Georgia passes AZ style bill (a wrestlingfan joint)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The nerve of this Mexican. Now while its not against the law to speak Spanish this person has been living here for over 20 years and did not make his case in English. Is he even legal?

I have zero sympathy for people like this, there are more resources than ever to learn english but he complains in Spanish that people will face consequences for being here illegally


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2004805/Speak-English-Texas-senator-tells-Mexican-heated-immigration-debate.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

[hanso]

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Get on that maverick and ride WF!

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He is starting to look like this guy.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Senor Open borders Juan McCain will make another statement for amnesty, he can not be taken seriously when it comes to illegal immigration

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Its possible they did. After all they have started them in the past.


http://www.willcoxrangenews.com/articles/2011/06/15/news/news02.txt

[hanso]

Senor Open borders Juan McCain will make another statement for amnesty, he can not be taken seriously when it comes to illegal immigration

The guy says something close to the mark followed by putting his foot in his mouth a lot.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Many here on this thread as with me arent't religious and believe there should be a separation of church and state. Saying that, why would anyone want amnesty or a continued pourous border. By 2050 when Hispanics are a majority say goodbye to abortion, same sex marriage or equality for gays and lesbians. School prayer will be back in public schhols. . Our lady of guadelupe feast day will be a national holiday. If you think the evangelicals saying that we are a christian nation upsets you. Wait until we become a catholic nation

[epo]

Many here on this thread as with me arent't religious and believe there should be a separation of church and state. Saying that, why would anyone want amnesty or a continued pourous border. By 2050 when Hispanics are a majority say goodbye to abortion, same sex marriage or equality for gays and lesbians. School prayer will be back in public schhols. . Our lady of guadelupe feast day will be a national holiday. If you think the evangelicals saying that we are a christian nation upsets you. Wait until we become a catholic nation

Sounds like you hate the Irish.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Sounds like you hate the Irish.

And the Italians too!!!


In any case, whites arent the majority parishoners in the catholic church today, The pews are filled with mostly Latin Americans

[A.J.]

Many here on this thread as with me arent't religious and believe there should be a separation of church and state. Saying that, why would anyone want amnesty or a continued pourous border. By 2050 when Hispanics are a majority say goodbye to abortion, same sex marriage or equality for gays and lesbians. School prayer will be back in public schhols. . Our lady of guadelupe feast day will be a national holiday. If you think the evangelicals saying that we are a christian nation upsets you. Wait until we become a catholic nation

Or, it'll be one nation under the Latin Kings.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

From this

http://americanelephant.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/the-signing-of-the-declaration-of-independence.jpg


to this

http://library.thinkquest.org/06aug/01593/images/ms13.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama Bienvenidos senor's y senoras.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailycaller/20110620/pl_dailycaller/whitehouseloosensborderrulesfor2012_1#mwpphu-container

I guess thats what he meant when he wanted to transform the country

[brettmojo]

Advocates for illegal immigrants have long argued that police should not deport illegal immigrants who are identified following a traffic violation. “It is not a crime to be be here illegally,” claimed B. Loewe, a spokesman for the National Day Laborers Organizing Network. “Local law-enforcement enforcing immigration laws is a bad idea.”

Seriously?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Amazing how theres a lobby for drunks hanging out on the side of the road and in front of home depot waiting to be picked up for the day

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Dont bring rocks to a gunfight

http://www.examiner.com/immigration-reform-in-national/illegal-alien-dead-after-assaulting-border-patrol-agents-aclu-upset


Why is the ACLU upset? The agents were in danger, did they expect them to use paintball guns?

[HBox]

You dont need to have a draconian policy to just round them up. Make life unbearable for them and they will leave. Georgia proves this


http://www.examiner.com/immigration-reform-in-national/illegal-aliens-fleeing-georgia-due-to-new-immigration-law

Yeah, it's working out really........ great..... for Georgia.

After enacting House Bill 87, a law designed to drive illegal immigrants out of Georgia, state officials appear shocked to discover that HB 87 is, well, driving a lot of illegal immigrants out of Georgia.

It might be funny if it wasn’t so sad.

Thanks to the resulting labor shortage, Georgia farmers have been forced to leave millions of dollars’ worth of blueberries, onions, melons and other crops unharvested and rotting in the fields. It has also put state officials into something of a panic at the damage they’ve done to Georgia’s largest industry.

The solution?

The results of that investigation have now been released. According to survey of 230 Georgia farmers conducted by Agriculture Commissioner Gary Black, farmers expect to need more than 11,000 workers at some point over the rest of the season, a number that probably underestimates the real need, since not every farmer in the state responded to the survey.

In response, Deal proposes that farmers try to hire the 2,000 unemployed criminal probationers estimated to live in southwest Georgia. Somehow, I suspect that would not be a partnership made in heaven for either party.

Enjoy all those criminals on your farms, Georgia. (http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2011/06/17/gas-farm-labor-crisis-playing-out-as-planned/)

[Furtherman]

I'm sure the good people of Georgia will step up and fill those day laborer jobs.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

people crying over quasi slave owners aka the farm owners. Now they cant get away with worker abuse and paying slave wages.


The only reason illegals are preferred is because they can be taken advantage of and are too scared to blow the whistle on the employer that's called exploitation, and cowardice

[hanso]

Its possible they did. After all they have started them in the past.


http://www.willcoxrangenews.com/articles/2011/06/15/news/news02.txt

Those crossing into Arizona have flamethrowers for the most part.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Will the WaPo be fined for hiring an illegal? Now that he has admitted guilt will he be held accountable for using a phony SSN, commiting ID theft and a whole slew of other crimes to get the job?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/atlantic/20110622/bs_atlantic/journalistjoseantoniovargascomesoutillegalimmigran t39120#mwpphu-container

[foodcourtdruide]

people crying over quasi slave owners aka the farm owners. Now they cant get away with worker abuse and paying slave wages.


The only reason illegals are preferred is because they can be taken advantage of and are too scared to blow the whistle on the employer that's called exploitation, and cowardice

You must support a unionized labor force for farm workers then? It's amazing how you jump to opposite sides depending on what your ideological beliefs call for.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You must support a unionized labor force for farm workers then? It's amazing how you jump to opposite sides depending on what your ideological beliefs call for.

Actually there is already one and its founder was opposed to illegal immigration


http://ed101.bu.edu/StudentDoc/Archives/ED101sp06/kime917/Cesar%20Chavez.jpeg

[foodcourtdruide]

Actually there is already one and its founder was opposed to illegal immigration


http://ed101.bu.edu/StudentDoc/Archives/ED101sp06/kime917/Cesar%20Chavez.jpeg

Ah, right-wing talking points. Way to take something complex and turn it into a bumper sticker. Seriously, have you considered going into the bumper sticker business? I can see it now, a picture of Chavez with words underneath saying, "THIS MAN WAS AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION"

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2010/mar/31/legacy-cesar-chavez/

KATHY: My question is do any of your guests realize that Cesar Chavez was against illegal immigration?

CAVANAUGH: Well, let me ask. Richard?

DEL CASTILLO: Well, actually he wasn’t against illegal immigration. He was against growers using undocumented immigrants to – as strike breakers and in 1973 he and the UFW and Dolores Huerta posed a law that California was proposing that would’ve made the hiring of undocumented immigrants illegal – a crime. So, you know, his position on immigrant was that the employer should not use undocumented immigrants as strike breakers.

CAVANAUGH: Yes, Jorge.

MARISCAL: Yeah, I would add to that that when the UFW was created in 1962, about half of their membership were undocumented people. So the union has never been against undocumented people, it’s always felt that they were workers just like anyone else and they had to be protected. As Ricardo just said, what the union opposed was the use of scabs to try to break strikes.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ah, right-wing talking points. Way to take something complex and turn it into a bumper sticker. Seriously, have you considered going into the bumper sticker business? I can see it now, a picture of Chavez with words underneath saying, "THIS MAN WAS AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION"

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2010/mar/31/legacy-cesar-chavez/

KATHY: My question is do any of your guests realize that Cesar Chavez was against illegal immigration?

CAVANAUGH: Well, let me ask. Richard?

DEL CASTILLO: Well, actually he wasn’t against illegal immigration. He was against growers using undocumented immigrants to – as strike breakers and in 1973 he and the UFW and Dolores Huerta posed a law that California was proposing that would’ve made the hiring of undocumented immigrants illegal – a crime. So, you know, his position on immigrant was that the employer should not use undocumented immigrants as strike breakers.

CAVANAUGH: Yes, Jorge.

MARISCAL: Yeah, I would add to that that when the UFW was created in 1962, about half of their membership were undocumented people. So the union has never been against undocumented people, it’s always felt that they were workers just like anyone else and they had to be protected. As Ricardo just said, what the union opposed was the use of scabs to try to break strikes.



Cesar Chavez KEEP THOSE BEANERS OUT!!!!!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1606224/posts

In 1969, Chavez led a march to the Mexican border to protest illegal immigration. Joining him were Sen. Walter Mondale and Martin Luther King’s successor as head of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, Ralph Abernathy.

The UFW picketed INS offices to demand closure of the border. Chavez also finked on illegal alien scabs to la migra. Columnist Ruben Navarrette Jr. reported in the Arizona Republic, “Cesar Chavez, a labor leader intent on protecting union membership, was as effective a surrogate for the INS as ever existed. Indeed, Chavez and the United Farm Workers Union he headed routinely reported, to the INS, for deportation, suspected illegal immigrants who served as strikebreakers or refused to unionize.”

Like today’s Minutemen, UFW staffers under the command of Chavez’s brother Manuel patrolled the Arizona-Mexico border to keep out illegal aliens. Unlike the well-behaved Minutemen, however, Chavez’s boys sometimes beat up intruders.



It wasnt later into his life he became a face for reconquista

"In the 1980s, the UFW declined into irrelevance as it ascended into the pantheon of political correctness. Losing interest in the gritty work of organizing, the aging Chavez began to back mass immigration as he became a symbol of Latino identity politics."

[foodcourtdruide]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1606224/posts

In 1969, Chavez led a march to the Mexican border to protest illegal immigration. Joining him were Sen. Walter Mondale and Martin Luther King’s successor as head of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, Ralph Abernathy.

The UFW picketed INS offices to demand closure of the border. Chavez also finked on illegal alien scabs to la migra. Columnist Ruben Navarrette Jr. reported in the Arizona Republic, “Cesar Chavez, a labor leader intent on protecting union membership, was as effective a surrogate for the INS as ever existed. Indeed, Chavez and the United Farm Workers Union he headed routinely reported, to the INS, for deportation, suspected illegal immigrants who served as strikebreakers or refused to unionize.”

Like today’s Minutemen, UFW staffers under the command of Chavez’s brother Manuel patrolled the Arizona-Mexico border to keep out illegal aliens. Unlike the well-behaved Minutemen, however, Chavez’s boys sometimes beat up intruders.



It wasnt later into his life he became a face for reconquista

"In the 1980s, the UFW declined into irrelevance as it ascended into the pantheon of political correctness. Losing interest in the gritty work of organizing, the aging Chavez began to back mass immigration as he became a symbol of Latino identity politics."

I love your source. What made you choose this over "partisanwebsitethatwillsupportmyopinion.com"?

My point is Chavez was anti-illegal immigrant because it was in the best interest of his union at a moment in time. He wasn't anti-illegal immigrant the same way you are. Using him as the poster child for the 2011 anti-illegal immigration movement is insincere and sort of dishonest.

Regardless, it still doesn't override the fact that you're anti-worker in every instance, except this one, because it involves illegal immigration.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I love your source. What made you choose this over "partisanwebsitethatwillsupportmyopinion.com"?

My point is Chavez was anti-illegal immigrant because it was in the best interest of his union at a moment in time. He wasn't anti-illegal immigrant the same way you are. Using him as the poster child for the 2011 anti-illegal immigration movement is insincere and sort of dishonest.

Regardless, it still doesn't override the fact that you're anti-worker in every instance, except this one, because it involves illegal immigration.

Haa!!


When you open up your bumper sticker factory, will you hire illegal aliens?


Just throw out words like anti worker.

[foodcourtdruide]

Haa!!


When you open up your bumper sticker factory, will you hire illegal aliens?


Just throw out words like anti worker.

A bumper sticker that just says "anti-worker" really wouldn't make a lot of sense.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://www.parapundit.com/archives/006713.html


"Why let in low skilled immigrants to do manual labor on farms when we are at the transition point where lots of farm jobs are going to get taken over by computer automation. That automated equipment doesn't need taxpayer subsidized health care, unemployment benefits, or schooling for children."

[Furtherman]

http://www.parapundit.com/archives/006713.html


"Why let in low skilled immigrants to do manual labor on farms when we are at the transition point where lots of farm jobs are going to get taken over by computer automation. That automated equipment doesn't need taxpayer subsidized health care, unemployment benefits, or schooling for children."

Robots!!!! You know how that will end up!! Harvesting humans!!! Heed my warning!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Sure they got lost.



http://www.pro8news.com/news/local/Mexican-troops-cross-into-the-United-States--124469714.html

[foodcourtdruide]

Sure they got lost.



http://www.pro8news.com/news/local/Mexican-troops-cross-into-the-United-States--124469714.html

That news story is terribly written.

[foodcourtdruide]

Robots!!!! You know how that will end up!! Harvesting humans!!! Heed my warning!!!

Seriously. Have you seen Terminator?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Looks like a bunch of crimes against the admitted illegal alien Pulitzer prize winner. Heres the evidence


http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/06/26/magazine/26illegal2/26illegal2-popup.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Holy fuck!!! Are these Senators retarded? They want to bring up another amnesty bill again. Like the last one in 1986 worked. Who the hell are they trying to fool?



They are just his-pandering they know this has no chance of passing but they are worried about 2012 so they put the perverbial carrot on the stick

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/22/comprehensive-immigration-reform-effort-relaunched_n_882438.html

From many of the comments on HuffPost a left of center site, a lot of them are against this

[sailor]

Robots!!!! You know how that will end up!! Harvesting humans!!! Heed my warning!!!

Robotic - they're hardly robots. A field full of humanoid robots carrying bushels would be cool though.

[Syd]

Not the biggest surprise:


After enacting House Bill 87, a law designed to drive illegal immigrants out of Georgia, state officials appear shocked to discover that HB 87 is, well, driving a lot of illegal immigrants out of Georgia.
It might be funny if it wasn't so sad.
Thanks to the resulting labor shortage, Georgia farmers have been forced to leave millions of dollars' worth of blueberries, onions, melons and other crops unharvested and rotting in the fields. It has also put state officials into something of a panic at the damage they've done to Georgia's largest industry.

Thanks to the stagnated wages and the expectation of cheap product, Georgia effectively ruined their agricultural industry due to lack of cheap labor. Capitalism and jingoism succeed again!

http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayFullDocument&orgId=574&topicId=100038095&docId=l:1438993076&start=9

[TripleSkeet]

Not the biggest surprise:



Thanks to the stagnated wages and the expectation of cheap product, Georgia effectively ruined their agricultural industry due to lack of cheap labor. Capitalism and jingoism succeed again!

http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayFullDocument&orgId=574&topicId=100038095&docId=l:1438993076&start=9

LMAO Who is actually dumb enough to be surprised by this??????

[hanso]

This just might lead to importing most/all the crops.

[TripleSkeet]

This just might lead to importing most/all the crops.

Im thinking it would more likely lead to law enforcement being told to leave the illegals alone and look the other way so they can get some fucking work done.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Lets make a deal.


Dream act. They must serve 4 years in the military and receive an honorable discharge. No bad conduct / dishonorable or other than honorable. If they receive the latter its deportation

or Serve 2 years in the peace corps

or

Graduate College minumum 3.0 GPA. If its less than that they will NOT receive citizenship just a green card


No chain migration at all. IE allowing their extended families in No sponsoring their illegal parents For college no in state tuition, they must pay their full freight.


If a felony happens after naturalization and they are found guilty. Deportation

Whaddya say?

[TripleSkeet]

Lets make a deal.


Dream act. They must serve 4 years in the military and receive an honorable discharge. No bad conduct / dishonorable or other than honorable. If they receive the latter its deportation

or Serve 2 years in the peace corps

or

Graduate College minumum 3.0 GPA. If its less than that they will NOT receive citizenship just a green card


No chain migration at all. IE allowing their extended families in No sponsoring their illegal parents For college no in state tuition, they must pay their full freight.


If a felony happens after naturalization and they are found guilty. Deportation

Whaddya say?

I dont mind the whole military service part, but I dont see Uncle Sam wanting them. The college part is a pipe dream. There are tons of American citizens that cant afford college, how are these guys supposed to pay for it when they barely make enough money to live???

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I dont mind the whole military service part, but I dont see Uncle Sam wanting them. The college part is a pipe dream. There are tons of American citizens that cant afford college, how are these guys supposed to pay for it when they barely make enough money to live???

Why wouldnt the military want them? If they can pass the physical fitness tests, boot camp etc and have honorable service then they deserve to bcome citizens

As for college I do agree they should not have preferential treatment over Americans. In state tuition gives them that.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Heres a way to raise revenue or to fund SCHIP or infrastructure maintenance. A 20% tax on all remittances to a foreign country. 6 Billion could be raised for money going to Mexico alone

[PapaBear]

or Serve 2 years in the peace corps
Do you have any idea how hard it is to get accepted into the Peace Corps? I have a nephew in it, and getting accepted is about as easy as winning the lottery.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Do you have any idea how hard it is to get accepted into the Peace Corps? I have a nephew in it, and getting accepted is about as easy as winning the lottery.

The PC was one of my proposals. Thats why an illegal who was brought here by their parents need to earn their way to becoming a citizen

[WRESTLINGFAN]

For the Georgia slaveowners crying about rotting crops the can take advantage of the numerous guest worker programs that this country has.

[cougarjake13]

Robotic - they're hardly robots. A field full of humanoid robots carrying bushels would be cool though.

with all the blue tooths , pda's i phones etc


were basically humanoids now

[PapaBear]

For the Georgia slaveowners crying about rotting crops the can take advantage of the numerous guest worker programs that this country has.
I was wondering about that myself. We've had that here for many decades for the apple crops. The only thing I can think of is, their new law must have banned those programs, too. It doesn't make any sense.

[Syd]

Lets make a deal.

Not Peace Corps or the Military but Americorps Vista which is essentially a domestic Peace Corps. There's already funding allocation for it to provide money for education so the bureaucracy is in place. That way you have the illegal immigrants invest in America through action and not just some sort of silly pledge. Four years of Americorps and at least vocational training and a GED for naturalized citizenship.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Not Peace Corps or the Military but Americorps Vista which is essentially a domestic Peace Corps. There's already funding allocation for it to provide money for education so the bureaucracy is in place. That way you have the illegal immigrants invest in America through action and not just some sort of silly pledge. Four years of Americorps and at least vocational training and a GED for naturalized citizenship.

Im fine with the Americorps service, However why rule out the military? They can still get some sort of vocational training if they arent just a regular foot soldier, plus its also another way to earn citizenship

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If youre an illegal, heres the places that will welcome you. Wow what a shock CA is at the top. Like 3 million isnt enough. Come one come all. You will be babysat by the fine taxpayers, Have a kid, have some more. Free money for all. Better rush before its all gone


http://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/july-5-2011/fair-lists-most-welcoming-places-america-illegal-aliens.html

"Despite its $26 billion budget deficit, the state spends $21.5 billion dollars annually subsidizing illegal alien health care, education, welfare, other state benefits and criminal justice. Every California native-born household chips in $2438 each year to help".