Want to Save ESD? Follow him on Twitter.

[Freitag]

As we all know, Dave set a deadline today for Sirius to give him a raise or he leaves.

While people are trying to get the #SaveESD hashtag on Twitter going, I had another idea - just simply follow ESD on Twitter. Here's why:

Bill Simmons, a writer for ESPN, recently renewed his contract with the network. Sports Media blog Deadspin, in doing an analysis of Simmons' deal, brought up his 1.9 million Twitter followers. And they said this:

But the raw numbers miss a big part of Simmons's value to ESPN — which is where those 1.19 million Twitter followers come in. "How many publications would like to have that kind of readership right now?" asks Sports Business Journal's John Ourand, who notes that while Web dollars are a fraction of ESPN's overall revenues now, they're growing.

"Extrapolate 10 years down the line and you can see the Web becoming a major part of the business," Ourand says.

Twitter's admittedly a rough index, but there's no doubt that Simmons is a demographic Pied Piper for 20- and 30-somethings, as Thursday's Twitter-engineered serenade of LeBron James demonstrated. Maintaining a connection with that valuable but restless young sports audience will help ESPN chart its own future, and it reassures youth-conscious media planners that ESPN is the right partner for their ad buys.

Now, granted. Simmons has 1.9 million followers, and Dave only has 10,000. But -- consider this:

Opie has 57,000 followers.

Norton has 51,000 followers.

Anthony has 37,000 followers.

As Dave is younger and is producing content for his feed in the form of videos and other material, it's a real, tangible audience statistic to show his worth to SiriusXM. I'm not saying Dave should get 1/6th of Opie's Salary or 1/4 of Anthony's, but if he grows his audience rapidly - he can show his value.

Follow Dave!


http://www.twitter.com/eastsidedave

[Dan 'Hampton]

I like reading Deadspin too.

[Freitag]

I like reading Deadspin too.

...I don't understand your statement. I said the idea was from Deadspin.

[Sue_Bender]

...I don't understand your statement. I said the idea was from Deadspin.

It's a dismissive remark.

[Hithead]

Fuck Dave. Let him earn his money like everone else who works pumping gas or flipping burgers to support his family. Let his lazy wife get a job too.

[Penelope]

I'd jump in front of a bullet for the man.

[Dan 'Hampton]

It's a dismissive remark.

Shut it. I follow Dave, AND Bill Simmons.

[TjM]

Since I'm in a I like Dave mood today. I hope they just throw SD on 3-6. No reason to have back to back OnA replays.

[Freitag]

Fuck Dave. Let him earn his money like everone else who works pumping gas or flipping burgers to support his family. Let his lazy wife get a job too.

what about cleaning chimneys? oh wait

[TjM]

Fuck Dave. Let him earn his money like everone else who works pumping gas or flipping burgers to support his family. Let his lazy wife get a job too.

Yeah what a lazy bitch she is huh. Raising 2 kids and one of them is very ill. What a tit job eh :thumbdown:

[Freitag]

Fuck Dave. Let him earn his money like everone else who works pumping gas or flipping burgers to support his family. Let his lazy wife get a job too.

Let me expand on this for a bit.

Do you think Dave doesn't work? He wants to be paid what he's worth. I'm not even sure what kind of raise he wants, but as SiriusXM is starting to turn a profit and he is one of the six regular voices on 202 (Opie, Anthony, Jimmy, Ron, Fez, Dave) why shouldn't he be entitled to a raise, just like someone who is pumping gas gets a raise or flipping burgers?

[TjM]

Also how ever you feel about Dave leave his wife out of it

[Freitag]

Also how ever you feel about Dave leave his wife out of it

Hithead is Fred, he can't help himself.

[TjM]

Hithead is Fred, he can't help himself.

OH SNAP!

Now get the Chimney Sweep reference

[UnknownPD]

As we all know, Dave set a deadline today for Sirius to give him a raise or he leaves.

While people are trying to get the #SaveESD hashtag on Twitter going, I had another idea - just simply follow ESD on Twitter. Here's why:

Bill Simmons, a writer for ESPN, recently renewed his contract with the network. Sports Media blog Deadspin, in doing an analysis of Simmons' deal, brought up his 1.9 million Twitter followers. And they said this:



Now, granted. Simmons has 1.9 million followers, and Dave only has 10,000. But -- consider this:

Opie has 57,000 followers.

Norton has 51,000 followers.

Anthony has 37,000 followers.

As Dave is younger and is producing content for his feed in the form of videos and other material, it's a real, tangible audience statistic to show his worth to SiriusXM. I'm not saying Dave should get 1/6th of Opie's Salary or 1/4 of Anthony's, but if he grows his audience rapidly - he can show his value.

Follow Dave!


http://www.twitter.com/eastsidedave


Why not rent a plane to fly over the Hudson tailing a "Save Dave" banner

[Furtherman]

Dave follower since day one I signed up on twitter.

[TjM]

Why not rent a plane to fly over the Hudson tailing a "Save Dave" banner

That would rule!

[ShowerBench]

He wants to be paid what he's worth.

No he doesn't!

[mikeyboy]

No he doesn't!

We get it. You don't think Dave deserves a significant raise. Please move along.

[TjM]

We get it. You don't think Dave deserves a significant raise. Please move along.

I wish you were this hard on the poeple that shit on Fez

[Recyclerz]

Why not rent a plane to fly over the Hudson tailing a "Save Dave" banner
Hey! Those were simpler times and it seemed like a good idea.

[TjM]

Hey! Those were simpler times and it seemed like a good idea.

Plus they were trying to save Ferris from a Pedio

[mikeyboy]

I wish you were this hard on the poeple that shit on Fez

Hard? I don't run this place anymore. It's pretty dickish when people go out of there way to shit on Fez or Dave over and over again in the same manner.

[TripleSkeet]

I may have to finally bite the bullet and get on Twitter just to help Dave out. I cant imagine what a trainwreck the show would be without him.

[TjM]

Hard? I don't run this place anymore. It's pretty dickish when people go out of there way to shit on Fez or Dave over and over again in the same manner.

New management rule is Fez is fare game Dave is a golden god. I blame you for quitting

[underdog]

Fuck Dave. Let him earn his money like everone else who works pumping gas or flipping burgers to support his family. Let his lazy wife get a job too.

Oh, Fred. You're as clever as you are original.

[underdog]

New management rule is Fez is fare game Dave is a golden god. I blame you for quitting

You see what you want to see.

[TjM]

You see what you want to see.

Simply saying anti-Dave post seem to illicit swift action as opposed to anti-Fez post

[Fillmore Slim]

Since I'm in a I like Dave mood today. I hope they just throw SD on 3-6. No reason to have back to back OnA replays.


First replay is for east coast drive time. Second replay is for west coast drive time.

[Chigworthy]

Simply saying anti-Dave post seem to illicit swift action as opposed to anti-Fez post

That must be why Hithead is now banned.

[TjM]

That must be why Hithead is now banned.

Sure banning is the measuring stick

[Chigworthy]

First replay is for east coast drive time. Second replay is for west coast drive time.

What about the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th replay on the weekend? That's my drive time.

[RhinoinMN]

Since I'm in a I like Dave mood today. I hope they just throw SD on 3-6. No reason to have back to back OnA replays.
GINGERS UNITE!
We get it. You don't think Dave deserves a significant raise. Please move along.

You have no authority here!

[underdog]

Simply saying anti-Dave post seem to illicit swift action as opposed to anti-Fez post

Repetitious idiots on either side are called out all the time.

[TjM]

Whatever we disagree. It's not on topic so I'll drop it.

I hope sirius gives SD a slot. Also WTF can't OnA have more than one channel with all their buddies. Howard has 101 for all the offshoot shows. Why can't OnA have 201 with SD, Nick Dip, Bro Phil, hell you could even run Live from the Compound

Why can't Sam N Dave be OnA's BTLS

[Dan 'Hampton]

Don't disrespect Sam and Dave like that.

[TjM]

Don't disrespect Sam and Dave like that.

You know what I mean

[Dan 'Hampton]

I know. Bubba is such hayseed digshit. I saw a guy up here wit a bubba army sticker. Made me want to spit on it.

[TjM]

I know. Bubba is such hayseed digshit. I saw a guy up here wit a bubba army sticker. Made me want to spit on it.

I hate Bubba but he anchors 101. Why can't OnA get a secondary channel anchored by SD

[Dan 'Hampton]

When was the last common sense move Sirius made?

[TjM]

When was the last common sense move Sirius made?

Traffic channels?

[foodcourtdruide]

I never understood why 202 was 2 shows, then a bunch of replays. I wish SD and Uninformed would be included in the line-up. That would be awesome. Also, I've always thought 11-3 was a bizarre time for Ron and Fez. In my opinion, the show's always been better at night.

[foodcourtdruide]

I hate Bubba but he anchors 101. Why can't OnA get a secondary channel anchored by SD

Why do they need a secondary channel when 75% of the primary channel are replays? Just replay o&a and r&f overnight.

[Hottub]

God forbid I try and have something that resembles a normal life. I leave for a couple of hours and a nice idea turns into another anti Dave thread.

Hithead, you are nothing but a troll. Every one of your posts here is anti Dave. We get it.
See you in a week.

I'm really getting tired of the outright bashing of the members of the show. If you have a criticism, or observation that goes against the flow, that's fine. Speak your peace.
F him, or she's a C is right out.

Got it?

[TjM]

Why do they need a secondary channel when 75% of the primary channel are replays? Just replay o&a and r&f overnight.

Some kid out there could miss them being unnecessarily mean to Norm from Cheers

[Chigworthy]

God forbid I try and have something that resembles a normal life. I leave for a couple of hours and a nice idea turns into another anti Dave thread.

Hithead, you are nothing but a troll. Every one of your posts here is anti Dave. We get it.
See you in a week.

I'm really getting tired of the outright bashing of the members of the show. If you have a criticism, or observation that goes against the flow, that's fine. Speak your peace.
F him, or she's a C is right out.

Got it?

Can we say "F Hithead" or "Hithead is a C", or is that out too?

[Dan 'Hampton]

Hithead from Brooklyn sounded like shite last Friday. Maybe soot induced emphazema? One can hope.

[Penelope]

God forbid I try and have something that resembles a normal life. I leave for a couple of hours and a nice idea turns into another anti Dave thread.

Hithead, you are nothing but a troll. Every one of your posts here is anti Dave. We get it.
See you in a week.

I'm really getting tired of the outright bashing of the members of the show. If you have a criticism, or observation that goes against the flow, that's fine. Speak your peace.
F him, or she's a C is right out.

Got it?

Is it cool to hate on Lady Trucker? :furious: I don't like her at all.

[Sinestro]

This reminds me of the old Sports-guys show pledge of trying to reach 1 million listeners back in the 102.7 FM days or was it 92.3 FM days.

[ShowerBench]

We get it. You don't think Dave deserves a significant raise. Please move along.

What? I like Dave.

If we're talking about the zero-sum Fez salary vs Dave salary discussion this board fixates on, then no he doesn't deserve a significant or insignificant raise. If "worth" is the operative term here, Fez's worth is many times that of Dave since Fez on his worst day is better than Dave on his best. (Words-per-minute isn't an appropriate measure.)

But, since Ron and Fez is the only reason I subscribe to Sirius/XM, I'd think it'd be just fine if they fired everyone at every other channel, combined those salaries, and divided it all up between Ron, Fez, Dave, and Hicks - at the same relative proportions they're paid now.

[albacore]

If "worth" is the operative term here, Fez's worth is many times that of Dave since Fez on his worst day is better than Dave on his best. (Words-per-minute isn't an appropriate measure.)



Tears and sobbing aren't worth much to me.
Someone trying to make me laugh and doing a good job at it are worth a lot more.

[underdog]

What? I like Dave.

If we're talking about the zero-sum Fez salary vs Dave salary discussion this board fixates on, then no he doesn't deserve a significant or insignificant raise. If "worth" is the operative term here, Fez's worth is many times that of Dave since Fez on his worst day is better than Dave on his best. (Words-per-minute isn't an appropriate measure.)

But, since Ron and Fez is the only reason I subscribe to Sirius/XM, I'd think it'd be just fine if they fired everyone at every other channel, combined those salaries, and divided it all up between Ron, Fez, Dave, and Hicks - at the same relative proportions they're paid now.

This thread was about getting Dave a raise. Stop dragging your fucking agenda into every post, female Fred.

[ShowerBench]

This thread was about getting Dave a raise. Stop dragging your fucking agenda into every post, female Fred.

I know but Mikeboy asserted that I don't think Dave "deserves" a raise so I responded that this wasn't exactly true, and clarified things. What's my agenda?

Female Fred..lol

[disneyspy]

female fred was an awesome line

[zildjian361]

Also how ever you feel about Dave leave his wife out of it

Excatly. im gonna try to twitter ESD.:smoke::drunk:

[Dell]

I question a "movement" as a way to get Dave a raise...little Jimmy finally got paid for being third mic on O&A and there was no movement...I believe it took O&A going to the suits for it (much like R&F are doing for Dave)...

Dave's problem is that he excels at third mic in this format and struggles on his own (unlike Norton who had his standup)...I hope that Dave can afford to wait for his payday...I hope and think it's coming...

oh...and I will not do a twitter-anything...:wink:

[Dirtbag]

What? I like Dave.

If we're talking about the zero-sum Fez salary vs Dave salary discussion this board fixates on, then no he doesn't deserve a significant or insignificant raise. If "worth" is the operative term here, Fez's worth is many times that of Dave since Fez on his worst day is better than Dave on his best. (Words-per-minute isn't an appropriate measure.)

But, since Ron and Fez is the only reason I subscribe to Sirius/XM, I'd think it'd be just fine if they fired everyone at every other channel, combined those salaries, and divided it all up between Ron, Fez, Dave, and Hicks - at the same relative proportions they're paid now.
If anyone wasn't already convinced you're a character that did it.

[TripleSkeet]

If "worth" is the operative term here, Fez's worth is many times that of Dave since Fez on his worst day is better than Dave on his best.

Thats one of the funniest things Ive ever read. I dont wanna go off topic, but last week I kept track in a Paltalk room and Fez went 27 minutes straight without saying a word.

Regardless, Id love to see Dave stay. Dont know if this will help but I do hope it does.

[danlaroe]

Thats one of the funniest things Ive ever read. I dont wanna go off topic, but last week I kept track in a Paltalk room and Fez went 27 minutes straight without saying a word.

Regardless, Id love to see Dave stay. Dont know if this will help but I do hope it does.

you may have read the funniest thing ever but then you posted the most pathetic thing ever. kept track in a paltalk room. holy fucking get a life

i kid i kid

who is fred from brooklyn. who is he to say some crass shit like that about daves wife.

[Tenbatsuzen]

This reminds me of the old Sports-guys show pledge of trying to reach 1 million listeners back in the 102.7 FM days or was it 92.3 FM days.

look at the hind

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

What? I like Dave.

If we're talking about the zero-sum Fez salary vs Dave salary discussion this board fixates on, then no he doesn't deserve a significant or insignificant raise. If "worth" is the operative term here, Fez's worth is many times that of Dave since Fez on his worst day is better than Dave on his best. (Words-per-minute isn't an appropriate measure.)

But, since Ron and Fez is the only reason I subscribe to Sirius/XM, I'd think it'd be just fine if they fired everyone at every other channel, combined those salaries, and divided it all up between Ron, Fez, Dave, and Hicks - at the same relative proportions they're paid now.

Dude we get it!!!! How many times can one man repeat himself?

[Dell]

Dude we get it!!!! How many times can one man repeat himself?

I fear we are still at the tip of the iceberg regarding this...damn the show mentions!!!

[Meataball23]

Showerbench is hysterical. I feel like I finally get it. Its like SPR and the westboro baptist church. Your not supposed to listen to what they say youre supposed to laugh at them.

Working in finance I can speak from personal experience about the complete undeserving douchebags who regularly get promoted/bonuses/raises and can say with complete certainty that ESD deserves a significant raise. For the work of the past year alone he should probably switch with Fez. And I dont mean that as a dig at all, I mean it as a loyal listener.

[Meataball23]

Specifically, if I worked in trade support and for over a year my boss was "off" and 90% of the time "having a bad day" or "working through things" and in his stead, I was doing trades to keep the desk going I would absolutely demand more money than I was getting for support.

[TripleSkeet]

who is fred from brooklyn. who is he to say some crass shit like that about daves wife.

Hes a homoerotic chimney sweep that holds a podcast twice a week for 10 people from which he spouts off on all topics woman hating from his sons bedroom.

Wow when you say it like that it almost sounds too ridiculous to be true.

[Marc with a c]

why doesn't casey just tell sirius/xm to give dave a raise?

[STC-Dub]

I already do. I just hope he has something else lined up because Sirius/XM does not seem to interested in paying anyone except for celebrities who they think will get them more subscribers. Everyone who knows who Dave is I most likely already a subscriber. Maybe they will shock me, but I doubt it.

[Captain Geech]

Want to Save ESD?

no


Soundboard with "fuckin and suckin" "I never heard of that" and random movie references is free and just as entertaining.

CUMSIES!!!!!

[Dell]

I already do. I just hope he has something else lined up because Sirius/XM does not seem to interested in paying anyone except for celebrities who they think will get them more subscribers. Everyone who knows who Dave is I most likely already a subscriber. Maybe they will shock me, but I doubt it.

I subscribe (3 times over) because of R&F...ESD is a key part of R&F...I think it is ridiculous that ESD needs to find another venue to get paid...pay the man his money (imagine the rounder's accent)...pay the man his money...

[PapaBear]

ESD is one of the only people I follow at all. It's worth it for the Twideos alone.

[Dell]

ESD is one of the only people I follow at all. It's worth it for the Twideos alone.

no need to out yourself there PapaBear...you can support Dave without admitting that you twitter...

[STC-Dub]

I subscribe (3 times over) because of R&F...ESD is a key part of R&F...I think it is ridiculous that ESD needs to find another venue to get paid...pay the man his money (imagine the rounder's accent)...pay the man his money...

I agree and think Dave should get a raise. I just have my doubts that it will happen.

[PapaBear]

no need to out yourself there PapaBear...you can support Dave without admitting that you twitter...
I think I've sent one tweet since I've had it. I just follow Dave, the show, and Woot.

[paulisded]

With the decline of O&A, the only reason I have XM is for R&F. Subtract Dave from that show and I'll definitely have no choice but to cancel. I have enough music on my ipods to last me forever.

[Space Edge]

Whatever we disagree. It's not on topic so I'll drop it.

I hope sirius gives SD a slot. Also WTF can't OnA have more than one channel with all their buddies. Howard has 101 for all the offshoot shows. Why can't OnA have 201 with SD, Nick Dip, Bro Phil, hell you could even run Live from the Compound

Why can't Sam N Dave be OnA's BTLS

I don't think they could handle a second channel they don't do well with programing 202, example the endless O&A countdown loop that airs on the weekend. All those other shows that used to be on 202 want to get paid to be there, and Sirius doesn't want to pay them.

[ShowerBench]

Working in finance I can speak from personal experience about the complete undeserving douchebags who regularly get promoted/bonuses/raises and can say with complete certainty that ESD deserves a significant raise. For the work of the past year alone he should probably switch with Fez. And I dont mean that as a dig at all, I mean it as a loyal listener.

If most young guys with aspirations to become an on-air personality were offered a producer job on the best show in radio, and subsequently, within a few short years, offered more mic time than they would have ever imagined when joining the show - they would not only not believe their luck but be willing to give back half of their measly salary if it meant keeping the position.

They'd be kissing the rings of the two hosts who made it possible, not calling them cocksuckers and "accusing" them of missing work days because they would know there were dozens of other guys licking their chops for the same opportunity.

Big corporate fat cat radio execs probably know this, and who can blame them if they make their calculations accordingly?

[underdog]

If most young guys with aspirations to become an on-air personality were offered a producer job on the best show in radio, and subsequently, within a few short years, offered more mic time than they would have ever imagined when joining the show - they would not only not believe their luck but be willing to give back half of their measly salary if it meant keeping the position.

They'd be kissing the rings of the two hosts who made it possible, not calling them cocksuckers and "accusing" them of missing work days because they would know there were dozens of other guys licking their chops for the same opportunity.

Big corporate fat cat radio execs probably know this, and who can blame them if they make their calculations accordingly?

Oh female fred, you're hilarious.

[ChrisBrown]

I miss the Gvac board characters like Angry Asian Guy or Compliment Guy. Whoever is behind Showerbench could learn a thing or two.

[Hottub]

If most young guys with aspirations to become an on-air personality were offered a producer job on the best show in radio, and subsequently, within a few short years, offered more mic time than they would have ever imagined when joining the show - they would not only not believe their luck but be willing to give back half of their measly salary if it meant keeping the position.

They'd be kissing the rings of the two hosts who made it possible, not calling them cocksuckers and "accusing" them of missing work days because they would know there were dozens of other guys licking their chops for the same opportunity.

Big corporate fat cat radio execs probably know this, and who can blame them if they make their calculations accordingly?

You are so "inside" in the satellite radio biz. Brilliant observations. We thank you so much.

[ChrisBrown]

I wish Hithead would start a thread about how misunderstood he is and how he really isn't a pathetic chimney sweeping douche.

[indymike]

For goodness sakes - if you hate twitter but want to support dave, can it hurt to sign up a twitter account with some spam email account (don't we all have one or two at this point?) - then follow ESD and never log into twitter again ;)

Click here and join to follow him http://twitter.com/eastsidedave

[Dell]

If most young guys with aspirations to become an on-air personality were offered a producer job on the best show in radio, and subsequently, within a few short years, offered more mic time than they would have ever imagined when joining the show - they would not only not believe their luck but be willing to give back half of their measly salary if it meant keeping the position.

They'd be kissing the rings of the two hosts who made it possible, not calling them cocksuckers and "accusing" them of missing work days because they would know there were dozens of other guys licking their chops for the same opportunity.

Big corporate fat cat radio execs probably know this, and who can blame them if they make their calculations accordingly?

give it a break...even Rube knows when to throttle back...

[ShowerBench]

You are so "inside" in the satellite radio biz. Brilliant observations. We thank you so much.

It's neither inside nor peculiar to the satellite radio biz. Get the most out of an employee while sacrificing as little $ as possible without compromising the product/service. Nobody really deserves to be the exception to these rules - even ESD, believe it or not.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Bench, let me ask you a question.

The whole point of this thread is to get dave a raise. Not threaten Fez's position. Simply giving him a little more money to be comfortable with.

why are you opposed to that?

[Tenbatsuzen]

It's neither inside nor peculiar to the satellite radio biz. Get the most out of an employee while sacrificing as little $ as possible without compromising the product/service. Nobody really deserves to be the exception to these rules - even ESD, believe it or not.

Bullshit. I can bust out plenty of data that companies say how they want to retain the best talent and compensate them well.

[ShowerBench]

give it a break...even Rube knows when to throttle back...

Usually a discussion board operates and thrives on the premise that it's usually better if posters respond to other posters instead of ignoring them. I am just trying to do my part.

[Sue_Bender]

Usually a discussion board operates and thrives on the premise that it's usually better if posters respond to other posters instead of ignoring them. I am just trying to do my part.

The problem is that you've amassed about 1,000 identical posts.

[ChrisBrown]

Lay off Showerbench. She is only doing her part.

[PapaBear]

The problem is that you've amassed about 1,000 identical posts.
That would have to be the next post.

[ShowerBench]

Bench, let me ask you a question.

The whole point of this thread is to get dave a raise. Not threaten Fez's position. Simply giving him a little more money to be comfortable with.

why are you opposed to that?

Like I said, it would be great if Sirius would cut costs elsewhere and make Dave and Hicks wealthy. Both are worth more than most of the other channels' on-air personalities.

I also addressed the common theme here (I didn't invent it) that when the question involves the salaries of Fez vs Dave, I see no justification there for the idea that Dave "deserves" one cent of Fez's salary.

Finally, I defended the calculus that any exec would consider if they thought Dave were replaceable and others doing his job do it for next to nothing, both of which I think are true.

Dave's Twideos are hilarious. Doug and Kenneth never gets old. All in all I like a lot of what Dave does.

[ChrisBrown]

Well put, Showerbench.

[Dell]

Usually a discussion board operates and thrives on the premise that it's usually better if posters respond to other posters instead of ignoring them. I am just trying to do my part.

bad premise...making a unique or intriguing point is the way a discussion board thrives...repeating the same thing over and over to every poster, regardless their point, is just monotonous...and some may say ponderous...

[Sue_Bender]

bad premise...making a unique or intriguing point is the way a discussion board thrives...repeating the same thing over and over to every poster, regardless their point, is just monotonous...and some may say ponderous...

Ponderous.

[ChrisBrown]

If Showerbench doesn't stick up for Fez, who will? I find her defense of him reasonable and articulate. Well done, Ms. Bench.

[dereckfishboy]

If Showerbench doesn't stick up for Fez, who will? I find her defense of him reasonable and articulate. Well done, Ms. Bench.

You sound like Showerbench's Showerbench

[brettmojo]

Usually a discussion board operates and thrives on the premise that it's usually better if posters respond to other posters instead of ignoring them. I am just trying to do my part.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l2jaouHrrA1qztjn5o1_500.gif

[ChrisBrown]

You sound like Showerbench's Showerbench

I just like the cut of her jib

[Hottub]

Get your own bit.

[K.C.]

Dave is the only one that gives a fuck about making the show fun, and honestly the only real reason I even listen at this point.

I could say fairly certainly, that there's very little reason for me to ever tune in a Dave-less show.

I don't care about RBI or Unmasked, or what's the haps on 202 friends, or a daily briefing on gay rights issues, bullshit quasi-scientific studies on irrelevant topics, what's listed on the AOL entertainment front page, or the same recycled movie and music discussions we've been hearing for five years at this point (we get it...Ron too cool for the room on every topic, Fez has no frame of reference, and we're suppose to believe Hicks is the hipster poster boy).

Dave's the only one that takes chances on the air (and sometimes when he fails spectacularly, that's the best part), because he wants to try and entertain the audience.

When you listen to that show, you get the sense that Dave cares and has a passion for it...you don't get the same sense from anyone else on that show anymore (I'm sure Hicks does, but he's got to handle production so he doesn't get as much airtime).

[dereckfishboy]

Well when the show finally finishes going through it's death throes and dies it's tragic death, I hope Dave starts a podcast.

[Melk]

Good luck to Dave.

I hope, above all else, he is able to take care of his family. If he can do it on "The Ron and Fez Show" at a reasonable salary, even better.

[Meataball23]

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I just like the cut of her jib

Whats a jib?

[disgruntledsherpa]

If most young guys with aspirations to become an on-air personality were offered a producer job on the best show in radio, and subsequently, within a few short years, offered more mic time than they would have ever imagined when joining the show - they would not only not believe their luck but be willing to give back half of their measly salary if it meant keeping the position.

They'd be kissing the rings of the two hosts who made it possible, not calling them cocksuckers and "accusing" them of missing work days because they would know there were dozens of other guys licking their chops for the same opportunity.

Big corporate fat cat radio execs probably know this, and who can blame them if they make their calculations accordingly?

you're 100% right.

Also, and we all know its a hot button issue, Fez offered to set Dave up by paying for the kids' daycare so Dave's household would become a two income household. And Dave's response? Calling his boss a cocksucker. And then going to execs and then--alledgedly--asking for them to cut Fez's salary in order to get him a raise.

[TripleSkeet]

you're 100% right.

Also, and we all know its a hot button issue, Fez offered to set Dave up by paying for the kids' daycare so Dave's household would become a two income household. And Dave's response? Calling his boss a cocksucker. And then going to execs and then--alledgedly--asking for them to cut Fez's salary in order to get him a raise.

Anyone with a chronically ill baby (or children in general) knows there was no way that offer couldve been accepted. And its possible it was given knowing that full well. So please dont even go there.


Dave's the only one that takes chances on the air (and sometimes when he fails spectacularly, that's the best part), because he wants to try and entertain the audience.

When you listen to that show, you get the sense that Dave cares and has a passion for it...you don't get the same sense from anyone else on that show anymore (I'm sure Hicks does, but he's got to handle production so he doesn't get as much airtime).

Brilliantly put.

[Melk]

Also, and we all know its a hot button issue, Fez offered to set Dave up by paying for the kids' daycare so Dave's household would become a two income household. And Dave's response? Calling his boss a cocksucker. And then going to execs and then--alledgedly--asking for them to cut Fez's salary in order to get him a raise.
I believe that, for all the alterior motives Fez had in offering Dave the daycare money, Fez offered Dave daycare money out of kindness.

I can understand Dave getting upset about the offer, but he was foolish to blow up on Fez like he did.

As much as I like Dave and Fez, I don't believe that either of them are doing the hard work necessary to solve their problems.

I don't think that Dave would ask the suits tocut Fez's pay to give him a raise. If he did, he is a worse rat than Whatley.

[TjM]

then--alledgedly--asking for them to cut Fez's salary in order to get him a raise.

Wait.

He did that? :blink:

[mikeyboy]

Wait.

He did that? :blink:

I have not heard that. I'm not sure where people are getting that. Showerbench is the first to bring it up, I believe.

[underdog]

I have not heard that. I'm not sure where people are getting that. Showerbench is the first to bring it up, I believe.

They said allegedly, which means they can say whatever they want.

[Chigworthy]

you're 100% right.

Also, and we all know its a hot button issue, Fez offered to set Dave up by paying for the kids' daycare so Dave's household would become a two income household. And Dave's response? Calling his boss a cocksucker.

The cocksucker thing was a different incident. Allegedly, you have no idea what you're talking about.

[n0thng2bdone]

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[TjM]

They said allegedly, which means they can say whatever they want.

That has a crock. I'm not even sure Ron would have been cool with a move like that

[indymike]

Whats a jib?

Nautical term, a sail on the front of some sailboats.

[underdog]

Nautical term, a sail on the front of some sailboats.

You mean on a schooner.

[TjM]

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Whats a jib?

Canadian Meth

[Chigworthy]

Whats a jib?

It's what my Grandpa used to call RUN D.M.C. when I was a kid.

[Sofa_King]

I just can't see how people can think Fez contributes more than Dave at this point. I can understand if you don't like Dave cuz he's kind of a doofus and goes for cheap jokes sometimes - AT LEAST HE GOES FOR JOKES. Isn't it obvious that Ron prefers interacting with Dave and I'd even say Hicks over Fez. I've listened since .com days and all due respect for Fez but all he seems to provide at this point is fodder for Ron and Dave, besides all his beloved "studies" and "news reports" which would be boring as shit without Ron running with them. And this isn't just based on "words-per-minute" although since it is a radio show I don't see how you can excuse a host who literally sits out of HALF the discussions and ALL the interviews. love ya, dave.

[Freitag]

you're 100% right.

Also, and we all know its a hot button issue, Fez offered to set Dave up by paying for the kids' daycare so Dave's household would become a two income household.

As stated before, Stan is an ill child who would have a hard time getting into a daycare from a liability and insurance standpoint. Also, because of Stan's issues, Casey does not want him outside of the family's watch in case there's an issue. So Casey really can't get a job with Dave's hours. he works six days a week, one of them for free.

[UnknownPD]

As stated before, Stan is an ill child who would have a hard time getting into a daycare from a liability and insurance standpoint. Also, because of Stan's issues, Casey does not want him outside of the family's watch in case there's an issue. So Casey really can't get a job with Dave's hours. he works six days a week, one of them for free.

1) It's not Sirius' problem. I love Dave and his work, but Sirius should not be forced to raise his salary because of the choices he made. Do we really want a world where you're paid by the circumstances you place yourself in and not your value to the organization. You get less because you have fewer problems than the guy in the next cube?

2) I hope Dave gets a raise. I think he deserves it and would hate to see him leave, but the notion that following him on twitter or writing letters to Mel or even flying planes over the Hudson is going to make Sirius move one way or the other is silly. Now if you could organize hundreds or thousands of subscribers to cancel because of Dave then the company might listen, but short of affecting their wallet is a waste.

[spainlinx0]

The daycare thing was stupid. Offer the cash. If he wants to pay for daycare with it, if the option was available, so be it.

[foodcourtdruide]

1) It's not Sirius' problem. I love Dave and his work, but Sirius should not be forced to raise his salary because of the choices he made. Do we really want a world where you're paid by the circumstances you place yourself in and not your value to the organization. You get less because you have fewer problems than the guy in the next cube?



I agree with this 100%. I HATE this type of mentality. "I had kids, so I deserve more money." Having children was a decision you made, and I'm happy to pay taxes so all children can be ensured a certain standard of living. However, I find it absurd to increase someone's base pay based on their family situation.

[foodcourtdruide]

The daycare thing was stupid. Offer the cash. If he wants to pay for daycare with it, if the option was available, so be it.

Clearly Fez thinks Dave is financially irresponsible.

[YourAmishDaddy]

Fine. He gets a raise. On the condition he never mentions Guns N Roses, Steven Spielberg or George Lucas ever again.

[UnknownPD]

I agree with this 100%. I HATE this type of mentality. "I had kids, so I deserve more money." Having children was a decision you made, and I'm happy to pay taxes so all children can be ensured a certain standard of living. However, I find it absurd to increase someone's base pay based on their family situation.

I think it's "assured" a certain standard.

BTW...I want Dave to get a raise. He's worked for it and deserves it. I just think that "family situation" is not a good bargaining tool.

[underdog]

I think it's "assured" a certain standard.

BTW...I want Dave to get a raise. He's worked for it and deserves it. I just think that "family situation" is not a good bargaining tool.

I absolutely agree.

[Kevin]

Just look at what simular people in his position get and pay him accordingly.

[disneyspy]

if you want to help dave type the word 'sirius',they look for that in tweets(trends)

[Lady Resin]

Don't forget the hashmark #sirius otherwise they won't read it.

[disneyspy]

Don't forget the hashmark #sirius otherwise they won't read it.

SHIT! i need to tweet again and so do the others i got the idea from

[Space Edge]

Don't forget the hashmark #sirius otherwise they won't read it.

SHIT! i need to tweet again and so do the others i got the idea from

The hash mark won't matter they can search Sirius and #Sirius and get the same results (so far not a lot of tweets about dave)

http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23Sirius
http://search.twitter.com/search?q=Sirius

[disneyspy]

The hash mark won't matter they can search Sirius and #Sirius and get the same results (so far not a lot of tweets about dave)

http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23Sirius
http://search.twitter.com/search?q=Sirius

thats pretty cool,how did you find that?

[Space Edge]

thats pretty cool,how did you find that?

http://search.twitter.com/

[Freitag]

1) It's not Sirius' problem. I love Dave and his work, but Sirius should not be forced to raise his salary because of the choices he made. Do we really want a world where you're paid by the circumstances you place yourself in and not your value to the organization. You get less because you have fewer problems than the guy in the next cube?

2) I hope Dave gets a raise. I think he deserves it and would hate to see him leave, but the notion that following him on twitter or writing letters to Mel or even flying planes over the Hudson is going to make Sirius move one way or the other is silly. Now if you could organize hundreds or thousands of subscribers to cancel because of Dave then the company might listen, but short of affecting their wallet is a waste.

In regards to point 1, I never said Dave having kids is a reason why he should get a raise. I was bringing this up because someone else was talking about Dave's refusal of Fez's money for day care and why Casey can't get a job.

In regards to point 2, do we REALLY need more people smashing their radios like we had in May 2007?

[Freitag]

The daycare thing was stupid. Offer the cash. If he wants to pay for daycare with it, if the option was available, so be it.

THIS.

Fez was offering 24,000 a year to Dave. There shouldn't be a string attached that Casey has to get a job, that was part of Fez's issues.

[mikeyboy]

In regards to point 1, I never said Dave having kids is a reason why he should get a raise. I was bringing this up because someone else was talking about Dave's refusal of Fez's money for day care and why Casey can't get a job.

In regards to point 2, do we REALLY need more people smashing their radios like we had in May 2007?

So we're mailing broken phones? :)

[Freitag]

So we're mailing broken phones? :)

(GIF of some jerk punching a MiFi in pain)



that old gag

[TripleSkeet]

1) It's not Sirius' problem. I love Dave and his work, but Sirius should not be forced to raise his salary because of the choices he made. Do we really want a world where you're paid by the circumstances you place yourself in and not your value to the organization. You get less because you have fewer problems than the guy in the next cube?

2) I hope Dave gets a raise. I think he deserves it and would hate to see him leave, but the notion that following him on twitter or writing letters to Mel or even flying planes over the Hudson is going to make Sirius move one way or the other is silly. Now if you could organize hundreds or thousands of subscribers to cancel because of Dave then the company might listen, but short of affecting their wallet is a waste.

Ok Im not attacking you, I just dont get the statement. In one sentence you say Daves situation isnt Sirus' problem, basically making the argument against him getting a raise, then in the next paragraph you say he deserves it. Which is it?

If he deserves the raise because of his work his family situation is a moot point. But lets not pretend that doesnt play a part when raises are given in the workplace. Ive been working since I was 15 and its been like that every place Ive gone. Age, marital status and children helped determine how much people were paid, what days they were allowed off, etc. Was it fair? No. But as a single guy I understood it and now as a married guy with kids my co-workers get it too.

I mean if my employers want my services, they have to pay me enough to survive. It takes more for me then say, a single 22 year old because Im married with kids and a mortgage. So yea my employers are going to pay me more because I need it and they want me. Thats the capitalism that people on here love to defend.

My only problem is I never trust a corporate suit to make a right decision or even a smart one. Corporate execs can take the most brilliant concept on Earth and turn it to dogshit within hours.

[underdog]

If he deserves the raise because of his work his family situation is a moot point. But lets not pretend that doesnt play a part when raises are given in the workplace. Ive been working since I was 15 and its been like that every place Ive gone. Age, marital status and children helped determine how much people were paid, what days they were allowed off, etc. Was it fair? No. But as a single guy I understood it and now as a married guy with kids my co-workers get it too.

I mean if my employers want my services, they have to pay me enough to survive. It takes more for me then say, a single 22 year old because Im married with kids and a mortgage. So yea my employers are going to pay me more because I need it and they want me. Thats the capitalism that people on here love to defend.

My only problem is I never trust a corporate suit to make a right decision or even a smart one. Corporate execs can take the most brilliant concept on Earth and turn it to dogshit within hours.

This is the craziest shit I've ever heard. Maybe favorable hours, but a different salary? I've never heard of this in my life. In most jobs, if the salary isn't enough for you, they'll find someone else. They're not going to give you more money because you have children.

[UnknownPD]

In regards to point 1, I never said Dave having kids is a reason why he should get a raise. I was bringing this up because someone else was talking about Dave's refusal of Fez's money for day care and why Casey can't get a job.

In regards to point 2, do we REALLY need more people smashing their radios like we had in May 2007?

You smashed your radio in 2007? Sounds like another failed radio bit...

[indymike]

1) It's not Sirius' problem. I love Dave and his work, but Sirius should not be forced to raise his salary because of the choices he made.

I agree with this 100%. I HATE this type of mentality. "I had kids, so I deserve more money."

They're not going to give you more money because you have children.

I don't think Dave is asking for more money because he had kids. I think Dave is saying he HAS to have a higher income at this point to live where he lives and to support his family.

He agreed to the salary he currently gets when he was single, his situation has changed, I think most here would agree he also does a HELL of a lot more @ Xm/Sirius than he did when he joined as an employee.

I believe, and I can only go on what I have heard on the air, that Dave pretty much said he has a LOT more responsibility - I am sure (but have no proof) that when Earl left they didn't give Dave a raise even though they never really filled the position.

Its not a 'whoa is me, I deserve more money since I have kids' - he just can't afford to work for them at his current pay given his situation. He has asked for more and, if Ron is to be believed, has given a deadline for his request to be met or he will leave the show.

Just look at what simular people in his position get and pay him accordingly.

Who is in a similar situation as him? Is his position the same as Steve? Erock? Any other O&A staffer (did someone say they all make more than Dave?).

Or does he do more than those people since he seems to spend a large amount of the four hour show sitting in studio with Ron while Fez waits for the next live read?

[underdog]

I don't think Dave is asking for more money because he had kids. I think Dave is saying he HAS to have a higher income at this point to live where he lives and to support his family.

I wasn't really directing it towards Dave. Just in general.

[indymike]

I wasn't really directing it towards Dave. Just in general.

I didn't think everyone was - but others reading might end up reading it that way and then a week later it has become a 'fact' ;)

[TripleSkeet]

This is the craziest shit I've ever heard. Maybe favorable hours, but a different salary? I've never heard of this in my life. In most jobs, if the salary isn't enough for you, they'll find someone else. They're not going to give you more money because you have children.

If youve ever worked at a place that told their employees not to tell each other what they make, youve been a part of it. Ive seen it happen plenty of times where people that are married or have kids start out at a higher pay then they would a single guy. It happens in companies everywhere. They dont just come out and say "You dont have kids so you are going to be paid less" but its a factor considered when people request a certain salary when being hired or when asking for a raise. Believe it.

[underdog]

If youve ever worked at a place that told their employees not to tell each other what they make, youve been a part of it. Ive seen it happen plenty of times where people that are married or have kids start out at a higher pay then they would a single guy. It happens in companies everywhere. They dont just come out and say "You dont have kids so you are going to be paid less" but its a factor considered when people request a certain salary when being hired or when asking for a raise. Believe it.

I'm the one giving the raises. It's never even been considered anywhere I've worked.

In fact, if I could discriminate against people with children, I would. I never hear "I can't come in today, my cat has to go to the doctors" from single people. Parents are the worst workers ever. They always have some sort of excuse for why they can't do their job or their performance is slipping.

[angrymissy]

If youve ever worked at a place that told their employees not to tell each other what they make, youve been a part of it. Ive seen it happen plenty of times where people that are married or have kids start out at a higher pay then they would a single guy. It happens in companies everywhere. They dont just come out and say "You dont have kids so you are going to be paid less" but its a factor considered when people request a certain salary when being hired or when asking for a raise. Believe it.

I asked for a list of hire dates at my job for the people I support (60+ people), and the HR guy accidentally sent me a spreadsheet with EVERYONES personal info and salary.

You wouldn't believe the disparity.

[TripleSkeet]

I'm the one giving the raises. It's never even been considered anywhere I've worked.

In fact, if I could discriminate against people with children, I would. I never hear "I can't come in today, my cat has to go to the doctors" from single people. Parents are the worst workers ever. They always have some sort of excuse for why they can't do their job or their performance is slipping.

Ive been the one giving raises too. And Ive been friends with managers in jobs from all walks of life. Ive seen plenty of times when certain guys make more then others, and when asked Id simply be told "That guys got 2 kids at home he needs to feed. The other guy is 22 and lives with his parents." Like I said it may not be fair, but its understandable.

Id be one of those guys you hate. 1 of my jobs is union. We get 7 unexcused absences a year and I tell them exactly when Im taking them and why. Sorry, but your business isnt going to collapse if I take off on Easter or my sons birthday. Im not going to miss occasions like that to work. Fuck that. I know my bosses dont like it but the bottom line is thats the union contract and as long as I play by the rules they cant do anything.

That being said when I am there Im very good at my job and do the work of what was once the job of 2 people. So in the long run they are still saving money by keeping me.

[TripleSkeet]

I asked for a list of hire dates at my job for the people I support (60+ people), and the HR guy accidentally sent me a spreadsheet with EVERYONES personal info and salary.

You wouldn't believe the disparity.

Sure I would. LOL That was my point!

[angrymissy]

I'm the one giving the raises. It's never even been considered anywhere I've worked.

In fact, if I could discriminate against people with children, I would. I never hear "I can't come in today, my cat has to go to the doctors" from single people. Parents are the worst workers ever. They always have some sort of excuse for why they can't do their job or their performance is slipping.

I'm an assistant, but I work really closely with high level mgmt and sit in on all their meetings. They discuss each one of their directs and children/marriage/family is always brought in as a factor when it comes to raise/location/accommodations.

[underdog]

Id be one of those guys you hate. 1 of my jobs is union. We get 7 unexcused absences a year and I tell them exactly when Im taking them and why. Sorry, but your business isnt going to collapse if I take off on Easter or my sons birthday. Im not going to miss occasions like that to work. Fuck that. I know my bosses dont like it but the bottom line is thats the union contract and as long as I play by the rules they cant do anything.

I have no problem with people taking scheduled days off. I take 4 weeks of vacation a year. If it's planned, I have no problem.

Sure I would. LOL That was my point!

I understand there are disparities, I just don't think they're based on the number of children very often.

[foodcourtdruide]

I'm an assistant, but I work really closely with high level mgmt and sit in on all their meetings. They discuss each one of their directs and children/marriage/family is always brought in as a factor when it comes to raise/location/accommodations.

That's really bad business practice, both ethically and practically.

[angrymissy]

That's really bad business practice, both ethically and practically.

Yup. Some of the stuff discussed is probably kind of illegal too. I work for a Fortune 500 corp. Working in sales is pretty brutal.

[JPMNICK]

That's really bad business practice, both ethically and practically.

i agree that is terrible

[angrymissy]

I was INCREDIBLY uncomfortable the first time I heard it discussed. But they have to go over each direct at least 1x year. And they go in depth.

It goes both ways too, I've seen people passed over for promotions simply because they have young kids.

You wouldn't believe the shit that goes on behind the scenes at big corps. When I worked for a giant recruiting firm, the manager once told me that a highly qualified applicant was too fat for me to send on a temp job to a certain company (I sent her anyway and she's still working there now). I was told not to send black people on a temp job working at Tommy Hilfiger (kids in a candy store they said). Every large company I've worked for has this awfulness in some way, shape or form.

[Punchy368]

I may not like Colin Quinn but I love and support East Side Dave!!!!



Colin sucks!!!!

[DOHO@HOME]

Dave is fun to hear on the show but he does not know when to shut the fuck up.
If he was asking me for a raise and then I had heard from a source that he was saying how much i was fucking him over he would be fired.
Shut the fuck up and wait to hear from management Dave!:wallbash:

[TjM]

Viva La Ginger!

[underdog]

I'm an assistant, but I work really closely with high level mgmt and sit in on all their meetings. They discuss each one of their directs and children/marriage/family is always brought in as a factor when it comes to raise/location/accommodations.

I thought about it more, and you guys are probably right. I have no children, so it never comes up when I discuss giving someone a raise. Someone with children would probably think about it when discussing a raise.

[angrymissy]

You have to be persistent to get what you want.

I got myself a raise 2 years after I started with my current company. It took 4 months of negotiating, prodding, reminding and getting my boss to help.

Dave is fun to hear on the show but he does not know when to shut the fuck up.
If he was asking me for a raise and then I had heard from a source that he was saying how much i was fucking him over he would be fired.
Shut the fuck up and wait to hear from management Dave!:wallbash:

[TjM]

Dave needs someone to coach him on negotiating. Making fun of the bosses voice on air is probably not the best tactic

[angrymissy]

In a regular job, sure.

Dave's job is to be funny on air. There is a little more leeway there than there is in a regular job.

Dave needs someone to coach him on negotiating. Making fun of the bosses voice on air is probably not the best tactic

[TjM]

In a regular job, sure.

Dave's job is to be funny on air. There is a little more leeway there than there is in a regular job.
You could be right. It's just execs with a little power have over inflated egos. I can see one of them trying to "throw their weight around" because of a percieved insult

[TjM]

Although if he locks himself in the studio for 24 hours we will know it's a bit :laugh:

[UnknownPD]

You have to be persistent to get what you want.

I got myself a raise 2 years after I started with my current company. It took 4 months of negotiating, prodding, reminding and getting my boss to help.

I started my own business years ago because I was in sales @ a Fortune 500 company. Reading your post makes me remember just how awful these people were. We had one woman hardest worker in the world and due for a promotion when an AVP said to me... "I'm not giving her a promotion. We'll do it and she'll be married & pregnant in six months".

[underdog]

In a regular job, sure.

Dave's job is to be funny on air. There is a little more leeway there than there is in a regular job.

(this isn't at you TjM)

I hate when people say shit like, "if I did that at my job, I'd be fired" when they talk about Dave's actions with Fez. Dave doesn't work a "real" job and it's all on the air. It's much different than walking into the office and calling your boss a cocksucker.

[TripleSkeet]

i agree that is terrible

I cant believe how many people are surprised by that. If you want to keep certain employees you have to make sure you are paying them what they need to survive. Simple economics says that a person who is married and has children and a mortgage is going to need more money then a single younger guy that rents. Sure the younger guy would take more money if offfered but most likely he will settle for less without even realizing it.

[TjM]

I know it's different. The Fez stuff is on air but from the talks they've had it sounds like Dave (Being a producer 3rd 2nd whatever you wanna call it mic) Has yet to learn the art of dealing with management

[ShowerBench]

I have not heard that. I'm not sure where people are getting that. Showerbench is the first to bring it up, I believe.

False. Showerbench didn't bring up anything about Dave telling anyone to cut Fez's pay.

I brought up the FACT that the disparity between Fez's salary and Dave's, with the implication that it's "unfair" is a popular theme here - and that in such a "zero sum" scenario Dave would not "deserve" any of Fez's salary.

[ShowerBench]

Simple economics says that a person who is married and has children and a mortgage is going to need more money then a single younger guy that rents.

Only in Commie-world is it assumed that one person will be paid more than another in a particular job, all else being equal.

Capitalist economics says there is a market value for any job performed at a particular level that produces a desired benefit to the bottom line.

If someone cannot survive on that salary, it's up to them to deal with it because the business can find someone else.

[ShowerBench]

Now that I think about it, there was a discussion on the air recently during which Dave was asked if he "went there" with the bosses regarding the Fez vs Dave issue.

The response was rather vague - I think he said he mentioned Fez but not sure how far he went in suggesting the situation was inequitable.

[ShowerBench]

I started my own business years ago because I was in sales @ a Fortune 500 company. Reading your post makes me remember just how awful these people were. We had one woman hardest worker in the world and due for a promotion when an AVP said to me... "I'm not giving her a promotion. We'll do it and she'll be married & pregnant in six months".

What if it were your business and that had been your experience 90% of the time in the past?

[underdog]

Now that I think about it, there was a discussion on the air recently during which Dave was asked if he "went there" with the bosses regarding the Fez vs Dave issue.

The response was rather vague - I think he said he mentioned Fez but not sure how far he went in suggesting the situation was inequitable.

I bolded the important part for you.

[hydee]

Let me expand on this for a bit.

Do you think Dave doesn't work? He wants to be paid what he's worth. I'm not even sure what kind of raise he wants, but as SiriusXM is starting to turn a profit and he is one of the six regular voices on 202 (Opie, Anthony, Jimmy, Ron, Fez, Dave) why shouldn't he be entitled to a raise, just like someone who is pumping gas gets a raise or flipping burgers?

If Dave was producing and not taking over as 2nd mic I would support him all the way. But when he has no clue on how to run a radio show and directs people to bother customer service to get more money... I don't think I can support that. Hicks does 95% of the behind the scenes work on Ron and Fez and RBI and I am sure he does work on Unmasked. Where are the calls for his raise?

And it makes no difference that Hicks doesn't have a wife and kid, you should get paid for what you do not for how many dependents you have.

[paulisded]

False. Showerbench didn't bring up anything about Dave telling anyone to cut Fez's pay.

I brought up the FACT that the disparity between Fez's salary and Dave's, with the implication that it's "unfair" is a popular theme here - and that in such a "zero sum" scenario Dave would not "deserve" any of Fez's salary.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, is saying that Dave should be paid anywhere near what Fez is receiving. We're just showing our support for Dave receiving a raise.

[angrymissy]

I started my own business years ago because I was in sales @ a Fortune 500 company. Reading your post makes me remember just how awful these people were. We had one woman hardest worker in the world and due for a promotion when an AVP said to me... "I'm not giving her a promotion. We'll do it and she'll be married & pregnant in six months".

It's a bit soulsucking at times. I fly under the radar and NEVER discuss my personal life with my coworkers when I can avoid it.

[angrymissy]

Only in Commie-world is it assumed that one person will be paid more than another in a particular job, all else being equal.

Capitalist economics says there is a market value for any job performed at a particular level that produces a desired benefit to the bottom line.

If someone cannot survive on that salary, it's up to them to deal with it because the business can find someone else.

You don't get his point, at all.

If you have a valuable employee, who cannot continue working for you unless you pay him more money because he has a family and circumstances have changed since he was hired, many companies will choose to pay said employee more money, rather than lose them.

It's not a matter of "Pay me more because I have children", it's a matter of "I can't continue to work here any longer for this salary because I can't afford it due to a change in circumstances" AND "My job duties have substantially changed since I was hired and I am worth more.".

Would you not say that Dave obviously does a lot more in his current capacity than he did when he first became an employee?

[ShowerBench]

You don't get his point, at all.

If you have a valuable employee, who cannot continue working for you unless you pay him more money because he has a family and circumstances have changed since he was hired, many companies will choose to pay said employee more money, rather than lose them.

It's not a matter of "Pay me more because I have children", it's a matter of "I can't continue to work here any longer for this salary because I can't afford it due to a change in circumstances" AND "My job duties have substantially changed since I was hired and I am worth more.".

Would you not say that Dave obviously does a lot more in his current capacity than he did when he first became an employee?

Sure he does. But if I had a valuable employee who desired/required more money (regardless of the reason), my only question would be whether I could find someone else to do the same work without compromising my profit.

I.e., could I find someone with the same or better skills who would not cost me subscribers/require a bigger salary?

How much more he does relative to when he started wouldn't matter.

[Dirtbag]

If Dave was producing and not taking over as 2nd mic I would support him all the way. But when he has no clue on how to run a radio show and directs people to bother customer service to get more money... I don't think I can support that. Hicks does 95% of the behind the scenes work on Ron and Fez and RBI and I am sure he does work on Unmasked. Where are the calls for his raise?

And it makes no difference that Hicks doesn't have a wife and kid, you should get paid for what you do not for how many dependents you have.
You know this how?

[mikeyboy]

False. Showerbench didn't bring up anything about Dave telling anyone to cut Fez's pay.

I brought up the FACT that the disparity between Fez's salary and Dave's, with the implication that it's "unfair" is a popular theme here - and that in such a "zero sum" scenario Dave would not "deserve" any of Fez's salary.

You need to be more clear.

[ShowerBench]

You need to be more clear.

I will try as a general practice, but I was very precise in this case (the quote is below) - so you need to be more careful in paraphrasing what I say. If you were retarded than a misreading would be understandable but since you aren't, it's careless.

What? I like Dave.

If we're talking about the zero-sum Fez salary vs Dave salary discussion this board fixates on, then no he doesn't deserve a significant or insignificant raise.

[disneyspy]

hey showerbench,remember when undie called you female fred?

that was pretty funny

[ShowerBench]

hey showerbench,remember when undie called you female fred?

that was pretty funny

I agree and told him so. Don't kill it.

[underdog]

If you were retarded than a misreading would be understandable but since you aren't, it's careless.

You apparently don't know mikeyboy very well.

[disneyspy]

hey showerbench,when i see the word hash tag i think of you,its wierd huh?

[ShowerBench]

You apparently don't know mikeyboy very well.

No one told me. Great, and I used the R word

[ShowerBench]

hey showerbench,when i see the word hash tag i think of you,its wierd huh?

Yeah weird, disneyspy

[mikeyboy]

I will try as a general practice, but I was very precise in this case (the quote is below) - so you need to be more careful in paraphrasing what I say. If you were retarded than a misreading would be understandable but since you aren't, it's careless.

What? I like Dave.

If we're talking about the zero-sum Fez salary vs Dave salary discussion this board fixates on, then no he doesn't deserve a significant or insignificant raise.

This is the quote, and it's honestly not that clear. Regardless, you're quote is the one that got others erroneously saying that dave wanted Sirius to give him some of Fez's salary.


I also addressed the common theme here (I didn't invent it) that when the question involves the salaries of Fez vs Dave, I see no justification there for the idea that Dave "deserves" one cent of Fez's salary.

[TripleSkeet]

Sure he does. But if I had a valuable employee who desired/required more money (regardless of the reason), my only question would be whether I could find someone else to do the same work without compromising my profit.

I.e., could I find someone with the same or better skills who would not cost me subscribers/require a bigger salary?

How much more he does relative to when he started wouldn't matter.

Thats great. But thats not always how it happens. In the business world having someone you can depend on is invaluable sometimes.

My wife is an office manager for a doctor, not to mention I happen to know quite a few other office managers for doctors around here. Most of these women have been working for the same doctors for 30 years. They make up to 80 grand a year and get their health benefits completely paid for them and their families.

Thats because they are dependable. They know everything going on in that office. The doctors could get a young girl right out of high school to do the job for 50 grand less a year but they dont. Know why? Because they kbnow these women care. Their job is important to them and they make sure the office runs like clockwork. Hiring a new girl means training them, and hoping they dont start fucking everything up. Combine a younger person with a smaller salary and you get someone that doesnt quite give a shit as much about the doctor losing his patience and the money that goes with them. So they pay the loyalworkers whatever they have to to keep them.

Alot of company owners do this. And its good business. It doesnt always have to be whats best for the bottom line. Thats how corporations fuck up. Id rather have loyal dependable workers and make less money but still have a profitable business then make more money but have employees that dont give a fuck about my business because I pay them shit.

James Goldsmith said "If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys." Pretty smart analogy if you ask me.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Hicks does 95% of the behind the scenes work on Ron and Fez and RBI and I am sure he does work on Unmasked. .

[citation needed]

[yojimbo7248]

I wish Showerbench would post at another thread about a tv show she likes or a movie or something she is eating for dinner just to prove she is human. I feel like I am reading posts from a Fez defending fembot.

[paulisded]

I wish Showerbench would post at another thread about a tv show she likes or a movie or something she is eating for dinner just to prove she is human. I feel like I am reading posts from a Fez defending fembot.

I bet Showerbench is one of those one-issue voters who doesn't care at all about any attribute of a candidate other than their cause, and is completely blind of their faults as long as they pander to her issue.

[yojimbo7248]

I bet Showerbench is one of those one-issue voters who doesn't care at all about any attribute of a candidate other than their cause, and is completely blind of their faults as long as they pander to her issue.


You're right. Just seems like same post over and over but just expressed slightly differently. Showerbench, take a break. Maybe lighten up and find another topic. You come across as a very serious person. You make WRESTLINGFAN and Dude! seem fun in comparison.

[Contra]

The truth is no one would get a significant raise if people didn't posture for it. That's just business. To say there is something wrong with Dave staging for better pay is just stupid. Put in a similar situation I'm sure many here would do the same thing.
Dave has gone from a buddy I used to hang with to a person with some real talent making his dreams come true. I say go for it buddy, and I support you because you are a buddy, stand up for what you want. Plenty of us behind you no matter what.

[oPant]

I'd jump in front of a bullet for the man.

Get an extra job and send him the money.

[Hottub]

[citation needed]

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj30/KickMyCunt/Iseewhatyoudidthere.jpg

[Melk]

If Dave was producing and not taking over as 2nd mic I would support him all the way. But when he has no clue on how to run a radio show and directs people to bother customer service to get more money... I don't think I can support that. Hicks does 95% of the behind the scenes work on Ron and Fez and RBI and I am sure he does work on Unmasked. Where are the calls for his raise?

And it makes no difference that Hicks doesn't have a wife and kid, you should get paid for what you do not for how many dependents you have.
Dave loves abusing people in low-level jobs for his amusement or benefit. There was the yelling at the customer service agent at Direct TV about ESPN Classic. There was the urging Sirius/XM customers to call customer care to insist they (as if they had the power) give him a raise. There is the spilling coffee at 7-11 because they didn't have Whiplash cups. I can't respect the guy for the way he bullies people who have no venue to attack him back without getting fired.

One of the posters wanted a citation on Hicks doing a majority of the production work. On the Friday episode following Ron's personal day a month or two ago, there was a discussion about Dave coming into the studio to spend time with Hicks because he was a little angry at his wife. During that discussion, Dave mentioned that he was "helping" Hicks with production. When Ron asked Hicks, he said something to the effect of, @he edited part of one of the things I was doing." This was followed by Ron criticizing Dave for not only, not knowing who the suits were at Sirius/XM and not knowing how to do production like Hicks.

Dave does everything necessary to improve his value to Sirius/XM except learn how to do production efficiently, sell his Saturday show to the Ron and Fez listeners and be respectful to the bosses who pay him.

Sure Howard Stern talks crap about his bosses but he has FU money and the market value to protect him. If busting on the suits really worked, Whatley would do it, too.

[Melk]

To say there is something wrong with Dave staging for better pay is just stupid.
I didn't say it was wrong, but I think he is foolish to draw a line in the sand when the suits won't even give Ron and Fez a replacement for Earl.

[oPant]

1) It's not Sirius' problem. I love Dave and his work, but Sirius should not be forced to raise his salary because of the choices he made.

He should get a raise because he is second mic on the show.

[mikeyboy]

I didn't say it was wrong, but I think he is foolish to draw a line in the sand when the suits won't even give Ron and Fez a replacement for Earl.

The line in the sand sounds like a necessity rather than a ploy. He can't raise his family on what they are paying him. If they can't pay him what he needs to survive, then he has to go somewhere that will.

[ShowerBench]

I wish Showerbench would post at another thread about a tv show she likes or a movie or something she is eating for dinner just to prove she is human. I feel like I am reading posts from a Fez defending fembot.

I posted in the political thread that Obama would probably suck (he does). I think I posted about "The Lives of Others" in the movie threads. All the TV shows I like are covered here so not much to add there. I believe I posted in defense of Windows 7. There is relentless anti-Fez crap here and a dearth of defenders, so I thought that was an issue given that this is the Ron and Fez show board.

I bet Showerbench is one of those one-issue voters who doesn't care at all about any attribute of a candidate other than their cause, and is completely blind of their faults as long as they pander to her issue.

I am left of center and prefer Democrats but "good government" is paramount, and I could see a Republican being better than a Democrat on that score if rarely. I don't care that much about any one cause except maybe dogs. *tick tick tick tick* I think almost all high level politicians are motivated by vanity and mentally ill so I don't care how nice they are. I like Bill Clinton. *tick tick tick*..

You're right. Just seems like same post over and over but just expressed slightly differently. Showerbench, take a break. Maybe lighten up and find another topic. You come across as a very serious person. You make WRESTLINGFAN and Dude! seem fun in comparison.

I'm not that serious in general, but where Fez is concerned, I am deadly serious..

[ShowerBench]

And...speaking of too serious - NO one is as too-serious as the pro-Dave, anti-Fez posters and callers.

When Fez said Dave was faking his heart problem (which is funny)..I've never witnessed such sobbing and rending of garments.

[Melk]

The line in the sand sounds like a necessity rather than a ploy. He can't raise his family on what they are paying him. If they can't pay him what he needs to survive, then he has to go somewhere that will.
I agree. I just have a terrible feeling about how this is going to end.

[Contra]

I didn't say it was wrong, but I think he is foolish to draw a line in the sand when the suits won't even give Ron and Fez a replacement for Earl.

Ah just meant that in general but drastic times call for drastic measures.

[96cobra]

Dave is a pain in the ass with no respect for authority. Call his bluff and let him go.

[yojimbo7248]

I'm not that serious in general, but where Fez is concerned, I am deadly serious..

no kidding

[JohnGacysCrawlSpace]

I'm sure Sirius loves to reward bad behavior.

[Space Edge]

If Dave was producing and not taking over as 2nd mic I would support him all the way. But when he has no clue on how to run a radio show and directs people to bother customer service to get more money... I don't think I can support that. Hicks does 95% of the behind the scenes work on Ron and Fez and RBI and I am sure he does work on Unmasked. Where are the calls for his raise?

And it makes no difference that Hicks doesn't have a wife and kid, you should get paid for what you do not for how many dependents you have.

You know this how?

[citation needed]

A few weeks ago, it might have been right after Dave said he is going to stop doing Special Delivery unless they pay him. Ron brought up how he doesn't do production work and Hicks does most of it. I can't recall the exact conversation word for word, I think it went something like that. The audio is out there and I have no desire to look and find it.

[paulisded]

I

I am left of center and prefer Democrats but "good government" is paramount, and I could see a Republican being better than a Democrat on that score if rarely. I don't care that much about any one cause except maybe dogs. *tick tick tick tick* I think almost all high level politicians are motivated by vanity and mentally ill so I don't care how nice they are. I like Bill Clinton. *tick tick tick*..




Now this is the Showerbench I could get along with.

[hydee]

You know this how?

Ron said this like 2 weeks ago. It's not a secret.

[Chigworthy]

Ron said this like 2 weeks ago. It's not a secret.

It's also not necessarily a detriment to Dave's value to the show and company. Obviously, he is closer to an on-air talent than a producer, and generally, the talent is making more than the producers. The point is, the majority of fans enjoy Dave on the show, and if Dave cannot survive on what he is being paid, the logical choice for the show is to keep him there. I'm sure Dave doesn't need Whatley money, but the company should look into paying him enough to stay.

[yojimbo7248]

Now this is the Showerbench I could get along with.

I like Showerbench talk about how she likes "Lives of Others". I love that movie. Much more interesting topic than petty little battles between Team Fez and Team Dave. Showerbench, no need to be so deadly serious about defending Fez. You obviously enjoy these fights but it seems odd showing such strong feelings supporting an absolute stranger.

[Tallman388]

I get the feeling that even if Sirius gives Dave a decent raise, it won't be "enough" to Dave. Last time he got a raise, albeit a meager one, Wicky had to call in to tell him to quit bitching about it.

With that being said, he should get some sort of raise, Hicks too. They could at least take some of Earl's old salary and give it to them. The company would still be saving money.

[Space Edge]

I like Showerbench talk about how she likes "Lives of Others". I love that movie. Much more interesting topic than petty little battles between Team Fez and Team Dave. Showerbench, no need to be so deadly serious about defending Fez. You obviously enjoy these fights but it seems odd showing such strong feelings supporting an absolute stranger.

I don't agree with Showerbench one bit but don't some people do the same with Dave?

[paulisded]

I don't agree with Showerbench one bit but don't some people do the same with Dave?

No, I don't agree. Those that are "pro-Dave" aren't necessarily anti-Fez and don't knock down every compliment of Fez as being detrimental against Dave. Threads such as this prove the exact opposite. Saying you like Dave and want him to succeed brings out all the Fred's of the world.

[Sinestro]

Save East Side Dave? It's Up to you.....or not. You decide.

[Space Edge]

No, I don't agree. Those that are "pro-Dave" aren't necessarily anti-Fez and don't knock down every compliment of Fez as being detrimental against Dave. Threads such as this prove the exact opposite. Saying you like Dave and want him to succeed brings out all the Fred's of the world.

ehh I was more getting at the showing strong support for a stranger. I know showerbench "rides fez's nuts" when it comes to these arguments, I was just pointing out that people are arguing over a stranger that most of us don't know. I do hope Dave sticks around and gets paid some more.

[mikeyboy]

Lately, I tend to skip these kinds of threads because of what they become, which is sad. This is a thread regarding how people can help Dave if they want to. If they don't want to, there are many other threads where they can complain about Dave.

[Zorro]

Lately, I tend to skip these kinds of threads because of what they become, which is sad. This is a thread regarding how people can help Dave if they want to. If they don't want to, there are many other threads where they can complain about Dave.

No matter how you feel about Dave let's hope it works out for him. No one could have predicted the turn of events and Dave definitely deserves credit for jumping in and saving the show from certain doom...and a few extra bucks wouldn't hurt either.

[Sinestro]

How about if you don't have Twitter????

[oPant]

How about if you don't have Twitter????

Get it.

[yojimbo7248]

ehh I was more getting at the showing strong support for a stranger. I know showerbench "rides fez's nuts" when it comes to these arguments, I was just pointing out that people are arguing over a stranger that most of us don't know. I do hope Dave sticks around and gets paid some more.

Of course, these Dave vs Fez arguments get heated on both sides but most posters here have more dimensions that Showerbench. Moe defends Fez a lot but he is a likable guy who posts about a lot of things, shows a sense of humor, and seems like a human. My only point was that Showerbench seems like a Fez defending robot who is fixated on one topic. She corrected me by saying she has posted about the movie, Lives of Others, and has also been in the political threads. I then said I love LoO and would far rather post back and forth about that with her than read the same re-hashed, over-the-top, precisely articulated posts defending Fez. She just came across very cold, angry, and one-dimensional and it would be nice to see another side and it probably wouldn't hurt to lighten up a bit.

[ShowerBench]

I like Showerbench talk about how she likes "Lives of Others". I love that movie. Much more interesting topic than petty little battles between Team Fez and Team Dave. Showerbench, no need to be so deadly serious about defending Fez. You obviously enjoy these fights but it seems odd showing such strong feelings supporting an absolute stranger.

I know, but not unusual for me. That's like telling an NRA member not to be so deadly serious about defending gun rights, since I value certain entertainment as much as they value their guns. Almost everybody here knows that no show has ever compared with the Ron and Fez show, in every incarnation past and present. Fez is one of the two and a singular talent, so seeing him being trashed here and hearing him say he was demoralized by it (which in turn, I believe, affected his performance and threatened to change the dynamics of the show for the worse) - is comparable to an "official" Beatles board read by members of the group that trashed Lennon or McCartney and threatened to undermine the productivity of one or the other or both. So I figured it called for a few hundred posts in Fez's defense.

No, I don't agree. Those that are "pro-Dave" aren't necessarily anti-Fez and don't knock down every compliment of Fez as being detrimental against Dave. Threads such as this prove the exact opposite. Saying you like Dave and want him to succeed brings out all the Fred's of the world.

Certainly not all the pro-Dave comments are anti-Fez, but some of them are, and there are also gratuitous anti-Fez comments that don't even mention Dave. They get as personal as they possibly could but are rarely policed. Not saying they should be either, but the double standard of "protection" afforded to Dave is now comical. No one knows where the "ban" line is because even topics discussed BY Dave on the show are prohibited.

[paulisded]

I know, but not unusual for me. That's like telling an NRA member not to be so deadly serious about defending gun rights, since I value certain entertainment as much as they value their guns. Almost everybody here knows that no show has ever compared with the Ron and Fez show, in every incarnation past and present. Fez is one of the two and a singular talent, so seeing him being trashed here and hearing him say he was demoralized by it (which in turn, I believe, affected his performance and threatened to change the dynamics of the show for the worse) - is comparable to an "official" Beatles board read by members of the group that trashed Lennon or McCartney and threatened to undermine the productivity of one or the other or both. So I figured it called for a few hundred posts in Fez's defense.



So Dave is the Billy Preston of R&F? Or would you say he's the Yoko?

[ShowerBench]

Lately, I tend to skip these kinds of threads because of what they become, which is sad. This is a thread regarding how people can help Dave if they want to. If they don't want to, there are many other threads where they can complain about Dave.

For the record, this thread became what it has become because you got pissy about my Dave joke.

Of course, these Dave vs Fez arguments get heated on both sides but most posters here have more dimensions that Showerbench. Moe defends Fez a lot but he is a likable guy who posts about a lot of things, shows a sense of humor, and seems like a human. My only point was that Showerbench seems like a Fez defending robot who is fixated on one topic. She corrected me by saying she has posted about the movie, Lives of Others, and has also been in the political threads. I then said I love LoO and would far rather post back and forth about that with her than read the same re-hashed, over-the-top, precisely articulated posts defending Fez. She just came across very cold, angry, and one-dimensional and it would be nice to see another side and it probably wouldn't hurt to lighten up a bit.

Well everybody likes Moe but he's still #2.

I think I defended Zoolander once.

[ShowerBench]

So Dave is the Billy Preston of R&F? Or would you say he's the Yoko?

More like the Ringo if the Lennon and McCartney had the same psychology as Ron and Fez and Ringo, along with the fans whose favorite Beatles song is Octopus's Garden and chatted with Ringo online, enjoyed demoralizing one of the two geniuses (the one who shared Fez's psychology).

[Death Metal Moe]

I feel we've been over this topic a few different times, but I'll say it again.

You don't just go to your bosses and say "I deserve more money." You show them that you deserve more money.

Your time in and your sick kid aren't reasons people get raises, period. At least he's going about it slightly differently this time, trying to show that large groups of people like him. But putting an ultimatum in front of his bosses was a REALLY bad idea. What happens when he doesn't reach his goal? Is he REALLY going to leave his job that doesn't pay enough for no job that pays nothing? And since he's quitting I don't think he'd even get unemployment, which is a joke payment anyway.

I like Dave but if he's actually negotiating the way he says he does on the air, he's not going to get any more money at all.

[Penelope]

Dave is a pain in the ass with no respect for authority. Call his bluff and let him go.

Ok, that comment just got you on the Davepound LIST. Along with Rick Sanchez.

[paulisded]

More like the Ringo if the Lennon and McCartney had the same psychology as Ron and Fez and Ringo, along with the fans whose favorite Beatles song is Octopus's Garden and chatted with Ringo online, enjoyed demoralizing one of the two geniuses (the one who shared Fez's psychology).

If you're going to go that route, can't you give Dave a bit of credit and call him the Harrison of the show? :)

[mikeyboy]

For the record, this thread became what it has become because you got pissy about my Dave joke.

Seriously? No it didn't.

Can it really be a "Dave joke" if it's the same thing you've said over and over again completely seriously. You're the main reason this thread became anything about Fez. Don't want to support Dave? Fine. You have a bunch of people in your corner. Why not take it to another thread?

[ShowerBench]

If you're going to go that route, can't you give Dave a bit of credit and call him the Harrison of the show? :)

I did think about it cuz wanted to be fair...but that Hicks..hilarious and fits the bill of the understated talent

I do give ESD credit - i kinda like Yellow Submarine!

[Tenbatsuzen]

I did think about it cuz wanted to be fair...but that Hicks..hilarious and fits the bill of the understated talent


god fucking DAMNIT you are one passive aggressive bitch.

[ShowerBench]

Can it really be a "Dave joke" if it's the same thing you've said over and over again completely seriously.

Yes

You're the main reason this thread became anything about Fez.

You are.

[ShowerBench]

god fucking DAMNIT you are one passive aggressive bitch.

Wha?!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Wha?!

This is not about Hicks, or Fez. This isn't a Fez bashing thread. I started this thread because I don't want to see Dave leave. If he does, then guess what? The show fucking dies in a year.

[ShowerBench]

This is not about Hicks, or Fez. This isn't a Fez bashing thread. I started this thread because I don't want to see Dave leave. If he does, then guess what? The show fucking dies in a year.

I was replying to a comment about an analogy. The commenter mentioned Yoko, but no..I made Dave a Beatle. I was then asked if he deserved to be George and so I responded with the truth - I had in fact considered that in fairness but it didn't work out. I complimented Hicks and suddenly that is a dig at ESD? I do kinda like Yellow Sub.

I guess anything short of the most effusive praise of ESD including saying you kinda like him is unacceptable!

[SinA]

Dave should walk. Either Fez will come back stronger than he's been in years (which would be great) or it'll be clear that Dave is an essential part (33%?) of the show.

[chili_chest]

ive got nothing.

[Melk]

Dave should walk. Either Fez will come back stronger than he's been in years (which would be great) or it'll be clear that Dave is an essential part (33%?) of the show.
That is a pretty sensible idea, but let him see if he can get more money first.

[underdog]

I bet Showerbench is one of those one-issue voters who doesn't care at all about any attribute of a candidate other than their cause, and is completely blind of their faults as long as they pander to her issue.

You should read her pre-election political posts. Hilarious.

[underdog]

Fez is one of the two and a singular talent, so seeing him being trashed here and hearing him say he was demoralized by it (which in turn, I believe, affected his performance and threatened to change the dynamics of the show for the worse) - is comparable to an "official" Beatles board read by members of the group that trashed Lennon or McCartney and threatened to undermine the productivity of one or the other or both.

McCartney's Wings = Fez's "Which Disney Princess Had It The Worst"

I guess anything short of the most effusive praise of ESD including saying you kinda like him is unacceptable!

In this thread, yes. You want to bitch about Dave? Do it in another thread, Frederica.

[PapaBear]

In this thread, yes. You want to bitch about Dave? Do it in another thread, Frederica.
This post explains it perfectly and clearly. Therefore, SB won't get it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

McCartney's Wings = Fez's "Which Disney Princess Had It The Worst"



In this thread, yes. You want to bitch about Dave? Do it in another thread, Frederica.

WONDERFUL CHRISTMASTIME IS AN AWESOME SONG AND NEVER STOPS FROM MAKING ME HAPPY

[ShowerBench]

In this thread, yes. You want to bitch about Dave? Do it in another thread, Frederica.

Kinda like when pro-Fez threads were policed for anti-Fez content.

:lol:

[underdog]

Kinda like when pro-Fez threads were policed for anti-Fez content.

:lol:

Apparently, we need a Top Disney Princesses Anti-Fez Thread to go with the Penultimate Anti-Dave Thread.

[Death Metal Moe]

Seriously? No it didn't.

Can it really be a "Dave joke" if it's the same thing you've said over and over again completely seriously. You're the main reason this thread became anything about Fez. Don't want to support Dave? Fine. You have a bunch of people in your corner. Why not take it to another thread?

It's hard to blame just you for this, but you played your roll too.

[ShowerBench]

Out of curiosity - are there any members of the show about whom we can't post a thread like this (obviously aside from Ron or Fez, since this IS ronfez.net)? The thread wasn't locked so I'm guessing this sort of thing is OK if it targets producers/interns:

http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=76352

[Space Edge]

Out of curiosity - are there any members of the show about whom we can't post a thread like this (obviously aside from Ron or Fez, since this IS ronfez.net)? The thread wasn't locked so I'm guessing this sort of thing is OK if it targets producers/interns:

http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=76352

lol and that one was started by a former intern. Sidcada rules

[Chigworthy]

I was replying to a comment about an analogy. The commenter mentioned Yoko, but no..I made Dave a Beatle. I was then asked if he deserved to be George and so I responded with the truth - I had in fact considered that in fairness but it didn't work out. I complimented Hicks and suddenly that is a dig at ESD? I do kinda like Yellow Sub.

I guess anything short of the most effusive praise of ESD including saying you kinda like him is unacceptable!

Silly talk.

[Penelope]

You guys don't even remember what you are fighting about anymore, do you? Just follow ESD cause his videos are funny. Like Chigworthy's signature says "There is magic everywhere up in this bitch." Peace, love, and fuckin rainbows.

[Chigworthy]

You guys don't even remember what you are fighting about anymore, do you? Just follow ESD cause his videos are funny. Like Chigworthy's signature says "There is magic everywhere up in this bitch." Peace, love, and fuckin rainbows.

and magnets.

[disneyspy]

this was a stupid idea to begin with, if you want to help dave you should do as i posted in the listening threads and tweet the word 'sirius' and either a positive message about how dave is good for the show and should get a raise OR threaten to cancel your subscriptions (i chose the more dramatic and economical response) no hash tags are needed

[yojimbo7248]

Almost everybody here knows that no show has ever compared with the Ron and Fez show, in every incarnation past and present. Fez is one of the two and a singular talent, so seeing him being trashed here and hearing him say he was demoralized by it (which in turn, I believe, affected his performance and threatened to change the dynamics of the show for the worse) - is comparable to an "official" Beatles board read by members of the group that trashed Lennon or McCartney and threatened to undermine the productivity of one or the other or both. So I figured it called for a few hundred posts in Fez's defense.

I can't help but thinking your 'deadly seriousness' is tongue in cheek. First of all, who says 'deadly serious' except maybe Shirley Phelps talking about hating gays, abortion clinic bombers, or, like you said, NRA members. Fez is a funny guy who has seen better days but seriously hard to imagine anyone being 'deadly serious' about protecting his honor.

If you are a board character and we are rubes, well done.