It's over.

[damainer]

I hate this....hope he was kidding on Sam and Dave. What to hell am I going to do with all my East Side Dave tshirts now?

[hammersavage]

What to hell am I going to do with all my East Side Dave tshirts now?



Jack rags. Its what he would have wanted

[CJJames]

They had a billion for a name that would bring in a fanbase of a guy who's been famous on the radio for 2 decades. I don't like the amount they paid that washed up jock either but your rebuttal also contains a fatal flaw.

What fatal flaw? You just cited the flaw in his argument that proved my point. They have the money to pay and cultivate talent on the XM side. They simply choose to spend it on Howard instead.

[Death Metal Moe]

What fatal flaw? You just cited the flaw in his argument that proved my point. They have the money to pay and cultivate talent on the XM side. They simply choose to spend it on Howard instead.

Howard, at the time, used his position in the industry to hoodwink a company in the biggest theft in the same industry's history.

Dave didn't have the clout Hoo Hoo did, that was my point. RIF bro.

[CJJames]

Half-billion, and that was before the crash, and a shitload of that was stock options, not actual liquid money.

It goes back to what Ron said. There's a metric shitload of producers at XM who do their job and do it well. If Dave gets a raise, then all of them want raises.

Ron didn't "say" that. He was articulating the excuse coming down from ABOVE Sirius Programming as to why THEY would not give Dave a raise. It was Ron who went to bat for Dave through discussions with management over the break and through the letter he mentioned writing. He made the point, as did O+A an hour before that Dave deserved the raise based on merit and talent. He did much more than he was paid to do and did it very well. He also developed an on-air persona that was very valuable.

Instead of making a decision on a raise based on merit and talent, which is how it should work at a company looking to get better, they made the decision based on a belief that everyone is equal in radio if they all have the same job title. Wrong.

[Pestz4Evah]

O&A&J comment of Dave's situation:

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[Recyclerz]

I don't know how many of you play around with finance but the combined Sirius-XM has destroyed at least $10 billion of shareholder value.
It ain't pretty. (http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SIRI)

I suspect Karmazin spends all of his time trying to rollover the debt and has given orders to his minions to cut expenses with a chainsaw. Unfortunately, I don't think that Dave will be the last cost reduction at 202. :sad:

[torker]

nice words from anthony

thoughts and prayers

ps~ not dicking around: what's up w/ Dave's kid?

[Melk]

Instead of making a decision on a raise based on merit and talent, which is how it should work at a company looking to get better, they made the decision based on a belief that everyone is equal in radio if they all have the same job title. Wrong.
I'll agree with you there.

The talent on XM, in general, is at a severe disadvantage when it comes to contract negotiations. In traditional terrestrial radio, there are industry-accepted ways of counting the listening audience. The stations, the talent and the media have access to it. In the case of Sirius/XM, the company seems to have some level of understanding of the listening audience, but (based off of things that Opie has said on XM in the past) they don't seem to offer full-disclosure of that information to the staff or the media. We don't even get to know the results of the surveys they ask us to take. This has to impair negotiations with terrestrial radio stations.

To many of the people who like Ron and Fez, Dave is irreplaceable. But how many of us are really out there? I don't know how many of us are out there. I assume living on the east coast would give me the impression that Ron and Fez have a rather large audience. When I lived in Chicago, I knew a few and knew of a few Opie and Anthony fans (Cokelogic, for example) but I personally didn't know any Ron and Fez fans. Granted the audience may have grown since then (I left Chicago during their second year on XM and they were never syndicated out there during the WNEW days.) but I don't have the hard facts or the anecdotal evidence to support that my favorite radio show having a large audience.

I think a lot of this problem could be resolved if Ron and Fez had a similar salary and budgeting structure to the Howard Stern channel or the Oprah channel where Ron and Fez are essentially a production company that Sirius/XM pays a set fee. If they had that power, they could set the salaries of their entire staff as they please. Unfortunately, they have to rely on the management to see value in Dave or see value in rehiring or replacing Earl. For crying out loud, they never paid Lily a dime. They probably never paid Bronx Johnny.

I hope that Ron and Fez find a way to improve their current situation when their contracts are up. If they end up staying with Sirius/XM, great. If they go back to terrestrial, great. If they retire, I hope it is on their terms.

[Pestz4Evah]

nice words from anthony

thoughts and prayers

ps~ not dicking around: what's up w/ Dave's kid?

http://www.stanleymcdonaldfund.com/

[torker]

http://www.stanleymcdonaldfund.com/

i didn't know

[BlackFan]

Personally I'm glad they never paid Lily. Or we would still be hearing to this day how beautiful that flat assed flat chested battle axe was.

They've been trying to low ball 202 since this whole thing started. And for them Dave leaving is a blessing. Just another salary they don't have to fulfill. And eventually hicks will burn out,and Ron and Fez will be dropped and the Virus will be done. O&A will be moved to another channel, and that'll be the end of it all. I guarantee this is what Sirius wants.

They probably don't even want O&A. They just have to keep them close because they're an actual threat.

I remember when Kidd Chris went off terrestrial and he was online. He was saying that, Sirius was talking to him while he was still on in Philly,and then when he got fired they discontinued contact. The treat of Kidd Chris was over,and they didn't need to buy him so that regular radio could be hurt further. And now he's out in bumfuck portland where no one gives a shit about him.

[oPant]

Let me hear from the Dog Pound. dial tone X 3. :clap:

[Melk]

Personally I'm glad they never paid Lily. Or we would still be hearing to this day how beautiful that flat assed flat chested battle axe was.
I'd rather the show have retained Johnny, Lily and Earl. They were entertaining. Johnny's adult movie reviews were funny. Lily could get the male listeners really angry. And Earl, for his faults, was much better on the air when the topic shifted to music or non-Yankees-related sports discussions than any one Ron has ever interacted with. I'm a little surprised that Dave never tried to create a sports talk show with Earl as the co-host (Davey Red and Black Earl? Come on!). And, of course, Pepper Hicks Chris Stanley is awesome.

I didn't really care for Pitzy or Fast Freddie, but they were alright, too.

[BlackFan]

i hated lily she was entitled shit heap, although i will agree bronx johnny ruled. and i thought i used to like hearing ron and earl talk music but i really don't. my mind kinda wanders when they do.

[pretzelfinger]

Well those people number in the dozens, nobody outside his circle of friends find him remotely funny, I know its shocking but hes not funny, I have had funnier root canals than a dave fuck up show. I know its just a fucking bit but in fantasy land he really is gone which allows fez to function again without the retard there to fuck with him.


To let you know its earned.

Wrong Dumbass. Dave is hilarious and I am now done with XM.

i think that they are going to lose a hell of a lot more money by not paying him than had they given him the cash he deserves. Thanks Ron for the great times (you too Fez).

[spainlinx0]

He was on air talent and took up a lot of the slack for Fez. We're not talking a factory job where they can hire anyone off the streets to fill the boxes. There are different rules in the Media field. You can do and say things at work that would not be tolerated at any other job when you do a show. The point is that Sirius does not value the Ron and Fez show enough to find a way to pay Dave more.]

Even Howard F'd up his own show by not replacing Artie while he is out. Howard is not funny, Benjy is not a funny writer, nor funny, and there is nothing funny on Howard's show without a comedian there. I bet they still had to pay Artie his salary while he's out, and Howard won't go into his $500 million pocket to bring in a new comedian.

He was still a producer. That was his official title. Unless there were plans to make him an OFFICIAL third mic, I doubt very highly that any producer could have gotten the raise Dave wanted, even at 100x the on-air talent. It doesn't matter that we know he was more than a producer. When it came time to negotiations, and you click the drop-down box for "position" the producer position didn't offer the kind of money he was looking for.

[BlackFan]

Dave effectively moved up to second mic. There were literally hour stretches of Fez not saying anything. I remember being soo mad one day during this where fez probably had 2 minutes of audio in the first 2 hours of the show.

[pillsaregood]

O&A&J comment of Dave's situation:

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Here's the problem.

It's not about Sirius paying Dave for being an on air talent.

They have to know by now that all the support from the fans and Ron writing letters and O and A going to bat for him that he would be worth every penny they would pay him as an on air talent.

The problem arises when they look at the budget for the show.

They see two salaries on the menu for two on air talents as it is.

One of those people, Ron, earns his salary. The other one, Fez, doesn't.

So for Sirius to pay Dave they would have had to cut into Fez's salary. And why would this be a problem? It shouldn't have been because Dave has been doing Fez's job as #2 mic for four years now. I think Opie wanted to say as much today.

But it was obvious from Fez's BS today about Dave looking to find a radio job in Jersey being the same as him working in Manhattan that Fez didn't want to do whatever was necessary to keep Dave aboard.

And as usual Ron talks about using all kinds of other people to make up for the loss of Dave.

How about Fez earns the huge salary he's making so you don't have to ask other people to do more than they are compensated for.

Today was my last day listening to the Ron and Fez show.

Ron is all about him. Fez is all about him. Dave is all about his family.

Fez doesn't deserve the job he has and nor does he do any work to keep it. So take it away Sirius.

Let Ron go do some other things because he's brilliant. He's tied to this sinking anchor because of his friendship with Fez. Fuck that. Move on Ron. It's time to cut the cord already on this grown man. At this point in time all you are doing is working for him or asking others to work for him.

Kind of makes it look like Fez is the real king here and Ron is just the lowly servant.

When Dave gets a full time show I will be a loyal listener.

[Slumbag]

So for Sirius to pay Dave they would have had to cut into Fez's salary. And why would this be a problem? It shouldn't have been because Dave has been doing Fez's job as #2 mic for four years now. I think Opie wanted to say as much today.


I think Opie and Jim both did, but they were being very polite about it.

[ants solarpanel]

I am pissed. Is this company that stupid? You can tell Opie holds back every day on the stuff he wants to say. You can tell Dave was playing it cool on SD on saturday and not blowing up. An executive producer leaves the show and sirius/xm doesn't replace him. Instead Dave and Pepper step up and absorb the load and I doubt they received any type of compensation. That is one whole income that sirius/xm saved for a long time that they could have used for his raise. And for those of you miniscule amount of Dave haters, the guy is hysterical. If you want to know how I know I am right...Ron and Fez...Opie and Anthony and Jimmy are some of the funniest people on earth and I have heard Dave have them laughing their asses off. He kills everytime he goes on O and A and they don't like too many other shows or their producers. So what do we do? The only way to hurt stupid execs is financially. All who support Dave could cancel for a month and then renew in a month but that would hurt OandA and RandF and they are my first priority. By the way my radio stays on 202 pretty much 99 percent of the time. I wish there was a way for them to know this. The only reason I have sirius/xm is because the band got back together. Aren't contracts coming up soon? Do they have any idea how many subscriptions they stand to lose if they mess with anyone on 202. I don't think that is the solution and telling them how stupid they are won't fix it. I am trying to stay calm and think of a way we can help the execs reconsider. So here it is. What if your subscription was one more dollar a year? I am not sure about the number but Dave has like 12000 or so followers on twitter. So that has to be nothing compared to the amount that listen to 202. Is it possible that there are at least 12000 202 listeners that don't even use twitter? Obviously not everyone can contribute but what if at least 10000 twitter followers and 10000 other 202 listeners give one dollar each and send it to sirius/xm and tell them we pick up the tab for Dave. Maybe their dumb asses could match it with another 20000. Dave's 35000 plus 20000 from us and the match...or whatever the raise they were going to give Dave and now were are talking. I really thought they were going to give him the raise and he said on SD that he thought so too. He handled the disappointment like a true pro and did the same thing he always does...made me freakin laugh.

[thepaulo]

No one gives a shit.

[Melk]

No one gives a shit.
What provoked that comment, Paul O?

[razorboy]

No one gives a shit.

I'm pretty sure that isn't accurate.

[knockknock]

Ron went the extra mile to try to get Dave a raise. He met with the bosses, wrote a letter, did phone meetings over his vacation, and encouraged listeners to get involved in the Twitter campaign. Compare that to Fez, who stayed out of it, didn't say encouraging words, and from all appearances didn't really go to bat for Dave. The saddest thing is Dave was always there for Fez, but Fez repaid him with crazy paranoid fantasies about Casey controlling minions who forged his checks.

I love the Ron & Fez Show, but at this point I can't stand to hear Fez even for the 10 minutes out of 240 minutes that he speaks on mic. He's just a curmudgeon, a narc, everything we'd hate in a co-worker--someone who gets the big salary, does jack shit, and undermines and sabotages others. Witness what Fez did to Ron with the live reads. The live reads were extremely funny with Ron & Dave riffing, but Fez reported it to management. Fez also reported O&A to management over some mess left behind. From what Ron & Fez have both discussed on-air, it sounds like even management doesn't like Fez. No one likes a sabotaging snitch who shirks work.

[daminik]

this whole thing is a bit... a conversation peice. dave already got the raise. like I said... a BIT.

why wouldn't he be back? i mean if it was a bit, he would of at least been back later on the show yesterday. if he did get a a big enough raise, he would've had to have been there yesterday because he needs to show his worth and the reason for his raise. There is no sence of him not being there and showing his talent. not everything's a bit remember that. if it is a bit then fuck me in my dick hole, but i think i'll be safe.

[disneyspy]

I will miss eastside just got back to listening to the show. just picked up best of xm just for the ron and fez show. i listen back when it was the ron and ron show with fez when they were in the tampa fl area. dave was a great addition to the show.:down:
welcome to the board
you and disney spy will get along real nice :happy:
only if its a she,cant stand the dudes here,buncha no head givin prudes
You're right - that's super exciting. And congratulations-worthy!

I wasn't really surprised, I guess, just disappointed.

someone shoulda started a congrats dave thread

[Death Metal Moe]

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[strawberrypop]

^That's not very death metally, dearest Moe.

[sailor]

Personally I'm glad they never paid Lily. Or we would still be hearing to this day how beautiful that flat assed flat chested battle axe was.

Lilly fan since day 1.

[ShowerBench]

Ron went the extra mile to try to get Dave a raise. He met with the bosses, wrote a letter, did phone meetings over his vacation, and encouraged listeners to get involved in the Twitter campaign. Compare that to Fez, who stayed out of it, didn't say encouraging words, and from all appearances didn't really go to bat for Dave. The saddest thing is Dave was always there for Fez, but Fez repaid him with crazy paranoid fantasies about Casey controlling minions who forged his checks.

I love the Ron & Fez Show, but at this point I can't stand to hear Fez even for the 10 minutes out of 240 minutes that he speaks on mic. He's just a curmudgeon, a narc, everything we'd hate in a co-worker--someone who gets the big salary, does jack shit, and undermines and sabotages others. Witness what Fez did to Ron with the live reads. The live reads were extremely funny with Ron & Dave riffing, but Fez reported it to management. Fez also reported O&A to management over some mess left behind. From what Ron & Fez have both discussed on-air, it sounds like even management doesn't like Fez. No one likes a sabotaging snitch who shirks work.

I've never seen such a misinformed post on any message board and I frequent GlennBeck.com.

I am pissed. Is this company that stupid? You can tell Opie holds back every day on the stuff he wants to say. You can tell Dave was playing it cool on SD on saturday and not blowing up. An executive producer leaves the show and sirius/xm doesn't replace him. Instead Dave and Pepper step up and absorb the load and I doubt they received any type of compensation. That is one whole income that sirius/xm saved for a long time that they could have used for his raise. And for those of you miniscule amount of Dave haters, the guy is hysterical. If you want to know how I know I am right...Ron and Fez...Opie and Anthony and Jimmy are some of the funniest people on earth and I have heard Dave have them laughing their asses off. He kills everytime he goes on O and A and they don't like too many other shows or their producers. So what do we do? The only way to hurt stupid execs is financially. All who support Dave could cancel for a month and then renew in a month but that would hurt OandA and RandF and they are my first priority. By the way my radio stays on 202 pretty much 99 percent of the time. I wish there was a way for them to know this. The only reason I have sirius/xm is because the band got back together. Aren't contracts coming up soon? Do they have any idea how many subscriptions they stand to lose if they mess with anyone on 202. I don't think that is the solution and telling them how stupid they are won't fix it. I am trying to stay calm and think of a way we can help the execs reconsider. So here it is. What if your subscription was one more dollar a year? I am not sure about the number but Dave has like 12000 or so followers on twitter. So that has to be nothing compared to the amount that listen to 202. Is it possible that there are at least 12000 202 listeners that don't even use twitter? Obviously not everyone can contribute but what if at least 10000 twitter followers and 10000 other 202 listeners give one dollar each and send it to sirius/xm and tell them we pick up the tab for Dave. Maybe their dumb asses could match it with another 20000. Dave's 35000 plus 20000 from us and the match...or whatever the raise they were going to give Dave and now were are talking. I really thought they were going to give him the raise and he said on SD that he thought so too. He handled the disappointment like a true pro and did the same thing he always does...made me freakin laugh.

The twideos were hysterical and the solo sports segment was entertaining and interesting - but for many of us, Dave in a co-host capacity did not enhance the show. For many of us, the fact that he spoke many words into the mic was a liability, because over a long show he turned conversations into white noise, muting Ron's contribution.

I hope he aims for and gets his own sports show. I've always liked Dave because he loves his three-legged (girl's) dog.

[indymike]

I'd like to set up bets with anyone claiming this is a 'bit' - of course I'd need agree to a 'deadline' that would prove it wasn't. I win you dontate to http://www.stanleymcdonaldfund.com/ - you win and I donate to the charity of your choice.

Its not a bit.

And I guess Earl was making about twice what Dave was making when he quit - so all Sirius really needed to do was promote Dave who ended up doing a lot of the work Earl used to do PLUS spending hours on air each day.

[PD]

so Moe and Showerbench,
have you been posting how much Fez has contributed now that Dave is gone?
has the show returned to what you remembered?

I'm not poking, I'm really asking if you have felt that last 2 days have been a return to the "golden age"

[knockknock]

ShowerBench,

I assume you have a connection or friendship with Fez. Please tell him he has no excuses now that Dave is gone. We expect him to step up and talk and bring the funny to the show. We've had 2 days without Dave and Fez is still stuck in shirking mode, making Ron, Pepper, and Earl do all the talking. The excuse clock has run out.

Please counsel Fez to come up with an exit plan so Ron can get a new partner. Ron has a family to support and it's not fair to drag down his career. Ron's already lost his talking partner (Dave) of the past few years.

[daminik]

I've never seen such a misinformed post on any message board and I frequent GlennBeck.com.



The twideos were hysterical and the solo sports segment was entertaining and interesting - but for many of us, Dave in a co-host capacity did not enhance the show. For many of us, the fact that he spoke many words into the mic was a liability, because over a long show he turned conversations into white noise, muting Ron's contribution.

I hope he aims for and gets his own sports show. I've always liked Dave because he loves his three-legged (girl's) dog.

what did you listen to? dave never stepped over ron. they had better conversations than your precious fez. dave gave a lot to the show you're just too far up fez's ass to know that. dave was the better 2nd mic

[Death Metal Moe]

so Moe and Showerbench,
have you been posting how much Fez has contributed now that Dave is gone?
has the show returned to what you remembered?

I'm not poking, I'm really asking if you have felt that last 2 days have been a return to the "golden age"

I won't speak for Showerbench, but I was never one of those people who was convinced that Fez would suddenly return to the days of old, holding court, yapping up a storm the second Dave was gone. I was a Dave fan, I didn't want to see him go.

I have had some problems with the way Dave has treated Fez in the past but I didn't want Dave gone.

I am, however, one of those people that has a sense of history with the Ron and Fez show and knows that the show has survived major changes many times and remained a great show. All the dipshit acting like the show was done the second Dave left weren't real fans in the 1st place. The show was great with Dave but it's still great without him. He had to move on and we have to as well, as long as we're fans of The Ron and Fez show.

[daminik]

I won't speak for Showerbench, but I was never one of those people who was convinced that Fez would suddenly return to the days of old, holding court, yapping up a storm the second Dave was gone. I was a Dave fan, I didn't want to see him go.

I have had some problems with the way Dave has treated Fez in the past but I didn't want Dave gone.

I am, however, one of those people that has a sense of history with the Ron and Fez show and knows that the show has survived major changes many times and remained a great show. All the dipshit acting like the show was done the second Dave left weren't real fans in the 1st place. The show was great with Dave but it's still great without him. He had to move on and we have to as well, as long as we're fans of The Ron and Fez show.

i never thought and still don't think that fez is going to go back to the way he was before. You say that they have survived major changes but not like this. Fez has been fucked for a while and dave stepped up. Most of the time it was ron and dave talking because fez has nothing or nothing good to talk about. dave became 2nd mic because he deserved it. It's good that you have loyalty for the show but you can't tell me fez is going to pick up the slack at all. Ron and Dave made the show. without dave, do you really think the show will be as good as before? Many dave haters (not saying you are) bash dave because they're loyal to what the show once was with fez being better than he is now and owning 2nd mic. They are blinded by what fez once was and hating anyone else being in his place.

[ShowerBench]

so Moe and Showerbench,
have you been posting how much Fez has contributed now that Dave is gone?
has the show returned to what you remembered?

I'm not poking, I'm really asking if you have felt that last 2 days have been a return to the "golden age"

I've enjoyed this week's shows. Not everyone agrees, but I like more caller contributions and a pace that lends itself to less active listening, especially in their current time slot and over four hours. I'm not counting Fez's words, but as far as I have heard he's been "there" the last couple of days. Interestingly, he also didn't break down over the mistake today and rolled with it when Ron made fun of him. Could that be attributable to the absence of Dave, whose mocking deeply annoyed Fez (where Ron's does not)?

ShowerBench,

Please tell him he has no excuses now that Dave is gone. We expect him to step up and talk and bring the funny to the show. We've had 2 days without Dave and Fez is still stuck in shirking mode, making Ron, Pepper, and Earl do all the talking. The excuse clock has run out.

This is a straw man. Who said that there is some requirement that Fez "talk more" in order for him to justify his presence on the show, or in order for the show to be great? I enjoy discussions between Ron, Pepper, and Earl, so have zero problem listening to those three "do all the talking" at times.

Where, exactly, does this idea that Fez has to put in a certain proportion of words per show, relative to others, come from? It's a meaningless criticism. "We expect him to step up..." Who's "we," and why, precisely, is his word count so important to you if the content is entertaining regardless of its source?

what did you listen to? dave never stepped over ron. they had better conversations than your precious fez. dave gave a lot to the show you're just too far up fez's ass to know that. dave was the better 2nd mic

It's not as much a matter of stepping over (though that occurred frequently) as Dave's forceful and frenetic personality not working well vs Ron. Comparing which "conversations" were better because the fluidity of a conversation begs the question, because that factor doesn't determine the quality of the content, and in some cases gets in the way.

[KC2OSO]

I am, however, one of those people that has a sense of history with the Ron and Fez show and knows that the show has survived major changes many times and remained a great show. All the dipshit acting like the show was done the second Dave left weren't real fans in the 1st place. The show was great with Dave but it's still great without him. He had to move on and we have to as well, as long as we're fans of The Ron and Fez show.

Well put Moe. Dave won't make or break the show. It's been through so many changes over the years and we've been able to follow it through some bizarre and wonderful times. I really hope for the best for Dave and his family. Good times are ahead.

[knockknock]

We should monitor the number of minutes Fez talks per show and send a chart of the data to Sirius. Perhaps they'll wake up and realize that without Dave there's no 2nd mic.

I fear Ron & Fez's contract won't be renewed when it expires. This is 100% Fez's fault. He sabotaged Ron, he sabotaged Dave, he sabotaged the show.

[johnnyneill]

Hope you'll be back on R&F, Dave.

If not, I'll try to listen wherever you go.

Love you ESD.

[Brad_Rush]

We should monitor the number of minutes Fez talks per show and send a chart of the data to Sirius. Perhaps they'll wake up and realize that without Dave there's no 2nd mic.

I fear Ron & Fez's contract won't be renewed when it expires. This is 100% Fez's fault. He sabotaged Ron, he sabotaged Dave, he sabotaged the show.

Go away!

[ChrisBrown]

Haven't had a chance to listen last couple of days. So, with Dave gone, how has Fez been?

[Death Metal Moe]

We should monitor the number of minutes Fez talks per show and send a chart of the data to Sirius. Perhaps they'll wake up and realize that without Dave there's no 2nd mic.

I fear Ron & Fez's contract won't be renewed when it expires. This is 100% Fez's fault. He sabotaged Ron, he sabotaged Dave, he sabotaged the show.

Well, your shitty argument was already picked apart by Showerbench so I don't have to.

If you don't like the show don't listen. I wouldn't waste my time tuning into Howard so I could log criticisms of his boring show to send into Sirius, I just don't listen.

[Kevin]

Haven't had a chance to listen last couple of days. So, with Dave gone, how has Fez been?

Gay?

[Death Metal Moe]

::secret::?



Fixed.

[Kublakhan61]

Finishing yesterdays show right now. Comet McDonald is a fucking heart-breaker in this context.

(I'm obviously of the camp that thinks this time its a shoot)

[n0thng2bdone]

i think fez is already turning it around: he said after the show he was still thinking about the mamet interview so he looked up ricky jay vids on youtube

[West.Coast.Skippy]

Good luck, Dave.

[Sue_Bender]

i think fez is already turning it around: he said after the show he was still thinking about the mamet interview so he looked up ricky jay vids on youtube

Wasn't that Pepper?

[Death Metal Moe]

I've got a quick question for the people who seem to want Fez to not talk, are busting his balls and get off on running him down:

What do you hope to gain by this happening? By "this" I mean not talking or participating in the show.

I guess you're hoping it will somehow prove that Dave was valuable, but not many on this message board have argued against that point. Almost all of us wanted Dave to get his raise and stay, but a lot of different people on many different levels all praising Dave couldn't do that, it really was no one's fault. Leaving a job is part of life sometimes and shitty situations that no one can really help pop up. It's called being a grown up and dealing with life.

So with that in mind, it just sounds like you want the Ron and Fez show to dry up and go away. In that case, why the fuck are you on a Ron and Fez message board? I mean I can't argue this specific point while defending the show over on Wackbag because that's just an O&A message board with a R&F section. But this is a Ron and Fez show fanboard. I see more than a few people with their Anti-Fez posts and it just doesn't make any sense. Why are you betting against half the show? Why are you hoping a guy with half his name on the show you supposedly like, will fail and make the show worse? You seem to relish the fact that Fez didn't jump right in on day 1 with a new attitude, no one expected him to. You are hoping that Dave leaving will be a catastrophe that the show can't recover from, there by proving you're "right" somehow, to someone, somewhere.

You make no sense even posting here.

[BlackFan]

I am pissed. Is this company that stupid? You can tell Opie holds back every day on the stuff he wants to say. You can tell Dave was playing it cool on SD on saturday and not blowing up. An executive producer leaves the show and sirius/xm doesn't replace him. Instead Dave and Pepper step up and absorb the load and I doubt they received any type of compensation. That is one whole income that sirius/xm saved for a long time that they could have used for his raise. And for those of you miniscule amount of Dave haters, the guy is hysterical. If you want to know how I know I am right...Ron and Fez...Opie and Anthony and Jimmy are some of the funniest people on earth and I have heard Dave have them laughing their asses off. He kills everytime he goes on O and A and they don't like too many other shows or their producers. So what do we do? The only way to hurt stupid execs is financially. All who support Dave could cancel for a month and then renew in a month but that would hurt OandA and RandF and they are my first priority. By the way my radio stays on 202 pretty much 99 percent of the time. I wish there was a way for them to know this. The only reason I have sirius/xm is because the band got back together. Aren't contracts coming up soon? Do they have any idea how many subscriptions they stand to lose if they mess with anyone on 202. I don't think that is the solution and telling them how stupid they are won't fix it. I am trying to stay calm and think of a way we can help the execs reconsider. So here it is. What if your subscription was one more dollar a year? I am not sure about the number but Dave has like 12000 or so followers on twitter. So that has to be nothing compared to the amount that listen to 202. Is it possible that there are at least 12000 202 listeners that don't even use twitter? Obviously not everyone can contribute but what if at least 10000 twitter followers and 10000 other 202 listeners give one dollar each and send it to sirius/xm and tell them we pick up the tab for Dave. Maybe their dumb asses could match it with another 20000. Dave's 35000 plus 20000 from us and the match...or whatever the raise they were going to give Dave and now were are talking. I really thought they were going to give him the raise and he said on SD that he thought so too. He handled the disappointment like a true pro and did the same thing he always does...made me freakin laugh.



Too long did not read.

[Perrynoid On Demand]

Jeez. When the hell did Fez become so hated? Busting balls is one thing, but I can't believe the way people are treating Fez on here. Is there even a question as to who is more valuable to the show? Dave or Fez? Gimmie a break man.

[Death Metal Moe]

Jeez. When the hell did Fez become so hated? Busting balls is one thing, but I can't believe the way people are treating Fez on here. Is there even a question as to who is more valuable to the show? Dave or Fez? Gimmie a break man.

It must be the newer fans. They have no idea the changes this show has gone through and come out the other side, stronger than ever.

People are morons.

[frye hole]

Wait a minute.

I'm totally shocked.

Tenbats worked in radio???????????

Who knew?




tee hee

[Brad_Rush]

I've got a quick question for the people who seem to want Fez to not talk, are busting his balls and get off on running him down:

What do you hope to gain by this happening? By "this" I mean not talking or participating in the show.

I guess you're hoping it will somehow prove that Dave was valuable, but not many on this message board have argued against that point. Almost all of us wanted Dave to get his raise and stay, but a lot of different people on many different levels all praising Dave couldn't do that, it really was no one's fault. Leaving a job is part of life sometimes and shitty situations that no one can really help pop up. It's called being a grown up and dealing with life.

So with that in mind, it just sounds like you want the Ron and Fez show to dry up and go away. In that case, why the fuck are you on a Ron and Fez message board? I mean I can't argue this specific point while defending the show over on Wackbag because that's just an O&A message board with a R&F section. But this is a Ron and Fez show fanboard. I see more than a few people with their Anti-Fez posts and it just doesn't make any sense. Why are you betting against half the show? Why are you hoping a guy with half his name on the show you supposedly like, will fail and make the show worse? You seem to relish the fact that Fez didn't jump right in on day 1 with a new attitude, no one expected him to. You are hoping that Dave leaving will be a catastrophe that the show can't recover from, there by proving you're "right" somehow, to someone, somewhere.

You make no sense even posting here.

Agree completely. If you just want to run Fez down, get the hell out of here!

[underdog]

Jeez. When the hell did Fez become so hated? Busting balls is one thing, but I can't believe the way people are treating Fez on here.

Yeah, I don't get it. There's no reason to attack Fez over this.

[The Ogre]

For a dude who constantly goed to the hackneyed "troll" shit when dealing with folks he doesn't agree with, Moe is trolling like a motherfucker in what is ostensibly a Dave tribute thread.

That being said, I'm done listening. Tried a couple shows this week, but the absurdity of Ron bringing in more folks to talk in place to the $400,000 man is too much.

The show needed to evolve like it did when it went from Ron & Ron to Ron & Fez. Since everyone involved except Dave is too selfish or useless to get this done, and since I don't care about Fez's awful attempts to contribute, fuck it. I'll just be a Special Delivery listener from here out.

[weswestchester]

This feels like a work to me.

When Earl left, Ron, Tanley, Fez, Dave, etc, immediately mocked him out for being essentially useless on air. They also discussed the pathetic lack of direction his life seemed to have at that point (he had no job lined up, and he appeared to have no prospects).

Yesterday, Ron and Tanley were making fun of Dave's "line in the sand," and were referencing what Dave would say if he were there on the show.

Given that Dave didn't want to leave, Ron didn't want him to leave, etc., it seems pretty clear that if this were a shoot, they wouldn't be making snyde comments about Dave's departure.

It's a work.

[metaregina]

It must be the newer fans. They have no idea the changes this show has gone through and come out the other side, stronger than ever.

People are morons.

Just want to say that I'm a "newer" fan and I love the show, especially Fezzie.

[Mitch&Murray]

Can a MOD or Admin (if there are any left here) please rename this thread
the ESD Fallout Shelter.

MEMO
ESD IS GONE
HES NOT COMING BACK
ITS THE RON AND FEZ SHOW

If all of ESDs synchophants want to run down Fez please do it here and leave the rest of the board to fans of the RON AND FEZ Show.
Thanks

[sailor]

This feels like a work to me.

When Earl left, Ron, Tanley, Fez, Dave, etc, immediately mocked him out for being essentially useless on air. They also discussed the pathetic lack of direction his life seemed to have at that point (he had no job lined up, and he appeared to have no prospects).

Yesterday, Ron and Tanley were making fun of Dave's "line in the sand," and were referencing what Dave would say if he were there on the show.

Given that Dave didn't want to leave, Ron didn't want him to leave, etc., it seems pretty clear that if this were a shoot, they wouldn't be making snyde comments about Dave's departure.

It's a work.

so, earl left and they mocked him. Then, Dave left and they mocked him. How does that prove Dave didn't really leave?

[weswestchester]

so, earl left and they mocked him. Then, Dave left and they mocked him. How does that prove Dave didn't really leave?

It proves that Dave didn't really leave, because when Earl left, he was mocked because he was utterly useless.

If Ron "went to bat" for Dave, cares about his career, and saw real value in him (the way he did Lilly), why would he genuinely make fun of his firing (or quitting, as the case may be)?

He wouldn't.

As Ron said yesterday, the last time he did this to ESD (years ago), he didn't even tell him it was a work.

[TripleSkeet]

Yeah, I don't get it. There's no reason to attack Fez over this.

I just addressed the people that blamed Dave for Fezs lack of contribution to the show. They swore up and down that Fez wanted to talk and that Dave bullied him on the mic. I said it was bullshit then and I say that right now proves it. Daves gone, Fez still doesnt talk.

For those saying he doesnt owe the fans anything, Its a fucking talk show. On a radio platform we PAY for. Its his show, if he cant contribute to it then he should find a new line of work.

Sorry, but my oponion was and still is that Dave was just as, if not more valuable then Fez. I dont really give a fuck how great the show was in 1999, I care about how good it is now.

[metaregina]

It proves that Dave didn't really leave, because when Earl left, he was mocked because he was utterly useless.

If Ron "went to bat" for Dave, cares about his career, and saw real value in him (the way he did Lilly), why would he genuinely make fun of his firing (or quitting, as the case may be)?

He wouldn't.

As Ron said yesterday, the last time he did this to ESD (years ago), he didn't even tell him it was a work.

This doesn't make sense to me. Earl left because he wanted to leave. Dave left because he can't afford to stay. Maybe it's because I didn't listen to today's show and I didn't hear what was said, but I don't think Ron is against making fun of anybody.


so, earl left and they mocked him. Then, Dave left and they mocked him. How does that prove Dave didn't really leave?
I was thinking the same thing...

[weswestchester]

This doesn't make sense to me. Earl left because he wanted to leave. Dave left because he can't afford to stay.

So Dave is leaving to take what job exactly?

Earl left because he was tired of being the butt of every single joke. Earl was constantly emasuclated and proven incompetent by everyone on the show. He couldn't take it any more.

Dave - on the other hand - could easily turn this job on R&F into big (or bigger) money by doing paid appearances; he can't do that without a presence on the show. Why would he give up these opportunites? And to do what instead?

Dave used to be no more valuable to the show than Harry the Intern. His growth on the show is just like Norton's. If you listen to early O&A/Norton shows, Norton is horrible. He had zero confidence, timing, or sense of self. Norton now destroys on O&A. Opie used to give him hell all the time for "having nothing today." Those days are long forgotten.

Dave was the same way. He was an annoying hot dog vendor who has become one of the most important elements of the show.

[knockknock]

The emperor has no clothes. The sycophants keep telling him he's fine and that "he's back!" But he's not. He's naked and curled up in a ball on the floor. We've known it for years. Stop making excuses for him and let Ron get a funny new partner.

[sailor]

Arguing why he's good on the show doesn't prove he is still there.

[weswestchester]

Arguing why he's good on the show doesn't prove he is still there.


I wasn't aware that ronfez.net was a court of law.

The burden of proof for this message board is far too high for me to meet.

[metaregina]

So Dave is leaving to take what job exactly?

Earl left because he was tired of being the butt of every single joke. Earl was constantly emasuclated and proven incompetent by everyone on the show. He couldn't take it any more.

Dave - on the other hand - could easily turn this job on R&F into big (or bigger) money by doing paid appearances; he can't do that without a presence on the show. Why would he give up these opportunites? And to do what instead?

Dave used to be no more valuable to the show than Harry the Intern. His growth on the show is just like Norton's. If you listen to early O&A/Norton shows, Norton is horrible. He had zero confidence, timing, or sense of self. Norton now destroys on O&A. Opie used to give him hell all the time for "having nothing today." Those days are long forgotten.

Dave was the same way. He was an annoying hot dog vendor who has become one of the most important elements of the show.

I don't want to get into an argument, but nothing you've said "proves" Dave didn't really leave the show. I'm confused because it doesn't seem to be that difficult to understand. Dave has been under a huge amount of stress. He was not making a lot of money doing the show, so he asked for a significant (thought not outrageous). Apparently, he didn't get the raise. He needs to explore other career opportunities, so he's left the show to do such.

[Melk]

So Dave is leaving to take what job exactly?

Earl left because he was tired of being the butt of every single joke. (...) He couldn't take it any more.

Dave - on the other hand - could easily turn this job on R&F into big (or bigger) money by doing paid appearances; he can't do that without a presence on the show.
I agree. Going by what happened on the show, Earl left because he was fed up with The Ron and Fez Show staff smothering him with criticism. He did what he thought the staff wanted him to do. They laughed at him, but they thought he was kidding at best and making a stupid decision at worst.

[daminik]

I've enjoyed this week's shows. Not everyone agrees, but I like more caller contributions and a pace that lends itself to less active listening, especially in their current time slot and over four hours. I'm not counting Fez's words, but as far as I have heard he's been "there" the last couple of days. Interestingly, he also didn't break down over the mistake today and rolled with it when Ron made fun of him. Could that be attributable to the absence of Dave, whose mocking deeply annoyed Fez (where Ron's does not)?


Where, exactly, does this idea that Fez has to put in a certain proportion of words per show, relative to others, come from? It's a meaningless criticism. "We expect him to step up..." Who's "we," and why, precisely, is his word count so important to you if the content is entertaining regardless of its source?



It's not as much a matter of stepping over (though that occurred frequently) as Dave's forceful and frenetic personality not working well vs Ron. Comparing which "conversations" were better because the fluidity of a conversation begs the question, because that factor doesn't determine the quality of the content, and in some cases gets in the way.

How can you say dave is forceful with ron. If that was the case, he would shut him up because ron is ron. He only had respect for ron and fez. the thing with fez is that he doesn't contribute anything interesting, that's why ron talked over him or just past over the dumb shit coming out of his mouth. Dave made fun of fez sometimes because he is funny and that's what funny people do, talk shit and rip on people. The quality of the show is awesome with ron and dave. They talk about music, sports, and life. not just little banter here and there, they get into it. everyone treats fez like their kid brother who is retarded. If you pick on a retard, you get yelled at. Whatever the retard says, you agree most of the time. When people say "fezies back!" that's bullshit cause he never was. you're just treating fez like your little retard brother.:thumbdown:

What kind of pace do you want the show? Ron and Dave had a perfect pace. It's slow as shit with fez having to step up and be the "2nd" mic. It was more fluent with ron starting, fez starts with his dumb shit that no one cares about and RON tramples on it. Then Dave helps pick it back up.

It's Ron and Fez show right? Well fez needs to contribute since it's his show not spit dumb shit out. He has shitty comments and shitty topics. The show is to be comedic not to be trampled on by a 10 ton pile of nothingness that fez brings.

[abomb999]

I'm a newer listener, been listening about a year and half. By now, Fez is unlistenable to me. Maybe he was this radio genius before I started listening, but now he always sounds the same.

Why couldn't they cut Fez's salery and give some to ESD. East side was obviously second mic for as long as I have been listening. It's BS that Fez stays and east side leaves. For the first time in a year and half I didn't listen to the show today. Yesterday's show was tolerable up until Fez started talking around 80 minutes in.

Today I don't want to subject myself to the audio torture that is Fez. If you're a Fez fan, great more power to you, this means the show is still great for you. But i was all about Ron + ESD, HTG, earl, etc...

With Dave on the show, Fez was tolerable, not any longer.

[keithy_19]

Just wanted to say I still enjoy Fez.

[ShowerBench]

That being said, I'm done listening. Tried a couple shows this week, but the absurdity of Ron bringing in more folks to talk in place to the $400,000 man is too much.

How many talk radio fans really evaluate the equity of performers' salaries and allow that to determine their enjoyment of the content? I'm going to guess about 0.

The goodbye cruel Sirius posts don't make a lot of sense. This week's shows with David Mamet, Earl circling the studio from above, callers weighing in on ideal bars, Fez reassuring Ron that it's OK to say college students eat Roman numerals - try finding that anywhere else.

Best show in the history of radio last week, best show in the history of radio this week.

[daminik]

Best show in the history of radio last week, best show in the history of radio this week.

Really? It's crazy that you really think the show has been good this week. I guess no one can change your thoughts of your little retard brother:sad:

[FatassTitePants]

I don't want to get into an argument, but nothing you've said "proves" Dave didn't really leave the show. I'm confused because it doesn't seem to be that difficult to understand. Dave has been under a huge amount of stress. He was not making a lot of money doing the show, so he asked for a significant (thought not outrageous). Apparently, he didn't get the raise. He needs to explore other career opportunities, so he's left the show to do such.

Dave did say a few weeks ago that he had about a month of off-time (not sure if he meant sick leave, vacation, or PTO). Ron said yesterday that Dave is taking a month to do what's best for his family. My guess is that it is neither a shoot nor a work. Dave is not working but he is getting paychecks for a few more weeks so we may or may not have seen the end of him...depending on what he finds for himself this month. Just a guess from a nerd.

[Brad_Rush]

I enjoy listening to Fez too!

[sailor]

I wasn't aware that ronfez.net was a court of law.

The burden of proof for this message board is far too high for me to meet.

not prove like that, silly. More like it doesn't explain why you think he's still here. "he's still there because he was good on the show" isn't any sort of logical argument. That's why you want him there, or why he should be there, nothing more.

[keithy_19]

Best show in the history of radio last week, best show in the history of radio this week.

http://www.filmbuffonline.com/FBOLNewsreel/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/orsonwelles.jpg

:unsure:

[The Ogre]

How many talk radio fans really evaluate the equity of performers' salaries and allow that to determine their enjoyment of the content? I'm going to guess about 0.

The goodbye cruel Sirius posts don't make a lot of sense. This week's shows with David Mamet, Earl circling the studio from above, callers weighing in on ideal bars, Fez reassuring Ron that it's OK to say college students eat Roman numerals - try finding that anywhere else.

Best show in the history of radio last week, best show in the history of radio this week.


Yeah. Like I'm really going to get dragged into a debate with you. Your message board character has made your opinion worth just about jack shit when it comes to Fez. Thanks, bye.

[danlaroe]

the show has been good this week. its just a different show now.
i dont understand why this happening makes people just attack each other and just speculate silly idea after silly idea.

maybe harry will come back if he hasnt already killed himself

[pretzelfinger]

Why couldn't they cut Fez's salery and give some to ESD. East side was obviously second mic for as long as I have been listening. It's BS that Fez stays and east side leaves. For the first time in a year and half I didn't listen to the show today. Yesterday's show was tolerable up until Fez started talking around 80 minutes in.



Love Fezzie, but that seems like a perfect solution. Grandma doesn't spend any money anyway, except on towels. Why not shift some of the resources over to the person who has stepped it up for the last four years.

[torker]

http://www.filmbuffonline.com/FBOLNewsreel/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/orsonwelles.jpg

:unsure:

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[Brad_Rush]

Love Fezzie, but that seems like a perfect solution. Grandma doesn't spend any money anyway, except on towels. Why not shift some of the resources over to the person who has stepped it up for the last four years.

that'd be managements decision, not fez or dave's

[K.C.]

the show has been good this week. its just a different show now.
i dont understand why this happening makes people just attack each other and just speculate silly idea after silly idea.

maybe harry will come ba ck if he hasnt already killed himself

Listened to a bit of Monday's show...not bad, as I liked Earl being in...him and Ron always play well of each other.

Today's I made it to the Bill Walton intro, punched out and never checked back in.

The discussion content isn't really good, and I have a feeling there's going to be an endless stream of RBIs and a revolving door of regular listener types on a daily basis in the immediate future.

[JPMNICK]

Listened to a bit of Monday's show...not bad, as I liked Earl being in...him and Ron always play well of each other.

Today's I made it to the Bill Walton intro, punched out and never checked back in.

The discussion content isn't really good, and I have a feeling there's going to be an endless stream of RBIs and a revolving door of regular listener types on a daily basis in the immediate future.

agreed i am sure they booked a ton of guests just to fill in some content until they find a new flow to the show.

i really hope they start bringing the interns in. that is when fez used to be at his best.

they need a weak producer like staples (not his producing ability, weak in life) to trash on too.

[danlaroe]

they played some great songs...most of which made you think about the absence of red..walton was good even though he has the super tall guy voice..hicks was good

[Sue_Bender]

The last two days haven't been horrible...

but I think it's easy to tell Ron is reaching.


Pepper logged A LOT of ON AIR minutes today.

[helterskeletor]

I listened for an hour and a half and didn't hear Fez's voice once. I guess Pep is holding him back now.

I'm really depressed that Dave is gone, and I made the horrible mistake of going to the Stan McDonald site today. Dave got used and tossed out by that faggot company and it makes me sick.

Fuck Sirius and fuck Fez. That old queen should have come out of pocket. He has absolutely no shame.

[samnyc]

I like Ron a lot but hearing him talk to himself for 4 hours is boring. The show is more interesting with people talking to each other, like Ron and Dave over the past several years.

Since Dave was such a good co host and had good chemistry with Ron and offered his services at a bargain rate, they should have not forced him out. How many people do you know who know and care as much about sports, music, tv, and movies and have strong opinions and are as funny as Dave? Really how could he be replaced?

Is it worth even talking about Fez at this point? What will it take for Fez to get interested in the show again? Now that Dave is gone when is Fez going to step up and talk on the radio? Tomorrow? This week? Next week? When will Fez apologize to Dave?

[Brad_Rush]

I listened for an hour and a half and didn't hear Fez's voice once. I guess Pep is holding him back now.

I'm really depressed that Dave is gone, and I made the horrible mistake of going to the Stan McDonald site today. Dave got used and tossed out by that faggot company and it makes me sick.

Fuck Sirius and fuck Fez. That old queen should have come out of pocket. He has absolutely no shame.

ronFEZ.net... you don't like it, leave

[helterskeletor]

ronFEZ.net... you don't like it, leave

Was he in studio today? I listened to about half the show and didn't hear a peep.

[indymike]

ronFEZ.net... you don't like it, leave

Seriously?

ewww

[torker]

ronFEZ.net... you don't like it, leave

ronron.net? kick'n it ole sckool
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[HBox]

ronron.net? kick'n it ole sckool
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Ron is suffering from Young Opie Voice Syndrome.

[HBox]

ronFEZ.net... you don't like it, leave

THESE FEZ TEARS DON'T RUN.

oh wait........

[Death Metal Moe]

For a dude who constantly goed to the hackneyed "troll" shit when dealing with folks he doesn't agree with, Moe is trolling like a motherfucker in what is ostensibly a Dave tribute thread.

That being said, I'm done listening. Tried a couple shows this week, but the absurdity of Ron bringing in more folks to talk in place to the $400,000 man is too much.

The show needed to evolve like it did when it went from Ron & Ron to Ron & Fez. Since everyone involved except Dave is too selfish or useless to get this done, and since I don't care about Fez's awful attempts to contribute, fuck it. I'll just be a Special Delivery listener from here out.

Look up the term "troll" before you try to identify others as one. It makes you looks like a fucking retard when you use a word incorrectly. Unless that was your intent....and if so, kudos.

And if you aren't enjoying a show, you're supposed to stop listening. I dropped O&A for awhile and have again recently for another break. You want a medal for informing us you stopped listening? Don't worry, the show is still funny to the rest of us.

[Death Metal Moe]

I also noticed no one answered my question, they just ignored my good points and kept plowing through with their Anit-Fez bullshit.

Guess that means I was right. Thanks for proving that.

[Melk]

Is it worth even talking about Fez at this point? What will it take for Fez to get interested in the show again? Now that Dave is gone when is Fez going to step up and talk on the radio? Tomorrow? This week? Next week? When will Fez apologize to Dave?
People wonder why Fez is paranoid.

Why should Fez apologize? Fez's personal problems created a spot for Dave to shine. On one hand, it was Dave's burden. I mean, he could've concentrated on being more of a behind-the-scenes producer if it weren't for Fez's problems. On the other hand, it helped build Dave build his fan base. Do you honestly think people would be as into Dave if it weren't for the mic time he received on Ron and Fez?

I liked Monday's episode. I thought that Ron did a really good job explaining the situation and praising Dave for his hard work and talent.

Side Note: If the Sirius/XM suits are reading this message board and the fan tweets carefully enough to identify screen names to Ron in meetings (as Ron mentioned on Monday), would it kill you to ask the people who appear to be anti-Dave (1) If they are anti-Dave, (2) Why they are anti-Dave and (3) if they are a subscriber. It might help you better understand your audience.

Also, if the suits are paying attention to the anti-Dave messages, they are darn sure paying attention to the anti-Fez talk. Imagine how that sensitive bowl of nervous pudding must feel right now.

I enjoyed hearing Earl again. I feel that if you can keep Earl focused, he is a great asset to music and sports discussions. He isn't great with the political discussions, but outside of Ron I don't think any of the show's staff is.

[midwestjeff]

i dont understand why this happening makes people just attack each other

I haven't been around much (you're welcome) so can someone tell me when danlaroe turned into a pussy?

Why couldn't they cut Fez's salery and give some to ESD.

The only time Fez's salery gets cut is when it's going in a delicious wrap.
Otherwise, the Big Cat takes it all.

Pepper logged A LOT of ON AIR minutes today.

Were there more than 20?

If so, how did you count them?

Did you have to use your fingers, toes, and genital warts?

[Pestz4Evah]

Don Geronimo is a member of the DavePound.

http://twitter.com/DonGeronimoShow/status/15751888865

[Death Metal Moe]

Why are you mouth breathers still trying to use the "Fez should give Dave part of his money" argument? Is that how the world works? And do we know what Dave and Fez both do, on and off the air? Is Dave's name on the show?

Dave and Fez both got their deals and work for them. That's it. The idea that you half-breed bean counters think Fez owes Dave something by adding up on air talk time is fucking retarded.

[underdog]

I also noticed no one answered my question, they just ignored my good points and kept plowing through with their Anit-Fez bullshit.

Guess that means I was right. Thanks for proving that.

Do you have me on ignore, like everyone else?

[Death Metal Moe]

Do you have me on ignore, like everyone else?

I don't, but I also don't see you replying to my question a couple pages back. I see you quoting Perrynoid right after what I accused Fez-haters of.

[dommer]

I've got a quick question for the people who seem to want Fez to not talk, are busting his balls and get off on running him down:

What do you hope to gain by this happening? By "this" I mean not talking or participating in the show.

I guess you're hoping it will somehow prove that Dave was valuable, but not many on this message board have argued against that point. Almost all of us wanted Dave to get his raise and stay, but a lot of different people on many different levels all praising Dave couldn't do that, it really was no one's fault. Leaving a job is part of life sometimes and shitty situations that no one can really help pop up. It's called being a grown up and dealing with life.

So with that in mind, it just sounds like you want the Ron and Fez show to dry up and go away. In that case, why the fuck are you on a Ron and Fez message board? I mean I can't argue this specific point while defending the show over on Wackbag because that's just an O&A message board with a R&F section. But this is a Ron and Fez show fanboard. I see more than a few people with their Anti-Fez posts and it just doesn't make any sense. Why are you betting against half the show? Why are you hoping a guy with half his name on the show you supposedly like, will fail and make the show worse? You seem to relish the fact that Fez didn't jump right in on day 1 with a new attitude, no one expected him to. You are hoping that Dave leaving will be a catastrophe that the show can't recover from, there by proving you're "right" somehow, to someone, somewhere.

You make no sense even posting here.

Moe, I can't speak for everyone, but for me, it's two things:

1)Sometimes it is simply catharsis to complain about Fez to other like-minded people. It seems most people who express an opinion on the matter feel that he adds nothing to the show, and in fact makes it worse. It's the same reason I complain to other Mets fans when they make a bad move or when one of their players does something stupid or lazy.

2)Secondly, I suppose on some level the fans hope the message will somehow get up to Ron. Perhaps the limits of his loyalty will be found, and he'll move in a different direction. For me the show is the Ron show. It always has been. I don't want the show to die. I want the cancer removed from it so that it can improve.

Moe, let me ask you a question. If Fez didn't show up to work today, would the show have been better or worse? Did he say things that made you laugh? Did he say things that made you think about a topic in a new way, or from a new perspective? Does it not annoy you at all when he starts crying, or turning every issue into a reflection on societal homophobia?

No disrespect intended to you. I know you're a big fan of Fez. Everyone has their opinions. No reason to turn it into a fight.

[midwestjeff]

Is Dave's name on the show?

DO YOU SEE A SIGN THAT SAYS "DAVE'S NAME STORAGE" ABOVE MY STUDIO??!!!

[Death Metal Moe]

Moe, I can't speak for everyone, but for me, it's two things:

1)Sometimes it is simply catharsis to complain about Fez to other like-minded people. It seems most people who express an opinion on the matter feel that he adds nothing to the show, and in fact makes it worse. It's the same reason I complain to other Mets fans when they make a bad move or when one of their players does something stupid or lazy.

2)Secondly, I suppose on some level the fans hope the message will somehow get up to Ron. Perhaps the limits of his loyalty will be found, and he'll move in a different direction. For me the show is the Ron show. It always has been. I don't want the show to die. I want the cancer removed from it so that it can improve.

Moe, let me ask you a question. If Fez didn't show up to work today, would the show have been better or worse? Did he say things that made you laugh? Did he say things that made you think about a topic in a new way, or from a new perspective? Does it not annoy you at all when he starts crying, or turning every issue into a reflection on societal homophobia?

No disrespect intended to you. I know you're a big fan of Fez. Everyone has their opinions. No reason to turn it into a fight.

I wasn't turning it into a fight, I was simply asking the Fez-haters what their motivation was.

So you want your "message to get up to Ron." You think Ron doesn't have an idea what Fez's on air condition is most days? I think there is no person on this planet with a clearer picture of Fez's actual condition. Yet he continues to work with him. Says a lot to me. Kinda speaks volumes.

And yes, when Fez isn't there I notice. Fez's role has changed over the years but during just about every conversation he has a comment or snipe that makes me laugh. I like Fez. I'm not sure why that's hard for people to understand. I can rationalize that people like something I don't. I hate sports but I can accept and understand people actually like it for some odd reason. So I don't see why people find it so hard to believe people still like Fez and find him funny.

[Death Metal Moe]

DO YOU SEE A SIGN THAT SAYS "DAVE'S NAME STORAGE" ABOVE MY STUDIO??!!!

No, but I do see one now that says 'Redheads need not apply.':devil2:

[Brad_Rush]

Seriously?

ewww

yes, seriously. If all you people think Fez is ruining the show and it isn't worth listening to now that it is just Ron and Fez again, why are you still here? Quit bitching and just leave. It is one thing to be constructive, but just to sit here are cry and moan and attack a host of the show seems pathetic to me.

[TripleSkeet]

I also noticed no one answered my question, they just ignored my good points and kept plowing through with their Anit-Fez bullshit.

Guess that means I was right. Thanks for proving that.

I think nobody answered it because your question made no sense. You asked all the people that DIDNT WANT FEZZIE TO TALK. Who exactly are you talking about? Most of the complaints about Fez I see are because he doesnt talk, or he only talks about the same bullshit every show (gay rights, phobia, etc.)

More people have a problem because he dont talk then because he does.

[TripleSkeet]

And for the record, I dont want Fezzie to leave, because he provides entertainment for the show when Ron rips on him as well. The problem is if thats all the show is, it gets old. You have to have give or take conversations, people that enjoy and have opinions on all sorts of topics. That may have been Fez at one time, its not now.

In my head for the last few years Ive been listening to the Ron & Dave show featuring Fez. (with an appearance by Pepper Hicks) And that was fine, I loved it. I didnt want to see Fez leave. I just think it was a much bigger loss to lose Dave.

And also, I dont blame Fez. In reality its a management decision and anyone thats ever worked in a corporate environment should know by now that corporate executives couldnt spot new creative talent if it hit them with a fucking sledgehammer. They wait for someone else to find or develop that talent and then steal them away using big money. Its the corporate way when it comes to anything creative.

[pillsaregood]

It must be the newer fans. They have no idea the changes this show has gone through and come out the other side, stronger than ever.

People are morons.

You keep saying newer fans as if Fez hasn't sucked for like five years now.

We have been loyal for five years and these opinions about Dave being better than Fez are five years old.

You and guys like Perry are the minority.

The old timers who still like Fez for what he did back at WNEW.

Things evolve. The show evolved. And when it did Dave and Ron were the reasons people were listening, not Fez.

All you are anymore is the #1 Fez apologist. Such a tired act. We get it, you love Fez even though you know there are times you sit and wonder why.

The guy is a black hole and in time the entire show will be gobbled up by his misery.

At that point the Death Metal Moe who was a loyal Ron and Fez Show listener won't exist anymore because the show won't exist anymore

People are morons. People like you.

[Space Edge]

Don Geronimo is a member of the DavePound.

http://twitter.com/DonGeronimoShow/status/15751888865

Dave should try and hook up with Don maybe move out to Sacramento and do the show with him. It's on a Sports station maybe he could also get a side show going.

[knockknock]

Here's the gap caused by Dave's absence. The past few years the show's running lines have been:

1. Dave - stunts, wedding, fatherhood, etc.
2. Fez's mental decline
3. Gay rights
4. Earl's so called fuckups.
5. Talk about pop culture
6. Talk about sports
7. Talk about music
8. Talk about movies
9. Talk about about life, the universe, drugs

Fez is only able to contribute to 2 topics at this time: his mental decline and Gay rights. (I fully support gay rights.)

Dave functioned as the Karl Pilkington to Ron's Ricky Gervais. He could be the butt of jokes, the teaser, the dunce, the talk-about-anything. Dave also added hetero talk.

We all wish Fez was his former self, but at this point he's there in an honorary role. Kind of like Larry King, Dick Clark, or Mohammad Ali.

[Melk]

You and guys like Perry are the minority.
The old timers who still like Fez for what he did back at WNEW.
All you are anymore is the #1 Fez apologist. Such a tired act. We get it, you love Fez even though you know there are times you sit and wonder why.
I am one of the people who became a Ron and Fez fan when they started on XM. I prefer listening to Fez's problems more than I do Dave's.

[KC2OSO]

You keep saying newer fans as if Fez hasn't sucked for like five years now.

We have been loyal for five years and these opinions about Dave being better than Fez are five years old.

You and guys like Perry are the minority.

The old timers who still like Fez for what he did back at WNEW.

Things evolve. The show evolved. And when it did Dave and Ron were the reasons people were listening, not Fez.

All you are anymore is the #1 Fez apologist. Such a tired act. We get it, you love Fez even though you know there are times you sit and wonder why.

The guy is a black hole and in time the entire show will be gobbled up by his misery.

At that point the Death Metal Moe who was a loyal Ron and Fez Show listener won't exist anymore because the show won't exist anymore

People are morons. People like you.

You have no faith because you ain't been around. Hang out and see what happens. Or, follow Dave on to his next gig. You are welcome to do both, neither, one, or the other.

I'm starving for a NWO Bilderburger.

[Pestz4Evah]

Dave should try and hook up with Don maybe move out to Sacramento and do the show with him. It's on a Sports station maybe he could also get a side show going.

Don has said there won't be a supporting cast (http://twitter.com/DonGeronimoShow/status/14721125979), BUT he has also said he is a fan of ESD. (http://twitter.com/DonGeronimoShow/status/14235559362)

[hanso]

These r&f producers should have a lawyer draw up a contract stating someting about airtime. Not only should Dave have been paid more. He is owed back pay. A good lawyer could get that for him.

[A.J.]

Don has said there won't be a supporting cast (http://twitter.com/DonGeronimoShow/status/14721125979), BUT he has also said he is a fan of ESD. (http://twitter.com/DonGeronimoShow/status/14235559362)

That's cool of Don.

[danlaroe]

[QUOTE=midwestjeff;2727015]I haven't been around much (you're welcome) so can someone tell me when danlaroe turned into a pussy?


good one

i just dont see how people blaming this one or saying this one should give up his paycheck helps anyone in the long run, its just one of those things that will take time to get used to.

im still the baddest person here fuckos

lets start working on the softball game. maybe we can dave out there. maybe we could all chip in on a gift card or something for him to show him out appreciation for what he has given us

MPW for ESD

[Chigworthy]

Dave should try and hook up with Don maybe move out to Sacramento and do the show with him. It's on a Sports station maybe he could also get a side show going.

Dave will fit right in out here in CA, or as I like to call it, "The Left Coast", LOL.

[ozzie]

Don has said there won't be a supporting cast (http://twitter.com/DonGeronimoShow/status/14721125979), BUT he has also said he is a fan of ESD. (http://twitter.com/DonGeronimoShow/status/14235559362)

Like him or not, Don G has to be another great contact to have if you're trying to get a gig in radio. He's one of the few that really seemed to be involved in the "business" side of radio while he was on the air, and must have a huge list of contacts.

With that, and his support from O&A, R&F, and the programming dept of Sirius/xm, I hope Dave takes full advantage and keeps trying to get on air somewhere, even if it's part time.

You're too talented to be working at Costco, Davey.

[YourAmishDaddy]

Wow. Ron and Ant in a few minutes on a live read...Classic. Amazing what happens when you have someone to bounce off of. Goddamn shame.

[Death Metal Moe]

You keep saying newer fans as if Fez hasn't sucked for like five years now.

We have been loyal for five years and these opinions about Dave being better than Fez are five years old.

You and guys like Perry are the minority.

The old timers who still like Fez for what he did back at WNEW.

Things evolve. The show evolved. And when it did Dave and Ron were the reasons people were listening, not Fez.

All you are anymore is the #1 Fez apologist. Such a tired act. We get it, you love Fez even though you know there are times you sit and wonder why.

The guy is a black hole and in time the entire show will be gobbled up by his misery.

At that point the Death Metal Moe who was a loyal Ron and Fez Show listener won't exist anymore because the show won't exist anymore

People are morons. People like you.

Well that's a lie right off the bat because Dave hasn't been a strong on air personality for 5 years, he was a stunt boy for a long time before he was more of a go-to guy on air.

I'm well aware that today's Fez is a lot different than WNEW era Fez and I still like him. It's not blind faith it's my opinion. And yours isn't fact. And no one gives a shit about your opinion.

I never sit and wonder why I'm a Fez fan. I'm glad for everyday I have the Ron and Fez show on the air with Ron Bennington and Fez Whatley.

So go back to lurking with your shit opinions.

[Rhah]

Well that's a lie right off the bat because Dave hasn't been a strong on air personality for 5 years, he was a stunt boy for a long time before he was more of a go-to guy on air.

I'm well aware that today's Fez is a lot different than WNEW era Fez and I still like him. It's not blind faith it's my opinion. And yours isn't fact. And no one gives a shit about your opinion.

I never sit and wonder why I'm a Fez fan. I'm glad for everyday I have the Ron and Fez show on the air with Ron Bennington and Fez Whatley.

So go back to lurking with your shit opinions.

Moe, you have strong convictions and ideas...

I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

[Warren Peace]

I I think there is no person on this planet with a clearer picture of Fez's actual condition. Yet he continues to work with him. Says a lot to me. Kinda speaks volumes.

It says "iron-clad contract"

[Warren Peace]

Moe, you have strong convictions and ideas...

I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Intel, is that you? sincerely, Jersey

[ShowerBench]

All you are anymore is the #1 Fez apologist.

well..

[Death Metal Moe]

I figured Showerbench would have a problem with that specific accusation.

[BlackFan]

Why are you mouth breathers still trying to use the "Fez should give Dave part of his money" argument? Is that how the world works? And do we know what Dave and Fez both do, on and off the air? Is Dave's name on the show?

Dave and Fez both got their deals and work for them. That's it. The idea that you half-breed bean counters think Fez owes Dave something by adding up on air talk time is fucking retarded.

Moe i agree with alot of the stuff you say. But in this case its just kinda wrong. Fez has been hanging in the background for hours at a time not speaking at all. When Ron is reading PalTalk messages that say "tell Fezzy to say hi so we know he's there" its a little fucked up that he gets paid the big bucks and Dave can't even afford to make a profit on working for them. Dave was carrying his own weight on the show and Fez's as well. Fez had a long time to go up to Dave and give him something as a thank you for covering him,but he didn't. Ron hinted to this on air a few times.

[indymike]

I miss Dave - I can't wait to hear him on Saturday Night.

Here is a video he posted last night after the NBA game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQNRL1dmEHY

[PD]

Best show in the history of radio last week, best show in the history of radio this week.

You have GOT to be kidding. Even Ronnie B wouldn't say that this week is the best show in history of radio.

[PD]

Oh and for the record, I hope Fez can return to his pre-heart attack days, but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate what ESD did for the show. I don't understand why some think those ideas are mutually exclusive.

[badorties]

I miss Dave - I can't wait to hear him on Saturday Night.

Here is a video he posted last night after the NBA game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQNRL1dmEHY

i'm confused, dave quit the paid gig but will still schlep in for a no-pay gig with the same company?

or did i miss something>

[disneyspy]

i'm confused, dave quit the paid gig but will still schlep in for a no-pay gig with the same company?

or did i miss something>

ya, he's gettin paid for special delivery now

[bolobat]

as far as dave's exit is concerned. But I know, from with the long line producers who have left R&F since the dot.com days, I'll get over it.

That said, something tells me it is a work.

[badorties]

ya, he's gettin paid for special delivery now

didn't Spaz try this a decade ago?

[PD]

as far as dave's exit is concerned. But I know, from with the long line producers who have left R&F since the dot.com days, I'll get over it.

That said, something tells me it is a work.
something is wrong.

[disneyspy]

didn't Spaz try this a decade ago?

why the hell are you asking me?

what'd you hear?

i aint sayin shit

[bolobat]

thats one of the beauties of O&A and R&F, you never can be 100% sure, even when Casey posts that its not a bit. Time will tell.

[abomb999]

"Well that's a lie right off the bat because Dave hasn't been a strong on air personality for 5 years" - DeathMetalFag

Dude, this is blatantly bullshit, get the fuck off this Dave support thread. You're just spouting bullshit. You know damn well Dave has been carrying Fez's part for at least the last few years. Ron has been lamenting Dave's absence since Dave left.

Do you really have nothing better to do then hang out in this Dave thread and spout your useless contributions?

[ShowerBench]

You have GOT to be kidding. Even Ronnie B wouldn't say that this week is the best show in history of radio.

As in "The Ron and Fez Show was the best show in the history of radio last week, and continues to be the best show in the history of radio this week."

[disneyspy]

As in "The Ron and Fez Show was the best show in the history of radio last week, and continues to be the best show in the history of radio this week."

obviously you didnt hear that week back on the ron n ron show when fez had "amnesia",me and the guy i carpooled with would be late to work that week because we couldnt leave the radio it was so damn great

[BlackFan]

"Well that's a lie right off the bat because Dave hasn't been a strong on air personality for 5 years" - DeathMetalFag

Dude, this is blatantly bullshit, get the fuck off this Dave support thread. You're just spouting bullshit. You know damn well Dave has been carrying Fez's part for at least the last few years. Ron has been lamenting Dave's absence since Dave left.

Do you really have nothing better to do then hang out in this Dave thread and spout your useless contributions?

Dave hasn't been a big on air personality for five years its been more like 2 or 3.
Sure he had time on air like any producer but he's never had the role he has now.

[spoon]

just tell me someone made the obvious animal house ref

[hurlmon]

I wasn't turning it into a fight, I was simply asking the Fez-haters what their motivation was.

So you want your "message to get up to Ron." You think Ron doesn't have an idea what Fez's on air condition is most days? I think there is no person on this planet with a clearer picture of Fez's actual condition. Yet he continues to work with him. Says a lot to me. Kinda speaks volumes.

And yes, when Fez isn't there I notice. Fez's role has changed over the years but during just about every conversation he has a comment or snipe that makes me laugh. I like Fez. I'm not sure why that's hard for people to understand. I can rationalize that people like something I don't. I hate sports but I can accept and understand people actually like it for some odd reason. So I don't see why people find it so hard to believe people still like Fez and find him funny.

Yes it speaks volumes but many things can be taken from it.

Could Ron be a very loyal and stand up guy helping a good friend?
Sure , probably started that way but for how long he's been doing it he is starting to look like the rubes he pokes fun at. If you were Ron and were in his situation and kept giving said person advice on how to help themsleves and your partnership and they do nothing would you carry them forever?

Could he also be a guy just riding out the end of a contract?
Ron doesn't defend Fez like he had in the past ('JFK PD rant) and now even makes comments about him holding back his (Ron's) career, stealing from XM/Sirius everytime he deposits his paycheck, etc.

I can understand liking Fez, he seems like a nice guy, but being nice doesn't make him a radio personality, in fact I think he has lost the personality that made him a good second mic. T pops in once in a while but not enough.

Now do I want to see The Ron And Fez show go away? Hell no, but it's more of a I don't want Ron to go away. Yeah Fez's name is on the show, but not his imprint. That was lost long ago when he stopped contributing as much.

I think the Fez bashers are coming out because many people wanted to blame Dave's on mic antics and his increase in air time over the years to be a/the cause of Fez's issues and now that Fez hasn't talked more than normal they want to pound their chest and say "ah ha, see I was right".

May be Fez losing the show or second mic officially could be the bottom he needs to get his shit back together. I'd rather it didn't happen but...

[Hottub]

just tell me someone made the obvious animal house ref

Actually we were waiting for a hack like yourself to do it.

[Old Gravy Leg]

Ron doesn't defend Fez like he had in the past ('JFK PD rant) and now even makes comments about him holding back his (Ron's) career, stealing from XM/Sirius every time he deposits his paycheck, etc.

I have noticed when Fez brings up a topic Ron rarely wants to run with it or when fez makes a comment there is a silence then Ron will attack him for his ignorance or just not acknowledge the comment.It makes me wonder if Ron is tired of Fez and his BS. You can handle the mentally ill for so long before it becomes ponderous.

Or, here comes "the Ron Bennington" show

[ozzie]

just tell me someone made the obvious animal house ref

The Irish bombed Pearl Harbor?

[spoon]

Actually we were waiting for a hack like yourself to do it.

You must have been too busy as always licking ball bag and taint.

[spoon]

The Irish bombed Pearl Harbor?

http://www.eastlansingbars.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/irish-car-bomb.jpg

[daminik]

I have noticed when Fez brings up a topic Ron rarely wants to run with it or when fez makes a comment there is a silence then Ron will attack him for his ignorance or just not acknowledge the comment.It makes me wonder if Ron is tired of Fez and his BS. You can handle the mentally ill for so long before it becomes ponderous.

Or, here comes "the Ron Bennington" show

you're right, i think ron is tired of fez's dumb shit coming out of his mouth but i don't think he will go against fez. When you listen to the show, you get a feeling of who ron really is and you can tell that he won't back stab anyone. Even though he knows dave carries the show better than fez. He will NEVER come out and say that because of there long history together.

[Dell]

You must have been too busy as always licking ball bag and taint.

damn tease...

[ChrisBrown]

I hear Fez has been great last couple of days. I haven't had a chance to listen.

[YourAmishDaddy]

My point is this. And over the years like when Ron and Fez first got to NY the show worked better then.But overall if you compare life stories Ron Bennington has lived more life and done way more shit than the average person. And his stories are like your cool uncle pulling you to the side and sharing knowledge.

I live for that as far as the show goes. When Dave was there he was the outlet for Ron to share his knowledge. So it was like if one of us were there and he was talking to us. When it's just Ron and Fez Ron is like he has to babysit now. Overall Fez doesn't have the life experiences and the passion for anything. When he used to rail on interns and pop off at people in the media and tv shows and stuff he was at his best. Now he doesn't even do that.

Stick Ron in the middle of a crowd like today with Stanhope and Lewis Black and Anthony. And it's classic. It's fucking like watching extra scenes from Goodfellas. That shit is the best when Ron is just carrying on and riffing with other people who actually get what he's talking about.

Then take the same man and watch him trying to engage Hicks in a convo on air. Then just as it heats up here's Fez talking about something 180 degrees different. His segues are like fucking sledgehammers.He can't be part of a convo like that cause he's never been there before or done that before. And before his sickness he could roll with that and still make it interesting.

It's like you and your friends gathered in a circle talking. And then your mother says something and deflates the whole mood.

It wasn't like this ten years ago. Fez was amazing for a long time. He's still one of my favorite people on this shitty planet. As a person I'd do anything for him to get better and be happy for once. But on air nowadays he's just painful.

And no matter my personal feelings about the man himself to listen to Ron and Hicks going into a convo about the old culture of New York and how it used to be and then Fez piping in about prostate cancer isn't fucking entertaining. And anyone here no matter who you are that says it is is lying. Point blank.

So that's my problem. At least be honest about it. The show is what it is. Take it or leave it. But stop being dishonest about it. At best it's an on air intervention and gay topics. At worst it's a few cool guys talking and grandma fucking up the flow. The dynamic will never change if no one has the balls, including Ron, to acknowledge it.

And if that's how the show will be then it's not on them, but on me to decide if I still want to be a part it's listenership after 10 years. But I refuse to lie to myself and act like it's fantastic.

[GT06...what]

At worst it's a few cool guys talking and grandma fucking up the flow.

It really does feel that way sometimes. Your post is spot on.

[spoon]

It really does feel that way sometimes. Your post is spot on.

the part you posted is the only part I'll ever read of that book he posted

however, the people in that room are hardly cool as you put the equation but misfits to put it kindly...especially if you include all those fucking rejects they constantly bore us to death with who have no fucking lives outside of sucking a host's dick

[YourAmishDaddy]

the part you posted is the only part I'll ever read of that book he posted

The choice is yours. The reason I post at length sometimes is cause I actually think about what I'm saying. Because it means something. And that I'm not on here trying to stir shit.

[spoon]

read that one, well done amishdaddy

choice has indeed been made

yet unlike ur post, mine is based on fact, not opinion

[YourAmishDaddy]

Well then, all is fine and dandy.

[spoon]

Well then, all is fine and dandy.

:wink: I read it too. Just being a smart ass as usual. Trust me, I've put some "War & Peace" posts out there myself too asshole. I'm pissed ur stealing my angle!

[YourAmishDaddy]

:wink: I read it too. Just being a smart ass as usual. Trust me, I've put some "War & Peace" posts out there myself too asshole. I'm pissed ur stealing my angle!

Ha. I may post a few times a week then be gone a month. Gotta go for impact I guess.

I do try to tell myself I'm not Keith Olbermann. I really do.

[daminik]

My point is this. And over the years like when Ron and Fez first got to NY the show worked better then.But overall if you compare life stories Ron Bennington has lived more life and done way more shit than the average person. And his stories are like your cool uncle pulling you to the side and sharing knowledge.

I live for that as far as the show goes. When Dave was there he was the outlet for Ron to share his knowledge. So it was like if one of us were there and he was talking to us. When it's just Ron and Fez Ron is like he has to babysit now. Overall Fez doesn't have the life experiences and the passion for anything. When he used to rail on interns and pop off at people in the media and tv shows and stuff he was at his best. Now he doesn't even do that.

Stick Ron in the middle of a crowd like today with Stanhope and Lewis Black and Anthony. And it's classic. It's fucking like watching extra scenes from Goodfellas. That shit is the best when Ron is just carrying on and riffing with other people who actually get what he's talking about.

Then take the same man and watch him trying to engage Hicks in a convo on air. Then just as it heats up here's Fez talking about something 180 degrees different. His segues are like fucking sledgehammers.He can't be part of a convo like that cause he's never been there before or done that before. And before his sickness he could roll with that and still make it interesting.

It's like you and your friends gathered in a circle talking. And then your mother says something and deflates the whole mood.

It wasn't like this ten years ago. Fez was amazing for a long time. He's still one of my favorite people on this shitty planet. As a person I'd do anything for him to get better and be happy for once. But on air nowadays he's just painful.

And no matter my personal feelings about the man himself to listen to Ron and Hicks going into a convo about the old culture of New York and how it used to be and then Fez piping in about prostate cancer isn't fucking entertaining. And anyone here no matter who you are that says it is is lying. Point blank.

So that's my problem. At least be honest about it. The show is what it is. Take it or leave it. But stop being dishonest about it. At best it's an on air intervention and gay topics. At worst it's a few cool guys talking and grandma fucking up the flow. The dynamic will never change if no one has the balls, including Ron, to acknowledge it.

And if that's how the show will be then it's not on them, but on me to decide if I still want to be a part it's listenership after 10 years. But I refuse to lie to myself and act like it's fantastic.

It's true, it's awesome listening to ron go off like he did on o and a. That's why they need dave. He and dave riff on shit all the time. Fez talks dumb then they hop over that pile of shit and start up the good conversations. Fez brings it down but i do need something to listen to. Now I listen to cavino and rich when ron and fez is on. i switch back and forth to see if ron and fez is listenable. If not then back to other shows. It sucks but the show gets annoying when fez has to talk more. fez.....boooooooo!

[fezident]

I love Fez.

It's worth mentioning that I miss East Side Dave MMMMACdonald but, I loves me some Fezzie.

Ron & Fez are sorta following the Penn & Teller business model. One guy won't stop talking passionately, while the other says (basically) nothing.
AND I AM COOL WITH THAT.

Fez brings what he brings. Yeah, he could be doing more. He'd be the first to say so.
But... the SHOW is the show. It's a mess... but every day is compelling, funny, thought provoking radio. No other show can communicate the way the R&F show does.

Ron is the soul. Fez is the heart.


You're the shit Fezzie. Everybody knows it but YOU.
Now rub some dirt in it and get back out there.


That's my two cents.



PS:
I miss you, ESD.

[ShowerBench]

But overall if you compare life stories Ron Bennington has lived more life and done way more shit than the average person. And his stories are like your cool uncle pulling you to the side and sharing knowledge. I live for that as far as the show goes. When Dave was there he was the outlet for Ron to share his knowledge. So it was like if one of us were there and he was talking to us.

Then take the same man and watch him trying to engage Hicks in a convo on air. Then just as it heats up here's Fez talking about something 180 degrees different. His segues are like fucking sledgehammers.He can't be part of a convo like that cause he's never been there before or done that before. And before his sickness he could roll with that and still make it interesting.

So that's my problem. At least be honest about it. The show is what it is. Take it or leave it. But stop being dishonest about it.

And if that's how the show will be then it's not on them, but on me to decide if I still want to be a part it's listenership after 10 years. But I refuse to lie to myself and act like it's fantastic.

By all means, don't lie to yourself.

But the fact is, many of us agree the shows this week have been great - and better than those in previous weeks when Dave was present. We are more entertained by Fez, Hicks and callers interacting with Ron than we were by Dave. I never despised Dave on the air like some do, but, while I enjoyed his gimmicks, I never thought his style or conversational contribution was entertaining or interesting when paired with Ron's.

Some of us just didn't enjoy the dynamic you describe of the avuncular, erudite man of the world imparting wisdom to the eager-to-agree 30-year-old boy as much as you did. Or as much as we liked the traditional model - two hosts busting the balls of producers and staffers who were grateful for it.

You might not be able to fathom that any more than we can fathom your preference but that's the way it is and there's nothing dishonest about it.

[midwestjeff]

Now I listen to cavino and rich when ron and fez is on. i switch back and forth to see if ron and fez is listenable. If not then back to other shows. It sucks but the show gets annoying when fez has to talk more. fez.....boooooooo!

You should join cavinorich.net and do your whining there.

After performing fellatio on your father, of course.

[Kublakhan61]

Here's my "my point is this":

No matter which side the coin falls to (is it a bit, yes or no?) we cannot change the course of the Ron and Fez Show by fighting over it and forcing each other into 'Have Dave' or Hate Fez' camps.

The only option we have as listeners is to kick back and listen in to see which direction the show has decided to take. Will we get:

1. A return of ESD after he's done hiding off mic for a few months in what would prove to be the longest con in R&F history? Who knows, ESD is worth it.

2. A show that features Ronnie B and The Golden Orphan. The Golden Orphan gets a recovering 'dad' who jams to Bar Music with him while they make jokes about the old timer?

3. A show where Fez talks 50% of the time? It would be weird but don't we love the weirdness? Isn't that why we're there?

Only they know where the show is headed, and that's a beautiful moment for a R&F listener. We are totally lost. The show is off its usual course and is finding its way toward the next wave. Let's just enjoy the fact that the show we love is still on.

...best thing going...

[ozzie]

SIAP... just got to the latter part of Monday's show on the commute home.

For those that were asking about the possibility of Fez giving up part of his salary to keep Dave, a caller called in with the same question during the 4th break on Monday's show, and Ron's response was that (paraphrasing), "Fez had the chance to do the right thing, and he didn't... so that's that". (I wish I had access to the audio here) For Audible listeners, circa 2:14:30.

I'd been in the Moe and Showerbench camp on that particular topic, that it wasn't Fez's place to compensate Dave, etc.... but it was an awkward and revealing moment on the show that I can't get past. Ron's response implied that it was a valid option, Fez chose not to do it, no one was going to "put a gun to anyone's head to do the right thing" (paraphrasing again), so let's move on.

I don't even know what else to say except that it was a rather revealing moment, that maybe Ron agreed that it was a reasonable idea for all concerned, but he wasn't going to force Fez to do anything.

Sorry if I'm fuelling the anti-Fez movement, but so many had disregarded this idea on here, when, in fact, apparently it was a viable option.

I hate to say it, but I now agree with some of the others, and really wish that Fez had "done the right thing", and was able to come out the hero in all of this.

Fezzie, I love you brother, and I hope that everything works out for you and the show.

I feel really dirty right now.

[underdog]

By all means, don't lie to yourself.

But the fact is, many of us agree the shows this week have been great - and better than those in previous weeks when Dave was present. We are more entertained by Fez, Hicks and callers interacting with Ron than we were by Dave. I never despised Dave on the air like some do, but, while I enjoyed his gimmicks, I never thought his style or conversational contribution was entertaining or interesting when paired with Ron's.

Some of us just didn't enjoy the dynamic you describe of the avuncular, erudite man of the world imparting wisdom to the eager-to-agree 30-year-old boy as much as you did. Or as much as we liked the traditional model - two hosts busting the balls of producers and staffers who were grateful for it.

You might not be able to fathom that any more than we can fathom your preference but that's the way it is and there's nothing dishonest about it.

Even if people agree with you, no one wants you talking for them.

[midwestjeff]

Even if people agree with you, no one wants you talking for them.

I do, but only in The People's Court.

[daminik]

By all means, don't lie to yourself.

But the fact is, many of us agree the shows this week have been great - and better than those in previous weeks when Dave was present. We are more entertained by Fez, Hicks and callers interacting with Ron than we were by Dave. I never despised Dave on the air like some do, but, while I enjoyed his gimmicks, I never thought his style or conversational contribution was entertaining or interesting when paired with Ron's.

Some of us just didn't enjoy the dynamic you describe of the avuncular, erudite man of the world imparting wisdom to the eager-to-agree 30-year-old boy as much as you did. Or as much as we liked the traditional model - two hosts busting the balls of producers and staffers who were grateful for it.

You might not be able to fathom that any more than we can fathom your preference but that's the way it is and there's nothing dishonest about it.

Haha you're hilarious. What the hell does fez say that's entertaining? Please tell me 1 instance. Why the fuck do you think ron steps over his subject matter or just keeps quiet while fez tries to make a point which NEVER happens You can hear a pin drop after fez tries to make some dumb subject entertaining. The show this week has been shit, some good people in for interviews but besides that, boooo. Ron is good as usual but he cannot carry a show by himself. Thank goodness hicks is there. I enjoy his comments. Fez is not funny, he tries but who the hell actually laughs. You can tell in the past shows when fez tries to make a funny remark, some people chuckle but you can tell they're just doing that because they feel bad for fez because he actually tries hard but FAILS miserably. Stop treating him like a retard that you always have to protect. Give me an example when fez was funny this week. You can't because it NEVER happened. Take your head out of his ass and treat him like a person that you just listened to for the first time. If you do this, you will understand that fez is worthless. A sack of shit on the chair.

By the way, do you really think using some BIG words will actually make your statement true? "avuncular, erudite man" looking in a dictionary are you? Like I said before, you're hilarious.

[ShowerBench]

Even if people agree with you, no one wants you talking for them.

Of course there's no way of knowing that.

[underdog]

Of course there's no way of knowing that.

I know everything, Sally.

[ShowerBench]

Haha you're hilarious. What the hell does fez say that's entertaining? Please tell me 1 instance. Give me an example when fez was funny this week. You can't because it NEVER happened.

Caller calculates Fez's age based on being 15 years younger than Joan Rivers

Ron: Look, I'm not getting into this - no one should reveal a lady's age

Fez: Thank you

[Chigworthy]

SIAP... just got to the latter part of Monday's show on the commute home.

For those that were asking about the possibility of Fez giving up part of his salary to keep Dave, a caller called in with the same question during the 4th break on Monday's show, and Ron's response was that (paraphrasing), "Fez had the chance to do the right thing, and he didn't... so that's that". (I wish I had access to the audio here) For Audible listeners, circa 2:14:30.

I'd been in the Moe and Showerbench camp on that particular topic, that it wasn't Fez's place to compensate Dave, etc.... but it was an awkward and revealing moment on the show that I can't get past. Ron's response implied that it was a valid option, Fez chose not to do it, no one was going to "put a gun to anyone's head to do the right thing" (paraphrasing again), so let's move on.

I don't even know what else to say except that it was a rather revealing moment, that maybe Ron agreed that it was a reasonable idea for all concerned, but he wasn't going to force Fez to do anything.

Sorry if I'm fuelling the anti-Fez movement, but so many had disregarded this idea on here, when, in fact, apparently it was a viable option.

I hate to say it, but I now agree with some of the others, and really wish that Fez had "done the right thing", and was able to come out the hero in all of this.

Fezzie, I love you brother, and I hope that everything works out for you and the show.

I feel really dirty right now.

Before the ultimatum(s), I remember Ron asking Fez if he was comfortable with his paycheck in reference to the amount that the Dave was doing on the show compared to him. Fez didn't respond. Ultimately, it is not Fez or Ron's obligation to support their coworkers. I guarantee most people wouldn't give up a percentage to help a coworker retain his job; my department is going through this in relation to budget cuts, and the majority are not going to sacrifice their income to save a person from termination.

Now, let's get on with the next chapter of Ron & FEZ, which will remain at the top of the radio heap for a long while yet.

[Knowledged_one]

the part you posted is the only part I'll ever read of that book he posted

however, the people in that room are hardly cool as you put the equation but misfits to put it kindly...especially if you include all those fucking rejects they constantly bore us to death with who have no fucking lives outside of sucking a host's dick

well spoon lets be honest here 80% of the females would blow the host and 95% of the males on this board would do the same.

[dommer]

For 20 minutes today we had radio nirvana: The Ron and Anthony Show featuring Little Jimmy and Doug Stanhope. It'll never get better than that. It was the radio dream team.

[Brad_Rush]

Haha you're hilarious. What the hell does fez say that's entertaining? Please tell me 1 instance. Why the fuck do you think ron steps over his subject matter or just keeps quiet while fez tries to make a point which NEVER happens You can hear a pin drop after fez tries to make some dumb subject entertaining. The show this week has been shit, some good people in for interviews but besides that, boooo. Ron is good as usual but he cannot carry a show by himself. Thank goodness hicks is there. I enjoy his comments. Fez is not funny, he tries but who the hell actually laughs. You can tell in the past shows when fez tries to make a funny remark, some people chuckle but you can tell they're just doing that because they feel bad for fez because he actually tries hard but FAILS miserably. Stop treating him like a retard that you always have to protect. Give me an example when fez was funny this week. You can't because it NEVER happened. Take your head out of his ass and treat him like a person that you just listened to for the first time. If you do this, you will understand that fez is worthless. A sack of shit on the chair.

By the way, do you really think using some BIG words will actually make your statement true? "avuncular, erudite man" looking in a dictionary are you? Like I said before, you're hilarious.

What is your goal here? Dave is not coming back. He is gone. We will (mostly) all miss him, but no amount of trying to break down fez will being him back. Some of us actually like Fez around here and enjoy hearing him. I know you are not one of us, you know we are not one of you haters. Just stop posting all your poison and deal with reality

[spoon]

SIAP... just got to the latter part of Monday's show on the commute home.

For those that were asking about the possibility of Fez giving up part of his salary to keep Dave, a caller called in with the same question during the 4th break on Monday's show, and Ron's response was that (paraphrasing), "Fez had the chance to do the right thing, and he didn't... so that's that". (I wish I had access to the audio here) For Audible listeners, circa 2:14:30.

I'd been in the Moe and Showerbench camp on that particular topic, that it wasn't Fez's place to compensate Dave, etc.... but it was an awkward and revealing moment on the show that I can't get past. Ron's response implied that it was a valid option, Fez chose not to do it, no one was going to "put a gun to anyone's head to do the right thing" (paraphrasing again), so let's move on.

I don't even know what else to say except that it was a rather revealing moment, that maybe Ron agreed that it was a reasonable idea for all concerned, but he wasn't going to force Fez to do anything.

Sorry if I'm fuelling the anti-Fez movement, but so many had disregarded this idea on here, when, in fact, apparently it was a viable option.

I hate to say it, but I now agree with some of the others, and really wish that Fez had "done the right thing", and was able to come out the hero in all of this.

Fezzie, I love you brother, and I hope that everything works out for you and the show.

I feel really dirty right now.

Before the ultimatum(s), I remember Ron asking Fez if he was comfortable with his paycheck in reference to the amount that the Dave was doing on the show compared to him. Fez didn't respond. Ultimately, it is not Fez or Ron's obligation to support their coworkers. I guarantee most people wouldn't give up a percentage to help a coworker retain his job; my department is going through this in relation to budget cuts, and the majority are not going to sacrifice their income to save a person from termination.

Now, let's get on with the next chapter of Ron & FEZ, which will remain at the top of the radio heap for a long while yet.

There is NO FUCKING WAY Fez should have to pay ESD's salary, a man he and Ron gave the shot as a fan just like us. Come on people, this is just insane and Ron acting like he should have is cowardly and continues the passive aggressive pick on Fez shit that helped put him in the corner he is. If Ron truly values him as a friend and co-host, it would NEVER come to this. So I ask why if Ron is SOOOooo pissed off on this one and soooo worried about ESD, where was his big stand or offer to help pay the salary. If this is a bit for the last four years then the joke is on me. Yet I can easily say ripping Fez and making him the ass in every situation has simply become Ron's crutch. ESD has put out many retarded statements just like Fez that Ron just rolls with. Fez does it and he throws him under the bus. I'm not here to doubt Ron's talent, it's clear he's incredibly quick and witty as any I know. But let's all just stop blaming Fez bc XM wouldn't pay the 15th third mic to come along in 10 years. For Fuck's Sake people. :wallbash:

[daminik]

Caller calculates Fez's age based on being 15 years younger than Joan Rivers

Ron: Look, I'm not getting into this - no one should reveal a lady's age

Fez: Thank you

That's funny? WOW! That wasn't funny at all. It's sad that your sense of humor comes down to that :down:
I guess to your standards, I should be headlining the stress factory and Dave should be selling out arenas because he's a funny motherfucker.

[spoon]

well spoon lets be honest here 80% of the females would blow the host and 95% of the males on this board would do the same.

What do tits and an adam's apple get you?

[ozzie]

There is NO FUCKING WAY Fez should have to pay ESD's salary, a man he and Ron gave the shot as a fan just like us. Come on people, this is just insane and Ron acting like he should have is cowardly and continues the passive aggressive pick on Fez shit that helped put him in the corner he is. If Ron truly values him as a friend and co-host, it would NEVER come to this. So I ask why if Ron is SOOOooo pissed off on this one and soooo worried about ESD, where was his big stand or offer to help pay the salary. If this is a bit for the last four years then the joke is on me. Yet I can easily say ripping Fez and making him the ass in every situation has simply become Ron's crutch. ESD has put out many retarded statements just like Fez that Ron just rolls with. Fez does it and he throws him under the bus. I'm not here to doubt Ron's talent, it's clear he's incredibly quick and witty as any I know. But let's all just stop blaming Fez bc XM wouldn't pay the 15th third mic to come along in 10 years. For Fuck's Sake people. :wallbash:

I guess I was disappointed in Ron for giving the proposition credibility, and for openly discussing this idea on the air Monday.

I was happier when I thought the idea was just bullshit stirred up by disgruntled listeners on a message board.

[Knowledged_one]

What do tits and an adam's apple get you?

GAZ trolling the streets on a saturday night?

[ShowerBench]

That's funny? WOW! That wasn't funny at all.

You're incorrect. It was funny. Fez is very funny. That's why he's Ron's co-host.

[spoon]

I guess I was disappointed in Ron for giving the proposition credibility, and for openly discussing this idea on the air Monday.

I was happier when I thought the idea was just bullshit stirred up by disgruntled listeners on a message board.

Listen to one show closely and I doubt anyone would even think some on the show were ever friends with recent weeks. In fact, look at the dif in the years with certain friends of the show and relations with it? It's a trail of people being used, and using, not actual friendship. I hate to say it, but it's reality for most involved and I guess Fez is yesterday's news at this point for most now too. The only guy on this channel who hasn't done a 180 in my mind is Oppie. Love him or hate him, he's honest and true to himself and the listener. Fez is close, but has no balls when needed and the mentality of a child when he needs to be a man. It's really that simple and people have to stop fucking lying to themselves bc it's really fucking pathetic.

[Suspect Chin]

I guess I was disappointed in Ron for giving the proposition credibility, and for openly discussing this idea on the air Monday.

I was happier when I thought the idea was just bullshit stirred up by disgruntled listeners on a message board.

It didn't sound to me like Ron giving the idea credibility. It sounded like just another quick one liner from Ron to bust Fez's balls.

There's no way Dave would take money from Fez anyway. We all know how poorly it went over last time Ron guilted Fez into offering charity to Dave.

[spoon]

GAZ trolling the streets on a saturday night?

outstanding :lol:

[daminik]

You're incorrect. It was funny. Fez is very funny. That's why he's Ron's co-host.

he might of been funny years ago that's why he is ron's co-host. Ron is the type of person that wont dump his friends, that's why. Why do you think ron walks over fez's ideas, because they suck. Ron will never tell his friend for years to step down and stop doing the show. The show is all fez has in his fucked up life. You can't say the real reason Fez is the co-host is because he is funny because he's not. It's because he values his friends and will never do stab him in the back.

Very bad examples for why fez is funny and why he's still on the show. Are you just throwing stuff out and hoping I will have nothing intelligent to say to back my statements up? Never gonna happen:thumbup:

[Chigworthy]

There is NO FUCKING WAY Fez should have to pay ESD's salary, a man he and Ron gave the shot as a fan just like us. Come on people, this is just insane and Ron acting like he should have is cowardly and continues the passive aggressive pick on Fez shit that helped put him in the corner he is. If Ron truly values him as a friend and co-host, it would NEVER come to this. So I ask why if Ron is SOOOooo pissed off on this one and soooo worried about ESD, where was his big stand or offer to help pay the salary. If this is a bit for the last four years then the joke is on me. Yet I can easily say ripping Fez and making him the ass in every situation has simply become Ron's crutch. ESD has put out many retarded statements just like Fez that Ron just rolls with. Fez does it and he throws him under the bus. I'm not here to doubt Ron's talent, it's clear he's incredibly quick and witty as any I know. But let's all just stop blaming Fez bc XM wouldn't pay the 15th third mic to come along in 10 years. For Fuck's Sake people. :wallbash:

By quoting my post, I'm not sure if you think I was trying to say that Fez should pay Dave, which I wasn't. I was saying exactly the opposite.

[Chigworthy]

he might of been funny years ago that's why he is ron's co-host. Ron is the type of person that wont dump his friends, that's why. Why do you think ron walks over fez's ideas, because they suck. Ron will never tell his friend for years to step down and stop doing the show. The show is all fez has in his fucked up life. You can't say the real reason Fez is the co-host is because he is funny because he's not. It's because he values his friends and will never do stab him in the back.

Very bad examples for why fez is funny and why he's still on the show. Are you just throwing stuff out and hoping I will have nothing intelligent to say to back my statements up? Never gonna happen:thumbup:

You're a little douchey with the whole "what I think is funny is the gold standard by which everyone should measure humor" kind of self-important gimmick you're running.

[spoon]

By quoting my post, I'm not sure if you think I was trying to say that Fez should pay Dave, which I wasn't. I was saying exactly the opposite.

Nah, I got ur point. I was just adding to it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Listen to one show closely and I doubt anyone would even think some on the show were ever friends with recent weeks. In fact, look at the dif in the years with certain friends of the show and relations with it? It's a trail of people being used, and using, not actual friendship. I hate to say it, but it's reality for most involved and I guess Fez is yesterday's news at this point for most now too. The only guy on this channel who hasn't done a 180 in my mind is Oppie. Love him or hate him, he's honest and true to himself and the listener. Fez is close, but has no balls when needed and the mentality of a child when he needs to be a man. It's really that simple and people have to stop fucking lying to themselves bc it's really fucking pathetic.

you're just realizing now that the show has a habit of using people to the exhaustion of their usefulness, then discard?

[spoon]

you're just realizing now that the show has a habit of using people to the exhaustion of their usefulness, then discard?

yes, i just figured this out :wallbash:

[Tenbatsuzen]

yes, i just figured this out :wallbash:

You just posted this like it's some big revelation, or it's like some unique insight that no one's ever hit on before.

[spoon]

You just posted this like it's some big revelation, or it's like some unique insight that no one's ever hit on before.

for this thread and some in it YES it is

hence the post putting it out there so people who haven't been on board as long as us have some more insight

however, make your own facts as you always do with bullshit implications caused by sniffing too much baby shit

[Tenbatsuzen]

for this thread and some in it YES it is

hence the post putting it out there so people who haven't been on board as long as us have some more insight


So you do it, you're deep. I do it, I'm a know it all radio asshole. got it.


however, make your own facts as you always do with bullshit implications caused by sniffing too much baby shit

"Hey, I'm bored, and I need a flame war to validate myself. I know, I'll bring someone's daughter into this."

[Tenbatsuzen]

for this thread and some in it YES it is

hence the post putting it out there so people who haven't been on board as long as us have some more insight


Anyone with half a brain who has listened to one fucking Big AAAAAAA bit knows that the show exploits people with issues. But thank you, Dr. Spoonio Kaku.

[spoon]

So you do it, you're deep. I do it, I'm a know it all radio asshole. got it.

Nope, not my fight dip shit.



"Hey, I'm bored, and I need a flame war to validate myself. I know, I'll bring someone's daughter into this."

Nope again, it was a baby shit joke, pretty generic stuff but why not twist it for some much needed sympathy. I didn't even know you had ur kid/have no matty kid calendar up and couldn't give a fuck. Yet with the way you twist shit (ha bad pun alert), I suppose I shouldn't be so surprised. Now go change a diaper you racist pussy.

[spoon]

Anyone with half a brain who has listened to one fucking Big AAAAAAA bit knows that the show exploits people with issues. But thank you, Dr. Spoonio Kaku.

So bad.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Nope again, it was a baby shit joke, pretty generic stuff but why not twist it for some much needed sympathy. I didn't even know you had ur kid/have no matty kid calendar up and couldn't give a fuck. Yet with the way you twist shit (ha bad pun alert), I suppose I shouldn't be so surprised. Now go change a diaper you racist pussy.

Nice try. Do you always like making threads about yourself? It gets to be about 20-25 pages, then you start shit to turn it into a spoon patented shitfest.

[spoon]

Nice try. Do you always like making threads about yourself? It gets to be about 20-25 pages, then you start shit to turn it into a spoon patented shitfest.

6 flags!

[Death Metal Moe]

Who added the tag 'Sheepy poops' to the thread tags? That's just fuckin' crazy shit right there.

[pillsaregood]

SIAP... just got to the latter part of Monday's show on the commute home.

For those that were asking about the possibility of Fez giving up part of his salary to keep Dave, a caller called in with the same question during the 4th break on Monday's show, and Ron's response was that (paraphrasing), "Fez had the chance to do the right thing, and he didn't... so that's that". (I wish I had access to the audio here) For Audible listeners, circa 2:14:30.

I'd been in the Moe and Showerbench camp on that particular topic, that it wasn't Fez's place to compensate Dave, etc.... but it was an awkward and revealing moment on the show that I can't get past. Ron's response implied that it was a valid option, Fez chose not to do it, no one was going to "put a gun to anyone's head to do the right thing" (paraphrasing again), so let's move on.

I don't even know what else to say except that it was a rather revealing moment, that maybe Ron agreed that it was a reasonable idea for all concerned, but he wasn't going to force Fez to do anything.

Sorry if I'm fuelling the anti-Fez movement, but so many had disregarded this idea on here, when, in fact, apparently it was a viable option.

I hate to say it, but I now agree with some of the others, and really wish that Fez had "done the right thing", and was able to come out the hero in all of this.

Fezzie, I love you brother, and I hope that everything works out for you and the show.

I feel really dirty right now.

None of this is surprising.

Fez is a loser. He doesn't care about the show anymore or he would take some time to watch some TV shows or go see a movie so he can bring something to the show.

Instead he will just sit back and watch Ron do the job of two hosts while he begs others like Earl to come in to the studio and be on air talent for free.

It's pretty fucking weak.

[Sloppy2nds]

None of this is surprising.

Fez is a loser. He doesn't care about the show anymore or he would take some time to watch some TV shows or go see a movie so he can bring something to the show.

Instead he will just sit back and watch Ron do the job of two hosts while he begs others like Earl to come in to the studio and be on air talent for free.

It's pretty fucking weak.

If that's the case couldn't they both have made a sacrifice for Dave?

[NewYorkDragons80]

Who added the tag 'Sheepy poops' to the thread tags? That's just fuckin' crazy shit right there.

Well, everyone poops

[BlackFan]

I love how everyone sits here like "Fez shouldn't pay Dave's salary." On paper yes that's correct. No employee should have to pay another employee's salary,but this is different.

Its like any of us going into work and one of your co workers saying hey can you take care of all of my work for me i don't feel well. And you do it, and then he asks you day after day,but when pay day comes he gets paid as if its been him taking care of his job all week.

Dave has been covering for Fez for the past 2 years easily. Stepping up after Fez's heart attacks and now daily meltdowns. And instead of Fez saying here man heres some money so you and your family can get by its a personal thanks from me to you, and since sirius can't pay you i will because you've been there for me in my time of need, he just acts like its out of his hands.

Dave may have been high on perks when he called in and called Fez a cocksucker and blamed him for his condition,but you can tell that's how he really feels. He's mad at Fez because he's had to shoulder his weight and now its finally taken its toll on him.

How long before it spills over onto hicks and Fez is just sitting in the corner while Ron and Hicks are just talking for an hour with no Fez in it?

[TjM]

There is NO FUCKING WAY Fez should have to pay ESD's salary, a man he and Ron gave the shot as a fan just like us. Come on people, this is just insane and Ron acting like he should have is cowardly and continues the passive aggressive pick on Fez shit that helped put him in the corner he is. If Ron truly values him as a friend and co-host, it would NEVER come to this. So I ask why if Ron is SOOOooo pissed off on this one and soooo worried about ESD, where was his big stand or offer to help pay the salary. If this is a bit for the last four years then the joke is on me. Yet I can easily say ripping Fez and making him the ass in every situation has simply become Ron's crutch. ESD has put out many retarded statements just like Fez that Ron just rolls with. Fez does it and he throws him under the bus. I'm not here to doubt Ron's talent, it's clear he's incredibly quick and witty as any I know. But let's all just stop blaming Fez bc XM wouldn't pay the 15th third mic to come along in 10 years. For Fuck's Sake people. :wallbash:

Perfectly stated

[weswestchester]

not prove like that, silly. More like it doesn't explain why you think he's still here. "he's still there because he was good on the show" isn't any sort of logical argument. That's why you want him there, or why he should be there, nothing more.

My argument isn't "he's still there because he's good on the show" -

My argument is:

Dave is coming back because - (I'll recap essentially what I've already written)

1) Ron has pretended to fire Dave before - he came back. Dave didn't even know it. Yes, I know that Ron didn't "fire" Dave this time, but there is a precedent for "Dave going and coming back" with the listeners being duped into thinking he was fired.

2) Ron is trying to get Dave his own show - just like he did for Lilly. If Ron can get a groundswell of interest in Dave, then the Sirius/XM Brass will sit up and take notice, and pay him a reasonable salary to do his own show.

3) Ron and Chris Stanley wouldn't mock Dave out (like they did Earl) if this quitting were for real. Why? They didn't respect Earl. Earl was/is useless. They know Dave is valuable. If Dave had quit after giving his bosses an ultimatum, then Ron and Chris wouldn't poke fun at his leaving given that:
a) He has a sick son with major hospital bills to pay
b) He has a wife and two kids to support
c) He had commuted 4 hours a day to get to and from work
d) He was 2nd mic - and a great catalyst for conflict with Fez, and a the guy you could count on for an over the top reaction


That's my argument why Dave's leaving is either:

A) A publicity stunt for Dave

OR

B) A bit that either Dave does or doesn't know about (like before)

[Melk]

A) A publicity stunt for Dave

OR

B) A bit that either Dave does or doesn't know about (like before)
I think that it is more in the line of A, but I think he is doing this to see if he can get an additional offer from the suits or a better offer from a different entertainment company.

[oPant]

I love how everyone sits here like "Fez shouldn't pay Dave's salary." On paper yes that's correct. No employee should have to pay another employee's salary,but this is different.

Its like any of us going into work and one of your co workers saying hey can you take care of all of my work for me i don't feel well. And you do it, and then he asks you day after day,but when pay day comes he gets paid as if its been him taking care of his job all week.

Dave has been covering for Fez for the past 2 years easily. Stepping up after Fez's heart attacks and now daily meltdowns. And instead of Fez saying here man heres some money so you and your family can get by its a personal thanks from me to you, and since sirius can't pay you i will because you've been there for me in my time of need, he just acts like its out of his hands.

Dave may have been high on perks when he called in and called Fez a cocksucker and blamed him for his condition,but you can tell that's how he really feels. He's mad at Fez because he's had to shoulder his weight and now its finally taken its toll on him.

How long before it spills over onto hicks and Fez is just sitting in the corner while Ron and Hicks are just talking for an hour with no Fez in it?

If you do most of your co-workers work you should get paid more or at least as much, the difference is that Fez is more like a boss or owner in this situation. I've had a boss who did not work at all, it's his right, and it kept him from doing well.

[Chigworthy]

If ever there was a time for a good thread-locking. We got negativity, cyclical stupidity, repetition, all that good shit. Is anything getting accomplished here, or is it just a bunch of assholes playing Radio GM?

[weswestchester]

If ever there was a time for a good thread-locking. We got negativity, cyclical stupidity, repetition, all that good shit. Is anything getting accomplished here, or is it just a bunch of assholes playing Radio GM?

You're a wise man. I think there's a place for you in Washington - speaking of assholes.


I think the point of this thread is to acknowledge what many listeners of this show feel -
namely that Fez (on air) isn't what he used to be - remember that WNEW, WJFK, early XM-Fez? Me neither. It's been so damn long since Fez was in good form, and this thread is also to acknowledge that Dave was good for the show. Many of us appreciate Dave, and, while this radio bit disgusied as "Dave's quitting" goes on for another three weeks, listeners have to suffer as Ron tries to single-handedly carry the show, while Fez comes alive for his requisite 5 minutes a day when gay marriage, cocks, people who don't hold elevator doors, or what I'm having for dinner tonight gets brought up. I love Chris, but he is famous for mono-sylabic answers (which is great for radio), like "You know it," or "Fuckin' A Right."

Dave's "vacation" may make for speculation on message boards, but it doesn't make for great radio.

As for playing Radio GMs, I'm just surprised that people are falling for this radio stunt.

[Dougie Brootal]

How long before it spills over onto hicks and Fez is just sitting in the corner while Ron and Hicks are just talking for an hour with no Fez in it?

it already has.

[SLCRagu]

Can anyone give just a quick rundown on what's happened so far this week. I'm not gonna have a chance to catch up till this weekend and I can't wait that long. I know Dave is gone but is Ron blaming Fez and was there some bust-up with O&A, how long does Earl talk about the Rock & Roll hall of fame. Just some bullet points would be nice.

[underdog]

If ever there was a time for a good thread-locking. We got negativity, cyclical stupidity, repetition, all that good shit. Is anything getting accomplished here, or is it just a bunch of assholes playing Radio GM?

Seriously.

[Hottub]

If ever there was a time for a good thread-locking. We got negativity, cyclical stupidity, repetition, all that good shit. Is anything getting accomplished here, or is it just a bunch of assholes playing Radio GM?

Some people are still trying to make points and discuss. Some are trying to glean some information.
And some are being douchebags.

Keep it civil and somewhere near topic.

[Death Metal Moe]

it already has.

Not even close. Fez talked A LOT yesterday and I've been hearing him interact today a lot too from what I was able to hear.

[Chigworthy]

Not even close. Fez talked A LOT yesterday and I've been hearing him interact today a lot too from what I was able to hear.

But it's been 3 days, he should be instantaneously a completely different person than he has in the recent past!!! The sky is falling!!!!

[Death Metal Moe]

I love how everyone sits here like "Fez shouldn't pay Dave's salary." On paper yes that's correct. No employee should have to pay another employee's salary,but this is different.



Well you could have just stopped right there because it's not different. Not in the least. You don't get magical money for doing more than you are expected. That's called being a good employee and hoping someone will notice that extra work and reward you.

Ron told us that the people in charge of 202 DID notice Dave's extra talent, wanted to pay him more and the company couldn't offer Dave what he needed. That's it.

This isn't Fez's fault, this isn't Ron's fault, this isn't Dave's fault, this is just the way life works out.

[Death Metal Moe]

But it's been 3 days, he should be instantaneously a completely different person than he has in the recent past!!! The sky is falling!!!!

FUCK!! GET OUTTA MY WAY THEN ASSHOLE!

THE MOTHERFUCKING SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BlackFan]

Well you could have just stopped right there because it's not different. Not in the least. You don't get magical money for doing more than you are expected. That's called being a good employee and hoping someone will notice that extra work and reward you.

Ron told us that the people in charge of 202 DID notice Dave's extra talent, wanted to pay him more and the company couldn't offer Dave what he needed. That's it.

This isn't Fez's fault, this isn't Ron's fault, this isn't Dave's fault, this is just the way life works out.

I absolutely agree. You don't get magic money for doing more than you should. But Fez became unfunctional, and he ASKED Dave to step up for him in his time of need. He left him out there hanging. Its a matter of doing whats right by a friend, and less of a boss employee do what i tell u to do.

[Perrynoid On Demand]

Fez is the best.

[Death Metal Moe]

I absolutely agree. You don't get magic money for doing more than you should. But Fez became unfunctional, and he ASKED Dave to step up for him in his time of need. He left him out there hanging. Its a matter of doing whats right by a friend, and less of a boss employee do what i tell u to do.

And Ron and Fez did that, by giving a talented guy an outlet to shine. You don't know what Fez's on and and off air roles are, you have no idea if he wasn't living up to his end of the deal so to speak. All we do know is he admitted to having a problem and that Dave stepped in on days Fez was locked up.

Also, hate to bring this up but not everyone viewed Dave's contributions as a good thing. Again I liked Dave but I know people who hated him on air and wouldn't listen on days he spoke a lot or at least started in with his crazy exaggeration bullshit.

So it works both ways.

[Death Metal Moe]

Fez is the best.

QFT

[daminik]

You're a little douchey with the whole "what I think is funny is the gold standard by which everyone should measure humor" kind of self-important gimmick you're running.

To correct your dumb comment, I never said that. I don't think my sense of humor is the gold standard. I understand some peoples sense of humor because I see people laughing at stupid stuff but I kinda do understand why they might laugh at something. To really think that fez has an ounce of comedic timing or comedic sense is ridiculous.
The example showerbench gave of fez's comedy was deffinetly not funny. I understand comedy, even stuff I don't laugh at but fez's shit isn't funny at all.

You call me a douche I'll call you a FAG! see what I do, I make a great statement then I end it off with FAG!!!! FAG!!!!!:smile:

[Penelope]

I miss Dave so much that it hurts. I need my sunshine back.

[Chigworthy]

To really think that fez has an ounce of comedic timing or comedic sense is ridiculous.

Maybe you should just move on with your life before your consumed by your douchiness.

[disneyspy]

hey daminik,summer's eve is having a contest to name their new solution,i won with your name cuz they said it was perfect

[Chigworthy]

Hey daminik, I bet you jack off into plastic bottles, because most douche comes in those.

[Hottub]

OK. That's enough.

[disneyspy]

OK. That's enough.

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[Hottub]

Your mom.

[Dougie Brootal]

Not even close. Fez talked A LOT yesterday and I've been hearing him interact today a lot too from what I was able to hear.

i heard him today. ill give you that.

[Lady Resin]

I miss Dave so much that it hurts. I need my sunshine back.

Ditto! I've had a tummy ache since Saturday night. :sad:

[Zorro]

Fez is the best.

:thumbup:

[daminik]

Hey daminik, I bet you jack off into plastic bottles, because most douche comes in those.

That's funnier then anything fez has ever said. Are you getting mad little baby:glurps:? Do you want me to heat up the cum and feed it to you in a bottle? Take your baba, you want to go nighty nighty? Do you want to fuck fez's little bottom like usual or are you gonna swap? I bet swap, I bet you stroke your needle dick listening to fez's voice. That's it, listen "It's Fez!" jack, cum, drink, repeat :tongue:

[biozombie]

Fuck yeah, this is getting hot.

[Mitch&Murray]

no reason to lock this thread huh?
Didn't there used to be Mods and Admins here
Great job with those "knock it off"posts Tubbie

[Hottub]

Knock it off.

[Kevin]

Hottub is the Bud Selig of Mods.

[Hottub]

Hottub is the Bud Selig of Mods.

I'll be home in 5

[disneyspy]

I'll be home in 5

hide kevin!!

[Rhah]

lol, good argument...

you mad, bro?

[Hottub]

He tested positive for post enhancing drugs.


They didn't work.

[benjamin]

I think with all this back and forth bickering, the rancor, the snarky comments - we have all missed the big picture on the subject of Dave leaving the show.

Certainly Dave forgot it and it proved to be a tragic mistake that led to his downfall.

Here it is:

Tony Reali ALWAYS wins in the end.

Somewhere there is an ultra succesful, Italian American man, pulling out of the ESPN parking lot, while laughing triumphantly at us and his vanquished nemesis.

:smoke:

[disneyspy]

fuck tony reali

[Dell]

hide kevin!!

okay...this one made me chuckle...

tis the vacation season...ain't it?

[disneyspy]

in support of kevin i wont be posting here til he's unbanned

tub said discouraging things about my dear sweet mom 5 times today and he wasnt banned

good day to thees

[mrniceguy]

good for you mr spy,it's nice to see people sticking up for other people