American church's threat to burn copies of the Muslim holy book

[Dudeman]

We've seen how much fun the New York Mosque thread was, so lets try out this story of intolerance. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/07/AR2010090703669.html)

[booster11373]

We've seen how much fun the New York Mosque thread was, so lets try out this story of intolerance. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/07/AR2010090703669.html)

They should all get together and burn The Origin of Species

[badmonkey]

We've seen how much fun the New York Mosque thread was, so lets try out this story of intolerance. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/07/AR2010090703669.html)

Book burning is dumb regardless of the book you're burning unless you're only burning it to get a good fire started to stay alive. If these people were smart, they'd put one upside down in a bucket of urine and get themselves an art grant from the govt. Religious intolerance is unAmerican? Since when?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Our troops are already in danger Q'uran burning or not.

Its just another excuse for those animals to pour out into the streets and blame the jews.

You could hand out signs saying "BOMB US INTO SMITHERENES" and they would carry those.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Book burning is dumb regardless of the book you're burning unless you're only burning it to get a good fire started to stay alive. If these people were smart, they'd put one upside down in a bucket of urine and get themselves an art grant from the govt. Religious intolerance is unAmerican? Since when?

In other words Desecrate any other religion its art. Desecrate Islam, its hatred and intolerance and should not be allowed.

These are the same people who will burn a flag. (Which I believe is their 1st ammendment right) but their panties go in a bunch when something happens to a Q'uran

[StanUpshaw]

We've seen how much fun the New York Mosque thread was, so lets try out this story of intolerance. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/07/AR2010090703669.html)

I'd be just as vehemently opposed to the government trying to stop this as I would be if the government tried to stop the mosque.

[Kevin]

I'd be just as vehemently opposed to the government trying to stop this as I would be if the government tried to stop the mosque.



Well, I kinda think this is akin to yelling fire in a crowded movie theater or saying you want to kill a public official.

You have free speach, but if it does harm and causes major damage, you are not allowed.

You are not allowed to even have the Koran collect dust or even put another book on top of it in Islam.

This would cause catostraphic harm to soilders and Americans anywhere near a Muslim state...

NOT a good idea.

[SatCam]

Well, I kinda think this is akin to yelling fire in a crowded movie theater or saying you want to kill a public official.

You have free speach, but if it does harm and causes major damage, you are not allowed.

You are not allowed to even have the Koran collect dust or even put another book on top of it in Islam.

This would cause catostraphic harm to soilders and Americans anywhere near a Muslim state...

NOT a good idea.

They crashed four planes in our country without anyone burning any quarans i doubt burning them will make an ounce of difference

[Kevin]

They crashed four planes in our country without anyone burning any quarans i doubt burning them will make an ounce of difference



You have Muslims around the world coming around towards the west and America since Obama started trying to bring them closer.

You have a majority young population in Iran that wants to be more westernized and get closer to the west, and eventualy they will succeed..

This will give the Iranian government massive fire power to turn them right back towards them.

This would set everything back decades..

Very, very stupid.

[SatCam]

You have Muslims around the world coming around towards the west and America since Obama started trying to bring them closer.

You have a majority young population in Iran that wants to be more westernized and get closer to the west, and eventualy they will succeed..

This will give the Iranian government massive fire power to turn them right back towards them.

This would set everything back decades..

Very, very stupid.

If they can't accept american freedoms
then they don't want to live like americans in the first place

[Kevin]

If they can't accept american freedoms
then they don't want to live like americans in the first place



AMERICA, LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT..

YEEEHAWWW.

[Syd]

Have to agree with SatCam here. As despicable as burning any holy item is, it is part of an American tradition of free speech. We're free to get pissed about it, sure, but they're free to do as they please without having to worry about retaliation by the government.

[sailor]

AMERICA, LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT..

YEEEHAWWW.

typical. anyone who doesn't agree with you is a yokel.

[badmonkey]

Well, I kinda think this is akin to yelling fire in a crowded movie theater or saying you want to kill a public official.

You have free speach, but if it does harm and causes major damage, you are not allowed.

You are not allowed to even have the Koran collect dust or even put another book on top of it in Islam.

This would cause catostraphic harm to soilders and Americans anywhere near a Muslim state...

NOT a good idea.

Your racist Islamaphobia is vile and disgusting sir. Vile and disgusting.

[Dudeman]

Is the freedom to practice a religion the same as the freedom to denigrate a religion?
:innocent::devil2:



(And what if your religion is to denigrate another religion?)

[Dude!]

i hope someone
draws a cartoon
of the book-burning

[Kevin]

Your racist Islamaphobia is vile and disgusting sir. Vile and disgusting.



How is it vile and disgusting not to want Americans especialy soilders to be targeted by a sensless act?

[StanUpshaw]

How is it vile and disgusting not to want Americans especialy soilders to be targeted by a sensless act?

You paint Muslims as thoughtless maniacs whose only response to offense is brutal violence.

[Kevin]

You paint Muslims as thoughtless maniacs whose only response to offense is brutal violence.



What I am speaking is the truth.

The Koran is not to be fucked with in Islam. It incites anger like nothing else..

In fact Gen Petraeus gave exactly the same warning I gave...

[StanUpshaw]

What I am speaking is the truth.

The Koran is not to be fucked with in Islam. It incites anger like nothing else..

In fact Gen Petraeus gave exactly the same warning I gave...

But what about all the decades of progress you were just talking about?

[Crispy123]

How is it vile and disgusting not to want Americans especialy soilders to be targeted by a sensless act?

I firmly believe that our American Military will destroy anyone foolish enough to "target" them.

However, we could have a few casualties as a result of this act and so I think it is deplorable. I would be pissed to witness it.

That being said, they (the douchebag church in gainseville, fl) have the constitutional right to be assholes and endanger our military members.

[Kevin]

But what about all the decades of progress you were just talking about?



Decades?

Who said decades?

This progress just began.

[Kevin]

I firmly believe that our American Military will destroy anyone foolish enough to "target" them.

However, we could have a few casualties as a result of this act and so I think it is deplorable. I would be pissed to witness it.

That being said, they (the douchebag church in gainseville, fl) have the constitutional right to be assholes and endanger our military members.



See Sailor , you boring leprechaun..

You could say something that I disagree with and respect it.

[SatCam]

Letting women drive is endangering our military

[StanUpshaw]

I firmly believe that our American Military will destroy anyone foolish enough to "target" them.

However, we could have a few casualties as a result of this act and so I think it is deplorable. I would be pissed to witness it.

That being said, they (the douchebag church in gainseville, fl) have the constitutional right to be assholes and endanger our military members.

I thought they were all about defending our freedoms? This might be the first time in nine years where that rhetoric is being put to the test.

[Crispy123]

I thought they were all about defending our freedoms? This might be the first time in nine years where that rhetoric is being put to the test.

That shit happens daily. It is just going to be televised now for our amusement.

[sailor]

This would set everything back decades..

Very, very stupid.

But what about all the decades of progress you were just talking about?

Decades?

Who said decades?

This progress just began.

.

[keithy_19]

I think that this church is incredibly stupid for doing this.

With that being said, they can do it. I personally think that people who burn books are dumb as hell considering that it's just paper with words, but go ahead.

[Snacks]

How is it vile and disgusting not to want Americans especialy soilders to be targeted by a sensless act?

American soldiers are in danger no matter what. Burning the Quran or not doesnt matter. If it does then it proves the point of the people on the right that they are animals and try to force their views on others. I have no religion so to me the Quran, the bible are just fire wood. Why should someone be forced to obey those books the way someone who believes in them does? They dont so let them burn them and burn some bibles in front of them too! They obviously arent respecting our freedoms so why should be respect their beliefs?

[Kevin]

.



I ment it would take decades to fix the damage..

Prob did not word it right.

[keithy_19]

I understand people not wanting to add fire to the fanatics who already want US citizens/soldiers dead, but why should we have to change our ideas of freedom of speech to fit their bullshit ideology (the fanatics)?

I don't think that burning these books is at all smart, but let them. I may disagree, but that doesn't matter.

[PapaBear]

The real assholes in this controversy are the news media outlets that even report shit about nut-job stunts like this. Ten or fifteen years ago, this story's biggest exposure might have been on the cover of the Weekly World News.

[pennington]

My opinion is people can burn any in-print book they want (nothing historic or a one-of-a-kind). It's not like they are destroying something that can't be replaced.

That said, this is a stupid stunt and this Minister is an idiot for doing it.

[pennington]

The real assholes in this controversy are the news media outlets that even report shit about nut-job stunts like this.

Right. Anderson Cooper is being hailed as a hero for making this idiot look like an idiot. He also gave it more world-wide publicity.

[sailor]

I ment it would take decades to fix the damage..

Prob did not word it right.

cool, i can see that. it did sound crazy there for a while tho'.

my boring take: they shouldn't, but they can, and it won't endanger the troops. it may alter relations with others - but we can't go forbidding them to do it. as crazy as they are, the real nutjobs are the ones who might lose their shit over this.

[A.J.]

Never mind the argument about American soldiers being put at risk. I think it's Americans living overseas -- especially in Muslim countries -- who could be in even more danger. There's no protection for them being assaulted verbally or physically just because they happen to be Americans.

[foodcourtdruide]

I don't understand how the argument becomes the government preventing this church from doing this. Has anyone in government recommended this? Didn't Petreaus just ask that they not do it because they'd be putting peoples lives in danger?

Americans should be outraged at this church for being so irresponsible and so hateful. Burning a religious book? Really? Why aren't we up in arms? We accuse muslim nations for tolerating those who pervert Islam into violence and hate, why do WE tolerate this? Why aren't there thousands of people protesting this church? Why don't we see the same grassroots movement against this church as we would see if someone says "fuck" on Television?

[foodcourtdruide]

And this tit for tat fucking BULLSHIT some people promote is so idiotic. Also, if you think a group that was burning bibles wouldn't come under attack in this country you are delusional. Remember the uproar over the painting of Virgin Mary that was done in feces? Just because it was allowed to be displayed, doesn't mean people didn't go batshit crazy over it. I remember seeing it behind 3 inch thick glass and a guard standing next to it.

[Jujubees2]

If these people want to burn the Koran why don't they be brave and go over to the Middle East to do it?

[Devo37]

The Koran is not to be fucked with in Islam. It incites anger like nothing else..


what doesn't incite anger in the muslim world?????? someone drew an f'n cartoon of voldemort and they killed people and set fire to embassies. a fake story about flushing a Qku'oran (or however we're spelling it nowadays) down a toilet and they riot. they look for any excuse to act like maniacs and blame it on someone else.

primitives.

[sailor]

And this tit for tat fucking BULLSHIT some people promote is so idiotic. Also, if you think a group that was burning bibles wouldn't come under attack in this country you are delusional. Remember the uproar over the painting of Virgin Mary that was done in feces? Just because it was allowed to be displayed, doesn't mean people didn't go batshit crazy over it. I remember seeing it behind 3 inch thick glass and a guard standing next to it.

what buildings were burned downed? what people were killed? i don't have a problem with people being just pissed at something.

[A.J.]

If these people want to burn the Koran why don't they be brave and go over to the Middle East to do it?

I don't think they'll give them a visa for that.

[foodcourtdruide]

what buildings were burned downed? what people were killed? i don't have a problem with people being just pissed at something.

Yes, because there has never been violent christian reaction to world events. I'll go tell Dr. George Tiller's family the good news.

[Kevin]

I don't think they'll give them a visa for that.



What if they don't write that in the Visa App?

[foodcourtdruide]

Also, to everyone crying about freespeech where were they when Guiliani was basically strongarming the Brooklyn Museum of Art into not displaying that painting?

Did we all forget this?
http://partners.nytimes.com/library/arts/092399brooklyn-museum-funds.html

"Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani threatened Wednesday to cut off all city subsidies to the Brooklyn Museum of Art unless it cancels next week's opening of a British art exhibition that features, among other works, a shark suspended in a tank of formaldehyde, a bust of a man made from his own frozen blood and a portrait of the Virgin Mary stained with a clump of elephant dung. "

Everyone exclaiming the right to free speech of this ministry must have surely been up in arms when THE MAYOR OF A CITY THREATENED TO CUT FUNDING TO AN ART MUSEUM OVER ITS CONTENT.

Oh, I'm sorry. I'm not following the typical "when its done to Islam everyone cares, but when it's done to Christianity no one gives a shit" tagline that seems to be so popular.

[Dude!]

Also, to everyone crying about freespeech where were they when Guiliani was basically strongarming the Brooklyn Museum of Art into not displaying that painting?

Did we all forget this?
http://partners.nytimes.com/library/arts/092399brooklyn-museum-funds.html

"Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani threatened Wednesday to cut off all city subsidies to the Brooklyn Museum of Art unless it cancels next week's opening of a British art exhibition that features, among other works, a shark suspended in a tank of formaldehyde, a bust of a man made from his own frozen blood and a portrait of the Virgin Mary stained with a clump of elephant dung. "

Everyone exclaiming the right to free speech of this ministry must have surely been up in arms when THE MAYOR OF A CITY THREATENED TO CUT FUNDING TO AN ART MUSEUM OVER ITS CONTENT.

Oh, I'm sorry. I'm not following the typical "when its done to Islam everyone cares, but when it's done to Christianity no one gives a shit" tagline that seems to be so popular.

come on...
the analogy would be
if the Mayor of Gainesville
went on a rampage about this

in this situation, you've
got the Secretary of State,
General Petraeus, and all
manner of national leaders
weighing in

it's a whole new level
of pressure

[foodcourtdruide]

come on...
the analogy would be
if the Mayor of Gainesville
went on a rampage about this

in this situation, you've
got the Secretary of State,
General Petraeus, and all
manner of national leaders
weighing in

First of all, the Mayor of Gianeville is not as high profile as the Mayor of New York and second, please compare what Patreaus, Clinton are saying vs. what Guiliani was saying. Do I have to break that down for you?

[angrytruckingguy]

The real assholes in this controversy are the news media outlets that even report shit about nut-job stunts like this. Ten or fifteen years ago, this story's biggest exposure might have been on the cover of the Weekly World News.

Bravo, sir, bravo.:thumbup:Does everything have to be controversial and divisive? Apparently, that is what the sheeple want and the media is scrambling to see who can get there first.

[CountryBob]

The real assholes in this controversy are the news media outlets that even report shit about nut-job stunts like this. Ten or fifteen years ago, this story's biggest exposure might have been on the cover of the Weekly World News.

You are correct! This is why our parents and grandparents say that life was simplier and more peaceful back in tha day. If Boo Rigley's cow ate a cherry pie and then shit on the dog...it would never be known other than maybe down at the local barbershop. Now a days, Mrs. Rigley would tweet about it and put it on Facebook and some local news would cover it.... and we all would know about it.

Why cant we just have the religion or race war and get it over with. Side up now - there can be only one! - Highlander rules!~

[Kevin]

The real assholes in this controversy are the news media outlets that even report shit about nut-job stunts like this. Ten or fifteen years ago, this story's biggest exposure might have been on the cover of the Weekly World News.

I agree 100% There...

[Kevin]

what doesn't incite anger in the muslim world?????? someone drew an f'n cartoon of voldemort and they killed people and set fire to embassies. a fake story about flushing a Qku'oran (or however we're spelling it nowadays) down a toilet and they riot. they look for any excuse to act like maniacs and blame it on someone else.

primitives.



Its not any different from these TeaParty goobers that FoxNews and the rep party riles up.


If someone started burning Bible's you don't think Beck and the rest of those douches would not get these goober riled up and start shit?

I am not saying it is on that level yet, but it could get there.

My point is most of those goverments and the media there control EVERYTHING the people hear and see.

And use this type of nonsense to hide the face that they are oppressive and currupt as governments.

My point is..


This is is not helping...

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This pastor has only about 3 dozen people in his congregation, with all the problems going on in this country they focus on this? American Media is dead

I heard a while back that he burned bibles because they weren't the King James version

[sailor]

You are correct! This is why our parents and grandparents say that life was simplier and more peaceful back in tha day. If Boo Rigley's cow ate a cherry pie and then shit on the dog...it would never be known other than maybe down at the local barbershop. Now a days, Mrs. Rigley would tweet about it and put it on Facebook and some local news would cover it.... and we all would know about it.

Why cant we just have the religion or race war and get it over with. Side up now - there can be only one! - Highlander rules!~

only if you promise no sequels.

[Kevin]

only if you promise no sequels.

It depends on how much money the original will make...

[sailor]

It depends on how much money the original will make...


No, those were the worst sequels ever.

[disneyspy]

sweet,they're gonna burn copies of this book? when can i get my dvd?

[Kevin]

No, those were the worst sequels ever.

True, but who cares about quality these days?

[Kevin]

sweet,they're gonna burn copies of this book? when can i get my dvd?

I am going to burn copies of the Cowboys media guide.

[disneyspy]

I am going to burn copies of the Cowboys media guide.

COOL,send me the CD i'd like to read it

[Kevin]

COOL,send me the CD i'd like to read it

I'm burning those too.

[brettmojo]

Make them burn some copies of Sarah Palin's book and Glenn Beck's take out menus then it's cool with me.

[Dude!]

there'd be less hub-bub
if the minister
would just burn
a few moslems

[conman823]

What a non story. He has the right to do it. Stop covering it on the news. Muslims need to get over themselves if they ever expect to progress. Like screaming Muslims in the streets hating America even gets anyone's attention anymore its more common then trash collection these days.

Also, since I troll this section a lot, could some of u people stop mentioning Fox News, Glen Beck, and Tea Parties in every politics thread? You guys sound like the people who condemn homosexuals then get caught tapping a foot under a bathroom stall.

[badmonkey]

And this tit for tat fucking BULLSHIT some people promote is so idiotic. Also, if you think a group that was burning bibles wouldn't come under attack in this country you are delusional. Remember the uproar over the painting of Virgin Mary that was done in feces? Just because it was allowed to be displayed, doesn't mean people didn't go batshit crazy over it. I remember seeing it behind 3 inch thick glass and a guard standing next to it.

If someone started burning Bible's you don't think Beck and the rest of those douches would not get these goober riled up and start shit?

I am not saying it is on that level yet, but it could get there.

You mean like this?
Military burns unsolicited Bibles sent to Afghanistan (http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/20/us.military.bibles.burned/index.html)

Military personnel threw away, and ultimately burned, confiscated Bibles that were printed in the two most common Afghan languages amid concern they would be used to try to convert Afghans, a Defense Department spokesman said Tuesday.
Afghan workers enter a walkway on March 3, 2009, at Bagram Air Base, Afghanistan.

Afghan workers enter a walkway on March 3, 2009, at Bagram Air Base, Afghanistan.

The unsolicited Bibles sent by a church in the United States were confiscated about a year ago at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan because military rules forbid troops of any religion from proselytizing while deployed there, Lt. Col. Mark Wright said.

Such religious outreach can endanger American troops and civilians in the devoutly Muslim nation, Wright said.

"The decision was made that it was a 'force protection' measure to throw them away, because, if they did get out, it could be perceived by Afghans that the U.S. government or the U.S. military was trying to convert Muslims," Wright told CNN on Tuesday.

Troops at posts in war zones are required to burn their trash, Wright said.

The military says a soldier at Bagram received the Bibles and didn't realize he wasn't allowed to hand them out. In the Al Jazeera video, which shows the Bibles at the prayer service, an unnamed soldier says members of his church raised money for them.

The chaplain later corrected the soldier and confiscated the Bibles, Wright said.

Military officers considered sending the Bibles back to the church, he said, but they worried the church would turn around and send them to another organization in Afghanistan -- giving the impression that they had been distributed by the U.S. government.

That could lead to violence against troops or U.S. civilians, Wright said.

[KatPw]

Those bibles weren't burned in protest to Christianity.

[foodcourtdruide]

You mean like this?
Military burns unsolicited Bibles sent to Afghanistan (http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/20/us.military.bibles.burned/index.html)

Wow, these two scenario have very little to do with each other. Please point to the article where a non-Christian religious leader threatened to burn bibles in order to denegrate Christianity and no one cared.

[Kevin]

You mean like this?
Military burns unsolicited Bibles sent to Afghanistan (http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/20/us.military.bibles.burned/index.html)

Here is the thing...

Yes, they can do whatever they want.. Its their right..

My only fear is the saftey of our troops and other Americans abroad..

As I for you example..

Yea, that happends THERE.

But i think we need to show that we are better than that and will not stoop to their leval..

There is a major diff between an Arab/mid east Muslim and a non Arab/western Muslim..

Non Arab Muslims are much more tolerant and for lack of a better term civilized...

They won't react violantly but burning the book really, really hurts our image with the rest of the world..

We look as bad as they do..

That is main point to this.

[badmonkey]

Those bibles weren't burned in protest to Christianity.

Bibles burned in a Muslim country in order to prevent their possible distribution to Muslims for the purpose of converting them to Christianity weren't burned in protest of Christianity?

[KatPw]

Bibles burned in a Muslim country in order to prevent their possible distribution to Muslims for the purpose of converting them to Christianity weren't burned in protest of Christianity?

They were burned by our own troops. The VFW burns many American flags each year to retire them, that's a lot different than me burning the American flag to protest something.

[badmonkey]

Wow, these two scenario have very little to do with each other. Please point to the article where a non-Christian religious leader threatened to burn bibles in order to denegrate Christianity and no one cared.

Now you want to be more specific. First you said simply an organization burning bibles. This was reported in 2009. I remember the Christian riots like they were yesterday.

[StanUpshaw]

Also, since I troll this section a lot, could some of u people stop mentioning Fox News, Glen Beck, and Tea Parties in every politics thread? You guys sound like the people who condemn homosexuals then get caught tapping a foot under a bathroom stall.

I was just thinking about that last night. Certain people are very quick to throw out the "doth protest too much" reasoning when it comes to the anti-gay crowd, but then in the next thread they rail against anyone who dares mock or criticize Islam (hypocritically, of course, since the same people will not think twice when they shit on Catholics or Scientologists).

I'm beginning to think that like the gay right wingers, they are deeply ashamed about the way they feel inside; that they hate Islam, but won't admit it, even to themselves; and instead take up the extreme opposite opinion, hoping that they can somehow manage to convince themselves it's the truth.

[foodcourtdruide]

Now you want to be more specific. First you said simply an organization burning bibles. This was reported in 2009. I remember the Christian riots like they were yesterday.

Come on, BM. You are totally reaching here. Would you like me to revise my above statement? Ok, what I meant was:

Also, if you think a non-Christian religious leader threatened to burn bibles in order to denegrate Christianity and no one would care then you are delusional.

There. I'm now unnecessarily specific.

[StanUpshaw]

The real assholes in this controversy are the news media outlets that even report shit about nut-job stunts like this. Ten or fifteen years ago, this story's biggest exposure might have been on the cover of the Weekly World News.

The subsequent posts in this thread have shown this to be false. The elephant dung Mary was over ten years ago and "Piss Christ" was over twenty.

[foodcourtdruide]

The subsequent posts in this thread have shown this to be false. The elephant dung Mary was over ten years ago and "Piss Christ" was over twenty.

Elephant dung Mary was a pretty big NY story, not sure about how big it was around the country.

[brettmojo]

Sooooo... "A few extremist Muslims" crash some planes into some buildings, behead some people, try to blow up Times Square, crash some boats loaded with explosives into U.S. warships, bomb some U.S. embassys, try to blow up a commercial airliner with a shoe bomb, try to blow up a commercial airliners with an underwear bomb, etc. etc. etc. BUT we can't hold an entire religion or people/country responsible because that makes us racists maaaaannnnnn...

Yet, a church with a couple dozen followers on U.S. soil decide to get some attention for themselves by holding a good old fashioned Nazi book burnin' and we're supposed to expect retaliation against U.S. troops and citizens wherever they may be? Even thought EVERYONE except the church doing the publicity stunt have condemned their actions?

Fucking retarded.

[foodcourtdruide]

Sooooo... "A few extremist Muslims" crash some planes into some buildings, behead some people, try to blow up Times Square, crash some boats loaded with explosives into U.S. warships, bomb some U.S. embassys, try to blow up a commercial airliner with a shoe bomb, try to blow up a commercial airliners with an underwear bomb, etc. etc. etc. BUT we can't hold an entire religion or people/country responsible because that makes us racists maaaaannnnnn...

Yet, a church with a couple dozen followers on U.S. soil decide to get some attention for themselves by holding a good old fashioned Nazi book burnin' and we're supposed to expect retaliation against U.S. troops and citizens wherever they may be? Even thought EVERYONE except the church doing the publicity stunt have condemned their actions?

Fucking retarded.

Have you listened to Ron and Fez? There are definitely a group of people who seem to feel some type of redemption by this churches actions. And have the republicans/churches really condemned this? I'm really asking. Haven't heard much about their opinions on it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

How does a Koran burning automatically make someone who isnt a devout Muslim 1 day into a Jihadist the next?

[brettmojo]

Have you listened to Ron and Fez? There are definitely a group of people who seem to feel some type of redemption by this churches actions. And have the republicans/churches really condemned this? I'm really asking. Haven't heard much about their opinions on it.
One, the same people feeling "redeemed" by this are the same people who loaded up on guns and ammo after Obama was elected.

Two, yes.

[underdog]

Yes, because there has never been violent christian reaction to world events. I'll go tell Dr. George Tiller's family the good news.

Let them know I'll be a little late for dinner, too. Thanks.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Enough of this bickering already. Lets have one last Crusade and get it over with. Winner take all

[KatPw]

http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web03/2010/9/3/6/religion-is-like-a-keep-it-inside-11297-1283509798-5.jpg

[brettmojo]

Enough of this bickering already. Lets have one last Crusade and get it over with. Winner take all
I'm in.

[badmonkey]

Come on, BM. You are totally reaching here. Would you like me to revise my above statement? Ok, what I meant was:

Also, if you think a non-Christian religious leader threatened to burn bibles in order to denegrate Christianity and no one would care then you are delusional.

There. I'm now unnecessarily specific.
I'm not sure how responding to the words you used in your post rather than the words you had in your head is the same as "totally reaching". Since you were "unnecessarily specific", how about these?

Christians in Gaza Fear for Their Lives as Muslims Burn Bibles and Destroy Crosses (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/285123/christians_in_gaza_fear_for_their_lives.html)
Father Musalam additionally told The Jerusalem Post that the Muslim gunmen used rocket-propeled grenades (RPGs) to blow through the doors of the church and school, before burning Bibles and destroying every cross they could get their hands on.

It's only two boys, but the church is like 20 people. What's the difference?
Muslim boys urinated on Bible (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/muslim-boys-urinated-on-bible/story-e6frg6nf-1111112640400)
TWO Muslim students have been expelled from an Islamic school in Melbourne for urinating and spitting on a Bible and setting it on fire.

I know it's not a bible, but I didn't feel like posting in the mosque thread:
Muslims Burn Christian Center under Construction in Indonesia (http://www.christianpost.com/article/20100505/muslims-burn-christian-center-under-construction-in-indonesia/index.html)

One of the things I've learned from the book burning and mosque stories is that any group of people that use the words "outreach center" to describe themselves and then end up on the news for doing something controversial are probably full of shit and not to be trusted.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Anyone remember this ?


http://www.rawa.org/statues.htm

There was Muslim condemnation though

Muslim leaders condemn Taliban destruction

The Times of India, March 2, 2001



NEW DELHI: Leading Islamic clerics and leaders on Friday condemned the destruction of Afghanistan's ancient Buddha statues in central Bamiyan province by the ruling Taliban regime as "un-Islamic" and "an act of cultural genocide against humanity."

"It is an outrageous act. It should be treated as a crime against humanity. Bamiyan is part of the world's cultural heritage. The destruction of Buddha statues is an act of cultural genocide against humanity," Babri Masjid movement leader and former diplomat Syed Shahabuddin said.

Declining to draw a parallel between the Taliban action and the destruction of the disputed structure at Ayodhya on December 6, 1992, Shahabuddin said, "here it was some groups whereas in Afghanistan, the government itself is committing the crime."

"In the entire history of Islam, ancient and pre-historic sites have only been preserved and not destroyed whether it be in Iran, Egypt, Syria or India," Shahabuddin said.

The Shahi Imam of the historic Fatehpuri mosque here Maulana Mufti Mohammad Mukarram Ahmed termed the destruction of the statues as "un-Islamic."

"Islam has always respected other faiths. It has taught us not to abuse other faiths. The Taliban could have either veiled it or asked the Buddhist countries to relocate it if they were so averse to the statues," he said.

Christian leader Rev Valson Thampu said the Taliban action symbolised "selective use of religious prescription". (PTI)

[keithy_19]

Why does this story matter? Because some people will be upset? It's a book. It's paper with ink that has been mass produced. I don't care if it's the Koran, the Bible, the Torah, or any book or document. They have the right to burn them. I think they are dumb, but they have the right, so as others have stated, let's just ignore them.

[Pittsburgh]

As most of the participants in this debate are mature, educated adults, I think we can at least have the debate without stooping to adolescent name calling and insults....

Isn't that right Reverend Poopie-Pants?

[Dudeman]

Why does this story matter? Because some people will be upset? It's a book. It's paper with ink that has been mass produced. I don't care if it's the Koran, the Bible, the Torah, or any book or document. They have the right to burn them. I think they are dumb, but they have the right, so as others have stated, let's just ignore them.

seriously? you can't see that to some people their is a difference between burning a koran, bible or torah and burning a garfield cartoon book?

[StanUpshaw]

Obviously a lot of people do feel that way. Why should the rest of us care that they have such a childish outlook?

[Dude!]

seriously? you can't see that to some people their is a difference between burning a koran, bible or torah and burning a garfield cartoon book?

yeah, a big difference
to garfield fans

[Pittsburgh]

seriously? you can't see that to some people their is a difference between burning a koran, bible or torah and burning a garfield cartoon book?

Well, yeah I mean its a little worse than burning a GARFIELD comic...sure...but what about a really,really funny one?

[Dudeman]

Well, yeah I mean its a little worse than burning a GARFIELD comic...sure...but what about a really,really funny one?

how about script for the second garfield the movie?

[keithy_19]

seriously? you can't see that to some people their is a difference between burning a koran, bible or torah and burning a garfield cartoon book?

I do see the difference, but I still think people who get up in arms over it are incredibly dumb. Some people value the works of great writers more than holy books. Many of those great writers have had books burned for one reason or another. So all those lovers of those books, of course, did the sensible thing and killed people..

[StanUpshaw]

These Florida assholes so fucking cliche. On Saturday, I'm going to load the Koran on my iPad and stick the fucker in the microwave.

Or better yet...

The Koran: Will it blend?

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[A.J.]

How does a Koran burning automatically make someone who isnt a devout Muslim 1 day into a Jihadist the next?

You'd be surprised. Logic and reason go right out the window when it comes to religion.

[Kevin]

You'd be surprised. Logic and reason go right out the window when it comes to religion.



Yup..

And Yankee hatred...

[Kevin]

I hate to say this..

But this dumb sob does not realize that he could be killed within days of this happening..

It would be terrible and make his dumb ass a kind osf martyr..

But do not be shocked...

It can get ugly...

[Jujubees2]

seriously? you can't see that to some people their is a difference between burning a koran, bible or torah and burning a garfield cartoon book?

Garfield, no big deal but don't mess with my Calvin and Hobbes!

[StanUpshaw]

I hate to say this..

But this dumb sob does not realize that he could be killed within days of this happening..

It would be terrible and make his dumb ass a kind osf martyr..

But do not be shocked...

It can get ugly...

Nah. I think we learned after Draw Muhammad Day that those shit kickers are all bluster. If those 9000+ cartoons didn't provoke a response, a little bonfire won't. Hopefully that means those petulant children have grown a thicker skin.

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

This has reached the President, the Pope and even Angelina Jolie. For a person with 50 people in his church to get all this attention is baffling.

Since 9/11 There have been thousands of Muslim on Muslim attacks. Look what happened starting in 2004 in Iraq when Zarqawi was launching attacks on Shi'ites for example. If I was Muslim I would be more offended that other Muslims were using Mosques as fortresses and ammo/weapons storages like in the Battle of Fallujah than some dope burning a Q'uran

[disneyspy]

This has reached the President, the Pope and even Angelina Jolie. For a person with 50 people in his church to get all this attention is baffling.

when i broke the story of the westboro baptist church going to protest gay day at disneyworld they had 2 dozen members,now they are world famous,all it takes is a crazy protest and in this day its alot easier to get attention

[Kevin]

Nah. I think we learned after Draw Muhammad Day that those shit kickers are all bluster. If those 9000+ cartoons didn't provoke a response, a little bonfire won't. Hopefully that means those petulant children have grown a thicker skin.

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I think the main guy that drew the cartoon in the Danish paper had to go into protective hiding for a while because a death warrent was issued on his head..


This is a much bigger violation than even that..

[LordJezo]

Bah.

It's been called off.

Weak.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/quran-burning-canceled-mosque-near-ground-zero-to-906473.html

[sailor]

just got the breaking news from ap. glad to hear.

[Furtherman]

A little visit by the Feds and he calls it off.

I bet they showed him video of him buying gay porn.

[Dude!]

I bet they showed him video of him buying gay porn.

exactly...
wuss

[NickyL0885]

NY IMAM says there was NO DEAL!!

[LordJezo]

They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Quran burners,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Quran burner.

Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.


---

You'll all be sorry one day that you are letting the hard left take over like this and stop American freedoms. This country is over.

[Kevin]

I kinda figured he will call it off..

Publicity stunt or just pressure?

[Contra]

But I already bought the book and the mmatches! Screwed again.

[underdog]

They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Quran burners,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Quran burner.

Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.


---

You'll all be sorry one day that you are letting the hard left take over like this and stop American freedoms. This country is over.

Why would the left go after communists?

[Crispy123]

The investors in the Mosque and the whole Muslim community can do the right thing and win here thanks to the Donald. And the Florida pastor would look like a hero to the hayseeds!

Trump offers to buy out investor who controls mosque site in New York (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/trump-offers-to-buy-out-investor-who-controls-906593.html)

In a letter released Thursday by Trump's publicist, the real estate investor tells Hisham Elzanaty he would buy his stake in the lower Manhattan building for 25 percent more than whatever he paid.

[angrymissy]

The investors in the Mosque and the whole Muslim community can do the right thing and win here thanks to the Donald. And the Florida pastor would look like a hero to the hayseeds!

Trump offers to buy out investor who controls mosque site in New York (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/trump-offers-to-buy-out-investor-who-controls-906593.html)

How would that be doing the right thing or winning?

Trump is blowing a lot of hot air for publicity, he's not gonna buy shit... notice he said he'd pay 25% over what the guy paid for it... if the guy bought it 20 years ago, thats not gonna be a great deal

[sailor]

How would that be doing the right thing or winning?

Trump is blowing a lot of hot air for publicity, he's not gonna buy shit... notice he said he'd pay 25% over what the guy paid for it... if the guy bought it 20 years ago, thats not gonna be a great deal

if i remember correctly, it was bought very recently at above comparable market price.

[conman823]

You'll all be sorry one day that you are letting the hard left take over like this and stop American freedoms. This country is over.

It's not just the left, whenever we start putting limits on our freedoms we diminish everything this nation was built on.
Same thing if we hold one groups rights higher then another's.
It's a slippery slope that we're treading on but all anyone gets tied up in is what side they are on. Arguing so hard to prove your left or right side is the best. Letting the basics crumble around you

[angrymissy]

if i remember correctly, it was bought very recently at above comparable market price.

That may be it, but anyone who thinks Trump was doing this for anything but some free publicity is outta their minds. The news reported tonight that they bought in 09, but have already received offers that were twice what they paid, that they didn't accept... so Trump offering 25% above what they paid is a BS publicity move.

http://www.seattlepi.com/tvguide/426456_tvgif9.html

Wolodymyr Staraosolsky, a lawyer for the investor in the real estate partnership, said Trump's offer is "just a cheap attempt to get publicity and get in the limelight."

[LordJezo]

Woo, it's back on.

Westboro Baptist Church to burn Qurans if Dove doesn't (http://www.ocala.com/article/20100909/ARTICLES/100909743/1412?Title=Westboro-Baptish-Church-to-burn-Qurans-if-Dove-doesn-t)

It's Roper Time!

[A.J.]

Woo, it's back on.

Westboro Baptist Church to burn Qurans if Dove doesn't (http://www.ocala.com/article/20100909/ARTICLES/100909743/1412?Title=Westboro-Baptish-Church-to-burn-Qurans-if-Dove-doesn-t)

It's Roper Time!

Oh, please let a suicide bomber take them and their church out....

[Misteriosa]

now its getting good :popcorn:

[sailor]

Oh, please let a suicide bomber take them and their church out....

Poor Ron will be inconsolable.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

People act like savages because a book is burned, thrown in the toilet or theres a cartoon of their prophet.

Millions of cows are slaughtered so we may enjoy a steak or a burger but the Hindus don't act like animals over that.

[Dude!]

Millions of cows are slaughtered so we may enjoy a steak or a burger but the Hindus don't act like animals over that.

because Hindus are the most
civilized people in the world

the moslems hate them,
of course

[KnoxHarrington]

Now this douchebag is saying he will burn the Koran if he can't meet the imam behind the Burlington Coat Factory Community Center.

Goddammit, I'm on the same side of an issue as al-Qaida now.

[Misteriosa]

that preacher is such a fucking attention whore. if you give a douche a cookie... :dry:

i would really love to have that asshole sniped out, but that would just make a martyr out of him. :wallbash:

[KnoxHarrington]

that preacher is such a fucking attention whore. if you give a douche a cookie... :dry:

i would really love to have that asshole sniped out, but that would just make a martyr out of him. :wallbash:

The best way to deal with this scumbag is ignore him. No coverage at all. Nothing.

[Misteriosa]

The best way to deal with this scumbag is ignore him. No coverage at all. Nothing.

and i wish the news people would realize that, but NOOOOO! they need to shove a mic at this hayseed fucktard every time he spits his tobacco dip

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Now this douchebag is saying he will burn the Koran if he can't meet the imam behind the Burlington Coat Factory Community Center.

Goddammit, I'm on the same side of an issue as al-Qaida now.

Sounds like something out of a mob movie. I wonder if there will be a bag of cash involved

[CountryBob]

Like AngryMissy brought my attention to - this douche was on the news this morning calling them Mozlem's instead of Muslims. Wierd how some do that?

[LordJezo]

Quran to be burned in Tennessee!

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=13129871

Quran to be burned in Wyoming!

http://www.wyomingnews.com/articles/2010/09/09/news/18local_09-09-10.txt

[midwestjeff]

I'm about to burn some copies right now.

Not to make a point just because it's fucking cold today.

[Misteriosa]

Like AngryMissy brought my attention to - this douche was on the news this morning calling them Mozlem's instead of Muslims. Wierd how some do that?

he was interviewed on the today show this morning.. i heard it and immediatley thought of what missy said. :rolleyes:

[disneyspy]

he was interviewed on the today show this morning.. i heard it and immediatley thought of what missy said. :rolleyes:

you're rolling your eyes at what missy said?

CAT FIGHT!!!

its sweet cuz theres so few chicks here

[Misteriosa]

you're rolling your eyes at what missy said?

CAT FIGHT!!!

its sweet cuz theres so few chicks here

no you shit stirrer.. i was rolling my eyes at the fact that of course that predictable old bigot would use the term "moslems"

[disneyspy]

no you shit stirrer.. i was rolling my eyes at the fact that of course that predictable old bigot would use the term "moslems"

my money's on you

and are you in salt lake city right now?

[KnoxHarrington]

no you shit stirrer.. i was rolling my eyes at the fact that of course that predictable old bigot would use the term "moslems"

It reminds me of right-wingers talking about the "Democrat Party": it's an attack, it's obviously meant as such, but if you call them on it, they can say "What? How is that an insult? It's just the name of their religion!"

Uh, no, it's not.

[brettmojo]

Compared to oil and wood pellets burning Qurans is actually a pretty inexpensive alternative source for heating fuel this winter.

[Dude!]

It's just the name of their religion!"

Uh, no, it's not.

neither is muslim

[KnoxHarrington]

neither is muslim

Many Islamic groups have made it clear that they prefer "Muslim", and here's why:

According to the Center for Nonproliferation Studies, "Moslem and Muslim are basically two different spellings for the same word." But the seemingly arbitrary choice of spellings is a sensitive subject for many followers of Islam. Whereas for most English speakers, the two words are synonymous in meaning, the Arabic roots of the two words are very different. A Muslim in Arabic means "one who gives himself to God," and is by definition, someone who adheres to Islam. By contrast, a Moslem in Arabic means "one who is evil and unjust" when the word is pronounced, as it is in English, Mozlem with a z.

I seriously doubt many of the teabagger douchebags who insist on saying "Moslem" knew that about the pronunciation in Arabic, but at the same time, I think it's been made clear in other ways that "Muslim" is the preferred pronunciation, and I don't see why it's such a big hassle to just start pronouncing it that way if asked nicely.

http://hnn.us/articles/524.html

[StanUpshaw]

Alright, so one word sounds close enough to another word that a certain group gets offended by that word and demands that society capitulate to their whims?

Gotcha.




How is this any different from the "niggardly" issue?

[A.J.]

How is this any different from the "niggardly" issue?

Niggard, please.

[sailor]

what does it matter what a word sounds like/means in another language? bimbo means baby in italian, should an italian not use that word to describe an american baby for fear of upsetting the mother? no, they would not care at all what it means in anything other than their language.

that said, i use muslim because it's what has become acceptable in society, i just don't get the need for society as a whole to switch for this reason.

[A.J.]

Somewhere Terry Jones smiles...

Settlers blamed for mosque blaze

Palestinians say Israeli settlers in the West Bank burnt prayer rugs and Quran copies in early morning attack. (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/10/201010481935553584.html)

[Chigworthy]

neither is muslim

You mean they aren't adherents of Muslim?