Amy Chua Tiger mom

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I saw her on real time with Bill Maher last night. While I dont have any kids, It still was an interesting interview. She has also been on the today show and other outlets explaining her book

She basically said that you shouldnt give gids self confidence they have to earn it. Also the whole everybody gets a trophy mantra isnt good for children either. Anyone with kids here have any thoughts on her.

[Snacks]

I dont have kids either but I agree with her. I really liked that interview except when Bill tried to make it about race and that only white kids have self confidence or false self confidence and not minorities. He mad it seem like no other race is involved in this mess. I would think, like most things about money. Most kids raised poor might have less chance of receiving this fake, over the top praise. But middle class parents will be the ones that cheer on their kids before they deserve the praise! Like she said dont celebrate til they do something worth celebrating. Todays kids are applauded before they achieve! Not a race issue a society issue!

I usually love Bill Maher and seem to be his side of a lot of his opinions, but lately he really is bringing race as reasons for everything and that I dont like!

[Dudeman]

Her dad is a professor at Berkeley. She was educated and is now employed at northeast liberal elite schools (Harvard and Yale.) Fox news had a shit fit over her book (like they did about Common.)

Yeah, she's alright.

[Snacks]

I thought us liberals were the ones who would be babying our children and rewarding them for nothing? You would think conservatives would be tougher? They always say they are the tougher ones, dont they?

[keithy_19]

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

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[CountryBob]

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How in the world can this guy be single?

[CountryBob]

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I think she is hot - I need her approval that I am servicing that pussy good!!

[foodcourtdruide]

The other day I was on the subway, I heard a mother scream "RED LIGHT" at her child for the kid to stop running. All I could think was that I never want children.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I think she is hot - I need her approval that I am servicing that pussy good!!

Love those dominant Asian women

[KC2OSO]

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Where do I find huge jammies like that? - same place I buy adult diapers?

[Jujubees2]

Love those dominant Asian women as long as they're legal immigrants

Fixed if for you

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Fixed if for you

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

I thought us liberals were the ones who would be babying our children and rewarding them for nothing? You would think conservatives would be tougher? They always say they are the tougher ones, dont they?

I dont think its a political leaning issue, but youre right about it being a society one

[jonyrotn]

I thought us liberals were the ones who would be babying our children and rewarding them for nothing? You would think conservatives would be tougher? They always say they are the tougher ones, dont they?
The Menendez Boys have tons of psudo self confidence..I bet their parents are so proud of their tough love approach to child rearing..

[TripleSkeet]

I read some of her stuff awhile back. Not a fan of her methods. All kids are different, theres no such thing as a surefire way to get the best out of every kid. Some kids need a kick in the ass, others need a pat on the back. Calling a kid a piece of garbage because they cant get a piece of music right on the piano is an asshole move, I dont give a fuck what she says. If thats what Ive got to do to get my kid to play the piano, Id rather she not play.

I am however for the whole winners and losers thing. Never liked the "everybody wins and gets a trophy" thing. When I was a kid everyone in our little league got a trophy, which was cool because we all participated, however the championship team, the MVP, and a few other winners got BIGGER trophies, so it gave us something to strive for the next year.

[jonyrotn]

Back in like 1980 the federal government started this thing called "the presidential physical fitness award" for k-8..It awared kids different certificates for different levels of athleticism..For the 3 years I participated I was one out of two or three kids in my school (one played hockey for team usa) that got the highest award they gave out..
As a kid I remember quite a few of my peers being kinda jealous that president Reagan basically said I was better then them with his personal little pat on the back in the form of a patch the branded me a thoroughbred..I wonder sometimes how I woulda handled the president telling me I wasn't as good as the other kids..

I had a similar experience with gov mario cuomo in 1984 for being the only kid in the nyc public school to score perfect on some pilot state wide test they were devoping..I got less of a kick out of that one..

[Snacks]

When I was kid we got a trophy or medal for winning (wrestling for top 3 places) nothing else. There is no reason to reward participation. Its bullshit and false praise. You look at some of these "trophy" rooms and it looks like these people are raising stud, olympic athletes but in reality they are kids that just participated in lots of sports and events, nothing more.

I would actually be embarrassed to show my friends and family trophies for my kids when they really didnt win anything. My nephew and niece are in karate. What a joke that is. They get trophies and medals and ribbons for EVERYTHING! 1 of their 1st competitions my nephew took the silver and my niece took the bronze. Turned out in my nephews group there were only like 4 kids even participating. In my nieces there were 3 girls and she got the bronze, so she won nothing imo. Then they went to some larger event. 1st - 3rd got medals and 4th -12th got a ribbon. Are you fucking kidding me? You dont deserve anything but a hug from your own parents thats it!

I like this lady. I think she is right, there is a happy medium between what the USA has become and China when it comes to kids. There is no reason to be as strict and crazed as China but we dont need to baby kids like America. Not everyone is a winner and not everyone gets a trophy. Maybe if we had just a little more tough love maybe we would have some tougher skinned people?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

In the military they even do it. Even if someone has never been to a combat area they still get a national defense medal. We called it the firewatch medal. In the army you get a ribbon for completing boot camp

[RoseBlood]

I read some of her stuff awhile back. Not a fan of her methods. All kids are different, theres no such thing as a surefire way to get the best out of every kid. Some kids need a kick in the ass, others need a pat on the back. Calling a kid a piece of garbage because they cant get a piece of music right on the piano is an asshole move, I dont give a fuck what she says. If thats what Ive got to do to get my kid to play the piano, Id rather she not play.

I am however for the whole winners and losers thing. Never liked the "everybody wins and gets a trophy" thing. When I was a kid everyone in our little league got a trophy, which was cool because we all participated, however the championship team, the MVP, and a few other winners got BIGGER trophies, so it gave us something to strive for the next year.

I agree with this. And when I was in dancing school, everyone got trophies, but each year you atttended the trophy got bigger.

[sailor]

Seems silly to whine about little kids getting ribbons.

She sounds like a modern day Joan Crawford.

[Snacks]

Seems silly to whine about little kids getting ribbons.

She sounds like a modern day Joan Crawford.

I agree and disagree. We are creating false awards for false achievements. Taking 10th place in something is imo worse to reward then not rewarding because you are telling them that you dont need to work hard to win something. There is really nothing to strive for because everyone wins!

Joan Crawford went a little overboard with the wire hangers!

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[jonyrotn]

I agree with this. And when I was in dancing school, everyone got trophies, but each year you atttended the trophy got bigger.
I suspect we'll see a very similar post from keithy19's dance school days..I believe he was a private dancer, a dancer for money and more..

[sailor]

I agree and disagree. We are creating false awards for false achievements. Taking 10th place in something is imo worse to reward then not rewarding because you are telling them that you dont need to work hard to win something. There is really nothing to strive for because everyone wins!

Joan Crawford went a little overboard with the wire hangers!

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Like skeet said, no one is confusing their little league participation awards with what the champions earned. I'm 40 and those things always took place. As for the little girl who came in third, it's not her fault there weren't other girls in her age group.

[Snacks]

Like skeet said, no one is confusing their little league participation awards with what the champions earned. I'm 40 and those things always took place. As for the little girl who came in third, it's not her fault there weren't other girls in her age group.

Youre right its not her fault that only 3 people were in the "tournament" but to celebrate it like she won something is an insult to the people who did.

Let me guess all babies are cute? Thats another thing I have always hated every baby isnt cute sorry they arent. I hate when I see a pic of some ugly kid and hear people say how cute. I just dont say anything rather then lie. I would never say the kid is ugly I just wont comment and give false praise about the ugly kid!

[Dirtbag]

Not that I spend a whole lot of time around babies, but they all look the same to me.

Except the black ones. Those are ugly.

[StanUpshaw]

Not that I spend a whole lot of time around babies, but they all look the same to me.

Except the black ones. Those are ugly.

And all the flies! The buzzing is SO annoying!

[sailor]

Of course not all kids are cute.

[StanUpshaw]

I don't know a whole lot of children, but most every kid I meet seems to be a pretty decent person. I think things are working out pretty well on the K-8 front.

On the other hand, most every teenager I meet is a shithead idiot. As a society, we need to rattle their cages a whole lot more. I think a couple years of compulsory national service is not a bad idea at all.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It lies on the part of the parent. So many brag that their kids finally become potty trained. Wow lets congratulate the kid for performing a normal bodily function

[Dirtbag]

It lies on the part of the parent. So many brag that their kids finally become potty trained. Wow lets congratulate the kid for performing a normal bodily function

They're not being congratulated for pissing and shitting. They're being congratulated for pissing and shitting in the toilet. That does seem to me like a pretty big step in going from a 100% dependent pile of mush to an actual human being.

[SatCam]

Fight the youth
The youth with poisoned minds
Ignite the truth
Restore sight to these blind
Fight the youth
The youth with poisoned minds
And if they suffer it's no fault but their own

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[TripleSkeet]

It lies on the part of the parent. So many brag that their kids finally become potty trained. Wow lets congratulate the kid for performing a normal bodily function

Do you have kids? How can you NOT congratulate a kid that finally starts shitting on a toilet??? Especially considering usually at that age they are holding themselves up like they are on the parallell bars while theyre doing it.

About a month after my daughter turned 2 she just announced that she didnt want to wear diapers anymore. She had never even sat on the toilet up until that point. As nervous as I was about letting her just wear panties, I did, and she started going on the toilet and not once did she wet herself. Shes 3 now and goes to the bathroom alone and even wipes herself. That makes me alot prouder then hitting a fucking baseball, Ill tell you that.

[TripleSkeet]

I agree and disagree. We are creating false awards for false achievements. Taking 10th place in something is imo worse to reward then not rewarding because you are telling them that you dont need to work hard to win something. There is really nothing to strive for because everyone wins!


While I agree that giving out medals for 10th place is ridiculous, I see nothing wrong with every little league team getting a trophy. Its a reward for all the work they put in. All the attention they paid and the time they invested. To just give them nothing seems like a great way to get a kid to just say "What the fuck is the point?"

Thats been going on in little league since long before I played in it. But like I said, the team that actually wins the Championship, should get the bigger more impressive trophies.

[TripleSkeet]

I played little league ball with a kid whos father coached his team. Ill never forget the year we beat them in the championship game. The kid started crying his eyes out, and his father beat the fuck out of him with a baseball tee in front of everyone. Funniest and saddest thing I ever saw in my life.

That kid wound up getting a full ride for baseball to a school in West Palm Beach. And his dad moved down there to help coach him. I still say I would never do that to my kid in a million fucking years.

[Dudeman]

It lies on the part of the parent. So many brag that their kids finally become potty trained. Wow lets congratulate the kid for performing a normal bodily function

Do you have kids? How can you NOT congratulate a kid that finally starts shitting on a toilet??? Especially considering usually at that age they are holding themselves up like they are on the parallell bars while theyre doing it.

About a month after my daughter turned 2 she just announced that she didnt want to wear diapers anymore. She had never even sat on the toilet up until that point. As nervous as I was about letting her just wear panties, I did, and she started going on the toilet and not once did she wet herself. Shes 3 now and goes to the bathroom alone and even wipes herself. That makes me alot prouder then hitting a fucking baseball, Ill tell you that.


A new low in stupidity by WF...

How do you potty train a baby? The only way to get them to stop pissing and shitting in their diaper, learn to sit on a toilet, hold their shit and piss until they are on a toilet, etc is through positive reinforcement.

And considering that it takes about 6 months on average to teach a toddler to become fully potty trained, yes a parent is going to be happy/relieved/proud that their child has finally become potty trained, especially if entry into a preschool was dependent on the child being potty trained and if they see other parents struggling to accomplish it with their child.

You even take a toddler's important developmental milestone and the parents' reactions to that and try to manipulate it into your fucked-up version of the world as you see it from your angry seat in front of your computer. So sad. :flush:

[keithy_19]

I suspect we'll see a very similar post from keithy19's dance school days..I believe he was a private dancer, a dancer for money and more..

It's weird, I remember dancing and having a good amount of money during my dance school days, but I don't remember the more. It just all kind of goes fuzzy..

And when I played baseball we all got trophies, but they were bigger when you actually won. I was on good teams (and was a damn good second baseman) and have a bunch of trophies. They're all in the basement in some box. Amazingly, my self-esteem has plummeted the past few years.

[Dudeman]

Originally Posted by WRESTLINGFAN
It lies on the part of the parent. So many brag that their kids finally become potty trained. Wow lets congratulate the kid for performing a normal bodily function


Originally Posted by TripleSkeet
Do you have kids? How can you NOT congratulate a kid that finally starts shitting on a toilet??? Especially considering usually at that age they are holding themselves up like they are on the parallell bars while theyre doing it.

About a month after my daughter turned 2 she just announced that she didnt want to wear diapers anymore. She had never even sat on the toilet up until that point. As nervous as I was about letting her just wear panties, I did, and she started going on the toilet and not once did she wet herself. Shes 3 now and goes to the bathroom alone and even wipes herself. That makes me alot prouder then hitting a fucking baseball, Ill tell you that



A new low in stupidity by WF...

How do you potty train a baby? The only way to get them to stop pissing and shitting in their diaper, learn to sit on a toilet, hold their shit and piss until they are on a toilet, etc is through positive reinforcement.

And considering that it takes about 6 months on average to teach a toddler to become fully potty trained, yes a parent is going to be happy/relieved/proud that their child has finally become potty trained, especially if entry into a preschool was dependent on the child being potty trained and if they see other parents struggling to accomplish it with their child.

You even take a toddler's important developmental milestone and the parents' reactions to that and try to manipulate it into your fucked-up version of the world as you see it from your angry seat in front of your computer. So sad. :flush:

I take that back, his low was still mocking CPS (child protective services).

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I take that back, his low was still mocking CPS (child protective services).


Wow, loosen those depends , you so angry
A diatribe about perfoming a bodily function? Wow you really need to get out more

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Do you have kids? How can you NOT congratulate a kid that finally starts shitting on a toilet??? Especially considering usually at that age they are holding themselves up like they are on the parallell bars while theyre doing it.

About a month after my daughter turned 2 she just announced that she didnt want to wear diapers anymore. She had never even sat on the toilet up until that point. As nervous as I was about letting her just wear panties, I did, and she started going on the toilet and not once did she wet herself. Shes 3 now and goes to the bathroom alone and even wipes herself. That makes me alot prouder then hitting a fucking baseball, Ill tell you that.

You could also be proud that your kid can hit a fastball for example. Some have natural talent and some need practice, IE going to batting cages, drills etc.

I dont have children and I am not sure if I want them. I know I dont want them now. , Ive heard parents saying that people my age late 30's who dont have children are selfish and that pisses me off. If someone does not want to commit to having children who are they to say if its morally wrong

[RoseBlood]

I dont have children and I am not sure if I want them. I know I dont want them now. , Ive heard parents saying that people my age late 30's who dont have children are selfish and that pisses me off. If someone does not want to commit to having children who are they to say if its morally wrong

As someone who'd like to have children someday, I do think it's a selfish decision not to have children, but realizing how much time, energy and money it takes to raise a child I believe it's the smart decision for some.

What's more selfish to me is someone who has children and doesn't take care of them.

So if someone is wise enough to have the foresight that they could never commit to a child, then selfish or not, good for them!

[A.J.]

Do you have kids? How can you NOT congratulate a kid that finally starts shitting on a toilet???

Maybe if more parents did that, our public bathrooms would be much cleaner.

I dont have children and I am not sure if I want them. I know I dont want them now. , Ive heard parents saying that people my age late 30's who dont have children are selfish and that pisses me off. If someone does not want to commit to having children who are they to say if its morally wrong

I have no desire for children. I don't have the patience and don't want the responsibility. So how is not overpopulating the planet and draining public resources "selfish"?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Maybe if more parents did that, our public bathrooms would be much cleaner.



I have no desire for children. I don't have the patience and don't want the responsibility. So how is not overpopulating the planet and draining public resources "selfish"?

Many have that view because people who have no children are all about themselves.

I think having kids involved in everything burns them out. 1 sport and 1 extra activity after school is more than enough. Sadly there are many parents who's weekend activities consist of driving their kids from 1 activity to another

[StanUpshaw]

I have no desire for children. I don't have the patience and don't want the responsibility. So how is not overpopulating the planet and draining public resources "selfish"?

That is selfish.

Having kids because you want them is selfish.

Only accidents are selfless.

[Snacks]

You could look at it in the opposite way. Those who dont want children know themselves and are being smart to not want to bring more unwanted kids into an overpopulated society.