Scott Walker the naturally thin Chris Christie

[Barnaby Jones]

Oh man, you can't pay someone to be that cluelessly ironic!!! He never lets us down!!!

He never answered my questions before asking just who he thinks he's convincing of anything here!!! Like who is on this crusade for??? I'll bet he thinks there are lurkers hanging on his posts, being swayed by his crazy, nonsensical arguments!!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Oh man, you can't pay someone to be that cluelessly ironic!!! He never lets us down!!!

He never answered my questions before asking just who he thinks he's convincing of anything here!!! Like who is on this crusade for??? I'll bet he thinks there are lurkers hanging on his posts, being swayed by his crazy, nonsensical arguments!!!!


I'm not here to convince you or anyone. I have a different opinion. Like you think you are going to convince me to agree with your batshit crazy ideology ?

[Furtherman]

The Wisconsin Lie revealed.

http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2011/02/25/the-wisconsin-lie-exposed-taxpayers-actually-contribute-nothing-to-public-employee-pensions/

[disneyspy]

i know i've said it before but the koch bros are so using the teabaggers

wait til the same teabagging winconites are paying huge electric bills and cant do anything about it,then they'll see how fucked and used they really are

[brettmojo]

Whose favorite color happens to be pink.
http://www.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/19457_o.gif

[KnoxHarrington]

i know i've said it before but the koch bros are so using the teabaggers

wait til the same teabagging winconites are paying huge electric bills and cant do anything about it,then they'll see how fucked and used they really are

The thing is that teabaggers don't believe they're the ones who'll get fucked once corporations take over. No, get that pesky gubbmint off their backs and they'll get rich somehow.

The teabaggers will be the first thrown under the bus after their usefulness is done.

[underdog]

i know i've said it before but the koch bros are so using the teabaggers

Everyone is using the teabaggers.

[midwestjeff]

Every time this thread pops up I read the title as,

"Scott Walker the thin white duke".


That's all.

[Dudeman]

i know i've said it before but the koch bros are so using the teabaggers

wait til the same teabagging winconites are paying huge electric bills and cant do anything about it,then they'll see how fucked and used they really are

The amazing thing is that when there is a discussion about returning tax rates for those >250K to pre-Bush cut levels, the tea party types start yelling about "Class Warfare." It might be the greatest mind trick.

[foodcourtdruide]

Every time this thread pops up I read the title as,

"Scott Walker the thin white duke".


That's all.

Me too.

[KnoxHarrington]

Me too.

Scott Walker was who Bowie based most of the Thin White Duke persona on, actually.

[Barnaby Jones]

I'm not here to convince you or anyone. I have a different opinion. Like you think you are going to convince me to agree with your batshit crazy ideology ?

You have no idea what my "ideology" is, buddy!!! You THINK you do, because you imagine everyone who points out how ridiculous you are is this goofy, cartoonishly hippie "progressive" image you're obsessed with!!!

I don't expect to convince anyone so buried in delusion!!! I just don't understand the masochism!!! It's oddly impressive!!! You really think you're always right and that everyone else is wrong!!!

Seriously, name just one time you think you were wrong or mistaken here!!! Just one!!!

[A.J.]

bumper sticker cookie cutter lines

Fucking starvin'. We got any cookies back there?

[hanso]

Isn't that Bill-o's line he's used for years? WF comments are laced with this sort of thing.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You have no idea what my "ideology" is, buddy!!! You THINK you do, because you imagine everyone who points out how ridiculous you are is this goofy, cartoonishly hippie "progressive" image you're obsessed with!!!

I don't expect to convince anyone so buried in delusion!!! I just don't understand the masochism!!! It's oddly impressive!!! You really think you're always right and that everyone else is wrong!!!

Seriously, name just one time you think you were wrong or mistaken here!!! Just one!!!


1 example? When I stated that another poster wanted open borders because he favored amnesty.


Progressive doesnt mean that youre on the corner of haight asbury with a beat up guitar smoking a joint. It seems you favor a more centralized federal government with more power. Is that the case? Do you want a Western European type of national government? IE Social democracy? If thats not the case then what is your politicial idealogy then?

[Dudeman]

You have no idea what my "ideology" is, buddy!!! You THINK you do, because you imagine everyone who points out how ridiculous you are is this goofy, cartoonishly hippie "progressive" image you're obsessed with!!!

I don't expect to convince anyone so buried in delusion!!! I just don't understand the masochism!!! It's oddly impressive!!! You really think you're always right and that everyone else is wrong!!!

Seriously, name just one time you think you were wrong or mistaken here!!! Just one!!!

All too easy.

WF:
"Speaking of FLOTUS why doesnt she talk about the shit fed to kids with those prized school lunches. Somalis wouldnt eat those."


REALITY (less than 2 weeks before WF's quote):
First lady Michelle Obama's new campaign against childhood obesity, dubbed "Let's Move," puts improvements to school food at the top of the agenda. Some 31 million children participate in federal school meal programs, Obama noted in announcing her initiative last week, "and what we don't want is a situation where parents are taking all the right steps at home -- and then their kids undo all that work with salty, fatty food in the school cafeteria," she explained. "So let's move to get healthier food into our nation's schools."
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/11/AR2010021103894.html)

[hanso]

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[Syd]

The thing is that teabaggers don't believe they're the ones who'll get fucked once corporations take over. No, get that pesky gubbmint off their backs and they'll get rich somehow.

The teabaggers will be the first thrown under the bus after their usefulness is done.

citation: Look at Appalachia. It's practically third world, and it's coming to a community near you. If you want to roll over for corporations, just remember you're making it easier for them to fuck you.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

citation: Look at Appalachia. It's practically third world, and it's coming to a community near you. If you want to roll over for corporations, just remember you're making it easier for them to fuck you.

Speaking of 3rd world. This is an example of Detroit. Parts of LA look like a Central American dump.


http://crimeindetroit.com/Expositions_files/abandoned.jpg




Teabaggers are gullible and misguided, However the same has to go with a lot of minorities. The bloated nanny state came and swept in like a massive Tsunami causing urban decay in cities like this all over the country and as a result, crime, a highly uneducated population and generations of the same cycle of dependence and zero liability voters.

[foodcourtdruide]

Speaking of 3rd world. This is an example of Detroit. Parts of LA look like a Central American dump.


http://crimeindetroit.com/Expositions_files/abandoned.jpg




Teabaggers are gullible and misguided, However the same has to go with a lot of minorities. The bloated nanny state came and swept in like a massive Tsunami causing urban decay in cities like this all over the country and as a result, crime, a highly uneducated population and generations of the same cycle of dependence and zero liability voters.

What?

[Dudeman]

What?

Don't question him. He has been to all of these places, and he knows the people well. He's done a lot of work with inner city youths.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Don't question him. He has been to all of these places, and he knows the people well. He's done a lot of work with inner city youths.

My taxes have been pissed away to keep them in the inner city. as the progressives want it to be. the new plantation.

Like those cities are success stories. You set the bar very low.

[Dudeman]

My taxes have been pissed away to keep them in the inner city. as the progressives want it to be. the new plantation.

Like those cities are success stories. You set the bar very low.

Your mind is so warped by corporate funded think tank slogans.

You sit in front of your computer, fuming (:furious:) at how you've been wronged by teacher unions and inner city types with their g-damn cellphone. It goes around and around in your head- everything you see or read comes back to your anger for the how it isn't what you know (not you think, but you know) it all needs to be.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Your mind is so warped by corporate funded think tank slogans.

You sit in front of your computer, fuming (:furious:) at how you've been wronged by teacher unions and inner city types with their g-damn cellphone. It goes around and around in your head- everything you see or read comes back to your anger for the how it isn't what you know (not you think, but you know) it all needs to be.

I dont need some think tanks or corporations to speak for me. The teabaggers are being led by Dick Armey a HUUUUUGE Corporatist. He complains about big gov't but wants the borders wide open.


Its not some slogan to not have money just thrown down some rat hole with failure as the norm.

[foodcourtdruide]

So according to WF,all cities in America look like Detroit because of "entitlements"? Is he saying what happened in Detroit is because of government money going to poor people? If that's the case, why wouldn't every city in America look like that? I think it's pretty universally agreed that Detroit is in the shape it's in because of a mass exodus of jobs in a short period of time.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Detroit is ground zero for urban decay going back from before the collapse of GM. It goes back to THE 1960's and the great society. Post 1961 it has been run by Democrats starting with Jerome Cavanaugh. The failures of central urban planning goes back to the model cities program

Detroit was promised government aid, entitlements and a result a society to be dependent on the taxpayers.

[Donnie Iris]

My taxes have been pissed away to keep them in the inner city. as the progressives want it to be. the new plantation.

Like those cities are success stories. You set the bar very low.

I better warn my friends in San Francisco. Thanks for the heads up! You're smart!

[foodcourtdruide]

Detroit is ground zero for urban decay going back from before the collapse of GM. It goes back to THE 1960's and the great society. Post 1961 it has been run by Democrats starting with Jerome Cavanaugh. The failures of central urban planning goes back to the model cities program

Detroit was promised government aid, entitlements and a result a society to be dependent on the taxpayers.

Just doesn't make sense. So, becasue Detroit had a democratic mayor it was promised all these "entitlements", and it went into decay? What about all the other cities with democrats in control that didn't go into decay? How about all the other cities that had failed urban planning projects that don't currently look like Detroit?

People in DETROIT fell under the spell of expecting government aid and not taking personal responsibility, but all other cities that are currently not in as bad condition as Detroit didn't?

What?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I better warn my friends in San Francisco. Thanks for the heads up! You're smart!

"Friends" in SF


Youre good with euphanysms

[spoon]

"Friends" in SF


Youre good with euphanysms

What?

Again, what?

[Dudeman]

Again, what?

God damn it. Don't you see what he's saying. It is so fucking clear, but you stupid progessives are too dumb to see it. God damn it. :furious:

[spoon]

i guess not, bc he wasn't even close...but still bigoted

i mean, WAY off

[Donnie Iris]

"Friends" in SF


Youre good with euphanysms

I saw this response coming a mile away. Spelling included.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

i guess not, bc he wasn't even close...but still bigoted

i mean, WAY off


Since when is humor bigotry? Next time someone says redneck or Guido you better be the first one to cry bigotry

[hanso]

Detroit is ground zero for urban decay going back from before the collapse of GM. It goes back to THE 1960's and the great society. Post 1961 it has been run by Democrats starting with Jerome Cavanaugh. The failures of central urban planning goes back to the model cities program

Detroit was promised government aid, entitlements and a result a society to be dependent on the taxpayers.

But they have casinos.

" Detroit's casino market, which last year outpaced the larger and more well-known destinations of Atlantic City, NJ, and Las Vegas ".

http://www.detnews.com/article/20110228/BIZ/102280341/MGM-Grand-leads-growth-of-Detroit-casino-market


I found this out watching tv show hardcore pawn. If you haven't seen this check it out. The locals go ape shit. Why can't these folks chillax?‎

[Dudeman]

Since when is humor bigotry?

Because it is impossible for humor to be racist? You seem to imply that if it is in the form of humor, it is all ok.

http://niggermania.com/
http://www.racist-jokes.com/

Richard Pryor... funny jokes about race that shed light and insight on the issue.

WF... :furious:

[Syd]

Appalachia or Mexico

http://i53.tinypic.com/dlneht.jpg

Appalachia or Somalia

http://i56.tinypic.com/160aosn.jpg

Appalachia or Chechnya

http://i54.tinypic.com/2h6ge9u.jpg

Clearly, these pictures show the importance of low taxes and the free market.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Because it is impossible for humor to be racist? You seem to imply that if it is in the form of humor, it is all ok.

http://niggermania.com/
http://www.racist-jokes.com/

Richard Pryor... funny jokes about race that shed light and insight on the issue.

WF... :furious:

Waiting for your outrage on this in 3,2,1

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703652104576122100035445220.html

[Dudeman]

Waiting for your outrage on this in 3,2,1

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703652104576122100035445220.html

Middle-aged white man with mustache
Young woman with sunglasses and nose ring 1
Young woman with sunglasses and nose ring 2
Middle-aged woman with squeaky voice
Young man with sunglasses
Young woman with unpierced nose

Bravo WF. :clap:
And your ability to follow a conversation's logic is impeccable. Your bizarre link had nothing to do with the role of race and humor.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

A result of top down one size fits all, Central planning big nanny state government

Havana Cuba only 90 miles away from the Continental US


http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/50328065.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=E41C9FE5C4AA0A14CA5397E42AF28592A3DA4DCD7B54EF0C 630843A44E70DA9EB01E70F2B3269972


The northrn part of the 38th parallel. Just dont be one of those pesky American journalists. You might need a well known politician to come bail you out.

http://cdn.everyjoe.com/files/2008/05/pyongyang-north-korea-nc.jpg


Not as extreme, but entice people from the 3rd world and give other peoples money away to them, babysit them and their extended families and Western European countries turn into this fine specimen called the modern day UK

http://autoook.com/news/opinionconstructs/opinion-pics/UK%20Muslims.jpg


We are following their lead


http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/day-laborers-apr-24.jpg

[spoon]

Can I play guy with only one softball jersey of a hockey team in the next installment?

[spoon]

A result of top down one size fits all, Central planning big nanny state government

Havana Cuba only 90 miles away from the Continental US


http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/50328065.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=E41C9FE5C4AA0A14CA5397E42AF28592A3DA4DCD7B54EF0C 630843A44E70DA9EB01E70F2B3269972


The northrn part of the 38th parallel. Just dont be one of those pesky American journalists. You might need a well known politician to come bail you out.

http://cdn.everyjoe.com/files/2008/05/pyongyang-north-korea-nc.jpg


Not as extreme, but entice people from the 3rd world and give other peoples money away to them, babysit them and their extended families and Western European countries turn into this fine specimen called the modern day UK

http://autoook.com/news/opinionconstructs/opinion-pics/UK%20Muslims.jpg


We are following their lead


http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/day-laborers-apr-24.jpg

yep, great examples as expected

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Middle-aged white man with mustache

Young woman with sunglasses and nose ring 1

Young woman with sunglasses and nose ring 2

Middle-aged woman with squeaky voice

Young man with sunglasses

Young woman with unpierced nose

Bravo WF. :clap:
And your ability to follow a conversation's logic is impeccable. Your bizarre link had nothing to do with the role of race and humor.



Do you advocate lynching yes or no? Quit hiding behind how they are dressed and what color hair they have.
Way to dodge the topic.

[Dudeman]

Do you advocate lynching yes or no? Quit hiding behind how they are dressed and what color hair they have.
Way to dodge the topic.

You got me WF. I whole heartedly endorse everything the following well known, highly influential individuals say:

Middle-aged white man with mustache
Young woman with sunglasses and nose ring 1
Young woman with sunglasses and nose ring 2
Middle-aged woman with squeaky voice
Young man with sunglasses
Young woman with unpierced nose

[spoon]

Do you advocate lynching yes or no? Quit hiding behind how they are dressed and what color hair they have.
Way to dodge the topic.

Man you nailed him, NAILED HIM!

He was dodging DM is CLEARY an advocate for lynching and was hiding behind man with mustache.

WF, outstanding deductions. Bravo buddy!

:wallbash:

[spoon]

You got me WF. I whole heartedly endorse everything the following well known, highly influential individuals say:

Middle-aged white man with mustache
Young woman with sunglasses and nose ring 1
Young woman with sunglasses and nose ring 2
Middle-aged woman with squeaky voice
Young man with sunglasses
Young woman with unpierced nose

Hey!

I guess I shouldn't take a piss mid-post.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You got me WF. I whole heartedly endorse everything the following well known, highly influential individuals say:

Middle-aged white man with mustache
Young woman with sunglasses and nose ring 1
Young woman with sunglasses and nose ring 2
Middle-aged woman with squeaky voice
Young man with sunglasses
Young woman with unpierced nose

So next time some teabagger with a pot belly and fanny pack carrying a sign that has words spelled wrong and a picture of Obama with a bone thru his nose, you won't take them seriously then. I see now.

[Dudeman]

So next time some teabagger with a pot belly and fanny pack carrying a sign that has words spelled wrong and a picture of Obama with a bone thru his nose, you won't take them seriously then. I see now.

I NEVER HAVE!!!! As has been discussed many many many times on this board, the issue isn't some random "Middle-aged white man with mustache" or "Middle-aged woman with squeaky voice" says shit, it is when national figures, LEFT or RIGHT, say bizarre shit (not some random local politician or blogger.) You know, like the crazy shit that comes out of US Congresswoman Michele Bachmann's mouth. (You know, the same Bachmann who praises and makes appearances with certain other US Congressmen.)
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/VKN_JDMuKwU/0.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I NEVER HAVE!!!! As has been discussed many many many times on this board, the issue isn't some random "Middle-aged white man with mustache" or "Middle-aged woman with squeaky voice" says shit, it is when people, LEFT or RIGHT, say bizarre shit. But it is most disturbing when it comes from national figures (not some random local politician or blogger.) You know, like the crazy shit that comes out of US Congresswoman Michele Bachmann's mouth. (You know, the same Bachmann who praises and makes appearances with other US Congressmen.)
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/VKN_JDMuKwU/0.jpg

Like Jesse Jackson comparing Lebron James to a runaway slave?

Another national figure who says crazy things all the time. Wait are you going to say its not relevant because of his bad hairplugs?


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/Joe_Biden_-_World_Economic_Forum_Annual_Meeting_Davos_2003.jp g


BTW Bachmann will NEVER be elected president

[spoon]

so i guess we are all in bed with the jesse jackson camp now?

and biden is just loose lipped and a bit slow witted, not a fucking racist or catalyst for anger in politics

[spoon]

BTW Bachmann will NEVER be elected president

no shit

[Dudeman]

BTW Bachmann will NEVER be elected president

Agree.
"Bachmann summarized Paul thusly: "I highly value our featured speaker tonight, Congressman Ron Paul...I've been just honored to know him...He truly is who he says he is. He's an awesome man."" (http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cspg/smartpolitics/2009/09/has_ron_paul_converted_michele.php)

[Dudeman]

so i guess we are all in bed with the jesse jackson camp now?

and biden is just loose lipped and a bit slow witted, not a fucking racist or catalyst for anger in politics

those would be the logical implications/responses to WF... but this is WF

[WRESTLINGFAN]

so i guess we are all in bed with the jesse jackson camp now?

and biden is just loose lipped and a bit slow witted, not a fucking racist or catalyst for anger in politics

Jackson and Sharpton arent racists , they just hate the Jews.

[spoon]

Jackson and Sharpton arent racists , they just hate the Jews.

Man you are all over the place, not one person even made a statement about either of them with the exception of when I made it clear I'm not in their camp (like pretty much all here). In fact, I only made that point bc YOU brought them up in your normal debating tactic which is that of an utterly stupid tornado on meth. Seriously, this whole recent conversation started when we pointed out your tact in these arguments is severely lacking at best, and pretty much bigoted and racist at face value. You responded by saying, not ah, these guys are and hence so are u.

Good talk.

[Dudeman]

Jackson and Sharpton arent racists , they just hate the Jews.

Who's talking about them? You sit in front of your computer like this :furious:, and make up arguments that aren't being made and make up or exaggerate stereotypes of all those people you've never met/worked with/tried to learn more about or understand their position, but who have all wronged you.

[Dudeman]

I dont need some think tanks or corporations to speak for me. .


As far as private charity being better than government? Here it is


http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/cpr-18n6-1.html




To support one of your stupidest, most absurd claims- that charities and churches, as good as their work may be, could do all the work that the government has to do (who is going to investigate child abuse cases if you take away CPS's funding? (you did mock the need for CPS))- you cited the Cato Institute.

Yes, this Cato institute:

founded in 1977 by Edward H. Crane, who remains president and CEO, and Charles Koch, chairman of the board and chief executive officer of the oil conglomerate Koch Industries, Inc., the second largest privately held company (after Cargill) by revenue in the United States. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cato_Institute)

(note that I didn't vilify churches and charities, like you would like to have responded to this post... I just said there are certain things they aren't in a position to do. I appreciate what they can do.)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

To support one of your stupidest, most absurd claims- that charities and churches, as good as their work may be, could do all the work that the government has to do (who is going to investigate child abuse cases if you take away CPS's funding? (you did mock the need for CPS))- you cited the Cato Institute.

Yes, this Cato institute:

founded in 1977 by Edward H. Crane, who remains president and CEO, and Charles Koch, chairman of the board and chief executive officer of the oil conglomerate Koch Industries, Inc., the second largest privately held company (after Cargill) by revenue in the United States. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cato_Institute)

(note that I didn't vilify churches and charities, like you would like to have responded to this post... I just said there are certain things they aren't in a position to do. I appreciate what they can do.)

Everything with you in regards to failures of government agencies is to just throw money at everything. Not enough funding is the same excuse.

There are certain roles of the government however when there are failures at CPS and other agencies bureaucracies, throwing more money down a rat hole just doesnt solve anything.

[foodcourtdruide]

Do you advocate lynching yes or no? Quit hiding behind how they are dressed and what color hair they have.
Way to dodge the topic.

WF, you are nothing if not entertaining. I have no idea why you 're accusing Dudeman of supporting anonymous people that made terrible statements at a rally that probably had 45 people in attendance, but it is literally making me crack up.

You make an absurd statement, people refute it, then you bring up things that have absolutely nothing to do with your statement or the other persons retort.

And what on Earth did the pictures of Cuba, North Korea, etc have to do with anything? Are you honestly comparing Detroit to North Korea?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

WF, you are nothing if not entertaining. I have no idea why you 're accusing Dudeman of supporting anonymous people that made terrible statements at a rally that probably had 45 people in attendance, but it is literally making me crack up.

You make an absurd statement, people refute it, then you bring up things that have absolutely nothing to do with your statement or the other persons retort.

And what on Earth did the pictures of Cuba, North Korea, etc have to do with anything? Are you honestly comparing Detroit to North Korea?

Everytime I post something in jest, Dudeman Spoon et al immediately cry bigotry or racism. When I point out that there are people who are calling for the lynching of a supreme court justice in which they disagree with, thats bothersome. It doesnt matter if they are bloggers or people with piercings.


As far as pictures of Mogadishu thats not examples of free markets, thats total collapse and anarchy.


As far as Pyongyang and Detroit, Of course there is a difference people arent being sent to prison camps, However after 50+ years of Democrats as Mayors look at the Decline of Detroit. North Korea under Communist rule is a nightmare compared to Seoul.

[Dudeman]

Everything with you in regards to failures of government agencies is to just throw money at everything. Not enough funding is the same excuse.

There are certain roles of the government however when there are failures at CPS and other agencies bureaucracies, throwing more money down a rat hole just doesnt solve anything.


Never have I said that the solution "to failures of government agencies is to just throw money at everything". I have even looked for agreements between us- like spending money on books and such in the schools long before scoreboards and fields. It is no different than the Wisc union that is willing to make cuts- times are tough, things have to be cut. We'll disagree on what should be cut. We'll also disagree on whether a government service, such as CPS or WIC, is more important than tax breaks for the rich, esp while that income gap between the rich and everyone else is growing. Some services DO need more money; some less.

But when you say something like that you don't rely on think tank ideas, I can find a specific situation that you did exactly that.

We can disagree, but don't misrepresent my positions.

[CurseoftheBambi]

http://hoopleton.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/fallingdown.jpg

is this what WF looks like?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://hoopleton.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/fallingdown.jpg

is this what WF looks like?

Well I am tapping someone who looks like this


http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/l/celebs_letterman_250707/celebs_letterman_331_wenn1482827.jpg

[Furtherman]

http://images.wikia.com/muppet/images/2/22/LewZealand_Large.jpg

[CurseoftheBambi]

wow that's huge but I'm laughing my ass off.:lol::laugh::thumbup::smile::clap:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

WI Teachers union are a bunch of Koch Suckers


http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/260979/wisconsin-state-employees-should-have-some-koch-and-smile-christian-schneider

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Excellent article regarding gov't pensions.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/21/AR2011022103775.html

[Crispy123]

Excellent article regarding gov't pensions.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/21/AR2011022103775.html

If by excellent you mean it contains no facts, only partisan BS and vague references to phantom "officials", then yes it is excellent.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If by excellent you mean it contains no facts, only partisan BS and vague references to phantom "officials", then yes it is excellent.

So he just made stuff up according to you.

[Crispy123]

So he just made stuff up according to you.

according to me? show me some facts in that article.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

according to me? show me some facts in that article.

Here are Pensions over 100K just for NYS

http://data.lohud.com/labor/retire_form.php

[WRESTLINGFAN]

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And the hacks like Matthews, Maddow Schultz et al went crazy saying that John Lewis was called the N word by teabaggers and that Congressmen were spit on when Obamacare was passed, when it didnt happen


Wheres the civility.

[Crispy123]

Here are Pensions over 100K just for NYS

http://data.lohud.com/labor/retire_form.php


From your link:

School districts are included but list only non-professional employees. Teachers and administrators use a different retirement system.

Furthermore no one listed has a pension of $242,000 cited in the original article. So, not only does your link have NOTHING to do with the article, it only proves my point that this guy spewed absolutley NO facts. Thank you.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

From your link:



Furthermore no one listed has a pension of $242,000 cited in the original article. So, not only does your link have NOTHING to do with the article, it only proves my point that this guy spewed absolutley NO facts. Thank you.

Frank Cruthers... King of the Pensions.

http://gothamist.com/2010/03/31/firefighter_retires_with_department.php

[foodcourtdruide]

From your link:



Furthermore no one listed has a pension of $242,000 cited in the original article. So, not only does your link have NOTHING to do with the article, it only proves my point that this guy spewed absolutley NO facts. Thank you.

It's hilarious that his complaint is with someone who put in 65 years of service getting a $100,000/yr + pension.

Also, let's say pensions are too high. Why isn't the argument to lower pensions instead of completely destroying unions? It's pretty absurd, and it's all a dog and pony show to me. You want to get rid of unions, so find something you disagree with and instead of proposing compromise close your ears and shut your eyes and scream as loud as you can.

[Crispy123]

Frank Cruthers... King of the Pensions.

http://gothamist.com/2010/03/31/firefighter_retires_with_department.php

Ahh yes more evidence that it is partisan hackery trying to masquerade as facts to the right wing window lickers. From your first article:

In New York City, the No. 2 guy in the fire department retired on a pension worth $242,000 a year.

From the second, which also contains vague "sources":

The FDNY's First Deputy Commissioner, Frank Cruthers, 63, has been awarded a tax-free disability pension worth an estimated $242,000 annually for the rest of his life.


Notice the absence in the first opinion article of the words disability and estimated. And speaking of estimated, estimated by whom and based on what? Again no facts only speculation and partisan distortion

It's hilarious that his complaint is with someone who put in 65 years of service getting a $100,000/yr + pension.

Also, let's say pensions are too high. Why isn't the argument to lower pensions instead of completely destroying unions? It's pretty absurd, and it's all a dog and pony show to me. You want to get rid of unions, so find something you disagree with and instead of proposing compromise close your ears and shut your eyes and scream as loud as you can.

Yeah, Its no use trying to have a debate. Just trying to point out (as many have already done)that WF might want to come up with some independent thoughts based on FACT instead of opinion articles and "polls" conducted by the heritage foundation or cato inst.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ahh yes more evidence that it is partisan hackery trying to masquerade as facts to the right wing window lickers. From your first article:



From the second, which also contains vague "sources":




Notice the absence in the first opinion article of the words disability and estimated. And speaking of estimated, estimated by whom and based on what? Again no facts only speculation and partisan distortion



Yeah, Its no use trying to have a debate. Just trying to point out (as many have already done)that WF might want to come up with some independent thoughts based on FACT instead of opinion articles and "polls" conducted by the heritage foundation or cato inst.



lalalalala I dont want to see the facts, Thats your mantra

"The second-in-command at the New York Fire Department was awarded a $242,000 pension for the rest of his life. Frank Cruthers retired at 63, after earning an annual base salary of $201,020 at the end of his career. Upon retirement, he received a “line-of-duty” pension for a knee injury he once suffered on the job. In addition, he is also set to cash out unused compensatory time built up over the course of his career, which could come out to about what he was making in salary. Since he was granted line-of-duty, $150,000 of his pension is tax free from all state, city and federal taxes. Cruthers has received the highest pension ever granted to a city firefighter".

[Crispy123]

No, this is my mantra:

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[foodcourtdruide]

lalalalala I dont want to see the facts, Thats your mantra

"The second-in-command at the New York Fire Department was awarded a $242,000 pension for the rest of his life. Frank Cruthers retired at 63, after earning an annual base salary of $201,020 at the end of his career. Upon retirement, he received a “line-of-duty” pension for a knee injury he once suffered on the job. In addition, he is also set to cash out unused compensatory time built up over the course of his career, which could come out to about what he was making in salary. Since he was granted line-of-duty, $150,000 of his pension is tax free from all state, city and federal taxes. Cruthers has received the highest pension ever granted to a city firefighter".

I don't understand. So, you agree with Crispy that the first article you posted is misleading?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I love to hear how collective bargaining is a human right. If thats the case, then why doesn't everyone have it? Collective bargaining is a privelege. Obama cries that Wisconsin is trying to destroy unions when in fact Fed workers have NO collective bargaining privliges.

This isnt a battle of billionaires vs the so called working class. Its taxpayers vs the pampered public sector.

[Dudeman]

I love to hear how collective bargaining is a human right. If thats the case, then why doesn't everyone have it? Collective bargaining is a privelege. Obama cries that Wisconsin is trying to destroy unions when in fact Fed workers have NO collective bargaining privliges.

This isnt a battle of billionaires vs the so called working class. Its taxpayers vs the pampered public sector.

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[foodcourtdruide]

I love to hear how collective bargaining is a human right. If thats the case, then why doesn't everyone have it? Collective bargaining is a privelege. Obama cries that Wisconsin is trying to destroy unions when in fact Fed workers have NO collective bargaining privliges.

This isnt a battle of billionaires vs the so called working class. Its taxpayers vs the pampered public sector.

Who said collective bargaining is a basic human right?

It must have been the invisible person that WF is always arguing with that said it.

The "pampered public sector" is willing to make concessions.

[Crispy123]

Im tired of coddling these firefighters, teachers and cops.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Who said collective bargaining is a basic human right?

It must have been the invisible person that WF is always arguing with that said it.

The "pampered public sector" is willing to make concessions.

According to this flee-bagger

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/good_day/wisconsin-democrat-jon-erpenbach-collective-bargaining-fight-20110302

[Dudeman]

Im tired of coddling these firefighters, teachers and cops.

with their lavish jewelry and expensive yachts

[foodcourtdruide]

According to this flee-bagger

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/good_day/wisconsin-democrat-jon-erpenbach-collective-bargaining-fight-20110302

So, you think Jon Erpenach is in this thread? Are you talking to him? If so, why are you posting to US?

[brettmojo]

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And the hacks like Matthews, Maddow Schultz et al went crazy saying that John Lewis was called the N word by teabaggers and that Congressmen were spit on when Obamacare was passed, when it didnt happen


Wheres the civility.
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee103/brettmojo/vanderbeek-ohno.gif

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So, you think Jon Erpenach is in this thread? Are you talking to him? If so, why are you posting to US?

Ok if you want to nitpick and split hairs. If I said People on this board saying that collective bargaining is a right then that would have been a valid arguement.

[Dudeman]

So, you think Jon Erpenach is in this thread? Are you talking to him? If so, why are you posting to US?

Classic WF 101...

1. assign false beliefs to the people on the other side of the argument and then start debating that, instead of the person/issue in front of him.

2. totally deny the sources of his own beliefs. Here is a perfect example:

Originally Posted by WRESTLINGFAN
I dont need some think tanks or corporations to speak for me. .

However, in response to the question as to whether a charities or churches could run all services (a fundamental aspect of his preferred societal reorganization), such as Child Protective Services, he quoted the Cato Institute:

Originally Posted by WRESTLINGFAN
As far as private charity being better than government? Here it is

http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/cpr-18n6-1.html



Yes, this Cato institute:
founded in 1977 by Edward H. Crane, who remains president and CEO, and Charles Koch, chairman of the board and chief executive officer of the oil conglomerate Koch Industries, Inc., the second largest privately held company (after Cargill) by revenue in the United States.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Classic WF 101...

1. assign false beliefs to the people on the other side of the argument and then start debating that, instead of the person/issue in front of him.

2. totally deny the sources of his own beliefs. Here is a perfect example:



However, in response to the question as to whether a charities or churches could run all services (a fundamental aspect of his preferred societal reorganization), such as Child Protective Services, he quoted the Cato Institute:




Yes, this Cato institute:
founded in 1977 by Edward H. Crane, who remains president and CEO, and Charles Koch, chairman of the board and chief executive officer of the oil conglomerate Koch Industries, Inc., the second largest privately held company (after Cargill) by revenue in the United States.

That link was the facts to back my posts up.


The same Koch Industries that the teachers unions are invested in? Or did they invest in the Boston Beer company headed by Jim Koch.


Maybe Former NYC Mayor Ed Koch is involved ? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Teachers union. ALL ABOUT POWER!!!!!!


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[spoon]

aboo edit/spammer

[epo]

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And the hacks like Matthews, Maddow Schultz et al went crazy saying that John Lewis was called the N word by teabaggers and that Congressmen were spit on when Obamacare was passed, when it didnt happen


Wheres the civility.

You mean this classy guy, Senator Glenn Grothman?

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Who by the way, we filed recall papers on yesterday.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Recall efforts includes some of the fleebaggers too


http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_c4219152-4596-11e0-825b-001cc4c002e0.html

[epo]

Recall efforts includes some of the fleebaggers too


http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_c4219152-4596-11e0-825b-001cc4c002e0.html

I'm aware. And here is the simple math on this one.

8 GOP Senators are being recalled, 5 Democrats. The of the real possibilities, 6 GOP Senators are in jeopardy of losing, while 1 Democrat is.

I like that math. We win on that math. Good luck bitches.

[Dude!]

well it seems that the
union thugs and the
useful idiots they control
like epo
have done several million
dollars worth of damage
to the capital building

laying off a few more
useless union 'workers'
should cover the cost
of the cleanup

[WRESTLINGFAN]

well it seems that the
union thugs and the
useful idiots they control
like epo
have done several million
dollars worth of damage
to the capital building

laying off a few more
useless union 'workers'
should cover the cost
of the cleanup

Guess that Wisconsin senator was right when he called them slobs. Progressives leave a mess wherever they go.


Heres the aftermath of 1/20/09


http://hillbuzz.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/obamainaugurationmess.jpg


http://blogs.suntimes.com/inauguration/Trash.JPG

[epo]

well it seems that the
union thugs and the
useful idiots they control
like epo
have done several million
dollars worth of damage
to the capital building

laying off a few more
useless union 'workers'
should cover the cost
of the cleanup

You are about 36 hours behind on your talking points. The latest from Madison on that:

State officials say $7 million cleanup of state Capitol was overstated (http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_87fdc162-46ce-11e0-bb6e-001cc4c03286.html)

So Governor Walker got caught in another lie. Keep it up buddy!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The Mumia worshipping Tom Morello standing with members of police unions proved that this whoa is me public sector bitch fest is basically a circus. These Cairo Cheeseheads slobs are so laughable

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The cleanup costs should be billed to the union slobs. Take it out of their dues
That 7.5MM estimate was probably from a union bid

[hanso]

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

It isn't a freakshow without Moore.


Hey you fat fuck. Since youre bellyaching, why dont you give some of your money to the primadonnas. You know the money you made from capitalism


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[underdog]

http://www.paleoseti.com/bilder/pumapunku/Puma%20Punku032.jpg

[spoon]

It isn't a freakshow without Moore.


Hey you fat fuck. Since youre bellyaching, why dont you give some of your money to the primadonnas. You know the money you made from capitalism


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You're just so poetic in your approach to discourse and debate. Why do we even bother trying to combat your amazing posts of enlightenment? That post above is nothing but bitter, nonsensical and completely useless. Udog has the right tact with you, that much is quite clear.

[spoon]

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I love when John has those hypocrite Fox News anchors going both ways on pretty much every issue when it suits their candidates. It's not only pathetic, but very telling and I'm surprised more people aren't upset about it.

Thanks for the embed, missed that ep.

[Snoogans]

you didnt resolve this shit yet?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You're just so poetic in your approach to discourse and debate. Why do we even bother trying to combat your amazing posts of enlightenment? That post above is nothing but bitter, nonsensical and completely useless. Udog has the right tact with you, that much is quite clear.

Are you taking Moore seriously? He makes a hack movie about capitalism and guess what? He makes millions thanks to the system he hates.


Moores nothing but a sideshow, I get a kick out of how progressives believe he's some great philosopher.


I knew it would have turned int a circus when the 2 street hustling race baiting so called reverends, michael moore, and the rest of the acts attached themselves to the Cairo cheeseheads

[WRESTLINGFAN]

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http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0902/michael-moore-demotivational-poster-1233975069.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

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Liebowitz mentions bank bailouts and CEOs and limiting their pay and bonus. There shouldnt have been any bank bailouts. The gov't picking winners and losers isnt the solution. Why doesnt Liebowitz mention the bailout of GE. The same GE who Ed Schultz works for and never says anytging about his boss Immelt shipping jobs to china. The latest victim is the incandescent light bulb. The same GE whose CEO is in bed with the administration and has its cheerleaders on every night with their hack shows on MSNBC


Liebowitz doesnt mention the cash for clunkers program creating an artifically employmen rate with tax dollars. Speaking of clunkers. GM paid out millions in bonuses. I dont care if they averaged out to be about 4G's. That company has not paid its debts back to the taxpayers.


Finally Liebowitz doesnt mention in that clip Fannie and Freddie paying out huge bonuses while asking for more money. Already a couple hundred billion in the hole and they are still not fiscally sound.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Dick Trumka in his infinite union hack mentality wants to raise the gas tax to create jobs. Typical progressive knuckle dragging philosophy. Does he know that this is a regressive tax on his "working class" lemmings?


Sure lets raise it even more so the price of everything else goes up. Brilliant Dick. Simply brilliant

[earlman]

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[epo]

20 lies (and counting) told by Gov. Walker (http://filterednews.wordpress.com/2011/03/05/20-lies-and-counting-told-by-gov-walker/)

That's right, an active list of the bullshit (with sources) that we are currently tolerating. In other words, a source for the debunking of all of WrestlingFan's talking points.

[spoon]

Are you taking Moore seriously? He makes a hack movie about capitalism and guess what? He makes millions thanks to the system he hates.


Moores nothing but a sideshow, I get a kick out of how progressives believe he's some great philosopher.


I knew it would have turned int a circus when the 2 street hustling race baiting so called reverends, michael moore, and the rest of the acts attached themselves to the Cairo cheeseheads

HERE WE GO AGAIN!

Nobody even made a comment one way or the other here on Moore, but you once again put words in our mouths. Nobody defended or agreed with him, and surely not one soul called him a "great philosopher" here or pretty much ANYWHERE from what I have seen/read in my life.

The point was that you once again just name call and throw out tag lines you were force fed as you have above and always do. You didn't show where you disagree with the reasons behind his involvement in the event, you called him a fat fuck and that he's a freakshow.

Oh and stop with the "he can't make money bc he hates capitalism shit, he exposes issues with the system and people who exploit it and rape said systems. He has no issues paying more taxes as he makes more, but I assume you'll say he can on his own if he really wants to. That fixes the fundamental issue he has with the system right? His few millions, if that, amount to NOTHING compared to those he investigates or the industries he researches. I truly don't get where your hate for regular people, workers and those who fight for them comes from.

[disneyspy]

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great first post,man i hope you're not someone's board character

[spoon]

Liebowitz mentions bank bailouts and CEOs and limiting their pay and bonus. There shouldnt have been any bank bailouts. The gov't picking winners and losers isnt the solution. Why doesnt Liebowitz mention the bailout of GE. The same GE who Ed Schultz works for and never says anytging about his boss Immelt shipping jobs to china. The latest victim is the incandescent light bulb. The same GE whose CEO is in bed with the administration and has its cheerleaders on every night with their hack shows on MSNBC


Liebowitz doesnt mention the cash for clunkers program creating an artifically employmen rate with tax dollars. Speaking of clunkers. GM paid out millions in bonuses. I dont care if they averaged out to be about 4G's. That company has not paid its debts back to the taxpayers.


Finally Liebowitz doesnt mention in that clip Fannie and Freddie paying out huge bonuses while asking for more money. Already a couple hundred billion in the hole and they are still not fiscally sound.

I've come to the conclusion you either don't have the ability to process information that doesn't line up perfectly to your warped views currently, or you have some stake in this whole thing beyond this "I'm a taxpayer" bullshit line you try to feed us. I'm being honest here, you seem to have zero understanding of economics, hate toward any form of worker's rights, disdain for the middle class and surely worse for anyone new to the country. I really can't follow the logic of the illogical.

I'm sure there will be a link to a story onAl Sharpton to follow as a rebuttal shortly.

[disneyspy]

i know first hand that micheal moore puts a shitload of his own money to better his community and to say anything bad about him shows true ignorance

[underdog]

20 lies (and counting) told by Gov. Walker (http://filterednews.wordpress.com/2011/03/05/20-lies-and-counting-told-by-gov-walker/)

That's right, an active list of the bullshit (with sources) that we are currently tolerating. In other words, a source for the debunking of all of WrestlingFan's talking points.

I'm sure this will be the time WRESTLINGFAN changes his opinion!

[epo]

I'm sure this will be the time WRESTLINGFAN changes his opinion!

Why would he change now? Facts and science are obviously not important to him.

[disneyspy]

I'm sure this will be the time WRESTLINGFAN changes his opinion!

regressives cant change,theyre born that way

[spoon]

I'm sure this will be the time WRESTLINGFAN changes his opinion!

simple and to the point, yet cracked me up in a big way

even better with just a period though!

[underdog]

Why would he change now? Facts and science are obviously not important to him.

[sarcasm]

simple and to the point, yet cracked me up in a big way

even better with just a period though!

Please don't deconstruct my jokes.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The progressives on this board come out of the woodwork.

I get a kick out of you progressives who believe Liebowitz is a credible person. I completely make points about his fox news fetish and you people try to spin it. Fucking laughable


Some debunking here
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/feb/17/ed-schultz/talk-show-host-ed-schultz-says-wisconsin-state-emp/

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/feb/08/scott-walker/wisconsin-gov-scott-walker-says-state-employees-co/

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/feb/17/afl-cio/wisconsin-afl-cio-says-gov-scott-walkers-budget-re/

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/feb/16/progressive-change-campaign-committee/group-says-gov-scott-walker-threatened-send-out-na/

[underdog]

The progressives on this board come out of the woodwork.

I get a kick out of you progressives who believe Liebowitz is a credible person. I completely make points about his fox news fetish and you people try to spin it. Fucking laughable


Some debunking here
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/feb/17/ed-schultz/talk-show-host-ed-schultz-says-wisconsin-state-emp/

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/feb/08/scott-walker/wisconsin-gov-scott-walker-says-state-employees-co/

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/feb/17/afl-cio/wisconsin-afl-cio-says-gov-scott-walkers-budget-re/

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/feb/16/progressive-change-campaign-committee/group-says-gov-scott-walker-threatened-send-out-na/

http://rtnl.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/thinker21.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

i know first hand that micheal moore puts a shitload of his own money to better his community and to say anything bad about him shows true ignorance

How ignorant of me

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/michael-moore-snubs-union-workers-making-capitalism-love/story?id=8715559

How I dare say anything wrong against a fat PT Barnum with gullible progressive followers



http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/08/moores-lawsuit-opens-him-to-charges-of-hypocrisy/

[WRESTLINGFAN]

regressives cant change,theyre born that way

I should stop calling you people progressives. You are all stuck in the 1930's

[disneyspy]

i find it funny that people with the regressive gene think progressive is a bad word

stupid tards

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I've come to the conclusion you either don't have the ability to process information that doesn't line up perfectly to your warped views currently, or you have some stake in this whole thing beyond this "I'm a taxpayer" bullshit line you try to feed us. I'm being honest here, you seem to have zero understanding of economics, hate toward any form of worker's rights, disdain for the middle class and surely worse for anyone new to the country. I really can't follow the logic of the illogical.

I'm sure there will be a link to a story onAl Sharpton to follow as a rebuttal shortly.

I dont follow the religion of Krugman and the Keynesians. Want to talk economics? Read anything by Henry Hazlett and then we can discuss economics. When it comes to collective bargaining in regards to public sector unions, Taxpayers arent offered a seat at the table. Who hates the middle class? The middle class are the ones being squeezed. It doesnt matter to the rich what happens in Wisconsin and the zero liability voters dont give a fuck. They have no vested interest. What workers rights are being violated? There are civil service guidelines and OSHA laws layered in.


Anyone new to the country? What the fuck does that mean? Are you bitching my oppisition to illegal aliens? Nice try in a pathetic attempt to lump in people who came here the proper way in with the people here to mooch of the taxpayer. Then again thats expected of you

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Progressives in WI standing witht he Firefighers unions.



:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

They are the 1st ones to cry because someone unqualified couldnt pass the test for promotion.


Same thing with the cops.

A cop shoots a minority and immediately they spew racial profiling before anything is reported


I just need a good laugh

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[spoon]

How ignorant of me

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/michael-moore-snubs-union-workers-making-capitalism-love/story?id=8715559

How I dare say anything wrong against a fat PT Barnum with gullible progressive followers



http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/08/moores-lawsuit-opens-him-to-charges-of-hypocrisy/

Did you even read the article? At this point I'm absolutely convinced you only read the headlines when you do searches to pull bs out of your ass. He took a stand here AGAIN to help some people with little voice to be included into the unions. His workers linked to docs have been excluded from their form of union work for some reason and he used his name/brand to help change that. Outside of that he used all union workers and pays due happily to three himself (Writers, Screen Actor and Directors). You zinged him good there WF. Seriously, read a little.

If anything WF, it shows he's just not single minded and will stand up to even his own core beliefs if he believes their foundation has some cracks. Where's the follow up to this article to let us know the conclusion? I'm sure you're leaving that out for a reason, since the article is from 2009.

Oh and I found one of WF's gold mines.

Evil Conservative (WF's Material/Source Well (http://www.evilconservativeonline.com/2011/03/flashback-michael-moore-snubs-union.html)

[disneyspy]

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Did you even read the article? At this point I'm absolutely convinced you only read the headlines when you do searches to pull bs out of your ass. He took a stand here AGAIN to help some people with little voice to be included into the unions. His workers linked to docs have been excluded from their form of union work for some reason and he used his name/brand to help change that. Outside of that he used all union workers and pays due happily to three himself (Writers, Screen Actor and Directors). You zinged him good there WF. Seriously, read a little.

If anything WF, it shows he's just not single minded and will stand up to even his own core beliefs if he believes their foundation has some cracks. Where's the follow up to this article to let us know the conclusion? I'm sure you're leaving that out for a reason, since the article is from 2009.

Oh and I found one of WF's gold mines.

Evil Conservative (WF's Material/Source Well (http://www.evilconservativeonline.com/2011/03/flashback-michael-moore-snubs-union.html)

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[spoon]

I dont follow the religion of Krugman and the Keynesians. Want to talk economics? Read anything by Henry Hazlett and then we can discuss economics. When it comes to collective bargaining in regards to public sector unions, Taxpayers arent offered a seat at the table. Who hates the middle class? The middle class are the ones being squeezed. It doesnt matter to the rich what happens in Wisconsin and the zero liability voters dont give a fuck. They have no vested interest. What workers rights are being violated? There are civil service guidelines and OSHA laws layered in.


Anyone new to the country? What the fuck does that mean? Are you bitching my oppisition to illegal aliens? Nice try in a pathetic attempt to lump in people who came here the proper way in with the people here to mooch of the taxpayer. Then again thats expected of you

Yes those 50k jobs with benefits for the people teaching our children every day are killing the economy, good point. Does the tax payer sit down at the table when subsidies are handed out? That's just such a stupid line it's comical. You really are a parrot of the right.

And DS has a good point on the work progressive, but you might as well throw in liberal as well. To me, I don't lump myself into any set group bc I'll view each issue based on it's own merits or lack there of. I've been against liberal policy in the past, just not as much as those of the right/conservatives.

I love how the right claims the gov is being destroyed by the dems (only in power truly 2 years in cleanup mode) bc of their ties to unions. Yah, that HUGE union presence versus the money of big business and corporations that runs the right. Hell, they're so powerful, the unions were made to help fight BACK for the little man and their reach has surely influenced the left as well with all that money and power (just to a lesser extent).

Still, I just want to see a conservative in a conversation about economics just once not immediately lump in Krugman as if he...oo sorry his religion, was even brought up, or people don't have ideas or didn't that differed from the republicans since way before his time.

[underdog]

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yes those 50k jobs with benefits for the people teaching our children every day are killing the economy, good point. Does the tax payer sit down at the table when subsidies are handed out? That's just such a stupid line it's comical. You really are a parrot of the right.

And DS has a good point on the work progressive, but you might as well throw in liberal as well. To me, I don't lump myself into any set group bc I'll view each issue based on it's own merits or lack there of. I've been against liberal policy in the past, just not as much as those of the right/conservatives.

I love how the right claims the gov is being destroyed by the dems (only in power truly 2 years in cleanup mode) bc of their ties to unions. Yah, that HUGE union presence versus the money of big business and corporations that runs the right. Hell, they're so powerful, the unions were made to help fight BACK for the little man and their reach has surely influenced the left as well with all that money and power (just to a lesser extent).

Still, I just want to see a conservative in a conversation about economics just once not immediately lump in Krugman as if he...oo sorry his religion, was even brought up, or people don't have ideas or didn't that differed from the republicans since way before his time.

Psst. Did you even see that I posted kill the subsidies

In regards to collective bargaining for the public sector youre dealing with other peoples money. If people in the private sector decide to form a union and it ends up damaging the business, the owner can move to another state. Theres no competition when dealing with the government.

Do you even know that federal workers can not collectively bargain?


Do taxpayers have a seat at the table when entitlements are handed out? Especially for people who dont fucking belong here? Want to talk corporations? You act as if the left doesnt whore themselves out to them


Want to talk basic labor economics? What do you think a job is? According to the progressives its digging a hole one day then filling it in the next day


They dont realize that a job in its most basic definition is a demand for labor. Person A purchases that labor from person B who performs a task and is compensated. Saying that jobs can just be created is childish and naive.


Heres Hazlitts Broken window fallacy

-
A young hoodlum, say, heaves a brick through the window of a baker’s shop. The shopkeeper runs out furious, but the boy is gone. A crowd gathers, and begins to stare with quiet satisfaction at the gaping hole in the window and the shattered glass over the bread and pies. After a while the crowd feels the need for philosophic reflection. And several of its members are almost certain to remind each other or the baker that, after all, the misfortune has its bright side. It will make business for some glazier. As they begin to think of this they elaborate upon it. How much does a new plate glass window cost? Two hundred and fifty dollars? That will be quite a sun. After all, if windows were never broken, what would happen to the glass business? Then, of course, the thing is endless. The glazier will have $250 more to spend with other merchants, and these in turn will have $250 more to spend with still other merchants, and so ad infinitum. The smashed window will go on providing money and employment in ever-widening circles. The logical conclusion from all this would be, if the crowd drew it, that the little hoodlum who threw the brick, far from being a public menace, was a public benefactor.
Now let us take another look. The crowd is at least right in its first conclusion. This little act of vandalism will in the first instance mean more business for some glazier. The glazier will be no more unhappy to learn of the incident than an undertaker to learn of a death. But the shopkeeper will be out $250 that he was planning to spend for a new suit. Because he has had to replace the window, he will have to go without the suit (or some equivalent need or luxury). Instead of having a window and $250 he now has merely a window. Or, as he was planning to buy the suit that very afternoon, instead of having both a window and a suit he must be content with the window and no suit. If we think of him as part of the community, the community has lost a new suit that might otherwise have come into being, and is just that much poorer.

The glazier’s gain of business, in short, is merely the tailor’s loss of business. No new “employment” has been added. The people in the crowd were thinking only of two parties to the transaction, the baker and the glazier. They had forgotten the potential third party involved, the tailor. They forgot him precisely because he will not now enter the scene. They will see the new window in the next day or two. They will never see the extra suit, precisely because it will never be made. They see only what is immediately visible to the eye.*

[hanso]

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Here you go WF. Preach On Brother!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

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Here you go WF. Preach On Brother!

Fox News/ Glenn Beck. You progressives are obsessed :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

How cute

[WRESTLINGFAN]

i find it funny that people with the regressive gene think progressive is a bad word

stupid tards

Hows that Social security turning out for you?
Medicare/medicaid
Great society



I could go on but It would take an eternity

[hanso]

Fox News/ Glenn Beck. You progressives are obsessed :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

How cute

Seems like he says what you do in the video.
You must belly up to Geraldo Rivera then.

[disneyspy]

Hows that Social security turning out for you?
Medicare/medicaid
Great society



I could go on but It would take an eternity

sorry corky but i'm not in any of those programs,now play time on the computer is over for you so go to bed like the special little boy you are

tommorow you get to play with clay!!

[disneyspy]

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[epo]

Hows that Social security turning out for you?
Medicare/medicaid
Great society

I could go on but It would take an eternity

They've worked out great. The aged & the weak are no longer defenseless in the world.

Would you rather we turn back the clock to the 1930s?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

They've worked out great. The aged & the weak are no longer defenseless in the world.

Would you rather we turn back the clock to the 1930s?

As with all ponzi schemes they work great when people get in early.

[Syd]

Do taxpayers have a seat at the table when entitlements are handed out? Especially for people who dont fucking belong here? Want to talk corporations? You act as if the left doesnt whore themselves out to them

No, and they're not going to have a seat at the table that Walker is head at when they hand out entitlements to business.

For someone so anti-government, you seem big on having government regulate something they previously haven't (unions)

[spoon]

Yes those 50k jobs with benefits for the people teaching our children every day are killing the economy, good point. Does the tax payer sit down at the table when subsidies are handed out? Yes I caught your subsidies argument, but this point goes beyond if you believe in them, it tackles how they are arranged by the government w/o tax payers at the table. We surely aren't at the table in military contract negotiations or when they are passing out gov contracts to their friends (BOTH PARTIES)That's just such a stupid line it's comical. You really are a parrot of the right.

And DS has a good point on the work progressive, but you might as well throw in liberal as well. To me, I don't lump myself into any set group bc I'll view each issue based on it's own merits or lack there of. I've been against liberal policy in the past, just not as much as those of the right/conservatives.

I love how the right claims the gov is being destroyed by the dems (only in power truly 2 years in cleanup mode) bc of their ties to unions. Yah, that HUGE union presence versus the money of big business and corporations that runs the right. Hell, they're so powerful, the unions were made to help fight BACK for the little man and their reach has surely influenced the left as well with all that money and power (just to a lesser extent).

Did you miss this, or just ignore it to make yet another invalid point?

Still, I just want to see a conservative in a conversation about economics just once not immediately lump in Krugman as if he...oo sorry his religion, was even brought up, or people don't have ideas or didn't that differed from the republicans since way before his time.

Psst. Did you even see that I posted kill the subsidies

In regards to collective bargaining for the public sector youre dealing with other peoples money. If people in the private sector decide to form a union and it ends up damaging the business, the owner can move to another state. Theres no competition when dealing with the government.

Do you even know that federal workers can not collectively bargain?


Do taxpayers have a seat at the table when entitlements are handed out? Especially for people who dont fucking belong here? Want to talk corporations? You act as if the left doesnt whore themselves out to them

Go back and read the bolded fucking part of my post. You can't be this slow.

Want to talk basic labor economics? What do you think a job is? According to the progressives its digging a hole one day then filling it in the next day

Progressives say this huh? Ok sure thing.

They dont realize that a job in its most basic definition is a demand for labor. Person A purchases that labor from person B who performs a task and is compensated. Saying that jobs can just be created is childish and naive.


Heres Hazlitts Broken window fallacy

-
A young hoodlum, say, heaves a brick through the window of a baker’s shop. The shopkeeper runs out furious, but the boy is gone. A crowd gathers, and begins to stare with quiet satisfaction at the gaping hole in the window and the shattered glass over the bread and pies. After a while the crowd feels the need for philosophic reflection. And several of its members are almost certain to remind each other or the baker that, after all, the misfortune has its bright side. It will make business for some glazier. As they begin to think of this they elaborate upon it. How much does a new plate glass window cost? Two hundred and fifty dollars? That will be quite a sun. After all, if windows were never broken, what would happen to the glass business? Then, of course, the thing is endless. The glazier will have $250 more to spend with other merchants, and these in turn will have $250 more to spend with still other merchants, and so ad infinitum. The smashed window will go on providing money and employment in ever-widening circles. The logical conclusion from all this would be, if the crowd drew it, that the little hoodlum who threw the brick, far from being a public menace, was a public benefactor.
Now let us take another look. The crowd is at least right in its first conclusion. This little act of vandalism will in the first instance mean more business for some glazier. The glazier will be no more unhappy to learn of the incident than an undertaker to learn of a death. But the shopkeeper will be out $250 that he was planning to spend for a new suit. Because he has had to replace the window, he will have to go without the suit (or some equivalent need or luxury). Instead of having a window and $250 he now has merely a window. Or, as he was planning to buy the suit that very afternoon, instead of having both a window and a suit he must be content with the window and no suit. If we think of him as part of the community, the community has lost a new suit that might otherwise have come into being, and is just that much poorer.

The glazier’s gain of business, in short, is merely the tailor’s loss of business. No new “employment” has been added. The people in the crowd were thinking only of two parties to the transaction, the baker and the glazier. They had forgotten the potential third party involved, the tailor. They forgot him precisely because he will not now enter the scene. They will see the new window in the next day or two. They will never see the extra suit, precisely because it will never be made. They see only what is immediately visible to the eye.*

Read the read in both quotes above...CAREFULLY AND SLOWLY.

Oh and your economic lesson, trite at best. If you're looking to convince anyone of Hazlitts's genius in economics, be prepared for failure.

[spoon]

Fox News/ Glenn Beck. You progressives are obsessed :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

How cute

It is cute how you parrot everything he says as you're told.

Got to run and fill a hole I just dug. Good talk.

[spoon]

Progressives in WI standing witht he Firefighers unions.



:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

They are the 1st ones to cry because someone unqualified couldnt pass the test for promotion.


Same thing with the cops.

A cop shoots a minority and immediately they spew racial profiling before anything is reported


I just need a good laugh

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He's right, hippie drum circles suck and they are trying to use yet another tragedy to roll back years of advancement for the middle class. So yah, good laugh indeed.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It is cute how you parrot everything he says as you're told.

Got to run and fill a hole I just dug. Good talk.

Just be sure some union slob doesnt see you filling that hole. He might go apeshit.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He's right, hippie drum circles suck and they are trying to use yet another tragedy to roll back years of advancement for the middle class. So yah, good laugh indeed.

Yea its a good laugh when he's the 1st one to cry out police brutality. He wants Mumia Freed not Fried

[WRESTLINGFAN]

[QUOTE=spoon;2827995]Read the read in both quotes above...CAREFULLY AND SLOWLY.

Oh and your economic lesson, trite at best. If you're looking to convince anyone of Hazlitts's genius in economics, be prepared for failure.[/QUOTE

Yea that Keynesian school of structural debt and deficits is really going to make me switch over

[spoon]

Read the read in both quotes above...CAREFULLY AND SLOWLY.

Oh and your economic lesson, trite at best. If you're looking to convince anyone of Hazlitts's genius in economics, be prepared for failure.

Yea that Keynesian school of structural debt and deficits is really going to make me switch over

How about it's not so cut and dry either way?

[spoon]

Here you go WF, a quick lesson on politics. This will surely help you out.

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[A.J.]

Here you go WF, a quick lesson on politics. This will surely help you out.

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Now when the teabaggers were opposing Obamacare at the townhalls in 2009 The dops in the media called them violent. A union slob interrupts and theres silence from Matthews, Schultz, Couric et al.

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[Barnaby Jones]

Typical regressive lies!!!

[disneyspy]

Typical regressive lies!!!

you know regressive means retarded,right?

[Barnaby Jones]

Shhhhhhhh!!!

[disneyspy]

retards arent liars,they just say retarded stuff

cuz they're retards

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ogUTdeGOPaA/Sy9ByQiKIeI/AAAAAAAABOA/Tk_tzLNaWfI/S660/lemmings.gif

[Drew85]

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-exposes-the-lavish-lifestyle-of-the-american-public-school-teacher/

[Dude!]

Now when the teabaggers were opposing Obamacare at the townhalls in 2009 The dops in the media called them violent. A union slob interrupts and theres silence from Matthews, Schultz, Couric et al.

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those fat sub-human thugs
are what teach the children
of wisconsin??
no wonder epo has to struggle
so hard with the basics

seriously, how many
gabby giffords will it take
until these dreadful ape-thugs
are satisfied?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

FUTURE WISCONSIN TEACHER


http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll165/Motivational_Behemoth/poster88438444.jpg

[spoon]

ok, talking to you is just worthless at this point

the level of discourse is perpetually in the ground

disagreements are fine, but man it gets old reading your posts like that above

[Syd]

if there's a constant with Libertarians or those with leanings it is that they live such a sheltered life that they believe they're the exception, not the rule. In the real world, WF would find out he's quite common and not the phenomenal worker, mind, etc that he is in his head.

[underdog]

ok, talking to you is just worthless at this point

the level of discourse is perpetually in the ground

disagreements are fine, but man it gets old reading your posts like that above

At this point?!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

if there's a constant with Libertarians or those with leanings it is that they live such a sheltered life that they believe they're the exception, not the rule. In the real world, WF would find out he's quite common and not the phenomenal worker, mind, etc that he is in his head.

I can negotiate my own salary, I got my promotions on merit not because I am there longer than anyone.


The ones that are sheltered are the public unions.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

ok, talking to you is just worthless at this point

the level of discourse is perpetually in the ground

disagreements are fine, but man it gets old reading your posts like that above

And what about all the mocking of the teabaggers, You were fine with that ?


Pointing out people with signs that say get a brain morans and mocking them is ok (I happen to agree with making fun of them)

[Barnaby Jones]

I got my promotions on merit

Typical regressive lies!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Typical regressive lies!!!

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[hanso]

Now when the teabaggers were opposing Obamacare at the townhalls in 2009

The dops in the media called them violent. A union slob interrupts and theres silence from Matthews, Schultz, Couric et al.



Now when the teabaggers were opposing Obamacare at the townhalls in 2009

Everytime ^

The dops in the media called them violent. A union slob interrupts and theres silence from Matthews, Schultz, Couric et al.

Maybe once? ^ And how about the rightwing slobs that interrupt Obama on the floor doing work?

[epo]

Shit just went bad again this afternoon. Welcome Wisconsin back to page 1 of your local paper.

[Dude!]

The first step toward
saving the country
has just been taken

GOD BLESS SCOTT WALKER!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Since the progressives won't say it.....



YOU LIE!!!!!


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FUCKING RUBES!!!!!


You were pimped out by Obama and his handlers. He does not give a fuck about you. Its Wed night and that means its party night at 1600 Penn. Ave. Hes chowing down on Wagyu steaks and you are not on his mind.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The first step toward
saving the country
has just been taken

GOD BLESS SCOTT WALKER!

Who woulda thought ??? a fat guy from a tiny blue state next to NY started this :clap:

[Dude!]

Who woulda thought ??? a fat guy from a tiny blue state next to NY started this :clap:

this is so wonderful
it's like a rebirth....
1775 redux
Christie as Paul Revere
and Walker as Sam Adams

God Bless the Tea Party
old and new!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Walker showed a set of brass ones tonight. Kudos to him.

These unions want war, fine. I hope Walker PATCO's their asses

[Dude!]

Walker showed a set of brass ones tonight. Kudos to him.

These unions want war, fine. I hope Walker PATCO's their asses

their FAT asses

[epo]

We shall recall their Senators, we shall recall their Governor and this state will never vote for the GOP again.

[Furtherman]

Yep. They blew it. Not that they had a chance in the first place.

[Dude!]

We shall recall their Senators, we shall recall their Governor and this state will never vote for the GOP again.

and Feingold will win
by, what was it...7 points?

[Pitdoc]

They're doing all this scorched earth shit at the BEGINNING of their terms, counting on the sad fact that most of the electorate have the memory of goldfish, and will forget about it come the next election .Walker's not up for re-election till 2014, right ?

[hanso]

We shall recall their Senators, we shall recall their Governor and this state will never vote for the GOP again.

Maybe a strike also.

This is going on in most/all states in which they were voted in. My state ranks near the bottom in eductaion. K-12 funding is being cut 2/3's.

These lying 2 faced sob's say they want better education for our country to bring standards up to the rest of the world. Then make cuts to it first thing in office.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

They're doing all this scorched earth shit at the BEGINNING of their terms, counting on the sad fact that most of the electorate have the memory of goldfish, and will forget about it come the next election .Walker's not up for re-election till 2014, right ?

He can bel recalled. I think WI law requires he has to be in office 1 yr before that and 500K signatures are needed

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Michael Moore is calling for kids to walk out of school at 2pm on Friday.


Lets see how many will be marching in solidarity. Most will be at the food court :lol::lol:

[sailor]

We shall recall their Senators, we shall recall their Governor and this state will never vote for the GOP again.

Likely.

[KnoxHarrington]

Maybe a strike also.

This is going on in most/all states in which they were voted in. My state ranks near the bottom in eductaion. K-12 funding is being cut 2/3's.

These lying 2 faced sob's say they want better education for our country to bring standards up to the rest of the world. Then make cuts to it first thing in office.

Let's be very clear what this anti-union push is all about: Republicans recognize that unions are among the most powerful organizers for the Democratic Party, so they must be weakened, if not destroyed outright. This is not about "budgets" or "deficits." It's a total and complete power grab, a move to further marginalize their opposition.

And dumbasses like the Teabaggers cheer it on, fucking themselves over to feel like they "won".

[sailor]

You're right, everyone with a different opinion from you is an idiot.

[underdog]

You're right, everyone with a different opinion from you is an idiot.

I don't think he thinks everyone with a different opinion from him is an idiot, I think he thinks a specific group of people are idiots.

[Furtherman]

Let's be very clear what this anti-union push is all about: Republicans recognize that unions are among the most powerful organizers for the Democratic Party, so they must be weakened, if not destroyed outright. This is not about "budgets" or "deficits." It's a total and complete power grab, a move to further marginalize their opposition.

And dumbasses like the Teabaggers cheer it on, fucking themselves over to feel like they "won".

This is exactly what is happening.

[El Mudo]

I don't think he thinks everyone with a different opinion from him is an idiot, I think he thinks a specific group of people are idiots.

Especially when they bitch about Government spending, and live off Medicare (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/matt-taibbi-on-the-tea-party-20100928)

[Jujubees2]

Especially when they bitch about Government spending, and live off Medicare (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/matt-taibbi-on-the-tea-party-20100928)

Good catch El Mundo

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Especially when they bitch about Government spending, and live off Medicare (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/matt-taibbi-on-the-tea-party-20100928)

IMHO Medicare is nothing but a ponzi scheme. Same thing with S/S. It shouldnt be mandatory.


S/S shouldnt be a primary source of income anyways.

baggers do have a point to a degree regarding this. When their earnings were taken from them in the form of taxation and they worked 40+ years and contributed tons of money They do have the right to demand that they receive payout for their forced contributions.

[Barnaby Jones]

IMHO

Typical regressive oxymoron!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Typical regressive oxymoron!!!

I hope you catch freezerburn

[underdog]

Especially when they bitch about Government spending, and live off Medicare (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/matt-taibbi-on-the-tea-party-20100928)

When they were discussing a viable 3rd party the other day on the show, it irritated me that Ron actually thought the Tea Party was an actual 3rd party. It's just an extension of the Republican party, fueled by republican money. They're just being used.

And listening to Blowhard compare the Tea Party to moveon.org was fucking hilarious. I can't seem to remember any moveon.org candidates winning elections or actually being a party affiliation.

[sailor]

I don't think he thinks everyone with a different opinion from him is an idiot, I think he thinks a specific group of people are idiots.

Maybe, but I KNOW that's how furtherman meant it!

[Furtherman]

Maybe, but I KNOW that's how furtherman meant it!

Meant what? What Knox said? Yea, that's what's happening. I haven't disregarded anyone's opinion.

[sailor]

Meant what? What Knox said? Yea, that's what's happening. I haven't disregarded anyone's opinion.

Nevermind.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

These arent teabaggers saying this.

http://www.620wtmj.com/shows/charliesykes/117726263.html?blog=y


How soon we forget about civility. We have failed her


http://www.onlineusanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Gabrielle-Giffords.jpg

[Furtherman]

Nevermind.

Oh that's right, I wouldn't understand.

Elitist.

[underdog]

These arent teabaggers saying this.

http://www.620wtmj.com/shows/charliesykes/117726263.html?blog=y


How soon we forget about civility. We have failed her


http://www.onlineusanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Gabrielle-Giffords.jpg

Exactly.

[Jujubees2]

We shall recall their Senators, we shall recall their Governor and this state will never vote for the GOP again.

Are we talking a

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[foodcourtdruide]

These arent teabaggers saying this.

http://www.620wtmj.com/shows/charliesykes/117726263.html?blog=y


How soon we forget about civility. We have failed her


http://www.onlineusanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Gabrielle-Giffords.jpg

Yes, WF. Everyone on here claimed that never in history has someone on the left-side of an issue made a death threat.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The horrors of collective bargaining by the public sector thugs


http://www.benzinga.com/11/03/918886/examples-of-collective-bargaining-abuse

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yes, WF. Everyone on here claimed that never in history has someone on the left-side of an issue made a death threat.

I didnt accuse anyone here of that. Just saying where is the media on this? Where is Chris Matthews calling for civility? Like what happened after Tucson


They went viral after John lewis claimed someone called him the N word when Obamacare was about to get passed but there was no evidence.

Heres more tolerance by progressives.


http://www.620wtmj.com/shows/charliesykes/117764594.html

[Dude!]

I didnt accuse anyone here of that. Just saying where is the media on this? Where is Chris Matthews calling for civility? Like what happened after Tucson


They went viral after John lewis claimed someone called him the N word when Obamacare was about to get passed but there was no evidence.

Heres more tolerance by progressives.


http://www.620wtmj.com/shows/charliesykes/117764594.html

gawd, what hideously awful
sub-humans they are

i hope an 8.9 earthquake
hits the left-parts of wisconsin
followed by a tsunami of aids

[epo]

I didnt accuse anyone here of that. Just saying where is the media on this? Where is Chris Matthews calling for civility? Like what happened after Tucson


They went viral after John lewis claimed someone called him the N word when Obamacare was about to get passed but there was no evidence.

Heres more tolerance by progressives.


http://www.620wtmj.com/shows/charliesykes/117764594.html

Whoever did them is a nut. That being said, I've seen a few of these documents and they look VERY suspicious....like right-wing plants to claim the "victim" card.

[underdog]

Whoever did them is a nut. That being said, I've seen a few of these documents and they look VERY suspicious....like right-wing plants to claim the "victim" card.

Stop engaging him.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

gawd, what hideously awful
sub-humans they are

i hope an 8.9 earthquake
hits the left-parts of wisconsin
followed by a tsunami of aids

Epo will just blame it on the Jews

[WRESTLINGFAN]

From the article.


WE WILL HUNT YOU DOWN.
WE WILL SLIT YOUR THROATS.
WE WILL DRINK YOUR BLOOD.
I WILL HAVE YOUR DECAPITATED HEAD ON A PIKE IN THE MADISON TOWN SQUARE.
THIS IS YOUR LAST WARNING.


I hope Lara Logan stays out of WI. Imagine if they see a thin attractive woman there? The union slobs will make the Muzzies in Cairo look like amateurs.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

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[Dan 'Hampton]

I don't view your links because they all look like Russian porn site addresses.

[hanso]

Every tea party backed Rep. Gov. is making the same cuts to ED. There was a Gov. meeting before hand.

[hanso]

In an interview with The Associated Press, Walker said once the public sees government becoming more efficient, support for the changes will increase.

"What we're doing here, I think, is progressive. It's innovative. It's reform that leads the country, and we're showing there's a better way by sharing in that sacrifice with all of us in government," he said.



Call him out WF. It's your word of the day/week/month....

[KnoxHarrington]

Whoever did them is a nut. That being said, I've seen a few of these documents and they look VERY suspicious....like right-wing plants to claim the "victim" card.

Let's, for the sake of argument, grant that these are legitimate death threats. What does it prove? You've got one random nutbar sending this shit out, which could happen at any time. Meanwhile, the Right has sitting members of Congress who can't seem to discuss political matters without falling into rhetoric that invokes violent imagery. Not to mention very highly-visible media figures who similarly speak in those war-like, violent terms.

No fucking comparison at all. None.

[Dude!]

Let's, for the sake of argument, grant that these are legitimate death threats. What does it prove? You've got one random nutbar sending this shit out, which could happen at any time. Meanwhile, the Right has sitting members of Congress who can't seem to discuss political matters without falling into rhetoric that invokes violent imagery. Not to mention very highly-visible media figures who similarly speak in those war-like, violent terms.

No fucking comparison at all. None.

people like you have
gabby gifford's blood
on your hands and her
brain cells splattered
on your shirts

how do you live with yourself?

[epo]

Let's, for the sake of argument, grant that these are legitimate death threats. What does it prove? You've got one random nutbar sending this shit out, which could happen at any time. Meanwhile, the Right has sitting members of Congress who can't seem to discuss political matters without falling into rhetoric that invokes violent imagery. Not to mention very highly-visible media figures who similarly speak in those war-like, violent terms.

No fucking comparison at all. None.

It seems to have been a lone nutbar.

But let's say this: while nobody deserves to be threatened, to be involved in politics these days you should expect to deal with some loons.

The last 2 years as a democratic county chair, I have tolerated more harassing emails & phone calls than anyone should have to. When the national health care reform bill passed, I received a threatening phone call at my home. It's sad, but it's part of the deal.

It should have never happened to those republican senators from that lunatic, but it's part of the environment (and an environment their media helped to create). But to cry about it in the media is nothing more than theatre.

[Dude!]

The last 2 years as a democratic county chair, I have tolerated more harassing emails & phone calls than anyone should have to. When the national health care reform bill passed, I received a threatening phone call at my home.

what's your phone number?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Let's, for the sake of argument, grant that these are legitimate death threats. What does it prove? You've got one random nutbar sending this shit out, which could happen at any time. Meanwhile, the Right has sitting members of Congress who can't seem to discuss political matters without falling into rhetoric that invokes violent imagery. Not to mention very highly-visible media figures who similarly speak in those war-like, violent terms.

No fucking comparison at all. None.

YES THERE ARE PLAIN AND FUCKING SIMPLE!!!!


Quit dancing around the topic, your side has nutbars just as well. Listen to Ed Schultz and especially Mike Malloy enough of the same tired line that hes not as famous as The Beckster or Limbaugh, Frances Fox Piven called for violent revolution. Youre saying that if psycho talk doesnt come from a politician it isn't as important?




Hell Jesse Jackson wanted to castrate then Senator Obama 3 years ago. Reverends arent supposed to act violent


Violence comes from the left too

[epo]

Back on topic: there will be a major protest in Madison, which will probably be the biggest of all the protests. Citizens from the farm community will join us (on tractors) in marching. Also the 14 Hero Democratic Senators will march and speak to the massive crowd.

After this we will turn all of our efforts to the recalls. I predict we will remove 2 to 4 of the GOP Senators via the process. Next January we remove the Governor thru the same process.

[Dude!]

Citizens from the farm community will join us (on tractors) in marching..

you should send in
thugs on camels

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I hope the WI state troopers will be there to arrest the fleebagger 14 and "march" them thru

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Farm Conmunity?

Progressives love to shit all over the hayseeds they mock but will use them to suit their needs. Same thing with the clergy. When it comes to using them as rent a mobs they all of a sudden find Jesus

[WRESTLINGFAN]

you should send in
thugs on camels



Strong camels will be needed to carry the thug slobs like Dick Trumka, Michael Moore and Ed Schultz

[disneyspy]

Strong camels will be needed to carry the thug slobs like Dick Trumka, Michael Moore and Ed Schultz

i've been somewhat following this on ispy but your comments on micheal moore are so fucking retarded that i have to post in this thread,which disgusts me,you should be banned for being such a slanderous idiot but i understand they dont ban people here for being regressive.

micheal moore is way more of good american than you will ever be and gives more back to the community in a year than you will in your sad pitiful regressive life

[WRESTLINGFAN]

i've been somewhat following this on ispy but your comments on micheal moore are so fucking retarded that i have to post in this thread,which disgusts me,you should be banned for being such a slanderous idiot but i understand they dont ban people here for being regressive.

micheal moore is way more of good american than you will ever be and gives more back to the community in a year than you will in your sad pitiful regressive life

The same Michael Moore who uses half truths and deceptions for his propaganda films. The same Moore who shits on Capitalism who makes a ton of money thanks to capitalism? I am not rich like Moore so whatever I give to charity isn't as much.


You want to ban me because I criticize Moore? How childish and Pathetic.

[disneyspy]

The same Michael Moore who uses half truths and deceptions for his propaganda films. The same Moore who shits on Capitalism who makes a ton of money thanks to capitalism? I am not rich like Moore so whatever I give to charity isn't as much.


You want to ban me because I criticize Moore? How childish and Pathetic.

lets get back to you,regressive,why do think its ok to post shit about someone who you obviously know nothing about? is it because you lead such a pitiful sad regressive life that the only way you feel you can lash out is by posting the same inane libelous dreck on a messageboard day after day?

youre fucking pathetic and i know i should feel pity for your issue filled non fulling life but i'm tired of your regressive attacks on someone who gives tons of time to his community and millions of dollars


why dont you go to a 12 step program to better yourself,you need it you insect

[WRESTLINGFAN]

[QUOTE=disneyspy;2830487]i've been somewhat following this on ispy but your comments on micheal moore are so fucking retarded that i have to post in this thread,which disgusts me,you should be banned for being such a slanderous idiot but i understand they dont ban people here for being regressive.

micheal moore is way more of good american than you will ever be and gives more back to the community in a year than you will in your sad pitiful regressive


I'm going to start a new thread later exposing your hero later. Yes that fat fraud Michael Moore. Your hero isn't the Saint you portray him to be . Are you going to bitch and complain to get me banned?

That's how a lot of you progressives are. Someone has a counterpoint and you move to silence them

[disneyspy]

first of all regressive,learn how to quote and quit trying to change the subject ,why are you such a little bitch behind your keyboard?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

lets get back to you,regressive,why do think its ok to post shit about someone who you obviously know nothing about? is it because you lead such a pitiful sad regressive life that the only way you feel you can lash out is by posting the same inane libelous dreck on a messageboard day after day?

youre fucking pathetic and i know i should feel pity for your issue filled non fulling life but i'm tired of your regressive attacks on someone who gives tons of time to his community and millions of dollars


why dont you go to a 12 step program to better yourself,you need it you insect

If I made Moores money I would contribute more. Get it?


Moore is someone who makes millions spreading propaganda. In some ways he's like Glenn Beck

[Donnie Iris]

Ok, here's what needs to happen: NO ONE REPLY TO ANY OF THESE THREADS OR POSTS

It's like the Roepers, the attention is what is craved and in turn creates some sort of "relevance" to the drivel. I think a thread filled with these continuous rants with no responses whatsoever would be a much better indication of their lack of reason and/or sense.

That's all.

[disneyspy]

If I made Moores money I would contribute more. Get it?


Moore is someone who makes millions spreading propaganda. In some ways he's like Glenn Beck

you really should take a deep inventory of yourself and try to change your pathetic life

[disneyspy]

Ok, here's what needs to happen: NO ONE REPLY TO ANY OF THESE THREADS OR POSTS

It's like the Roepers, the attention is what is craved and in turn creates some sort of "relevance" to the drivel. I think a thread filled with these continuous rants with no responses whatsoever would be a much better indication of their lack of reason and/or sense.

That's all.

i'm trying to help him becuase his regressive posts are a cry for help

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm pointing out that Moore isn't as genuine as people think and all of a sudden Disney goes apeshit as if I kicked a kitten

[disneyspy]

I'm pointing out that Moore isn't as genuine as people think and all of a sudden Disney goes apeshit as if I kicked a kitten

i know micheal moore,we volunteer our time for alot of the same organizations,we've listened to the ron and fez show together and i've had many oppurtunities to find out his views on things,when i see someone kicking him,i'm going to speak up

[underdog]

Ok, here's what needs to happen: NO ONE REPLY TO ANY OF THESE THREADS OR POSTS

It's like the Roepers, the attention is what is craved and in turn creates some sort of "relevance" to the drivel. I think a thread filled with these continuous rants with no responses whatsoever would be a much better indication of their lack of reason and/or sense.

That's all.

While I agree, he will continue posting random links with unfunny one liners attached to them. The number of posts of his that no one has replied to is amazing, but he keeps going.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

While I agree, he will continue posting random links with unfunny one liners attached to them. The number of posts of his that no one has replied to is amazing, but he keeps going.

There are also a ton of people who do reply and give a counterpoint. Want to talk about words and one liners? How about when Rube, teabagger and Hayseed gets thrown around here.


The phony outrage over this always shows up here. I offer a different opinion and view with many people here. I dont expect anyone who disagrees with me to change their views but at the same time, everyone here shouldnt have the same political philosophy.

I dont believe that someone paying more for income taxes is a bad thing, However Where my disagreement is with a lot of people here is that 250K shouldnt be the threshold. Im open to some ideas of the left but the arbitrary numbers like 250K for example, you lose me on that.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

i know micheal moore,we volunteer our time for alot of the same organizations,we've listened to the ron and fez show together and i've had many oppurtunities to find out his views on things,when i see someone kicking him,i'm going to speak up

If Moore volunteers his time and gives his own money to Charities he prefers then I don't have a problem with that. I am just pointing out that his films are not 100% accurate, there is a lot of editing and half truths. and while he may campaign against capitalism, this system has made him very successful. If he was to need major surgery, even though I dont know him personally I would believe that he would go to the finest facilities in this country and not somewhere else.

[underdog]

There are also a ton of people who do reply and give a counterpoint. Want to talk about words and one liners? How about when Rube, teabagger and Hayseed gets thrown around here.


The phony outrage over this always shows up here. I offer a different opinion and view with many people here. I dont expect anyone who disagrees with me to change their views but at the same time, everyone here shouldnt have the same political philosophy.

I dont believe that someone paying more for income taxes is a bad thing, However Where my disagreement is with a lot of people here is that 250K shouldnt be the threshold. Im open to some ideas of the left but the arbitrary numbers like 250K for example, you lose me on that.

People consistently try to have an intelligent discussion with you, and you revert to stupid one liners, stupid nicknames or just completely change the discussion and not answer the questions. No matter how many facts and information is laid out to you, you continue your stupid, wrong position.

Your reply to my comment is the perfect example. You wrote three paragraphs that had NOTHING to do with what I posted. You apparently have a severe mental defect.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

People consistently try to have an intelligent discussion with you, and you revert to stupid one liners, stupid nicknames or just completely change the discussion and not answer the questions. No matter how many facts and information is laid out to you, you continue your stupid, wrong position.

Your reply to my comment is the perfect example. You wrote three paragraphs that had NOTHING to do with what I posted. You apparently have a severe mental defect.

There you go with the insults and cheap comments. Thats your schtick, fine. However I addressed everything you said.

My opposition for collective bargaining for public sector workers might be stupid and wrong to you but not to everyone

I lay out the facts and its ridiculed by you. You always try to spin things to make yourself look superior but its not working with me.

Want to talk facts? Heres an example

People here say that GM is posting a profit, when I point out they are not and they are using phony accounting , still it gets ridiculed.


I am not perfect, I posted a few things that were debunked like the Obama 2 billion a dollar a day trip to India I manned up and said I was wrong .

If you want to use cheap insults and phrases go ahead I'm immune to it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Back on topic: there will be a major protest in Madison, which will probably be the biggest of all the protests. Citizens from the farm community will join us (on tractors) in marching. Also the 14 Hero Democratic Senators will march and speak to the massive crowd.

After this we will turn all of our efforts to the recalls. I predict we will remove 2 to 4 of the GOP Senators via the process. Next January we remove the Governor thru the same process.

You will get your chance to recall walker in 2012.


Whats the process for legislative members?

Saying that, If thats what the people want, then go thru the democratic process to recall however fleeing a state isnt part of the democratic (small d) process

[WRESTLINGFAN]

People consistently try to have an intelligent discussion with you, and you revert to stupid one liners, stupid nicknames or just completely change the discussion and not answer the questions. No matter how many facts and information is laid out to you, you continue your stupid, wrong position.

Your reply to my comment is the perfect example. You wrote three paragraphs that had NOTHING to do with what I posted. You apparently have a severe mental defect.

A mental defect is staying in the US for a 2nd Bush term but leaving for Canada when Obama is in office

[hanso]

There you go with the insults and cheap comments. Thats your schtick, fine. However I addressed everything you said.

My opposition for collective bargaining for public sector workers might be stupid and wrong to you but not to everyone

I lay out the facts and its ridiculed by you. You always try to spin things to make yourself look superior but its not working with me.

Want to talk facts? Heres an example

People here say that GM is posting a profit, when I point out they are not and they are using phony accounting , still it gets ridiculed.


I am not perfect, I posted a few things that were debunked like the Obama 2 billion a dollar a day trip to India I manned up and said I was wrong .

If you want to use cheap insults and phrases go ahead I'm immune to it.

Give an example. And explain how huge upswings in car sales have been faked.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Give an example. And explain how huge upswings in car sales have been faked.

Dont expect a dividend check anytime soon.


http://www.businessinsider.com/gm-ipo-taxpayers-break-even-2010-9

GM CLOSE OF BUSINESS 3/4/11

Last Trade: 32.39
Trade Time: Mar 4
Change: 0.64 (1.94%)
Prev Close: 33.03
Open: 33.07
Bid: 32.03 x 100
Ask: 32.41 x 300
1y Target Est: 43.70





Heres another one that has to be laughed at

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Remember Ed Whitaker GMs CEO saying it paid back its loan in full & ahead of schedule? That was a lie.




http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/apr/27/ed-whitacre/ceo-says-gm-has-repaid-government-loans-full/

In a nutshell

GM Gets a 50 billion bailout from TARP funds. The gov't got a majority stake of GM stock. Part of the bailout was a 6.7 straightup loan and another part was loan for an escrow acct for working capital. That 6.7 Billion loan was paid from the escrow acct.


Since the bondholders were fucked out of their money, those waived interest payments are a factor in the so called profit.

[hanso]

Politifact is right wing.

Is that a stock trade closing for one day?


The % is in the twentys now. They have been paying it down as they go.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Politifact is right wing.

Is that a stock trade closing for one day?


The % is in the twentys now. They have been paying it down as they go.

Think of GM as the kid who gets $20 from his father to buy his mom a cheap Christmas trinket. He spends $ 5 and keeps the rest. Thats GM.


Heres Friday's 3/11/11 Closing quote

Last Trade: 31.93
Trade Time: Mar 11
Change: 0.51 (1.62%)
Prev Close: 31.42
Open: 31.25
Bid: 31.72 x 3000
Ask: 37.96 x 3000
1y Target Est: 43.70


If Gas keeps going up, their sales of Yukons, Suburbans, Escalades will plummet even more. The volt is a dud. However I am curious how they will sell going forward since the mideast crisis . Good possibility volt sales will rise, however the Prius is a superior product . but there will be no profit any time soon.

[epo]

Just got back from Madison. Over 150k protesting today.

[Syd]

If Gas keeps going up, their sales of Yukons, Suburbans, Escalades will plummet even more. The volt is a dud. However I am curious how they will sell going forward since the mideast crisis . Good possibility volt sales will rise, however the Prius is a superior product . but there will be no profit any time soon.

Superior product is rather nebulous. For you, since the Prius is built in a socialist-esque country full of non-whites means it is superior. It isn't for me.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Toyota is superior to GM. So is my Acura. Built in the United States Better quality, exquisite looking car both in and out and built by non UAW workers

[Dude!]

Just got back from Madison. Over 150k protesting today.

Too late

you lost