Communism in USA yes or no?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Its a hypothetical situation and the constitution would have to be voided & done over via article V convention.

Im not talking about what the AM Radio talkers spout out when talking about Obama and the dang librulz. I mean real Communism

There have been arguements that communism has not worked in countries like the former USSR because it was not practiced to the T. Sure everyone would be equal and there would be job security, equality, but would it be better than our system today? Would there be a complete end to greed? I dont think there will be. By nature man is greedy in some ways.

Here are the 10 Pillars of Communism. There is nothing about freedom of press, religion. Private property rights are taken away. So in my opinion it can never work in this country


1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

[A.J.]

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[Dudeman]

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Joe called, he wants his shtick back
http://yeolderoyleblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/political-pictures-joe-mccarthy-witchhunts-always-easier-than-addressing-real-issues.jpg

[Furtherman]

http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/political-pictures-greenpeace-communist-russia.jpg

[El Mudo]

I'm completely in favor of anything that makes you angry

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm completely in favor of anything that makes you angry

Whats yours is mine then!!!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://www.mts.net/~hooch/images/dumbest_thread_ever.jpg


Joe called, he wants his shtick back
http://yeolderoyleblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/political-pictures-joe-mccarthy-witchhunts-always-easier-than-addressing-real-issues.jpg

Address the issue then!!!!!!


COWARD!!!

[Furtherman]

Do you see how no one takes you seriously?


Don't feel the troll people, he'll go away.

[brettmojo]

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Do you see how no one takes you seriously?


Don't feel the troll people, he'll go away.

You cant even give a good arguement for or against.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Don't feel the troll people, he'll go away.

Dont tell me what you and dudeman do to each other

[Syd]

Communism doesn't work because it is highly idealized. Invariably it is corrupted and the leaders become more important than the revolution and eventually betray the principles.

There's no legitimately successful communist state and likely never will be. Fine idea in theory, but in practice you have people like Lenin or Mao or Kim or Castro who fuck it all up.

[underdog]

Do you see how no one takes you seriously?


Don't feel the troll people, he'll go away.

No, he won't. He'll just continue posting links with witty one liners underneath it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No, he won't. He'll just continue posting links with witty one liners underneath it.

Please stay in Canada.


Like no one ever posted a link here.

At least Syd who disagrees with me on almost everything gives his views on issues and isnt condescending.

If you dont want to debate on issues and topics just say it already

[Misteriosa]

No, he won't. He'll just continue posting links with witty one liners underneath it.

you called his one-liners witty!

http://feedthecats.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/the-simpsons-nelson.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

you called his one-liners witty!

http://feedthecats.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/the-simpsons-nelson.jpg

I do appreciate his compliment.

[Dude!]

At least Syd who disagrees with me on almost everything gives his views on issues and isnt condescending.

Syd is the only one of
those people with a brain

[underdog]

Please stay in Canada.

I'm moving to NYC in 2 months.

If you dont want to debate on issues and topics just say it already

I don't want to debate or stay on topic. I thought that was pretty obvious.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm moving to NYC in 2 months.



I don't want to debate or stay on topic. I thought that was pretty obvious.

Canada isn't librul enough for you?


So you have no opinion then ?

[underdog]

Canada isn't librul enough for you?


So you have no opinion then ?

Canada sucks.

Communism will never work on a large scale.

[StanUpshaw]

I'm all for real Communism.

http://i.imgur.com/9z27W.jpg

[jonyrotn]

I'm moving to NYC in 2 months
Get outta town!?!





No I mean it...Get outta town... ;-)

[underdog]

Get outta town!?!





No I mean it...Get outta town... ;-)

Drinking time?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Drinking time?



If you hate the metric system they offer pints

[Recyclerz]

Its a hypothetical situation and the constitution would have to be voided & done over via article V convention.

Im not talking about what the AM Radio talkers spout out when talking about Obama and the dang librulz. I mean real Communism

There have been arguements that communism has not worked in countries like the former USSR because it was not practiced to the T. Sure everyone would be equal and there would be job security, equality, but would it be better than our system today? Would there be a complete end to greed? I dont think there will be. By nature man is greedy in some ways.

Here are the 10 Pillars of Communism. There is nothing about freedom of press, religion. Private property rights are taken away. So in my opinion it can never work in this country


1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

I guess I have some time on my hands so here goes:

Communism in the USA (or anywhere on a nation-state level)? No. And no serious person is advocating it anymore (except maybe Noam Chomsky and really not so much even with him.)
That being said I'm not sure where you got your list. It's kind of a hodgepodge of mostly Stalinism with a little Leninism, Maoism, Castro's tactics and a dash of Khmer Rouge thrown in as well. If you want to talk textbook Commie stuff you pretty much have to start and stop with Marx. If you seriously want to understand Marxism have a go at the Communist Manifesto and a Cliff Notes version of Das Kapital. IMO, Marx was like the Michael Moore or the Newt Gingrich of his time - someone who accurately portrayed some of the problems of the society and political systems of his time but who was completely in over his head when it came to coming up with workable solutions to fix them despite their collective delusions of their intellectual grandeur.

I disagree with those who say that communism is fine in theory. I think it is wrong on the same exact point as I think that the laissez-faire capitalists are; that people are primarily rational economic creatures. We are not. We are a jumble of ideas, emotions, superstitions and atavistic desires. We can't be trusted to figure out what the "right" thing is much less do it on a consistent basis.

For a theoretical analysis of how communism could work on a community level you could read Walden 2. However, since communism is largely a superseded theory except as a straw/bogey/man for the Limbaugh chorus your time would be better spent figuring out a new theory on how to fix our problems.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Do you see how no one takes you seriously?


Don't feel the troll people, he'll go away.

Bullshit. You marginalize him, perhaps because you have no one else left here to paw at that disagrees with you. A troll, he is most certainly not. Some mod you are.

[spoon]

Bullshit. You marginalize him, perhaps because you have no one else left here to paw at that disagrees with you. A troll, he is most certainly not. Some mod you are.

Oh he most certainly does have his trolling moments and once in a while puts out an honest discussion. I'm not gonna destroy him all day long bc he at least has more tact than Dude!, but hell, that's not saying much is it. Yet I've even agreed with him once in a while...but not that often.

[Dude!]

i'm so flattered that
Spoon mentions me in
so many of his posts

the only person he talks
about more is himself

[spoon]

still delusional huh

no surprise there

[StanUpshaw]

Man up spoon

Don't run and hide

[spoon]

It's hard to type under my covers in the dark. :glurps:

[SonOfSmeagol]

It's hard to type under my covers in the dark. :glurps:

with one hand

[spoon]

i said it's hard

[Dude!]

i said it's hard

and dark

[spoon]

and dark

:flush:

[Bob Impact]

IMO, Marx was like the Michael Moore or the Newt Gingrich of his time - someone who accurately portrayed some of the problems of the society and political systems of his time but who was completely in over his head when it came to coming up with workable solutions to fix them despite their collective delusions of their intellectual grandeur.
This is extraordinary well phrased and precisely what Marx was. Well done sir.

I disagree with those who say that communism is fine in theory. I think it is wrong on the same exact point as I think that the laissez-faire capitalists are; that people are primarily rational economic creatures. We are not. We are a jumble of ideas, emotions, superstitions and atavistic desires. We can't be trusted to figure out what the "right" thing is much less do it on a consistent basis.
This isn't specifically related, but check out the book Drive by Daniel Pink, he spends a lot of time on the subject of the rational animal.

[Furtherman]

Bullshit. You marginalize him, perhaps because you have no one else left here to paw at that disagrees with you. A troll, he is most certainly not. Some mod you are.

I was talking to those who participate and appreciate here, thank you.

[hanso]

This is extraordinary well phrased and precisely what Marx was. Well done sir.


This isn't specifically related, but check out the book Drive by Daniel Pink, he spends a lot of time on the subject of the rational animal.

His name is Pink so it is right on topic. From the words of Archie Bunker "Pinko Commie"

[hanso]

Its a hypothetical situation and the constitution would have to be voided & done over via article V convention.

Im not talking about what the AM Radio talkers spout out when talking about Obama and the dang librulz. I mean real Communism

There have been arguements that communism has not worked in countries like the former USSR because it was not practiced to the T. Sure everyone would be equal and there would be job security, equality, but would it be better than our system today? Would there be a complete end to greed? I dont think there will be. By nature man is greedy in some ways.

Here are the 10 Pillars of Communism. There is nothing about freedom of press, religion. Private property rights are taken away. So in my opinion it can never work in this country


1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

If you go to wikipedia and read Communist Party USA (established in 1919). You will NOT see what is listed above. However it is an interesting read. Most of it is based on labor and workers rights. Which would come into fruition later on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA

I think I voted for Senator Bernie Sanders (Ind.-VT) when he ran on a Socialist platform. Although not exactly the same. At least it broke the mold. And I don't think many have done so from that time.

[SonOfSmeagol]

I was talking to those who participate and appreciate here, thank you.

Fascinating! esp in light of your op

[Furtherman]

My op modi is love!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If you go to wikipedia and read Communist Party USA (established in 1919). You will NOT see what is listed above. However it is an interesting read. Most of it is based on labor and workers rights. Which would come into fruition later on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA

I think I voted for Senator Bernie Sanders (Ind.-VT) when he ran on a Socialist platform. Although not exactly the same. At least it broke the mold. And I don't think many have done so from that time.


CP USA is more of a watered down version. It's probably not true communism. It looks like the same platform as the Working Families party

Sanders though he is one of the most left wing members of either house touts the line of Western European politicians, 6 weeks vacation single payer healthcare etc.