Scott Walker the naturally thin Chris Christie

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I hope your Xanax is covered under Obamacare Knox. Do you forget that Mozillos company was doling out sweetheart mortgage deals to public servants ala Chris Dodd and illegal aliens were also getting mortgages.


GM s bailout was a payout by Obama to his handlers in the UAW while bondholders were fucked over. But you don't point that out.

Who's the dumb one now?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Fucking love that sign.

Much more clever than the misspelled racial slurs you see at a teabagger rally.


You mean like racial slurs against Clarance Thomas by progressives protesting outside of a Koch Brothers event?
I guess that's ok because Thomas is an uncle Tom right?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Fucking love that sign.

Much more clever than the misspelled racial slurs you see at a teabagger rally.

The man crush you have for him it looks like you want to swallow his load

[Dude!]

The man crush you have for him it looks like you want to swallow his load


face!

[KnoxHarrington]

I hope your Xanax is covered under Obamacare Knox. Do you forget that Mozillos company was doling out sweetheart mortgage deals to public servants ala Chris Dodd and illegal aliens were also getting mortgages.


GM s bailout was a payout by Obama to his handlers in the UAW while bondholders were fucked over. But you don't point that out.

Who's the dumb one now?

I want anyone who had anything to do with the housing market crash either kicked the fuck out of office or put in jail. Regardless of party.

You keep getting bogged down in shit that is insignificant in comparison. Like a rube, you keep going after the targets Fox News and right-wing bullshit artists tell you to go after while the real bad guys get away.

Anyway, I'm done with this shit. You're incapable of actual argument. Your act is old and busted, and I'm doing waht I suggest everyone do: putting your ass on ignore.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I want anyone who had anything to do with the housing market crash either kicked the fuck out of office or put in jail. Regardless of party.

You keep getting bogged down in shit that is insignificant in comparison. Like a rube, you keep going after the targets Fox News and right-wing bullshit artists tell you to go after while the real bad guys get away.

Anyway, I'm done with this shit. You're incapable of actual argument. Your act is old and busted, and I'm doing waht I suggest everyone do: putting your ass on ignore.

Rube Fox News Koch Brothers, you fucking progressive lemmings are so predictable. I am upset that you didn't throw in racist

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I love how the progressives are throwing a temper tantrum here. Their world of thug tactics organizing forced coercion self righteousness the mentality of everyones out to get me attitude and the resistance of the Cloward Piven model are blowing up in their faces. Once the thugs in the Union in Wisconsin fall other states will follow.


Notice I was the calm one and the progressives are the ones going apeshit

[Barnaby Jones]

You really seem to be a damaged human being.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Don't talk about Knox like that

[Tenbatsuzen]

Sure, Schundler lied. But lets' not re-write what Christie actually did, which is what I ripped him for:

New Jersey Gov Rips U.S. Education Dept. for Loss of Race to the Top Funds (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/26/new-jersey-governor-blasts-drones-loss-federal-education-grant/)



Let's not forget: Christie blasted the White House and the President for a fuck-up on his staff. Trying to re-write that is just crazy talk.

THAT WAS BEFORE HE KNEW SCHUNDLER LIED TO HIM. It was presented to him BY SCHUNDLER that the Obama admin fucked up, and then he ripped the admin. When he found out that Schundler was the one who fucked up, Christie fired him.

And yes, the Obama admin really dislikes Christie. That's why LaHood basically stood behind him when it came to ARC project overruns, and why Christie was at the most recent State Dinner.

[spoon]

Seriously, who wants this "progress" from "progressives" anyways? We don't need teachers or teachers unions. Those kids should be in a factory working 18 hour days if they are over the age of 10, not in school.

Wait I'm confused...the US has no factories.

So are you saying it's time for a siesta road trip to Mexico?

:wink:

[spoon]

Yeah, fuck this progress shit. All kids should have their dreams crushed as early as possible and forced into a life of hard labor for menial wages. Education gives them the idea that they live in a country where you can do whatever you want with your life, regardless of the circumstances of your birth. What kind of faggot commie bullshit is that?

Especially if they're poor. And really especially if they're...well, you know. Not of fair hue.

Let's all let our kids work in the mines and or be breaker boys so we can experiment more with the long lost black lung.

[spoon]

Why the fuck is Obama sticking his nose in this? Its none of his god damned business. This isnt a federal issue.


Heres the reason why. His rent a mob has a stake in this


http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/116495913.html?page=1



Jesse Jackson graced Madison with his appearance wheres his brother in arms, the other media whore and the other half of the poverty pimping street hustlers Al Sharpton?

So you really believe this isn't just a union breaker move just like Regan in the 80's? And as stated on many informed outlets that losing the unions as contributors to the Dem candidates they pretty much are in deep shit. So yah, this has no federal/national implications at all. None. :wallbash:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So you really believe this isn't just a union breaker move just like Regan in the 80's? And as stated on many informed outlets that losing the unions as contributors to the Dem candidates they pretty much are in deep shit. So yah, this has no federal/national implications at all. None. :wallbash:

I dont believe other unions like the UAW will have anything to worry about. As much as I dont agree with unions in the private sector I can buy a car from Honda, BMW etc.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Lets see if Lardball Matthews, Cenk Uygur the newest failure crazy Larry O'Donnell or Olbermanns nephew Maddow will show this.



http://www.thoughtsfromaconservativemom.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/110217-wi-142.jpg


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-eWZaTnNFwNU/TV3T_8Etq5I/AAAAAAAAj1U/e3XOFrfyqcM/s1600/110217-wi-171.jpg

[hanso]

In its Jan. 31 memo to legislators on the condition of the state's budget, the Fiscal Bureau determined that the state will end the year with a balance of $121.4 million.

To the extent that there is an imbalance -- Walker claims there is a $137 million deficit -- it is not because of a drop in revenues or increases in the cost of state employee contracts, benefits or pensions. It is because Walker and his allies pushed through $140 million in new spending for special-interest groups in January.

[epo]

In its Jan. 31 memo to legislators on the condition of the state's budget, the Fiscal Bureau determined that the state will end the year with a balance of $121.4 million.

To the extent that there is an imbalance -- Walker claims there is a $137 million deficit -- it is not because of a drop in revenues or increases in the cost of state employee contracts, benefits or pensions. It is because Walker and his allies pushed through $140 million in new spending for special-interest groups in January.

Exactly. This is a budget "crisis" that Governor Walker created for his own purposes.

[keithy_19]

If anyone would like to get a very good take on all these things that are happening in Wisconsin, feel free to check this out. Melee In Wisconsin (http://keithradzion.wordpress.com)

Kind of like spam, but you can't buy anything and I'm not speaking in a foreign tongue.

[disneyspy]

If anyone would like to get a very good take on all these things that are happening in Wisconsin, feel free to check this out. Melee In Wisconsin (http://keithradzion.wordpress.com)

Kind of like spam, but you can't buy anything and I'm not speaking in a foreign tongue.

pretty sneaky keithy,i finally read your blog

[keithy_19]

pretty sneaky keithy,i finally read your blog

Hoorah!

[Sinestro]

Hoorah!

you should write about yesterday in the city.

[keithy_19]

you should write about yesterday in the city.

I took the train into the city, went to Virgils for some good bbq, went to Bourbon Street on 46th (I think?) and had a few Guinness there, took the subway to 23rd street where I drank at Limerick House (my favorite bar in the city) and had some more Guinness while conversing with a cute asian girl, and while smoking a cigarette and saying that herself and I should do a shot she said we should do a carbomb, so we went inside and did a carbomb and I walked her to the PATH station, exchanged numbers and we agreed we should meet up again sometime and we went our separate ways.

I was also at Idle Hands but no one seemed to notice I was there so I left.

And that's the story of Keith's big night in the city.

[Sinestro]

I took the train into the city, went to Virgils for some good bbq, went to Bourbon Street on 46th (I think?) and had a few Guinness there, took the subway to 23rd street where I drank at Limerick House (my favorite bar in the city) and had some more Guinness while conversing with a cute asian girl, and while smoking a cigarette and saying that herself and I should do a shot she said we should do a carbomb, so we went inside and did a carbomb and I walked her to the PATH station, exchanged numbers and we agreed we should meet up again sometime and we went our separate ways.

I was also at Idle Hands but no one seemed to notice I was there so I left.

And that's the story of Keith's big night in the city.

Truth or fiction? I see a future thread about should i call her or not. Good luck.

[keithy_19]

Truth or fiction? I see a future thread about should i call her or not. Good luck.

We sure did.

And no threads about relationships anymore. I'm sticking to threads about promoting my haphazardly written blog.

And thanks.

[underdog]

http://johns-jokes.com/afiles/images/arguing_on_the_internet.jpg

Is there someone that can change this to say "Arguing with WRESTLINGFAN" instead?

[keithy_19]

Is there someone that can change this to say "Arguing with WRESTLINGFAN" instead?

Hey underdog, please keep the conversation on what matters: what I wrote about the fiasco in Wisconsin.

[disneyspy]

http://johns-jokes.com/afiles/images/arguing_on_the_internet.jpg

Is there someone that can change this to say "Arguing with WRESTLINGFAN" instead?

thats just mean undie,everyone knows WF doesnt like progressives cuz he's a regressive

and WF looks happy in that pic

[WRESTLINGFAN]

thats just mean undie,everyone knows WF doesnt like progressives cuz he's a regressive

and WF looks happy in that pic

You would just go ahead and eat the medal if you won the race

[epo]

Today should be interesting in Madison as it's a negotiated unpaid furlough day for alot of public sector workers in the state.

[A.J.]

Today should be interesting in Madison as it's a negotiated unpaid furlough day for alot of public sector workers in the state.

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[Dude!]

Today should be interesting in Madison as it's a negotiated unpaid furlough day for alot of public sector workers in the state.

as opposed to most of
their days

which are negotiated
paid furlough days

[Dudeman]

Brilliant summary by a brilliant man.

In this situation, it makes sense to call for shared sacrifice, including monetary concessions from state workers. And union leaders have signaled that they are, in fact, willing to make such concessions.

But Mr. Walker isn’t interested in making a deal. Partly that’s because he doesn’t want to share the sacrifice: even as he proclaims that Wisconsin faces a terrible fiscal crisis, he has been pushing through tax cuts that make the deficit worse. Mainly, however, he has made it clear that rather than bargaining with workers, he wants to end workers’ ability to bargain.


In principle, every American citizen has an equal say in our political process. In practice, of course, some of us are more equal than others. Billionaires can field armies of lobbyists; they can finance think tanks that put the desired spin on policy issues; they can funnel cash to politicians with sympathetic views (as the Koch brothers did in the case of Mr. Walker). On paper, we’re a one-person-one-vote nation; in reality, we’re more than a bit of an oligarchy, in which a handful of wealthy people dominate.

Given this reality, it’s important to have institutions that can act as counterweights to the power of big money. And unions are among the most important of these institutions.

You don’t have to love unions, you don’t have to believe that their policy positions are always right, to recognize that they’re among the few influential players in our political system representing the interests of middle- and working-class Americans, as opposed to the wealthy. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/21/opinion/21krugman.html?src=me&ref=general)

(Notice how he is able to point out that his side (the unions) have to make concessions, or that they may not always be right. That's the difference between stupid people and smart people- the smart people can recognize the weakness of their position and the strength of the alternatives. Stupid people (Bush, Hannity, Palin, Bachmann, Rand Paul) believe their position is always 100% right and that the alternative has absolutely no merit- they'd go so far as to mock the need to fund Child Protective Services or not acknowledge the need to regulate a factory from utilizing unsafe (lethal) working conditions in attempt to increase their profit margin just to stick to their world view.)

[spoon]

Oh, by the way, that video of a "doctor" handing out excuses that WF got so angry about.

Total bullshit.

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/wisconsin-protesters-breitbarted-over-bogus

The "doctors" were plants, intentionally put there to get video for Fox News to use.

But, yeah, both sides are just as bad, amirite?

Not to mention a ton of these signs are "doctored too". There are sites showing the real pic and what they were turned into. Regardless, some are fucking funny and I wish they were real.

[spoon]

I dont believe other unions like the UAW will have anything to worry about. As much as I dont agree with unions in the private sector I can buy a car from Honda, BMW etc.

The unionized workforce is already to historic low levels, approximately 7% in total. I'd say any hit is a huge hit at this point.

[Dude!]

The unionized workforce is already to historic low levels, approximately 7% in total. I'd say any hit is a huge hit at this point.

another one who
makes up 'facts'

it is ~ 12%

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Someone else opposed to public sector workers unionizing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Meany


Like unionizing these people would be a geat idea

http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg350/phemohilia/Funny/thetsa.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Keith Olbermanns nephew needs to fire her research team.




http://politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/feb/18/rachel-maddow/rachel-maddow-says-wisconsin-track-have-budget-sur/

[spoon]

another one who
makes up 'facts'

it is ~ 12%

Hence my approximate point, you know, the same you used. I've seen it reported bt 7-10% so I'm not sure where you came up with your stat, but neither posted it as a definitive number and my point with either percentage is valid.

So the whole point is missed by another one who is just blinded by their side of the issue.

[spoon]

Keith Olbermanns nephew needs to fire her research team.




http://politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/feb/18/rachel-maddow/rachel-maddow-says-wisconsin-track-have-budget-sur/

Nice to see you move on to bad gay jokes..even if you've already pounded it into the ground.

Classic, she looks like a boy to you! I get jokes.

What a fucking douche.

[spoon]

Someone else opposed to public sector workers unionizing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Meany


Like unionizing these people would be a geat idea

http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg350/phemohilia/Funny/thetsa.jpg

And guess who would be outraged when they use the people not checked as a way to get something on a plane? We'd all hear about how it's Obama's fault and somehow illegal immigrants or unions.

[Dude!]

So the whole point is missed by another one who is just blinded by their side of the issue.

points made with numbers
that are 40+% off from reality
are not valid

you should check your numbers
before posting your drivel

is this definintive enough?:
US Bureau of Labor Statistics

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm

beats your huffington post source

[spoon]

points made with numbers
that are 40+% off from reality
are not valid

you should check your numbers
before posting your drivel

is this definintive enough?:
US Bureau of Labor Statistics

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm

beats your huffington post source

first off, my point is still completely valid

secondly, what huff post source? I quoted nothing, just that I heard/read the stat recently or something close to it.

finally, the 7% I remember was probably this than the rate for private sector workers (6.9 percent)

Yes sir, you still can't see the point bc assholes will be assholes. Way to just be yourself.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Nice to see you move on to bad gay jokes..even if you've already pounded it into the ground.

Classic, she looks like a boy to you! I get jokes.

What a fucking douche.

Funny you mentioned gay and pounded in the same sentence. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


Im not sure if Maddow douches

[WRESTLINGFAN]

And guess who would be outraged when they use the people not checked as a way to get something on a plane? We'd all hear about how it's Obama's fault and somehow illegal immigrants or unions.

Dont complain when they unionize and the happy ending you get from them before getting on the plane is too rough

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why do teachers hate taxpayers?


http://maciverinstitute.com/2011/02/teacher-sick-outs-to-cost-taxpayers-more-than-6-million/

[epo]

Why do teachers hate taxpayers?


http://maciverinstitute.com/2011/02/teacher-sick-outs-to-cost-taxpayers-more-than-6-million/

The MacIver Institute is a right wing think tank in Wisconsin funded by the Koch Brothers. They are not legitimate.

[Crispy123]

Read this on FB yesterday.

Are you sick of highly paid teachers?
by Meredith M. on Friday, February 18, 2011 at 6:32pm.


Teachers' hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or10 months a year! It's time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do - babysit!

We can get that for less than minimum wage.



That's right. Let's give them $3.00 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or any time they spend before or after school. That would be $19.50 a day (7:45 to 3:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch and plan-- that equals 6 1/2 hours).



Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day...maybe 30? So that's $19.50 x 30 = $585.00 a day.

However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations.

LET'S SEE....

That's $585 X 180= $105,300

per year. (Hold on! My calculator needs new batteries).



What about those special

education teachers and the ones with Master's degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage ($7.75), and just to be fair, round it off to $8.00 an

hour. That would be $8 X 6 1/2 hours X 30 children X 180 days = $280,800 per year.

Wait a minute -- there's

something wrong here! There sure is!

The average teacher's salary

(nation wide) is $50,000. $50,000/180 days

= $277.77/per day/30

students=$9.25/6.5 hours = $1.42 per hour per student--a very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even EDUCATE your kids!) WHAT A DEAL!!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Year after year the teachers unions tell taxpayers to suck it up while the budget of these districts expand. They demand more money and cry its for the children. Top heavy schools do not need diversity officers or gay affairs liasions. Multi million dollar scoreboards for the football team are not a necessity or a human right.

[Dudeman]

The MacIver Institute is a right wing think tank in Wisconsin funded by the Koch Brothers. They are not legitimate.

Americans for Prosperity: Virginia-based nonprofit group, whose budget surged to $40 million in 2010 from $7 million three years ago, was created and financed in part by the secretive billionaire brothers Charles G. and David H. Koch.

State records also show that Koch Industries, their energy and consumer products conglomerate based in Wichita, Kan., was one of the biggest contributors to the election campaign of Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin, a Republican who has championed the proposed cuts.

this intervention in Wisconsin is proof of the expanding role played by nonprofit groups with murky ties to wealthy corporate executives as they push a decidedly conservative agenda.

“The Koch brothers are the poster children of the effort by multinational corporate America to try to redefine the rights and values of American citizens,” (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/us/22koch.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=politics)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

And who is a major financier of many progressive groups IE Center for American progress?


http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy172/ostracon321/Soros.jpg

[Dudeman]

Multi million dollar scoreboards for the football team are not a necessity or a human right.

Could you provide evidence of multi-million dollar scoreboards being paid for with federal or state tax money??

Once again you've created a boogieman (all welfare recipients using welfare checks to buy BMWs and school districts using your tax money to buy football scoreboards.) Actually it is those benefited from Bush's tax cuts for the rich that aren't putting the money back into their business or donating it for vitally needed social servicies or even to the school for new books, rather just on high school scoreboard vanity projects.

I searched for some examples, and all I found were ones that were bought by private donations.

Example #1:
The new high definition scoreboard and new turf field were used for the first time in a football game.

The field and scoreboard were paid for by donations from local families to the Athletic Booster program./ (http://thewolfprint.com/sports/2010/09/28/new-scoreboard-and-field-unveiled/)

Example #2:
When completed, the scoreboard will stand 40 feet high and 32 feet wide with a 6-foot-tall and 12-foot-wide color display

However, even with the donated labor and materials, the sign was an expensive undertaking, paid for by sponsors and several anonymous private donors.

"This was not a school fundraising activity," Robins said. "The funds for the sign were 100 percent privately donated, so we are excited and proud of the fact that the community is involved in our programs. It says a lot about their excitement for Springville High, and we couldn't be happier." (http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/south/springville/article_0bc1c2ed-373a-53dc-befa-7e46c4c966ba.html)

Example #3:
Next season, the Sweetwater Mustangs will be stomping on new turf, thanks to another generous donation from past Sweetwater High School graduate, Larry Durham. Durham is a member of the class of 1961 and past owner of Durham Transportation, a private school bus company.

Ron Stein has also made a donation for a new score board. Stein, owner of Texas TST, Inc. donated $12,000 for a new high school score board, which has already been installed in the SHS gym. (http://www.sweetwaterreporter.com/content/shs-receives-donations-turf-scoreboard)

Even if one place did use tax money for a scoreboard, I think it is fairly evident that the vast majority are paid for by donations from those in the upper tax brackets.

[brettmojo]

Read this on FB yesterday.
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee103/brettmojo/vanderbeek-double-take.gif

[Dudeman]

And who is a major financier of many progressive groups IE Center for American progress?


http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy172/ostracon321/Soros.jpg

WF is Glenn Beck. Glenn Beck is WF

http://www.emagill.com/gallery/glennbeck2.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Could you provide evidence of multi-million dollar scoreboards being paid for with federal or state tax money??

Once again you've created a boogieman (all welfare recipients using welfare checks to buy BMWs and school districts using your tax money to buy football scoreboards.) Actually it is those benefited from Bush's tax cuts for the rich that aren't putting the money back into their business or donating it for vitally needed social servicies or even to the school for new books, rather just on high school scoreboard vanity projects.

I searched for some examples, and all I found were ones that were bought by private donations.

Example #1:
The new high definition scoreboard and new turf field were used for the first time in a football game.

The field and scoreboard were paid for by donations from local families to the Athletic Booster program./ (http://thewolfprint.com/sports/2010/09/28/new-scoreboard-and-field-unveiled/)

Example #2:
When completed, the scoreboard will stand 40 feet high and 32 feet wide with a 6-foot-tall and 12-foot-wide color display

However, even with the donated labor and materials, the sign was an expensive undertaking, paid for by sponsors and several anonymous private donors.

"This was not a school fundraising activity," Robins said. "The funds for the sign were 100 percent privately donated, so we are excited and proud of the fact that the community is involved in our programs. It says a lot about their excitement for Springville High, and we couldn't be happier." (http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/south/springville/article_0bc1c2ed-373a-53dc-befa-7e46c4c966ba.html)

Example #3:
Next season, the Sweetwater Mustangs will be stomping on new turf, thanks to another generous donation from past Sweetwater High School graduate, Larry Durham. Durham is a member of the class of 1961 and past owner of Durham Transportation, a private school bus company.

Ron Stein has also made a donation for a new score board. Stein, owner of Texas TST, Inc. donated $12,000 for a new high school score board, which has already been installed in the SHS gym. (http://www.sweetwaterreporter.com/content/shs-receives-donations-turf-scoreboard)

Even if one place did use tax money for a scoreboard, I think it is fairly evident that the vast majority are paid for by donations from those in the upper tax brackets.



60 MILLION BUYS A LOT!!!! Imagine how much more the teachers could have been paid


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704170404575625052165387966.html



Now your kids can say Alluh Akhbar

http://www.examiner.com/republican-in-fort-collins/mandatory-arabic-paid-for-with-tax-dollars-public-schools

[WRESTLINGFAN]

WF is Glenn Beck. Glenn Beck is WF

http://www.emagill.com/gallery/glennbeck2.jpg

I knew Soros was a hardcore progressive before the Beckster got his blackboard

Fox news, Koch Brothers is there anything else in your script?

[foodcourtdruide]

60 MILLION BUYS A LOT!!!! Imagine how much more the teachers could have been paid


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704170404575625052165387966.html



Now your kids can say Alluh Akhbar

http://www.examiner.com/republican-in-fort-collins/mandatory-arabic-paid-for-with-tax-dollars-public-schools

Did you even read the first article?

In short, the people of Allen are willing to pay $60 million for a high-school football stadium. And they're not shortchanging academics to do it. In my view: No harm, no foul.

EDIT: Also, what was the point of the xenophobic paranoia of the 2nd article?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Did you even read the first article?

In short, the people of Allen are willing to pay $60 million for a high-school football stadium. And they're not shortchanging academics to do it. In my view: No harm, no foul.

EDIT: Also, what was the point of the xenophobic paranoia of the 2nd article?

Proves my point that only property owners should vote for school budgets.


So would you be Ok with school districts giving mandatory bible classes?

[foodcourtdruide]

Proves my point that only property owners should vote for school budgets.


So would you be Ok with school districts giving mandatory bible classes?

Christianity is my favorite language. The better question would be if I was OK with mandatory Latin classes, and my answer would be yes.

Way to totally distort a story in order to be outraged by it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

There will be a new team which will comprise of public sector unions.


GREEN BAY SLACKERS

[WRESTLINGFAN]

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Christianity is my favorite language. The better question would be if I was OK with mandatory Latin classes, and my answer would be yes.

Way to totally distort a story in order to be outraged by it.

Have those students learn latin and require them to attend a Tridentine high mass

[Dudeman]

60 MILLION BUYS A LOT!!!! Imagine how much more the teachers could have been paid

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704170404575625052165387966.html


That was a bond. You made the claim, now quit changing the topic and back it up. I said those socreboards were from rich donors (who got tax brakes and aren't putting the money into their businesses to create jobs or donating it for vital social services (like new school books)- and I found multiple examples backing up my claim.

You base your beliefs on your fears and preconceived notions. I have backed mine up with facts. If you want a debate, at least stick to facts and don't change make stuff up or the subject when you can't.

[foodcourtdruide]

Have those students learn latin and require them to attend a Tridentine high mass

What the FUCK are you talking about? There is no mention of a religious ceremony the students will be forced to attend. Seriously WF, everytime you post an article that I think is the dumbest thing I've ever seen on the internet, you post another one that is even worse.

[foodcourtdruide]

Have those students learn latin and require them to attend a Tridentine high mass

Also, the comments (which, actually have as much credit as this article) claim it's just an elective anyway.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What the FUCK are you talking about? There is no mention of a religious ceremony the students will be forced to attend. Seriously WF, everytime you post an article that I think is the dumbest thing I've ever seen on the internet, you post another one that is even worse.

Why is Arabic mandatory then? If anything let it be optional.

[Dudeman]

What the FUCK are you talking about? There is no mention of a religious ceremony the students will be forced to attend. Seriously WF, everytime you post an article that I think is the dumbest thing I've ever seen on the internet, you post another one that is even worse.

why do we waste our time?

it looks so easy- his arguments are so bad, that it is just to easy to disprove them. but then he ignores the facts or changes the topic to something bizarre. even though i don't follow what i preach, we should treat him like the westboro baptist church.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That was a bond. You made the claim, now quit changing the topic and back it up. I said those socreboards were from rich donors (who got tax brakes and aren't putting the money into their businesses to create jobs or donating it for vital social services (like new school books)- and I found multiple examples backing up my claim.

You base your beliefs on your fears and preconceived notions. I have backed mine up with facts. If you want a debate, at least stick to facts and don't change make stuff up or the subject when you can't.

And what is a bond????

[foodcourtdruide]

Why is Arabic mandatory then? If anything let it be optional.

Can you just admit the article was a stupid xenophobic waste of time? Please?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Can you just admit the article was a stupid xenophobic waste of time? Please?

If someone chooses not to learn another language they are Xenophobes?

I speak Italian and Spanish because I chose to learn them.

[Dudeman]

And what is a bond????

very different than a tax....

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Read this on FB yesterday.

Again those are tradeoffs. Teachers know before going into the profession that they wont make tons of money. However they have summers off, a fairly protected job once they get tenure its almost impossible to can them. They contribute very little towards retirement.

Deckhands on those Alaska crabbing ships can make a lot of money in a short time , however look at the dangers they face.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

very different than a tax....

Above everything its debt. Theres a muni bond crisis so what will happen once the municipalities cant make the interest payments?

Oh nevermind !!!! borrow from China and bailout local governments.

[Dudeman]

Could you provide evidence of multi-million dollar scoreboards being paid for with federal or state tax money??

Once again you've created a boogieman (all welfare recipients using welfare checks to buy BMWs and school districts using your tax money to buy football scoreboards.) Actually it is those benefited from Bush's tax cuts for the rich that aren't putting the money back into their business or donating it for vitally needed social servicies or even to the school for new books, rather just on high school scoreboard vanity projects.

I searched for some examples, and all I found were ones that were bought by private donations.

Example #1:
The new high definition scoreboard and new turf field were used for the first time in a football game.

The field and scoreboard were paid for by donations from local families to the Athletic Booster program./ (http://thewolfprint.com/sports/2010/09/28/new-scoreboard-and-field-unveiled/)

Example #2:
When completed, the scoreboard will stand 40 feet high and 32 feet wide with a 6-foot-tall and 12-foot-wide color display

However, even with the donated labor and materials, the sign was an expensive undertaking, paid for by sponsors and several anonymous private donors.

"This was not a school fundraising activity," Robins said. "The funds for the sign were 100 percent privately donated, so we are excited and proud of the fact that the community is involved in our programs. It says a lot about their excitement for Springville High, and we couldn't be happier." (http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/south/springville/article_0bc1c2ed-373a-53dc-befa-7e46c4c966ba.html)

Example #3:
Next season, the Sweetwater Mustangs will be stomping on new turf, thanks to another generous donation from past Sweetwater High School graduate, Larry Durham. Durham is a member of the class of 1961 and past owner of Durham Transportation, a private school bus company.

Ron Stein has also made a donation for a new score board. Stein, owner of Texas TST, Inc. donated $12,000 for a new high school score board, which has already been installed in the SHS gym. (http://www.sweetwaterreporter.com/content/shs-receives-donations-turf-scoreboard)

Even if one place did use tax money for a scoreboard, I think it is fairly evident that the vast majority are paid for by donations from those in the upper tax brackets.

OK WF, we agree we don't want money spent on vanity scoreboards when basic school supplies, like new books, are in short supply.

Which version of the reason why is more correct:

1. Your version: Tax money (income, property, sales, etc) is being used by state or federal government to purchase these scoreboards.

2. My version: Taxes are cut (esp property taxes) for those in the upper income tax brackets or for small business owners. As a result the local school districts are underfunded (and can't purchase basic supplies or give better teacher salaries to recruit smarter teachers.) Meantime, the people receiving the tax brakes are using their dispensable income to fund the new scoreboards.

I clearly provided examples (Larry Durham. Durham is a member of the class of 1961 and past owner of Durham Transportation, and Ron Stein, owner of Texas TST, Inc.) of my version.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

OK WF, we agree we don't want money spent on vanity scoreboards when basic school supplies, like new books, are in short supply.

Which version of the reason why is more correct:

1. Your version: Tax money (income, property, sales, etc) is being used by state or federal government to purchase these scoreboards.

2. My version: Taxes are cut (esp property taxes) for those in the upper income tax brackets or for small business owners. As a result the local school districts are underfunded (and can't purchase basic supplies or give better teacher salaries to recruit smarter teachers.) Meantime, the people receiving the tax brakes are using their dispensable income to fund the new scoreboards.

I clearly provided examples (Larry Durham. Durham is a member of the class of 1961 and past owner of Durham Transportation, and Ron Stein, owner of Texas TST, Inc.) of my version.



Thats why they are donations. People can choose what they want the proceeds to be used for. Also its disposeable income if they want to buy books its their choice.


Do you realize that many districts are top heavy with redundant administrators, assistants, bean counters and paper pushers & unnecessary positions like diversity officers etc. Get rid of the bloat and there will be money for necessities.

[foodcourtdruide]

If someone chooses not to learn another language they are Xenophobes?

I speak Italian and Spanish because I chose to learn them.

No WF. If someone associates learning another language with an islamic religious take over of the United States they are Xenophobes.

[Dudeman]

Thats why they are donations. People can choose what they want the proceeds to be used for. Also its disposeable income if they want to buy books its their choice.


Then why did YOU use the scoreboards as an example of government waste of tax money???

I didn't bring up the scoreboards, you did.

I don't get it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Then why did YOU use the scoreboards as an example of government waste of tax money???

I didn't bring up the scoreboards, you did.

I don't get it.

Scoreboards, stadiums, diversity officers all not needed

[Dude!]

No WF. If someone associates learning another language with an islamic religious take over of the United States they are Xenophobes.

you are such a phony

when you read that WF
speaks italian and spanish
the first thing you thought was:
fucking wop-spic

you're the racist xenophobe

[foodcourtdruide]

Scoreboards, stadiums, diversity officers all not needed

Who are YOU to decide what is or isn't needed? The article YOU POSTED proves that it was something the town wanted, because they are crazy for high school football. Should that not be allowed? I really do not understand your point.

[foodcourtdruide]

Do you realize that many districts are top heavy with redundant administrators, assistants, bean counters and paper pushers & unnecessary positions like diversity officers etc. Get rid of the bloat and there will be money for necessities.

Hilarious. He honestly thinks this is a problem unique to ONLY government. Private corporations have these same problems.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No WF. If someone associates learning another language with an islamic religious take over of the United States they are Xenophobes.

V-O-L-U-N-T-A-R-Y vs M-A-N-D-A-T-O-R-Y


Get it?


If you truly wanted mandatory language classes you should advocate kids learning Mandarin

[foodcourtdruide]

V-O-L-U-N-T-A-R-Y vs M-A-N-D-A-T-O-R-Y


Get it?


If you truly wanted mandatory language classes you should advocate kids learning Mandarin

RELIGION AND LANGUAGE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

That is the point I'm making. You and that idiotic link are trying to blur those lines AND THAT IS XENOPHOBIC AND STUPID.

Also, WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE THIS IS EVEN MANDATORY.

[Dudeman]

Scoreboards, stadiums, diversity officers all not needed

I agree, the scoreboards should not take priority over basic school supplies, like new books.

But the reason the money is going to all of the stadiums and scoreboards is not because government raised tax money is going to those things (as you want people to believe), it is because people in upper income tax brackets/ small business owners are choosing to do that with their money. I wish they would use it to fund the school library or science lab or computer lab instead.

You brought up scoreboards to demonstrate the waste of tax payer money by government. I'm sorry, but you were wrong.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Hilarious. He honestly thinks this is a problem unique to ONLY government. Private corporations have these same problems.

Government has the market cornered in every factor!!!!

[foodcourtdruide]

I agree, the scoreboards should not take priority over basic school supplies, like new books.

But the reason the money is going to all of the stadiums and scoreboards is not because government raised tax money is going to those things (as you want people to believe), it is because people in upper income tax brackets/ small business owners are choosing to do that with their money. I wish they would use it to fund the school library or science lab or computer lab instead.

You brought up scoreboards to demonstrate the waste of tax payer money by government. I'm sorry, but you were wrong.

He will not admit it. My guess is his response to this post will be a progressive holding up an offensive sign.

[foodcourtdruide]

Government has the market cornered in every factor!!!!

There is not one person in this thread that believes there isn't some waste in government.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

There is not one person in this thread that believes there isn't some waste in government.

Some waste in gov't ?

[Dudeman]

Some waste in gov't ?

ALL government is waste? Like you said, you don't want anarchy. Does that make you a socialist?

[Dudeman]

I'll post again, and await your reply:

OK WF, we agree we don't want money spent on vanity scoreboards when basic school supplies, like new books, are in short supply.

Which version of the reason why is more correct:

1. Your version: Tax money (income, property, sales, etc) is being used by state or federal government to purchase these scoreboards.

2. My version: Taxes are cut (esp property taxes) for those in the upper income tax brackets or for small business owners. As a result the local school districts are underfunded (and can't purchase basic supplies or give better teacher salaries to recruit smarter teachers.) Meantime, the people receiving the tax brakes are using their dispensable income to fund the new scoreboards.

I clearly provided examples (Larry Durham. Durham is a member of the class of 1961 and past owner of Durham Transportation, and Ron Stein, owner of Texas TST, Inc.) of my version.

I agree, the scoreboards should not take priority over basic school supplies, like new books.

But the reason the money is going to all of the stadiums and scoreboards is not because government raised tax money is going to those things (as you want people to believe), it is because people in upper income tax brackets/ small business owners are choosing to do that with their money. I wish they would use it to fund the school library or science lab or computer lab instead.

You brought up scoreboards to demonstrate the waste of tax payer money by government. I'm sorry, but you were wrong.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

ALL government is waste? Like you said, you don't want anarchy. Does that make you a socialist?

That wasn't my point. Look at the Pentagon for an example. The amount of fiscal waste generated from that building is astronomical.

[A.J.]

That wasn't my point. Look at the Pentagon for an example. The amount of fiscal waste generated from that building is astronomical.

Not from MY wedge of the building!

[foodcourtdruide]

That wasn't my point. Look at the Pentagon for an example. The amount of fiscal waste generated from that building is astronomical.

Then what was your point of the smug "Some government is waste?" post?

[Crispy123]

Not from MY wedge!

This would make a great flag for the teabaggers.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Then what was your point of the smug "Some government is waste?" post?

There is a lot of government waste .

[Dudeman]

There is a lot of government waste .

No one disagrees there is some level of government waste.

But as an specific example you used high school scoreboards.

Back up YOUR claim.

(High school scoreboards, if anything, show that when money is left to individuals, they sometimes (not always, but sometimes) use it for vanity projects while other, basic necessities, such as new books, aren't being funded.)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No one disagrees there is some level of government waste.

But as an specific example you used high school scoreboards.

Back up YOUR claim.

(High school scoreboards, if anything, show that when money is left to individuals, they sometimes (not always, but sometimes) use it for vanity projects while other, basic necessities, such as new books, aren't being funded.)

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/football/2004-10-05-spending-cover_x.htm


In Texas, which has seen cuts in health benefits for teachers and funding for textbooks, the UIL's Breithaupt says, "Taxpayers go, 'Wait a minute. You say we don't have enough money, but we've got these huge stadiums and we're paying these great stipends to coaches.' Those issues come up in front of the legislature from time to time, and it's important for our schools to take note of that."


How about state lotteries? They always gloat on how much goes to education. I think last year more than a billion went to NY alone.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No surprise here.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/education/111734009.html

[Dudeman]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/football/2004-10-05-spending-cover_x.htm


In Texas, which has seen cuts in health benefits for teachers and funding for textbooks, the UIL's Breithaupt says, "Taxpayers go, 'Wait a minute. You say we don't have enough money, but we've got these huge stadiums and we're paying these great stipends to coaches.' Those issues come up in front of the legislature from time to time, and it's important for our schools to take note of that."

Ok, you found an article from 7 years ago.

I agree, tax money shouldn't go to scoreboards and stadiums when you have, "cuts in health benefits for teachers and funding for textbooks."

In those cases (which appear to be the minority, but as you've shown, do exist), how can we make sure the money goes to ""funding for textbooks?"

Your solution: Cut taxes and cut the government and cut the right of the teachers to negotiate.

I don't see how that will ensure the necessary funds get to "funding for textbooks."

(meanwhile, i need to work tonight, so peace out)

[underdog]

I wish we were all still in school so I could watch all of you people get picked on during recess, like the rest of the retards.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I wish we were all still in school so I could watch all of you people get picked on during recess, like the rest of the retards.

It wont be for lunch money since in your world every kid should receive a "free lunch"

No making fun of the slow runners because tag has been outlawed

You cant squirt your water pistol ant anyone because those are considered weapons

It will be impossible to make fun of the kid who got an F because red ink is considered offensive.

Cant ridicule the kid who missed the final spelling of Mississippi. EVERYONE GETS A TROPHY!!!!!!

[El Mudo]

It wont be for lunch money since in your world every kid should receive a "free lunch"

No making fun of the slow runners because tag has been outlawed

You cant squirt your water pistol ant anyone because those are considered weapons

It will be impossible to make fun of the kid who got an F because red ink is considered offensive.

Cant ridicule the kid who missed the final spelling of Mississippi. EVERYONE GETS A TROPHY!!!!!!

Heaven forbid poor kids have a way to eat during the day. How horrifying.

[brettmojo]

It wont be for lunch money since in your world every kid should receive a "free lunch"

No making fun of the slow runners because tag has been outlawed

You cant squirt your water pistol ant anyone because those are considered weapons

It will be impossible to make fun of the kid who got an F because red ink is considered offensive.

Cant ridicule the kid who missed the final spelling of Mississippi. EVERYONE GETS A TROPHY!!!!!!
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee103/brettmojo/tumblr_left48gCkY1qf8yek.gif

[Dudeman]

Heaven forbid poor kids have a way to eat during the day. How horrifying.

government waste

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Heaven forbid poor kids have a way to eat during the day. How horrifying.

Ever hear of WIC ?


Let me guess, Oreos and soda are a human right. to hell with buying those colorful things like fruits and veggies.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

government waste

Literally

http://www.gasdetection.com/news2/health_news_digest124.html

[Dude!]

It wont be for lunch money since in your world every kid should receive a "free lunch"


in his world
everyone is white

that's why he moved
to canada
the whitest country in
the hemisphere

[Dudeman]

Ever hear of WIC ?


Let me guess, Oreos and soda are a human right. to hell with buying those colorful things like fruits and veggies.

YOU ARE AN IDIOT!

Have you ever filled out a WIC form for a patient? I have. Have you ever been to a WIC office? I have. Have you ever read what you can and cannot buy with WIC? I have.

NO WHERE DOES IT SAY YOU CAN BUY OREOS. Here are some examples of WIC guidelines:

Can Buy:
"Frozen Fruits"
-Any brand, size, and type of container:
-Any variety of frozen fruit without added sugar
Cannot Buy:
-Fruits with added sugar, added ingredients, or artifical sweeteners, such as Splenda or NutraSweet.

"Fresh Fruits and Vegetables"
Any brand, type or combination of:
-Any variety of whole or cut fuits and vegetables
-Sweet potatoes and yams are the only potatoes allowed
-Bagged fruits and vegetables
-Bagged salad mixtures

NO WHERE IN MY LOCAL WIC GUIDELINES ARE COOKIES OR OREOS ALLOWED.

Congratulations, you have now insulted Child Protective Services and Women, Infants, and Children services. Whatever merit your beliefs may have, they are often negated by your disgusting positions on these issues- child abuse and child poverty.

[underdog]

It wont be for lunch money since in your world every kid should receive a "free lunch"

No making fun of the slow runners because tag has been outlawed

You cant squirt your water pistol ant anyone because those are considered weapons

It will be impossible to make fun of the kid who got an F because red ink is considered offensive.

Cant ridicule the kid who missed the final spelling of Mississippi. EVERYONE GETS A TROPHY!!!!!!

You're such a retard.

in his world
everyone is white

that's why he moved
to canada
the whitest country in
the hemisphere

That's a pretty wrong stereotype.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

YOU ARE AN IDIOT!

Have you ever filled out a WIC form for a patient? I have. Have you ever been to a WIC office? I have. Have you ever read what you can and cannot buy with WIC? I have.

NO WHERE DOES IT SAY YOU CAN BUY OREOS. Here are some examples of WIC guidelines:

Can Buy:
"Frozen Fruits"
-Any brand, size, and type of container:
-Any variety of frozen fruit without added sugar
Cannot Buy:
-Fruits with added sugar, added ingredients, or artifical sweeteners, such as Splenda or NutraSweet.

"Fresh Fruits and Vegetables"
Any brand, type or combination of:
-Any variety of whole or cut fuits and vegetables
-Sweet potatoes and yams are the only potatoes allowed
-Bagged fruits and vegetables
-Bagged salad mixtures

NO WHERE IN MY LOCAL WIC GUIDELINES ARE COOKIES OR OREOS ALLOWED.

Congratulations, you have now insulted Child Protective Services and Women, Infants, and Children services. Whatever merit your beliefs may have, they are often negated by your disgusting positions on these issues- child abuse and child poverty.

I stand corrected.

Maybe on a federal level. But locally like CALFRESH

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/politics&id=7954601


"With few exceptions, food stamp recipients in the CalFresh Program can buy virtually anything edible at the grocery store, even junk food. Now a lawmaker wants taxpayers to stop footing the bill for unhealthy eating".


"It's crazy because you're telling me what I can and cannot spend my food stamps on? If I'm the type of person that wants some chips, I should be able to buy chips with food stamps," Tamara Beverly said.


And what have these programs led to? More abuse and more malnourishment and poverty.

[Dudeman]

Maybe on a federal level. But locally like CALFRESH

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/politics&id=7954601


"With few exceptions, food stamp recipients in the CalFresh Program can buy virtually anything edible at the grocery store, even junk food. Now a lawmaker wants taxpayers to stop footing the bill for unhealthy eating".

"It's crazy because you're telling me what I can and cannot spend my food stamps on? If I'm the type of person that wants some chips, I should be able to buy chips with food stamps," Tamara Beverly said.

1. you said WIC.
2. THEN WE AGREE. No use of these funds for junk food- as is the case for WIC. (Glad we have regulation of people like Tamara Beverly- kids born into poverty should not be hungry, but should eat fresh fruit and vegetables, not chips and oreos.)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

1. you said WIC.
2. THEN WE AGREE. No use of these funds for junk food- as is the case for WIC. (Glad we have regulation of people like Tamara Beverly- kids born into poverty should not be hungry, but should eat fresh fruit and vegetables, not chips and oreos.)

I said I stand corrected. Why then do we need a federal and state food assistance program

Im sure a lot of children born into poverty have parents with cell phones, cable TV and other non necessities. Just because someone is poor doesnt excuse them from personal responsibility. Having children isnt a right.


Plus there are thousands of charities and churches everywhere I know that will make you angry.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Keep it up pansies.


They are probably in Chicago with the cowards from Madison. That city attracts Democrats like flies to manure.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110222/ap_on_re_us/us_indiana_democrats_unions

[Dudeman]

I stand corrected.

Maybe on a federal level. But locally like CALFRESH

And what have these programs led to? More abuse and more malnourishment and poverty.

1. Wrong- WIC is local.
2. No these programs have in NO WAY led to "More abuse and more malnourishment and poverty." I have seen first hand infants who get their formula or baby food from WIC funding (and their parents are great, hard working people who chose to have one child, but struggle, despite working > 1 job to make ends meet.) I have seen first hand children who needed Child Protective Services because the conditions they were living in were not suitable. I've also seen CPS unable to investigate abuse, not because they waste money on high school scoreboards, but because they didn't have sufficient funds.

[Dudeman]

Plus there are thousands of charities and churches everywhere I know that will make you angry.

WRONG again. I've been to the local churches and soup kitchens. I know the local resources for children living in poverty well. The churches and charities are great, but in no way have the funds to guarantee infants born into poverty in this community have access to sufficient food. I know all of these people and resources very well. Your biased version of this situation has no basis in reality.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

1. Wrong- WIC is local.
2. No these programs have in NO WAY led to "More abuse and more malnourishment and poverty." I have seen first hand infants who get their formula or baby food from WIC funding (and their parents are great, hard working people who chose to have one child, but struggle, despite working > 1 job to make ends meet.) I have seen first hand children who needed Child Protective Services because the conditions they were living in were not suitable. I've also seen CPS unable to investigate abuse, not because they waste money on high school scoreboards, but because they didn't have sufficient funds.

So theres no fraud in those programs?


Cities like Detroit, St Louis etc are poster children for success of the great society?

California sinking due to the millions of illegal aliens receiving these entitlements via their jackpot babies?


45 years of this government as a 1st provider has killed the human spirit.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

WRONG again. I've been to the local churches and soup kitchens. I know the local resources for children living in poverty well. The churches and charities are great, but in no way have the funds to guarantee infants born into poverty in this community have access to sufficient food. I know all of these people and resources very well. Your biased version of this situation has no basis in reality.

Not biased. Here are some churches and non profits who are doing these deeds

http://www.examiner.com/episcopal-in-national/putting-fresh-produce-on-everyone-s-table

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=churches+provide+food+to+needy+children&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbs=nws:1&source=og&sa=N&tab=wn&bav=on.1,or.&fp=1d5571cb55af391e



Governments role is not to be in the charity, healthcare or retirement business. This one size fits all model you support just doesnt work.

[foodcourtdruide]

So theres no fraud in those programs?


Cities like Detroit, St Louis etc are poster children for success of the great society?

California sinking due to the millions of illegal aliens receiving these entitlements via their jackpot babies?


45 years of this government as a 1st provider has killed the human spirit.

OMG. WHAT?!@ You think his point is the solution to the problems in Detroit and St Louis would be WIC?! HOW IN THE HELL IS THAT YOUR RESPONSE TO WHAT DUDEMAN SAID???? All he's saying is that it helps unfortunate children born into poverty better than charities or churches can!

[Dudeman]

So theres no fraud in those programs?


Nowhere has anyone said that.
You've said WIC pays for oreos.
Cutting WIC and CPS (or vilifying them) won't solve problems.
Having been to the local WIC office, knowing the local WIC workers, knowing families who use WIC, I have never seen lavish wastes of money.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

OMG. WHAT?!@ You think his point is the solution to the problems in Detroit and St Louis would be WIC?! HOW IN THE HELL IS THAT YOUR RESPONSE TO WHAT DUDEMAN SAID???? All he's saying is that it helps unfortunate children born into poverty better than charities or churches can!

Wrong!!!!


The amount of fraud and abuse in these programs is tremendous. Churches and charities are experts in that role. TO ASSIST THE NEEDY!!!!


Government keeps a majority of needy people in that position for generations.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Nowhere has anyone said that.
You've said WIC pays for oreos.
Cutting WIC and CPS (or vilifying them) won't solve problems.
Having been to the local WIC office, knowing the local WIC workers, knowing families who use WIC, I have never seen lavish wastes of money.



Nobody on WIC has a cell phone or cable/satellite TV?/IPOD etc.?


I know it sounds harsh but those are not necessities. Ever hear of personal responsibilities?

[Dudeman]

Nobody on WIC has a cell phone or cable/satellite TV?/IPOD etc.?


I know it sounds harsh but those are not necessities. Ever hear of personal responsibilities?

Phones and cable internet have become necessities. It is very difficult to find and apply for a job without having those nowadays. I've actually gone through a program of living without a car, computer, and phone, with very limited money to see what it was like trying to obtain housing and a job. Not having a phone or internet to contact people, or to be contacted at, was as difficult as anything.

You are way out of your league.

[foodcourtdruide]

Wrong!!!!


The amount of fraud and abuse in these programs is tremendous. Churches and charities are experts in that role. TO ASSIST THE NEEDY!!!!


Government keeps a majority of needy people in that position for generations.

You are living in a fantasy land. First of all, to force needy people to be reliant on churches is an absolutely scary concept to me, don't you see the benefit of having this role be performed by a non-secular organization? Second, at times when assistance would be needed most, charities and churches will have the LEAST amount of resources. And if your argument is that poor people having a way to receive help keeps them in the cycle of poverty, how could that not be applied to churches and charities too?

AND what happens if charities and churches CAN'T handle all the need? What if it goes beyond them? Then what?

[Dudeman]

Wrong!!!!


The amount of fraud and abuse in these programs is tremendous. Churches and charities are experts in that role. TO ASSIST THE NEEDY!!!!


1. Churches don't have abuse and waste of money????
http://automatedman.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/crystal-cathedral-2.jpg
http://vizhnet.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/money.jpg

2. I still haven't heard how you expect a church or charity to investigate suspected child abuse, and thus replace child protective services.

3. As I said, I know the local WIC office (for a major US city) well. I have been to the office. I have met the workers. I haven't done an audit of their books, but that office was as cheap as it gets.

[Dudeman]

Second, at times when assistance would be needed most, charities and churches will have the LEAST amount of resources.

AND what happens if charities and churches CAN'T handle all the need? What if it goes beyond them? Then what?

agree and agree

[KnoxHarrington]

1. Churches don't have abuse and waste of money????
http://vizhnet.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/money.jpg

2. I still haven't heard how you expect a church or charity to investigate suspected child abuse, and thus replace child protective services.

3. As I said, I know the local WIC office (for a major US city) well. I have been to the office. I have met the workers. I haven't done an audit of their books, but that office was as cheap as it gets.

Hey, the Catholic Church investigated every charge of sexual molestation against its priests! That worked out, didn't it?

[foodcourtdruide]

agree and agree

I guess a segment of our society starving to death doesn't really fit into the libertarian utopia.

[foodcourtdruide]

Hey, the Catholic Church investigated every charge of sexual molestation against its priests! That worked out, didn't it?

I'm sorry Knox, you don't understand. The only large organization that bad things can possibly occur in is the United States Government.

[KnoxHarrington]

I'm sorry Knox, you don't understand. The only large organization that bad things can possibly occur in is the United States Government.

And every worker in the private sector works their ass off as opposed to those lazy asses in the public sector, who surf porn and booze it up all day on the state's dime.

(this was posted from work)

[spoon]

YOU ARE AN IDIOT!

Have you ever filled out a WIC form for a patient? I have. Have you ever been to a WIC office? I have. Have you ever read what you can and cannot buy with WIC? I have.

NO WHERE DOES IT SAY YOU CAN BUY OREOS. Here are some examples of WIC guidelines:

Can Buy:
"Frozen Fruits"
-Any brand, size, and type of container:
-Any variety of frozen fruit without added sugar
Cannot Buy:
-Fruits with added sugar, added ingredients, or artifical sweeteners, such as Splenda or NutraSweet.

"Fresh Fruits and Vegetables"
Any brand, type or combination of:
-Any variety of whole or cut fuits and vegetables
-Sweet potatoes and yams are the only potatoes allowed
-Bagged fruits and vegetables
-Bagged salad mixtures

NO WHERE IN MY LOCAL WIC GUIDELINES ARE COOKIES OR OREOS ALLOWED.

Congratulations, you have now insulted Child Protective Services and Women, Infants, and Children services. Whatever merit your beliefs may have, they are often negated by your disgusting positions on these issues- child abuse and child poverty.

Not to mention every time Mrs. Obama tries to push healthy eating in schools people like WF and Palin go bat shit crazy about it. I truly can't believe anyone can read a thread like this and agree with WF/Dude! on anything. My favorite post at this point was where Dude! told Foody what he thought and how it was xenophobic. Classic.

[spoon]

you are such a phony

when you read that WF
speaks italian and spanish
the first thing you thought was:
fucking wop-spic

you're the racist xenophobe

This one! Almost better than the Ogre post in another thread where he proactively calls everyone assholes and more bc we would PROBABLY call him a name soon. Another classic debating technique pulled from the book of GODS!

[spoon]

in his world
everyone is white

that's why he moved
to canada
the whitest country in
the hemisphere

I believe he's in Toronto, which is a very diverse city to say the least.

Toronto's population is cosmopolitan and international,[13] reflecting its role as an important destination for immigrants to Canada.[14] Toronto is one of the world's most diverse cities by percentage of non-native-born residents, as about 49% of the population were born outside Canada.[13][14][15] Toronto is consistently rated as one of the world's most livable cities by the Economist Intelligence Unit[16] and the Mercer Quality of Living Survey

[Furtherman]

I believe he's in Toronto, which is a very diverse city to say the least.

Toronto's population is cosmopolitan and international,[13] reflecting its role as an important destination for immigrants to Canada.[14] Toronto is one of the world's most diverse cities by percentage of non-native-born residents, as about 49% of the population were born outside Canada.[13][14][15] Toronto is consistently rated as one of the world's most livable cities by the Economist Intelligence Unit[16] and the Mercer Quality of Living Survey

AKA, THE SCARIEST PLACE ON EARTH to Dude and WF.

[spoon]

AKA, THE SCARIEST PLACE ON EARTH to Dude and WF.

And home to my favorite annually 4th place MLB team! Suck it Baltimore!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Churches will not ask for smeone to recite the lords prayer before giving assistance.

Charitable contributions are down during the recession but still over 300 billion according to latest stats

http://nonprofit.about.com/b/2009/06/15/philanthropy-during-a-recession-giving-usa-report-yields-insights-into-what-fundraisers-can-do-now.htm

Think conservatives are greedy? Progressives are the tightwads with their OWN money

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2682730&page=1

No one ever said the church didnt have its scandals. Boston Archdiocese was ordered to pay out millions. Look at the televangelist scandals.


Government workers trolling for porn. Thats their expertise
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/29/porn-surfing-rampant-at-u_n_303452.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2010/02/02/2010-02-02_sec_workers_investigated_for_porn_surfing_durin g_work.html


Speaking of FLOTUS why doesnt she talk about the shit fed to kids with those prized school lunches. Somalis wouldnt eat those.


Has anyone been outside of Toronto? Its majority Caucasian. Minorities tend to flock to the big cities. Canada is the 2nd largest country on earth in regards to land mass.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

AKA, THE SCARIEST PLACE ON EARTH to Dude and WF.

Any MLB city that plays baseball on fake grass deserves criticism. You too St Pete

[Dudeman]

No one ever said the church didnt have its scandals. Boston Archdiocese was ordered to pay out millions. Look at the televangelist scandals.



Speaking of FLOTUS why doesnt she talk about the shit fed to kids with those prized school lunches. Somalis wouldnt eat those.


What??? You are arguing against yourself.

1. That is exactly what Obama wants for the school lunches:
First lady Michelle Obama's new campaign against childhood obesity, dubbed "Let's Move," puts improvements to school food at the top of the agenda. Some 31 million children participate in federal school meal programs, Obama noted in announcing her initiative last week, "and what we don't want is a situation where parents are taking all the right steps at home -- and then their kids undo all that work with salty, fatty food in the school cafeteria," she explained. "So let's move to get healthier food into our nation's schools." (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/11/AR2010021103894.html)

2. When churches have crazy wastes of money, you say, oh well, but, "Churches and charities are experts in that role. TO ASSIST THE NEEDY!!!!" When there is waste at a government agency (or someone looking at porn), you say to completely shut them down. You make no sense. Not to mention, while the work churches and charities do is good, it is in no way as comprehensive, reliable, or professional as the work done by WIC or CPS. No way.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

1. Churches don't have abuse and waste of money????
http://automatedman.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/crystal-cathedral-2.jpg
http://vizhnet.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/money.jpg

2. I still haven't heard how you expect a church or charity to investigate suspected child abuse, and thus replace child protective services.

3. As I said, I know the local WIC office (for a major US city) well. I have been to the office. I have met the workers. I haven't done an audit of their books, but that office was as cheap as it gets.

Heres some examples of fraud and waste

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/02/former_newark_employee_gets_8.html

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=7066386

[spoon]

Yes I've played tournaments in Guelph and Oshawa. Both nice towns, nice rinks and good fun.

Udog lives in Toronto right now, Dude! made up he left BOSTON to go somewhere more white. He made up more incorrect stats. The same guy who blasted me on a valid point for saying I read somewhere the union workforce was down to approximately 7%, or something close. This being the case I stated any hit to the Unions would be very bad right now.

As it turns out the overall workforce unionized is at 11.9%, not 7%. The 7% I read was the non-private sector workforce, not overall. That's what I read, but the point is still completely valid. He then turned it into a percentage diff as if that invalidates my point. It's amazing how stupid/pig-headed one or two people can be. Hypocritical too.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What??? You are arguing against yourself.

1. That is exactly what Obama wants for the school lunches:
First lady Michelle Obama's new campaign against childhood obesity, dubbed "Let's Move," puts improvements to school food at the top of the agenda. Some 31 million children participate in federal school meal programs, Obama noted in announcing her initiative last week, "and what we don't want is a situation where parents are taking all the right steps at home -- and then their kids undo all that work with salty, fatty food in the school cafeteria," she explained. "So let's move to get healthier food into our nation's schools." (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/11/AR2010021103894.html)

2. When churches have crazy wastes of money, you say, oh well, but, "Churches and charities are experts in that role. TO ASSIST THE NEEDY!!!!" When there is waste at a government agency (or someone looking at porn), you say to completely shut them down. You make no sense. Not to mention, while the work churches and charities do is good, it is in no way as comprehensive, reliable, or professional as the work done by WIC or CPS. No way.

I say hold people accountable no matter if its a government agency or church. No one ever said that it didnt go on in non gov't establishments. It goes on a much larger scale at the gov't.


Dont associate me with the half governor thinking that FLOTUS wants to ban cupcakes and brownies.


I will take a church or charity any day over a government agency in regards to helping the poor.

[Dudeman]

Heres some examples of fraud and waste

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/02/former_newark_employee_gets_8.html

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=7066386

Yes, there were individuals who scammed WIC. That is different than saying the program is a waste and should be cut- or gives our oreos but not fruit, as you claim.

These individuals were caught and charged, as they should have been. Individuals who took advantage of WIC is very different than say WIC is inherently government waste. Very different.

[Crispy123]

Udog lives in Toronto right now, Dude! made up he left BOSTON to go somewhere more white. He made up more incorrect stats. The same guy who blasted me on a valid point for saying I read somewhere the union workforce was down to approximately 7%, or something close. This being the case I stated any hit to the Unions would be very bad right now.

As it turns out the overall workforce unionized is at 11.9%, not 7%. The 7% I read was the non-private sector workforce, not overall. That's what I read, but the point is still completely valid. He then turned it into a percentage diff as if that invalidates my point. It's amazing how stupid/pig-headed one or two people can be. Hypocritical too.

Fuck you Spoon! I am highly insulted that you feel the need to explain to ME the reader of this shit thread that Dude! is a fucked up imbecile. As if I could not deduce on my own that his arguments are childish and moronic. Again, I say fuck you Sir!

[spoon]

Fuck you Spoon! I am highly insulted that you feel the need to explain to ME the reader of this shit thread that Dude! is a fucked up imbecile. As if I could not deduce on my own that his arguments are childish and moronic. Again, I say fuck you Sir!

understood

i wholeheartedly apologize.

[Dudeman]

Please reconcile:

WF: "Speaking of FLOTUS why doesnt she talk about the shit fed to kids with those prized school lunches. Somalis wouldnt eat those."

with


First lady Michelle Obama's new campaign against childhood obesity, dubbed "Let's Move," puts improvements to school food at the top of the agenda. Some 31 million children participate in federal school meal programs, Obama noted in announcing her initiative last week, "and what we don't want is a situation where parents are taking all the right steps at home -- and then their kids undo all that work with salty, fatty food in the school cafeteria," she explained. "So let's move to get healthier food into our nation's schools."

[hanso]

Brilliant summary by a brilliant man.

In this situation, it makes sense to call for shared sacrifice, including monetary concessions from state workers. And union leaders have signaled that they are, in fact, willing to make such concessions.

But Mr. Walker isn’t interested in making a deal. Partly that’s because he doesn’t want to share the sacrifice: even as he proclaims that Wisconsin faces a terrible fiscal crisis, he has been pushing through tax cuts that make the deficit worse. Mainly, however, he has made it clear that rather than bargaining with workers, he wants to end workers’ ability to bargain.


In principle, every American citizen has an equal say in our political process. In practice, of course, some of us are more equal than others. Billionaires can field armies of lobbyists; they can finance think tanks that put the desired spin on policy issues; they can funnel cash to politicians with sympathetic views (as the Koch brothers did in the case of Mr. Walker). On paper, we’re a one-person-one-vote nation; in reality, we’re more than a bit of an oligarchy, in which a handful of wealthy people dominate.

Given this reality, it’s important to have institutions that can act as counterweights to the power of big money. And unions are among the most important of these institutions.

You don’t have to love unions, you don’t have to believe that their policy positions are always right, to recognize that they’re among the few influential players in our political system representing the interests of middle- and working-class Americans, as opposed to the wealthy. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/21/opinion/21krugman.html?src=me&ref=general)

(Notice how he is able to point out that his side (the unions) have to make concessions, or that they may not always be right. That's the difference between stupid people and smart people- the smart people can recognize the weakness of their position and the strength of the alternatives. Stupid people (Bush, Hannity, Palin, Bachmann, Rand Paul) believe their position is always 100% right and that the alternative has absolutely no merit- they'd go so far as to mock the need to fund Child Protective Services or not acknowledge the need to regulate a factory from utilizing unsafe (lethal) working conditions in attempt to increase their profit margin just to stick to their world view.)

Who would that be?

[Dudeman]

Who would that be?
wf hates krugmann. it was just to play with wf.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Oh that Krugman!!! The same one who blamed teabaggers for the giffords shooting

[Dudeman]

Oh that Krugman!!! The same one who blamed teabaggers for the giffords shooting

Please reconcile:

WF: "Speaking of FLOTUS why doesnt she talk about the shit fed to kids with those prized school lunches. Somalis wouldnt eat those."

with


First lady Michelle Obama's new campaign against childhood obesity, dubbed "Let's Move," puts improvements to school food at the top of the agenda. Some 31 million children participate in federal school meal programs, Obama noted in announcing her initiative last week, "and what we don't want is a situation where parents are taking all the right steps at home -- and then their kids undo all that work with salty, fatty food in the school cafeteria," she explained. "So let's move to get healthier food into our nation's schools."

[WRESTLINGFAN]

How quaint you're comparing my mistake with someone who has a column in a major newspaper ?

[hanso]

I said I stand corrected. Why then do we need a federal and state food assistance program

Im sure a lot of children born into poverty have parents with cell phones, cable TV and other non necessities. Just because someone is poor doesnt excuse them from personal responsibility. Having children isnt a right.


Plus there are thousands of charities and churches everywhere I know that will make you angry.

And the first thing the the now right sided house does is go after abortion. While the churches you often bring up tote that same line.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

And what do progressives side with the church about ???


Open Borders and Amnesty

[WRESTLINGFAN]

BTW Tax the churches, mosques synagogues, wats, etc

[hanso]

wf hates krugmann. it was just to play with wf.

oic I like some of what Soros has to say. If I ever get deep into this stuff. I just might post his works.


But the games on nappy time cyaz

[Dudeman]

How quaint you're comparing my mistake with someone who has a column in a major newspaper ?

i wasn't comparing, i was just wanting you not to change the subject when you were (again) clearly wrong.

[underdog]

I believe he's in Toronto, which is a very diverse city to say the least.

It is really brown up here. My eyes have been opened up to a whole new amazing food group.

[disneyspy]

It is really brown up here. My eyes have been opened up to a whole new amazing food group.

just trying out that B button

[underdog]

just trying out that B button

Lots of trannys up here, too.

[epo]

Lots of trannys up here, too.

Sounds like DisneySpy's kind of crowd.

[disneyspy]

I'm Still Logged In!!!

[epo]

I'm Still Logged In!!!

Is that what they call it these days?

Creep.

[Crispy123]

I'm Still Logged In!!!

eeewwwwwww!!!

[Dan 'Hampton]

Scott Walker, prank phonecall victim.

[disneyspy]

Scott Walker, prank phonecall victim.

I HEARD THAT,it was fantastic at the end when he thought he was going on party binge in cali

[epo]

Part 1:

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Part 2:

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Its for the children

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/education/2011/02/24/2011-02-24_lessons_in_livin_large_uft_brass_having_a_ball_ as_teachers_face_layoffs.html

[Syd]

well at least they didn't blow the money on BDSM prostitutes like the RNC

[WRESTLINGFAN]

well at least they didn't blow the money on BDSM prostitutes like the RNC

No ones excusing the RNC


The UFT used taxpayer money. Yes its union money but the dues are collected thru wages and teachers are paid by whom???


Speeaking of prostitution


http://i569.photobucket.com/albums/ss136/petefrt/BarneyFrankBankingQueen.gif

[underdog]

No ones excusing the RNC


The UFT used taxpayer money. Yes its union money but the dues are collected thru wages and teachers are paid by whom???


Speeaking of prostitution


http://i569.photobucket.com/albums/ss136/petefrt/BarneyFrankBankingQueen.gif

http://www.stustake.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Tumbleweed.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/71gsnLfsbbM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/rQcaJKAMeo8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[TjM]

You public servants are entitled to your wages only. Why should anyone subsidize your lavish pensions and benefits. You have been programmed to feel entitled. Your selfishness and me 1st attitude is sickening


Keep up with the name calling you people are losing support. Everyone else has to sacrifice but you public servants feel that you shouldnt.

"Lavish"


:lol:

You're a flawless moron

[TjM]

Those fat pensions are so awsome. Thank god my mom was a teacher. All that free healthcare. When she dies of cancer it only ate up everything she had save

[WRESTLINGFAN]

"Lavish"


:lol:

You're a flawless moron

name calling doesnt get any further sympathy

[Furtherman]

You're a flawless moron

name calling doesnt get any further sympathy

Yes it does.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yes it does.

From the progressives on this board. I agree

[foodcourtdruide]

Those fat pensions are so awsome. Thank god my mom was a teacher. All that free healthcare. When she dies of cancer it only ate up everything she had save

Stop. You can't have any real life experiences that completely negates a pseudo-libertarian's idiotic rhetoric and bumper sticker logic. Learning that life is not black and white may shatter his world, like a child learning santa claus doesn't exist.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Stop. You can't have any real life experiences that completely negates a pseudo-libertarian's idiotic rhetoric and bumper sticker logic. Learning that life is not black and white may shatter his world, like a child learning santa claus doesn't exist.

How about superman ?


<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/yFN0nf6Hqk0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Bumper sticker logic is on your side. ITS FOR THE CHILDREN. A WAR ON THE WORKING PEOPLE, ASSAULT ON UNIONS drivel

[foodcourtdruide]

How about superman ?


<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/yFN0nf6Hqk0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I don't understand your point of posting that trailer exactly. You cannot honestly be trying to insinuate that the problem with our education system is the teachers.

[Dudeman]

Stop. You can't have any real life experiences that completely negates a pseudo-libertarian's idiotic rhetoric and bumper sticker logic. Learning that life is not black and white may shatter his world, like a child learning santa claus doesn't exist.
:smile:

[foodcourtdruide]

Bumper sticker logic is on your side. ITS FOR THE CHILDREN. A WAR ON THE WORKING PEOPLE, ASSAULT ON UNIONS drivel

I have never posted ANYTHING like that. YOU are the one CONSTANTLY posting IDIOTIC and MEANINGLESS and VAGUE slogans, such as calling their pensions and benefits "LAVISH", which COMPLETELY insulted TjM who just told us his MOTHER was a teacher and DIED OF CANCER and WENT BANKRUPT with what, as you said was "LAVISH benefits."

Go ahead WF. Tell TjM that his mother didn't go bankrupt. Or tell him that it's HER fault that she went bankrupt, or her fault she got cancer. BECAUSE THAT'S REALITY STARING YOU IN THE FACE AND YOUR STUPID SLOGANS AND HALF-THOUGHTS HAVE NO ANSWER FOR IT.

[Dudeman]

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WF is Mark Williams (former Tea Party spokesman)?

"Here is what I am doing in Sacramento, where they are holding a 5:30 PM event this coming Tuesday: (1) I signed up as an organizer (2) with any luck they will contact me and I will have an “in” (3) in or not I will be there and am asking as many other people as can get there to come with, all of us in SEIU shirts (those who don’t have them we can possibly buy some from vendors likely to be there) (4) we are going to target the many TV cameras and reporters looking for comments from the members there (5) we will approach the cameras to make good pictures… signs under our shirts that say things like “screw the taxpayer!” and “you OWE me!” to be pulled out for the camera (timing is important because the signs will be taken away from us) (6) we will echo those slogans in angry sounding tones to the cameras and the reporters. (7) if I do get the ‘in’ I am going to do my darnedest to get podium access and take the mic to do that rant from there…with any luck and if I can manage the moments to build up to it, I can probably get a cheer out of the crowd for something extreme."


"Tea Party Patriot groups and individuals are flooding me with emails vowing to participate and come up with their own creative ruses! Several have also reminded me that we have a distinct advantage in that the SEIU primarily represents non-English speaking illegal aliens so we will be the ones whose comments will make air!!!!**"

[foodcourtdruide]

I have never posted ANYTHING like that. YOU are the one CONSTANTLY posting IDIOTIC and MEANINGLESS and VAGUE slogans, such as calling their pensions and benefits "LAVISH", which COMPLETELY insulted TjM who just told us his MOTHER was a teacher and DIED OF CANCER and WENT BANKRUPT with what, as you said was "LAVISH benefits."

Go ahead WF. Tell TjM that his mother didn't go bankrupt. Or tell him that it's HER fault that she went bankrupt, or her fault she got cancer. BECAUSE THAT'S REALITY STARING YOU IN THE FACE AND YOUR STUPID SLOGANS AND HALF-THOUGHTS HAVE NO ANSWER FOR IT.

It's OK, WF. Maybe you can post another video of progressives with angry signs. That's much better than actually having to think!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It's OK, WF. Maybe you can post another video of progressives with angry signs. That's much better than actually having to think!!!

First of all I am not going to rip on anyones parents dying. Everyone has different situations, however on public sector workers have done better off with salary plus benefits than their counterparts in the private sector.

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/federal-pay-continues-rapid-ascent/

Theres a lot of power and strng arming from AFSCME, SEIU , AFT and other unions

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,907308-2,00.html


Labor and the Democrats go hand in hand

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php?order=A

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I don't understand your point of posting that trailer exactly. You cannot honestly be trying to insinuate that the problem with our education system is the teachers UNION.


:wallbash:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

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WF is Mark Williams (former Tea Party spokesman)?

"Here is what I am doing in Sacramento, where they are holding a 5:30 PM event this coming Tuesday: (1) I signed up as an organizer (2) with any luck they will contact me and I will have an “in” (3) in or not I will be there and am asking as many other people as can get there to come with, all of us in SEIU shirts (those who don’t have them we can possibly buy some from vendors likely to be there) (4) we are going to target the many TV cameras and reporters looking for comments from the members there (5) we will approach the cameras to make good pictures… signs under our shirts that say things like “screw the taxpayer!” and “you OWE me!” to be pulled out for the camera (timing is important because the signs will be taken away from us) (6) we will echo those slogans in angry sounding tones to the cameras and the reporters. (7) if I do get the ‘in’ I am going to do my darnedest to get podium access and take the mic to do that rant from there…with any luck and if I can manage the moments to build up to it, I can probably get a cheer out of the crowd for something extreme."


"Tea Party Patriot groups and individuals are flooding me with emails vowing to participate and come up with their own creative ruses! Several have also reminded me that we have a distinct advantage in that the SEIU primarily represents non-English speaking illegal aliens so we will be the ones whose comments will make air!!!!**"

I have no use for the teabaggers. Most of them cry fiscal sanity but will not cut a dime for the Pentagon budget

[Barnaby Jones]

:wallbash:

That's just as stupid!!!!

[foodcourtdruide]

That's just as stupid!!!!

I had the same thought. I am baffled. I don't even know what to say.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It's OK, WF. Maybe you can post another video of progressives with angry signs. That's much better than actually having to think!!!

Whats the matter? Its always your side who is saying be civil and the right are violent spew hate.


I give another view on this board and your go on a tangent because there are people who disagree with your views and the demands of the unions. Its not just Wisconsin. States all over the country just dont have the money. Democrat politicians made promises to the union bosses that were unsustainable.


Do all the name calling and ridiculing you want. I really don't care

[Dudeman]

That's just as stupid!!!!
But won't cutting teachers' salaries and benefits help attract the best and brightest coming out of college to go into teaching? When society is struggling for money, isn't education the first and best place to start making cuts? And nevermind that the unions have agreed to make all of the economic concessions, shouldn't we take advantage of the fiscal problems and strip working people of bargaining rights to help rich business owners like the Koch brothers.

[foodcourtdruide]

First of all I am not going to rip on anyones parents dying. Everyone has different situations, however on public sector workers have done better off with salary plus benefits than their counterparts in the private sector.

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/federal-pay-continues-rapid-ascent/

Theres a lot of power and strng arming from AFSCME, SEIU , AFT and other unions

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,907308-2,00.html


Labor and the Democrats go hand in hand

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php?order=A

I love that you think public wages being too high and private wages being too low, means that public wages should rightfully decrease rathe than private wages should rightfully increase. It really shows your true colors. Also, the article you posted IS HIGHLY debated, so please don't act like it's an absolute fact.

Also, no one in this thread has been as dramatically pro-union as you have been anti-union. No one has said democratic officials aren't too heavily influenced by unions. You seem to be having a debate with a person that does not exist (as is almost always the case).

You know who else agrees that the teachers union needs to concede some things for the good of the state? THE TEACHERS UNION.

[foodcourtdruide]

Whats the matter? Its always your side who is saying be civil and the right are violent spew hate.


I give another view on this board and your go on a tangent because there are people who disagree with your views and the demands of the unions. Its not just Wisconsin. States all over the country just dont have the money. Democrat politicians made promises to the union bosses that were unsustainable.


Do all the name calling and ridiculing you want. I really don't care

You are not presenting the other side to what most of us believe. You are presenting other side to what some fictional liberal that does not exist on this board believes. People always approach you with middle-ground ideas and your retort is always extreme. It's frustrating and you are viewed as someone who simply wants to spew his rhetoric rather than present a valid point of view.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I love that you think public wages being too high and private wages being too low, means that public wages should rightfully decrease rathe than private wages should rightfully increase. It really shows your true colors. Also, the article you posted IS HIGHLY debated, so please don't act like it's an absolute fact.

Also, no one in this thread has been as dramatically pro-union as you have been anti-union. No one has said democratic officials aren't too heavily influenced by unions. You seem to be having a debate with a person that does not exist (as is almost always the case).

You know who else agrees that the teachers union needs to concede some things for the good of the state? THE TEACHERS UNION.

I believe let the market drive wages instead of relying on some arbitrary numbers. Let compensation be based on performance, Same things with layoffs.


It comes to supply and demand. If schools werent bloated with redundant administrators, useless positions etc, there would be more wages for the teachers.

[Furtherman]

You are not presenting the other side to what most of us believe. You are presenting other side to what some fictional liberal that does not exist on this board believes. People always approach you with middle-ground ideas and your retort is always extreme. It's frustrating and you are viewed as someone who simply wants to spew his rhetoric rather than present a valid point of view.

:clap:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You are not presenting the other side to what most of us believe. You are presenting other side to what some fictional liberal that does not exist on this board believes. People always approach you with middle-ground ideas and your retort is always extreme. It's frustrating and you are viewed as someone who simply wants to spew his rhetoric rather than present a valid point of view.

Test scores down since unionization of teachers, Graduation rates lower, Opposition of merit pay.


Thats not rhetoric those are facts

[Dudeman]

You are not presenting the other side to what most of us believe. You are presenting other side to what some fictional liberal that does not exist on this board believes. People always approach you with middle-ground ideas and your retort is always extreme. It's frustrating and you are viewed as someone who simply wants to spew his rhetoric rather than present a valid point of view.
:smile:

[Dudeman]

Test scores down since unionization of teachers, Graduation rates lower, Opposition of merit pay.


Thats not rhetoric those are facts

Your solution of fucking over the teachers or making teaching an even less attractive job for college graduates will solve these problems.

[Dudeman]

If schools werent bloated with redundant administrators, useless positions etc, there would be more wages for the teachers.

Then propose solutions that go after these so-called "redundant administrators, useless positions etc".

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Then propose solutions that go after these so-called "redundant administrators, useless positions etc".

Eliminate them. THEY'RE UNNECESSARY!!!!!!!!

[Barnaby Jones]

Which ones???

[Dudeman]

Eliminate them. THEY'RE UNNECESSARY!!!!!!!!
1. Because you call them unnecessary, doesn't make them unnecessary.
2. Tax brakes for the rich business owners, like the Koch brothers, are being used for things much less necessary than something in a school.
3. Why don't you focus on cutting these things you call waste, rather than going after teacher salaries, collective bargaining and benefits?

[Dudeman]

Which ones???

He'll say diversity counselors. He'll have no evidence that diversity counselors aren't beneficial (he just hates diversity.) And he'll want us to believe that paying for diversity counselors is what is destroying the funding of public education. (He's already laid out his playbook- its wrong, and doesn't make sense, and then he'll change the subject.)

[foodcourtdruide]

1. Because you call them unnecessary, doesn't make them unnecessary.
2. Tax brakes for the rich business owners, like the Koch brothers, are being used for things much less necessary than something in a school.
3. Why don't you focus on cutting these things you call waste, rather than going after teacher salaries, collective bargaining and benefits?

Link that doesn't address Dudeman's points, but argues against a much broader, vague opinion that has little to do with Dudeman's post in 3... 2... 1...

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Which ones???

You can start by eliminating diversity officers. Redundant assistant coaches, teachers aides for starters

[foodcourtdruide]

He'll say diversity counselors. He'll have no evidence that diversity counselors aren't beneficial (he just hates diversity.) And he'll want us to believe that paying for diversity counselors is what is destroying the funding of public education.

He said earlier that since the unionization of teachers test scores have been down, etc.

As if in that time period, the only thing that's changed in the world is teachers were unionized.

[foodcourtdruide]

You can start by eliminating diversity officers. Redundant assistant coaches, teachers aides for starters

DUDEMAN is a genius! Congrats.

[Dudeman]

DUDEMAN is a genius! Congrats.

You copied me WF! I am honored!

ME:
He'll say diversity counselors. He'll have no evidence that diversity counselors aren't beneficial (he just hates diversity.) And he'll want us to believe that paying for diversity counselors is what is destroying the funding of public education. (He's already laid out his playbook- its wrong, and doesn't make sense, and then he'll change the subject.)

then

WF:
You can start by eliminating diversity officers

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He'll say diversity counselors. He'll have no evidence that diversity counselors aren't beneficial (he just hates diversity.) And he'll want us to believe that paying for diversity counselors is what is destroying the funding of public education. (He's already laid out his playbook- its wrong, and doesn't make sense, and then he'll change the subject.)

Thats not the point. No one said have segregated schools. Its unnecessary positions like that. Its the demands of the teachers unions, Its some bad teachers and some bad parents. Dumping more money isn't going to solve this problem.

[Dudeman]

Thats not the point. No one said have segregated schools. Its unnecessary positions like that. Its the demands of the teachers unions, Its some bad teachers and some bad parents. Dumping more money isn't going to solve this problem.

WHAT?????????????????????????????????
Can anyone else here explain his logic? Who brought up segregated school?

Like I said, "his playbook- its wrong, and doesn't make sense, and then he'll change the subject"

Again:
1. Because you call them unnecessary, doesn't make them unnecessary.
2. Tax brakes for the rich business owners, like the Koch brothers, are being used for things much less necessary than something in a school.
3. Why don't you focus on cutting these things you call waste, rather than going after teacher salaries, collective bargaining and benefits?

[Dudeman]

DUDEMAN is a genius! Congrats.

With this, I'm out. Back to the reading I need to be doing...

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Parents for example need to have their children involved in every activity/sport. Wheres the time to concentrate on their homework studying. Theres nothing wrong with playing a sport but when afterschool activities consume their time then its a problem

[epo]

Test scores down since unionization of teachers, Graduation rates lower, Opposition of merit pay.


Thats not rhetoric those are facts

Facts normally have solid proof. Where is said proof?

[Dudeman]

Parents for example need to have their children involved in every activity/sport. Wheres the time to concentrate on their homework studying. Theres nothing wrong with playing a sport but when afterschool activities consume their time then its a problem

What the fuck. Follow the fucking logic. Don't completely change the topic. We were taking about diversity officers as your example of waste.
YOU said waste was destroying the school system and the government. YOU said diversity officers are that waste. Stick to the topic. Defend your point. Show the following to prove YOUR argument:

-Show that the cost of diversity officers is bankrupting government, and especially school funding.
-Show that money for tax brakes for the Koch brothers is more beneficial for society than money to a school district, even if it is being used for a diversity officer.
-Show that decreasing teacher salaries and teacher benefits and teacher collective bargaining rights will increase the quality of education.


If you truly believe in your opinions and want to have a discussion, then don't change the subject and provide concrete evidence for your claims.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

WHAT?????????????????????????????????
Can anyone else here explain his logic? Who brought up segregated school?

Like I said, "his playbook- its wrong, and doesn't make sense, and then he'll change the subject"

Again:
1. Because you call them unnecessary, doesn't make them unnecessary.
2. Tax brakes for the rich business owners, like the Koch brothers, are being used for things much less necessary than something in a school.
3. Why don't you focus on cutting these things you call waste, rather than going after teacher salaries, collective bargaining and benefits?

1. Reading, Math, Science, History, takes precedence.
2. How about giving teachers the option not to join a union. Also use a hybrid of property and sales taxes to fund schools. I posted that lottery revenue is used in a lot of states
3. Cut the waste like the positions that are not needed. If there could be some competition between teachers based on performance that would make wages better for teachers with a better performance. How about reforming tenure.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What the fuck. Follow the fucking logic. Don't completely change the topic. We were taking about diversity officers as your example of waste.
YOU said waste was destroying the school system and the government. YOU said diversity officers are that waste. Stick to the topic. Defend your point. Show the following to prove YOUR argument:

-Show that the cost of diversity officers is bankrupting government, and especially school funding.
-Show that money for tax brakes for the Koch brothers is more beneficial for society than money to a school district, even if it is being used for a diversity officer.
-Show that decreasing teacher salaries and teacher benefits and teacher collective bargaining rights will increase the quality of education.


If you truly believe in your opinions and want to have a discussion, then don't change the subject and provide concrete evidence for your claims.

Diversity officers are one of many that is a waste of money and resources

Read more about waste


http://www.akdart.com/edu4.html

[Barnaby Jones]

Man, WF is a one-man entertaining machine!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Man, WF is a one-man entertaining machine!!!

Put forth your proposals to fix public education.

Psst. More money doesn't count

[WRESTLINGFAN]

UNSUSTAINABLE!!!!!



http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/133920

[Barnaby Jones]

GO-GO-GO-GO!!!

He never stops!!! This is great!!!

Can you imagine what it would be like to live in his brain for one day???

[WRESTLINGFAN]

GO-GO-GO-GO!!!

He never stops!!! This is great!!!

Can you imagine what it would be like to live in his brain for one day???

You cant live there. Its not guhbmint housing.

[Barnaby Jones]

Like, does he make up his social interactions, just like he makes up conversations and people on the board???? What is actually real in WF's life??? How does he distinguish between fantasy and reality??? I'm actually worried we're dealing with some Beautiful Mind shit here...minus the genius stuff, of course!!! It's funny and sad at the same time!!!

[underdog]

Can you imagine what it would be like to live in his brain for one day???

Just find a mexican gay porn site. It's pretty much the same thing.

[razorboy]

Can you imagine what it would be like to live in his brain for one day???

I imagine a border wall and a strict no redundant brain cell policy.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Just find a mexican gay porn site. It's pretty much the same thing.

The sombrero and droopy moustache doesnt look good on you


Stick to the drunk day laborer side of the road look

[brettmojo]

UNSUSTAINABLE!!!!!



http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/133920
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee103/brettmojo/tumblr_lefsyv8JF91qf8yek.gif

[Barnaby Jones]

I have a feeling the common reaction to a WF thread or post goes like this!!!

http://i40.tinypic.com/htti02.jpg

[disneyspy]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l7a3akqv3e1qabvsro1_500.gif

[Dan 'Hampton]

Lets cut teacher pay so that the only people who will be able to afford to teach will be illegal aliens. Sounds good to me.

[Dan 'Hampton]

WF is the Karl Pilkington of this board.

[brettmojo]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l7a3akqv3e1qabvsro1_500.gif
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee103/brettmojo/tumblr_leftlcc6W71qf8yek.gif

[TjM]

My point was dummy Mass unions pay 50% of their Health care. So much for your Free Health Care union utopia

[Furtherman]

http://blastr.com/assets_c/2011/02/WisconsinRallyProtestSignLead-thumb-550x412-57932.jpg

[Dude!]

http://blastr.com/assets_c/2011/02/WisconsinRallyProtestSignLead-thumb-550x412-57932.jpg

it's awful people like that
that turned gabby
into a vegetable

they should be locked-up

[WRESTLINGFAN]

it's awful people like that
that turned gabby
into a vegetable

they should be locked-up

I would lock them up for using pink spraypaint

[Dude!]

I would lock them up for using pink spraypaint

and wearing awful
striped clothes

although prison-stripes
would suit them well

[WRESTLINGFAN]

and wearing awful
striped clothes

although prison-stripes
would suit them well

Ship'em to AZ


http://no1sicko.com/arpaio.htm

[epo]

http://blastr.com/assets_c/2011/02/WisconsinRallyProtestSignLead-thumb-550x412-57932.jpg

On Saturday I saw an Imperial Walker that people were walking in and protesting around the Capitol. Outstanding stuff.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Can we call the Wisconsin 14 Fleebaggers?

When will they be on AMW ?

[Dude!]

i heard about a case
in wisconsin where union thugs
killed a man by pushing him
into a machine that grinds
up wood chips to make paper-pulp

that's the kind of people
walker is dealing with

[spoon]

Whats the matter? Its always your side who is saying be civil and the right are violent spew hate.


I give another view on this board and your go on a tangent because there are people who disagree with your views and the demands of the unions. Its not just Wisconsin. States all over the country just dont have the money. Democrat politicians made promises to the union bosses that were unsustainable.


Do all the name calling and ridiculing you want. I really don't care

It's funny how people with very little and or nothing can and should have their small piece taken away bc the Dems can't support it, but IMMEDIATELY the Repubs like Walker go in and give MORE back to those who have plenty in the form of hundreds of millions via tax cuts at the same time. Yes, this whole thing is simply about budget crunches and bottom lines, bc those tax cuts are small and the unions are the big chunk killing our states(supporting an ever dwindling middle class).

[spoon]

He'll say diversity counselors. He'll have no evidence that diversity counselors aren't beneficial (he just hates diversity.) And he'll want us to believe that paying for diversity counselors is what is destroying the funding of public education. (He's already laid out his playbook- its wrong, and doesn't make sense, and then he'll change the subject.)

And as I've seen in most schools out here in NJ, these extra roles are taken on by current teachers. I'm sure some positions of need are staffed full-time, but many are extra work for already busy teachers or administrators. WF won't be happy until our worker's rights and wages come down to meet countries like China and Mexico. You would think he was a Cohen brother or another corp head in order to think the way he does bc going against our own interest seems to be a fad in this fucking country for years now.

We literally get these bs smokescreen issue as the cause of our problems put out there on purpose so they can do all the other bs that is actually destroying this country and lining their pockets. How is it the financial crisis has pretty much been buried and hardly a soul got put in jail? Bc money doesn't need protection, even when it's dirty. But yes WF, it's the public sector unions that got us here! Sad thing is, the plan is working.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

And as I've seen in most schools out here in NJ, these extra roles are taken on by current teachers. I'm sure some positions of need are staffed full-time, but many are extra work for already busy teachers or administrators. WF won't be happy until our worker's rights and wages come down to meet countries like China and Mexico. You would think he was a Cohen brother or another corp head in order to think the way he does bc going against our own interest seems to be a fad in this fucking country for years now.

We literally get these bs smokescreen issue as the cause of our problems put out there on purpose so they can do all the other bs that is actually destroying this country and lining their pockets. How is it the financial crisis has pretty much been buried and hardly a soul got put in jail? Bc money doesn't need protection, even when it's dirty. But yes WF, it's the public sector unions that got us here! Sad thing is, the plan is working.

We can thank politicians in both parties, as well as the rating agencies who graded garbage mortgage pools with AAA ratings. Fannie and Freddie are still posting losses in the billions. The geniuses at the Federal reserve with their cheap and easy monetary policies helped inflate the bubble.


Public sector unions aren't the only cause of this mess, theres also the endless wars, bloated welfare state, but the unfunded liabilities are as much as 3 trillion dollars. Politicians made promises they could not keep. Even if the rich were taxed at 99% it still would not cover the shortfall.

What if the public sector unions go begging for a bailout, do you want to subsidize someone in CA ?

[spoon]

You cant live there. Its not guhbmint housing.

The sombrero and droopy moustache doesnt look good on you


Stick to the drunk day laborer side of the road look

it's awful people like that
that turned gabby
into a vegetable

they should be locked-up

I would lock them up for using pink spraypaint

and wearing awful
striped clothes

although prison-stripes
would suit them well

Ship'em to AZ


http://no1sicko.com/arpaio.htm

Can we call the Wisconsin 14 Fleebaggers?

When will they be on AMW ?

i heard about a case
in wisconsin where union thugs
killed a man by pushing him
into a machine that grinds
up wood chips to make paper-pulp

that's the kind of people
walker is dealing with

Here you go, a great compilation of posts by our two favorites. These are not selected from throughout this thread, they are simply the last few written by both. Search for a racial, bigoted theme in the posts. I'm sure it won't take very long. It's just amazing you can't even try to look at both sides, but with even both of your most recent posts it's clear where both of you are coming from. Complete intolerance and ignorance. I'm not even attacking you, it's pretty much a fact at this point. There is a major difference between a joking post and showing your true nature. Sorry boys, it's clear we are all wasting our time unless you get a kick out of it like Barnaby and myself.

Now back to blasting diversity officers, the scourge of the US economy and Wisconsin budget crisis!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Here you go, a great compilation of posts by our two favorites. These are not selected from throughout this thread, they are simply the last few written by both. Search for a racial, bigoted theme in the posts. I'm sure it won't take very long. It's just amazing you can't even try to look at both sides, but with even both of your most recent posts it's clear where both of you are coming from. Complete intolerance and ignorance. I'm not even attacking you, it's pretty much a fact at this point. There is a major difference between a joking post and showing your true nature. Sorry boys, it's clear we are all wasting our time unless you get a kick out of it like Barnaby and myself.

Now back to blasting diversity officers, the scourge of the US economy and Wisconsin budget crisis!

Its only humor when it agrees to your agenda. Everything else is hateful and intolerance. I get it now.

[spoon]

Its only humor when it agrees to your agenda. Everything else is hateful and intolerance. I get it now.

It's all you have.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This is turning into a progressive freak parade. Tomorrow is going to be an emergency rally. How is something planned an emergency?.


All the usual suspects, color of change, sierra club, green for all, AFL-CIO, SEIU Amnesty and open border groups and other astroturfers are involved.


Im sure workers rights will congeal into cries for hi speed rail, Amnesty for illegals and green jobs. Cant wait to see the circus animals like Trumka, Jackson, Sharpton and their lemmings.



http://pol.moveon.org/event/events/index.html?action_id=238

[WRESTLINGFAN]

i heard about a case
in wisconsin where union thugs
killed a man by pushing him
into a machine that grinds
up wood chips to make paper-pulp

that's the kind of people
walker is dealing with

In other words, a union coffee break

[WRESTLINGFAN]

And on the 7th day God created unions ?


<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/nND6dLXwQco" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


It amazes me when progressives use God to serve their purpose.

Always good to see calypso Lou's name attached to the carnival.

[Dude!]

unless you get a kick out of it like Barnaby and myself.

as if spoon and barnaby
aren't the same person

[WRESTLINGFAN]

as if spoon and barnaby
aren't the same person

Whose favorite color happens to be pink.

[Barnaby Jones]

This is too fucking funny!!! spoon sets it up on a tee and without a shred of self-awareness WF goes out of his way to show himself to be the cartoon that he is!!!!

Love that he's so delusional he can actually convince himself that this was nothing but an attempt at union busting by Walker!!! HE ADMITTED IT HIMSELF!!! Too fucking funny!!! Now let's sit back and wait for more meaningless links and videos and rambling mental vomit and the parade of schticky insults!!! He actually thinks it's insulting to say someone is gay!!! Oh, but don't call him out on being hateful, bigoted sack of shit!!! Hee-hee!!!

And best of all, he actually thinks Dude! is a good ally to have!!! He's literally the only person who ever backs him up!!! This is so entertaining!!!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Oh BJ your cries of bigotry and the rest of the tired bumper sticker cookie cutter lines of the progressives provide great entertainment. Keep em comin I can't get enough of it.

[underdog]

bumper sticker cookie cutter lines

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