The Gulf Oil Spill

[SatCam]

Hardy - i wear a suit and sit in an office and when I need to talk to a rig punch them up on a camera. I rarely step foot on those things, I hate helicopters.

More like

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/IndianCallCentre2.jpg


"Hello, my name is Michael how may I assist you with your oil rig trouble shooting today?"

[CaptainBlowhole]

OH, so its OUR fault now.....


http://friendsofirony.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/1292039119356457001.jpg

[Dude!]

first off, we need to stop
calling this a 'spill'
it is not a spill, not in any sense
of the word
it is a gush, or some other word
like that

now...
meet the new bosses
same as the old bosses:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/111965?RS_show_page=0

[StanUpshaw]

QUIET! You wanna' end up like the guy who invented the car that runs on water?

My point was that wind turbines kill tens of thousands of birds annually. And cars kill many times that. Fucking birds.

[Syd]

first off, we need to stop
calling this a 'spill'
it is not a spill, not in any sense
of the word
it is a gush, or some other word
like that

Would have gone with worst ecological disaster since Tunguska instead of gush or spill

[StanUpshaw]

If we're somehow ranking Gulf of Mexico oil spills worse than all other disasters except giant meteors, then how is this the "worst ecological disaster" when it's not even the worst Gulf oil spill?

[torker]

first off, we need to stop
calling this a 'spill'
it is not a spill, not in any sense
of the word
it is a gush, or some other word
like that


you talk like you own a mule
http://mentalfloss.cachefly.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/gabby.jpg
dagnabitt

[A.J.]

you talk like you own a mule
http://mentalfloss.cachefly.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/gabby.jpg
dagnabitt

"It's authentic messageboard gibberish."

http://www.morethings.com/fan/blazing_saddles/blazing-saddles-300.jpg

[hanso]

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[Syd]

If we're somehow ranking Gulf of Mexico oil spills worse than all other disasters except giant meteors, then how is this the "worst ecological disaster" when it's not even the worst Gulf oil spill?

Get back to me when you figure out where 90% of the biodiversity in North America is

[StanUpshaw]

Get back to me when you figure out where 90% of the biodiversity in North America is

For the sake of argument, let's say oil spills in the Gulf of Mexico do actually kill 90% of the biodiversity in North America.

How does this spill rank as the worst ecological disaster if an even larger spill occurred 30 years ago?

[badmonkey]

Science channel has a documentary on the deepwater horizon incident starting at day 1 on right now if anybody's interested.

[underdog]

Science channel has a documentary on the deepwater horizon incident starting at day 1 on right now if anybody's interested.

Thank you!

It also replays at 1am, if anyone misses it.

[Syd]

For the sake of argument, let's say oil spills in the Gulf of Mexico do actually kill 90% of the biodiversity in North America.

How does this spill rank as the worst ecological disaster if an even larger spill occurred 30 years ago?

Because the ecology of that area is very, very finely tuned and doesn't react well to external forces? And that the ecology of the area has migratory birds? And that the migratory birds are also extremely vital parts of many other separate ecologies? It's a chain reaction that, as far as humanity is concerned, nearly permanently changes how the Gulf will function. Instead of having some sort of equilibrium, it will be very bottom heavy with most of the life being that which can live in heavily oxygen deprived areas. Hint: that means a lot of viral and bacterial life, none of which can replace the vital functions that reefs serve or migratory birds serve.

All locations for ecological disasters are not equal. Why do you think there are so many regulations for dealing with tidal marshes or other tributaries but not non-tidal creeks or ponds? It's almost like one being damaged causes more problems.

[Dude!]

that was some speech
that Carter gave tonight

the natives are restless:



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/06/15/msnbc_trashes_obamas_address_compared_to_carter_i_ dont_sense_executive_command.html

[keithy_19]

Didn't BP come out and say they were going to pay for all of this fairly early?

[A.J.]

that was some speech
that Carter gave tonight

the natives are restless:



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/06/15/msnbc_trashes_obamas_address_compared_to_carter_i_ dont_sense_executive_command.html

I knew his speech would end up being like this one:

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

that was some speech
that Carter gave tonight

the natives are restless:



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/06/15/msnbc_trashes_obamas_address_compared_to_carter_i_ dont_sense_executive_command.html

Its not good when his 2 biggest water carriers Olbermann and Matthews were tearing him a new one

[A.J.]

Maybe we can plug this thing with Obama's Nobel Peace Prize.

[Syd]

I knew his speech would end up being like this one:

Kind of sad considering is the most apt speech in American history. People don't want to face the facts about it even today.

[sink]

I see Syd still spews the rhetoric of his Cal Berkley professor, yet really is talking out of his ass.

[Syd]

I see Sink still thinks I have a degree in economics, though I must admit he seems to know something I don't because maybe it really IS beneficial in geotech engineering

[Syd]

Now on to more fun stuff, like how dispersants meant for PR purposes are potentially now causing even more widespread damage:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ybenjamin/detail?blogid=150&entry_id=65552#ixzz0r50FOO4i

whoda thunk something meant to attack carbon chains seems to cause some damage to carbon based life

The fun thing will be seeing if the dispersants act like they did at the Valdez spill -- those caused lung and brain hemorrhages in the mammalian sea life up there. Given that fishermen working exposed to the dispersants in the gulf are already coming back to the doctors with significantly diminished lung capacity it looks like it will be the same except now much more damaging to human life.

[Syd]

last but not least, this spill will be going on until later this year unless someone gets incredibly lucky.

There are seemingly 2 or more leaks in the system. The kill solutions should have worked, but if they didn't there was at least one more hole down there causing the leak which the junk shot wasn't able to contain for one reason or another. The newer videos show the riser pipe more or less as open as possible. BP tried to relieve some of the pressure on the lower leaks since they weren't possible to be fixed. However, the reason is that it's no longer an attempt at stopping the leak. After the explosive detonation plan was kaiboshed it was pretty evident, but now that they uncapped the well as best they could it's looking to be nothing more than a retrieval act by BP. They're just going to let the 40-60k bpd out into the ocean and hope they get *extremely* lucky hitting the main pipe with the relief wells. Hitting something like that is difficult to begin with, but being it so deep under the ocean gives it a success rate that can't be too great.

Also, beyond that and more into speculation the more you read about the well the more you see how poorly it was done and that the pipe now is more than likely only held in place by its own displacement/weight. After all that has been done and all that goes on anything holding it in place is likely gone, meaning that even if relief pipe hits home, it might not be sufficient at reducing the pressure and containing the leak. Unless BP decides to stop gambling, it is entirely possible that the area around the well will collapse and the leak will increase in scope exponentially. I don't know enough about how that well was drilled or the quality of the work, but again, the reports out about it don't make it sound like it was done for anything other than speed and cost efficiency.

The Gulf states are all pretty much fucked now, all along the shores it's basically 1/3rd of the economy. Not only are the people out of work, but they're at significantly increased odds of severe medical problems. There's going to be massive Detroit-ification as those that can leave do leave. What will be left will the poor and infirm.

On top of that, if a hurricane hits the gulf it's going to go absolutely apeshit. The albedo of the water there might as well be 0. It's going to be a fun, if not morbid hurricane season.

[Dude!]

On top of that, if a hurricane hits the gulf it's going to go absolutely apeshit. The albedo of the water there might as well be 0. It's going to be a fun, if not morbid hurricane season.

fun?

wow...you are really
heartless

[Syd]

fun?

wow...you are really
heartless

The agricultural and societal fallout from the oil spill will cause more deaths than the hurricane, this is just a fancy "What if the surface albedo of the ocean was massively changed and all the barrier islands and reefs were weakened or destroyed". We could possibly get to see a hurricane more destructive than Hurricane Camille.

Then on top of that, a huge portion of the gulf is now going to have major oxygen issues and there's going to be a ton of stuff dying there. In terms of raw biomass, anyone that dies in a hurricane this year is going to be chump change to what has already died

[Furtherman]

Then on top of that, a huge portion of the gulf is now going to have major oxygen issues and there's going to be a ton of stuff dying there. In terms of raw biomass, anyone that dies in a hurricane this year is going to be chump change to what has already died

The Gulf already had problems in the last decade with "dead zones (http://futurity.org/top-stories/will-oil-spill-expand-gulfs-dead-zone/)", where low levels of oxygen in areas was killing off any life.

[Serpico1103]

For the sake of argument, let's say oil spills in the Gulf of Mexico do actually kill 90% of the biodiversity in North America.

How does this spill rank as the worst ecological disaster if an even larger spill occurred 30 years ago?

1) This spill may be larger than the "larger spill that occurred 30 years ago."

2) Its proximity to shore makes it more harmful to the environment.

[keithy_19]

1) This spill may be larger than the "larger spill that occurred 30 years ago."

2) Its proximity to shore makes it more harmful to the environment.

It's kind of ironic that if they drilled closer this spill may not have happened. It, of course, could have happened still, but it would be less of a risk. An eye sore perhaps, but not like this.

[sink]

last but not least, this spill will be going on until later this year unless someone gets incredibly lucky.

There are seemingly 2 or more leaks in the system. The kill solutions should have worked, but if they didn't there was at least one more hole down there causing the leak which the junk shot wasn't able to contain for one reason or another. The newer videos show the riser pipe more or less as open as possible. BP tried to relieve some of the pressure on the lower leaks since they weren't possible to be fixed. However, the reason is that it's no longer an attempt at stopping the leak. After the explosive detonation plan was kaiboshed it was pretty evident, but now that they uncapped the well as best they could it's looking to be nothing more than a retrieval act by BP. They're just going to let the 40-60k bpd out into the ocean and hope they get *extremely* lucky hitting the main pipe with the relief wells. Hitting something like that is difficult to begin with, but being it so deep under the ocean gives it a success rate that can't be too great.

Also, beyond that and more into speculation the more you read about the well the more you see how poorly it was done and that the pipe now is more than likely only held in place by its own displacement/weight. After all that has been done and all that goes on anything holding it in place is likely gone, meaning that even if relief pipe hits home, it might not be sufficient at reducing the pressure and containing the leak. Unless BP decides to stop gambling, it is entirely possible that the area around the well will collapse and the leak will increase in scope exponentially. I don't know enough about how that well was drilled or the quality of the work, but again, the reports out about it don't make it sound like it was done for anything other than speed and cost efficiency.

The Gulf states are all pretty much fucked now, all along the shores it's basically 1/3rd of the economy. Not only are the people out of work, but they're at significantly increased odds of severe medical problems. There's going to be massive Detroit-ification as those that can leave do leave. What will be left will the poor and infirm.

On top of that, if a hurricane hits the gulf it's going to go absolutely apeshit. The albedo of the water there might as well be 0. It's going to be a fun, if not morbid hurricane season.

Actually, you have no idea what you are talking about. They are not going to be extremely lucky with the relief wells, with acoustic and systemic technology they will nail that main casing within and inch, inject 16lb barite laced liquid mud down hole "bottom kill" and finish it off with an injection of concrete that has been circulating with agitation paddles on a vessel and when injected hardens very fast. The top kill failed b/c there was an exit for the mud which caused the pressure to not be able to be HELD, they actually did push the oil back down, but to continue it would have been a constant cycle of mud injection, not an option. Blowing it up was never a real option, that's just for you idiots to talk about, it could rip the shale formation of the well wide open causing the this leak to look like me taking a piss. The junk shot was meant to clog the BOP, reduce flow and assist the top kill, but trust me, most insiders in the industry did not give that a fighting change.

While you have some valid points on the ecological and environment damage, don't pretend to know deepwater drilling. And no, my degree was not in econ, it was accounting with an MBA, but unlike you I do run a company after putting in 10 years of public accounting that happens to be in the deepwater oil industry so I speak from experience and not what I read on some fucking blog.

You have not changed a bit kid.

[Syd]

if you want to try to correct me try to correct me on something I already pointed out and you tried to refute with some stupid bullshit BP has been spewing:

For starters you know as well as I do the pipe is completely fucked up. The top kill failed because there are leaks below it, yeah: BP busted out an inclinometer to check how secured the pipe is (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEB2TjkAfx8)

The top kill failed b/c there was an exit for the mud which caused the pressure to not be able to be HELD, they actually did push the oil back down, but to continue it would have been a constant cycle of mud injection, not an option.

If you want to do some educating then tell me what in the fuck BP was thinking when they tried the top kill. Ok, top kills have to work fast, they tested the system once and the mud came pluming out. Ok, the system worked? The next plume that came out was with the barite when the mud color changed. If that failed, that meant there were other leaks in the system. Yet BP claimed they'd "know within two days or so" which means they knew the top kill had no change of working because there were additional leaks that they may have discovered from the test shot. Did the test shot reveal that additional pipe damage? Did the amount of gas/oil coming out of the pipe change and they just figured "fuck it" and do the top kill anyway for PR? Or did they attempt to pump enough barite down to help solidify what was around the riser pipe that was leaking out? They obviously knew it wasn't going to happen from their handy-dandy HD feed of the situation so trying it anyway and potentially causing more damage to the riser seems inexplicably risky.

Also you know better about the junk shot. They were trying to clog any leaks down the pipe in an effort to reduce the amount of erosion happening around the riser pipe. Why do you think they cut off the top of the pipe around the BOP as much as possible? They were trying to give the escaping oil/gas the easiest way out instead of from the leaks farther down. You definitely know better than that or you're working for BP and trying to downplay how fucked up the pipe situation is which every single time you hear about BP trying something makes it sound like it's in a near catastrophic situation from massive erosion around its moorings.

If you don't believe me and think I am just reading shit from a blog, here's a simple way of showing what happens if you try to top kill a leaky well. Go to your backyard and puncture your hose a few times. Turn the spigot on and watch the water flow slowly out from the punctures. Then put your finger on the end of the hose and watch how the amount of water coming out of the punctures increases. There, you have how top killing is a bad idea if indeed the pipe has leaks below the BOP.

You may know the oil industry, but the science behind this is closer to my wheelhouse as a civil engineer than it is an MBA's wheelhouse.

My half-ass guess is that you're right about the relief wells, but for a different reason. They're going to direct them at the oil/gas itself but it is going to be too late. That riser pipe is going to come loose sooner rather than later and all the weight that is holding it in place is going to cause some serious issues when it does.

[Syd]

also the seabed integrity stuff:

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2010/06/13/bp-gulf-oil-spill-seafloor-oil-gas-leak-videos-photos/

Reasonable proof that the well itself is having problems and causing the seabed to become unstable.

[sink]

if you want to try to correct me try to correct me on something I already pointed out and you tried to refute with some stupid bullshit BP has been spewing:

For starters you know as well as I do the pipe is completely fucked up. The top kill failed because there are leaks below it, yeah: BP busted out an inclinometer to check how secured the pipe is (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEB2TjkAfx8)



If you want to do some educating then tell me what in the fuck BP was thinking when they tried the top kill. Ok, top kills have to work fast, they tested the system once and the mud came pluming out. Ok, the system worked? The next plume that came out was with the barite when the mud color changed. If that failed, that meant there were other leaks in the system. Yet BP claimed they'd "know within two days or so" which means they knew the top kill had no change of working because there were additional leaks that they may have discovered from the test shot. Did the test shot reveal that additional pipe damage? Did the amount of gas/oil coming out of the pipe change and they just figured "fuck it" and do the top kill anyway for PR? Or did they attempt to pump enough barite down to help solidify what was around the riser pipe that was leaking out? They obviously knew it wasn't going to happen from their handy-dandy HD feed of the situation so trying it anyway and potentially causing more damage to the riser seems inexplicably risky.

Also you know better about the junk shot. They were trying to clog any leaks down the pipe in an effort to reduce the amount of erosion happening around the riser pipe. Why do you think they cut off the top of the pipe around the BOP as much as possible? They were trying to give the escaping oil/gas the easiest way out instead of from the leaks farther down. You definitely know better than that or you're working for BP and trying to downplay how fucked up the pipe situation is which every single time you hear about BP trying something makes it sound like it's in a near catastrophic situation from massive erosion around its moorings.

If you don't believe me and think I am just reading shit from a blog, here's a simple way of showing what happens if you try to top kill a leaky well. Go to your backyard and puncture your hose a few times. Turn the spigot on and watch the water flow slowly out from the punctures. Then put your finger on the end of the hose and watch how the amount of water coming out of the punctures increases. There, you have how top killing is a bad idea if indeed the pipe has leaks below the BOP.

You may know the oil industry, but the science behind this is closer to my wheelhouse as a civil engineer than it is an MBA's wheelhouse.

My half-ass guess is that you're right about the relief wells, but for a different reason. They're going to direct them at the oil/gas itself but it is going to be too late. That riser pipe is going to come loose sooner rather than later and all the weight that is holding it in place is going to cause some serious issues when it does.

I don't really disagree with a lot of what you say, the top kill was not able to hold a constant downward pressure keeping the hydrocarbons down, but it did produce enough pressure to actually force back toward the reservoir. You are correct in the reason that the pressure could not be maintained, it was an escape path that was not fully sealed. Whether the actual well bore is fractured and unstable is unknown, it could be, but the mud lines for the top kill where connected to a manifold on the sea floor and then connected into the choke lines of the BOP. The riser connection is not a tight mechanical seal right now, most agree that was the release point and now the integrity of the well.

Yes, BP knew within a few hours that top kill was not going to work, the pressure readings were all over the map, saying they needed a few days was busllshit, they knew. They gave the top kill a 70% chance internally, but it was a huge defeat when it did not work and they really thought this could do it. They also new that a top kill fail meant the only real other way to fully plug and abandoned the well was the relief wells which was months away.

I will also say it has been embarrassing to watch BP literally engineer this shit on the fly. There was no plan for this and they are making it up as they go.

The real riser issue you are seeing was not from the top kill, it was from the top hat containment dome. In order to get the best fit and kill the other riser leak, they cut the riser off at the BOP for the top hat to go over. The diamond ROV blade did not work, so the cut was very rough when they used the shears. This fully opened the riser while removing the little resistance the riser kink was creating. Flow from the well without a doubt increased, some say it might be leaking more now with the vent opened containment top hat that was leaking before with no containment. They has a 48k DWT shuttle tanker taking the product form the drill ship and they were getting so much they are bringing in a 120k DWT VLCC to take on the product, and as you can see, a shitload is still being spewed from the top hat arrangement meaning the leak was always much larger than either though or disclosed.

Risers don't have weight forcing pressure down on the BOP. Riser's utilize a floatation technology that creates buoyancy to take the pressure of the pipe seams and the BOP. I think the well head is going to be ok and you won't see any sub sea intergrity issues with regards to that.

The directional drilling is not going for the actual reserve, they are coming in horizontal above the actual reservior tapping into the casing assembly. The are going to "bottom kill" the well by plugging it from the intersection point in the casing down to the reserve pocket.

I don't "work" for BP, they are a client and I will be the first person to say they fucked up really bad. Multiple procedures were ignored, human decisions violated safe ops manuals and when you combine the 7-10 key fuckups that should never happen in drilling operations, you get this.

I feel sorry for companies like Shell. They have a good safety record and a solid company to work with yet they had 7 of the 33 deepwater wells frozen under the Moratorium. BP had 1. And no, I'm not an engineer, I learned at a young age you I am no expert at a lot of things, so I just hire really smart people to surround myself with to cover all basis.

[LordJezo]

I was just told by someone here at work that the oil spill is actually a plan by the global elites to help eliminate the southern population of the United States. Apparently FEMA camps are being prepared to "house" the citizens that will be evacuated. The entire east coast of the US is expected to start coming down with respiratory diseases.


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There's the proof.

[A.J.]

I was just told by someone here at work that the oil spill is actually a plan by the global elites to help eliminate the southern population of the United States.

If they wanted to do that, then just bomb NASCAR events.

[JPMNICK]

If they wanted to do that, then just bomb NASCAR events.

or poison beef jerkey

[Misteriosa]

i dont know if this has been posted yet but:

http://virtualshacklesimagestest.appspot.com/serve/oil_spill.jpg

:laugh:

[KnoxHarrington]

Since everything's obviously OK in the Gulf now, BP CEO Tony Heyward's decided to go check out a yacht race around the Isle of Wight.

Spokeswoman Sheila Williams said Hayward took a break from overseeing BP efforts to stem the undersea gusher in Gulf of Mexico so he could watch his 52-foot (16-meter) yacht "Bob" participate in the J.P. Morgan Asset Management Round the Island Race.
The boat, made by the Annapolis, Maryland-based boatbuilder Farr Yacht Design, has a list price of nearly $700,000.
The annual Round the Island Race is one of the world's largest, attracting more than 1,700 boats and 16,000 sailors as famous yachtsmen compete with wealthy amateurs in the 50-nautical mile course around the island.

Joe Barton has apologized that when he got to the yacht race, all the brie had already been eaten and Hayward had to make due with camembert.

Seriously, is this guy nuts?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100619/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill;_ylt=AnaA0ZGicJe8m9z0qLDCk56s0NU E;_ylu=X3oDMTNoczViY3ExBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwNjE5L3V zX2d1bGZfb2lsX3NwaWxsBGNjb2RlA21vc3Rwb3B1bGFyBGNwb 3MDMQRwb3MDMgRwdANob21lX2Nva2UEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9 yeQRzbGsDYXNvaWxzcGV3c2lu

[epo]

I was just told by someone here at work that the oil spill is actually a plan by the global elites to help eliminate the southern population of the United States. Apparently FEMA camps are being prepared to "house" the citizens that will be evacuated. The entire east coast of the US is expected to start coming down with respiratory diseases.


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There's the proof.

I can't believe I bothered to actually watch that video, but it has absolutely NOTHING to do with a conspiracy. Actually Jones and his freak guest actually state in the video that the whole BP spill is an accident caused by drilling too deep.

Either your board character is off or you are slightly retarded.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Since everything's obviously OK in the Gulf now, BP CEO Tony Heyward's decided to go check out a yacht race around the Isle of Wight.



Joe Barton has apologized that when he got to the yacht race, all the brie had already been eaten and Hayward had to make due with camembert.

Seriously, is this guy nuts?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100619/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill;_ylt=AnaA0ZGicJe8m9z0qLDCk56s0NU E;_ylu=X3oDMTNoczViY3ExBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwNjE5L3V zX2d1bGZfb2lsX3NwaWxsBGNjb2RlA21vc3Rwb3B1bGFyBGNwb 3MDMQRwb3MDMgRwdANob21lX2Nva2UEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9 yeQRzbGsDYXNvaWxzcGV3c2lu

He wanted his life back, He got his wish

[Dude!]

Since everything's obviously OK in the Gulf now, BP CEO Tony Heyward's decided to go check out a yacht race around the Isle of Wight.

and in case you didn't know
Obama went golfing
this afternoon

both are idiots

[high fly]

It's kind of ironic that if they drilled closer this spill may not have happened. It, of course, could have happened still, but it would be less of a risk. An eye sore perhaps, but not like this.

You think they would have tapped into the same deposits now gushing into the Gulf had they drilled on the beach?

Besides "eye sore," try "navigation hazard" as well. Lotsa boats cruise those waters.
I counted 26 marinas in Hancock, Harrison and Jackson counties, Mississippi and I am sure there are plenty more in Louisiana.
Try doing some night sailing sometime.....

[Barnaby Jones]

and in case you didn't know
Obama went golfing
this afternoon

both are idiots

Why you are always so hung up on his golf outings?

You stalking creep.

[torker]

and in case you didn't know
Obama went golfing
this afternoon

both are idiots

You know they're not the same dude, Dude!?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_w6neSeQ-4fI/SXQCYEebwwI/AAAAAAAAANI/eSMHrgV1mYg/s320/Obama+Woods.jpg

[PapaBear]

You know they're not the same dude, Dude!?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_w6neSeQ-4fI/SXQCYEebwwI/AAAAAAAAANI/eSMHrgV1mYg/s320/Obama+Woods.jpg
Golfers all look the same to Dude!.

[Barnaby Jones]

You know they're not the same dude, Dude!?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_w6neSeQ-4fI/SXQCYEebwwI/AAAAAAAAANI/eSMHrgV1mYg/s320/Obama+Woods.jpg

For the good of golf, Obama must be on the links!

[keithy_19]

You think they would have tapped into the same deposits now gushing into the Gulf had they drilled on the beach?

Besides "eye sore," try "navigation hazard" as well. Lotsa boats cruise those waters.
I counted 26 marinas in Hancock, Harrison and Jackson counties, Mississippi and I am sure there are plenty more in Louisiana.
Try doing some night sailing sometime.....

So then don't let them sail there. Maybe we shouldn't drill off the shore of New Orleans.

I do not think they would have hit the same deposits if they drilled earlier. And, if they did, they would have an easier time taking care of it. It wouldn't be easy, but I think that it would be easier.

[CurseoftheBambi]

and in case you didn't know
Obama went golfing
this afternoon

both are idiots

and you took a dump and didn't go down to the gulf to clean birds.

What are you expecting Obama to do what he hasnt already done? It's BP's responsiblity to do this clean up not Obama's...now...you can volunteer to clean up birds instead of dumping in your apt toliet and dump down in the gulf area. Since you want something to be done...with your outrage.:lol:

[Furtherman]

The whole outrage that this guy went sailing? I don't get it. So what? He could stand on a gulf beach 24/7 until it's fixed and that wouldn't make anything go faster.

[Syd]

People don't want big government. It shouldn't be the government's responsibility to deal with this. If people have such a hard-on for the free market let the free market fix the situation.

[sink]

People don't want big government. It shouldn't be the government's responsibility to deal with this. If people have such a hard-on for the free market let the free market fix the situation.

Sweet, can we now rewind the clock and take back every single bailout from GM to Banks to Muni's and let it really work like a free market. I could go for some of that.

[Serpico1103]

The whole outrage that this guy went sailing? I don't get it. So what? He could stand on a gulf beach 24/7 until it's fixed and that wouldn't make anything go faster.

It is a bad PR move. If you caused a fire that spread through your neighborhood, would you go yachting while the fire continued to threaten people's homes, jobs, the ecosystem?

Under normal circumstances I find it hard to believe that someone running a gigantic global corporation has time to relax at yachting races. Let alone one going through one of the biggest crisis of its existence.The same for presidents. Many people work 7 days to support a family for years. If you ran for president, how about working every day. And don't tell me working vacation.

People don't want big government. It shouldn't be the government's responsibility to deal with this. If people have such a hard-on for the free market let the free market fix the situation.

People want governments big enough to help them, small enough to not tax them.
A free market can not work now that we have allowed corporations to become global conglomerates. When they were small focused entities, the free market had a chance, now the balance swings too heavily in favor of the corporations.

[Furtherman]

I disagree. People are working on it, and they'll be the ones to fix it. If you want to check up on people, see what the engineers are doing to fix the problem. That guy is just a suit.

[disneyspy]

spy report-the spill has been stopped

they put a ring on it

and it quit putting out

[Serpico1103]

I disagree. People are working on it, and they'll be the ones to fix it. If you want to check up on people, see what the engineers are doing to fix the problem. That guy is just a suit.

I know he is a suit. But, if he really doesn't need to be involved, maybe he doesn't need his job either.
I don't think it is a major deal. Except someone should have, maybe they did, advise him that yachting could cause BP a PR problem.
Another step towards revolution, as people realize how the upper 1% live, they may wake from their slumber.

Tangent. Listening to O&A today, hearing idiots saying spill isn't a big issue because of the size of the ocean. Yes the ocean is big. BUT, the spill isn't equally spread throughout the ocean. If it was that would allow for nature to break it down quicker. Instead, it is more concentrated, making the natural process much less effective. One large ice cube melts slower than several smaller ice cubes.
At least, every caller prefaced their comments by saying they aren't scientists. Thanks, I wasn't sure.

[Serpico1103]

spy report-the spill has been stopped

they put a ring on it

and it quit putting out

This is a serious problem. No jokes please.















:furious:

[disneyspy]

This is a serious problem. No jokes please.















:furious:

if they want to dry that hole up they should show it a picture of hottub

[Serpico1103]

if they want to dry that hole up they should show it a picture of hottub

Can't we drop some Mafialife cigars on it?

[disneyspy]

i'm watching this on tv,i havent seen this much petroleum since midwestjeff farted

[sink]

Many people work 7 days to support a family for years.

I work in the deepwater oil industry and rest assured we are working 7 days a week since this began. I don't expect hayward or obama to be walking beaches picking up trash or working on the relief wells, but it does send a bad message to all the people that are being effected by this that don't have the luxury to play golf b/c their lives are being stripped right in front of them.

[disneyspy]

Can't we drop some Mafialife cigars on it?

dat would drain da gulf and all da fishes would die

[Serpico1103]

I work in the deepwater oil industry and rest assured we are working 7 days a week since this began. I don't expect hayward or obama to be walking beaches picking up trash or working on the relief wells, but it does send a bad message to all the people that are being effected by this that don't have the luxury to play golf b/c their lives are being stripped right in front of them.

I have no doubt some people are working. Something tells me none of them are making 7 figures.
Again, I don't expect him to don a scuba suit and squeeze the pipe shut.
But, if during a regular week he is a busy CEO, how is he not working more now?
Had it been a more pedestrian vacation, it might have been acceptable.

[brettmojo]

I have no doubt some people are working. Something tells me none of them are making 7 figures.
Again, I don't expect him to don a scuba suit and squeeze the pipe shut.
But, if during a regular week he is a busy CEO, how is he not working more now?
Had it been a more pedestrian vacation, it might have been acceptable.
He wipes his ass with your acceptance... And $100 dollar bills.

I laugh at the anger people have over this. The soundbites on the news shows are hilarious.

"Hello Mrs. Soccer Mom, what do you think of the CEO vacationing while the oil is leaking?"

"HE SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF HIMSELF!"

Now jump back into your Chevy Tahoe and drop your kids off at Soccer practice after you stop at Starbucks. Shut the fuck up lady.

[Furtherman]

We are small people! We can't possibly know what it's like to live a life of smugness!

[Serpico1103]

He wipes his ass with your acceptance... And $100 dollar bills.
I laugh at the anger people have over this. The soundbites on the news shows are hilarious.
"Hello Mrs. Soccer Mom, what do you think of the CEO vacationing while the oil is leaking?"
"HE SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF HIMSELF!"
Now jump back into your Chevy Tahoe and drop your kids off at Soccer practice after you stop at Starbucks. Shut the fuck up lady.

I don't care. People do. Therefore, he should. How many people could potentially drive past a BP station because of his vacation choice? Are they ignorant, misinformed, just stupid? Maybe. But, the stockholders prefer profits to CEO vacations.

[badmonkey]

I have no doubt some people are working. Something tells me none of them are making 7 figures.
Again, I don't expect him to don a scuba suit and squeeze the pipe shut.
But, if during a regular week he is a busy CEO, how is he not working more now?
Had it been a more pedestrian vacation, it might have been acceptable.

He didn't take a vacation. He went to a yacht race. Obama went to a baseball game. Big deal on both counts. And even if it had been a vacation and a more pedestrian one at that, I doubt seriously that headlines like "BP CEO spends weekend in Branson" would have gone over any better with anybody.

If you asked the CEO of the company I work for how my department runs, I guarantee he'd have some vague idea about it but no specifics at all. His job is to make big picture decisions and get people to invest money in the company. This guy don't know shit about the day to day operations either. He has at least 3 levels of management between him and any of that.

[Furtherman]

I have no doubt some people are working. Something tells me none of them are making 7 figures.
Again, I don't expect him to don a scuba suit and squeeze the pipe shut.
But, if during a regular week he is a busy CEO, how is he not working more now?
Had it been a more pedestrian vacation, it might have been acceptable.

A busy CEO doesn't work much, and I don't know his backstory, but CEO's never take a pedestrian vacation.

[Serpico1103]

He didn't take a vacation. He went to a yacht race. Obama went to a baseball game. Big deal on both counts. And even if it had been a vacation and a more pedestrian one at that, I doubt seriously that headlines like "BP CEO spends weekend in Branson" would have gone over any better with anybody.

If you asked the CEO of the company I work for how my department runs, I guarantee he'd have some vague idea about it but no specifics at all. His job is to make big picture decisions and get people to invest money in the company. This guy don't know shit about the day to day operations either. He has at least 3 levels of management between him and any of that.

I don't expect him to do anything.
I do expect him, or would if I was a BP stockholder, to be concerned about BP's public image.
Going on to a yacht race seems obvious that it could cause PR problems. That's all.
If he was locked in his office watching german shit videos for 14 hours a day, the media would have to report, "BP CEO hard at work trying to solve crisis."

[brettmojo]

I don't care. People do...
No. No... They don't fucking care. If they did they'd trade their Suburbans in and get Hybrids or they'd start using public transportation. The over consuming me me me me now now now now American public is the main blame for this. Not some suit who figureheads a company. Drill baby drill!!! How's that workin' fer' ya' Sarah Palin? Oh wait, I mean Obama. No wait. He didn't say that, he just tried to appease that side of the country by opening up more drilling. Let's criticize him now though for doing something he didn't want to do anyway.

Why should he even appear to give a shit when no one else seems to? I don't see George Clooney on a telethon on FOX/CBS/NBC/ABC/NGFBNI?V?EZ?V/e/v/e/ every fucking station over the course of one night begging me to send money to the gulf to save the residents. All I see is Edward James Olmos pot faced grumpy old man ass and Ryan Seacrest being thrown a few minutes on Larry King (still a')Live and some emo kid who puts his dick in Jessica Simpson's sister. I guess you have to be brown to get celebrities to give you money. At least to adopt your kids apparently. Too bad they didn't spill that oil in New Orleans. Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt would have whooped up a celebrity token telethon fucking frenzy. Oh shit, Herbie Hancock is there too? Maybe they are bringing out the big guns for this. Maybe Haiti can donate some of their shacks and out houses that the 58 million George Clooney raised for them rebuilt them so we can try jamming them in the oil leak.

It's not trendy to care about white people... So who cares? No one is looking at this and coming to the conclusion they should,"Hey, maybe enough is enough with this being entirely dependent on oil shit..." We're just looking for someone to blame and extort money from so we can continue funding our self destructive behavior until finally all the dead dinosaur goo is gone and we turn on each other like fucking animals for the last few buckets.

[Serpico1103]

No. No... They don't fucking care.

I don't think they care enough to do much. But, driving past the BP station to the next corner for a different gas is possible. It buts a clear image and face to BP's mistakes.
It is bad PR. Let's move on.

[torker]

stop bitching about the beaches
the white pristine beaches
imagine what we cant see
the horror

the horror

[Syd]

Sweet, can we now rewind the clock and take back every single bailout from GM to Banks to Muni's and let it really work like a free market. I could go for some of that.

I'm still very much pro GM bailout because of the need to produce, but the bank bailouts are ATROCIOUS

[Syd]

People want governments big enough to help them, small enough to not tax them. A free market can not work now that we have allowed corporations to become global conglomerates. When they were small focused entities, the free market had a chance, now the balance swings too heavily in favor of the corporations.

People want whatever corporations tell them to want. Neoliberal foreign policies to benefit American corporations are the norm, and now we're seeing neoliberal domestic policies to benefit any corporations.

It's all pretty atrocious with what happened from the 80s onward but we're sitting in the shitpile now. Instead of responsible work done in the gulf, we just had a fuckup courtesy of no one watching what was happening. Now the taxpayers will pay for the cleanup and have to live with the long lasting damage from it.

[Dude!]

It's not trendy to care about white people... So who cares?

you should have said
"It's not trendy
to care about rednecks"

if this disaster were
happening off Martha's Vineyard
or Hyannis or Rehoboth
every fucking ship in the US Navy
would have been out there
from day 1 sucking up oil

and every scientist from MIT
to Cal Tech to NASA
would have been
conscripted

if it was the turf
of limousine liberals
under attack
the response by our govt.
would have been much, much, much different

[Serpico1103]

you should have said "It's not trendy to care about rednecks" if this disaster werehappening off Martha's Vineyard or Hyannis or Rehoboth every fucking ship in the US Navy would have been out there from day 1 sucking up oil and every scientist from MIT to Cal Tech to NASA would have been conscripted if it was the turf of limousine liberals
under attack the response by our govt. would have been much, much, much different

Yeah man, rednecks and rich Repubicans are the only ones suffering from this liberal screw up.
I hope Bush can step up and solve this mess with all his oil buddies, like he solved the leaks in Iraq. Maybe we should invade England.

[Dude!]

Yeah man, rednecks and rich Repubicans are the only ones suffering from this liberal screw up.
I hope Bush can step up and solve this mess with all his oil buddies, like he solved the leaks in Iraq. Maybe we should invade England.


who else has oil buddies?

# 1 all-time recipient
of BP cash...

B. H. Obama

[Serpico1103]

who else has oil buddies? # 1 all-time recipient of BP cash...B. H. Obama

OH NO. You just blew my mind. Everything I believed in is shattered.
Corporate money? In politics? On both sides? Whoa!:wallbash:

[CurseoftheBambi]

you know who else has oil buddies...J.R. Ewing. Tis True Tis True/

[CurseoftheBambi]

http://gawker.com/5569070/is-either-barack-obama-or-tony-hayward-allowed-to-have-weekend-activities

[Serpico1103]

http://gawker.com/5569070/is-either-barack-obama-or-tony-hayward-allowed-to-have-weekend-activities

In my opinion. The president, nor congressman, should never be away from the office, except for actual meetings and work. They decided to run, for an office with a short term, WORK.
The CEO of a company can vacation, I just think that during your company's biggest crisis, you should be working everyday. Whether it is real work or just PR work. Like the president, being a good leader is only part of the job. Looking like a leader is the other part. It is why presidents and CEOs are almost always tall, in decent shape, good looking men.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This is getting more interesting. No link as of yet but a federal Judge blocked the 6 month moratorium of deep water drilling

[Dude!]

This is getting more interesting. No link as of yet but a federal Judge blocked the 6 month moratorium of deep water drilling

thank god

it's bad enough that obama
allowed their shores to be
coated with oil and wildlife
killed and fishing industry destroyed

but then he wanted to put them
out of work too and totally destroy
what was left of the economy

at least 1 judge is thinking clearly

[Serpico1103]

Thank god. It's bad enough that Obama allowed their shores to be coated with oil and dead wildlife and also destroyed their fishing industry, but then he wanted to put them out of work; totally destroying what was left of the economy. At least 1 judge is thinking clearly!

Isn't that easy.

[sink]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-22/u-s-deepwater-oil-drilling-ban-lifted-today-by-new-orleans-federal-judge.html


A New Orleans federal judge lifted the six-month moratorium on deepwater drilling imposed by President Barack Obama following the largest oil spill in U.S. history. Shares of drilling services companies jumped on the news.

Obama temporarily halted all drilling in waters deeper than 500 feet on May 27 to give a presidential commission time to study improvements in the safety of offshore operations. More than a dozen Louisiana offshore service and supply companies sued U.S. regulators to lift the ban.

U.S. District Judge Martin Feldman today granted a preliminary injunction, halting the moratorium. Government lawyers told Feldman that ban was based on findings in a U.S. report following the sinking of the Deepwater Horizon rig off the Louisiana coast in April.

“The court is unable to divine or fathom a relationship between the findings and the immense scope of the moratorium,” Feldman said in his 22-page decision. “The blanket moratorium, with no parameters, seems to assume that because one rig failed and although no one yet fully knows why, all companies and rigs drilling new wells over 500 feet also universally present an imminent danger.”

U.S. Will Appeal

“The court cannot substitute its judgment for that of the agency, but the agency must ‘cogently explain why it has exercised its discretion in a given manner,’” Feldman said, citing a previous ruling. “It has not done so.”

The U.S. said it would appeal the decision.

“Continuing to drill at these depths without knowing what happened does not make any sense,” White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said.

Transocean Ltd., which leased the Deepwater Horizon to BP Plc, jumped as much as 3.5 percent in New York trading after the decision was announced. Hornbeck Offshore Services Inc., which brought the suit, surged as much as 11 percent.

The U.S. argued that the moratorium was necessary to assure public safety.

“We need to make sure deepwater drilling is as safe as we thought it was the day before this incident,” Brian Collins, a lawyer for the government, told Feldman in a court hearing June 21. “It is crucial to take the time because to fail to do so would be to gamble with the long-term future of this region.”

BP has two pipes collecting oil and gas from the ocean floor. They collected 25,830 barrels of oil yesterday, the biggest quantity diverted from the Gulf of Mexico since the April 20 spill began, London-based BP said in a statement.

Drilling Companies

Lawyers for the drilling companies told Feldman the moratorium illegally sidesteps a required industry comment period. They also said regulators failed to tell Obama that all active deepwater rigs passed an immediate re-inspection after the Deepwater Horizon exploded and sank, with only two rigs reporting minor violations and the rest getting approval to continue operations.

Henry Dart, special counsel for the Louisiana attorney general, told Feldman that federal regulators failed to consult with state officials about the impact of the drilling ban, allegedly violating U.S. law.

Filed Separate Suit

“Even after the catastrophic events of Sept. 11, the government only shut down the airlines for three days,” Louisiana said in court papers seeking to lift the ban. Diamond Offshore Co., owner of the world’s second-largest floating drilling rig fleet, has filed a separate lawsuit against the regulatory agencies over the ban in Houston federal court. That suit, which accused the government of illegally “taking” its drilling contracts, worth up to $500,000 a day, has a scheduling conference in Houston this afternoon before U.S. District Judge Nancy Atlas.

The case is Hornbeck Offshore Services LLC v. Salazar, 2:10-cv-01663, U.S. District Court, Eastern District of Louisiana (New Orleans).

[Serpico1103]

This is getting more interesting. No link as of yet but a federal Judge blocked the 6 month moratorium of deep water drilling

Damn those Republican activist judges.

[CaptainBlowhole]

I have been looking for something like this, and the announcer sounds a bit like Christopher Walken to boot:


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[hanso]

and in case you didn't know
Obama went golfing
this afternoon

both are idiots

From the start of the spill till now. The amount he golfed works out to lees then once a week. Would it be better if he took up fishing on his weekends?

[keithy_19]

From the start of the spill till now. The amount he golfed works out to lees then once a week. Would it be better if he took up fishing on his weekends?

Obama playing golf and Heyward going to a yacht race both look bad.

With that being said, what can they do? Heyward can't do anything. Obama can't do anything.

Them just sitting in their respective offices twiddling their thumbs won't accomplish anything. Let them do what they had plan.

[StanUpshaw]

Every time they take some personal time, they should have to seek forgiveness in the form of self flagellation.

The people are simply aching for some political theater, and it's hard to get more theatrical than that (just ask Ron Howard).

[hanso]

who else has oil buddies?

# 1 all-time recipient
of BP cash...

B. H. Obama

That would be Barton.

[Chigworthy]

I have been looking for something like this, and the announcer sounds a bit like Christopher Walken to boot:


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He’d be damned if any slope’s gonna’ put his greasy yellow hands on the blind shear ram.

[hanso]

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[brettmojo]

<object width="640" height="385">


<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/qO193f8xAls&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xd0d0d0&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" width="640" height="385"></object>
Someone needs to invest in a HD camera.

[Barnaby Jones]

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"Boiling like acid?" This feeb likes bad movies a little too much!

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[brettmojo]

Somebody probably just spilled some pop rocks.

[hanso]

Someone needs to invest in a HD camera.

The HD video is not any better and has a BP ad.

[Jughead]

My av out of just bad circumstance was taken on orange beach Sept 2009 me and my wife's first good vacation in 10 years.........I put it there way before the disaster... for a good memory........Makes me sick just like you and your kids and there kids.......

[LordJezo]

More proof that ultimate destruction is coming and is being covered up:

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http://www.helium.com/items/1864136-how-the-ultimate-bp-gulf-disaster-could-kill-millions

While the entire Gulf coastline is vulnerable, the state most exposed to the fury of a supersonic wave towering 150 to 200 feet or more is Florida. The Sunshine State only averages about 100 feet above sea level with much of the coastline and lowlands and swamps near zero elevation.

A supersonic tsunami would literally sweep away everything from Miami to the panhandle in a matter of minutes. Loss of human life would be virtually instantaneous and measured in the millions. Of course the states of Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and southern region of Georgia—a state with no Gulf coastline—would also experience tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of casualties.

Loss of property is virtually incalculable and the days of the US position as the world's superpower would be literally gone in a flash...of detonating methane.

[Syd]

Pretty sure the problem was from frozen methane and someone trying to be a little too harsh on the machinery.

Oh yeah, that and there's no fault lines remotely near it.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ypalM7eSBEQ/SdzT_ajylVI/AAAAAAAAAbM/XNB1-z6lvKg/s1600/tectonic_map.jpg

edit: should have read first about it being blamed on methane -- only difficult issue with that is there's not a sufficient amount of oxygen in the water for any real mass explosion to trigger a tsunami to occur

[Furtherman]

Now you can play at home! (http://www.metro.co.uk/news/834121-rare-1970s-bp-board-game-promises-oil-thrills-comes-back-to-haunt-them)

http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2010/07/05/article-1278367585317-0A53C952000005DC-229110_636x458.jpg

They were trouble-free times when oil barons were dining out with rich sheikhs and counting their profits.

But little did they know their drilling exploits would come back to haunt them.

Up to four would-be tycoons can compete at exploring for oil, building platforms and laying pipelines to their home countries.

But BP Offshore Oil Strike players must also avoid the dreaded ‘hazard cards’, which state: ‘Blow-out! Rig damaged. Oil slick clean-up costs. Pay $1million.’

Unhappily for BP, that is just one per cent of the amount it has spent each day tackling the very real Deepwater Horizon leak, which has seen millions of barrels of oil gush into the Gulf of Mexico and hit the southern US coast.

The mint-condition game, made by Scottish company Printabox, was donated by a private collector to The House On The Hill Toy Museum in Stansted, Essex. It was very rare and ‘obscure’, said museum owner Alan Goldsmith, who added: ‘The parallels between the game and the current crisis... are so spooky.

[Furtherman]

I have a feeling this article will be making the rounds this week. It'll build to a frenzy until we hear some more recent data. Anyway, it's a good one!

Doomsday: How BP Gulf disaster may have triggered a 'world-killing' event (http://www.helium.com/items/1882339-doomsday-how-bp-gulf-disaster-may-have-triggered-a-world-killing-event)

Ominous reports are leaking past the BP Gulf salvage operation news blackout that the disaster unfolding in the Gulf of Mexico may be about to reach biblical proportions.

251 million years ago a mammoth undersea methane bubble caused massive explosions, poisoned the atmosphere and destroyed more than 96 percent of all life on Earth. [1] Experts agree that what is known as the Permian extinction event was the greatest mass extinction event in the history of the world. [2]

55 million years later another methane bubble ruptured causing more mass extinctions during the Late Paleocene Thermal Maximum (LPTM).

The LPTM lasted 100,000 years. [3]

Those subterranean seas of methane virtually reshaped the planet when they explosively blew from deep beneath the waters of what is today called the Gulf of Mexico.

Now, worried scientists are increasingly concerned the same series of catastrophic events that led to worldwide death back then may be happening again-and no known technology can stop it.

The bottom line: BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling operation may have triggered an irreversible, cascading geological Apocalypse that will culminate with the first mass extinction of life on Earth in many millions of years.

[Dude!]

I have a feeling this article will be making the rounds this week. It'll build to a frenzy until we hear some more recent data. Anyway, it's a good one!

i hope this is true...
i'm going to stop
paying my bills today

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I have a feeling this article will be making the rounds this week. It'll build to a frenzy until we hear some more recent data. Anyway, it's a good one!

Doomsday: How BP Gulf disaster may have triggered a 'world-killing' event (http://www.helium.com/items/1882339-doomsday-how-bp-gulf-disaster-may-have-triggered-a-world-killing-event)

The earth is too crowded, theres already 7 billion people on it.

[brettmojo]

I have a feeling this article will be making the rounds this week. It'll build to a frenzy until we hear some more recent data. Anyway, it's a good one!

Doomsday: How BP Gulf disaster may have triggered a 'world-killing' event (http://www.helium.com/items/1882339-doomsday-how-bp-gulf-disaster-may-have-triggered-a-world-killing-event)

Ominous reports are leaking past the BP Gulf salvage operation news blackout that the disaster unfolding in the Gulf of Mexico may be about to reach biblical proportions.

251 million years ago a mammoth undersea methane bubble caused massive explosions, poisoned the atmosphere and destroyed more than 96 percent of all life on Earth. [1] Experts agree that what is known as the Permian extinction event was the greatest mass extinction event in the history of the world. [2]

55 million years later another methane bubble ruptured causing more mass extinctions during the Late Paleocene Thermal Maximum (LPTM).

The LPTM lasted 100,000 years. [3]

Those subterranean seas of methane virtually reshaped the planet when they explosively blew from deep beneath the waters of what is today called the Gulf of Mexico.

Now, worried scientists are increasingly concerned the same series of catastrophic events that led to worldwide death back then may be happening again-and no known technology can stop it.

The bottom line: BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling operation may have triggered an irreversible, cascading geological Apocalypse that will culminate with the first mass extinction of life on Earth in many millions of years.

http://www.cheshirecatstudios.com/forum/resources/keanu-reeves-whoa/2536

[hanso]

Is there a home game for that also?

[StanUpshaw]

I have a feeling this article will be making the rounds this week. It'll build to a frenzy until we hear some more recent data. Anyway, it's a good one!

Doomsday: How BP Gulf disaster may have triggered a 'world-killing' event (http://www.helium.com/items/1882339-doomsday-how-bp-gulf-disaster-may-have-triggered-a-world-killing-event)

Yes, when I think "hard science," my mind immediately jumps to Terrence Aym over at Helium dot com.

[scottinnj]

Yes, when I think "hard science," my mind immediately jumps to Terrence Aym over at Helium dot com.

I'm not worried. I read the Book of Revelations, I know how the story ends.

[Chigworthy]

Funny, I never heard of this "methane bubble" 251 million years ago.

[scottinnj]

Funny, I never heard of this "methane bubble" 251 million years ago.

Hank Hill and Mr.Strickland are selling it with backyard grills over in Heimlich County Texas.

[A.J.]

Ominous reports are leaking past the BP Gulf salvage operation news blackout that the disaster unfolding in the Gulf of Mexico may be about to reach biblical proportions.

251 million years ago a mammoth undersea methane bubble caused massive explosions, poisoned the atmosphere and destroyed more than 96 percent of all life on Earth. [1] Experts agree that what is known as the Permian extinction event was the greatest mass extinction event in the history of the world. [2]

55 million years later another methane bubble ruptured causing more mass extinctions during the Late Paleocene Thermal Maximum (LPTM).

The LPTM lasted 100,000 years. [3]

Those subterranean seas of methane virtually reshaped the planet when they explosively blew from deep beneath the waters of what is today called the Gulf of Mexico.

Now, worried scientists are increasingly concerned the same series of catastrophic events that led to worldwide death back then may be happening again-and no known technology can stop it.

The bottom line: BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling operation may have triggered an irreversible, cascading geological Apocalypse that will culminate with the first mass extinction of life on Earth in many millions of years.

It's like God lighting His own fart...

[Furtherman]

I have a feeling this article will be making the rounds this week. It'll build to a frenzy until we hear some more recent data.

And here we are:

Methane bubble "doomsday" story debunked (http://io9.com/5585294/methane-bubble-doomsday-story-debunked)

While it's true that there are methane bubbles (and methane ice) beneath the ocean floor, they are not about to erupt from Gulf and destroy all life on Earth. This morning I spoke with two Earth scientists, Dave Valentine of UC Santa Barbara and Chris Reddy of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute, who study methane and oil seeps from the sea floor. Valentine has just been out to the Gulf to study the methane levels there, and told io9:

During our recent cruise to the Gulf we observed significantly elevated levels of methane at water depth greater than 2500 feet, in the vicinity of the Deepwater Horizon spill site. While the total quantity of methane and other hydrocarbons is enough to cause problems with the regional ecosystem, there is no plausible scenario by which this event alone will cause global-scale extinctions.

So yes, there is a methane seep. No, it will not cause tidal waves or explode.

Another fishy fact in the methane bubble doomsday story is Aym's description of how methane bubbles are what caused the End Permian mass extinction event 250 million years ago - a mass extinction that I wrote about recently, here. Many scientists do believe that atmospheric changes and ocean anoxia (de-oxygenization) were to blame for that extinction - but even Gregory Ryskin, the scientist whose highly speculative work is cited in the article, doesn't try to claim this as the sole cause, nor does he believe that one bubble of methane could bring down the biosphere instantly. The End Permian extinction took millennia to happen.

[Dude!]

yesterday, michelle obama
called on Americans
to vacation in the gulf states

the obamas will be
vacationing in maine

[Barnaby Jones]

yesterday, michelle obama
called on Americans
to vacation in the gulf states

the obamas will be
vacationing in maine

See how smart they are? What a country!

[Jujubees2]

yesterday, michelle obama
called on Americans
to vacation in the gulf states

the obamas will be
vacationing in maine

At the Bush compound?

[sailor]

No oil currently spilling according to cnbc

[Chigworthy]

No oil currently spilling according to cnbc

A couple nights ago, George Noory had a guest on who was claiming that there were numerous other compromises in the oil deposit that would "blowout" if the main line was capped successfully. How would someone go about finding that out? Some people just relish disaster. On a sidenote, that whole flaming hurricane thing would be badass.

[SatCam]

No oil currently spilling according to cnbc

a week from now we'll have forgotten this all happened

[ozzie]

a week from now we'll have forgotten this all happened

Some of us will be living with the after affects for a long, long time.

[Furtherman]

Good news, but we'll see how long it lasts.

[sailor]

a week from now we'll have forgotten this all happened

I already forget about it for weeks at a time.

[brettmojo]

A couple nights ago, George Noory had a guest on who was claiming that there were numerous other compromises in the oil deposit that would "blowout" if the main line was capped successfully. How would someone go about finding that out? Some people just relish disaster. On a sidenote, that whole flaming hurricane thing would be badass.
I don't know, this Hurricane was pretty flaming...

http://pnmedia.gamespy.com/screenshots/pwwe/52857507.jpg

Not really all that badass...

[CaptainBlowhole]

I suspect that when that asteroid that hit us 65 millions years ago, it shattered the tectonic plate. At the time, there was only one continent, and the impact could have shattered it and released oil deposits that were laid down during the Permian period, and this oil poisoned a lot of life, and as a result, a chain reaction was set in motion that wiped out the dinosaurs.
This is my theory, and I have never heard anyone say it before.

[StanUpshaw]

I suspect that when that asteroid that hit us 65 millions years ago, it shattered the tectonic plate. At the time, there was only one continent, and the impact could have shattered it and released oil deposits that were laid down during the Permian period, and this oil poisoned a lot of life, and as a result, a chain reaction was set in motion that wiped out the dinosaurs.
This is my theory, and I have never heard anyone say it before.

Will you and tanless1 be flying out to accept your Nobel prize in person, or will you just have them mail it to you?

[Dude!]

Will you and tanless1 be flying out to accept your Nobel prize in person, or will you just have them mail it to you?

he deserves one more
than obama did

[brettmojo]

http://www.bobsviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/obama-mission-accomplished.jpg

[Furtherman]

I suspect that when that asteroid that hit us 65 millions years ago, it shattered the tectonic plate. At the time, there was only one continent, and the impact could have shattered it and released oil deposits that were laid down during the Permian period, and this oil poisoned a lot of life, and as a result, a chain reaction was set in motion that wiped out the dinosaurs.
This is my theory, and I have never heard anyone say it before.

Nice theory, except there were 5 continents at the time, as they were beginning to take the shape they have today.

[hanso]

yesterday, michelle obama
called on Americans
to vacation in the gulf states

the obamas will be
vacationing in maine

They will vacation gulf side Aug. 14th

[disneyspy]

THEY SEALED THE WELL TODAY!!

take that bitches!!

[hanso]

The well will be making cinder blocks now.