Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and Staff Shot in Arizona

[jauble]

wouldnt that be a window?

No, you cant look at yourself in a window.

[jauble]

Feel free to show me all of the threads I've started ranting about random political issues that I just then keep posting in as if this is my personal political blog!!! Surely you're not blind, eh, jauble?? You really think there are people here besides WF doing what he does in this forum??? Let's see the examples!!!

From what I read in this thread your point is "I'm progressive fuck the right" and his is "I am right fuck the liberals"

[disneyspy]

No, you cant look at yourself in a window.

ok then,which one of them is the others board character?

[jauble]

ok then,which one of them is the others board character?

Snoogans

[disneyspy]

mind blown

[jauble]

http://i52.tinypic.com/2055ag6.jpg

lock it up

[Rube]

Hey, did you guys hear that this nut shot up a bunch of people in Arizona?

I bet that will stir up a bunch of internet discussion.

[Barnaby Jones]

From what I read in this thread your point is "I'm progressive fuck the right" and his is "I am right fuck the liberals"

So you're making a conclusion without actualy knowing anything! Got it!!!

[disneyspy]

Hey, did you guys hear that this nut shot up a bunch of people in Arizona?

I bet that will stir up a bunch of internet discussion.

hey rube,i busted a nut in your mom and shot up in her real good

that cocktail waitress loved it!

[jauble]

So you're making a conclusion without actualy knowing anything! Got it!!!

Like I said I read the thread and summed up of of your points. While I may agree that WF is wrong (IN MY OPINION) on some of his things. How are you so sure you are correct?

[Barnaby Jones]

Like I said I read the thread and summed up of of your points. While I may agree that WF is wrong (IN MY OPINION) on some of his things. How are you so sure you are correct?

The only thing I'm sure I'm correct about is how WF keeps arguing against points that nobody here made!!! Where did anyone here ever say that nobody on the Left says anything hateful??? Yet that's what he keeps arguing!!!

[jauble]

The only thing I'm sure I'm correct about is how WF keeps arguing against points that nobody here made!!! Where did anyone here ever say that nobody on the Left says anything hateful??? Yet that's what he keeps arguing!!!

You encourage it though. You want to argue by borrowing terms like progressive and agitating someone who you clearly disagree with on a fundamental level.

[Rube]

I believe it is more caused by the economy and the media hype.

Despite a common belief that the attempted assassination of a U.S. politician is a rare event that happens once in a generation, a U.S. historian says it is a tradition that has reared its head whenever the country is in a period of social unrest and radical change.

Joseph Palermo, an expert on political history at California State University in Sacramento, said the struggling U.S. economy, combined with the polarizing hype created by the 24-hour news cycle, means conditions were ripe for the shooting of a congresswoman in Arizona on Saturday.

"People are very quick to try and pretend that the political assassination is very rare," he said in an interview with Postmedia News. "Sadly, the truth is, it's a very common element of any society, especially the United States."

In a blog written for the Huffington Post during Barack Obama's presidential campaign in 2008 and nearly two years to the day before Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was shot, Palermo was eerily prescient in his argument that as U.S. political discourse turned "loud" and "vitriolic," an assassination attempt was not beyond the realm of possibility.

"When the political winds blow toward radical change our recent history shows that there's a tendency for popular leaders on the left to face some form of unexplained tragedy," he wrote at the time.

While Palermo said last weekend's tragedy is not necessarily a sign of things to come, he said most U.S. assassination attempts have occurred during periods of civil strife.

In the last two years, high unemployment and the rise of grassroots politics in the form of the Tea Party have upped the ante in a country that has always seen firm lines drawn between the left and the right.

Palermo said the most recent example of a period of "unrest was the 1960s, when President John F. Kennedy, his presidential candidate brother Robert and civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr. were all slain.

Other periods where politically motivated killings rose were in the years after the U.S. Civil War, which claimed the life of President Abraham Lincoln, and during the Great Depression of the 1930s.

Two other U.S. presidents -James Garfield in 1881 and William McKinley in 1901 - have been assassinated, and many of the others have survived attempts on their lives, or have seen plots to kill them foiled, including Obama.

And Palermo said countless other politicians, including governors, senators, other federal and state legislators, mayors and civic leaders have been attacked.

"It shouldn't be seen as anything out of the ordinary, unfortunately," he said.
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Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/assassination+attempts+that+rare+historian/4088824/story.html#ixzz1AscRc7y9

[Rube]

That was completely uncalled for. My Mom would never wait tables!!

pee-pee pants renob!!

[jauble]

Well I guess thats that...

[Rube]

Well I guess thats that...

No way is this over!!! That Poopy Spy hasn't heard the last of me!!!

I'll make sure a target is placed on him he's set in front of a firing squad and shot DEAD.

GOD I HATE HIM!!!

[epo]

You encourage it though. You want to argue by borrowing terms like progressive and agitating someone who you clearly disagree with on a fundamental level.

False equivalency.

[Rube]

Yeah!!!!

[epo]

Yeah!!!!

Hows your mom these days?

[Rube]

Hows your mom these days?
Thank You for asking? That's very kind of you.

So like last week she went to the store to by me some mini bagel bites . I really like the mini bagel bites more than the original larger size. I think the peperoni to bagel ratio is much more in line. It makes for a more pizzaie taste which makes my computer snaking that much more enjoyable.

So, when she was at the store she meet this fella named Sam. He's the butcher at the IGA (International Grocery Association) . Sometimes I go there and he'll give me some sausage samples. I love to eat his sausage. But this time my Mom asked him to come over for dinner that night. It was really cool having Sam the butcher over for dinner. He brought some meat for us to eat and my Mom cooked it really well.

But later that night when I went into my room to watch Clash of the Titans I over heard them talking loudly in my Moms bedroom. I think that maybe Sam had been holding out on all the meat he brought, because my Mom kept asking him to give her more meat.

I never ever thought my Mom could eat so much!!!!

She is still dating Sam the butcher and I think that this time it'll last. I feel real good about this guy. After all, he has a great sausage!!!

[jauble]

False equivalency.

Not what I am getting at. If he is bringing nothing relevant to the topic why goad him on?

[spoon]

Thank You for asking? That's very kind of you.

So like last week she went to the store to by me some mini bagel bites . I really like the mini bagel bites more than the original larger size. I think the peperoni to bagel ratio is much more in line. It makes for a more pizzaie taste which makes my computer snaking that much more enjoyable.

So, when she was at the store she meet this fella named Sam. He's the butcher at the IGA (International Grocery Association) . Sometimes I go there and he'll give me some sausage samples. I love to eat his sausage. But this time my Mom asked him to come over for dinner that night. It was really cool having Sam the butcher over for dinner. He brought some meat for us to eat and my Mom cooked it really well.

But later that night when I went into my room to watch Clash of the Titans I over heard them talking loudly in my Moms bedroom. I think that maybe Sam had been holding out on all the meat he brought, because my Mom kept asking him to give her more meat.

I never ever thought my Mom could eat so much!!!!

She is still dating Sam the butcher and I think that this time it'll last. I feel real good about this guy. After all, he has a great sausage!!!

That's your rubitorial....THHHHHANK YOU!

[Pitdoc]

But on the Daily Show tonight, Tim Pawlenty was on, to plug his book, and Stewart put this to him.

If George Bush did even more actions than Obama that could be seen as raising the deficit (Medicare D) , or expanding government power(Homeland Security) , how come we never heard of tyranny & seize back our govenment then?

Pawlenty was just "uh, uh , uh" dumbstruck

Can't wait to see the full interview

[PapaBear]

He totally sidestepped any semblance of a real answer. Stewart also brought up Head Start as an example that Bush was the same as Obama.

[Crispy123]

From what I read in this thread your point is "I'm progressive fuck the right" and his is "I am right fuck the liberals"

For the record, its always been my position that I would fuck both WF & BJ.

[hanso]

i think both sides should be ashamed where this thread has ended up. a politician was shot and a little girl killed and it's become a name-calling thread. sad.

My troll list has been filled outside of this section. From what I remember.

Asshats know no boundaries.

[hanso]

The sad thing about the people from the tea party speaking, was that I can tell you with complete confidence that remarks like that aren't the kind of remarks that are being said by everyone who is affiliated with the movement.

And the remarks by the one reporter regarding the suspect being a left-wing pothead was the sentiment expressed by that fellow student of the shooter.

I saw one on the news (the hair dyed red guy) and he never said that.

[keithy_19]

I saw one on the news (the hair dyed red guy) and he never said that.

Not that guy. The girl who was tweeting during the shooting.

I just wanted to say that I thought that the president's speech was very good.

[CruelCircus]

But on the Daily Show tonight, Tim Pawlenty was on, to plug his book, and Stewart put this to him.

If George Bush did even more actions than Obama that could be seen as raising the deficit (Medicare D) , or expanding government power(Homeland Security) , how come we never heard of tyranny & seize back our govenment then?

Pawlenty was just "uh, uh , uh" dumbstruck

Can't wait to see the full interview

Then he (and you) just weren't paying attention (or are ignoring what actually happened), because there were PLENTY of people on the right who complained about Bush's spending and particularly on those two initiatives.

[hanso]

Not that guy. The girl who was tweeting during the shooting.

I just wanted to say that I thought that the president's speech was very good.

I did she a female kinda chuby. She didn't use those words.

[Ogre]

From what I read in this thread your point is "I'm progressive fuck the right" and his is "I am right fuck the liberals"

Finally a Cliff's Notes version so I don't have to labor thru this thread. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

http://www.harvestmkt.com/images/cliffsmakesshort_small_m9rt.jpg

[Zorro]

But on the Daily Show tonight, Tim Pawlenty was on, to plug his book, and Stewart put this to him.

If George Bush did even more actions than Obama that could be seen as raising the deficit (Medicare D) , or expanding government power(Homeland Security) , how come we never heard of tyranny & seize back our govenment then?

Pawlenty was just "uh, uh , uh" dumbstruck

Can't wait to see the full interview


It's a good question and if Pawlenty had any balls he'd ask where all the anti-war protestors have gone?

Where have all the screaming Dick Cheney wants to take your rights man people have gone?

Unless you are completely stupid you don't need John Stewart to point out the hyporcrisy in the politics.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Last nights memorial ceremony sadly became a 3 ring circus. Obama gave a good speech and was non partisan so he shouldn't get any criticism. Its the crowd who thought they were at a beatles concert. The excessive screaming of we love you to Obama. Why was there a medicine man opening up? Giffords is Jewish and none of the victims were Indians. Tshirts too ? come on. I dont recall the VA tech memorial becoming a rock concert

[Zorro]

Last nights memorial ceremony sadly became a 3 ring circus. Obama gave a good speech and was non partisan so he shouldn't get any criticism. Its the crowd who thought they were at a beatles concert. The excessive screaming of we love you to Obama. Why was there a medicine man opening up? Giffords is Jewish and none of the victims were Indians. Tshirts too ? come on. I dont recall the VA tech memorial becoming a rock concert


Why do I get the feeling if Obama raised the dead you'd have a complaint about it?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why do I get the feeling if Obama raised the dead you'd have a complaint about it?


Did you read what i posted? I did not criticize him It was the crowd who was pathetic

[A.J.]

Why do I get the feeling if Obama raised the dead you'd have a complaint about it?

I would. We don't need any zombies!

[Ogre]

Last nights memorial ceremony sadly became a 3 ring circus. Obama gave a good speech and was non partisan so he shouldn't get any criticism. Its the crowd who thought they were at a beatles concert. The excessive screaming of we love you to Obama. Why was there a medicine man opening up? Giffords is Jewish and none of the victims were Indians. Tshirts too ? come on. I dont recall the VA tech memorial becoming a rock concert

Circus may be over the top. Other than that I agree with you.

Point 1 The President gave a well thought out and written speech, which from what I understand he actually helped write instead of his speechwriters crafting it. Extra credit for that.

Point 2 Wrong venue...Idiot U of A students, acted as if it was a pep rally.

Point 3 WTF with the Medicine Man opening up? That was indulgent and had no relevance or context to this event. Just Wierd. and the University President, two words. Who Cares? He and the good Sherriff should swap numbers so that they can stroke one another and not waste our time.

So I guess the argument that no one agrees with WF, ever, on anything is in fact false.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Even though I am not religious, It must have pissed off the progressives, and the birthers when Obama quoted scriptures from the book of Job last night.

[Ogre]

Why do I get the feeling if Obama raised the dead you'd have a complaint about it?

Is that documented or undocumented dead?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Circus may be over the top. Other than that I agree with you.

Point 1 The President gave a well thought out and written speech, which from what I understand he actually helped write instead of his speechwriters crafting it. Extra credit for that.

Point 2 Wrong venue...Idiot U of A students, acted as if it was a pep rally.

Point 3 WTF with the Medicine Man opening up? That was indulgent and had no relevance or context to this event. Just Wierd. and the University President, two words. Who Cares? He and the good Sherriff should swap numbers so that they can stroke one another and not waste our time.

So I guess the argument that no one agrees with WF, ever, on anything is in fact false.

BJ's head is going to explode

[Zorro]

Did you read what i posted? I did not criticize him It was the crowd who was pathetic

Actually I'd given up reading your stuff long ago

[Crispy123]

BJ's head is going to explode

eeewwwwwwww!!!

[Dude!]

Point 2 Wrong venue...Idiot U of A students, acted as if it was a pep rally.

that was incredibly embarrassing
you expected cheerleaders
to run out with pom-poms yelling:

2-4-6-8- who do we appreciate...
Giffords!

[Ogre]

Even though I am not religious, It must have pissed off the progressives, and the birthers when Obama quoted scriptures from the book of Job last night.

Just the opposite. Now if there had been a Rhabbi reading from the Torah or Christian Cleregy reading what The President did, then you would have had issues.

As it turned out the service morphed into The President acting as a Revival Preacher torwards the end. He just went into the direction the crowd guided him to. This was evident in the difference in pace and timber of his speech.

[Dudeman]

Obama gave a good speech and was non partisan so he shouldn't get any criticism. Its the crowd who thought they were at a beatles concert.


I dont recall the VA tech memorial becoming a rock concert


From the VTech Magazine:

MEMORIAL ISSUE . May 2007

How best to memorialize the horrific events that took place on April 16, 2007? By showing the nation and the world what "Hokie spirit" really means.

Giovanni's words were met with thundering applause and a standing ovation. And then, entirely unexpectedly, students, faculty, staff, alumni, and parents alike began chanting, "Let's go, Hokies!" until their voices rang through the rafters of Cassell. That spontaneous outburst embodies the university's indomitable will and strength of character. (http://www.vtmagazine.vt.edu/memorial07/editor.html)

[CountryBob]

From the VTech Magazine:

MEMORIAL ISSUE . May 2007

How best to memorialize the horrific events that took place on April 16, 2007? By showing the nation and the world what "Hokie spirit" really means.

Giovanni's words were met with thundering applause and a standing ovation. And then, entirely unexpectedly, students, faculty, staff, alumni, and parents alike began chanting, "Let's go, Hokies!" until their voices rang through the rafters of Cassell. That spontaneous outburst embodies the university's indomitable will and strength of character. (http://www.vtmagazine.vt.edu/memorial07/editor.html)

FACE!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

From the VTech Magazine:

MEMORIAL ISSUE . May 2007

How best to memorialize the horrific events that took place on April 16, 2007? By showing the nation and the world what "Hokie spirit" really means.

Giovanni's words were met with thundering applause and a standing ovation. And then, entirely unexpectedly, students, faculty, staff, alumni, and parents alike began chanting, "Let's go, Hokies!" until their voices rang through the rafters of Cassell. That spontaneous outburst embodies the university's indomitable will and strength of character. (http://www.vtmagazine.vt.edu/memorial07/editor.html)

They were showing unity and remembering the victims, not fawning over the President

[foodcourtdruide]

Then he (and you) just weren't paying attention (or are ignoring what actually happened), because there were PLENTY of people on the right who complained about Bush's spending and particularly on those two initiatives.

People on the right were wary of it, but you cannot seriously claim that the reaction was even REMOTELY as hyperbolic as it is with Obama.

[Furtherman]

They were showing unity and remembering the victims, not fawning over the President

Your TV must be distorted too.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Your TV must be distorted too.

How many screams of we luv ya dubya did you hear ?

[Ogre]

How many screams of we luv ya dubya did you hear ?

you just can't leave it alone can you?

[Pitdoc]

Then he (and you) just weren't paying attention (or are ignoring what actually happened), because there were PLENTY of people on the right who complained about Bush's spending and particularly on those two initiatives.

I know that Fox & others were complaining about the price of all the spending Bush did, but they were fringe complaints, not conservative dogma like you hear now.And the week after Obama was inaugurated,and from then on , some of those same pundits were calling the bank bail out "OBAMA's bailout"

[keithy_19]

The way the crowd was during the memorial made me kind of uncomfortable, but I thought that Obama did great with how he dealt with it.

[foodcourtdruide]

How many screams of we luv ya dubya did you hear ?

Who cares?

[keithy_19]

Laura Ingraham is just awful.

[spoon]

Laura Ingraham is just awful.

Well yah, shut up and sign didn't give it away immediately?

What did she say now?

[keithy_19]

Well yah, shut up and sign didn't give it away immediately?

What did she say now?

Just how Obama's speech was political. Yet she's the one who is making it political. She sucks so much.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Laura who ?

[foodcourtdruide]

Laura who ?

She's your run-of-the-mill conservative talk show host:
http://www.lauraingraham.com/

Doesn't she do FoxNews a lot?

[Furtherman]

Laura who ?

Liar.

[foodcourtdruide]

Liar.

Yeah, I was thinking that too. If I know who Laura Ingraham is, how could WF not know?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Was being sarcastic

I know who Ingraham is. That voice of hers is atrocious

[Barnaby Jones]

BJ's head is going to explode

Heh, nope! Keep trying, sweetie! As you can see, you did exactly what I said...even when someone sort of agrees with a point you made you drive them away! Check this very page! Keep up the good work, toots!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Heh, nope! Keep trying, sweetie! As you can see, you did exactly what I said...even when someone sort of agrees with a point you made you drive them away! Check this very page! Keep up the good work, toots!!!

My choice of words should have been better. I used BJ and head in the same sentence

[Dude!]

My choice of words should have been better. I used BJ and head in the same sentence

well, that is better than
the words 'BJ and brain'
which can never be used
in the same sentence

[Barnaby Jones]

Such a silly troll!

[hanso]

Not that guy. The girl who was tweeting during the shooting.

I just wanted to say that I thought that the president's speech was very good.

Missed this part. Thought it was the video clip.

[keithy_19]

Missed this part. Thought it was the video clip.

It's all good.

[hanso]

holy crap

http://media2.abc15.com//photo/2011/01/10/loughner_20110110150120_640_480.JPG

http://www.10pix.ru/img1/233490/3277283.jpg
FL-GOV. Rick Scott

[Ogre]

http://www.10pix.ru/img1/233490/3277283.jpg
FL-GOV. Rick Scott

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_EYQOjXdx5l4/RgUzYBbTWaI/AAAAAAAAABk/DVwoGCW0EyY/s400/midnight_oil_diesel_and_dust_peter_garrett_hills_h ave_eyes.png

[hanso]

They will both rob you blind.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Sheriff Dopenik at it again. Hes the jerkoff who blamed talk radio for the Giffords shooting





http://azstarnet.com/news/local/article_47d3b9b2-8345-11e0-a48d-001cc4c03286.html


"Could Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik have bungled the explanation for this shooting any worse? His department first said Guerena fired at the SWAT officers. Then it said he didn't. The officers now say he raised his gun with the safety on and pointed it at them. Since the correction, Dupnik has refused to comment on what went down".

[Zorro]

Sheriff Dopenik at it again. Hes the jerkoff who blamed talk radio for the Giffords shooting





http://azstarnet.com/news/local/article_47d3b9b2-8345-11e0-a48d-001cc4c03286.html


"Could Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik have bungled the explanation for this shooting any worse? His department first said Guerena fired at the SWAT officers. Then it said he didn't. The officers now say he raised his gun with the safety on and pointed it at them. Since the correction, Dupnik has refused to comment on what went down".

he's not the brightest light on the tree, but I don't see anything evil going on here

[KC2OSO]

They will both rob you blind.

The guy from Midnight Oil won't rob you.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

JLL not mentally competent to stand trial


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_congresswoman_shot_mental_competency

[Dude!]

JLL not mentally competent to stand trial

either is Gabby

[Furtherman]

Gabrielle Giffords’ Incredible TV Interview (http://jezebel.com/5859593/gabrielle-giffords-incredible-tv-interview)

Amazing that's she's able to function they way she is after a bullet going through your brain.

[Jujubees2]

Gabrielle Giffords’ Incredible TV Interview (http://jezebel.com/5859593/gabrielle-giffords-incredible-tv-interview)

Amazing that's she's able to function they way she is after a bullet going through your brain.

Good thing she had government sponsored health care!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Good thing she was treated in the US

[A.J.]

Gabrielle Giffords’ Incredible TV Interview (http://jezebel.com/5859593/gabrielle-giffords-incredible-tv-interview)

Amazing that's she's able to function they way she is after a bullet going through your brain.

She speaks more articulately than Sandusky did.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

She speaks more articulately than Sandusky did.

Also Cain.

[Dude!]

i find the new shape of her head
very appealing

[Snacks]

she looks great, Im shocked her face doesnt look deformed or altered. Her arm hangs and she walks with a serious limp but Im guessing that will be like that forever? I didnt watch the entire interview or read the article attached to this post but she sounds like a child. Will her speech get back to normal, is she capable of thinking like before or will she forever be in that child like, friendly state?

Either way what a great story of recovery and her and her husbands strength and the bond they have!

[keithy_19]

Pretty amazing video.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Debbie Wasserman Schultz. The gift that keeps on giving


http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/dnc-chair-blames-tea-party-tucson-shooting/307106

[Dude!]

Debbie Wasserman Schultz. The gift that keeps on giving


http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/dnc-chair-blames-tea-party-tucson-shooting/307106

ugh...he is beyond grotesque

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Lack of civility? Has that fucking dope been in a coma for 4 months? Guess she never heard of Occupy

[sailor]

she's supposedly going to resign this week.

[HBox]

It's so sad every time I hear her talk. She's the same in her head and it has to be beyond frustrating and heartbreaking for her not to be able communicate.

Hopefully one day she recovers enough to make a comeback.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Gotta give her a lot of credit for stepping down and here's why.

Her health and recovery is much more important than holding any sort of power and being in political office. If she ran for reelection she would have won easily. What opponent would go after her record after all shes been thru. To be blunt she would have gotten elected on a sympathy vote.


She has made great progress after being shot at such a close range.