the story from day one. This was just the first time he'd been interviewed publicly. My guess is that was a Miss State lawyer on the phone with him, because he was obviously being censored. There was a lot more that he wanted to say, but couldn't. I think he's pissed off that he's being called out, and he's not going to go down alone.

So far all we know is that either Miss State offered the Newtons money to play there, or, if you believe this guy, that they were "solicited" for money by the Newtons. It's funny that Miss State NEVER stopped recruiting Cam all the way until signing day... even though they supposedly reported this "violation" as early as late Nov or early Dec of '09.

Stoops has already come out and said that OU recruited Cam hard, and said that there was no request for money there. Lane Kiffen and AU are both saying the same thing.

What I do remember from last year, is this. AU was not actively recruiting a QB. They pretty much stumbled upon Cam while looking at another Juco transfer. It was looking pretty much like a lock that Cam would go back to play for his old coordinator Mullen at MSU.

Once they saw him play, and some film from Blinn, AU made an offer and contacted the Newtons for a visit, and... I may be naive, sold Cecil on how Cam would fit in this offense, on the fact that the starting QB position was "wide open", and on the strength of the o-line, and, of course, the close proximity to his home in Atlanta.

I think it was a shock to both Cam and MSU that he wouldn't be playing there, and I think that's when this Kenny Rogers guy stepped in. He admitted that the only contact he had with Cecil was at a hotel, with two MSU "recruiters", and it wouldn't surprise me to find out that it was, in fact, MSU who offered Cecil money to change his mind, and not the other way around, as it is being reported.

It's funny that it was first reported by Bond at MSU that Kenny Rogers made the request to MSU for money on behalf of the Newtons. But now, Rogers is saying that they'd never met the Newtons before that day. All of the statements are coming from MSU, or from former MSU players. None have any facts of any wrongdoing by any other schools or outside people involved, other than what seems like an attempt to turn it around on the Newtons to cover their ass.

There's multiple stories about Rogers' history with other kids, and check out what the NFL thinks about this guy, and his financials from this time last year. I'm not about to take his side of the story. As far as I see, he IS the story right now, but that's not the way it's being reported. I hate that this is coming down on AU when there is nothing indicating they did anything wrong.

Right now I just hope it's not a distraction this Saturday. It's been 5 years since AU beat UGA, and I still haven't gotten over the disaster of 2006, let alone the three that followed. Oh, and the other little fact that this is their first chance to clinch the SEC west since '04, and still have a title shot.

I'd hate to find out that it was all pissed away by some disgruntled, butt-hurt, scumbag "agents" and "recruiters" trying to cover their own ass.

[SP1!]

Well now there is a question over whether he will even play tomorrow since the allegations are starting to look like they did ask for money, which would make him ineligible according to NCAA standards.

Still if hes not on the team I think they have at least 3 losses and most likely 4.

[SP1!]

Im wondering what the NCAA is looking at since auburn still wont announce whether cam is starting today or not, rumor is that his father has admitted to taking money or asking for money but its still not sure if any of that implicates cam. Someone that close to him asked for money then its probably sure that cam will be ruled ineligible, if it was just the agent/finder then no, he would be fine. Rumors are that cam didnt even know about it but I find that hard to believe considering they are a pretty close family.

Also, what the fuck is hakeem nicks thinking? Giving college players money? UNC is in even bigger trouble and may get banned even with the shitty season. They should punish players in the NFL for shit they did in college or are doing on college since that is fucking ridiculous.

[ozzie]

Im wondering what the NCAA is looking at since auburn still wont announce whether cam is starting today or not, rumor is that his father has admitted to taking money or asking for money but its still not sure if any of that implicates cam. Someone that close to him asked for money then its probably sure that cam will be ruled ineligible, if it was just the agent/finder then no, he would be fine. Rumors are that cam didnt even know about it but I find that hard to believe considering they are a pretty close family.

People are reading a lot into Auburn's recent "NO COMMENT" position. I think that Jay Jacobs and the school has said all that they are going to say about this. There are NO allegations against the AU athletic department or the school, so it's not their position to answer any more questions.

They did their own internal investigation before the season started, found nothing, and made him the starter for their first game.

Don't forget that all of these "allegations" were reported at least 10 months ago. (Possibly before that)

Just because the press is just now learning things, doesn't mean that the NCAA didn't already know about it.

The last "new" information they received, supposedly came out in July... again, BEFORE the season started.

The NCAA didn't just start their investigation two weeks ago, and neither did Auburn.

[SP1!]

Well most of those allegations werent filed by miss state until july, I wonder why they waited so long to do that, its said they were dealing with their own issue but still, they could have said something the minute it happened to get someone to watch them then.

I am thinking the NCAA didnt have any real proof to dig deeper until this guy came forward.

The no comment position is mainly because word has come out to yahoo sports that the NCAA has "recommended "he sit out this game, while that is not a firm "do not play him" they are basically telling auburn that he may be ineligible and most schools sit those players to be safe. Then again, most teams arent this far into the season with so much riding on the line today, if he doesnt play then UGA has to be the favorite even at .500.

Oh well I guess we will find out in a couple of hours.

[epo]

If Indiana wasn't such a hideous state, I would feel sorry for the Hoosiers today.

[Snoogans]

seriously, Wisconsin is fuckin PASSING up 69-13? REALLY

76-13 now cause the Badgers are fuckin jerk offs

[epo]

seriously, Wisconsin is fuckin PASSING up 69-13? REALLY

76-13 now cause the Badgers are fuckin jerk offs

Wisconsin has over 330 yards running today. Indiana couldn't stop you.

[Snoogans]

Wisconsin has over 330 yards running today. Indiana couldn't stop you.

i understand but do you need to be throwing in the 4th quarter up 700 points? And its not like it was a screen or something, you threw fuckin deep

[epo]

i understand but do you need to be throwing in the 4th quarter up 700 points? And its not like it was a screen or something, you threw fuckin deep

They ran a basic pass play with a 4th string QB. Indiana covered everything but the deep route. What are they supposed to do?

[Snoogans]

They ran a basic pass play with a 4th string QB. Indiana covered everything but the deep route. What are they supposed to do?

It was fuckin 69-13 with 8 min left in the game. You are supposed to run 3 times and if you get a first down, run 3 times. If you dont, you punt or kick a FG. You NEVER attempt a pass up 69-13 in the final quarter. if the kid needs passing reps, let him get them against hte first team defense in practice. Its clearly a better defense than Indiana's

[Snacks]

It was fuckin 69-13 with 8 min left in the game. You are supposed to run 3 times and if you get a first down, run 3 times. If you dont, you punt or kick a FG. You NEVER attempt a pass up 69-13 in the final quarter. if the kid needs passing reps, let him get them against hte first team defense in practice. Its clearly a better defense than Indiana's

no you are supposed to score 100 points in college. its the only way to get respect and move up in a shitty ranking system that only rewards blow outs against not so great teams. if they didnt keep scoring maybe they drop a place or 2 because indiana sucks and the computers, coaches and writers may feel they didnt do enough against a shit school.

you all like the bcs, live by it!

[SP1!]

It was fuckin 69-13 with 8 min left in the game. You are supposed to run 3 times and if you get a first down, run 3 times. If you dont, you punt or kick a FG. You NEVER attempt a pass up 69-13 in the final quarter. if the kid needs passing reps, let him get them against hte first team defense in practice. Its clearly a better defense than Indiana's

Yeah thats pretty shitty, you would think spurrier was coaching up there since hes usually the insufferable prick, its nice to see him dying in SC.

[SP1!]

no you are supposed to score 100 points in college. its the only way to get respect and move up in a shitty ranking system that only rewards blow outs against not so great teams. if they didnt keep scoring maybe they drop a place or 2 because indiana sucks and the computers, coaches and writers may feel they didnt do enough against a shit school.

you all like the bcs, live by it!

Yeah, they took out margin of victory years ago, the computers get the polls right most of the time and they have boise ranked just where they should be with their shit wins.


Sooooooooo, how many teams just boise if UGA beat auburn today? I say at least two, LSU and wisconsin or maybe stanford.

[Snacks]

style points still count to the writers, the coaches and the fans...

I say score 100 if you can fuck everyone right? Why should it matter they should embarrass them all. thats how teams get respect! once close game and there are assholes that say no good they beat bums!

[Snoogans]

no you are supposed to score 100 points in college. its the only way to get respect and move up in a shitty ranking system that only rewards blow outs against not so great teams. if they didnt keep scoring maybe they drop a place or 2 because indiana sucks and the computers, coaches and writers may feel they didnt do enough against a shit school.

you all like the bcs, live by it!

Indiana came within a dropped pass of beating Iowa last week. Im sure winning 69-13 over 83-20 would not have dropped them a spot. They clearly dominated. Im not sayin shut it down at 41-13, im a fan of college football, i understand style points. Throwing a fuckin 50 yard pass with the score 69-13 is not needed. No one woulda thought any less of a 56 point win over a fuckin 63 point win. Seriously, just fuckin stop

[Snoogans]

style points still count to the writers, the coaches and the fans...

I say score 100 if you can fuck everyone right? Why should it matter they should embarrass them all. thats how teams get respect! once close game and there are assholes that say no good they beat bums!

if you really think humans would drop wisconsin cause they stopped throwing the ball up 69-13 and didnt score 80, then you are a fuckin idiot. Come on, Ant, you cant be that stupid. The different between 69-20 and83-20 isnt gonna buy them 1 fuckin vote they wouldnt have already. If anything, throwing with a 56 point lead and 7 min in the game will COST them some human votes. Impressing is one thing, but humans also see when you are being a douche. Just stop, cause Ive never seen you so wrong ever.

[sailor]

Indiana came within a dropped pass of beating Iowa last week. Im sure winning 69-13 over 83-20 would not have dropped them a spot. They clearly dominated. Im not sayin shut it down at 41-13, im a fan of college football, i understand style points. Throwing a fuckin 50 yard pass with the score 69-13 is not needed. No one woulda thought any less of a 56 point win over a fuckin 63 point win. Seriously, just fuckin stop

hey, they didn't fuckin' go for two.

[Snacks]

if you really think humans would drop wisconsin cause they stopped throwing the ball up 69-13 and didnt score 80, then you are a fuckin idiot. Come on, Ant, you cant be that stupid. The different between 69-20 and83-20 isnt gonna buy them 1 fuckin vote they wouldnt have already. If anything, throwing with a 56 point lead and 7 min in the game will COST them some human votes. Impressing is one thing, but humans also see when you are being a douche. Just stop, cause Ive never seen you so wrong ever.

adding 14 more points might not help wisc but it will show how bad indiana is and maybe will hirt another team that beat indy! Iowa to to northwestern today. You can argue til you turn blue in the face and say the big 10, sec all have tougher conferences and tougher schedules but we dont know that. The only reason people think their schedules are tougher and better is because they think these teams are good. But they are not.

You all like this system so this is what you get. when teams like florida are preseason #5 and over ranked because no one waits to see how good teams are. florida is now 6-4 yeah they are good. they just got blown out at home to s carolina which we all know isnt that good either. but if florida would have won they would have won their division in the sec with a chance to play to win the sec title. yeah lets continue to give a pass to so called "big and better" conferences while fucking over teams that beat and destroy every one they play. the best team in the country is TCU! But they will need a lot of help to win a title. Same as Boise!

Until they create a playoff system you will never truly know who the best team is. You cant argue conference is so much better when team like Iowa, Florida, LSU get ranked so high because of what they did in the past not the present. These over rankings falsely create conferences to be and look better then they are. Play it on the field. If Florida pounds TCU then they are better but if they dont play and Florida has even 1 lose then sorry TCU Boise etc are better or at least deserve a chance first to prove they are!

[ozzie]

I gotta admit, I didn't watch a second of the Wisky game, but my jaw dropped when I saw the 83 on the screen.

Wisky/Mich State/Ohio State are all sitting there with one loss. The highest ranked team in the BCS is their "champion".

I gotta think that was weighing on their play calling decisions.

"Margin of victory" doesn't mean dick in the computers... but human voters are lazy and easily swayed. Case in point... "Dr. Lou and Mayday" (cringe) both already moved wisky into their top 5.

[epo]

but if florida would have won they would have won their division in the sec with a chance to play to win the sec title. yeah lets continue to give a pass to so called "big and better" conferences while fucking over teams that beat and destroy every one they play. the best team in the country is TCU! But they will need a lot of help to win a title. Same as Boise!

Until they create a playoff system you will never truly know who the best team is. You cant argue conference is so much better when team like Iowa, Florida, LSU get ranked so high because of what they did in the past not the present. These over rankings falsely create conferences to be and look better then they are. Play it on the field. If Florida pounds TCU then they are better but if they dont play and Florida has even 1 lose then sorry TCU Boise etc are better or at least deserve a chance first to prove they are!

I say a prayer every night that the Badgers play either TCU or Boise State in a BCS Bowl. I would like to see them score 83 again, and that might be my best chance.

[SP1!]

I say a prayer every night that the Badgers play either TCU or Boise State in a BCS Bowl. I would like to see them score 83 again, and that might be my best chance.

I want to see LSU against them in the sugar bowl, how many BSU players would get knocked out of that game?

Fucking john chavis, how I wish UGA would have thrown $3 million to get him, the man is probably the best defensive coach in college football in 20 years.

[Snoogans]

I gotta admit, I didn't watch a second of the Wisky game, but my jaw dropped when I saw the 83 on the screen.

Wisky/Mich State/Ohio State are all sitting there with one loss. The highest ranked team in the BCS is their "champion".

I gotta think that was weighing on their play calling decisions.

"Margin of victory" doesn't mean dick in the computers... but human voters are lazy and easily swayed. Case in point... "Dr. Lou and Mayday" (cringe) both already moved wisky into their top 5.

they woulda done that if the final was 75-20 instead of 83. Again, I get style points. If the game was 49-13 with 7 min left, id have no problem. Once you are up 56 fuckin points, winning by 63 isnt gonna buy another human vote you already hadnt bought by whipping ass. It wont really help them in the human polls, that last TD, and could cause humans to be disgusted and drop them.

Again, I understand style points, and that wasnt style points. Not a single fuckin vote woulda been lost if they just ran the ball the last 8 min. Not one. Dont give me that bullshit cause its nonsense. 56 vs 63, its not like it was 36 vs 63. Just stop

[JimBeam]

That Indiana/Wisconsin score was crazy but I didn't see any of it.

I'm winda with whoever said it earlier about the fact that it was probably a backup player getting some reps.

While I do think you should try and ground it out and noy try to go for the kill I also don't think you should have to completely lie down.

The injury factor is a main reason. You're taking your offesive line and RBs and having them just go into a pile and that could present a chance for either a cheap shot or just an injury in general. Flip side when you send your defense out there just because you don't wanna move the ball. Now your defenders run the risk of getting hurt by playing more than they would/should.

I don't think I'd approach it in a way that said " Hey well they're not so good so let me throw them a bone and not try and do anything. "

It's a shitty deal but I'd think that the coach of Wisconsin had no idea it'd get that bad. But I can also see Indiana's coach getting pissed when he saw a pass being thrown and he'd have some right to that feeling.

I don't think style points came into the equation at all. Maybe if Indiana was highly ranked you run it up on them a bit but nobody's taking a huge win over them too serioulsy.

[Snoogans]

it wasnt just a pass. it was 69-13 with 7 min left in the 4th and they fuckin went deep for an 80 yard TD. At what point is the D not even tryin? Those kids would be better gettin reps in practice vs a real d

[JimBeam]

They had a stat on ESPNU this morning that showed in a basketball game between Indiana and Wisconsin back in February Wisconsin scored 83 points.

Looks like Big 10 football is trying to mirror basketball.

[epo]

it wasnt just a pass. it was 69-13 with 7 min left in the 4th and they fuckin went deep for an 80 yard TD. At what point is the D not even tryin? Those kids would be better gettin reps in practice vs a real d

It was a pass on 3rd and 6 with the 4th stringers in the game. Indiana covered everything but the kid going deep so the QB made a good read (and actually threw a shitty ball).

I get the fact that the play shouldn't have been called, but honestly the Indiana players were just standing around for much of the second half. That lack of effort drove up the scoring total and that responsibility lies at the feet of the Indiana coach.

[JimBeam]

I was hoping Cal would've pulled off that upset last night.

Fucking FG kickers are the worst.

Was hoping that Stanford would've lost too.

Good news is Or St lost to a shitty Wash St team ( that had lost 16 straight PAC10 games ) so that should hurt Boise St.

ND played well in that game against Utah but you could see how their defense is slow and late on reactions at times and that's why they aren't beating elite teams. This was their 1st win against a ranked team since 2004 ( yikes ).

[JimBeam]

I just saw that Boise St jumped TCU in the AP poll.

I guess beating a team that was 7-2 ( San Diego St ) isn't as important as beating a team that was 4-5 ( Idaho ).

And I took a look at SDS's schedule and they haven't played any FCS teams like Va Tech, the win Boise St is getting so much credit for.

[ozzie]

I just saw that Boise St jumped TCU in the AP poll.

I guess beating a team that was 7-2 ( San Diego St ) isn't as important as beating a team that was 4-5 ( Idaho ).

And I took a look at SDS's schedule and they haven't played any FCS teams like Va Tech, the win Boise St is getting so much credit for.

Not just the AP, but also in the Coaches and Harris polls.

Someone please tell me again how "margin of victory" doesn't matter to the human voters.

Or, better yet, tell that to TCU.


And I checked the stats on the Wisconsin game... their back up QB came in and threw THREE passes.

THREE.

One of those went for 74 yards and made sportscenter, but some of you are making it out like they were out there playing the old run-and-shoot, hurry up offense until the final gun sounded.

[Snacks]

Not just the AP, but also in the Coaches and Harris polls.

Someone please tell me again how "margin of victory" doesn't matter to the human voters.

Or, better yet, tell that to TCU.


And I checked the stats on the Wisconsin game... their back up QB came in and threw THREE passes.

THREE.

One of those went for 74 yards and made sportscenter, but some of you are making it out like they were out there playing the old run-and-shoot, hurry up offense until the final gun sounded.

it does and thats why these teams SHOULD blow out teams and run the score up if they can. When you bring a voting system into the equation instead of a playoff you then get this shit. 1 of the many reasons anyone who like the current system is a fucking retard!

[JimBeam]

Someone please tell me again how "margin of victory" doesn't matter to the human voters.

Or, better yet, tell that to TCU.

What bothers me is that it wasn't like TCU was playing a shitty team. They were playing a team that was 7-2 that beat Air Force which hung strong w/ Oklahoma.

They beat SDS by more than Boise St beat Va Tech which is a 2 loss team just like SDS ( w/o the previously mentioned game, I mean loss, to an FCS school ).

[JimBeam]

Do you ever wonder why a playoff was never though of long before the BCS ?

Because it doesn't make sense and nobody wants except a handful of people that just want to challenge the system.

Even before it was realized that there was money to be made from the bowls a playoff was never considered and there was no problem with crwoning a champion. Sure you had disagreements over who the champion was but that's the nature of a sport in which you don't play the exact same schedules, or close to it, as your peers.

There is no playoff, there never will be, there's no need for one and college football will still be around 100 years from now.

[ozzie]

Are you serious?

I've been listening to people screaming about the need for a playoff since BYU won the MNC by beating an un-ranked, 6 - 5 Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl in 1984.

[JimBeam]

People ?

The guy sitting next to you at work doesn't have the pull that the media and schools have.

If these " people " you hear talking about it were as plentiful as you'd make it seem I'm sure the idea would've come about before the BCS.

The BCS is only around for what 18 years now ?

What the hell happened for the 100 years before that ?

How did the game ever survive and become as huge as it is today w/o your beloved playoff ?

There was no talk, none at all, from anybody in the sport or that covered it when FSU was named national champion over Notre Dame in a year when ND beat them head to head.

Nobody said " Man they really should've had a playoff so that we could sort it out. "

No the thought was either that ND should've in fact been the champion or that FSU got it because ND shouldn't have lost to Boston College.

[underdog]

People ?

The guy sitting next to you at work doesn't have the pull that the media and schools have.

If these " people " you hear talking about it were as plentiful as you'd make it seem I'm sure the idea would've come about before the BCS.

The BCS is only around for what 18 years now ?

What the hell happened for the 100 years before that ?

How did the game ever survive and become as huge as it is today w/o your beloved playoff ?

There was no talk, none at all, from anybody in the sport or that covered it when FSU was named national champion over Notre Dame in a year when ND beat them head to head.

Nobody said " Man they really should've had a playoff so that we could sort it out. "

No the thought was either that ND should've in fact been the champion or that FSU got it because ND shouldn't have lost to Boston College.

The only people I've ever seen that are in favor of the BCS are you and Tim Cowlishaw.

Everyone wants a playoff. It's the only true way to determine a champion. EVERY year, the champion is questioned after the last game of the year.

Not having a playoff is fucking retarded.

[JimBeam]

The only people I've ever seen that are in favor of the BCS are you and Tim Cowlishaw.

Everyone wants a playoff. It's the only true way to determine a champion. EVERY year, the champion is questioned after the last game of the year.

Not having a playoff is fucking retarded

How about you start naming some people, and I mean credible people, that have called for a playoff.

The fact is the players aren't for it, the coaches aren't for it and most analysts/reporters aren't for it.

Have you ever heard Chris Fowler, probably one of the most respected people in the game, mention it ?

And I never said I was for the BCS but in the absence of something better, not the ridiculous 16 team playoff idea, I'll stick with it.

So you're saying that for 100+ years of college football we've never had a true champion ?

Please, stop it w/ the hyperboyle.

The game is as fascinating as it gets and doesn't need a playoff.

So you can stop watching until they do your bidding but I'm sure you'll miss a great sport.

[ozzie]

Do you ever wonder why a playoff was never though of long before the BCS ?

Because it doesn't make sense and nobody wants except a handful of people that just want to challenge the system.

Even before it was realized that there was money to be made from the bowls a playoff was never considered and there was no problem with crwoning a champion. Sure you had disagreements over who the champion was but that's the nature of a sport in which you don't play the exact same schedules, or close to it, as your peers.

There is no playoff, there never will be, there's no need for one and college football will still be around 100 years from now.


What the hell do you think first forced them to "compromise", and form the first "Bowl Coalition"?

Nobody, huh? Just a "handful of people that just want to challenge the system"? No media or university presidents at all?

I guess it was just me and the guy I work with who got all of the major conferences to agree to completely re-vamping the bowl system.

You're honestly trying to say that NOBODY ever complained before 1992? Nothing reported in the media? They just came up with this new idea all on their own, huh?

Step 1 was making sure #1 played #2 in a bowl game. (To satisfy the main complaint) A head-to-head, 2-team "playoff". It began even without the Big 10 and Pac 10 being involved, and took a few years to convince them that they were being left out of a payday.

Step 2 was adding the championship game a week after the New Year's day games, with all conferences involved.

And even under the original "BCS", after they thought they had it right, they had to kick the AP out of the formula, because even with this "beloved" BCS system, there was still a "split" championship in 2003.

Step 3 WILL be a "plus one" / 4-team playoff. It WILL be brought to the table by Slive and the SEC again this year, and every year until it happens. With, or without 100% of the "major" conferences involved.

And that will last as long as it takes to figure out how to make sure all the old money guys still get theirs in an even bigger field.

I get that you fear change and all, but the system has been evolving for almost two decades now, and will continue, whether you like it or not.

[JimBeam]

I don't fear change. I fear some grabastic attempt at making things " fair " for everybody when things aren't fair to begin with.

You wanna tear the whole thing down and make just winning the games on your schedule worthy of a national championshion then you've gotta say a Harvard team that goes 10-0 is the same as a Boise St team that goes 10-0.

And if you think that's what the sport needs then I'm glad you're not making the decisions.

Don't forget that the expansion of the bows, even the non-BCS ones, was because people wanted to see the games. They weren't staying home or picketting and saying " We must have a playoff. "

Quite the opposite they still go to the games and still watch them on televsion.

[JimBeam]

first forced them to "compromise", and form the first "Bowl Coalition"?

The simple answer ? Money.

Not because Ozzie took his case to a message board and wanted to get closer to a playoff.

You can't even get all of the polls to agree and that's why we've had split championships.

So not everybody is beholden to the BCS so in that case we still are where we were in 1993.

[JimBeam]

I get that you fear change and all, but the system has been evolving for almost two decades now, and will continue, whether you like it or not.

You act like college football started 20 years ago.

The game never evolved before that ? Yet we aren't any closer to a playoff.

Find a blurb from one president of a BCS school where he says that he'd prefer to have a playoff over the current system.

[Snacks]

You act like college football started 20 years ago.

The game never evolved before that ? Yet we aren't any closer to a playoff.

Find a blurb from one president of a BCS school where he says that he'd prefer to have a playoff over the current system.

why would a bcs president speak out against a system that gives them their unfair advantage at a guaranteed chance even with 1 or 2 loses for a national championship and or other big money pay out bow games? Of course they wont because they are the problem too. All they care about is money and keeping them in and others out.

I would bet money that more people, fans and media would rather see a playoff then this current system. most of the assholes on espn even want a playoff over this shit.

[epo]

The simple answer ? Money.

Not because Ozzie took his case to a message board and wanted to get closer to a playoff.

You can't even get all of the polls to agree and that's why we've had split championships.

So not everybody is beholden to the BCS so in that case we still are where we were in 1993.

Money is the driver.

We can all say that we want a playoff. But until the NCAA figures out how to make that process more profitable than the current process, they ain't changing shit.

[ozzie]

The simple answer ? Money.

Not because Ozzie took his case to a message board and wanted to get closer to a playoff.

You can't even get all of the polls to agree and that's why we've had split championships.

So not everybody is beholden to the BCS so in that case we still are where we were in 1993.

How did the first "bowl coalition" add any money? It didn't add any games, and took a lot of interest out of the other bowls that no longer had one of the top two teams involved.

The real "simple answer", was that only like 6 times during your glorious "100 years of college football", had the #1 vs #2 match-up actually happened in a bowl game, and people were tired of having a vote decide which one was better. This, at least, corrected that major flaw, to appease disgruntled fans, coaches and schools.

You keep acting like I'm the one in the minority, or that this is something new.

From The NCAA News, December 1, 1971 (http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/NCAANewsArchive/1971/19711201.pdf)

And plenty of people have taken the case not just to petitions and message boards, but also to their senators and congressmen, and we've already gotten a house sub-committee hearing on the matter, and Orrin Hatch bringing it up in the Senate, and they've got the white house backing a Justice Department investigation into whether the BCS violates anti-trust laws.

The NCAA runs 16 team playoffs for D-IAA, D-II and D-III football. They'll have to explain why they don't for D-IA, and how the money and opportunity is available to all qualified members.

[ozzie]

Find a blurb from one president of a BCS school where he says that he'd prefer to have a playoff over the current system.

Does your google not work?

It took all of two seconds to find a list.

January, 2008 - Georgia president: Schools need to regain control of postseason (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3186232)

December, 2006 - Football Playoff Gets Push From Two Florida College Presidents (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aqszRK5jhMEY&refer=home)

Yes, that's right... a month BEFORE Florida was going to be one of the TWO precious teams involved in a MNC game... their own University President was pushing for a PLAYOFF.

University of Florida President Bernard Machen, whose football team is playing Ohio State University for this year's title on Jan. 8, and Florida State University President T.K. Wetherell, are pushing for a playoff tournament instead of a single game.

[ozzie]

Money is the driver.

We can all say that we want a playoff. But until the NCAA figures out how to make that process more profitable than the current process, they ain't changing shit.

They admit that it would be more profitable, they just worry about keeping it in the right hands (their own).

University Presidents Admit: We Like Money More than Fairness In College Football (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-henry-sterry/university-presidents-adm_b_156783.html)

"Yes," said a trusted colleague of the president of a major Southern California University, "we know there would be lots of money with a playoff system in football, but we're just not sure that all that money would end up. We know where the money is now. We have it. And we like it that way."

But a top-level administrator in the office of the president of a leading Texas University said, "Of course we could have a playoff system. Are you telling me we can figure out how to do that in water polo and curling and horseshoes for crying out loud, but we can't figure it out for football? But why should we? Do we care that Utah is undefeated and they never had a shot at the national title? Do we care about their players and fans? Do we care about any players or fans? The answer of course is, no we don't, as long as they keep giving us their cheap labor, in the case of the players, and their hard earned cash, in the case of the fans."

E. Gordon Gee, president of Ohio State University, has voiced a position which many school presidents ascribe to, when he says that he is violently and irrationally opposed to a playoff system. "We will not cross that Maginot line and get onto the slippery slope -- the professional-ization of college football and a furthering of the arms race," he said in the Columbus Dispatch. "We simply have to say no. If we don't say no to this, the horse has left the barn totally. I will vote against it under any circumstance."

However, a source high up in E. G. Gee's office said,

Professionalization? Oh yeah, we had a big laugh over that one. 'Hello, I'm the pot, you're the kettle, and I'm calling you black!' Let's face it, the billion-dollar college football industry is built on finding the most talented labor possible. And if that means greasing palms and getting alumni to buy that talent, so be it. If that means getting kids booze and babes on recruiting trips, so be it.

Because once they're our property, all we have to do is feed 'em and house 'em, make sure they don't get caught doing anything illegal, arrange so they don't have to go to any classes, and get their tutors to take their tests and write their papers. That's the beauty part, we don't actually have to even educate these kids. Just checked the graduation rates if you don't believe me.

Then after we've squeezed everything we can out of 'em, we cut them loose, and they don't cost us another penny.

Meanwhile the stadiums keep filling up, the merchandise keeps selling hand over fist, and the TV money keeps rolling in. Of course we don't want this to look like it's professionalized, because then we'd actually have to give these athletes a cut of the billions and billions of dollars they're responsible for bringing in, and by God, then where the hell would we be?

I'm here to tell you that in order to get a playoff in NCAA Division I college football, they will have to get the necessary votes from the cold dead bony fingers of the rich white men who run colleges and universities in these great United States of America. Because I mean, seriously, what kind of geniuses would we be if we killed the cash cow that's laying golden eggs?

You don't think that this is an organization that is screaming for Government intervention on behalf of the players and fans?

They're fucking asking for it!

[underdog]

Have you ever heard Chris Fowler, probably one of the most respected people in the game, mention it ?

Wow, you got me. Someone on ESPN doesn't go against the grain. That means it's a great idea. Because if ESPN is good for one thing, it's making controversial moves and statements and not doing exactly what is good for the people bringing in them money.

So you're saying that for 100+ years of college football we've never had a true champion ?

Please, stop it w/ the hyperboyle.

Every year, there is at least one team that has a beef at the team that was crowned champion.

I don't even understand how anyone could be against any type of playoff, unless you have money involved in the bowl system. A 4 or 8 team playoff would make for a couple of AMAZING weeks of football and you'd see matchups you'd probably never see, week after week.