2010 College Football thread

[Snoogans]

Not just the AP, but also in the Coaches and Harris polls.

Someone please tell me again how "margin of victory" doesn't matter to the human voters.

Or, better yet, tell that to TCU.


And I checked the stats on the Wisconsin game... their back up QB came in and threw THREE passes.

THREE.

One of those went for 74 yards and made sportscenter, but some of you are making it out like they were out there playing the old run-and-shoot, hurry up offense until the final gun sounded.

my point from the beginning was they passed. Period. Up 56 points, you shouldnt attempt 1 fuckin pass. Especially with how they were running

[ozzie]

You wanna tear the whole thing down and make just winning the games on your schedule worthy of a national championshion then you've gotta say a Harvard team that goes 10-0 is the same as a Boise St team that goes 10-0.

And if you think that's what the sport needs then I'm glad you're not making the decisions.

Harvard is a D-IAA (FCS) school, and the Ivy League doesn't participate in post-season games, so they're out.

As for the rest of the D-IAA conferences... they've had a playoff ever since the NCAA first created this sub-division in 1978, starting with a 4 team playoff, then 8 by 1981, then to 12 teams the next year, then 16 teams by 1986. 8 conference champs got automatic bids, and another 8 "at large" spots.

This year... they're going to 20 teams, with 10 conferences getting automatic bids. They're not taking away any games, just adding another round, and another week to the playoff schedule.

There are 14 conferences in the FCS. The Ivy League and SWAC don't participate, so 10 of the 12 that do, get auto-bids. The other 2 have a chance to compete for one of the 10 "at large" spots.


Seems like a pretty simple concept. You've got a division of football that includes multiple conferences, that each play their own schedules, and no way to accurately compare them, so you let each decide their own champion, and put them into brackets, and play it out at the end.

It's not what *I* think that the sport needs... it's what every other level of football has already decided is needed... except one.

[ozzie]

my point from the beginning was they passed. Period. Up 56 points, you shouldnt attempt 1 fuckin pass. Especially with how they were running

Wisconsin's starter is a Senior. Their backup is a Freshman.

The three passes he threw against Indiana brought his total to 10 passes that he's thrown in games this year. The only other action the kid saw was against Austin Peay, back in September.

No one else on Wisconsin's roster has thrown a pass in a game this year.

The backup came in on the last series of the third quarter, and played until the end, and, yes, threw three passes in those three series.

Their remaining games are @ Michigan and Northwestern, and likely the Rose Bowl after that. Not likely he'd get any reps in those.

Maybe there were other motives involved other than scoring points?

[Snoogans]

Wisconsin's starter is a Senior. Their backup is a Freshman.

The three passes he threw against Indiana brought his total to 10 passes that he's thrown in games this year. The only other action the kid saw was against Austin Peay, back in September.

No one else on Wisconsin's roster has thrown a pass in a game this year.

The backup came in on the last series of the third quarter, and played until the end, and, yes, threw three passes in those three series.

Their remaining games are @ Michigan and Northwestern, and likely the Rose Bowl after that. Not likely he'd get any reps in those.

Maybe there were other motives involved other than scoring points?

you are defending the same wisconsin team who went for 2 up like 30 with 2 min left in a game. If there was any other motive other than scoring points, it was to be a douche again

[epo]

you are defending the same wisconsin team who went for 2 up like 30 with 2 min left in a game. If there was any other motive other than scoring points, it was to be a douche again

I can't wait for Rutgers to be in the Big Ten so Wisconsin can go for 2 and throw deep up 50 against them too.

[Snoogans]

I can't wait for Rutgers to be in the Big Ten so Wisconsin can go for 2 and throw deep up 50 against them too.

Id love it. Keep in mind we have an ax on the bench. Schiano would fuckin go nuts with it

[Snacks]

Harvard is a D-IAA (FCS) school, and the Ivy League doesn't participate in post-season games, so they're out.

As for the rest of the D-IAA conferences... they've had a playoff ever since the NCAA first created this sub-division in 1978, starting with a 4 team playoff, then 8 by 1981, then to 12 teams the next year, then 16 teams by 1986. 8 conference champs got automatic bids, and another 8 "at large" spots.

This year... they're going to 20 teams, with 10 conferences getting automatic bids. They're not taking away any games, just adding another round, and another week to the playoff schedule.

There are 14 conferences in the FCS. The Ivy League and SWAC don't participate, so 10 of the 12 that do, get auto-bids. The other 2 have a chance to compete for one of the 10 "at large" spots.


Seems like a pretty simple concept. You've got a division of football that includes multiple conferences, that each play their own schedules, and no way to accurately compare them, so you let each decide their own champion, and put them into brackets, and play it out at the end.

It's not what *I* think that the sport needs... it's what every other level of football has already decided is needed... except one.

common sense, nothing more nothing less. some have it some dont. The BCS and anyone who likes it or agrees with how the bcs national championship is won has none! You cant argue against a playoff system and those that do make themselves look foolish more and more.

[JimBeam]

Common sense huh ?

Well firstly that's coming from a guy who insuated that Boise St was better than an " overrated " UF team ( which by chance has won 2 national championships 4 years ).

And all those university presidents that haven't signed off on a playoff must not have it but you do.

You're also the same guy who constantly waffles between what's happening this year and waht some team did 4 years ago.

Millions of people tune in every week, myself included, to watch all kinds of college football coverage and I never hear the respected men in the buisness ( take your pick of a Herbstreit, Fowler, Davis, etc ... ) even hint at so if I'm foolish for thinking along the same lines of the guys that have played/coached/cover the game then I guess I'm foolish.

But in the end you're still going to watch football being played the way you don't want.

So who's really foolish ?

What's also " foolish " is how you don't see that even going to an 8 team playoff won't diminsh the arguments against the current system.

You'll just change the discussion from what number of 5 teams get in to what 12 teams get in.

If you think that's bringing order to what you deem disorder then that's a shame.

[ozzie]

I never hear the respected men in the buisness ( take your pick of a Herbstreit, Fowler, Davis, etc ... ) even hint at so if I'm foolish for thinking along the same lines of the guys that have played/coached/cover the game then I guess I'm foolish.

Gee, I wonder why such impartial and "respected men" like these would not say anything against the current bowl system.


New Mexico Bowl Mountain West vs. WAC December 18 2:00 pm ET ESPN
Humanitarian Bowl MAC vs. WAC December 18 5:30 pm ET ESPN
New Orleans Bowl C-USA vs. Sun Belt December 18 9 pm ET ESPN
St. Pete Bowl Big East vs. C-USA December 21 8 pm ET ESPN
Las Vegas Bowl Mountain West vs. Pac-10 December 22 8 pm ET ESPN
Poinsettia Bowl Mountain West vs. Navy December 23 8 pm ET ESPN
Hawaii Bowl C-USA vs. WAC December 24 8 pm ET ESPN
Little Caesar's Pizza Bowl Big Ten vs. MAC December 26 8:30 pm ET ESPN
Independence Bowl ACC vs. Mountain West December 27 5 pm ET TBD
Champs Sports Bowl ACC vs. Big East December 28 6:30 pm ET ESPN
Insight Bowl Big Ten vs. Big 12 December 28 10 pm ET ESPN
Eagle Bank Bowl ^ ACC vs. C-USA December 29 2:30pm ET ESPN
Texas Bowl Big Ten vs. Big 12 December 29 6 pm ET ESPN
Alamo Bowl Big 12 vs. Pac-10 December 29 9:15 pm ESPN
Armed Forces Bowl C-USA vs. Mountain West December 30 12 noon ESPN
New Era Pinstripe Bowl Big 12 vs. Big East December 30 3:20 pm ET ESPN
Music City Bowl ACC vs. SEC December 30 6:40 pm ET ESPN
Holiday Bowl Big 12 vs. Pac-10 December 30 10 pm ET ESPN
Meineke Bowl ACC vs. Big East December 31 Noon ET ESPN
Sun Bowl ACC vs. Pac-10 December 31 2 pm ET CBS
Liberty Bowl C-USA vs. SEC December 31 3:30 pm ET ESPN
Chick-fil-A Bowl ACC vs. SEC December 31 TBD TBD
Dallas Football Classic Big Ten vs. Big 12 January 1 Noon ET ESPNU
Outback Bowl Big Ten vs. SEC January 1 1 pm ET ABC
Capital One Bowl Big Ten vs. SEC January 1 1 pm ET ESPN
Gator Bowl Big Ten vs. SEC January 1 1:30 pm ET ESPN 2
GMAC Bowl MAC vs. Sun Belt January 6 8 pm ESPN
AT&T Cotton Bowl Big 12 vs. SEC January 7 8 pm ET FOX
Papajohns.com Bowl Big East vs. SEC January 8 Noon ET ESPN
Kraft Bowl ^ Pac-10 vs. WAC January 9 9 pm ET ESPN

BCS Bowl Games

Rose Bowl BCS vs. BCS January 1 5 pm ET ESPN

Fiesta Bowl BCS vs. BCS January 1 8:30 pm ET ESPN

Orange Bowl BCS vs. BCS January 3 8:30 pm ET ESPN

Sugar Bowl BCS vs. BCS January 4 8:30 pm ESPN

Citi BCS National Championship Game BCS No. 1 vs. BCS No. 2 January 10 8:30 pm E-S-P-N!!!


Try getting your news from somewhere other than the ONE place with the MOST money to be gained.

[JimBeam]

Ohhhhhhhhhh, so now it's the great ESPN conspiracy ? I knew the playoff talk was getting very Truther like.

Yeah because independent analysts on ESPN can't say something that their bosses disagree with ?

Have you ever seen either Around The Horn, Pardon The Interupotion or 1st Take ?

And I listen to a lot of college football talk so please don't make assumptions.

I listen to Rivals with Bill King and he rarely speaks of a playoff and almsot always dismisses it when he gets a call about it.

I listen, recently, to Paul Finebaum, from your own neck of the woods, and he's never, in all of the discussion about what teams would get screwd, has said " You know what, a playoff will make this right. "

Same thing for guys on Mad Dog Radio. I couldn't tell you that I've ever heard any of 6 hosts on that channel say they'd rather have a playoff.

But I guess they must all serve the master even if they don't work for him huh ?

[JimBeam]

Even CollegeFootballNews.com, which runs a playoff sceanrio every year, essentially puts a disclaimer saying they know it'll never happen but they do it anyway.

Again I ask you to give me some factual evidence that anybody in the sport, an AD, a coach, president, has claimed that they'd rather have a playoff.

You claim that they only want money and also claim that there's so much money to be made from a playoff yet there's not the swell of support you think there is.

[ozzie]

YOU cited your "respected men" ESPN analysts as reference. All I did was point out where their income was coming from.

And telling me that you listen to Paul Finebaum, helps explain a lot of things you've said on here, and why you have so much "respect" for Alabama and their coach.

So, let me get this right... you're waiting for a radio or tv sports host or analyst to tell you what to think?

Here, pick up a copy...

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college/files/2010/11/sportsillustratedcover.jpg

[Snoogans]

i think we should go the other way. Lets go back to how it was before the BCS. lets arbitrarily just pick a champion, sometimes co champions, sometimes that never even played each other. I cant wait for Rutgers to get that ellusive Tangerine bowl bid

[ozzie]

Again I ask you to give me some factual evidence that anybody in the sport, an AD, a coach, president, has claimed that they'd rather have a playoff.

Go back a page.

You asked for a "blurb from one president of a BCS school".

I gave you three.

And gave you quotes from administrators about the money to be made, and why some still opposed.

Beyond that, I'm done doing your research because you don't read the answers anyway.

[KnoxHarrington]

i think we should go the other way. Lets go back to how it was before the BCS. lets arbitrarily just pick a champion, sometimes co champions, sometimes that never even played each other. I cant wait for Rutgers to get that ellusive Tangerine bowl bid

I think that often, the "traditional" bowl alignment would end up with better matchups than this BCS nonsense does. It wouldn't give us a fake-ass "national championship game" this year, because if it plays out, Auburn would end up in the Sugar Bowl and Oregon in the Rose Bowl, but the BCS "Championship" game doesn't look like it's going to end up being a completely obvious "championship" either.

[JimBeam]

Wait you shit on ESPN and then want me to take SI, which pays that retard Peter King to write a weekly column about his travels on a train, as the gospel ?

I did miss your post about the people pro playoff because when I refreshed I only saw where the Wisconsin game was dicussed so I apologize for that.

I move around and if Finebaum's gonna talk college football while the other channels are talking NBA or some other nonsense I'll gladly listen.

I don't need them to tell me how to think, I know that the thought of a playoff is ridiculous.

You're not comparing like things so doing it the way Grand Valley St does it doesn't make sense.

Look at it this way. You're a salemen for a company and you're landing million dollar sales. Your coworker is also a salesman and brings in 1/100th of what you bring in. You think that when it comes time for your bosses to pick who of you is there better salesmen that you wouldn't be pissed to be compared evenly to him ?

And no my argument is not that BCS schools generate more money than non-AQs ( they do, by far, but that's not the tangent I'm discussing ). It's that they do more, on a week to week basis, against, for the most part, equivalent teams than do the non-AQ schools.

Somebody brought up the NFC West and whether they should be allowed in the NFL playoffs since that division sucks so bad ( a point I raised last week ) and the answer is yes because other than the teams in their divison they are forced to play 10 others some of which are the best in the league. When I raised the validity of the NFC West it was if they should be allowed to compete for a title if they only played a schedule against teams in the NFC West. That obvioulsy couldn't happen but that's the point.

So unless you come up with a way to factor in a 1 loss LSU team against a 1 loss team from the MWC you're playoff is more of a sham than anything we have now or ever had.

Simply winning a league w/ teams that have sub-.500 non-conference records should not elevate you to the level of a team that has a .900+ record against non-conference teams yet lost 1 game to an undefeated team in the same league.

[JimBeam]

And if it becomes a case where the current BCS teams are forced to play only within their league or schedule the cupcakeiest of cupckaes every year there goes any chance of seeing a great non-conferecne game during the regular season.

That in turn will hurt the mid-majors that look forward to their beatings because they get money and it helps them build their programs.

I for one would rather see a USC/Oh St type of game in September than watch 12 weeks of USC/Wash St and Oh St/Indiana waiting for good games just so that Boise St can feel like they belong.

It's not Little League. Everybody doesn't deserve to be considered a champion.

[Snacks]

And if it becomes a case where the current BCS teams are forced to play only within their league or schedule the cupcakeiest of cupckaes every year there goes any chance of seeing a great non-conferecne game during the regular season.

That in turn will hurt the mid-majors that look forward to their beatings because they get money and it helps them build their programs.

I for one would rather see a USC/Oh St type of game in September than watch 12 weeks of USC/Wash St and Oh St/Indiana waiting for good games just so that Boise St can feel like they belong.

It's not Little League. Everybody doesn't deserve to be considered a champion.

Then why fucking have 120 division 1 schools if your logic is only 20 or 30 from the 4 major conferences should even get a chance because they play each other?

Schools play who is in their conference. Like Ozzie said let them figure out their own champion and then have them play each other. If every year a 3rd or 4th place team gets screwed in your opinion, at least an undefeated Boise or TCU you wont.

I think thats the biggest prblem every one has. At the end of the day it doesnt matter who you play if you win every game in front of you and dont at least get a chance at a title, then your system is fucked up and something needs to change.

You say a team from the NFC west deserves a playoff spot because they play other divisions. That doesnt mean they beat the teams in those divisions. Boise plays other teams from other Conferences like oh V Tech and beat them. But nothing is ever enough for the likes of you.

Just like the AFC east or NFC east which usually is the toughest divisions in the pros usually only 2 teams make it. Look at NE 2 years ago, they went 11-5 and didnt make the playoffs. It happens. All season long NE, Miami, NYJ beat up on each other 2 times a year. Because that division is so tough someone gets left out. Miami has beaten GB and Minn on the road. GB will make the playoffs a lot easier then Miami because the conference and division is easier.

Sometimes you get screwed being in a tougher division or conference. But the best team in that division or conference doesnt. Usually not even the 2nd best team. But if your the 3rd or 4th best team in a tough conference too bad. When you are undefeated and the best team in your conference you deserve a shot. You cant fuck over an undefeated team time and time again so a team with 2 loses automatically gets the better game because so voting system thought they were good!

And yes Boise st is MUCH Better then Florida. Undefeated and killing teams vs a 4 lose Florida team with no impressive victories this year.

As for brining up the past. I bring it up to say how they got screwed that specific year. Not how that gives the a right to be ranked high this year. Thats the difference. Boise proves it every year on the field. Teams like Bama, Florida get over ranked because people think they deserve it just because of their history not their current team or what they have done now!.

[CountryBob]

Who's winning this "my dick is bigger than yours" fight? I cant tell....???

[Snoogans]

Who's winning this "my dick is bigger than yours" fight? I cant tell....???
whichever one has the darkest skin

[JimBeam]

As for brining up the past. I bring it up to say how they got screwed that specific year. Not how that gives the a right to be ranked high this year. Thats the difference. Boise proves it every year on the field. Teams like Bama, Florida get over ranked because people think they deserve it just because of their history not their current team or what they have done now!.

You again hang on Boise St's win in a bowl from 4 years ago and say that UF and Bama are over-ranked after rolling undefeated or 1 loss teams in their bowl games ?

Since your Boise St over Oklahoma win UF has gone 2-1 in bowl games ( compared to Boise St's 1-2 ) and that includes beating a 12-1 Oklahoma team for the national title and beating a 12-0 Cincinnati team.

The teams from the SEC don't prove it every year ? Despite winning the majority of their bowl games year in and year out ? Despite losing only 5 out of 40 non-conference games this season ?

A few years ago the Big 12 touted 3 11-1 teams and one of those, Texas Tech ( ranked #7 at the time ), was rolled by an Ole Miss team that was 5-3 in conference.

Again go back to the last time a flavor of the year WAC team thought it was great ( Hawaii ) and you see that they had their asses handed to them by a UGA team playing in a game for which they had little emotion other than to beat an undefeated team.

You're held accountable for what the teams you play do. So while Boise St can only play the teams in that conference those teams are expected to go out and win their games against teams not in their conference if they want to be considered even remotely worthy of respect.

When as SP has pointed out half your league is homecoming fodder for the BCS it says something about how good you are.

It says a lot more than saying that teams are scared to play you yet you can't produce anything saying as much.

There shouldn't be 120 D1 teams. I'd have no problem dropping plenty of teams.

[SP1!]

Are you serious?

I've been listening to people screaming about the need for a playoff since BYU won the MNC by beating an un-ranked, 6 - 5 Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl in 1984.
People want a playoff but '84 is stretching it, I always thought the NCAA was looking at playoff feasibility using I-AA. There had to be something done because of shit like that and teams that really never deserved to be number 1.

You act like college football started 20 years ago.

The game never evolved before that ? Yet we aren't any closer to a playoff.

Find a blurb from one president of a BCS school where he says that he'd prefer to have a playoff over the current system.
Yeah the ACC and SEC both wanted it or at least a plus 1 system, if the big 12 would have went along with it they would be a more viable conference and we would have had the plus 1. Instead to big 10 bluffed the big 12 and now the big 12 probably wont exist in 5 years.

I would love a playoff but I dont think all champions get in, have a bcs in and then a smaller mini tournament for mid majors to play in for 2 spots while the big conferences are doing their final games. That would be their punishment for playing shit teams all year, to say they deserve an automatic bid because you won the wac/mac/c-usa is just insane.

[Snoogans]

People want a playoff but '84 is stretching it, I always thought the NCAA was looking at playoff feasibility using I-AA. There had to be something done because of shit like that and teams that really never deserved to be number 1.


Yeah the ACC and SEC both wanted it or at least a plus 1 system, if the big 12 would have went along with it they would be a more viable conference and we would have had the plus 1. Instead to big 10 bluffed the big 12 and now the big 12 probably wont exist in 5 years.

I would love a playoff but I dont think all champions get in, have a bcs in and then a smaller mini tournament for mid majors to play in for 2 spots while the big conferences are doing their final games. That would be their punishment for playing shit teams all year, to say they deserve an automatic bid because you won the wac/mac/c-usa is just insane.

that shit would take too long.

The tourney couldnt be more than 8 teams cause they would never pass it and use the excuse it would take too much more time away from education. Even 16, which it should be, they will say is too long. You can run an 8 team tourney in the same time the bowls go on, and between fall and spring semesters. That one works.

Keep the BCS period. Fuck the conf, fuck whatever. Top 8 schools in the BCS rankings get in. Any mid major who is undefeated always ends up at least in the top 8 now. So they couldnt cry anymore. And it wouldnt be unfair cause when a conference had a dogshit year (im lookin at you Big East), they wouldnt get a team in. So fuck em.

thats assuming we use current structure. If I was really to do it, I would form the whole thing into 6 big conferences, with power schools and mid majors in each conf. Win the conf, you get a bid into the 8 team tourney.

Then use the next 2 highest ranked schools by BCS formula to fill the wild card spots.

And also have the 6 power conf geographic, since we are mixing all the schools into super conferences.

[JimBeam]

What Snoogans says about the Top 8 makes sense but I see that as casuing a bitch session about the #9 and #10 teams.

Add to that the other point that BCS teams won't play mid-majors for fear of it not helping them as much as rolling a less than mid-major just to get the win

Things would be better under the current system if they penalized teams for playing FCS teams ( Va Tech because they're relevant but I know Ole Miss and Michigan did it this year ).

Add to that you should be severely penalized if you schedule and then lose to an FCS team.

[CountryBob]

whichever one has the darkest skin

Haha - I'm an English white guy. Doomed from birth.

I like the idea of the top 8 or 10 after all the bowl games (minus the championship game of course) to have a playoff. Run this shit till February, give us a true champion and make me happy with more football.

[Snoogans]

What Snoogans says about the Top 8 makes sense but I see that as casuing a bitch session about the #9 and #10 teams.

Add to that the other point that BCS teams won't play mid-majors for fear of it not helping them as much as rolling a less than mid-major just to get the win

Things would be better under the current system if they penalized teams for playing FCS teams ( Va Tech because they're relevant but I know Ole Miss and Michigan did it this year ).

Add to that you should be severely penalized if you schedule and then lose to an FCS team.

they would bitch about 17 and 18 or 33 and 34. they bitch about 67 or whatever the fuck basketball is doin now. Oh well. dont lose that game if you wanna be in. you were 93th, tough shit. its alot easier to shut that down than tell the number 3 they dont have a chance

[JimBeam]

I agree that if you went to 16 teams you really couldn't get a valid argument from a 17th or 18th team but 16 games is just not logisitically possible.

I still think that 8 might squeeze out a team that had 1 bad game in place of a team that hadn't played anybody w/ less than 4 losses.

But if it ever did get to that I'm sure the coaches and voters, that pay attention, would start putting more empasis on the rankings and not just seeing the scores.

[Snoogans]

I agree that if you went to 16 teams you really couldn't get a valid argument from a 17th or 18th team but 16 games is just not logisitically possible.

I still think that 8 might squeeze out a team that had 1 bad game in place of a team that hadn't played anybody w/ less than 4 losses.

But if it ever did get to that I'm sure the coaches and voters, that pay attention, would start putting more empasis on the rankings and not just seeing the scores.

and you have to satisfy everyone. You cant just eliminate the BCS cause contracts and money. I have a whole plan for it, ill lay it out one day, how to make money for everything involved, including and offer the Rose Bowl would jump at. And I will lay out how id do it with 6 super conferences too

[SP1!]

that shit would take too long.

Well you take 4 mid major conferences and have two games that allow 2 more teams in then take 6 from the 4 majors and 2 at large or let the other 2 mid majors play off more and take that single one.

At least they could be included and its only 2 more weeks at most and can be done in mid december then have the rest of the playoffs start the day after christmas then have a break between the final 4 and the last game. Start in mid december and over by mid january, to lead into the superbowl.

That would be too simple though and they would never go for it but you can bet it would surpass march madness in terms of wasted time and money made.

[Snoogans]

college football live is about to announce new admissions from cam Newtons dad

[JimBeam]

I went back and looked at the playoff format that Ozzie posted last week :

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5369/ncaaplayoffbracket11081.jpg

The reason this won't work, even if you say only the 1st round is on the higher ranked team's home field, is because there's too much travel.

Think about the path Oregon's fans would have to take.

They'd have Troy at home and they'd win. Then they'd have to travel to an undisclosed location for a game against LSU. Win there and then another undisclosed location against Boise St. Lastly they'd get to their final destination and play for the title in another city.

You're asking fans to spend money on flights and hotels on 3 consectutive weekends ?

Maybe, maybe you'd get a team w/ a rabid following to make that trip twice but there's no way fans of Pitt, if they won their 1st 2 games, would travel all across the country following their team.

You can't compare these games to bowl games because bowl games to most teams are a once a year thing and people get excited for them. A Pitt fan would love to go to New Orleans for a Sugar Bowl because it's New Orleans and any excuse to go there is enough.

You think a Pitt fan is gonna go to Boise ID and then look forward to going Tuscon AZ the following week ?

And again if you say these games replace the major bowls you think a major sponsor wants to slap their name on a Boise St/Pitt game or a TCU/UCF game ?

Even if the NCAA considered this they'd make the games regional like they do in baseball ( not sure if they put much consideration to location when discussing basketball ). So Oregon, Boise St, Stanford and maybe a low seed would wind up in the same " bracket ".

[Snoogans]

apparently Cam Newton's dad told the FBI he did indeed ask for money

[JimBeam]

The thing is are they going to ding the kid for that. I mean if they determine that the kid was completely unaware of what was going on what will they do ?

It's a tough call.

You can't have people buying players but I'd hate to see a kid get screwed because his dad was a POS.

[Snoogans]

The thing is are they going to ding the kid for that. I mean if they determine that the kid was completely unaware of what was going on what will they do ?

It's a tough call.

You can't have people buying players but I'd hate to see a kid get screwed because his dad was a POS.

but the other allegations alleged he DID know what his dad was doin.

In general, if he didnt know, im not sure what the penalties would be, if any. if he did know, its ugly

[JimBeam]

I still can't see how a school would pay $200K for a guy that had a history of trouble.

Plus they couldn't have had any idea he was gonna have such a good season so what if they had paid that and gotten a stiff like Jordan Jefferson ?

If Chizik ( sp ?? ) had any knowledge at all he's a moron.

You're trying to build/rebuild a prgram and you make a stupid move like this ?

A player you'll only have for 2 years at the most ?

What it also does is kill the chemistry in your locker room.

Surely kids start to resent him/the coach because they're probably like " I came here and I didn't get any money. "

[Snoogans]

I still can't see how a school would pay $200K for a guy that had a history of trouble.

Plus they couldn't have had any idea he was gonna have such a good season so what if they had paid that and gotten a stiff like Jordan Jefferson ?

If Chizik ( sp ?? ) had any knowledge at all he's a moron.

You're trying to build/rebuild a prgram and you make a stupid move like this ?

A player you'll only have for 2 years at the most ?

What it also does is kill the chemistry in your locker room.

Surely kids start to resent him/the coach because they're probably like " I came here and I didn't get any money. "

i bet it comes out they only paid like 20K

[Snoogans]

I still can't see how a school would pay $200K for a guy that had a history of trouble.

Plus they couldn't have had any idea he was gonna have such a good season so what if they had paid that and gotten a stiff like Jordan Jefferson ?

If Chizik ( sp ?? ) had any knowledge at all he's a moron.

You're trying to build/rebuild a prgram and you make a stupid move like this ?

A player you'll only have for 2 years at the most ?

What it also does is kill the chemistry in your locker room.

Surely kids start to resent him/the coach because they're probably like " I came here and I didn't get that much money. "

fixed it for you

[Snacks]

The thing is are they going to ding the kid for that. I mean if they determine that the kid was completely unaware of what was going on what will they do ?

It's a tough call.

You can't have people buying players but I'd hate to see a kid get screwed because his dad was a POS.

I agree but you know the ncaa they will do as they please.

Why did the FBI get involved in the 1st place. They should have much more important things to do.

Funny his father is all about Jesus and religion, hes a fucking preacher or owns a church. Something like that. Got to love religious people who claim to be so high and mighty. They hide behind religion which gives them all this false cover to people. When they are truly the worst type of people!

Even if the father asked for money before from other schools if there isnt any proof he got it will he still get in trouble? Asking for money is one thing but if he never got any from the school who goes to I have to think he cant get in trouble or be ineligible?

[JimBeam]

My only thought is that the FBI got involved due to possible interstate communications revolving around the money and he fact that money changed hands w/o the gov't getting their part.

[Snacks]

My only thought is that the FBI got involved due to possible interstate communications revolving around the money and he fact that money changed hands w/o the gov't getting their part.

ok as long as they didnt get involved because his father, the colleges or even the player did something against NCAA rules.

[JimBeam]

Yeah I wouldn't think that was their angle.

Now maybe some people pulled some strings or called in some favors and got them to look into the matter when they normally would've ignored it.

If they were concerned about the money factor I'm sure it's blanket covered by some Homeland Security issue that allows them to look into it.

[ozzie]

I would love a playoff but I dont think all champions get in, have a bcs in and then a smaller mini tournament for mid majors to play in for 2 spots while the big conferences are doing their final games. That would be their punishment for playing shit teams all year, to say they deserve an automatic bid because you won the wac/mac/c-usa is just insane.

Something like... this?

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/8473/ncaaplayoffbracket11091.jpg

[ozzie]

My only thought is that the FBI got involved due to possible interstate communications revolving around the money and he fact that money changed hands w/o the gov't getting their part.

Since we're speculating and everything...

The FBI would also get involved if someone was being blackmailed.

Say, if some scumbag agent was in debt, and threatened to go public with a bunch of bullshit unless a future NFL player and his family agreed to certain conditions.

We have as much or more evidence to support THIS as anything else being "speculated" right now.

Seriously... check out the credibility of some of the "informants" named.

[Snoogans]

Since we're speculating and everything...

The FBI would also get involved if someone was being blackmailed.

Say, if some scumbag agent was in debt, and threatened to go public with a bunch of bullshit unless a future NFL player and his family agreed to certain conditions.

We have as much or more evidence to support THIS as anything else being "speculated" right now.

Seriously... check out the credibility of some of the "informants" named.

i dont know a ton about it. I just know college football live said that Cam's father admitted he did it. So no matter what informants say or dont, they said HE himself admitted to it

[ozzie]

How about using the BCS ranking (or similar) system to "seed" teams, and making the lower ranked teams "play in"?

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/8473/ncaaplayoffbracket11091.jpg

I swore I'd putten dates on this. I guess I didn't save the changes. But I think someone was saying that a playoff would have to cut regular season games, and I don't think that it would.

My suggestion, to satisfy the current bowl sites, and the argument that you can't run a playoff during final exams (which is BS, but whatever), was to have the first play-in the week after the conference championship games, the next around xmas, and host the quarterfinals at the current BCS bowl sites, ALL on New Year's day. They play a lot more than 4 that day now.

Give them 8 - 10 days until the next round, and another 8 - 10 before the championship game. Rotate out the locations for the semi-finals and let cities/stadiums bid on hosting the championship game each year.

I know what you're saying about the strength of the conferences, but this year, it just so happens TCU and Boise are more deserving than whomever ends up winning the Big East and the ACC.

I get that the WAC is traditionally weak and all, but no way does the Big East or ACC deserve "AQ" status either.

At least with this... say if South Carolina wins the SECCG, the SEC would still be represented in a playoff.

[ozzie]

i dont know a ton about it. I just know college football live said that Cam's father admitted he did it. So no matter what informants say or dont, they said HE himself admitted to it

Yeah, I get that, but there is still no evidence of any money exchanging hands.

What I'm suggesting (since that's all anyone is doing right now) is that MAYBE one or all of the people involved (Kenny Rogers, John Bond, Bill Bell, and "2 MSU recruiters") were trying to blackmail the Newtons.

Down here, it's common knowledge that MSU never stoppped "recruiting" Cam all the way until signing day.

Again... if they were so appaulled by a request for money in November, why still "recruit" him to come to your school until the first week in February? Why not report this to the NCAA immediately?

Or... just maybe, there were seriously hurt feelings when they didn't make a deal, and this turned into "come play at MSU or we'll report the request for cash to the NCAA" blackmail threat.

Cecil knows he's guilty of making the request, but also fearing a smear campaign against him and his son, so he reports that people are trying to blackmail him.

The FBI starts snooping around Rogers (who is already being investigated by the NFLPA), he starts giving info and other names, ending with the FBI going back to ask Cecil to confirm just what dirt this scumbag had on him (asked for cash), and he admits to that to support his charges.


It's really no more far-fetched an idea than anything else. If we're going to play the "guilty until proven innocent" game, I'd say that Rogers and a lot of people at MSU are guilty right now.

And there is still nothing to imply that Cam or Auburn did anything wrong during all of this.

I'm pretty sure there is a "no solicitation rule", as some have reported. We'll see what happens next. All I know is that Auburn has found no reason not to continue to play him.

[Snoogans]

Yeah, I get that, but there is still no evidence of any money exchanging hands.

What I'm suggesting (since that's all anyone is doing right now) is that MAYBE one or all of the people involved (Kenny Rogers, John Bond, Bill Bell, and "2 MSU recruiters") were trying to blackmail the Newtons.

Down here, it's common knowledge that MSU never stoppped "recruiting" Cam all the way until signing day.

Again... if they were so appaulled by a request for money in November, why still "recruit" him to come to your school until the first week in February? Why not report this to the NCAA immediately?

Or... just maybe, there were seriously hurt feelings when they didn't make a deal, and this turned into "come play at MSU or we'll report the request for cash to the NCAA" blackmail threat.

Cecil knows he's guilty of making the request, but also fearing a smear campaign against him and his son, so he reports that people are trying to blackmail him.

The FBI starts snooping around Rogers (who is already being investigated by the NFLPA), he starts giving info and other names, ending with the FBI going back to ask Cecil to confirm just what dirt this scumbag had on him (asked for cash), and he admits to that to support his charges.


It's really no more far-fetched an idea than anything else. If we're going to play the "guilty until proven innocent" game, I'd say that Rogers and a lot of people at MSU are guilty right now.

And there is still nothing to imply that Cam or Auburn did anything wrong during all of this.

I'm pretty sure there is a "no solicitation rule", as some have reported. We'll see what happens next. All I know is that Auburn has found no reason not to continue to play him.

there is a no solicitation rule. However its not as broad.

For example, if Newton's dad received money, even if cam didnt know he is ineligible.

However, it doesnt specifically say thats the case if someone ASKED and he didnt know and they never received.

In my opinion, that solicitation rule is fuckin bullshit anyway. The whole point is for the NCAA to make sure everyone remains an amateur. Who gives a fuck what someone asks for if they dont get it? If you dont receive any benefit, you are still a fuckin amateur.

Fuck, when I was a kid, at an autograph thing, I asked Bill Parcells if he would sign me. He didnt, but I asked. I guess im a pro football player

[ozzie]

IF somehow this crazy scenario is true, people close to MSU would know that this would look just as badly on them as it would the Newtons, so it would have been a "mexican standoff"... which would explain why Cecil didn't believe they would come forward with this, and why none of this was reported until July, when, quite possibly, someone was forced into talking because of other allegations (blackmail?).

Rumor is that Mullen and Bond were talked into coming forward with this by other interested parties. It was first being reported that there was a three way conversation that included Urban Meyer, and how UF could help turn this around onto the Newtons by adding info about Cam's academic (cheating) record from his freshman and sophomore years at UF (which is more than just an NCAA violation) to help build their case in the court of public opinion.

And interesting that he was never academically ineligble at UF.

They thought that the story would come out eventually, so rather than wait, they'd beat them to the punch and try to point all of the blame on the Newtons, and smear their names, while claiming that Bond "did the right thing" by reporting this to officials at MSU. (Although they leave out any details about when these officials notified the NCAA)

Lou Holtz already outed Meyer/UF's involvement by admitting that he knew about the Cam story way before it hit the press after talking to people at UF.


Again... just speculating.

[Snoogans]

IF somehow this crazy scenario is true, people close to MSU would know that this would look just as badly on them as it would the Newtons, so it would have been a "mexican standoff"... which would explain why Cecil didn't believe they would come forward with this, and why none of this was reported until July, when, quite possibly, someone was forced into talking because of other allegations (blackmail?).

Rumor is that Mullen and Bond were talked into coming forward with this by other interested parties. It was first being reported that there was a three way conversation that included Urban Meyer, and how UF could help turn this around onto the Newtons by adding info about Cam's academics (cheating) to help build their case in the court of public opinion.

They thought that the story would come out eventually, so rather than wait, they'd beat them to the punch and try to point all of the blame on the Newtons, and smear their names, while claiming that Bond "did the right thing" by reporting this to officials at MSU. (Although they leave out any details about when these officials notified the NCAA)

Lou Holtz already outed Meyer/UF's involvement by admitting that he knew about the Cam story way before it hit the press after talking to people at UF.


Again... just speculating.

not only do I think this to be entirely possible, but Urban Meyer is the type of person I would EXPECT to do some shit like that

[SP1!]

there is a no solicitation rule. However its not as broad.

For example, if Newton's dad received money, even if cam didnt know he is ineligible.

However, it doesnt specifically say thats the case if someone ASKED and he didnt know and they never received.

In my opinion, that solicitation rule is fuckin bullshit anyway. The whole point is for the NCAA to make sure everyone remains an amateur. Who gives a fuck what someone asks for if they dont get it? If you dont receive any benefit, you are still a fuckin amateur.

Well, according to this report the SEC has a solicitation rule (http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2010/11/16/1818548/cam-newton-investigation-fbi-john-bond) and if they can prove it, which the booster is claiming he had multiple meetings with Cecil then Cam is ineligible. I wish it could have come to light more before last weeks game, since without Cam UGA wins by 15.

Sorry Ozzie, it looks like Auburn may be done if the SEC sticks to its bylaws, all I have to say is "How stupid is Cam's dad?" But still, I dont believe that he did it alone with no knowledge of his son.

[SP1!]

not only do I think this to be entirely possible, but Urban Meyer is the type of person I would EXPECT to do some shit like that

Yeah I could see that too but Cam isnt exactly a stand up guy, hes a thief and a cheat(most likely) but left them in the dust once they got all the charges reduced to basically nothing.

So hes kept clean for a year and a half, big deal the inner core of a person doesnt change, especially if his father is the selfish scumbag he appears to be now, most of us are more like our fathers than we care to admit.

[JimBeam]

I don't really care who leaked the UF stuff as long as it doesn't violate any rights/rules.

And I don't care about that in this whole deal because the NCAA should've had to have made sure he was eligible before they let him go to Auburn. So if they signed off on it then they can't hold Auburn responsible for it.

While I find the cheating he did at UF kinda shady the buying the paper stuff probably happens all the time. I'm not saying I ever did it but I'm also not saying I wouldn't have if I was in a pinch.

My stake, if you call it that, is whether or not he was paid to play which to me is the worst scenario. I'd have different levels of disgust based on how much Cam actually knew but I'd still find the whole deal to be a mess.

[Snoogans]

I don't really care who leaked the UF stuff as long as it doesn't violate any rights/rules.

And I don't care about that in this whole deal because the NCAA should've had to have made sure he was eligible before they let him go to Auburn. So if they signed off on it then they can't hold Auburn responsible for it.

While I find the cheating he did at UF kinda shady the buying the paper stuff probably happens all the time. I'm not saying I ever did it but I'm also not saying I wouldn't have if I was in a pinch.

My stake, if you call it that, is whether or not he was paid to play which to me is the worst scenario. I'd have different levels of disgust based on how much Cam actually knew but I'd still find the whole deal to be a mess.
wait, what? How the fuck was the NCAA supposed to know about this before he signed? They investigate shit once they have info. What are they supposed to know about every single kid who took money before he even plays? How is that possible?

And how can you say they cant hold auburn responsible. The NCAA didnt know about reggie bush, and supposedly neither did the school, but they still were responsible. This might be the dumbest thing you ever posted.

And also, how do you know Auburn didnt give money to get him to go there. According to the reports, cam called miss st and told them his dad chose auburn cause money.

[JimBeam]

No my point is that the NCAA has to clear players before they can re-enter DI.

I don't think it's just up to the schools. I could be wrong but I'm fairly certain the NCAA makes sure that when you transfer back from a CC that you're in good standing as much as they make sure you're in good standing when you come in from HS.

How would Auburn know what happened at UF, it's its own institution ? I doubt they have open access to each other's academic records.

So if UF never said anything until recently, that the kid was in academic trouble 3 times, how could Auburn know. I mean obvioulsy they could do a complete background investigation but again I bet they rely on the NCAA's approval before they proceed.

I'm not saying that Auburn didn't pay him. I actually said that's my biggest concern in all of this.

[SP1!]

So if UF never said anything until recently, that the kid was in academic trouble 3 times, how could Auburn know. I mean obvioulsy they could do a complete background investigation but again I bet they rely on the NCAA's approval before they proceed.

I'm not saying that Auburn didn't pay him. I actually said that's my biggest concern in all of this.

All the thievery was out there for all to see and schools watch each other like hawks so Im sure they knew about the grade shit, the problem is most schools, especially one that has been down as much as AU has just wont care as long as they start winning.

[ozzie]

I don't really care who leaked the UF stuff as long as it doesn't violate any rights/rules.

It does, and they are investigating UF to find out who leaked it.

[ozzie]

And how can you say they cant hold auburn responsible. The NCAA didnt know about reggie bush, and supposedly neither did the school, but they still were responsible. This might be the dumbest thing you ever posted.

And also, how do you know Auburn didnt give money to get him to go there. According to the reports, cam called miss st and told them his dad chose auburn cause money.

The MSU guys said that Cam called them and told them that his Dad was making him go to Auburn "because of the money".

First, he'd have to be the dumbest sonofabitch in the world to tell another school that, so it doesn't seem likely.

And/or, this supposed "quote" from Cam keeps getting re-told different ways, even if it was said at all. Some phrase it to imply, "I'm going to Auburn because of the whole fucked up deal over offering us money".

Either way, there isn't a shred of testimony or proof showing any offer or money at AU.

It's just automatically assumed that if he "turned down money to play at MSU", that he somehow must have gotten a "better deal from AU".

The best testimony to de-bunk this so far has come from Bob Stoops, who said OU recruited Cam as hard as any other school, and there was no request for money at all from the Newtons.

[ozzie]

So if UF never said anything until recently, that the kid was in academic trouble 3 times, how could Auburn know. I mean obvioulsy they could do a complete background investigation but again I bet they rely on the NCAA's approval before they proceed.

Funny that he was never on academic probation at UF before Meyer knew he was leaving.

All AU has to do is get his grades and transcript from Blinn CC. And, yes, there is an NCAA clearinghouse that approves that he is eligible to play.

They do the same thing for HS seniors too. A lot don't make the grades, and go to Juco's because of this.

[ozzie]

especially one that has been down as much as AU has just wont care as long as they start winning.

AU won more games between 2004 - 07 than in any other 4 year period in school history.

I don't understand where people get the idea that AU has been re-building from ashes, and is somehow desperate for wins.

[ozzie]

Just have to ask... would any of you be following this at all if Auburn wasn't undefeated?

I mean, if AU were 6 - 5 right now, and Cam was just an average player, would you still care this much about the allegations and how it would/should affect the school he's at now?

Or do you think more people would realize that this really more about Mississippi State, and about a player they tried to get, who ended up at another school?

Does anyone wonder how many more players MSU tried to offer money to?

Or how they went from 4 - 8 in 2008 to being 7 - 2 and ranked #19 this year before losing to Bama?


Just curious.

[ozzie]

The Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA) (20 U.S.C. § 1232g; 34 CFR Part 99) is a Federal law that protects the privacy of student education records. The law applies to all schools that receive funds under an applicable program of the U.S. Department of Education. (http://www2.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/fpco/ferpa/index.html)

[joeyballsack]

Just have to ask... would any of you be following this at all if Auburn wasn't undefeated?

I mean, if AU were 6 - 5 right now, and Cam was just an average player, would you still care this much about the allegations and how it would/should affect the school he's at now?

Or do you think more people would realize that this really more about Mississippi State, and about a player they tried to get, who ended up at another school?

Does anyone wonder how many more players MSU tried to offer money to?

Or how they went from 4 - 8 in 2008 to being 7 - 2 and ranked #19 this year before losing to Bama?


Just curious.

Its a big deal because this kid is going to win the first Heisman trophy since Reggie Bush had his taken away for taking money.

Throw that on top of being one of the probable team to be playing in the National Championship and its kind of hard to ignore.

The kid is dirty and there has to be some kind of penalty coming because of it.

[Snoogans]

The MSU guys said that Cam called them and told them that his Dad was making him go to Auburn "because of the money".

First, he'd have to be the dumbest sonofabitch in the world to tell another school that, so it doesn't seem likely.

And/or, this supposed "quote" from Cam keeps getting re-told different ways, even if it was said at all. Some phrase it to imply, "I'm going to Auburn because of the whole fucked up deal over offering us money".

Either way, there isn't a shred of testimony or proof showing any offer or money at AU.

It's just automatically assumed that if he "turned down money to play at MSU", that he somehow must have gotten a "better deal from AU".

The best testimony to de-bunk this so far has come from Bob Stoops, who said OU recruited Cam as hard as any other school, and there was no request for money at all from the Newtons.

im not attacking AU or even said they did anything wrong. Im just asking how they can not get in trouble if they didnt know when apparently USC didnt know about Reggie Bush and they still got in trouble. Thats what im asking

[Snoogans]

Just have to ask... would any of you be following this at all if Auburn wasn't undefeated?

I mean, if AU were 6 - 5 right now, and Cam was just an average player, would you still care this much about the allegations and how it would/should affect the school he's at now?

Or do you think more people would realize that this really more about Mississippi State, and about a player they tried to get, who ended up at another school?

Does anyone wonder how many more players MSU tried to offer money to?

Or how they went from 4 - 8 in 2008 to being 7 - 2 and ranked #19 this year before losing to Bama?


Just curious.

i would be following, and you know I would. Shit im still keepin an eye on that UNC shit to see what happens, but mostly its just cause im curious. I dont really give a fuck. Even if he took money I dont care. It has zero effect on rutgers and most of the schools it would negatively effect (the rest of the SEC) I hate anyway.

[ozzie]

im not attacking AU or even said they did anything wrong. Im just asking how they can not get in trouble if they didnt know when apparently USC didnt know about Reggie Bush and they still got in trouble. Thats what im asking

With Reggie, it was total bullshit. It was outside agents trying to secure a piece of his NFL future, not to come to a school, and had nothing to do with USC, yet they took the fall.

And the way it's reported after the fact is like this somehow gave him an unfair advantage on the field.

I get that they have to enforce the "institutional control" thing, but how far are they expected to monitor?

Were they really expected to keep tabs on where a player's parents were living, and who was picking up the tab? Or question where every article of clothing they wear came from? And, what, ask for receipts? And audit his checking account?

The schools are already hurting for money as it is.

I don't know how many people actually read the SI article last week, but it really had less to do with promoting a playoff than it did exposing how corrupt the bowls are, and how few schools are actually turning a profit with football anymore.

After Ohio State split their Rose Bowl take with the rest of the Big Ten, they LOST money by travelling to Pasedena.

Michigan actually turned a profit the last two years by NOT going to bowl games.

The bowls are admitting that they are relying on the schools to keep them afloat each year by making them buy thousands of tickets and paying their own expenses, and some even make the schools band members buy tickets to the game.

Now they're expected to keep a staff of private investigators and accountants too?

It just seems unlikely that the universities can continue to operate much longer under this system.

We all expect the best product on the field every week, and every year, and want our schools to expand their stadiums and hire the best coaches and coordinators, but the cost is being passed along to the students and, in some cases, taxpayers.

The NCAA and the Bowls are fucking raping the schools, which is passed along to those of us who paid tuition, make donations and buy tickets, and who might want to send their kids there one day.

Passing the burden of monitoring players, and penalizing the schools when they don't, is just another way to pass the cost and responsibility, yet they still don't want to give back a fair amount of the profits, or listen to suggestions to make it a more profitable system.

[JimBeam]

I don't know that Stoops would be completely honest at this point because I'm guessing that if there was a request for money back then and he didn't admit it at the time he'd be in trouble.

The flip side of that is why wouldn't he tell that story, if it happened, once they lost Newton to Auburn ?

That law about the grades is probably about the actual grades. I don't know that they'd have to keep secret the fact that he was caught cheating. I'm sure a technicality for which they won't face any issues.

I also see the issue different than USC in how the schoolsare culpable.

I'm sure USC knew little about what Bush was doing where in this case, if it's true, it seems like Auburn knew everything.

[ozzie]

i would be following, and you know I would. Shit im still keepin an eye on that UNC shit to see what happens, but mostly its just cause im curious. I dont really give a fuck. Even if he took money I dont care. It has zero effect on rutgers and most of the schools it would negatively effect (the rest of the SEC) I hate anyway.

It's just frustrating that because Mississippi State is 7 - 3, no one gives a damn about their involvement, or that ALL of this (or everything reported so far) happened with their "recruiters" (coaches) and "former players", and under their watch.

Since no one seems to care about that, every cub reporter is trying desperately to find a link to Auburn, which people are interested in because of their ranking, and as fast as possible.

Everyone's been assuming that this AU team was overrated, and waiting for them to be exposed, and now there's only two games between them and Glendale.

We're 8 days away from when AU plays at bama, and "they" are now desperately trying to spin this towards Auburn and anything that will show Cam should be ineligible to play.

The last TMZ report showed just how desperate they've become. They can't find a link, so they're now reduced to trying to dig up as much dirt as they can on Cam and/or Auburn.

I guess the plan is that if they can convince people that Cam is a bad person, or that Auburn has a booster being investigated for his personal business, that people will then connect the dots for themselves.

Sad thing is, based on an informal RonFez.dot.net poll, it seems to be working.

[ozzie]

The flip side of that is why wouldn't he tell that story, if it happened, once they lost Newton to Auburn ?

Exactly. If you believe Rogers, Bell and Bond, that MSU is "innocent", and it was Cecil soliciting them, not the other way around, then why wouldn't Cecil have also tried to see what OU would have been willing to pay?

And if he did, then why would OU / Stoops cover for him? Why wouldn't they join the MSU guys in exposing what a corrupt person this Cecil Newton really is?

Stoops said that nothing like that ever happened. Period.

Other schools tried to get him as well. NO ONE else has come forward saying that he asked anyone else for money for his kid to play there.

That law about the grades is probably about the actual grades. I don't know that they'd have to keep secret the fact that he was caught cheating. I'm sure a technicality for which they won't face any issues.

Meyer has been vehemently denying that he, or anyone on his staff, released any information. But there's no way they would have ran with the story without confirming it with credible sources, and no one else would have, or should have, known other than UF or the UF athletic department.

It's been confirmed that this is a violation of FERPA, but none of the reporters are revealing their sources.

And, again, cheating at Florida has nothing to do with his eligibility to play for AU. It's just another character assassination attempt to help assume his guilt in these latest allegations.

in this case, if it's true, it seems like Auburn knew everything.

What do you think Auburn knew before signing him? And/or, what do you think Auburn knew before deciding to play him back in September?

[JimBeam]

Some guy was on ESPN First take saying Auburn doesn't deserve to be ranked so high because their defense isn't good and they haven't played anybody but an overrated LSU team.

Who said you had to have a good defense to be the champion ? Sure when you have a good defense your chances of winning are better but as long as you play tough teams ( ahem Boise St ) and outscore them what does it matter.

Auburn has played South Carolina and Arkansas.

Who has Oregon played other than Stanford ( and talk about an overrated team ) ?

[ozzie]

From NCAA.org, their rankings of the Toughest Schedules to date, based on the current records of past and future opponents. (http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2010/Internet/toughest%20schedule/fbs_9games_cumm.pdf)

AU is at #1

Boise State is at #65

TCU is at #74

Oregon is at #77

[ozzie]

Some guy was on ESPN First take saying Auburn doesn't deserve to be ranked so high because their defense isn't good

Oh, haven't you heard?

Auburn hasn't BEAT anyone this year.

They've just Out Scored them.

[JimBeam]

I love how Boise St and Stanford, both considered to be great are back to back, middle of the pack in terms of strength of schedule ( 65 and 66 respectively ).

Nevada, which is supposed to be a huge test from Boise St is 97th.

So Boise St will get a boost in the polls if they beat a team that has a strength of schedule better than only 23 other teams.

Here's the funniest thing. TCU is supposed to be done as far as movement in the polls because their remaining opponent, New Mexico, is useless but their SOS is ranked 3 behind Boise St at #68 and 29 ahead of Nevada.

[ozzie]

I love how Boise St and Stanford, both considered to be great are back to back, middle of the pack in terms of strength of schedule ( 65 and 66 respectively ).

Nevada, which is supposed to be a huge test from Boise St is 97th.

So Boise St will get a boost in the polls if they beat a team that has a strength of schedule better than only 23 other teams.

Here's the funniest thing. TCU is supposed to be done as far as movement in the polls because their remaining opponent, New Mexico, is useless but their SOS is ranked 3 behind Boise St at #68 and 29 ahead of Nevada.

What's worse is that this is only based on record, not even on rank or any implied "strength".

So Boise gets more credit for beating a 6 - 3 Fresno State team than Auburn does beating a 5 - 5 UGA team... and they're still ranked that low.

Same for Oregon... beating a 5 - 5 Cal team by 2 pts is the same as AU beating an UGA team by 18 pts.

UGA would fucking destroy either one of those right now.

I'm pretty sure most of the computers use formulas that add a rank/strength factor to go along with the record of your opponents.

Jeff Sagarin uses that whole "elo chess" formula, and with that, Boise comes out #12:

1 Auburn
2 Oregon
3 Stanford
4 LSU
5 Nebraska
6 TCU
7 Oklahoma State
8 Alabama
9 Arkansas
10 Missouri
11 Wisconsin
12 Boise State

[JimBeam]

What annoyed the shit out of me last weekend was when everybody, I mean everybody, was claiming that Va Tech was on the rise and that Utah was a sham.

Sure Utah might not have been the team people were making them out to be but why the hell is Va Tech good ? Because they're winning in the shitty ACC ?

If you look at Utah and Va Tech all you see is that one team started to lose late and the other shit themselves early.

Both teams have a loss that's high profile ( Va Tech to Boise St and Utah to TCU ).

They both have a bad loss ( Va Tech to James Madison and Utah to Notre Dame ).

But clearly Va Tech's bad loss is much more embarasing than Utah's.

Firstly Utah lost on the road and va Tech lost at home.

While ND may be a mediocre if not bad team the one thing they are not is an FCS team which James Madison is. There's not just an FCS team, they're a bad if not awful FCS team.

I do not see why more reporters and analysts aren't holding that loss to James Madison against Va Tech and in fact they're dismissing it because they happen to be beating teams in the ACC.

[ozzie]

I'm the first one to admit that for a variety of reasons, some teams get better as the season goes along.

I've watched this AU team get better almost every week, and, if you remember, I predicted that UGA was not nearly as bad as their 1 - 4 opening record suggested. (Still wish they wouldn't have waited until the second half against UF to start playing football).

With AU, it took time for Cam to really learn the read-option, and for Gus to realize and utilize his running ability.

With UGA, SP1 can correct me on this if I'm wrong, but it looked like someone kicked Bobo off of the play calling, and obviously getting AJ back was a big help.

But... it seems like Va Tech does this every damn year lately, and I question how much this team really "improves" every year.

In '07 they struggled with ECU in their opener, and then were absolutely hammered by LSU the next week 48 - 7. Then they go 7 - 1 in conference play, and win the ACCCG.

The voters moved them all the way up to #3 in the BCS (just one place behind that same LSU team that destroyed them in week 2), before they finally played a non-ACC team, and lost to Kansas in the Orange Bowl.

They dropped their opener to East Carolina in '08, and struggled with Furman the next. Then they go 5 - 3 in conference play, and win the ACCCG, and end up ranked at #15 (after they beat an overrated Big East Cincy in the Orange bowl).

Last year they dropped their opener to bama (the eventual MNC's), but end up 10 - 3, and ranked back at #10 (after they beat a weak 7-5 Tennessee team in the Chick-Fil-A bowl).

This year, they've once again magically "rebounded" to #16 in the latest BCS poll with 8 straight wins, and 2 more ACC games left, and likely the ACCCG, and a possible BCS bowl. They could easily move back into the top-10 just by beating 3 more ACC teams.

I know that some coaching staffs do a better job than others at preparing teams for their opening games, but with Va Tech, you either have to believe that Beamer doesn't start practicing his team until like a couple days before their opener, and that they somehow get better once they get into conference play...

...or you just have to admit that the ACC is weak, and this same weak team that gets pushed around in weeks #1 and #2, later looks great by running off strings of games against other weak competition.

Either way, all this means is that Boise's win was as impressive as James Madison's this year, and you still have to rate the strength of these ACC wins based on their overall non-conference schedule.

So far their out-of-conf record is 27 - 12... but of those 12 losses we've seen:

FSU destoyed by OU (Big 12)
Maryland lose to WVU (Big East)
BC lose to ND (Ind)
Miami blown out by Ohio State (Big 10)
UNC lost to LSU (SEC)
Ga Tech lost to friggin Kansas! (Big 12)
Oh yeah... and Va Tech losing to both Boise (WAC) and James Madison (FCS)

...and these are the top 8 teams in the ACC. I didn't even go down and look at the bottom 4.

[CountryBob]

Ozzie - alot of great points and yes, the ACC is not as great a conference as the media and its fans think it is and a big yes, VA Tech seems to always start slow (it drives me nuts as a fan).....but the loss to JMU was a Hokie giveaway. They looked like they were drugged - totally lost the motivation to perform after that narrow Boise State defeat.
Remember that they were 1 first down away from winning that BSU game and if they would have won it, they would be undefeated right now (I totally believe this).

I think that this year especially, the players were believing the hype that they would have a national championship run if they beat Boise State and after suffering that loss - they just about gave up when facing JMU..

I was at that game and that loss only justified their lack of motivation not lack of talent....and couple of costly turnovers in JMU's red zone and 1 in VATech's redzone was the difference maker. JMU running out the clock for the last 5:25 minutes was proof of giving up.

With that said, VaTech has a problem of winning the big game and I wish they would not have opened with such tough opponents at the beginning of the year.

This year Boise State, last year Alabama, 2007 - LSU (was not opener but second game) and in 2004 opened with USC. All 3 (besides Boise State went on to win National Championship). My point is that their wind gets taken out of their sails so early in the season and their play suffers for it - but the team seems to always rally and put together a long string of wins which the polls recognize.

The ACC really needs Miami and Florida State to get their programs back on the yearly national champion spotlight - until then, the conference will still be considered over rated.

[JimBeam]

This year Boise State, last year Alabama, 2007 - LSU (was not opener but second game) and in 2004 opened with USC.

Bob, but they seem to follow-up those big games with the likes of Furman and James Madison so it's not like they're killing themselves.

We all know that the big conferences schedule some patsises but again I go back to the FCS thing. Those games should not count towards the BCS and a loss to one should all but exclude you from the rankings of the BCS.

[ozzie]

Tomorrow, 2:30 p.m. (central) - ESPNU:

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[Snoogans]

Tomorrow, 2:30 p.m. (central) - ESPNU:

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too bad they announced all possesions will head toward the normal endzone

[Snoogans]

lets go Fresno

[KnoxHarrington]

too bad they announced all possesions will head toward the normal endzone

In case you're wondering, you can still score a defensive TD in the end zone they won't be using.

I wondered if the tight dimensions had been a problem for the Bears when they played there before they got Soldier Field, and I found this on Wikipedia:

The football field ran north-to-south, i.e. from left field to the foul side of first base. The remodeling of the bleachers made for a very tight fit for the gridiron. In fact, the corner of the south end zone was literally in the visiting baseball team's dugout, which was filled with pads for safety, and required a special ground rule that sliced off that corner of the end zone. One corner of the north end line ran just inches short of the left field wall. There is a legend that Bronko Nagurski, the great Bears fullback, steamrolled through the line, head down, and ran all the way through that end zone, smacking his leather-helmeted head on the bricks. He went back to the bench and told Coach "Papa Bear" George Halas, "That last guy gave me quite a lick!" That kind of incident prompted the Bears to hang some padding in front of the wall.

This could be a lot of fun. it could also end up being an awful game, but hey, what the hell.

[Snacks]

In case you're wondering, you can still score a defensive TD in the end zone they won't be using.

I wondered if the tight dimensions had been a problem for the Bears when they played there before they got Soldier Field, and I found this on Wikipedia:



This could be a lot of fun. it could also end up being an awful game, but hey, what the hell.

I also heard today on espn that back in the day the football field for wrigley wasnt 100 yards but 90 yards. midfield was the 45 yard line not the 50.

They played on a 90 yard field! WTF this is why all sports history is garbage when it compares to modern day sports. When people talk about championships and records they should only matter from a time when they had set rules, even playing fields and more then 8 or 10 teams. Cough cough yankees and others like them.

[ozzie]

Looks like I'll be stuck at work and will miss most of the games today.

I never heard anything about the field being shortened (90 yds) when the bears played there. From the pics it looks like it's a full 100 yds. Only dif is that the goal posts were at the front then, and you can see where the corner of the endzone is sitting in the visitors dugout.

http://gapersblock.com/tailgate/wrigley-field-chicago-bears-football.jpg

All the other pics look like the back of the endzone sat just as close to the wall as it will today.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Wr6RQ1OrNEQ/SnPMcXsbd0I/AAAAAAAAAyI/d9b9yNONx9c/s400/wrigley+football+2.jpg

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/redeye-homers/assets_c/2010/11/bears1963-thumb-572xauto-264615.jpg

As far as I know, they won't turn the teams around today until there is a change of possession, so you could still have punt/fumble/int returns towards that other end... just no offensive plays that way.

[ozzie]

lets go Fresno

Last I saw it was only 3 - 0 in the second quarter. I wake up and it's 51 - 0. Wtf happened to Fresno after that?

[Snoogans]

Last I saw it was only 3 - 0 in the second quarter. I wake up and it's 51 - 0. Wtf happened to Fresno after that?

im not even sure. I had some friends over, we started watchin the knicks game, i flipped back like 30 min later it was 37-0. I was like what the fuck just happened. Then i turned it off and got sad

[ozzie]

I also read where those stands in right field were built on site every year after the cubs season ended, then torn down after the bears were done, and then re-built from scratch again the next year.

http://gapersblock.com/tailgate/wrigley-field-chicago-bears-football.jpg

[ozzie]

What the hell is Michigan State doing losing to Purdue right now?

I've been pulling for that conference to end in a three way tie.

A thought it would be a fitting way to end to the era before they had a championship game.

[KnoxHarrington]

Looks like I'll be stuck at work and will miss most of the games today.

I never heard anything about the field being shortened (90 yds) when the bears played there. From the pics it looks like it's a full 100 yds. Only dif is that the goal posts were at the front then, and you can see where the corner of the endzone is sitting in the visitors dugout.

http://gapersblock.com/tailgate/wrigley-field-chicago-bears-football.jpg

All the other pics look like the back of the endzone sat just as close to the wall as it will today.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Wr6RQ1OrNEQ/SnPMcXsbd0I/AAAAAAAAAyI/d9b9yNONx9c/s400/wrigley+football+2.jpg

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/redeye-homers/assets_c/2010/11/bears1963-thumb-572xauto-264615.jpg

As far as I know, they won't turn the teams around today until there is a change of possession, so you could still have punt/fumble/int returns towards that other end... just no offensive plays that way.

Yeah, I hadn't heard that they used a 90 yard field at Wrigley Field either. I do know that one of the possibilities floated for how to pull off this game today was to have a 90 yard field so that you'd have the same distance between the back of the endzone and the wall as at a normal stadium, but that got rejected.

[SP1!]

Just have to ask... would any of you be following this at all if Auburn wasn't undefeated?

I mean, if AU were 6 - 5 right now, and Cam was just an average player, would you still care this much about the allegations and how it would/should affect the school he's at now?

Or do you think more people would realize that this really more about Mississippi State, and about a player they tried to get, who ended up at another school?

Does anyone wonder how many more players MSU tried to offer money to?

Or how they went from 4 - 8 in 2008 to being 7 - 2 and ranked #19 this year before losing to Bama?


Just curious.
I would still be following it just for the purpose of making fun of our obnoxious AU fan, not because I want to see them do bad, although after watching thug fairley the other night I am hoping he gets his leg taken off in the iron bowl.

I have wondered about MSU as well but it appears they reported it or at least they are saying they did, its kind of coincidental that they finally got around to reporting it when cam signed with AU.

I heard a rumor running around that the FBI got involved because they are wire tapping the Victoryland racetrack owner who I think is a huge AU booster and is the supposed conduit for the payments supposedly made from AU. Again all this is hearsay rumor and not even widely reported, I do find it weird that the FBI is involved though since I dont think they ever got involved with the USC shit.

Also ozzie, supposedly their RBs coach did know about what was going on and was at a dinner with the agent and reggie so thats why the school got smacked as hard as they did.

Ahhh heres the coaches story, (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-usc-mcnair)dont know how the appeal turned out though but a few people said he was at the dinner and knew about the arrangements.

[Joe Pietaro]

I'm at the game right now. Great atmosphere, plus lots of nice ass around. Some old fuck that smelled like pissed-stained moth balls sat next to me in the press box the entire game and left in the fourth quarter.

[JimBeam]

Boise St and TCU are loving things right now.

Regardless of what happens in this Auburn/Alabama game I'd love to see Nevada whoop Boise St tomorrow.

I didn't see anybody post anything about that idiot Pat Hill ( Fresno St's coach ) saying that Boise St would beat Wisconsin by 2 or 3 TDs.

Who the hell is Pat Hill that anbody should listen to the shit coming out of his mouth. His team is a perpetual homecoming invitation for BCS league schools.

His team lost to an awful Ole Miss team which had gotten beaten by Jacksonville St of the FCS.

I'd love to see a Wisconsin/Boise St game. Maybe the Rose Bowl.

I think Wisconsin would physically wipeout that team and have the game in the bag by the end of the 2nd half. I could see them running for 350+ yards.

[cougarjake13]

i figured it be a tough game


didnt think bama would crush them like this ... so far anyway



even if oregon loses i dont think theyd have boise state tcu for nat'l championship if they run the table

[JimBeam]

You see that #4 player on Auburn whiff on that tackle right before the fumble ?

[cougarjake13]

You see that #4 player on Auburn whiff on that tackle right before the fumble ?

yeh im actually getting quite sick of the missed tackles cause no one tries to wrap up anymore and tries to do these earth shattering sportscenter highlight hits like the guy on eagles did to hagan on giants


for every one like that where the guy goes down theres like at least 5 where he just bounces off and gains more yardage

[JimBeam]

Off thread topic but that happened last night on that kickoff that the Jets returned for a TD. Some Bengal guy came running in and all he did was collide hard with the Jet blocker instead of making a move on the tackle.

[cougarjake13]

Off thread topic but that happened last night on that kickoff that the Jets returned for a TD. Some Bengal guy came running in and all he did was collide hard with the Jet blocker instead of making a move on the tackle.

i like seeing the big boom hits but not when the guys spins off and gets that crucial first down when if he was wrapped up they have to punt

[Snacks]

looks like rutgers hasnt been the same since their player got hurt against army. they have now lost 5 straight since beating army! what a shame they would have gone to another bowl game but their streak will end.

[underdog]

I can't believe Auburn may win this game.

[Jayw]

I can't believe Auburn may win this game.

ya what a great game. Been watching from the start. It is funny that newton will prolly get heisman and then it taken away, a la reggie bush.

[Kevin]

Let that be a lesson.

When your punter punts the ball 14yds, you are gunna get shitty field position.

[Snoogans]

seriously a great game. if the games tonight are half as good, its gonna kick ass



GO NEVADA

[epo]

seriously a great game. if the games tonight are half as good, its gonna kick ass



GO NEVADA

I pray Wisconsin plays Boise state at the Rose Bowl.

[weekapaugjz]

I pray Wisconsin plays Boise state at the Rose Bowl.

and i'll laugh and laugh when boise beats them.

[epo]

and i'll laugh and laugh when boise beats them.

That sounds great, but we all know this rah-rah shit doesn't work against a physical team.

[epo]

I don't care how this game ends in OT, Boise State is fucking garbage.

[epo]

That's a helluva catch by Young.

[epo]

How the fuck did he miss that kick?

[Snoogans]

Hahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahaha


Go Nevada

[Snoogans]

Hahahahhahahahaha
Hahahahahhahahaha
Ahahahahahhahahaa

[epo]

That's two.

What a garbage team Boise State is.

[Jayw]

Wow I switched over to watch "big fan" and I missed the comeback!

AND HE MISSES!!!! ahhahahahah fuck boise state

[epo]

All Boise State fans must now shut the fuck up.

Thank God.

[Snoogans]

this is so awesome. Goddamn

now i hope auburn loses in the sec title game and TCU gets to play for the title. it would be so awesome

[Kevin]

EAT A DICK BOISE

EAT A DICK.

Next time don't play fucking terrible teams all year so you will be ready when you face a decent team.

[Tenbatsuzen]

n/m, i'm being nice for a change

[Tenbatsuzen]

How the fuck did he miss that kick?

seriously, I could kicked that. I tweeted that they were giving him WAY too much time to think about the kick before the end of regulation.

[Tenbatsuzen]

In one fell swoop, Brotzman did the following:

1) Kill his team, TWICE.
2) Kill any hope of an NFL career.
3) Cost his school 4 million dollars in BCS money
4) Gave credence to all the fuckos who support the BCS format as is.

[KnoxHarrington]

I'm torn about this. As a BCS hater, seeing Boise State take a 50 point asswhipping in the "National Championship Game" (sic) would have been funny as hell.

But then again, it's pretty goddam funny that they're probably going to end up playing in something called the "Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl" now.

[underdog]

Lee Corso just snapped out of reality while trying to break down a game and started rambling.

[JimBeam]

All Boise State fans must now shut the fuck up.

Incluidng their supporters in the media.

Rod Gillmore broadcasted that game last night like he was a Boise St alumnus and/or their own play by play guy.

Herbstreit this morning kinda poo-pooed the loss by saying that Nevada could now play w/ anybody in the country ( the same thing he's been saying about Boise St ). Nevada can play w/ anybody except Hawaii ( which lost to Colorado and USC ).

now i hope auburn loses in the sec title game and TCU gets to play for the title. it would be so awesome

They pointed out this morning that Auburn, if Miss St beats Ole Miss, will have 5 wins against the current Top 25. TCU only has the one over Utah.

They insinuated that a close loss by AUburn in the SEC title game might stil give them enough to get into the BCS title game.

TCU needs Oregon to lose because w/ their 1 loss they'd be done.

Next time don't play fucking terrible teams all year so you will be ready when you face a decent team.

Again I don't know how decent Nevada was. They had a pretty shitty scheudule themselves.

In one fell swoop, Brotzman did the following:

1) Kill his team, TWICE.
2) Kill any hope of an NFL career.
3) Cost his school 4 million dollars in BCS money
4) Gave credence to all the fuckos who support the BCS format as is.

While he clearly could've won that game a whole lot of other people on that team share some blame for the loss.

Boise St's coach was again very classy, failing to blame the kicker, and said " 1 play can win a game but it takes several to lose 1. "

I'm torn about this. As a BCS hater, seeing Boise State take a 50 point asswhipping in the "National Championship Game" (sic) would have been funny as hell.

But then again, it's pretty goddam funny that they're probably going to end up playing in something called the "Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl" now.

Yeah, when Boise St appeared to be running away w/ it I was actually hoping they'd get into a BCS game and get their clocks cleaned.

Looks like barring any upsets that TCU will probably play Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl now.

[JimBeam]

Not any talk of AZ shitting away that possible upset against Oregon.

Not sure if you guys watched but the momentum swung when AZ got called for offsides on a FG that Oregon ended up missing. That turned the 4th and 5 into a 1st down and Oregon eventually scored to take the lead for good.

Like the fake FG, why the hell are you trying to block a FG, it very rarely works.

Leaves you open to get burned like Mich St and LSU showed this year.

What was silly was the rest of the team was playing it safe and some jackass, I think their best defensive player, was the one that ruined it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Fuck you Cincy. You hang 69 on Rutgers last week but you're playing like assholes against Uconn. Fuckers.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I've had a day to digest it, and I've realized the following:

Boise's chances of getting into the BCS Championship game were minimal with the way Auburn and Oregon were playing. So yeah, Brotzman fucked up, but it wasn't like Boise was ranked #1 and he fucked it all up. Or Oregon and Auburn already lost and he fucked it up.

[underdog]

I've had a day to digest it, and I've realized the following:

Boise's chances of getting into the BCS Championship game were minimal with the way Auburn and Oregon were playing. So yeah, Brotzman fucked up, but it wasn't like Boise was ranked #1 and he fucked it all up. Or Oregon and Auburn already lost and he fucked it up.

If Boise St would have won out, they would have ended up playing TCU in a Bowl Game, for the same reason the small, good schools play each other in March Madness and no one would be satisfied.

[epo]

If Boise St would have won out, they would have ended up playing TCU in a Bowl Game, for the same reason the small, good schools play each other in March Madness and no one would be satisfied.

My understanding was that in the scenario that Oregon was playing for the national title, the Rose Bowl got the rights to the highest ranked non-BCS school if they so chose.

So it would've been Big Ten versus Boise/TCU. Actually it will probably still be Big Ten versus TCU in the Rose Bowl.

[Snoogans]

My understanding was that in the scenario that Oregon was playing for the national title, the Rose Bowl got the rights to the highest ranked non-BCS school if they so chose.

So it would've been Big Ten versus Boise/TCU. Actually it will probably still be Big Ten versus TCU in the Rose Bowl.

lets hope that spurriers boys put a hurtin on Auburn and we get to see some TCU in the champ game. Or shit, how i feel right now, let nevada play, fuck it. I love Nevada

[ozzie]

USF beats Miami in OT. Another ACC fail.

Still a few chances left to gain some respect... UF @ FSU, USCe @ Clemson, GT @ UGA.

And still a chance of the Big 10 ending in a three way tie.

[epo]

I can't wait for Wisconsin to destroy TCU in the Rose Bowl.

[Snacks]

If Boise St would have won out, they would have ended up playing TCU in a Bowl Game, for the same reason the small, good schools play each other in March Madness and no one would be satisfied.

they did that last year and pissed everyone off. instead of putting boise against cincy and tcu against florida like everyone wanted they said fuck you. they did this so people couldnt complain if 2 teams (tcu and boise both) went undefeated. they figured that 1 would beat the other and destroy that argument.

i cant wait to see who tcu gets. they are saying they will probably gets stanford. i want them to get ohio st! but if they get the rose bowl they will get wisc i think!

[underdog]

I can't wait for Wisconsin to destroy TCU in the Rose Bowl.

See, a small school going against a Big 10 school settles nothing, either. It's just another shitty team they'll beat and everyone would complain about their schedule still. They might as well be playing UConn.

[underdog]

Anyone see that OK/OKST game?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Anyone see that OK/OKST game?

I did. 4Q was fucking insane.

[underdog]

I did. 4Q was fucking insane.

That guy leaping out of bounds and swatting the ball back in for an interception was one of the best plays I've ever seen. Insanity.

[Jujubees2]

Looks like the Big East is getting bigger

TCU to Join Big East (http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/news/story?id=5862368)

17 teams for all sports is getting a little crazy.

[Snoogans]

Looks like the Big East is getting bigger

TCU to Join Big East (http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/news/story?id=5862368)

17 teams for all sports is getting a little crazy.

its not til 2012. Im gonna go ahead and take a guess and say DePaul can start packing up its shit

[KnoxHarrington]

Well, I guess the Big East asked themselves, "What can we do to make this conference look like even more of a complete joke?"

[Snoogans]

Well, I guess the Big East asked themselves, "What can we do to make this conference look like even more of a complete joke?"

how do you figure? Are you jackasses really thinkin they are just gonna add TCU?

This was a brilliant move by the big east which is gonna help them generate more money and stay together down the line.

[El Mudo]

I think it's a great move for the Big East.

Besides, as far as geography goes, it's a longer trip from Tampa to Storrs than it is from Fort Worth to Louisville.

[ozzie]

how do you figure? Are you jackasses really thinkin they are just gonna add TCU?

This was a brilliant move by the big east which is gonna help them generate more money and stay together down the line.

What's the plan... to try to get to 12 football schools and add a championship game?

[ozzie]

If we rank the projected conf champs by BCS rank:

1. Auburn (1) SEC
2. Oregon (2) Pac 10
3. TCU (3) MWC
4. Wisconsin (5) Big 10
5. Oklahoma (9) Big 12
6. Boise State (11) WAC
7. Va Tech (15) ACC
8. West Virginia (24) Big East
9. No. Illinois (25) MAC
10. UCF (NR) C-USA
11. FIU (NR) Sun Belt

And seed accordingly:

1 vs 8/9 winner
2 vs 7/10/11 winner
3 vs 6
4 vs 5

We'd get:

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/489/ncaaplayoffbracket11291.jpg

[JimBeam]

I hate that Stanford is locked into that #4 BCS spot and therefore gets an automatic BCS game.

For the same reason I can't understand why everybody's in love with them because they have 1 loss.

They haven't played anybody.

As reece Davis said the played in a conference that only has 3 bowl eligible teams.

[El Mudo]

I hate that Stanford is locked into that #4 BCS spot and therefore gets an automatic BCS game.

For the same reason I can't understand why everybody's in love with them because they have 1 loss.

They haven't played anybody.

As reece Davis said the played in a conference that only has 3 bowl eligible teams.

Actually, the PAC 10 has 4 bowl eligible teams (USC is under a penalty, but whatever).

They'll have 5 as of Saturday (Washington plays poopy Washington State, and they have 5 wins), and if Oregon beats Oregon State in Corvallis (which could happen), that would be six.

[Snoogans]

What's the plan... to try to get to 12 football schools and add a championship game?

not even that far yet. Before this they had 8 football schools. mostly, they wanted to add a 9th with prestige so they could start a network and so they dont have to keep finding and paying for 5 out of conference games. They wont start thinkin about goin to 12 unless Villinova decides to move up to FBS. That would give them 10 and then they would prob try to grab like Central Florida and someone else, maybe ECU, maybe try to grab BC or Temple back.

if Nova doesnt move up, they may still do that down the line, but for now its just to make sure they keep AQ and strengthen the future network TV deal

by sayin do you think they are just gonna add TCU, I meant add them to basketball and make it 17. They wont, someone will get kicked out so BBall stays 16. Right now football just wants some strength and AQ. If Nova jumps then we can talk

[epo]

Fuck TCU. It's time the Big Ten finish their work and gut the Big East.

Give us Rutgers and Syracuse.

[joeyballsack]

As a proud resident of Syracuse, I would welcome the opportunity to see some decent college football.

Throw in the fact that SU basketball would dominate the Big 10 and it's an all around win.

[ozzie]

Cam Newton is officially declared eligible to play by the NCAA (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/latest+news/2010+news+stories/december/ncaa+addresses+eligibility+of+cam+newton)

[ozzie]

Wow... after all of the reporting ESPN did about this, and the slanderous speculations about Cam, his father, and Auburn University... now that he's been cleared, THIS is their report on their website right now:

Cam Newton cleared to play

Associated Press

INDIANAPOLIS -- The NCAA ruled Wednesday that Auburn quarterback Cam Newton is eligible to play.

Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press




13 fucking words.

[Snacks]

Wow... after all of the reporting ESPN did about this, and the slanderous speculations about Cam, his father, and Auburn University... now that he's been cleared, THIS is their report on their website right now:






13 fucking words.

because the media as a whole are all scumbags. they love to build you up only to tear you down as far as they can. they report shit true or false and make a big deal out of the smallest of stories. they love to sensationalize everything and then when its all said and done and they went overboard or facts come out the apology (if there is one) is a small side note hidden in the back pages.

I have witnessed the media first hand make up shit to sell their story and to make the story sound so much worse to scare and create an outcry. I wont get into it but after my own situation and seeing it unfold I will never once trust the media. I never understand why people talk to any of them when they do their best to make you look bad. Im glad he has refused to talk to writers and the media after his games! Good for Cam, fuck everyone else!

[Snacks]

Cam Newton is officially declared eligible to play by the NCAA (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/latest+news/2010+news+stories/december/ncaa+addresses+eligibility+of+cam+newton)

http://dennis-dodd.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270202/26173424

cbs posted that. my only question about this situation is whats the difference between this and reggie bush? i never read that reggie new his parents asked for money or were getting their house paid for. i thought that if your parents ask for money or receive money then you are ineligible? im glad they ruled the way they did but why did usc lose so much and reggie lose his heisman for things the parents did but cam wont?

the ncaa seems so random!

[ozzie]

http://dennis-dodd.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270202/26173424

cbs posted that. my only question about this situation is whats the difference between this and reggie bush? i never read that reggie new his parents asked for money or were getting their house paid for. i thought that if your parents ask for money or receive money then you are ineligible? im glad they ruled the way they did but why did usc lose so much and reggie lose his heisman for things the parents did but cam wont?

the ncaa seems so random!

With Bush, there was evidence of money and "gifts" exchanging hands.

With Cam, all they have is an accusation of "solicitation".

No evidence that MSU, the scumbag "agent", or anyone else, ever made any actual payment.

And it's still "he said / she said" about whether MSU (or a representative on their behalf) made the initial offer to Cecil Newton, or the other way around.

Either way, the deal never went down.

[Snacks]

With Bush, there was evidence of money and "gifts" exchanging hands.

With Cam, all they have is an accusation of "solicitation".

No evidence that MSU, the scumbag "agent", or anyone else, ever made any actual payment.

And it's still "he said / she said" about whether MSU (or a representative on their behalf) made the initial offer to Cecil Newton, or the other way around.

Either way, the deal never went down.

but i thought just asking for money was enough and they have their evidence that the father admitted to asking for money.

i dont think he should be suspended. i cant fault these poor kids asking for money especially when they see the ncaa and their schools and everyone else making millions off them and they get nothing. dont give me shit about a college education because a lot of them dont even get a degree and many of them dont learn shit anyway they skate by and are there just to play football.

[Jayw]

Wow to be honest I am shocked that Cam newton didn't occur harsher penalties. He is just too big of a star for even the NCAA to screw the SEC title game ratings. Going to be a great game.

[ozzie]

but i thought just asking for money was enough and they have their evidence that the father admitted to asking for money.

Solicitation is against the rules, and yesterday he was declared "ineligble" based on those findings.

NCAA rules (Bylaw 12.3.3) do not allow individuals or entities to represent a prospective student-athlete for compensation to a school for an athletic scholarship.

Yesterday, the NCAA gave the official notification to Auburn University that he was ineligble to play. They suspended him immediately.

AU then requested reinstatement.

He was reinstated today.

When a school discovers an NCAA rules violation has occurred, it must declare the student-athlete ineligible and may request the student-athlete's eligibility be reinstated. Reinstatement decisions are made by the NCAA national office staff and can include conditions such as withholding from competition and repayment of extra benefits. Newton was reinstated without any conditions.

[underdog]

Wow... after all of the reporting ESPN did about this, and the slanderous speculations about Cam, his father, and Auburn University... now that he's been cleared, THIS is their report on their website right now:






13 fucking words.

He wasn't cleared. He was ruled eligible.

[ozzie]

He wasn't cleared. He was ruled eligible.

Based on the information available to the reinstatement staff at this time, we do not have sufficient evidence that Cam Newton or anyone from Auburn was aware of this activity, which led to his reinstatement.

Sounds to me like the NCAA has reviewed all of the dirt that ESPN (Pat Forde), FoxSports (Thayer Evans) and every other reporter trying to "crack this case" were able to dig up, and that Cam Newton and Auburn University have not been found guilty of any wrongdoing.

He has been "cleared" to continue to play football. How else can you say it?

And for those of you hoping that this is not over, and that he'll somehow still be ruled ineligible, check out what happened to Albert Means, the d-lineman who Bama bought for $200k in 2001.

Bama was hit with bowl bans, probation, scholarship limitations, etc... the booster that paid the money was convicted on criminal charges... everyone involved faced punishment.

The player involved? Albert Means? It was determined that it was his HS coach negotiating the deals. Means was "cleared" by the NCAA. He was released from his letter of intent to play at bama, and simply transferred to Memphis, and continued to play football.

And that was with PROOF of money changing hands.

If Cam had agreed to play at MSU, and these "offers" came to light, there would be no question that he'd be ineligible to play there, and MSU would be facing similiar punishments.

But, he didn't, and there's no evidence at all that there was any offer to, or from, Auburn University.

They'll continue to investigate exactly what happened at MSU (or at the hotel), and that school and their former players (boosters/agents) involved could still face charges, but both the FBI and NCAA have already interviewed all of the people involved, and I feel certain that the NCAA had all the information they needed upon which to base their eligibility decision.

[ozzie]

And it was ESPN who first used the word "cleared".

Cam Newton cleared to play

Associated Press

INDIANAPOLIS -- The NCAA ruled Wednesday that Auburn quarterback Cam Newton is eligible to play.

Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press

[disneyspy]

if WV keeps fumbling in the red zone,snoogans is gonna be a happy man

[Snoogans]

if WV keeps fumbling in the red zone,snoogans is gonna be a happy man

the problem is the offsense cant stay on the field. the D gets gassed early and thats why they been gettin torched the last few weeks



i almost feel bad for the D

[disneyspy]

the problem is the offsense cant stay on the field. the D gets gassed early and thats why they been gettin torched the last few weeks



i almost feel bad for the D

i feel the same way for michigans D
hey fumbled again!!
ha t

[disneyspy]

his momentum was stopped,it shouldve been rutgers ball and a first down

[Snoogans]

his momentum was stopped,it shouldve been rutgers ball and a first down

i agree and someone tell me how the ball isnt touched down before the WV guy picked it up and ran with it. That whole play just seemed strange.

Regardless, the D must wanna cut someone right now

[sailor]

i feel the same way for michigans D
hey fumbled again!!
ha t

fuck rich rodriguez

[disneyspy]

fuck rich rodriguez

his hurry up offense and quick scores dont help out the undersized D thats for sure

[razorboy]

Coach Pornstache should start running 12 players out in this mess just to see if anyone notices.

[disneyspy]

Coach Pornstache should start running 12 players out in this mess just to see if anyone notices.

does USF have a chance tonight? i cant see any team that lost to michigan being any kind of conference champ

[razorboy]

does USF have a chance tonight? i cant see any team that lost to michigan being any kind of conference champ

Defensively the Bulls can contain Todman, but we're starting a true Freshman walk-on at QB. He looked pretty good in relief against Miami, but this game is probably going to be extra run heavy. It's hard for me to give a real read of the the bulls offense because I just don't know how much of the playbook Holtz feels comfortable handing over to Eveld. They should beat UConn just by being able to out athlete them at every position, but Edsall is a good coach and the QB is a big uncertain.

[cougarjake13]

absolutely love football in the snow

[Tenbatsuzen]

Dear USF:

You have a 3rd and goal against a gassed, demoralized UConn defense. QB draws have been proven effective in this situation, and it's the type of play you call to get the TD but if you don't, you get a FG and at least tie the game.

So what do you do?

YOU RUN THE SAME GODDAMN FUCKING FADE PLAY THAT FAILED ON 2ND AND GOAL, AND LEAVE A FULL MINUTE ON THE CLOCK FOR A FG DRIVE FOR UCONN.

Dumb, stupid fucking play calling. Nice special teams. Kiss my ass.

Uconn's gonna get raped in their BCS game. bleah. Champs sports bowl? Motherfucker.

[KnoxHarrington]

I don't care what the other team is, I just love seeing people run it up on The Ol' Ball Coach.

That visor-wearing bastard needs to get the fuck out.

[Jayw]

Holy shit these BCS bowl games suck dick. Other than the title game they all suck.

Connecticut really? who gives a fuck.

#12 Mizzou playing some unranked iowa school with a .500 record, awesome. What a joke.

[Snacks]

Holy shit these BCS bowl games suck dick. Other than the title game they all suck.

Connecticut really? who gives a fuck.

#12 Mizzou playing some unranked iowa school with a .500 record, awesome. What a joke.

BCS yeah great concept for all. Instead of creating something that people want to see they give us this! Wait for the supporters to come and support these games.

Funny thing is, if these were playoff games they would look so much more attractive but because no game NOT 1 other then the title game means anything no one cares and they are shit games!

[epo]

Holy shit these BCS bowl games suck dick. Other than the title game they all suck.

Connecticut really? who gives a fuck.

#12 Mizzou playing some unranked iowa school with a .500 record, awesome. What a joke.

I'm not about to sit here and listen to complaining about Wisconsin destroying TCU being "bad football".

[Jayw]

I'm not about to sit here and listen to complaining about Wisconsin destroying TCU being "bad football".

That game is a little bit interesting(though TCU will take winsonsin), but really the majority of the other 'bcs' bowl games are trash.

I guess I am just pissed mizzou got snubbed in the cotten bowl for texas A and M. Oh well. Hopefully Auborn smashes oregon.

[Snacks]

I'm not about to sit here and listen to complaining about Wisconsin destroying TCU being "bad football".

Im happy TCU got Wisc. At least the bowl system didnt try to put TCU vs Utah or Boise. Now when TCU pounds Wisc people will see they deserve a share of the title!

[Snoogans]

Im happy TCU got Wisc. At least the bowl system didnt try to put TCU vs Utah or Boise. Now when TCU pounds Wisc people will see they deserve a share of the title!

cause utah and boise didnt make a bcs bowl. they couldnt put utah or boise in

[Snacks]

cause utah and boise didnt make a bcs bowl. they couldnt put utah or boise in

I understand that but wow what a pos the ncaa is again. Just like last year they matched up boise st vs tcu and everyone was pissed because they wanted to see tcu play an sec or pac 10 team and boise just to prove themselves. But the ncaa doesnt like that because if tcu or boise would have beaten florida or a usc etc it takes away from their entire argument. well they did it again. they take utah and match them with boise and put them in some shitty maaco bowl. Why not give them the gator bowl or cotton bowl and match them up with someone like a florida or ok st. Nope they dont do that!

Horse shit system! Just like every year that Hawaii makes it they get the aloha/hawaii bowl. Why not let them travel and let them experience something new! Nope only the big boys are allowed.

[sailor]

is everyone missing that boise beat a bcs bowl team or are we just ignoring that?

[Snacks]

is everyone missing that boise beat a bcs bowl team or are we just ignoring that?

of course they are. if v tech didnt lose to that high school team they would have 1 loss and that 1 loss would be to boise who beat v tech at home!

i think boise played 4 teams that made bowl games. but they are the team that plays nobodys. not like bama playing a team like georgia st which this was their 1st season playing football and bama played them at home. Thats the difference boise will travel to play good or bad teams. Whenever these really shit schools play good ones the shit school travels to the good team to make it almost impossible for them to win.

[El Mudo]

is everyone missing that boise beat a bcs bowl team or are we just ignoring that?

In September.

If you're going to lose, lose early.

[cougarjake13]

I understand that but wow what a pos the ncaa is again. Just like last year they matched up boise st vs tcu and everyone was pissed because they wanted to see tcu play an sec or pac 10 team and boise just to prove themselves. But the ncaa doesnt like that because if tcu or boise would have beaten florida or a usc etc it takes away from their entire argument. well they did it again. they take utah and match them with boise and put them in some shitty maaco bowl. Why not give them the gator bowl or cotton bowl and match them up with someone like a florida or ok st. Nope they dont do that!

Horse shit system! Just like every year that Hawaii makes it they get the aloha/hawaii bowl. Why not let them travel and let them experience something new! Nope only the big boys are allowed.

didnt they do that one year and get killed by georgia ??

[Snoogans]

I understand that but wow what a pos the ncaa is again. Just like last year they matched up boise st vs tcu and everyone was pissed because they wanted to see tcu play an sec or pac 10 team and boise just to prove themselves. But the ncaa doesnt like that because if tcu or boise would have beaten florida or a usc etc it takes away from their entire argument. well they did it again. they take utah and match them with boise and put them in some shitty maaco bowl. Why not give them the gator bowl or cotton bowl and match them up with someone like a florida or ok st. Nope they dont do that!

Horse shit system! Just like every year that Hawaii makes it they get the aloha/hawaii bowl. Why not let them travel and let them experience something new! Nope only the big boys are allowed.

do you have any idea how the bowl system works? conferences have tie ins to bowls contractually. Boise and Utah went to that bowl cause neither won the conference, so those were essentially automatic slots. At that point, anything not auto filled is up to the bowl committee for that game, not the NCAA AT ALL.

Hawaii takes that bowl and doesnt travel cause they dont travel well. They wont sell their alotment of tickets if they play a bowl on the main land. And again, the bowl has a tie in to the WAC. Its not up the NCAA, its all contractual and done long in advance.

Again, lets remember, neither Boise OR Utah won their conference.

[Snoogans]

of course they are. if v tech didnt lose to that high school team they would have 1 loss and that 1 loss would be to boise who beat v tech at home!

i think boise played 4 teams that made bowl games. but they are the team that plays nobodys. not like bama playing a team like georgia st which this was their 1st season playing football and bama played them at home. Thats the difference boise will travel to play good or bad teams. Whenever these really shit schools play good ones the shit school travels to the good team to make it almost impossible for them to win.

AGAIN, BOISE DIDNT WIN THE WAC. THEY WERE AUTO SLOTTED FOR THE BOWL THEY GOT CAUSE OF THAT. ITS NOT ABOUT THE FUCKIN NCAA. ITS UP TO THE AGREEMENTS AND THE BOWL COMMITTEE FOR EACH GAME. GET YOUR FUCKIN FACTS STRAIGHT

[Snoogans]

and yea boise played 4 teams that made bowl games. so what, how do you know 3 werent shitty teams that beat 6 other shitty teams? And Rutgers beat UConn who went to a BCS bowl. Rutgers still sucks. that doesnt mean ANYTHING

[Snacks]

do you have any idea how the bowl system works? conferences have tie ins to bowls contractually. Boise and Utah went to that bowl cause neither won the conference, so those were essentially automatic slots. At that point, anything not auto filled is up to the bowl committee for that game, not the NCAA AT ALL.

Hawaii takes that bowl and doesnt travel cause they dont travel well. They wont sell their alotment of tickets if they play a bowl on the main land. And again, the bowl has a tie in to the WAC. Its not up the NCAA, its all contractual and done long in advance.

Again, lets remember, neither Boise OR Utah won their conference.

I dont give a fuck who won what I care about records. UConn has no business being in a bcs game. And since temple didnt even get a bowl maybe uconn shouldnt either. They had the same record and temple beat uconn!

I know how the bowl system works but they also make changes all the time (TCU going to rose bowl b/c Oregon going to national championship game). The better the bowl the better the team should be. Boise shouldnt get a shit bowl just because they didnt win their conference. Florida didnt win theirs either they finished like 4th or 5th overall and they go a better game/bowl.

Hawaii doesnt travel well, is Tulsa and their fan base going to travel well to Hawaii? No so who gives a fuck about traveling well. Give 2 teams a chance to go to hawaii and give hawaii a chance to do something different.

There are 35 bowl games. Lets see how many are sold out will filled stadiums! Not even half will especially the shitty games. You will see half filled stadiums. If these games meant anything they would all be sold out. Create a playoff system or retract bowl games. Would you rather see the top 12 play each other or the top 2 with a bunch of 6-6 teams going to no name shitty bowl games?!

NCAA is a fucking joke!

[Snacks]

and yea boise played 4 teams that made bowl games. so what, how do you know 3 werent shitty teams that beat 6 other shitty teams? And Rutgers beat UConn who went to a BCS bowl. Rutgers still sucks. that doesnt mean ANYTHING

rutgers is and was better then their record. they played scared and with no purpose after that kid got hurt. you as a rutgers fan should know better! rutgers beat uconn earlier in the year before that kid got hurt!

[Snoogans]

I dont give a fuck who won what I care about records. UConn has no business being in a bcs game. And since temple didnt even get a bowl maybe uconn shouldnt either. They had the same record and temple beat uconn!

I know how the bowl system works but they also make changes all the time (TCU going to rose bowl b/c Oregon going to national championship game). The better the bowl the better the team should be. Boise shouldnt get a shit bowl just because they didnt win their conference. Florida didnt win theirs either they finished like 4th or 5th overall and they go a better game/bowl.

Hawaii doesnt travel well, is Tulsa and their fan base going to travel well to Hawaii? No so who gives a fuck about traveling well. Give 2 teams a chance to go to hawaii and give hawaii a chance to do something different.

There are 35 bowl games. Lets see how many are sold out will filled stadiums! Not even half will especially the shitty games. You will see half filled stadiums. If these games meant anything they would all be sold out. Create a playoff system or retract bowl games. Would you rather see the top 12 play each other or the top 2 with a bunch of 6-6 teams going to no name shitty bowl games?!

NCAA is a fucking joke!

ok im gonna break this down:
TCU is BCS eligible. The rose bowl took them cause one of the bowls had to, they are top 4. They HAD TO BE PICKED. Oregon is goin to the title game so it became UP TO THE ROSE BOWL COMMITTEE, NOT THE NCAA, to pick which BCS eligible team it wanted to replace oregon. They took TCU.

bold part 2 - NO. THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS. Boise finished that position in the WAC. That automatically gets them the bowl they got. They dont have a choice. Its CONTRACTS THAT ARE SIGNED FOR BOWL POSITIONS BY THE CONFERENCES. Boise chose to be in the WAC, therefore boise must abide by the WACs contractual agreements with teh bowls. THE NCAA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.

bold part 3 - Again, what dont you understand. THE NCAA DOESNT CHOOSE THIS. THE CONTRACTS DO AND THE BOWL COMMITTEES. There are legally binding contracts for each bowl to take the X position finisher from whatever conference they are CONTRACTED to take. THEY CANT CHOOSE ANYONE. THE CHOICES GET LIMITED

bold part 4 - No shit its gonna be that way. But the bowl comittees have a few teams they can choose. they take the one they think will do the best. If you put Hawaii in a bowl in Alabama they wont sell any tickets. They take the best possible option afforded to them.

Bold part #5 - I want a playoff. Im not arguing that the system is right. Just how you are understanding it is completely wrong. They cant just say fuck this team, we want boise. that would break a contract and they would be sued. And those top 12 or whatever, thats BCS. Thats not bowls. they are seperate. If you have a playoff, you will still have all these other bowls for the games. Stop bringing up shit that doesnt make a difference.

Boise didnt qualify for a BCS bowl, so they CANT BE TAKEN. Therefore, by legal contracts, they have to accept one of the WACs bowl tie ins. THERE IS NO CHOICE IN THE MATTER ON ANY SIDE AND ONCE AGAIN, THE NCAA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

After the BCS, the NCAA has nothing to do with anything about the bowls. Its all up to teh bowl itself, the conferences and the schools. You are arguing that shit should happen that CANT POSSIBLY HAPPEN BECAUSE ITS AGAINST THE FUCKIN LAW

STOP

[Snoogans]

rutgers is and was better then their record. they played scared and with no purpose after that kid got hurt. you as a rutgers fan should know better! rutgers beat uconn earlier in the year before that kid got hurt!

i agree. im not sayin they arent. But the fact is they finished 4-8. I was just bringin gup to say that shit doesnt matter, which you just proved my point. Boise beat 4 bowl eligible teams. Some of those 4 are garbage teams in the WAC that you would even admit are garbage. Yet you throw out they beat 4 bowl eligible teams like it means something.

[Snacks]

ok im gonna break this down:
TCU is BCS eligible. The rose bowl took them cause one of the bowls had to, they are top 4. They HAD TO BE PICKED. Oregon is goin to the title game so it became UP TO THE ROSE BOWL COMMITTEE, NOT THE NCAA, to pick which BCS eligible team it wanted to replace oregon. They took TCU.

bold part 2 - NO. THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS. Boise finished that position in the WAC. That automatically gets them the bowl they got. They dont have a choice. Its CONTRACTS THAT ARE SIGNED FOR BOWL POSITIONS BY THE CONFERENCES. Boise chose to be in the WAC, therefore boise must abide by the WACs contractual agreements with teh bowls. THE NCAA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.

bold part 3 - Again, what dont you understand. THE NCAA DOESNT CHOOSE THIS. THE CONTRACTS DO AND THE BOWL COMMITTEES. There are legally binding contracts for each bowl to take the X position finisher from whatever conference they are CONTRACTED to take. THEY CANT CHOOSE ANYONE. THE CHOICES GET LIMITED

bold part 4 - No shit its gonna be that way. But the bowl comittees have a few teams they can choose. they take the one they think will do the best. If you put Hawaii in a bowl in Alabama they wont sell any tickets. They take the best possible option afforded to them.

Bold part #5 - I want a playoff. Im not arguing that the system is right. Just how you are understanding it is completely wrong. They cant just say fuck this team, we want boise. that would break a contract and they would be sued. And those top 12 or whatever, thats BCS. Thats not bowls. they are seperate. If you have a playoff, you will still have all these other bowls for the games. Stop bringing up shit that doesnt make a difference.

Boise didnt qualify for a BCS bowl, so they CANT BE TAKEN. Therefore, by legal contracts, they have to accept one of the WACs bowl tie ins. THERE IS NO CHOICE IN THE MATTER ON ANY SIDE AND ONCE AGAIN, THE NCAA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

After the BCS, the NCAA has nothing to do with anything about the bowls. Its all up to teh bowl itself, the conferences and the schools. You are arguing that shit should happen that CANT POSSIBLY HAPPEN BECAUSE ITS AGAINST THE FUCKIN LAW

STOP

im not saying boise should be in a bcs game they cant because that stupid system but they should be in a better bowl game. the ncaa should take the teams and match them up based on records. The fact that conferences and specific bowls have the right only to them is bullshit. my opinion nothing more. I dont give a fuck about any of the rest of it.

Im not Tom dont ever talk to me like Im retarded and tell me to stop!

[Snoogans]

im not saying boise should be in a bcs game they cant because that stupid system but they should be in a better bowl game. the ncaa should take the teams and match them up based on records. The fact that conferences and specific bowls have the right only to them is bullshit. my opinion nothing more. I dont give a fuck about any of the rest of it.

Im not Tom dont ever talk to me like Im retarded and tell me to stop!

i was tellin you to stop talkin about things that you dont know about like you do. Thats what I was sayin. And no, its not bullshit. the conference signs a contract. That WOULD NOT CHANGE EVEN WITH A PLAYOFF.

And guess what, any playoff that we will have, this year would NOT have had boise because it will be top 8 only. Trust me. The bowls are what they are and you blaming the NCAA for it is stupid. That was my point. You have no idea what you are talking about

[Snacks]

i was tellin you to stop talkin about things that you dont know about like you do. Thats what I was sayin. And no, its not bullshit. the conference signs a contract. That WOULD NOT CHANGE EVEN WITH A PLAYOFF.

And guess what, any playoff that we will have, this year would NOT have had boise because it will be top 8 only. Trust me. The bowls are what they are and you blaming the NCAA for it is stupid. That was my point. You have no idea what you are talking about

I know exactly what Im talking about I dont agree with it. I think the entire system sucks and is hurting the sport more and more as people realize its not inclusive and not all teams have a chance at a title.

TCU undefeated 2 straight seasons and both seasons they are shut out! Thats fair!

[Snoogans]

I know exactly what Im talking about I dont agree with it. I think the entire system sucks and is hurting the sport more and more as people realize its not inclusive and not all teams have a chance at a title.

TCU undefeated 2 straight seasons and both seasons they are shut out! Thats fair!

ok thats fine but before you didnt say that. You seemed to blame it on the NCAA and act like you actually thought they coulda done some of the stuff you thought they should do. Next time be more clear, dick. You sound like tenbatz talkin through tears after 10 shots of jameson. Which i think he is doin right now

[weekapaugjz]

ok thats fine but before you didnt say that. You seemed to blame it on the NCAA and act like you actually thought they coulda done some of the stuff you thought they should do. Next time be more clear, dick. You sound like tenbatz talkin through tears after 10 shots of jameson. Which i think he is doin right now

:lol:

[epo]

Save your TCU tears for the Rose Bowl when the Badgers score 70 on that shit team.

[KnoxHarrington]

So some guy goes through and ranks all 35 (seriously? 35?) bowl games from the best (the BCS "Championship" game, of course) to the worst (the Dec. 18 New Orleans Bowl between Ohio U (otherwise known as "*a* Ohio State University") and Troy.

There's some amusing stuff in here, especially when you get down to the really shitty bowls near the bottom. I like this point on the game UK will be in:

27. BBVA Compass (Jan. 8): Pittsburgh (7-5) vs. Kentucky (6-6). What a great advertisement for this obscure banking chain. Unfortunately, according to its website, there are no branches within 240 miles of either Pittsburgh or Lexington.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/stewart_mandel/12/07/bowl-rankings/index.html#ixzz17TAMyQhM

[Jayw]

cool list, thanks for link knox.

It sucks Mizzou didn't make cotten bowl but we could easily be in the shitty holiday bowl instead of Nebraska, someone from the big 12 must of done some sweet talking to avoid the future big 10 preview.

[CountryBob]

VA Tech beats Boise State if they play right now

[razorboy]

Reports out of Gainesville have Urban Meyer retiring again.

[razorboy]

And now, confirmed. (http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20101208/ARTICLES/101209557/1136?Title=BREAKING--UF-COACH-URBAN-MEYER-STEPS-DOWN) Good riddance scumbag.

[cougarjake13]

And now, confirmed. (http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20101208/ARTICLES/101209557/1136?Title=BREAKING--UF-COACH-URBAN-MEYER-STEPS-DOWN) Good riddance scumbag.




future coach of the denver tebows

[JimBeam]

Colincowherd is saying that they'll have a new coach by the end of the day.

Saying it's a big time name.

We'll see.

Might be Stoops.

[JimBeam]

I think Snoogans already reviewed the bowl process so I won;t go back to that.

The thing you have to realize is that the BCS you're complaining about was only set-up to ensure #1 v #2. Now you can argue if you want that TCU is better than either Auburn ( but you'd be insane ) or Oregon ( highly doubtful ) but outised of that we have the championship game we should have.

The other bowls are meaningless and are just to make money and for the fans. Yes even the other BCS bowl games.

You think Tostitos should have to shell out millions of dollars to host a game played by Boise St ? Why the hell would they do that ?

So they can have a stadium filled w/ 25K people ?

If you're not playing in the BCS title game it's meaningless as far as posturing.

The one thing you did miss Snoogans was that the Rose Bowl itself had to take a non-AQ one time in the next 4 years and I'm guessing they figured they probably wouldn't get a better shot than this year so they pulled the trigger instead of waiting 3 years and getting stuck with a 3 loss team from the WAC.

I know exactly what Im talking about I dont agree with it. I think the entire system sucks and is hurting the sport more and more as people realize its not inclusive and not all teams have a chance at a title.

You really think the sport is hurting ? Are you kidding ?

2 conferences just completely changed the way they were doing business because the game is so big.

Conferences are getting their own networks and people are watching.

You think that means the sport is in trouble ?

[Snoogans]

I think Snoogans already reviewed the bowl process so I won;t go back to that.

The thing you have to realize is that the BCS you're complaining about was only set-up to ensure #1 v #2. Now you can argue if you want that TCU is better than either Auburn ( but you'd be insane ) or Oregon ( highly doubtful ) but outised of that we have the championship game we should have.

The other bowls are meaningless and are just to make money and for the fans. Yes even the other BCS bowl games.

You think Tostitos should have to shell out millions of dollars to host a game played by Boise St ? Why the hell would they do that ?

So they can have a stadium filled w/ 25K people ?

If you're not playing in the BCS title game it's meaningless as far as posturing.

The one thing you did miss Snoogans was that the Rose Bowl itself had to take a non-AQ one time in the next 4 years and I'm guessing they figured they probably wouldn't get a better shot than this year so they pulled the trigger instead of waiting 3 years and getting stuck with a 3 loss team from the WAC.



You really think the sport is hurting ? Are you kidding ?

2 conferences just completely changed the way they were doing business because the game is so big.

Conferences are getting their own networks and people are watching.

You think that means the sport is in trouble ?

i didnt miss that, i made the point somewhere in there that TCU had to be taken cause they finished in the top 4. The only time those have to take an AQ once in 4 years apply is when the AQ is ranked 4th or better. If TCU had lost they wouldnt have had to take one and if no AQ finished top 4 no one has to take one


and thats the other funny part. Most of these people who are sayin do a playoff are gonna get rid of all the other bowl games. So 8 or 16 schools will make a ton of extra money, and no other schools will make any post season money

and people really think that wont hurt college football more than only a few teams gettin a shot at the title but then 70 teams get a nice pay day from their bowls. Those "meaningless" bowl games payouts to the schools and conferences are what keeps so many schools able to play college football. You eliminate that, you are gonna cut us back to only have like 40-60 schools able to afford football

[JimBeam]

I think a lot of schools actually break even or lose money when they go to lesser bowls but when you're from the bigger conferences that's made up in the money you get from the bigger bowls.

Again these secondary bowls are for the fans and also allow the schools, NCAA and the sponsors to make money.

I have no complaints w/ seeing more football before it goes away for 8 months.

People have to stop looking at the games as levels of championships.

Rece Davis made a point that I only somewaht agree with and that was that other than the 2 teams playing for the title no teams are giving their all and that's why you can't make anything of the other games including the other BCS ones.

He said that if Wisconsin or TCU won it didn't mean either was better because neither played to their best since nothing was on the line.

There's a point to that but I think in lower tier bowls, not the BCS ones.

Sure Wisconsin could halfass it in the game, thinking they're gonna roll TCU, and that could burn them because nothings on the line but I'd still think it'd be huge for TCU.

Also a win by Wisconsin is a win against a BCS top 3 team and surely means something.

[Snoogans]

I think a lot of schools actually break even or lose money when they go to lesser bowls but when you're from the bigger conferences that's made up in the money you get from the bigger bowls.

Again these secondary bowls are for the fans and also allow the schools, NCAA and the sponsors to make money.

I have no complaints w/ seeing more football before it goes away for 8 months.

People have to stop looking at the games as levels of championships.

Rece Davis made a point that I only somewaht agree with and that was that other than the 2 teams playing for the title no teams are giving their all and that's why you can't make anything of the other games including the other BCS ones.

He said that if Wisconsin or TCU won it didn't mean either was better because neither played to their best since nothing was on the line.

There's a point to that but I think in lower tier bowls, not the BCS ones.

Sure Wisconsin could halfass it in the game, thinking they're gonna roll TCU, and that could burn them because nothings on the line but I'd still think it'd be huge for TCU.

Also a win by Wisconsin is a win against a BCS top 3 team and surely means something.

on the game itself the schools do sometimes cause travel and whatever. But that helps them with recruiting, gettin more talent to make more money. It also helps the conferences which turns and gives the money back to the schools. that money goes everywhere. without those bowls the system would have big problems

[ozzie]

and thats the other funny part. Most of these people who are sayin do a playoff are gonna get rid of all the other bowl games. So 8 or 16 schools will make a ton of extra money, and no other schools will make any post season money

and people really think that wont hurt college football more than only a few teams gettin a shot at the title but then 70 teams get a nice pay day from their bowls. Those "meaningless" bowl games payouts to the schools and conferences are what keeps so many schools able to play college football. You eliminate that, you are gonna cut us back to only have like 40-60 schools able to afford football

You do realize that with the exception of the independent schools, the bowl money is split amongst all of the schools in the conference, right?

In most cases, the only schools that end up in the black are those that don't travel to a bowl at all.

Vandy and Ole Piss will be reaping the benefits of the other 10 SEC schools that will be travelling to bowl sites, and trying to sell off their allotment of tickets (which they are forced to buy even if they can't sell).

If you had a playoff where all conferences sent a representative, they would all still see add'l revenue, and only one school would incur travel expenses.

And as far as "exposure"... Do you really think that the big time recruits around here would now suddenly be interested in attending Miami (OH) or Middle Tennessee just because they sent their shitty teams down here to play in the "GoDaddy.com Bowl"?

The city of Mobile will make each buy thousands of tickets to try to sell to their fans, and hope that they all get hotel rooms, and visit our local restaurants and shops, but no one from around here will be out there watching on a cold, Thursday night (school/work night).

It's on January 6th, for fucks sake. Even as hardcore as a fan as you are, I'll be curious to see if you tune in for this dogshit game.

[JimBeam]

It doesn't have to be the big time recruits. It's the next level that you may need and you might get by being in a bowl.

The school also gets another 30 or so days of practice time which is huge for a program.

The only thing a playoff solves is some silly idea of fairness. But you know until schools take the same exact path to a championship, which will obvioulsy never happen, it'll never be fair so I see no need for it.

We've had decades of champions, split or otherwise, and still watch so obviously things aren't as drastic as some make it seem.

As I said in a prior post I think ND got screwed in '93 but I'm over it now. I can simply say they should've beaten BC.

Auburn in 2004 ? If they had played a schedule like they did this year they would've been in.

[Snoogans]

You do realize that with the exception of the independent schools, the bowl money is split amongst all of the schools in the conference, right?

In most cases, the only schools that end up in the black are those that don't travel to a bowl at all.

Vandy and Ole Piss will be reaping the benefits of the other 10 SEC schools that will be travelling to bowl sites, and trying to sell off their allotment of tickets (which they are forced to buy even if they can't sell).

If you had a playoff where all conferences sent a representative, they would all still see add'l revenue, and only one school would incur travel expenses.

And as far as "exposure"... Do you really think that the big time recruits around here would now suddenly be interested in attending Miami (OH) or Middle Tennessee just because they sent their shitty teams down here to play in the "GoDaddy.com Bowl"?

The city of Mobile will make each buy thousands of tickets to try to sell to their fans, and hope that they all get hotel rooms, and visit our local restaurants and shops, but no one from around here will be out there watching on a cold, Thursday night (school/work night).

It's on January 6th, for fucks sake. Even as hardcore as a fan as you are, I'll be curious to see if you tune in for this dogshit game.

being i said multiple times the conference splits the money with the schools, yea i get that part

[Snoogans]

It doesn't have to be the big time recruits. It's the next level that you may need and you might get by being in a bowl.

The school also gets another 30 or so days of practice time which is huge for a program.

The only thing a playoff solves is some silly idea of fairness. But you know until schools take the same exact path to a championship, which will obvioulsy never happen, it'll never be fair so I see no need for it.

We've had decades of champions, split or otherwise, and still watch so obviously things aren't as drastic as some make it seem.

As I said in a prior post I think ND got screwed in '93 but I'm over it now. I can simply say they should've beaten BC.

Auburn in 2004 ? If they had played a schedule like they did this year they would've been in.

im not against a playoff. I think they should have one. Use the 8 top teams in the BCS, and then keep the existing bowls exactly as they are for the rest fo the schools. i want both, i was just commenting toward the people who want a playoff and eliminate all the bowls

[JimBeam]

I was responding to Ozzie.

The playoff doesn't work if you give a WAC the same path to a title that you give the SEC.

In the interest of being " fair " you're actually being unfair to those teams that play other top teams.

I know that the WAC can never and will never be able to play to the level of an SEC and because of that a pure playoff doesn't work.

SOS would have to be a major part of how you picked the 8 teams ( regardless of conference ). They'd end up using a formula similar to what we have now but hopefully it would penalize teams w/o a conference title game, teams that play FCS teams, etc ...

[ozzie]

It doesn't have to be the big time recruits. It's the next level that you may need and you might get by being in a bowl.

The school also gets another 30 or so days of practice time which is huge for a program.

The only thing a playoff solves is some silly idea of fairness. But you know until schools take the same exact path to a championship, which will obvioulsy never happen, it'll never be fair so I see no need for it.

We've had decades of champions, split or otherwise, and still watch so obviously things aren't as drastic as some make it seem.

As I said in a prior post I think ND got screwed in '93 but I'm over it now. I can simply say they should've beaten BC.

Auburn in 2004 ? If they had played a schedule like they did this year they would've been in.

They played the exact same conference schedule in 2004, except instead of playing SCar from the east, and again in the championship game, AU played UT in both the reg season and SECCG.

3 crappy non-conf games then, and now, only now they play 12 games instead of 11, which added another non-conf game against an AQ in Clemson.

I don't think that just adding Clemson made the difference between being #1 this year and #3 and out of the MNC game in 2004.

No other undefeated SEC champ has ever been shut out except that year. And very few one loss teams have been denied.

Just because the BCS got lucky this year and only 2 AQ schools were undefeated at the end of the year, doesn't mean that "the system works".

It happened before, and it will happen again.

[ozzie]

I was responding to Ozzie.

The playoff doesn't work if you give a WAC the same path to a title that you give the SEC.

In the interest of being " fair " you're actually being unfair to those teams that play other top teams.

I know that the WAC can never and will never be able to play to the level of an SEC and because of that a pure playoff doesn't work.

SOS would have to be a major part of how you picked the 8 teams ( regardless of conference ). They'd end up using a formula similar to what we have now but hopefully it would penalize teams w/o a conference title game, teams that play FCS teams, etc ...

I'm not a huge fan of Boise or the WAC, but this year I'd vote the WAC into a playoff ahead of UConn.

If anything, I'd give the Big East the "harder path" to the semi-finals.

And, if it came down to Boise or Va Tech for the 8th spot... I hate to say it, but you gotta look at the head to head result.

And, no, I'm not for the Sun Belt getting the same rights as the SEC, etc... but I'd let them "play in".

You know... like this...

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2015/ncaaplayoffbracket12091.jpg

And I read someone saying that Boise didn't win their conference.

From everything I've seen, it ended in a three way tie, with Boise beating Hawaii, Hawaii beating Nevada, and Nevada beating Boise.

So, for the sake of argument, I'm assuming that their tie breaker goes to the highest BCS ranked team, which is why I'm still showing Boise as the WAC representative.

[Snoogans]

thats why you use the BCS top 8. TCU woulda made it, boise if they hadnt lost, Utah if they hadnt lost. And Uconn woulda missed it. Tough luck faggots, dont lose so many games then

[Snoogans]

I'm not a huge fan of Boise or the WAC, but this year I'd vote the WAC into a playoff ahead of UConn.

If anything, I'd give the Big East the "harder path" to the semi-finals.

And, if it came down to Boise or Va Tech for the 8th spot... I hate to say it, but you gotta look at the head to head result.

And, no, I'm not for the Sun Belt getting the same rights as the SEC, etc... but I'd let them "play in".

You know... like this...

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2015/ncaaplayoffbracket12091.jpg

And I read someone saying that Boise didn't win their conference.

From everything I've seen, it ended in a three way tie, with Boise beating Hawaii, Hawaii beating Nevada, and Nevada beating Boise.

So, for the sake of argument, I'm assuming that their tie breaker goes to the highest BCS ranked team, which is why I'm still showing Boise as the WAC representative.

from what i heard on college football live, and this was before the bowl selection which i havent even looked at yet cause the knicks are too awesome, Nevada ended up gettin the WAC representation, but even still, that only further makes my point. I was explaining why Boise went to such a shitty bowl, cause thats the WAC rep bowl.

[razorboy]

I wonder what the over-under for fumbles in this awful game is?

[Snacks]

did they give the Heisman to Newton yet or are they still doing the 2 hour pre award nonsense?

[Snoogans]

did they give the Heisman to Newton yet or are they still doing the 2 hour pre award nonsense?

i dont think he is gonna get it. The Football Writers assoc didnt vote him an all american, so i dont know if he was gonna get enough heisman votes

[Snacks]

i dont think he is gonna get it. The Football Writers assoc didnt vote him an all american, so i dont know if he was gonna get enough heisman votes

its a lock he will get it. he might even win it in a landslide and be in the top 5 overall winners ever. Behind Oj and Troy Smith but ahead of Desmond Howard!

[Snoogans]

its a lock he will get it. he might even win it in a landslide and be in the top 5 overall winners ever. Behind Oj and Troy Smith but ahead of Desmond Howard!

ok then why didnt the writers, who also vote for heisman, vote him an all american?

[Snoogans]

i dont get it, how is he not an all american?

[Snacks]

ok then why didnt the writers, who also vote for heisman, vote him an all american?

because hes not the best QB but hes is the best all around college player this year!

[razorboy]

Of course they run a documentary on SMU after the presentation. VEEERRRRRY subtle.

[Snacks]

Of course they run a documentary on SMU after the presentation. VEEERRRRRY subtle.

i set my dvr to record it cant wait to see it.

so who won? i didnt watch espn. what was the totals?

[razorboy]

i set my dvr to record it cant wait to see it.

so who won? i didnt watch espn. what was the totals?

Newton won, not sure about the vote numbers.

[El Mudo]

Newton won, not sure about the vote numbers.

Blew them out

Newton, the third player from Auburn to win the Heisman, received 729 first-place votes and outpointed runner-up Andrew Luck of Stanford by 1,184 points.

Oregon running back LaMichael James was third, followed by Boise State quarterback Kellen Moore, the other finalist.

2010 Heisman Trophy Voting
Player Pts 1st-place votes
Cam Newton 2,263 729
Andrew Luck 1,079 78
LaMichael James 916 22
Kellen Moore 635 40

[ozzie]

Nike reveals new uniforms Oregon Ducks will wear against Auburn:

http://media.oregonlive.com/behindducksbeat/photo/9122285-large.jpg

I was fearing something much worse.

[JimBeam]

ok then why didnt the writers, who also vote for heisman, vote him an all american?

He was only left off 1 All American team that was voted on by 12 writers a few weeks ago.

As far as I know he was 1st team on all other teams that have been announced.

There was some silly number of voters that didn't even have Newton on their ballot.

A few guys thinking there saving us from the evils of the world and making a point.

Are Heisman voters ( other than former winners ) and their votes made public ?

[ozzie]

He was only left off 1 All American team that was voted on by 12 writers a few weeks ago.

As far as I know he was 1st team on all other teams that have been announced.

There was some silly number of voters that didn't even have Newton on their ballot.

A few guys thinking there saving us from the evils of the world and making a point.

Are Heisman voters ( other than former winners ) and their votes made public ?

Thayer Evans (foxsports) was leading the campaign to get heisman voters to leave him off.

They reported that over 100 voters followed suit.

Cam grabbed #1 votes from 93% of those that included him on their ballot.

If he had gotten 90+% of the other ballots, he would have been breaking records.

[JimBeam]

Do you know if they publish the votes per voter ?

They should.

[TheGameHHH]

This kind of gives me a boner (http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba/news/story?id=5924399)

[ozzie]

This kind of gives me a boner (http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba/news/story?id=5924399)

I like it, a lot.

[Snoogans]

it would be better if it wasnt mark cuban. He seemed to fail everything he has done since he bought the Mavs

[BEEZonTHEsack]

New College Football Playoffs and Championship???? http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba/news/story?id=5924399

Finally it may actually happen.:clap:

[BEEZonTHEsack]

it would be better if it wasnt mark cuban. He seemed to fail everything he has done since he bought the Mavs

He took the zero of a basketball team, got a state of the art arena built, was integral in the HD transformation of television, invented broadcast.com and sold it for billions... he has a few successes under his belt though.

[Snoogans]

He took the zero of a basketball team, got a state of the art arena built, was integral in the HD transformation of television, invented broadcast.com and sold it for billions... he has a few successes under his belt though.

all the stuff with HD and all that shit with billions was before. He took the mavs, threw money at everything and fixed alot, no doubt. But since he has been basically just running the mavs, most things have failed. He tried to get the cubs, failed, tried to get the rangers, failed. Tried to get a championship, and is probably gonna fail. Im not doubting his usiness ability, but its the fails in sports that i meant

[JimBeam]

Don't forget w/ Turtle's help he was able to buy that guy's family owned tequila business.

[Tenbatsuzen]

all the stuff with HD and all that shit with billions was before. He took the mavs, threw money at everything and fixed alot, no doubt. But since he has been basically just running the mavs, most things have failed. He tried to get the cubs, failed, tried to get the rangers, failed. Tried to get a championship, and is probably gonna fail. Im not doubting his usiness ability, but its the fails in sports that i meant

Trying to get the ballclubs was mainly a cockblock by MLB's owners, not a "failure". You ask most fans if they want Mark Cuban running their club and they say yes.

[JimBeam]

If the people that are complaining about UConn being stuck w/ the financial burden of a bowl game are the same people who argue for a playoff they're missing that their opionions conflict.

UConn won it's conference ( something that Boise St did not do so enough about them ) and therefore was sent to it's conferences bowl tie-in.

If there was a playoff they'd have still been their leagues represnentative and sent on the road as well. To think that the travel and attendance requirements would be different in that scenario is plain wrong.

UConn wanted to play big boy football and should've known their fan base wasn't big boy football. Their predicament is due to them being part of a major conference in all sports more than it is due to the BCS. A conference where they reap benefits in men's and women's basketball.

How many people would be bitching and moaning if UConn was 11-0 and wasn't invited to a BCS bowl game ?

UConn itself would be crying that they were being disrespected and all this talk of money they'd lose wouldn't make the local newspapers nevermind ESPN.

[JimBeam]

OK so I was bored and started thinking about how a " playoff " in college football could/would work and here's what I find.

- You take the winners of the top 8 conferences providing they finish in the top 16 of the BCS ( or some version of it ) standings.
- That means if the winner of the WAC is 9th, the winner of CUSA is 13th and the winner of the MWC is 17th, providing the big 6 are all ranked higher, then the MWC is out.
- You also take 6 at large teams, again using the BCS-like formula.
- You give the top 2 teams a bye and the other 12 teams play w/ the higher ranked team being the home team.
- You're then left w/ 8 teams who can now play in the 4 major bowl games.
- From there you're left w/ 4 teams and you match them up in 2 of the major bowls ( rotated yearly.
- Lastly we're down to 2 teams that play in one of the major bowls ( again rotating yearly ).

Here's what it would look like w/ this year's teams ( although I included UConn as the Big East winner even though they weren't within the Top 16. I did this to drive home the point that they'd be traveling in any post-season scenario ) :

- Auburn ( bye ), Oregon ( bye )
- UConn @ TCU
- Nevada @ Stanford
- Va Tech @ Wisconsin
- LSU @ Oh St
- Boise St @ Oklahoma
- Mich St @ Arkansas
- Missouri ( 12th ) and Ok St ( 14th ) are left out to make room for winners of the WAC ( Nevada at #15 ) and Big East ( UConn not in BCS Top 25 ).

Providing the top seeds win out here's your first bowl round (*) :

- Arkansas/Auburn in the Sugar Bowl
- Oklahoma/Oregon in the Rose Bowl
- Wisconsin/Stanford in the Fiesta Bowl
- Oh St/TCU in the Orange Bowl

(*) You'd give the top 4 teams regional preference with regards to bowl sites. The NCAA would maybe want to do this to reduce travel. In the above scenario you could swap the Oh St/TCU and Wisconsin/Stanford bowl sites but I'd think this is more feasible

Now you're left w/ 4 teams that could play at 2 of the bowl sites :

- TCU/Auburn in the Sugar Bowl
- Stanford/Oregon in the Rose Bowl

You finish it up w/ the 2 remaining teams in the Championship Bowl site ( this year the Fiesta Bowl ) :

- Oregon/Auburn in the Fiesta Bowl

I didn't think too much into the logisitics of reducing a regular season schedule or any other points of resistance the NCAA and/or schools would have but this could work.

[ozzie]

I was looking for this thread over the weekend.

Never thought of looking in: General Discussion > Listening Threads

[Snoogans]

I was looking for this thread over the weekend.

Never thought of looking in: General Discussion > Listening Threads

thats weird. When i made it, i put it in games and sports. So someone musta moved it during some show football convo or something

[JimBeam]

No love for my playoff scenario by all you playoff guys ?

[ozzie]

No love for my playoff scenario by all you playoff guys ?

Yeah, sorry... happy to have another convert on board.

Welcome.

And I'm all for any format that includes auto-bids for various conference champions that meet set qualifications.

I could really care less if the team that finishes second or third in a conference feels that they were "left out" or not.

Now that AU is in the big game, people have asked me if I think that they "got it right" with AU and Oregon.

I can honestly say, NO!

Obviously those two would be in "my" playoff this year.

But so would Wisconsin, TCU, Oklahoma, Va Tech and if the WAC decided that Boise was their champ because they had the highest rank, them too.

I don't care about Stanford "getting screwed", they didn't win their conference.

They had a head-to-head shot against Oregon, and they lost. The end.

And fuck you Ohio State, Arkansas, LSU, Michigan State and Missouri.

As you've seen, personally, I proposed putting all the conference champs in, but if we're limited to an 8 team field, I have no problem seeding the top 8 champs.

But either way... I like that more people are coming around to the idea. The details will work themselves out, and none of us will have any say in what we get anyway.

[JimBeam]

I had mentioned in the past that none of the main ESPN college guys were for a playoff but I know that Fowler seems to desise the BCS format. I don't know if that means he's pro playoff or what his opinion is but he seems to mock this current system when he does the BCS shows.

I don't agree that a champion of a so-so league should get in over a 1 loss team from a good conference though.

If Auburn had lost to South Carolina I don't think it's cut and dry to say " Hey you didn't win your conference so you're out. "

I think at that point they had played and beaten 6 teams in the BCS Top 25.

That says more than winning a MWC or a WAC where you might've played 1 team in the BCS Top 25.

At some point it's no longer about winning games but who you've beaten.

[ozzie]

I guess my "vision" is that each conference should be entitled to their own method of choosing their conference champion.

The SEC decided to split into divisions and have a conference championship game. Mainly because once they expanded to 12 teams, each only playing 8 conference games, they wanted to make sure that the two "top teams" had a chance head-to-head to decide the better team on the field. (Although you can still have three-way ties within divisions)

Some years one division is much stronger than the other. Just like some years one conference is stronger than another. And you could argue that, say, AU beating Bama was the "real" championship game... just like many years in the NFL, one conference game might have been the "real" championship, and the SuperBowl, just a formality.

2007 was a perfect example. We were "this" close to having Missouri playing West Virginia for the MNC. LSU had been punished in the polls (#7) for having two in-conference losses. There were six teams ranked ahead who hadn't played the schedule they had. One of those was Va Tech, who LSU had DESTROYED in week two!

It was shear luck that everything worked out the last weekend, and they got in, and had the opportunity to prove on the field who was the best team that year.

I just don't like the idea of penalizing any division or conference champ based on playing a tougher schedule.

That's why I support every (or at least most) conference champs getting in... and every "division" champ getting into their CCG.

This year, sure, AU had already played the 'cocks head to head, and it didn't seem "right" that they should have to beat them again. But there are some years where the two teams in the CG didn't face each other in the regular season, and one may have an easier (undefeated) road to the CG, and the other suffer a loss or two in a tougher division.

To me, what the SEC (and other conferences) are doing, is a fair, "playoff" format already. It might not always put their "best" team into the dance... but they were the ones that set up the rules, and belive me, Slive and the other commissioners are VERY interested in getting one of their own a NC. At least every team in every conference can say that they had a "fair" chance to win their conference.

The year that little Kansas State beat the undefeated Oklahoma in their CG... and OU still got to play for the MNC? Hell yes, KState should have went as their rep in a playoff that year, and OU would have had no complaint about not getting in.

Nebraska, not even having to play in their CG... and playing for the MNC? C'mon man! You gotta at LEAST win your own f'ing division!

One of the arguments I've always heard against a playoff, is that people think that it would diminish the significance of the regular season.

I think that if each only gets ONE in, it would INCREASE the intensity of the "rival games", and increase interest in the outcomes in other conferences.

Be honest... outside of our Va Tech fan on here, and the Semenhole fans I'm surrounded by... did anyone else really care who won the ACCCG this year?

I doubt many did, because it was apparent by their rankings that neither would be a factor in the MNC this year.

But if that decided which went to a playoff... and, say, who AU would have to face in the quarterfinals... it would increase intere$t.

If you have X number of "at large" teams getting in, then there would have been no drama in the SECCG. AU could have relaxed, knowing they were already in. In fact, this already happens in basketball conf tourneys every year. A "bubble team" may NEED to win the conf tourney to get in, while the higher seeds are relaxed. Some years I've suspected that some conf tourney's were "set up" so a particular conf could get another team into the dance. I guess that's why I'm not a big fan of formats that include "at large" teams.

On the flip side... you could say that AU already had the West clinched before going to Tuscaloosa... and it might have diminished the importance of the Iron Bowl this particular year... but I think that overall, the positives outweigh the negatives.

And most schools schedule "rival" or at least conference games at the end anyway. I don't see many sitting players or taking it easy just because they've already clinched their division or conference... but I guess that's the "fear" that the traditionalists point out.

I also believe that if winning your conference is the only criteria for making a playoff, that schools (coaches) would be more receptive to scheduling tougher (and more interesting) non-conference games in order to gain the experience, take in the higher payout, without the risk of hurting their MNC/playoff chances.

[JimBeam]

I agree there are times when the winning the conference has to make sense ( both the Nebraska and Oklahoma issues ).

Now I don't recall those teams schedules offhand but I doubt they were as strong as Auburn's was this year.

Again it's my personal belief that you should not be able to WAC your way through a season and put yourself in the same position as a team that ran an SEC/Big 10/Big 12 schedule.

I also believe that if winning your conference is the only criteria for making a playoff, that schools (coaches) would be more receptive to scheduling tougher (and more interesting) non-conference games in order to gain the experience, take in the higher payout, without the risk of hurting their MNC/playoff chances.

I think the opposite because seeding will matter and a team is not going to take a chance losing to a good non-conference team and end up the lowest seed playing the best team in the country.

That's when I think you'd have to give preference to winners of conference title games and punish teams that play FCS teams ( and driving home the point again that if you lose one of these games, and still win your conference, it should still kill your seeding ).

[JimBeam]

Colin Cowherd reported that 5 Oh St players, including Terrell Pryor, have to miss the 1st 5 games next season due to receiving illegal benefits ( tattoos is what I read this morning ).

Dates back to 2009.

Not sure why it doesn't count for the bowl game but I guess it has something to do w/ an appeal.

[Snacks]

Colin Cowherd reported that 5 Oh St players, including Terrell Pryor, have to miss the 1st 5 games next season due to receiving illegal benefits ( tattoos is what I read this morning ).

Dates back to 2009.

Not sure why it doesn't count for the bowl game but I guess it has something to do w/ an appeal.

did you hear what happened? they got tats for free because they gave autographs. So if a college player signs something and gets tattoo, a cup of coffee, anything they are considered in violations? please the ncaa is a cartel that gets away with labor abuse because thats all these players are, labor for their business!

[ozzie]

There's a little more to it than that:

Five players were found to have sold awards, gifts and university apparel, plus receive improper benefits in 2009. In addition to missing five games next season, Pryor, Mike Adams, Daniel Herron, Devier Posey and Solomon Thomas must repay money and benefits ranging in value from $1,000 to $2,500. The repayments must be made to a charity.

- Pryor must repay $2,500 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring, a 2009 Fiesta Bowl sportsmanship award and his 2008 Gold Pants, a gift from the university.

- Herron must repay $1,150 for selling his football jersey, pants and shoes for $1,000 and receiving discounted services worth $150.

- Posey must repay $1,250 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring for $1,200 and receiving discounted services worth $50.

- Adams must repay $1,000 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring.

- Thomas must repay $1,505 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring for $1,000, his 2008 Gold Pants for $350 and receiving discounted services worth $155.



Gold Pants???

And I find it amusing that Pryor sold a sportsmanship award.

The penalty seems to be in line with what A.J. Green served this last year for selling his jersey to an "agent".

[Snacks]

There's a little more to it than that:

Five players were found to have sold awards, gifts and university apparel, plus receive improper benefits in 2009. In addition to missing five games next season, Pryor, Mike Adams, Daniel Herron, Devier Posey and Solomon Thomas must repay money and benefits ranging in value from $1,000 to $2,500. The repayments must be made to a charity.

- Pryor must repay $2,500 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring, a 2009 Fiesta Bowl sportsmanship award and his 2008 Gold Pants, a gift from the university.

- Herron must repay $1,150 for selling his football jersey, pants and shoes for $1,000 and receiving discounted services worth $150.

- Posey must repay $1,250 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring for $1,200 and receiving discounted services worth $50.

- Adams must repay $1,000 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring.

- Thomas must repay $1,505 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring for $1,000, his 2008 Gold Pants for $350 and receiving discounted services worth $155.



Gold Pants???

And I find it amusing that Pryor sold a sportsmanship award.

The penalty seems to be in line with what A.J. Green served this last year for selling his jersey to an "agent".

and why cant they sell this stuff? Its theirs right he won and or earned these things? Why should they say he cant sell his shit but they can sell everything and make money off of him? But these poor kids with no money cant enjoy themselves? They cant earn money while in school because there are even regulations against that as well as they dont have the time because of football and classes. always fucking over the poor.

[ozzie]

and why cant they sell this stuff? Its theirs right he won and or earned these things? Why should they say he cant sell his shit but they can sell everything and make money off of him? But these poor kids with no money cant enjoy themselves? They cant earn money while in school because there are even regulations against that as well as they dont have the time because of football and classes. always fucking over the poor.

Ok, I HAD to look up this gold pants thing... and it's a tOSU thing...

http://www.coachtressel.com/images/tradition/gold_pants.jpg

Since 1934, each player and coach receives a miniature pair of gold pants for each victory over Michigan. The charms contain the recipient's initials as well as the year and score of "The Game".

And, you're absolutely right... if they aren't allowed to pay them cash, it seems strange that they can get away with giving them gifts that have cash value, but not allow them to sell the items.

You can give "Gold Pants" worth $350.00, but not $350.00 in cash... and you're in trouble if you sell those pants?