2010 College Football thread

[Snacks]

and how are these kids going to repay the money? They want them to sit out for 5 games and repay the money to a charity. Arent these kids a charity themselves? They are broke, its bad enough you are suspending them but to add insult to injury you are going to make poor kids somehow get money that they dont have or have a way to earn?

Anyone who likes anything about the NCAA is as retarded as the NCAA is!

All these kids should go pro, if they are too young for the NFL they should all go to the UFL. That will help the UFL, may force the NFL to let younger classmen come out and might make it tougher for college programs with power which might make these programs actually fight for the kids rather then just move in the next class of stud they already have waiting!

[JimBeam]

I agree there is something wierd about not being able to sell something that's yours but what I heard is that the concern is that somebody would pay more for it than it's worth ( say a booster giving $20K for a ring ) and that's were the improper benfit comes in.

I also heard that they didn't get penalized for the bowl game because " they weren't aware of the rule " at the time they commited the offense. That's as much BS as the penalty itself. I'm sure it's not a new rule so how would they not be aware of it.

The whole argument that they " should be allowed to get jobs like regular students " argument is horseshit. If they want to be like regular students than they can pay their own tuition and not get the special tutoring that they're provided.

These kids are getting something that would retail $250K at certain schools. A price tag where even if they have to worry about buying their own books and supplies is something most of them would never be able to do w/o a scholarship.

You don't want to be " used " by the university go join the military to pay for college and see how that turns out. Better yet don't go to college and see how that helps you.

I've said it before but we act like those of us that work for companies aren't " used " every day if you compare the profits of what they make to what we're paid.

I refuse to feel sorry for somebody who's given something that 95% of the rest of their peers pay for well into their adult lives.

[Snacks]

I agree there is something wierd about not being able to sell something that's yours but what I heard is that the concern is that somebody would pay more for it than it's worth ( say a booster giving $20K for a ring ) and that's were the improper benfit comes in.

I also heard that they didn't get penalized for the bowl game because " they weren't aware of the rule " at the time they commited the offense. That's as much BS as the penalty itself. I'm sure it's not a new rule so how would they not be aware of it.

The whole argument that they " should be allowed to get jobs like regular students " argument is horseshit. If they want to be like regular students than they can pay their own tuition and not get the special tutoring that they're provided.

These kids are getting something that would retail $250K at certain schools. A price tag where even if they have to worry about buying their own books and supplies is something most of them would never be able to do w/o a scholarship.

You don't want to be " used " by the university go join the military to pay for college and see how that turns out. Better yet don't go to college and see how that helps you.

I've said it before but we act like those of us that work for companies aren't " used " every day if you compare the profits of what they make to what we're paid.

I refuse to feel sorry for somebody who's given something that 95% of the rest of their peers pay for well into their adult lives.

no whats bullshit is that other college student can get jobs even those who are on scholarship. just the ones on athletic scholarships cant work.

You solve the problem of overpayment for something by setting up a system that creates values or pricing for these things. regulate that by having one company sell everything. thats a lot easier to regulate then a kid with no money trying to get a few dollars.

They work harder then 95% of their peers and they also are making money to that pay for 95% of their peers education, teachers, building and experience. These kids are more valuable to their colleges then any other student! They bring money in, and status that makes other students want to go to these schools and pay!

[JimBeam]

You think Terrell Pryor is keeping the lights on at Ohio State ? Allowing teachers to work there ?

That's crazy talk.

People have been going to colleges since long before college football was a money maker.

The 50K other students that are paying full price for their education are the ones who are allowing football to be it's own product.

There are plenty of kids willing to take scholarships to Oh St and follow the rules.

People will fill that stadium regardless of whether or not Terrell Pryor or anybody like him is under center. The filled it when Herbstreit was there and they'll continue to do so.

No, you keep the system as it is and allow Terrell Pryor to pursue another line of work.

He can go play DIII ball, w/o the TV, and see how his shot at the NFL goes from there.

Other college students can get jobs beause they have to pay for their classes. They also have to more than likely worry about a student loan which they'll be paying for years.

Something a college football scholarship athlete won't have to worry about.

[ozzie]

While looking up the info on the "Gold Pants", I found NO shortage of "Gold Pants" available for sale, so obviously players are selling them off.

I guess the "trick" is to wait until after you graduate. Then you can do with this shit what you want.

So they are still receiving items of value, that they can sell... they just have to wait? That's ok?

Go to eBay and search for "championship ring", and see what you find.

Now, I don't really think that a HS player is going to choose tOSU over Rutgers in hopes of getting a few sets of $350 "Gold Pants" to sell after 4 years... but once you start giving them ANYTHING above what they'd get at other schools, it opens up loop holes.

What if Auburn started their own "tradition" of giving out brand new BMW's to the players that won the Iron Bowl, inscribed with their initials and the score just like the "Gold Pants" are?

Does the value of the "gift" matter? Does it matter that tOSU's "tradition" started in 1934... and Auburn starts theirs in 2011? Does the NCAA monitor the value of a championship ring? Can the SEC suddenly allow their schools to give out diamond rings worth $50k, while the Big 12's are only worth $2k?

I don't get how the crime was in the SELLING of these items, and not in the giving of the items themselves. It seems like the school, the conference, and this loophole should be investigated and not the players that accepted these "gifts".

Again... so it's ok to give a "gift" with a monetary value that a player can sell after he's no longer eligible to play... but they're punished if they sell it while they are active players?

It just doesn't make any sense.

From what I saw, the money the tOSU players got for these items was not excessive. Most of the "Gold Pants" I saw for sale were more than the $350.00 that they reportedly got, and the price for the rings and awards seemed in line with the value of the material they were made from.

I do agree that, while it seems petty, if you allow them to trade autographs for Tats, you open up a loophole that could allow boosters to accept autographs as payment for anything.

And, yeah, once you start allowing D-1A football players to "work", you start having Oklahoma QB's back earning "commisions" for car's they were reported to have sold for dealerships while they were in their room asleep.

Having the NCAA monitor "fair wages" is another "slippery slope".

[Snacks]

You think Terrell Pryor is keeping the lights on at Ohio State ? Allowing teachers to work there ?

That's crazy talk.

People have been going to colleges since long before college football was a money maker.

The 50K other students that are paying full price for their education are the ones who are allowing football to be it's own product.

There are plenty of kids willing to take scholarships to Oh St and follow the rules.

People will fill that stadium regardless of whether or not Terrell Pryor or anybody like him is under center. The filled it when Herbstreit was there and they'll continue to do so.

No, you keep the system as it is and allow Terrell Pryor to pursue another line of work.

He can go play DIII ball, w/o the TV, and see how his shot at the NFL goes from there.

Other college students can get jobs beause they have to pay for their classes. They also have to more than likely worry about a student loan which they'll be paying for years.

Something a college football scholarship athlete won't have to worry about.

I guess you missed the part where I said that other scholarship students can get jobs like academic scholarship students who pay for nothing but have no requirements outside of grades. They can work and do as they please. Its stupid and its making money off poor kids who have no other options!

[JimBeam]

I guess you missed the part where I said that other scholarship students can get jobs like academic scholarship students who pay for nothing but have no requirements outside of grades. They can work and do as they please. Its stupid and its making money off poor kids who have no other options!

Kids on academic scholarships do not get to eat in the sports cafateria. They don't get to go to dinner in a restaurant, see a movie and sleep in a hotel the night before a home game, all on the schools dime.

They do not get to have tutors on demand. They do not get to move their exams around and take them when it's convenient.

They also have to maintain ridiculous GPAs while athletes can get by on barely the minimum.

Making money off of poor kids ? What about the fact that these kids get the chance to improve their futures ?

Let's do away w/ all athletic scholarships and see how that turns out. It works in college baseball where very few players are on full rides and the product is still competetive.

The game will still go on, as it has for decades, but what happens to the kids that now nol longer have a shot at an education ?

[JimBeam]

While looking up the info on the "Gold Pants", I found NO shortage of "Gold Pants" available for sale, so obviously players are selling them off.

I guess the "trick" is to wait until after you graduate. Then you can do with this shit what you want.

So they are still receiving items of value, that they can sell... they just have to wait? That's ok?

Go to eBay and search for "championship ring", and see what you find.

Now, I don't really think that a HS player is going to choose tOSU over Rutgers in hopes of getting a few sets of $350 "Gold Pants" to sell after 4 years... but once you start giving them ANYTHING above what they'd get at other schools, it opens up loop holes.

What if Auburn started their own "tradition" of giving out brand new BMW's to the players that won the Iron Bowl, inscribed with their initials and the score just like the "Gold Pants" are?

Does the value of the "gift" matter? Does it matter that tOSU's "tradition" started in 1934... and Auburn starts theirs in 2011? Does the NCAA monitor the value of a championship ring? Can the SEC suddenly allow their schools to give out diamond rings worth $50k, while the Big 12's are only worth $2k?

I don't get how the crime was in the SELLING of these items, and not in the giving of the items themselves. It seems like the school, the conference, and this loophole should be investigated and not the players that accepted these "gifts".

Again... so it's ok to give a "gift" with a monetary value that a player can sell after he's no longer eligible to play... but they're punished if they sell it while they are active players?

It just doesn't make any sense.

From what I saw, the money the tOSU players got for these items was not excessive. Most of the "Gold Pants" I saw for sale were more than the $350.00 that they reportedly got, and the price for the rings and awards seemed in line with the value of the material they were made from.

I do agree that, while it seems petty, if you allow them to trade autographs for Tats, you open up a loophole that could allow boosters to accept autographs as payment for anything.

And, yeah, once you start allowing D-1A football players to "work", you start having Oklahoma QB's back earning "commisions" for car's they were reported to have sold for dealerships while they were in their room asleep.

Having the NCAA monitor "fair wages" is another "slippery slope".

All you say hear leads to a world where Notre Dame gets back to the tops as w/ a $1 billion sports bank they could outbuy any school, especially state schools.

[Snoogans]

Rutgers should start a ford F150 tradition. Then maybe we would have someone on the OLine that could fuckin block

[CountryBob]

Kids on academic scholarships do not get to eat in the sports cafateria. They don't get to go to dinner in a restaurant, see a movie and sleep in a hotel the night before a home game, all on the schools dime.

They do not get to have tutors on demand. They do not get to move their exams around and take them when it's convenient.

They also have to maintain ridiculous GPAs while athletes can get by on barely the minimum.

Making money off of poor kids ? What about the fact that these kids get the chance to improve their futures ?

Let's do away w/ all athletic scholarships and see how that turns out. It works in college baseball where very few players are on full rides and the product is still competetive.

The game will still go on, as it has for decades, but what happens to the kids that now nol longer have a shot at an education ?

Go away with athletic scholarships and then you will have nothing but slow white kids playing sports with shitty eliteist attitudes. Just like the Country Club scene.

[JimBeam]

People watch college football for the teams, not the players, since they change every 4 years.

People will still watch college football, as they did decades ago, whether or not there are black kids playing.

See how much kids are crying about being paid to play when there are no options for them.

Maybe that opens a loophole for kids to go straight to the NFL but do you think the NFL wants early entry kids w/ no experience.

[CountryBob]

People watch college football for the teams, not the players, since they change every 4 years.

People will still watch college football, as they did decades ago, whether or not there are black kids playing.

See how much kids are crying about being paid to play when there are no options for them.

Maybe that opens a loophole for kids to go straight to the NFL but do you think the NFL wants early entry kids w/ no experience.

Seems like the NFL would want straight from high school players. That way they could sign them to minimums and only pay them when they start showing talent.

But I kinda disagree with the people watch teams analogy. People watch teams because they win or because they went to school or have a connection there. Take away the winning and you will see a decline in attendance and viewers. If you drop the scholarships - you will drop the talent pool and ultimately, the wins. Winning is what keeps fans.

[JimBeam]

How do you explain ND's popularity seeing as though they haven't really been relevant in almost 20 years ?

Wins argument makes no sense because regardless of who's playing somebody wins and somebody loses.

So LSU and Alabama can still be good w/ a local kid going there as an in state student.

ND/Mich/Oh St can be good because kids who want a degree from a well respected school could go there.

[CountryBob]

How do you explain ND's popularity seeing as though they haven't really been relevant in almost 20 years ?

Wins argument makes no sense because regardless of who's playing somebody wins and somebody loses.

So LSU and Alabama can still be good w/ a local kid going there as an in state student.

ND/Mich/Oh St can be good because kids who want a degree from a well respected school could go there.

I never really understood the ND appeal - I just assumed that alot of their fan base were because of the religious Catholic angle. :unsure: But, I guarantee that their popularity has dropped over these years of shit.

VaTech and UVA are a great example. Until Michael Vick came to Tech, they were not on any radar for football. All was focused toward UVA (UVA won many more games for years). Once Tech started putting together winning seasons, their popularity has exploded. All thanks to the majority of players that would not have been there if no scholarships. Now, UVA has stunk it up for years now and their popularity has dropped big time.

I like the get a degree from a good school idea but without scholarships, you will be fielding a team from students that had the financial ability to attend (not talent based recruiting) and the majority of football scholarship receipiants (currently) would not have the financial backing to go there.

[JimBeam]

ND may have lost some fans, mostly fairweather ones, but their following is still huge.

Beamer had an awful lot to do w/ Va Tech becoming a noticeable team probably more so than Vick.

What Beamer did w/ Va Tech was similar to what Bowden and Spurrier did at FSU and UF respectively.

All benefited from the growth of the game itself.

I like the get a degree from a good school idea but without scholarships, you will be fielding a team from students that had the financial ability to attend (not talent based recruiting) and the majority of football scholarship receipiants (currently) would not have the financial backing to go there.

It can't be said that the only good players are from disadvantaged homes.

I'd have no way of proving this but I'd bet Andrew Luck comes from a fairly well off family and would've played college football regardless of a scholarship.

That's a kid that'll probably be the #1 pick in the NFL draft.

There's obvioulsy talent outside of inner city/backwoods minority homes.

[CountryBob]

ND may have lost some fans, mostly fairweather ones, but their following is still huge.

Beamer had an awful lot to do w/ Va Tech becoming a noticeable team probably more so than Vick.

What Beamer did w/ Va Tech was similar to what Bowden and Spurrier did at FSU and UF respectively.

All benefited from the growth of the game itself.



It can't be said that the only good players are from disadvantaged homes.

I'd have no way of proving this but I'd bet Andrew Luck comes from a fairly well off family and would've played college football regardless of a scholarship.

That's a kid that'll probably be the #1 pick in the NFL draft.

There's obvioulsy talent outside of inner city/backwoods minority homes.

Yeah I'm not saying only good players are from disadvantaged homes. But the way our economy is I would say the majority.
I was at VaTech when Beamer started and yes he is a great coach but the place went gangbusters because of Michael Vick. After the National Championship run of 1998, the money that started pouring into Tech was a direct result of winning plain and simple. The stadium was improved and I bet that other recruits started wanting to come there because of winning. Vick was that special to VaTech success.

[JimBeam]

There's no doubt that players from " lesser income " type families make up a lot, not saying most, of the talent.

I think that has a lot to do w/ why Boise St has done well. They've gone to California and taken players, from questionable areas, that no other schools would've even given a sniff.

[razorboy]

THAT was excessive celebration? What a load of shit. Crooked ass refs.

[spoon]

Army with a BOWL WIN!

[cougarjake13]

THAT was excessive celebration? What a load of shit. Crooked ass refs.

yeh i couldnt believe it either

i could undertsand if a bunch of them did it



whats next

penalizing a guy for going on one knee and looking up to god ??

[spoon]

yeh i couldnt believe it either

i could undertsand if a bunch of them did it



whats next

penalizing a guy for going on one knee and looking up to god ??

what did he do?

[cougarjake13]

what did he do?

did an army salute after scoring



http://media.syracuse.com/kirst/photo/9160410-large.jpg

[razorboy]

what did he do?

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Fucking joke. Refs just have to make themselves the story.

[spoon]

did an army salute after scoring



http://media.syracuse.com/kirst/photo/9160410-large.jpg

Was there an insult in there or something?

What was the big deal? I'm not as familiar with the details of the NCAA rules, but that seems pretty tame to me.

[spoon]

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Fucking joke. Refs just have to make themselves the story.

If the rule is as the announcers state, the issue is with the rules here more than the ref's call. I get they hardly call such a light offense, but it's always possible if you give the ref something like that if it's the rule.

[razorboy]

If the rule is as the announcers state, the issue is with the rules here more than the ref's call. I get they hardly call such a light offense, but it's always possible if you give the ref something like that if it's the rule.

The refs just have too much discretion. By the letter of the rule it may be a penalty, but you rarely see something that innocuous called. Especially with a minute left in a bowl game to set a needed TPC basically out of range.

[Snoogans]

The refs just have too much discretion. By the letter of the rule it may be a penalty, but you rarely see something that innocuous called. Especially with a minute left in a bowl game to set a needed TPC basically out of range.

wait, so 35 yards is out of range? Any kicker should be able to hit from 35 straight on. Its not like you are backin it up from 30-45. It goes from 20-35, its not that big a deal

[razorboy]

wait, so 35 yards is out of range? Any kicker should be able to hit from 35 straight on. Its not like you are backin it up from 30-45. It goes from 20-35, its not that big a deal

TPC referring to the two-point conversion that was needed to tie.

[Snacks]

how boring has these games been? this is what happens when every single game means nothing. no one really cares who wins because winning means dick. you dont win anything!

[Snoogans]

TPC referring to the two-point conversion that was needed to tie.

oh fuck. my bad. I wasnt watchin the game, i just heard about it

[Snacks]

Does college football have a different rating system when it comes to QBs? I have always thought Jake locker is very overrated so I wanted to look up his stats.

Here they are

Passing Stats
Season TEAM G ATT COMP YDS INT TDS SACKED RATING
2007-08 Washington 12 328 155 2062 15 14 18 105.0
2008-09 Washington 4 93 50 512 0 1 10 103.6
2009-10 Washington 12 394 230 2800 11 21 27 130.1
TOTAL 28 815 435 5374 26 36 55 117.0

can someone tell me how he has such a high QB rating? Look at 07. He has 1 more int then tds and he has less then 50% completion and his rating is a 105? for his career hes barely 50% and only has 10 more tds then ints and his career is a 117 passer rating? Sounds ridiculous to me and IMO he will be a terrible pro!

[Snacks]

why doesnt the stats line up correctly? every time some does it, it looks like shit. I even lined everything up perfectly before posting and it comes out like shit!

[sailor]

yes, there are different qb ratings (http://www.primecomputing.com/) for the nfl and college.

and there's obviously no way that's unsportsmanlike as long as kids are allowed to do the heisman pose.

[Snacks]

yes, there are different qb ratings (http://www.primecomputing.com/) for the nfl and college.

and there's obviously no way that's unsportsmanlike as long as kids are allowed to do the heisman pose.

thats just stupid. a college player says his qb rating is 105 and he sounds like a stud prospect when in fact he garbage! Its either a way to make players sound better then they are when the announcers are discussing it or its a way too pump these players up and not make them feel bad. pussification of America!

[Snoogans]

yes, there are different qb ratings (http://www.primecomputing.com/) for the nfl and college.

and there's obviously no way that's unsportsmanlike as long as kids are allowed to do the heisman pose.

you arent allowed to do the heisman pose anymore. its also a penalty

thats just stupid. a college player says his qb rating is 105 and he sounds like a stud prospect when in fact he garbage! Its either a way to make players sound better then they are when the announcers are discussing it or its a way too pump these players up and not make them feel bad. pussification of America!

The rating in college is not made to make a kid feel better. Its made with no limit, thats the difference. The NFL rating has a limit, 158.3 or whatever. College has no limit, so it shows more accurately vs your competition. Also, there is other factors, so throwing 1 INT wont completely wreck it. Its alot more than just to make a guy feel better

[sailor]

you arent allowed to do the heisman pose anymore. its also a penalty

i stand corrected. i have no problem with that penalty then. i guess they're trying to crack down on that type of stuff.

The rating in college is not made to make a kid feel better. Its made with no limit, thats the difference. The NFL rating has a limit, 158.3 or whatever. College has no limit, so it shows more accurately vs your competition. Also, there is other factors, so throwing 1 INT wont completely wreck it. Its alot more than just to make a guy feel better

the college is significantly higher most (all) of the time. 7-100 for 100 yards with 1 td and 1 int is 95.8 in pros and 167 in college:

Comp.% Yards/Att. TD% Int.% NFL QB Rating
70 10 10 10 95.83333333333334
Comp.% Yards/Att. TD% Int.% NCAA QB Rating
70 10 10 10 167


the pro is based on averages for the position at the time they created the system (or perhaps it was the league leaders for each category, i could be mistaken). i don't know what the college formula is based on. also, the pro max is indeed 158.3, but the college has an upper limit as well of 1261.6:

Comp.% Yards/Att. TD% Int.% NFL QB Rating
100 99 100 0 158.33333333333334
Comp.% Yards/Att. TD% Int.% NCAA QB Rating
100 99 100 0 1261.6

[Snoogans]

i stand corrected. i have no problem with that penalty then. i guess they're trying to crack down on that type of stuff.

they outlawed the heisman pose in like 2000, whenever they also made the rule that you cant take your helmet off on the field anymore. It was mostly cause of Desmond Howard and then a few followers of him

[sailor]

they outlawed the heisman pose in like 2000, whenever they also made the rule that you cant take your helmet off on the field anymore. It was mostly cause of Desmond Howard and then a few followers of him

i must have missed that decade.

[Snacks]

I have seen plenty of heisman poses over the past few years. I guess they miss them or I missed the flag.

Its just a stupid rule who cares if players have a little fun. You dont want them to spike it, fine but they cant salute, pose the heisman or show some horns?

[Snoogans]

I have seen plenty of heisman poses over the past few years. I guess they miss them or I missed the flag.

Its just a stupid rule who cares if players have a little fun. You dont want them to spike it, fine but they cant salute, pose the heisman or show some horns?

i agree, i was just pointin out the rules. And yea you musta just missed the flag. Guys still do it, its just a flag.


on a side note. NO ONE is at the Meinekee Car Care bowl. its pathetic seein all the empty seats on a FG attempt

[Snoogans]

my favorite celebration in NCAA was the statue. A guy would score and would rip off his helmet and hold it up like the statue of liberty. It is the reason they put the no taking off your helmet rule. They used to do it so much there was a game for Sega Genesis called College Football's National Championship. It was exactly like Joe Montana Sports talk Football except with 32 college teams and you could do the statue celebration after TDs in it.

If I remember right, the commentary in the game was done by Keith Jackson

[Snoogans]

ahhh memories

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[razorboy]

So the rule is against "any delayed, excessive, prolonged or choreographed act by which a player attempts to focus attention on himself". I fail to see the delay, excess, choreography or prolonged act in this case. These are officials from the same Big Ten group that had zero problem with Tyler Bray making a overly demonstrative X over his chest with his arms and saluting the crowd four or five times on the same drive in the Music City Bowl. These are also officials from the same Big Ten group who will be calling the championship game.

Oh, and the ref saying "wrong choice buddy" to Hilburn before he threw the flag was a nice touch as well.

[Snacks]

So the rule is against "any delayed, excessive, prolonged or choreographed act by which a player attempts to focus attention on himself". I fail to see the delay, excess, choreography or prolonged act in this case. These are officials from the same Big Ten group that had zero problem with Tyler Bray making a overly demonstrative X over his chest with his arms and saluting the crowd four or five times on the same drive in the Music City Bowl. These are also officials from the same Big Ten group who will be calling the championship game.

Oh, and the ref saying "wrong choice buddy" to Hilburn before he threw the flag was a nice touch as well.

How happy were you when that asshole QB Bray did the throat slashing as he ran off the field then threw an int on his next possession? They showed him after the game almost crying on his knees! You cant be a little punk and act all tough then not back it up. If you fail you have to still play it off. Its was great, little bitch.

[razorboy]

How happy were you when that asshole QB Bray did the throat slashing as he ran off the field then threw an int on his next possession? They showed him after the game almost crying on his knees! You cant be a little punk and act all tough then not back it up. If you fail you have to still play it off. Its was great, little bitch.

Yeah, the kid comes comes across as an insufferable little twit.

[KnoxHarrington]

This is yet another reason I hate the BCS: it's fucked up New Year's Day. You used to have wall-to-wall great bowls all day. Now, you have second tier junk bowls until you hit the Rose and Orange bowls.

And both of those games are going to be garbage, because you don't get the Wisconsin/Oregon matchup you would have had, so Wisconsin's probably gonna lay at least a 20 point asswhipping on incredibly overrated TCU. And then because you gotta stick the Big East champ somewhere in this awful system, the Orange Bowl will probably be Oklahoma giving terrible UConn a beatdown.

So two classic games will be turned into dogshit. Nice job, BCS.

[epo]

Speaking of dogshit, the early games have both Michigan teams sucking some major dick.

[Snacks]

Speaking of dogshit, the early games have both Michigan teams sucking some major dick.

Big 10 is the most overrated conference.

[epo]

Big 10 is the most overrated conference.

Bullshit. Dan Marino was an overrated QB.

[Snoogans]

Bullshit. Dan Marino was an overrated QB.

seriously. he could barely even keep up with this guy. Although this guy was an all time great. Best QB the Jets ever had

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eat your heart out namath. This video also reminds me what a sissy bitch Nick Toon is compared to his dad

[Snacks]

Bullshit. Dan Marino was an overrated QB.

thats an opinion the fact is the big 10 every year gets destroyed in their bowl games. last year was the 1st year that they had a winning record in bowl games.

[epo]

thats an opinion the fact is the big 10 every year gets destroyed in their bowl games. last year was the 1st year that they had a winning record in bowl games.

Dan Marino being overrated is fact.

The other fact is that the Big Ten is underrated.

[weekapaugjz]

Dan Marino being overrated is fact.

The other fact is that the Big Ten is underrated.

agreed on both counts.

but i can't wait to see wisconsin lose today.

[ozzie]

Speaking of dogshit, the early games have both Michigan teams sucking some major dick.

The SEC West was damn tough this year.

AU caught a lot of grief for "barely" winning @ Miss State and "escaping" with a win @ Bama.

These are two pretty damn good teams... as the rest of the country is seeing right now.

(Although I'm not, because I'm still stuck at work)

The SEC East, however... 0 - 3 in their bowl games thus far, and Florida seems to be trying to make that 0 - 4.

[epo]

TCU better be explosive, because the Badger o-line is going to destroy the TCU defense.

[underdog]

The other fact is that the Big Ten is underrated.

Underrated, you say. I haven't checked any scores, but I'm going to guess they've all done really well in bowl games today, and definitely no blow outs.

[underdog]

Td Tcu.

[Snacks]

TD TCU. way to go right down the field after a nice regrouping and stopping Wisc drive!

7-3, maybe the closest Wisc gets the rest of the game!

[epo]

TD TCU. way to go right down the field after a nice regrouping and stopping Wisc drive!

7-3, maybe the closest Wisc gets the rest of the game!

Good call.

TD Wisconsjn

[weekapaugjz]

This game is gonna end 45-43 tcu.

[Snacks]

Good call.

TD Wisconsjn

Dont worry the final will show that this game isnt going to be close.

TCU TD!!!

Wisc can not keep up with TCUs speed!

I would love to see a high scoring blow out by TCU!!!!!

[epo]

Dont worry the final will show that this game isnt going to be close.

TCU TD!!!

Wisc can not keep up with TCUs speed!

I would love to see a high scoring blow out by TCU!!!!!

This game will see a likely over total, however thinking TCU can blow Wisconsin out is crazy talk.

[Snacks]

Wide LEFT!!!

Now TCU needs to come right down the field and score another TD and go up 21 - 10. That would be NICE!!!

[epo]

The Wisconsin marching band is kicking the shit out of TCU's crapass band.

Also, this is shaping up to be a pretty darn good football game.

[weekapaugjz]

The Wisconsin marching band is kicking the shit out of TCU's crapass band.

Also, this is shaping up to be a pretty darn good football game.

All marching band kids are nerds. Stop defending any of them.

As for your second point, I agree.

[ozzie]

Mike Haywood... FIRED! (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5978467)

Head Coach - Pittsburgh Panthers
December 16, 2010 - January 1, 2011

[epo]

Mike Haywood... FIRED! (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5978467)

Head Coach - Pittsburgh Panthers
December 16, 2010 - January 1, 2011

I heard he was fired for admitting that Dan Marino was a sham.

[underdog]

I'm starting to agree that TCU didn't belong in the National Championship game. I mean, if they're having this much trouble dealing with a team from a conference as bad at the Big 10, I can't imagine how much trouble they would have had with a team from a real conference.

[weekapaugjz]

I'm starting to agree that TCU didn't belong in the National Championship game. I mean, if they're having this much trouble dealing with a team from a conference as bad at the Big 10, I can't imagine how much trouble they would have had with a team from a real conference.

What? Like the joke of a conference PAC 10?

[underdog]

What? Like the joke of a conference PAC 10?

I think the SunBelt would go undefeated against the Big 10.

[weekapaugjz]

I think the SunBelt would go undefeated against the Big 10.

Would they?

[razorboy]

Mike Haywood... FIRED! (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5978467)

Head Coach - Pittsburgh Panthers
December 16, 2010 - January 1, 2011

So...

Celebrating getting a new job... good.
Celebrating getting a new job by assaulting the mother of your child... no good.

Got it.

[Snacks]

Mike Haywood... FIRED! (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5978467)

Head Coach - Pittsburgh Panthers
December 16, 2010 - January 1, 2011

We have no idea what happened but hes fired already? Seems very odd in this country that a man is always guilty asap and has to prove his innocence but is never given time do so. they are immediately guilty as soon as charges are filed. Real or false no one seems to care youre guilty!

I'm starting to agree that TCU didn't belong in the National Championship game. I mean, if they're having this much trouble dealing with a team from a conference as bad at the Big 10, I can't imagine how much trouble they would have had with a team from a real conference.

I might have to agree. They are barely beating a Wisc big 10 champ who won the conference by some stupid, shitty big 10 rule that gives the conf to whoever the bcs ranks higher if there is a tie with multiple teams. Because thats a good way to pick a conf champ by votes and computers!

Have a big 10 championship game. What a pussy overrated conf!

[epo]

The TCU QB is a Ginger.

Now the Badgers really have to pull this out

[underdog]

We have no idea what happened but hes fired already? Seems very odd in this country that a man is always guilty asap and has to prove his innocence but is never given time do so. they are immediately guilty as soon as charges are filed. Real or false no one seems to care youre guilty!

I think they're probably able to terminate the contract within a certain number of days without payout, so that may be why they just cut ties now.

Also, his charges actually got bumped up to a felony, so it's not looking so good for the guy.

[underdog]

The TCU QB is a Ginger.

Now the Badgers really have to pull this out

The Wisconsin QB is fucking terrible. I don't think he can possibly overthrow people more.

[Snacks]

The Wisconsin QB is fucking terrible. I don't think he can possibly overthrow people more.

The TCU QB is one of the best in the country. The Wisc QB is a scared little girl in the pocket! Every time he gets hit he gets hit hard and becomes a little more girly!

[weekapaugjz]

Everytime wisconsin has to punt I smile.

[Snacks]

Everytime wisconsin has to punt I smile.

Dont we all?:clap:

[KnoxHarrington]

Fuck Wisconsin. I haven't forgiven that garbage state for electing Joseph McCarthy to the Senate. Let's go Frogs, or whatever the fuck TCU's stupid mascot is.

[KnoxHarrington]

One college rule I definitely wish the NFL would adopt: stopping the clock while resetting the chains after a first down. A team in the two-minute drill in the NFL is almost punished for making a first down, because that's less time to run a play or to get up there to spike the ball if you must.

[KnoxHarrington]

Now stop this 2 point conversion you Texas hayseed fucks

[Snacks]

Now get this on side kick!

[weekapaugjz]

Horns up!

[KnoxHarrington]

Seriously, after running pretty much at will on that last drive, why the fuck did Wisconsin suddenly decide to pass on the 2 point conversion?

[weekapaugjz]

Seriously, after running pretty much at will on that last drive, why the fuck did Wisconsin suddenly decide to pass on the 2 point conversion?


Becausr wisc is filled with retartds.

[Snacks]

Seriously, after running pretty much at will on that last drive, why the fuck did Wisconsin suddenly decide to pass on the 2 point conversion?

Because they play in the big 10 and the big 10 has the dumbest coaches and conf out there!

[weekapaugjz]

Because they play in the big 10 and the big 10 has the dumbest coaches and conf out there!

No. JoePa is a genious. Wisconsin sucks.

FACE to epo!

[KnoxHarrington]

Because they play in the big 10 and the big 10 has the dumbest coaches and conf out there!

Some serious Big Ten fail today. Alabama kicks the living shit out of Michigan State, Mississippi State gives Michigan an asswhipping, Texas Tech beats Northwestern, and now the conference champ loses to some hayseed Bible college in the backwoods of Texas.

What a garbage conference full of losers.

Oh, I forgot that Florida beat Penn State too, but that's fine, Joe Pa's forgotten it too. He was standing there on the sidelines pissing his Depends and wondering when Matlock comes on.

[Snacks]

I love it, Mich, Mich St, Wisc, Penn st all lose what a shit overrated conf. this shitty conf every year gets teams to great bowl games for no reason. they beat up on each other and they all suck. so retards love to think they are so good but they are really terrible.

I love watching the little guys beat a team from the big 10!

[weekapaugjz]

but i can't wait to see wisconsin lose today.

it was even more enjoyable than imagined.

[Dudeman]

As a Rose Bowl fan, I've come to grips with it not being pac10 v. big10. But it sucks when a major university like Wisc, with quality graduate programs, a good medical school, etc, is there with a Texas Christian University. Yes, not all of the pac10 and big10 schools are great universities, but they all at least solid large state universities (with stanford and usc as the privates.) This post will probably get hate, but whatever. That said, it was a pretty good game.

[epo]

Kudos to TCU. They might be a shitty university, but that was a good and well-coached football team.

[Snoogans]

im impressed. and im happy, cause thats a future big east school

[weekapaugjz]

As a Rose Bowl fan, I've come to grips with it not being pac10 v. big10. But it sucks when a major university like Wisc, with quality graduate programs, a good medical school, etc, is there with a Texas Christian University. Yes, not all of the pac10 and big10 schools are great universities, but they all at least solid large state universities (with stanford and usc as the privates.) This post will probably get hate, but whatever. That said, it was a pretty good game.

so BCS money can only go to state schools? good argument.

[underdog]

I think something we can all agree on is that epo sucks and doesn't know shit about college football.

[underdog]

Kudos to TCU. They might be a shitty university, but that was a good and well-coached football team.

At least it's warm. Who the fuck would choose to go to Wisconsin for college?

[razorboy]

Who the fuck would choose to go to Wisconsin for college?

Fat chicks.

[epo]

im impressed. and im happy, cause thats a future big east school

And Rutgers is a likely future Big Ten school.

[sailor]

Wisconsin's probably gonna lay at least a 20 point asswhipping on incredibly overrated TCU.

Exactly.

[Snacks]

I guess the Legends and Leaders of the Big 10 are nothing more then Overrated Shitbags?

fucking joke!

[cougarjake13]

I guess the Legends and Leaders of the Big 10 are nothing more then Overrated Shitbags?

fucking joke!

all more the reason to change the names

[CountryBob]

Hokies vs. Stanford tonight! East Coast - mother fuckers!

[SP1!]

im impressed. and im happy, cause thats a future big east school
Dont you think they will just run through the conference though? Will they finish undefeated next year or will the big east stop them just a bit?

I guess the Legends and Leaders of the Big 10 are nothing more then Overrated Shitbags?

fucking joke!
I think this bowl season pretty much proved that the big 10 has dropped off in the recruiting process, they were manhandled by bigger, faster teams this year and they should be embarrassed. Especially after the comments the big 10 president said about the smaller schools.

[Snacks]

Dont you think they will just run through the conference though? Will they finish undefeated next year or will the big east stop them just a bit?


I think this bowl season pretty much proved that the big 10 has dropped off in the recruiting process, they were manhandled by bigger, faster teams this year and they should be embarrassed. Especially after the comments the big 10 president said about the smaller schools.

I dont think it took this bowl season to prove it. I think it has been proven for close to 10 years that the big 10 has been an overrated joke.

[cougarjake13]

Hokies vs. Stanford tonight! East Coast - mother fuckers!

harbaughs last game

[Dell]

how the hell was that not pass interference?..

what a no call...

[Snoogans]

Dont you think they will just run through the conference though? Will they finish undefeated next year or will the big east stop them just a bit?


I think this bowl season pretty much proved that the big 10 has dropped off in the recruiting process, they were manhandled by bigger, faster teams this year and they should be embarrassed. Especially after the comments the big 10 president said about the smaller schools.

next year they will still be in MWC. its 2012 season they come over. By then, who knows, thats a long time in NCAA. I believe, all fandom aside, that rutgers will be alot better by then since most of the team was Freshman and Sophs and they are somehow still pullin a solid class this year despite eating dick. But who even knows if the big east will have the same teams in 2 years. They are still tryin to add at least 3 more and get to 12 so who knows. It will help a bit in recruiting for the entire conference though, openin up texas a bit to the east will help. I think the big east will slow them down more than the MWC but if they are as talented as this year, they will still win the conference. MWC was pretty fuckin tough this year.

[CountryBob]

Ahhhhh....once again, my VaTech Hokies look like chumps in the big game. My hat goes off to Stanford. They looked great and could beat alot of Pro teams right now. Luck is the real deal.

Va Tech did a great job of regrouping this season after the 0-2 start but I would have liked an Orange Bowl win for Tyrod Taylor - instead, he was sacked so many times and had to be a loser for his last game.

So, now I wait 8 months until VaTech college football is back - and with a new QB coming in, I feel that it will be a rebuliding year.

[underdog]

Is it possible for both these teams to lose? anyone who roots for Bobby Petrino or Ohio State is an asshole.

[Snoogans]

Is it possible for both these teams to lose? anyone who roots for Bobby Petrino or Ohio State is an asshole.

and they are both terrible

[Snoogans]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

fuckin ohio state. PUNT YOU DICKHEAD

[razorboy]

PUNT YOU DICKHEAD

On second thought...

[underdog]

Arkansas's QB looked pretty fucking bad at the end of the game tonight. He's like the anti-Matt Ryan.

[epo]

That's some shameful shit...

[spoon]

Man these bowl games are all over the place. Not only are there too many by a mile, they also start WAY too early and go out way too far into 2011. Some of these teams haven't played a game in around a fucking month at this point.

[cougarjake13]

Man these bowl games are all over the place. Not only are there too many by a mile, they also start WAY too early and go out way too far into 2011. Some of these teams haven't played a game in around a fucking month at this point.

auburn and oregon will be at something like 37 days betw games

[spoon]

auburn and oregon will be at something like 37 days betw games

It really should get wrapped up before the NFL playoffs in my mind. Also, don't the opponents cry about how long a playoff would take as one of their issues with it?

[cougarjake13]

It really should get wrapped up before the NFL playoffs in my mind. Also, don't the opponents cry about how long a playoff would take as one of their issues with it?

yes but heres the thing with that

all of december theyre supposedly studying for and taking finals

and a playoff right at end of semester would alledgely interfere with that

although in the lower divisions this doesnt seem to be an issue

[sailor]

yes but heres the thing with that

all of december theyre supposedly studying for and taking finals

and a playoff right at end of semester would alledgely interfere with that

although in the lower divisions this doesnt seem to be an issue

yeah, most schools aren't in session now.

[cougarjake13]

yeah, most schools aren't in session now.

but when reg season ends and 1st 2 weeks of december they still are

[sailor]

but when reg season ends and 1st 2 weeks of december they still are

i was agreeing with you.

[cougarjake13]

i was agreeing with you.

ahh i read it the other way

[sailor]

ahh i read it the other way

i have that effect on people.

[spoon]

yes but heres the thing with that

all of december theyre supposedly studying for and taking finals

and a playoff right at end of semester would alledgely interfere with that

although in the lower divisions this doesnt seem to be an issue

They don't have to be at the game the whole week and as you stated all lesser divisions deal with it fine. Also, some DO have their bowl games during this span and the playoffs would only include what, 16 teams or so at most? Even in that scenario only 8 teams play more than one week.

[cougarjake13]

They don't have to be at the game the whole week and as you stated all lesser divisions deal with it fine. Also, some DO have their bowl games during this span and the playoffs would only include what, 16 teams or so at most? Even in that scenario only 8 teams play more than one week.

oh i know im just repeating what ive heard about why it wouldnt work which we all know is bullshit


bowl games dont start til like mid december so depending on school they may have had or will be having finals soon

[weekapaugjz]

the neon yellow on the oregon jerseys is horrendous.

[KnoxHarrington]

Can someone gently tell Musberger that it's time to hang it up? He's awful.

[KnoxHarrington]

Oregon 3 and out due to blowing the first down on some stupid gadget play bullshit.

[OGC]

about friggin time that they actually start playing football.

edit: time for a little more hype before cam newton takes the field

[Snacks]

its a little late but the free pick tonight is take Oregon +1 and under the 73!

[KnoxHarrington]

Here's the thing: I don't expect Musberger to trash Newton or to rip him and Auburn for all his transgressions.

But, at the same time, the sloppy blowjob Musberger is giving Newton so far is incredibly inappropriate.

[underdog]

Here's the thing: I don't expect Musberger to trash Newton or to rip him and Auburn for all his transgressions.

But, at the same time, the sloppy blowjob Musberger is giving Newton so far is incredibly inappropriate.

Why? He's fucking unbelievable.

[weekapaugjz]

Why? He's fucking unbelievable.

you were saying?

[KnoxHarrington]

you were saying?

Well, that interception was fucking unbelievable.

[KnoxHarrington]

Holy shit this game has been garbage so far.

Maybe it's not a good idea to have more than a month off between the end of the season and the "national championship," huh college presidents?

[underdog]

you were saying?

Well, that interception was fucking unbelievable.

BUT MUSBERGER HAS NEVER LIED TO ME BEFORE!

[KnoxHarrington]

OK, now this game is starting to get a lot more interesting.

[razorboy]

Cam Newton? More like Can't Throwton.

[Crispy123]

Nice stop! Pompano Beach represent!!!

[underdog]

How was Oregon good? Their QB is fucking terrible.

[Snacks]

How was Oregon good? Their QB is fucking terrible.

he is awful. he throws too damn hard on every play, isnt accurate and doesnt know how to hand off!

[Justice4all]

Man these bowl games are all over the place. Not only are there too many by a mile, they also start WAY too early and go out way too far into 2011. Some of these teams haven't played a game in around a fucking month at this point.

Agreed. Since when did 7-5 mean you earned a bowl game? Penn State, Michigan and Notre Dame all went to bowls when neither of them played well enough to earn a spot.

I know it will never happen but I would love to see a playoff system.
Thunderdome style!
Top 16 teams enter.
One leaves the champion.
And it happens before the NFC/AFC Championships.
Yea I know..it's nice to dream.

In the meantime this is one hell of an exciting game.
is that Clay Matthews brother playing for Oregon?

[underdog]

is that Clay Matthews brother playing for Oregon?

Yes.

[KnoxHarrington]

As great as that ending was, dumbass Musberger almost ruined it with one of the most awkward sponsor placements ever: "This is for all the Tostitos."

Really, Brent? Really?

[weekapaugjz]

the massive amounts of confetti after these games is fucking retarded.

[KnoxHarrington]

What kind of fucking hayseed tradition is it to TP a tree after a victory? Jesus.

And as much as athletes usually talking about how much God wanted them to win annoys me, seeing thieving scumbag Cam Newton preaching really drove me crazy.

Fuck the War Eagle.

[NickyL0885]

Can't wait till Auburn vs TCU for the National Title!..........oh wait.......dumb BCS.

[Snacks]

Agreed. Since when did 7-5 mean you earned a bowl game? Penn State, Michigan and Notre Dame all went to bowls when neither of them played well enough to earn a spot.

I know it will never happen but I would love to see a playoff system.
Thunderdome style!
Top 16 teams enter.
One leaves the champion.
And it happens before the NFC/AFC Championships.
Yea I know..it's nice to dream.

In the meantime this is one hell of an exciting game.
is that Clay Matthews brother playing for Oregon?

since always, you only need 6 wins to be bowl eligible!

[Justice4all]

Yes.

Holy shit. Pretty good talent runs through that family.

I wonder if there ever was a brother/brother team that play for both championships in same sport. (That's if Clay makes it to the SB)

[Justice4all]

since always, you only need 6 wins to be bowl eligible!

I didn't know that. There are so many other better teams then those three I mentioned, it sucks they get in just on name.

And is it me or did Cam Newton look like one big bitch next to his coach?

[Justice4all]

Can't wait till Auburn vs TCU for the National Title!..........oh wait.......dumb BCS.
QFT.
:thumbdown:

[Snacks]

I didn't know that. There are so many other better teams then those three I mentioned, it sucks they get in just on name.

And is it me or did Cam Newton look like one big bitch next to his coach?

Now you know.

Hey I was talking to my cousin tonight and we both miss playing you in those games. When are we going to beat you down in some games?

[spoon]

Can someone gently tell Musberger that it's time to hang it up? He's awful.

Didn't he and mike tirico win NFL broadcasters of the year?

No joke, I saw this somewhere.

[spoon]

its a little late but the free pick tonight is take Oregon +1 and under the 73!

My father went Auburn and I liked that call. But the line was 73!? Holy fuck that's high no matter how the good the O's are. I would take that be in almost any championship game. Hindsight I know, but that's fucking high for a game tied to tons of early nerves and conservative don't lose it ends as these games usually have.

[spoon]

Oregon 3 and out due to blowing the first down on some stupid gadget play bullshit.

This whole game was gadget plays and fucking option bullshit.

[Jayw]

This whole game was gadget plays and fucking option bullshit.

Cam Newton for Prez baby. What a G is if doesn;t get caught for trying to make money,(like everyone esle who NCaa sports should get anwayway. Expect women, repael dont ask dont tell and strip them of theur athletics. aholes

[spoon]

Cam Newton for Prez baby. What a G is if doesn;t get caught for trying to make money,(like everyone esle who NCaa sports should get anwayway. Expect women, repael dont ask dont tell and strip them of theur athletics. aholes

HE'S ALIVE!!!!

[Bama]

Auburn still sucks. Worst season ever.

[sailor]

bsu would have crushed them.

[Snacks]

bsu would have crushed them.

funny thing is, while watching this game I said to my cousin "I bet Boise, Utah and definitely TCU could have beat them"


The problem is we will never know. But I do think if TCU got a chance they would be national champs. I hope the writers decide to give TCU the vote especially now after that game was such a low scoring, mess!

[ozzie]

It's great, to be, an Auburn Tiger.

[CountryBob]

funny thing is, while watching this game I said to my cousin "I bet Boise, Utah and definitely TCU could have beat them"


The problem is we will never know. But I do think if TCU got a chance they would be national champs. I hope the writers decide to give TCU the vote especially now after that game was such a low scoring, mess!

I say probably not - you got to remember that Oregon is a good fucking team! Auburn looked like a great team that just played a great team - it was a battle of the ages!

[cougarjake13]

It's great, to be, an Auburn Tiger.

for a few minutes anyway until they take it all away bc of cam

[ozzie]

for a few minutes anyway until they take it all away bc of cam

Oh great, this again.

Please remind me, exactly what did AUBURN do wrong?

[Snoogans]

Oh great, this again.

Please remind me, exactly what did AUBURN do wrong?

well, it might not matter. Cecil Newton and technically Auburn just might have violated NCAA penalties that were handed down mere weeks ago (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Despite-contrary-reports-Cecil-Newton-was-at-BC?urn=ncaaf-306263)

Cecil Newton didn't see his son Cam quarterback Auburn to an SEC title or win the Heisman Trophy. And he wasn't supposed to see him play in Monday night's BCS Championship Game either. It was all part of a punishment restricting the elder Newton to "limited access" to Auburn's football program after it was discovered that he shopped his son to Mississippi State for $180,000 during his recruiting process.

Yet, after Cam led Auburn to a thrilling 22-19 victory over the second-ranked Oregon Ducks, father and son were captured on camera in a joyous embrace in the stands. The photo, captured by Vasha Hunt of the Opelika-Auburn News, was snapped moments after Newton was seen looking for his father in the crowd at University of Phoenix Stadium.

Earlier in the day, Auburn athletic director Jay Jacobs said Cecil Newton wouldn't be attending the national championship game. It was a "mutually agreed upon" decision, Jacobs said.

Evidently no one told that to Cecil, who managed to stay unseen during the game, sitting away from his family and out of the view of ESPN cameras. He wasn't on Auburn's ticket list and the university later denied giving him admission to the game.

Though we shouldn't begrudge Cecil the right to see his son play in the biggest game of his life, the incident is a slap in the face to Auburn. The school was misled about the father's plans and then had to do damage control hours after the greatest win in school history.


what a fuckin scumbag family. Cam Newton is a New york Jets kinda player it seems

[NickyL0885]

what a fuckin scumbag family. Cam Newton is a New york Jets kinda player it seems

The same NYJ team that is in the playoffs and your Giants are not?

[Snoogans]

The same NYJ team that is in the playoffs and your Giants are not?

so what? How does that have anything to do with the point that the jets willingly take criminals and scumbags in their organization? This coming to you from the fan of the class organization, the one that has actually won some SBs in the last 40 years

[NickyL0885]

so what? How does that have anything to do with the point that the jets willingly take criminals and scumbags in their organization? This coming to you from the fan of the class organization, the one that has actually won some SBs in the last 40 years

Holmes did what he did what the Steelers. Ok, so Braylon fucked up with the DWI so I'll give you that. Who else am I missing? and as far as Rex, I love the guy! He speaks his mind, takes pressure off his players. They players love playing for him. I love hearing a coach say what's on his mind. It's way better then the robotic coaches who give the same responses. If you use the whole Azteca reporter thing, I'm sorry but what does she expect when going to cover a FOOTBALL team? I'm not saying they are in the right for doing what they did but the woman is very attractive and covering a sport where men basically beat each other every week.

[weekapaugjz]

If you use the whole Azteca reporter thing, I'm sorry but what does she expect when going to cover a FOOTBALL team? I'm not saying they are in the right for doing what they did but the woman is very attractive and covering a sport where men basically beat each other every week.

so because it's football, she can be harassed? ok, gotcha.

[Snoogans]

Holmes did what he did what the Steelers. Ok, so Braylon fucked up with the DWI so I'll give you that. Who else am I missing? and as far as Rex, I love the guy! He speaks his mind, takes pressure off his players. They players love playing for him. I love hearing a coach say what's on his mind. It's way better then the robotic coaches who give the same responses. If you use the whole Azteca reporter thing, I'm sorry but what does she expect when going to cover a FOOTBALL team? I'm not saying they are in the right for doing what they did but the woman is very attractive and covering a sport where men basically beat each other every week.

but thats my point. Holmes did what he did, and the jets knew, and they still willingly took him. then he was an asshole on the plane with the ipod thing. Plus HE SMASHES A WOMAN IN THE FACE WITH A GLASS

Favre sexually harrassed about 700K women while he was there, allegedly they complained and were fired. And yea like weeka said, she is working covering a football team, sexually harrass away. Plus you employed a SCUMBAG coach who fuckin TRIPPED SOMEONE. Then you lied and said it was all him and no one knew when there was NO way that is true, then you accused the Pats of doing the same thing with no proof.

And your head coach is a fuckin creep. Again, an organization that willingly aquires and employs criminals, scumbags and degenerates.

Lets no forget your all time hero is a drunken sexually harrassing bum as well. All class, those J E T S

[NickyL0885]

so because it's football, she can be harassed? ok, gotcha.

I never said it was ok. I said what did she expect? She's hot and she had to expect some kind of response. I hate when certain crap happens and people act like it's so shocking.

[NickyL0885]

but thats my point. Holmes did what he did, and the jets knew, and they still willingly took him. then he was an asshole on the plane with the ipod thing. Plus HE SMASHES A WOMAN IN THE FACE WITH A GLASS

Favre sexually harrassed about 700K women while he was there, allegedly they complained and were fired. And yea like weeka said, she is working covering a football team, sexually harrass away. Plus you employed a SCUMBAG coach who fuckin TRIPPED SOMEONE. Then you lied and said it was all him and no one knew when there was NO way that is true, then you accused the Pats of doing the same thing with no proof.

And your head coach is a fuckin creep. Again, an organization that willingly aquires and employs criminals, scumbags and degenerates.

Lets no forget your all time hero is a drunken sexually harrassing bum as well. All class, those J E T S

Oh please! stop with the criminal thing. I bet that if you check every teams players, you are bound to have AT LEAST 1 who has a criminal back ground. Stop acting like the Jets are the only team with past offenders and the Giants are holier than thou.


Creep? B/c of the feet thing? So what? He loves his wife! I commend him for loving her as much as he does! It's not like he was doing those videos with another women behind his wife's back. Sure, they should keep the vids to them selves but what? You don't have an fetish at all? Everyone has something they particularly enjoy, be it sexual or not. A fetish is basically just an obsession.

As far as Namath goes, eh. I'm 25. Too young to see him play so he doesn't affect me. If he's a drunk, so what. Most people in this world are. He seems to have gotten help since the whole Suzy Kolber thing. Speaking of team greats, how's that Lawrence Taylor doing?

[Snoogans]

good defense.

[ozzie]

well, it might not matter. Cecil Newton and technically Auburn just might have violated NCAA penalties that were handed down mere weeks ago (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Despite-contrary-reports-Cecil-Newton-was-at-BC?urn=ncaaf-306263)

what a fuckin scumbag family. Cam Newton is a New york Jets kinda player it seems

Yeah, I can see how his father's presence in the stadium obviously gave Auburn a huge advantage on the field, and was key to their victory.

And of course it's the university's job to know the father's whereabouts, and to post guards at all entrances to ensure that he is denied "access".

It's unfair, and Auburn is not deserving of the national championship.

Wow.

[sailor]

Yeah, I can see how his father's presence in the stadium obviously gave Auburn a huge advantage on the field, and was key to their victory.

And of course it's the university's job to know the father's whereabouts, and to post guards at all entrances to ensure that he is denied "access".

It's unfair, and Auburn is not deserving of the national championship.

Wow.

nice persecution complex. he clearly said the family and not the school.

[ozzie]

nice persecution complex. he clearly said the family and not the school.

Huh?

Originally Posted by ozzie

Oh great, this again.

Please remind me, exactly what did AUBURN do wrong?

Originally Posted by Snoogans

well, it might not matter. Cecil Newton and technically Auburn just might have violated NCAA penalties that were handed down mere weeks ago

Clearly.

[JimBeam]

funny thing is, while watching this game I said to my cousin "I bet Boise, Utah and definitely TCU could have beat them"


The problem is we will never know. But I do think if TCU got a chance they would be national champs. I hope the writers decide to give TCU the vote especially now after that game was such a low scoring, mess!

Still with this ?

Boise St lost to a Nevada team that struggled with Boston College.

TCU beat a Wisconsin team that lost to Mich St that was destroyed by an Alabama team that lost to Auburn.

In the absence of head to head battles Auburn is still better than TCU by a landslide.

Did Auburn end up w/ 7 wins against teams that finished in the BCS Top 25 ?

TCU finished with 2 ?

[CountryBob]

Still with this ?

Boise St lost to a Nevada team that struggled with Boston College.

TCU beat a Wisconsin team that lost to Mich St that was destroyed by an Alabama team that lost to Auburn.

In the absence of head to head battles Auburn is still better than TCU by a landslide.

Did Auburn end up w/ 7 wins against teams that finished in the BCS Top 25 ?

TCU finished with 2 ?

I never put stock into this team lost to that team but beat that other team that...
I think that some great teams match up worse with certain teams than other teams that are pretty bad. And sometimes, they dont rise to the occasion and lose to a shitty team.

[ozzie]

And my frustration is not really against those that read these articles, because I see how they're written, and for some, this is their only source of information on the story.

My gripe is against fucking Thayer Evans (foxsports), Pete Thamel (NY Times) and Pat Forde (ESPN), who, combined, put their careers on the line by "breaking" this "story" with limited facts and "unnamed sources" who have never come forward, and are continuing their campaign to win the hearts and minds of the public through their stories, by dragging up anything they can against this family in hopes that it will prove their original "theory" on what happened.

If you're an xm subscriber, and have the college sports channel, listen to what Jack Arute thinks about these clowns and their "campaign". He's one of the few who has been objective, and not afraid to call out his fellow media members.

[JimBeam]

I never put stock into this team lost to that team but beat that other team that...
I think that some great teams match up worse with certain teams than other teams that are pretty bad. And sometimes, they dont rise to the occasion and lose to a shitty team.

I agree, to a point.

But when one team has played half of its schedule against ranked teams and the other has played far less than that you can't say they are equally as good just because they both ended up with no losses.

[JimBeam]

And my frustration is not really against those that read these articles, because I see how they're written, and for some, this is their only source of information on the story.

My gripe is against fucking Thayer Evans (foxsports), Pete Thamel (NY Times) and Pat Forde (ESPN), who, combined, put their careers on the line by "breaking" this "story" with limited facts and "unnamed sources" who have never come forward, and are continuing their campaign to win the hearts and minds of the public through their stories, by dragging up anything they can against this family in hopes that it will prove their original "theory" on what happened.

If you're an xm subscriber, and have the college sports channel, listen to what Jack Arute thinks about these clowns and their "campaign". He's one of the few who has been objective, and not afraid to call out his fellow media members.

You've gotta admit that if the story of him being at the game, when he wasn't supposed to be, is true that it's way shady.

[ozzie]

You've gotta admit that if the story of him being at the game, when he wasn't supposed to be, is true that it's way shady.

Oh, it's true. The Auburn/Opelika photographer caught a picture of Cam hugging him after the game.

I'm pretty sure the NCAA ruling was that he was to have "limited access" to Auburn Athletics and the football program.

It was Cecil's decision not to attend the Heisman trophy ceremony, or the SECCG, and it was a "mutual decision" between he and the university that he shouldn't attend the nc game.

There was never an NCAA ruling that he couldn't attend games, or that he couldn't have any contact with his son.

People are reading what they want into the "limited access" ruling, and how his being at the game "violates" this ruling.

The story on the rivals link that Snoogans posted just implies that Cecil going against the "mutual decision" between he and Auburn officials was a shitty thing to do behind the back of the school that has stood behind their son, and I agree with that.

That's the tame version.

Thamel and Evans stories weren't nearly as objective. (I refuse to link to theirs as not to promote any more traffic or hits on their sites, and encourage this type of reporting)

I still don't see how AUBURN violated any ruling by his being there.

Auburn did not provide him a ticket for the game.

The NCAA has still not found any wrongdoing involving Cam Newton or Auburn, and no PLOI (preliminary letter of inquiry) has been issued, therefore there is no "ongoing NCAA investigation" as Thamel and Evans imply.

[JimBeam]

I understand that the NCAA didn't, or couldn't rule, that he couldn't go to the game but if he told them, and the coaching staff, that he wouldn't go and did, shadily, than that does say a lot about his character.

I agree that if he did get in that's not on Auburn but I wonder how he did get a ticket.

[ozzie]

It sucks that underclassmen have to declare by Jan 15, when the NFL labor agreement is still up in the air.

I'm actually surprised by how many have already committed to making the jump.

I know the NCAA "rule" is that once you declare yourself eligible for the draft, you are immediately ineligible to return... but I wonder if they'd make exceptions if they aren't signed to a contract.

[JimBeam]

I'd think as long as they didn't sign with an agent that they'd be able to come back to school and be eligible.

[Snoogans]

I'd think as long as they didn't sign with an agent that they'd be able to come back to school and be eligible.

no, thats only basketball and baseball i believe. As soon as you declare for the draft in football, you are out

[Snoogans]

and they wont make an execption. They didnt make one for mike williams after court said he could leave then changed its mind, so they wouldnt make one for someone who chose to leave

[CountryBob]

and they wont make an execption. They didnt make one for mike williams after court said he could leave then changed its mind, so they wouldnt make one for someone who chose to leave

Why not let them declare, see where they are projected to be drafted and if they change their mind - let em return to school by a certain date. Big fucking deal - NCAA come on man!

[Snacks]

Why not let them declare, see where they are projected to be drafted and if they change their mind - let em return to school by a certain date. Big fucking deal - NCAA come on man!

The Cartel!

[underdog]

and they wont make an execption. They didnt make one for mike williams after court said he could leave then changed its mind, so they wouldnt make one for someone who chose to leave

I thought Williams hired an agent.

[Snoogans]

I thought Williams hired an agent.

possibly, but im pretty sure the rule is you enter you are gone

[Snoogans]

Oh, it's true. The Auburn/Opelika photographer caught a picture of Cam hugging him after the game.

I'm pretty sure the NCAA ruling was that he was to have "limited access" to Auburn Athletics and the football program.

It was Cecil's decision not to attend the Heisman trophy ceremony, or the SECCG, and it was a "mutual decision" between he and the university that he shouldn't attend the nc game.

There was never an NCAA ruling that he couldn't attend games, or that he couldn't have any contact with his son.

People are reading what they want into the "limited access" ruling, and how his being at the game "violates" this ruling.

The story on the rivals link that Snoogans posted just implies that Cecil going against the "mutual decision" between he and Auburn officials was a shitty thing to do behind the back of the school that has stood behind their son, and I agree with that.

That's the tame version.

Thamel and Evans stories weren't nearly as objective. (I refuse to link to theirs as not to promote any more traffic or hits on their sites, and encourage this type of reporting)

I still don't see how AUBURN violated any ruling by his being there.

Auburn did not provide him a ticket for the game.

The NCAA has still not found any wrongdoing involving Cam Newton or Auburn, and no PLOI (preliminary letter of inquiry) has been issued, therefore there is no "ongoing NCAA investigation" as Thamel and Evans imply.

technically auburn didnt violate anything. But the NCAA never makes much sense. And it may effect the eligibility of Cam that his dad was there. Auburn would then have played an ineligible player in the game, and thats why they would lose the title

[underdog]

possibly, but im pretty sure the rule is you enter you are gone

Looking it up, it appears you're accurate. They can withdraw, but they only have 3 days to do it after they declare.

[Snoogans]

im always accurate

[Ogre]

possibly, but im pretty sure the rule is you enter you are gone

It all revolves around the actual signing with the agent. If MW had just declared for the draft but had not entered into an agreement then he would have been fine to apply for re-instatement for NCAA eligibility. He got caught between a rock and a hard place when the courts overturned the Clarett ruling. The NFL said no because he was actually 3 months younger than Clarett at the time. So he when he tried to go back to USC, the NCAA said "..no, the rule states if you hire an agent you forfiet any remaining eligibility." He got Fooked.

If I am not mistaken there has been the instance in recent history where a BB player declared, did not hire representation and was drafted lower that he expected. As a result he then decided to return to school, with plans of reentering the following year with expected better draft slot. Damn I will have to do some research on that...

[Ogre]

after more research I found I had it about half right. there is a date/timeline factor, it does not hinge solely on signing with an agent...although that is an auto DQ.

[cougarjake13]

i always understood it as


as long if you didnt sign with an agent you can declare and then retract it and go back to college

[spoon]

I understand that the NCAA didn't, or couldn't rule, that he couldn't go to the game but if he told them, and the coaching staff, that he wouldn't go and did, shadily, than that does say a lot about his character.

I agree that if he did get in that's not on Auburn but I wonder how he did get a ticket.

He probably just used some money he got by helping Cam go to Auburn as his third college in 3 fucking years to buy a ticket at premium cost on ebay or Stubhub.

[spoon]

Looking it up, it appears you're accurate. They can withdraw, but they only have 3 days to do it after they declare.

Then he wouldn't be accurate.

[underdog]

Then he wouldn't be accurate.

He's as accurate as he is gay. Which is to say he's pretty close.

[spoon]

http://9.media.sportspickle.cvcdn.com/62/68/02fdde0006f7c10bd0afa42b8538769f.jpg

[ozzie]

possibly, but im pretty sure the rule is you enter you are gone

Yep, that's the rule for NCAA football eligibility. You declare yourself eligible for the draft, your college career is over.

But... there's never been a lockout before. Mid season strikes, yes. But never a cancelled season.

I was just wondering if they'd consider making an exception if by the end of March, there was still no labor agreement in place, and they knew this before the draft was held... and it was looking like the NCAA would be the only football being played in the fall... if they would consider allowing underclassmen to return to their respective schools.

From what I understand, they won't be signing any new contracts until the labor agreement is in place.

[Ogre]

Yep, that's the rule for NCAA football eligibility. You declare yourself eligible for the draft, your college career is over.

But... there's never been a lockout before. Mid season strikes, yes. But never a cancelled season.

I was just wondering if they'd consider making an exception if by the end of March, there was still no labor agreement in place, and they knew this before the draft was held... and it was looking like the NCAA would be the only football being played in the fall... if they would consider allowing underclassmen to return to their respective schools.

From what I understand, they won't be signing any new contracts until the labor agreement is in place.

Like with the Mike Williams case, the courts ruled that players his age (Clarett) were eligible. he saw this as a green light, declared and then the legal ruling was overturned by a higher court in favor of the NFL. This made Williams unable to enter the NFL draft and unable to return to USC.

It would be something along those lines but would involve a heck of alot more underclassmen.

[Snacks]

Yep, that's the rule for NCAA football eligibility. You declare yourself eligible for the draft, your college career is over.

But... there's never been a lockout before. Mid season strikes, yes. But never a cancelled season.

I was just wondering if they'd consider making an exception if by the end of March, there was still no labor agreement in place, and they knew this before the draft was held... and it was looking like the NCAA would be the only football being played in the fall... if they would consider allowing underclassmen to return to their respective schools.

From what I understand, they won't be signing any new contracts until the labor agreement is in place.

even if the labor agreement isnt reach by March they are supposed to continue to do everything as planned and continue talks up til the season is supposed to start. If by the day before game 1 there isnt a new agreement then thats when there would be a lock out. So everything is supposed to go as planned, the draft, workout, training camp and even preseason games! Thats what I heard on ESPN a few months back.

[ozzie]

technically auburn didnt violate anything. But the NCAA never makes much sense. And it may effect the eligibility of Cam that his dad was there. Auburn would then have played an ineligible player in the game, and thats why they would lose the title

I think that there has to be evidence that the school was aware that the player was committing a violation, or was ineligible, and played them anyway.

The reason USC had to vacate wins in 2004 was because it was proven that there was an assistant coach who was aware of Bush's transgressions.

Same with OU in... 2005? The car dealership stufff? Anyway, coaches or school officials were aware, any wins those players played in were taken away.

Cam Newton was investigated, declared ineligible for a day, then re-instated, and the case was closed.

He never played in a game while he was "ineligible".

I know I'm a lot closer to this story than most, but trust me, Auburn has done due diligence on this case, and fully investigated the situation themselves with NCAA participation, beginning in July.

He would not have taken the first snap against Arkansas State on September 4th if there was any question about his eligibility.

Trust me... NO ONE at Auburn knew Cam Newton was going to have the season he had, or be a Heisman candidate... OR that the team had a realistic chance at a conference or National title.

They would NOT have risked playing him. Period.

He was NOT "head and shoulders" above the other 3 quarterbacks after spring practice, or in the first few weeks of the fall. They would have easily started Trotter in the opener. In fact, there were many AU fans that attended the spring game with me, that assumed after that performance that Trotter would be our guy this fall. Cam didn't look ready to make the throws Gus needed, and struggled with his reads.

I know this didn't hit the press until later in the year (gee, I wonder why it did then), but the facts of the case were known before the season started.

I know most of you are looking back now at a kid that won the heisman and the MNC, and he's an easy target now, but when this first came up, he was just another transfering QB with potential.

There was also a lot of suspicion about how/why Masoli ended up at Ole Miss too.

Oh yeah, that lasted about 3 weeks until they lost their opener to Jacksonville State. After that, no reporters followed up on that story because he looked like a bust. And if Cam wasn't the starter, or they had lost to Clemson early in the season, we wouldn't be talking about this.

The interest in Cam has grown exponentially every week since Alabama lost to South Carolina, and now that they have the MNC, it's gotten out of control.

I get it. There are a lot of upset fans that have painted this kid, and this school as "cheaters" because they heard or read someone's speculation on what they "think" happened.

But the fact is, there is no evidence that any money ever changed hands, and nothing condemning Cam or Auburn.

[ozzie]

even if the labor agreement isnt reach by March they are supposed to continue to do everything as planned and continue talks up til the season is supposed to start. If by the day before game 1 there isnt a new agreement then thats when there would be a lock out. So everything is supposed to go as planned, the draft, workout, training camp and even preseason games! Thats what I heard on ESPN a few months back.

Sure, continue to do everything except signing new contracts and getting paid.

I know agents will take care of most of their clients until this is settled, but it seems like there are extenuating circumstances that the NCAA should consider before enforcing their antiquated rule this year.

[ozzie]

Here is the story posted on December 20, 2009 about Cam Newton's official visit to Auburn. (http://auburn.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1030939)

Note that his Dad did not make the trip, and how he was excited about telling his folks about the school, and as we found out, about why he was choosing to play for Gus Malzahn and the Auburn Tigers.

"My whole focus on coming to Auburn wasn't the glitz and glamour," he said. "It wasn't the parties. I wanted to talk football. I wanted to see the people they were talking about. Me seeing them practicing, I was like, 'man, this is real.' You got Coach Luper, Coach Troop, high-energy guys that you want around you that's going to keep your morale up as a player to perform at your best.

"You have Coach Malzahn, who honestly in my opinion, is one of the top up-and-up coordinators in the country. It's getting real big at Auburn."

Newton said he spent a lot of time with Malzahn, who doubles as Auburn's quarterback coach. Newton was very impressed with what he saw and heard from the Tigers' second-year man. The numbers Malzahn has put up, Newton said, don't lie.

"The offense is real different, but it's different in explosiveness," said Newton. "Coach Malzahn was telling me the statistics he's had, the accolades he's been given. There's not a question of if this offense works, if this program works. He's got statistics to back it up.

"Tulsa…boom. He has that. He goes and makes an average quarterback good. He told me he could make a good quarterback great. That's what I want to hear."

Newton wants to attend a school he could make an immediate impact. With the Tigers losing quarterback Chris Todd to graduation, Newton said Auburn offers him that opportunity.

"No doubt I could make an impact (at Auburn)," he said. "I want to go somewhere that I'm competing to be the man. I'm going to train myself mentally, physically, in every which way, to be the man. When it comes game time, it's not a secret that success is brought upon by hard work in the offseason."

And, as we know now, he WAS a perfect fit for this offense, and they did win the MNC.

I don't really "get" why people are so suspicious about why a kid with his skills and talent would want to play for Gus Malzahn.

Hell, Auburn now has Kiehl Frazier, a HS QB who was named the USA Today National Offensive Player of the Year, committed and coming in next year.

I guess AU must have paid him too?

[Justice4all]

Now you know.

Hey I was talking to my cousin tonight and we both miss playing you in those games. When are we going to beat you down in some games?


Playing me in WHAT games? ( I shudder to ask)

[ozzie]

What kind of fucking hayseed tradition is it to TP a tree after a victory?

http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j442/DanielAU2010/WinterWonderland.jpg

Most "traditional" schools have "traditions".

Some schools ring bells, some roll opposing fan's vehicles and set them on fire... Auburn fans roll Toomer's Corner.

[CountryBob]

West VA Mountaineers burn their couches - crazy as hell!

[Snacks]

http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j442/DanielAU2010/WinterWonderland.jpg

Most "traditional" schools have "traditions".

Some schools ring bells, some roll opposing fan's vehicles and set them on fire... Auburn fans roll Toomer's Corner.

since you are an Auburn fan maybe you can explain this. Why do they do that and how did it start?

And what the fuck is a War Eagle and what does it have to do with Auburn? Arent they the Auburn Tigers? How does an Eagle fit into that and why is it called War Eagle?

[CountryBob]

I know you didnt ask but -

Va Tech's mascot is the Hokies - most think that it is a castrated turkey but the nickname came from the Hokie Stone that is found around the area of campus. The fighting gobblers came latter due to the big population of wild turkeys around the New River valley.
Hokiebird rocks!

[ozzie]

since you are an Auburn fan maybe you can explain this. Why do they do that and how did it start?

And what the fuck is a War Eagle and what does it have to do with Auburn? Arent they the Auburn Tigers? How does an Eagle fit into that and why is it called War Eagle?

Toomer's Corner was, and still is, the main "entrance" to the campus. It used to be that after the news got back to the students that the team won a road game, they'd go "Roll Toomer's Corner" to welcome the team back home after a win. It started a long time ago.

Now they roll after every win, and after every Heisman trophy is awarded, etc.

"WAR EAGLE" is just a "battle cry". None of the sports teams call themselves the "War Eagles", and AU fans get upset when they're called that by dumbass announcers.

They're still the Auburn Tigers.

Legend has it that an Auburn (Alabama Polytechnic Institute, at the time) student was drafted into the confederate army. After being injured in a horrific battle, the student awoke the next morning to find that the only other living creature alive in the field was a young eagle who was wounded in the fight.

He nursed the eagle back to health, and the eagle survived, but wouldn't flap his wings, much less fly. The two became inseparable.

After the war ended, the student returned to Auburn, completed his degree, and went on to become a faculty member at the university. He would bring the eagle with him whever he went, and everyone on campus knew him as the "War Eagle".

In 1892, the Auburn football team was playing Georgia in their first ever meeting between the two schools. He had brought the eagle with him to the game. The Auburn team was trailing, and things were looking dim, when the aged eagle suddenly broke loose from him, flapped his wings and flew into the air, and began circling the stadium, exciting the crowd, and the young football team. The crowd was screaming, "WAAaaaaaaaaaar Eagle!".

The team rallied behind the cheers, and was victorious.

But, the cheers and celebration stopped as the old eagle, after having given his all for Auburn... fell and died on the field.

Auburn fans have been screaming "WAAAaaaaaaaaar Eagle!" at games ever since, and it's how one Auburn student or fan will greet another.

War Eagle, ronfezdotnet.

[Snacks]

got to love college and how traditions are formed!!!

[spoon]

got to love college and how traditions are formed!!!

Yah who wrote that, Dean Koontz bc it's complete bullshit.

[Snacks]

Yah who wrote that, Dean Koontz bc it's complete bullshit.

sarcasm you asshole! :dry:

[cougarjake13]

Toomer's Corner was, and still is, the main "entrance" to the campus. It used to be that after the news got back to the students that the team won a road game, they'd go "Roll Toomer's Corner" to welcome the team back home after a win. It started a long time ago.

Now they roll after every win, and after every Heisman trophy is awarded, etc.

"WAR EAGLE" is just a "battle cry". None of the sports teams call themselves the "War Eagles", and AU fans get upset when they're called that by dumbass announcers.

They're still the Auburn Tigers.

Legend has it that an Auburn (Alabama Polytechnic Institute, at the time) student was drafted into the confederate army. After being injured in a horrific battle, the student awoke the next morning to find that the only other living creature alive in the field was a young eagle who was wounded in the fight.

He nursed the eagle back to health, and the eagle survived, but wouldn't flap his wings, much less fly. The two became inseparable.

After the war ended, the student returned to Auburn, completed his degree, and went on to become a faculty member at the university. He would bring the eagle with him whever he went, and everyone on campus knew him as the "War Eagle".

In 1892, the Auburn football team was playing Georgia in their first ever meeting between the two schools. He had brought the eagle with him to the game. The Auburn team was trailing, and things were looking dim, when the aged eagle suddenly broke loose from him, flapped his wings and flew into the air, and began circling the stadium, exciting the crowd, and the young football team. The crowd was screaming, "WAAaaaaaaaaaar Eagle!".

The team rallied behind the cheers, and was victorious.

But, the cheers and celebration stopped as the old eagle, after having given his all for Auburn... fell and died on the field.

Auburn fans have been screaming "WAAAaaaaaaaaar Eagle!" at games ever since, and it's how one Auburn student or fan will greet another.

War Eagle, ronfezdotnet.



what about roll tide for alabama

[ozzie]

what about roll tide for alabama

From what I understand, they didn't have a "nickname" at the time, but they were wearing crimson jerseys. After a game in the 20's or 30's, a sportswriter described the team as having "rolled into the stadium like a crimson tide".

They adopted the name after that, and the cheer "Roll Tide, Roll"

Another sportswriter described the overwhelming size of their team as a "bunch of red elephants"... hence the elephant mascot on the sideline.

[cougarjake13]

From what I understand, they didn't have a "nickname" at the time, but they were wearing crimson jerseys. After a game in the 20's or 30's, a sportswriter described the team as having "rolled into the stadium like a crimson tide".

They adopted the name after that, and the cheer "Roll Tide, Roll"

Another sportswriter described the overwhelming size of their team as a "bunch of red elephants"... hence the elephant mascot on the sideline.

ahh good to know


i love that commercial they have with the roll tide

[JimBeam]

I've said all along that I don't think any money changed hands.

To what Ozzie said there's no way that they could've known how good he'd be this year and that he could lead them to a title.

A guy that started for 1 year in JC ? How many guys have done that and been flops ?

So why risk putting the programs future on the line for a player that may not be as good as you'd hope and who you know has some prior baggage.

Also you're getting him for at most 2 years.

Does that mean there's no way he got money ? Of course not.

It just doesn't seem plausable though.

[CountryBob]

I'm already depressed - little over 7 months until College Football is back. I dont know how I am going to make it..:glurps:

[JimBeam]

I dread this time of year.

I do not like basketball, college or pros ( although I can watch tournament stuff ) and don't care for hockey.

Football at this point is even tedious outside of the games themselves.

On sports radio/tv All you hear all week are the opinions of so many random guys on what's gonna happen in the upcoming game.

The 2 weeks between the Super Bowl are agonizing even if you have a dog in the fight ( as I did last year ) because then you get the brilliant feedback from 500 random people many of whom shouldn't be heard.

[ozzie]

Following recruiting gets me through from the bowl season until the first week in February.

That, NFL playoffs, and the Senior Bowl down here the week before the Super Bowl, make this time of year go by easy.

AU starts spring practice in late Feb / early March, then there's the trip to the A-Day game in April.

After that there's the NFL draft, NBA and NHL playoffs.

June / July allows time to once again look over the schedule, start shopping for tickets and hotel availability, and putting in for vacation requests for the Friday's I'll need off to travel to games.

Practice starts in August, and then the season usually begins before I'm convinced that the holes have been filled, and this year's team is ready.

Pat Dye was the worst at bad mouthing his teams to the media, and scaring the crap out of us. Every year we'd be convinced that our kids couldn't block, tackle or even walk and chew gum the way he'd describe it.

Chizik isn't quite as bad, but going into the opener last year it still seemed like there were a lot of "improvements" that had to be made. I caught myself looking over Arkansas State's returning players and wondering if AU was ready for them.

This year AU opens with the mighty Utah State Aggies, and they ONLY have 7 months to prepare!

The rest of the openers this year:

LSU vs. Oregon (Arlington, TX) 7:00 p.m. (ABC or ESPN) (HD)
South Florida at Notre Dame TBA NBC (HD)
Akron at Ohio State
Albany at Cincinnati
Appalachian State at Virginia Tech
Arkansas State at Illinois
Army at Northern Illinois
Boise State vs. Georgia (should end the Boise talk early this year)
Buffalo at Pittsburgh
BYU at Ole Miss
Cal Poly at San Diego State
Cal-Davis at Arizona State
Colorado at Hawaii
Delaware at Navy
Eastern Kentucky at Kansas State
Eastern Washington at Washington
Elon at Vanderbilt
Florida Atlantic at Florida (The Muschamp era begins)
Fresno State at California
Idaho State at Washington State
Indiana at Ball State
Indiana State at Penn State
Kent State at Alabama
Marshall at West Virginia
McNeese State at Kansas
Memphis at Mississippi State
Miami (Ohio) at Missouri
Middle Tennessee at Purdue
Minnesota at USC
Montana at Tennessee
Northern Arizona at Arizona
Northern Iowa at Iowa State
Northwestern at Boston College
Rice at Texas
Sacramento State at Oregon State
San Jose State at Stanford
SMU at Texas A&M
South Carolina vs. East Carolina
TCU at Baylor
Tennessee Tech at Iowa
UCLA at Houston
UNLV at Wisconsin
UT Chattanooga at Nebraska
Utah State at Auburn
Western Kentucky at Kentucky
Western Michigan at Michigan
Youngstown State at Michigan State

[JimBeam]

Cowherd mentioned that USC's doing really well in recruiting this year.

[Snacks]

I've said all along that I don't think any money changed hands.

To what Ozzie said there's no way that they could've known how good he'd be this year and that he could lead them to a title.

A guy that started for 1 year in JC ? How many guys have done that and been flops ?

So why risk putting the programs future on the line for a player that may not be as good as you'd hope and who you know has some prior baggage.

Also you're getting him for at most 2 years.

Does that mean there's no way he got money ? Of course not.

It just doesn't seem plausable though.

He was a top recruit at Florida thats why! He wasnt some kid who just had 1 good year at JuCo. He was a top hs recruit who fucked up, left Florida and then went nuts at JuCo proving what everyone thought when he was in hs which made him wanted even more.

[ozzie]

Looks like USC already has their fill for the year with 25 commits. 2 of them 5*, and 9 ranked as 4* players.

The Rivals current team rankings (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/teamrank/2011/all/all)

Auburn just got a commit from the #3 ranked OT (Westerman), and still has at least 6 more openings.

This could end up being an epic OL class for them. There's still a chance at adding La'El Collins and/or Kouandjio out of Maryland.

[ozzie]

He was a top recruit at Florida thats why! He wasnt some kid who just had 1 good year at JuCo. He was a top hs recruit who fucked up, left Florida and then went nuts at JuCo proving what everyone thought when he was in hs which made him wanted even more.

Funny, because coming out of Blinn CC, he only had offers from Auburn, Arizona, Kansas State, Mississippi State, North Carolina and Oklahoma.

[Snoogans]

Funny, because coming out of Blinn CC, he only had offers from Auburn, Arizona, Kansas State, Mississippi State, North Carolina and Oklahoma.

cause no one else had the extra 200K

[Snacks]

Funny, because coming out of Blinn CC, he only had offers from Auburn, Arizona, Kansas State, Mississippi State, North Carolina and Oklahoma.

Well he wasnt going to have 50 offers like when he was in HS. That proves my point. He still had big colleges recruiting him after being away and going to JuCo partially because of his arrest. There is no doubt they looked for money. Did he get it I dont know and dont care. I actually hope he did because every college is dirty. They all at 1 time or another pay for players or do something they shouldnt do based on the stupid rules of the NCAA.

I think we all (except ozzie and maybe Jim) know that Auburn will probably have this titled taken from them within the next 3 years if/when this investigation continues?!

[ozzie]

So it's up to 3 years now?

Good news for AU fans, I guess.

According to most of the haters, it was going to be gone by the end of this month.

[Snoogans]

So it's up to 3 years now?

Good news for AU fans, I guess.

According to most of the haters, it was going to be gone by the end of this month.

they were probably gonna take it but found out Oregon paid some kids. Then TCU, and so they just said fuck it. They all did it, let em keep it. Kinda like baseball

[JimBeam]

Yeah in three years, because that Reggie Bush investigation went so quickly.

[ozzie]

cause no one else had the extra 200K

Seems like there are a few other schools who spent a lot more than that trying to win this year:

School - Coach - Total
Alabama - Nick Saban - $5,997,349
Texas - Mack Brown - $5,161,500
Oklahoma - Bob Stoops - $4,375,000
Florida - Urban Meyer - $4,010,000
LSU - Les Miles - $3,905,000
Ohio State - Jim Tressel - $3,888,389
Iowa - Kirk Ferentz - $3,781,000
Wake Forest - Jim Grobe - $2,939,475
Georgia - Mark Richt - $2,937,740
Arkansas - Bobby Petrino - $2,713,000
Missouri - Gary Pinkel - $2,550,000
Michigan - Rich Rodriguez - $2,525,280
Mississippi - Houston Nutt - $2,509,000
Oregon - Chip Kelly - $2,400,000
California - Jeff Tedford - $2,305,000
Georgia Tech - Paul Johnson - $2,300,000
Southern Methodist - June Jones - $2,142,056
Virginia Tech - Frank Beamer - $2,128,000
Tennessee - Derek Dooley - $2,121,391
Auburn - Gene Chizik - $2,103,500
Kansas - Turner Gill - $2,101,200
Nebraska - Bo Pelini - $2,100,000
Maryland - Ralph Friedgen - $2,043,306
South Carolina - Steve Spurrier - $2,032,500
Rutgers - Greg Schiano - $2,000,932

[JimBeam]

How the hell is Les Miles making $3.9 million ( more now probably after signing that extension ) ?

They should pay that idiot hourly.

[Snacks]

How is Spurrier making less then Turner Gil, and everyone else? How the fuck is Saban making more then he was making the pros? At the amount he would be the highest paid NFL coach or close! These salaries for coaching college are ridiculous and it makes it even more ridiculous that these players make nothing!

[ozzie]

To be fair, the numbers I posted included "Non-university compensation" as well, but also did not include what they can pick up in "bonuses".

Here's everyone that earns over $1 Mil per year:

School - Coach - University compensation - Non-university compensation - Total
Alabama - Nick Saban - $5,166,666 - $830,683 - $5,997,349
Texas - Mack Brown - $5,100,000 - $61,500 - $5,161,500
Oklahoma - Bob Stoops - $4,275,000 - $100,000 - $4,375,000
Florida - Urban Meyer - $4,010,000 - $0 - $4,010,000
LSU - Les Miles - $3,751,000 - $154,000 - $3,905,000
Ohio State - Jim Tressel - $3,512,000 - $376,389 - $3,888,389
Iowa - Kirk Ferentz - $3,775,000 - $6,000 - $3,781,000
Wake Forest (3) - Jim Grobe - $2,939,475 - NA - $2,939,475
Georgia - Mark Richt - $2,811,340 - $126,400 - $2,937,740
Arkansas - Bobby Petrino - $2,700,000 - $13,000 - $2,713,000
Missouri - Gary Pinkel - $2,550,000 - $0 - $2,550,000
Michigan - Rich Rodriguez - $2,515,180 - $10,100 - $2,525,280
Mississippi - Houston Nutt - $2,500,000 - $9,000 - $2,509,000
Oregon (2) - Chip Kelly - $2,400,000 - NA - $2,400,000
California - Jeff Tedford - $2,300,000 - $5,000 - $2,305,000
Georgia Tech - Paul Johnson - $2,300,000 - $0 - $2,300,000
Southern Methodist (3) - June Jones - $2,142,056 - NA - $2,142,056
Virginia Tech - Frank Beamer - $2,043,000 - $85,000 - $2,128,000
Tennessee - Derek Dooley - $2,118,391 - $3,000 - $2,121,391
Auburn - Gene Chizik - $2,100,000 - $3,500 - $2,103,500
Kansas - Turner Gill - $2,100,000 - $1,200 - $2,101,200
Nebraska (2) - Bo Pelini - $2,100,000 - NA - $2,100,000
Maryland - Ralph Friedgen - $2,036,306 - $7,000 - $2,043,306
South Carolina - Steve Spurrier - $2,000,000 - $32,500 - $2,032,500
Rutgers - Greg Schiano - $1,895,000 - $105,932 - $2,000,932
Oklahoma State (2) - Mike Gundy - $1,925,000 - NA - $1,925,000
Kansas State - Bill Snyder - $1,875,000 - $0 - $1,875,000
Washington - Steve Sarkisian - $1,850,004 - $0 - $1,850,004
Florida State - Jimbo Fisher - $1,800,000 - $4,000 - $1,804,000
Texas A&M - Mike Sherman - $1,800,000 - $1,000 - $1,801,000
Michigan State - Mark Dantonio - $1,796,700 - $0 - $1,796,700
Wisconsin - Bret Bielema - $1,700,000 - $81,759 - $1,781,759
Virginia - Mike London - $1,780,000 - NA - $1,780,000
Clemson - Dabo Swinney - $1,750,000 - $18,500 - $1,768,500
North Carolina (2) - Butch Davis - $1,752,000 - NA - $1,752,000
Kentucky - Joker Phillips - $1,700,000 - $6,600 - $1,706,600
South Florida - Skip Holtz - $1,700,000 - NA - $1,700,000
Texas Christian (3) - Gary Patterson - $1,642,089 - NA - $1,642,089
Louisville - Charlie Strong - $1,600,000 - $0 - $1,600,000
Duke (3) - David Cutcliffe - $1,581,903 - NA - $1,581,903
Connecticut (2) - Randy Edsall - $1,550,000 - NA - $1,550,000
North Carolina State - Tom O'Brien - $632,950 - $887,500 - $1,520,450
Texas Tech - Tommy Tuberville - $1,500,000 - $9,000 - $1,509,000
Illinois - Ron Zook - $1,505,000 - $3,500 - $1,508,500
Arizona State - Dennis Erickson - $1,500,000 - $3,000 - $1,503,000
Boise State - Chris Petersen - $1,489,053 - $5,000 - $1,494,053
Colorado (4) - Dan Hawkins - $1,383,903 - $8,000 - $1,391,903
Arizona - Mike Stoops - $1,100,000 - $285,838 - $1,385,838
Central Florida - George O'Leary - $1,325,754 - $0 - $1,325,754
UCLA - Rick Neuheisel - $1,250,000 - $26,000 - $1,276,000
Mississippi State - Dan Mullen - $1,200,000 - $8,295 - $1,208,295
Utah (2) - Kyle Whittingham - $1,175,000 - NA - $1,175,000
Hawaii - Greg McMackin - $1,100,004 - $13,000 - $1,113,004
Oregon State (2) - Mike Riley - $1,110,000 - NA - $1,110,000
Penn State (1, 2, 3) - Joe Paterno - $1,109,977 - NA - $1,109,977
Cincinnati - Butch Jones - $1,100,000 - $1,500 - $1,101,500
Iowa State - Paul Rhoads - $1,050,000 - $1,145 - $1,051,145
Pittsburgh (1, 2, 3, 4) - Dave Wannstedt - $1,010,873 - NA - $1,010,873
Houston - Kevin Sumlin - $1,000,000 - $0 - $1,000,000

[Snoogans]

Seems like there are a few other schools who spent a lot more than that trying to win this year:

School - Coach - Total
Alabama - Nick Saban - $5,997,349
Texas - Mack Brown - $5,161,500
Oklahoma - Bob Stoops - $4,375,000
Florida - Urban Meyer - $4,010,000
LSU - Les Miles - $3,905,000
Ohio State - Jim Tressel - $3,888,389
Iowa - Kirk Ferentz - $3,781,000
Wake Forest - Jim Grobe - $2,939,475
Georgia - Mark Richt - $2,937,740
Arkansas - Bobby Petrino - $2,713,000
Missouri - Gary Pinkel - $2,550,000
Michigan - Rich Rodriguez - $2,525,280
Mississippi - Houston Nutt - $2,509,000
Oregon - Chip Kelly - $2,400,000
California - Jeff Tedford - $2,305,000
Georgia Tech - Paul Johnson - $2,300,000
Southern Methodist - June Jones - $2,142,056
Virginia Tech - Frank Beamer - $2,128,000
Tennessee - Derek Dooley - $2,121,391
Auburn - Gene Chizik - $2,103,500
Kansas - Turner Gill - $2,101,200
Nebraska - Bo Pelini - $2,100,000
Maryland - Ralph Friedgen - $2,043,306
South Carolina - Steve Spurrier - $2,032,500
Rutgers - Greg Schiano - $2,000,932

exactly. Then add in what each school has to pay to players. Most of them probably didnt have the extra 200K left over

[JimBeam]

Why would they even bother having a hearing about reducing the bail when he's not getting out anyway ?

And why would you lower the bail on a guy accused of shooting 3 people ?

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6048277

[JimBeam]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6046507

Cecil Newton's lawyer, George Lawson, told USA Today on Jan. 13 that the father watched the game elsewhere, then went to the stadium to find his son. Lawson did not know where Cecil Newton viewed the game, according to USA Today.

"I would imagine, just like at our place, when the game is over the door is open and there you go," Jacobs said Thursday, according to the News. "I don't have any idea."

Yeah I'm sure you can enter a bowl game from the outside and make it down to the field within minutes of the game being over.

No pesky security to get in your way.

Now I want them to look further into this because I'm tired of this asshole father.

I'd rather have Lawrence Taylor babysit a teen daughter than to have this POS Cecil anywhere near me.

[cougarjake13]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6046507



Yeah I'm sure you can enter a bowl game from the outside and make it down to the field within minutes of the game being over.

No pesky security to get in your way.

Now I want them to look further into this because I'm tired of this asshole father.

I'd rather have Lawrence Taylor babysit a teen daughter than to have this POS Cecil anywhere near me.


really ???


at worst cecil is accused of pimping his son out not for sex but for football and to make cash on the backside



LT had sex with an under age girl that he prob knew was too young, maybe even asked for that and got caught


as big as a giants fan i am i wouldnt let LT walk my dog

[JimBeam]

I was being a little sarcastic but I still think this " reverend " is quite the loser.

[Snacks]

How happy is Snoogans?

http://eye-on-recruiting.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26895818/27290310

Nice signing by Rutgers. They kept their own in state and hes a top 5 national recruit and #1 at his position!

[El Mudo]

The trees on Toomer's Corner at Auburn have been fatally poisoned (http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/2/16/1997905/toomers-corner-trees-poisoned-herbicide-auburn-alabama)

Someone called into Paul Finebaum's show to brag about doing it.

[ozzie]

The trees on Toomer's Corner at Auburn have been fatally poisoned (http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/2/16/1997905/toomers-corner-trees-poisoned-herbicide-auburn-alabama)

Someone called into Paul Finebaum's show to brag about doing it.

Audio Clip of the guy's call to the PF show on 1/27 (http://podcasting.fia.net/6960/4653697.mp3)

Another fucking embarrassment for this state, but it gives the rest of the country a little glimpse inside of this "rivalry", and what we're dealing with down here.

The trees were over 130 years old. Landmarks on the University campus.

[El Mudo]

Audio Clip of the guy's call to the PF show on 1/27 (http://podcasting.fia.net/6960/4653697.mp3)

Another fucking embarrassment for this state, but it gives the rest of the country a little glimpse inside of this "rivalry", and what we're dealing with down here.

The trees were over 130 years old. Landmarks on the University campus.

Spencer Hall's take on it was awesome (http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2011/2/16/1997877/auburn-trees-poisoned-the-lorax-speaks).

[El Mudo]

The Feds are now involved (http://atlanta.sbnation.com/georgia-bulldogs/2011/2/17/1998581/toomers-corner-poisoning-groundwater-federal-investigation-auburn)

There's a real possibility of that stuff contaminating the groundwater.

[El Mudo]

And here's the guy who did it. 62 year old Harvey Updyke. (http://atlanta.sbnation.com/georgia-bulldogs/2011/2/17/1999031/harvey-updyke-arrested-toomers-corner-poisoning)

[Snacks]

And here's the guy who did it. 62 year old Harvey Updyke. (http://atlanta.sbnation.com/georgia-bulldogs/2011/2/17/1999031/harvey-updyke-arrested-toomers-corner-poisoning)

Got to love the south!

So stupid, if you want to do a prank 1st thing is be under 50. 2nd do something that doesn't hurt someone or something.

and hes a retired cop! Another one of the good guys that taxpayers pay! Hes retired living the life! Asshole!

http://www.facebook.com/people/Harvey-Updyke/1239559868

[Snoogans]

How happy is Snoogans?

http://eye-on-recruiting.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26895818/27290310

Nice signing by Rutgers. They kept their own in state and hes a top 5 national recruit and #1 at his position!

they have had a really solid class, and im shocked with how awful they played. I think gettin those guys from the Pitt staff and getting away from the wildcat helped them keep alot of the verbals they had early in the year too. And they were already REALLY young last year. This coming season should be a solid one and next year, they have everything to be right there to win the conf