The Tea Party Thread

[hanso]

Seen a story/video good, bad or a WTF one that emanates from the Tea Party ?

Most I have seen are the latter that makes one winch. Post them here.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Do these tea parties count ?


http://teapartygirl.com/2011/04/royal-wedding-tea-party-ideas/

[hanso]

Do these tea parties count ?


http://teapartygirl.com/2011/04/royal-wedding-tea-party-ideas/

That is just as gaudy.

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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/06/10/exclusive-christians-must-reject-ayn-rand-faith-based-group-tells-raw-story/

This is the last story I saw. and why I wanted a thread for the tea party stuff.

Seems that religious right vs tea party could becoming unraveled.

[hanso]

(That is if the religious right has a thread of dignity left in them.)

[cougarjake13]

Do these tea parties count ?


http://teapartygirl.com/2011/04/royal-wedding-tea-party-ideas/

only if i can tea bag her

[WRESTLINGFAN]

only if i can tea bag her

Wouldnt mind teabagging her.


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/gossip/2011/06/pippa-middleton-single-alex-loudon-george-percy-kate-middleton.html

[SonOfSmeagol]

Wouldnt mind teabagging her.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/gossip/2011/06/pippa-middleton-single-alex-loudon-
george-percy-kate-middleton.html

what's with the neck? she looks like she swallowed his nuts.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef01538f2b9a90970b-pi

[Dude!]

what's with the neck? she looks like she swallowed his nuts.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef01538f2b9a90970b-pi

oh my gawd, good catch!

when you enlarge the pic
and look closely, it is clear
that an ET-like alien head is
pushing it's way out or her neck

i'm scared

[hanso]

Michele Bachmann the winner of CNN's GOP debate in NH

Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann came into Monday night’s presidential debate in the Queen City as an unknown commodity. She left it as the most talked-about candidate in the 2012 GOP field.

Bachmann stole headlines at the start by announcing that she had filed to run for president — skipping the exploratory phase entirely — and then proceeding to command the stage in the first hour of the CNN-sponsored debate with quotable answers on every question asked of her. The crowd assembled at Saint Anselm College broke into spontaneous applause after several of Bachmann’s answers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/michele-bachmanns-star-turn/2011/06/13/AG235PUH_blog.html

[hanso]

Michele Bachmann the winner of CNN's GOP debate in NH

Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann came into Monday night’s presidential debate in the Queen City as an unknown commodity. She left it as the most talked-about candidate in the 2012 GOP field.

Bachmann stole headlines at the start by announcing that she had filed to run for president — skipping the exploratory phase entirely — and then proceeding to command the stage in the first hour of the CNN-sponsored debate with quotable answers on every question asked of her. The crowd assembled at Saint Anselm College broke into spontaneous applause after several of Bachmann’s answers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/michele-bachmanns-star-turn/2011/06/13/AG235PUH_blog.html

Now she leads the polls.

Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., led a closely watched presidential poll of Iowa Republicans, the state that holds the first contest in the nomination battle. ...
http://www.kwgn.com/news/kcpq-republicans-romney-bachmann-lead-in-iowa-poll-20110625,0,1525661.story

I have todays Face the Nation on right now. She was the whole show.
And wow! is she on the mark on everything! Bob Schieffer hammered her. But she took him to task. WTG Tea Party.

[cougarjake13]

Now she leads the polls.

Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., led a closely watched presidential poll of Iowa Republicans, the state that holds the first contest in the nomination battle. ...
http://www.kwgn.com/news/kcpq-republicans-romney-bachmann-lead-in-iowa-poll-20110625,0,1525661.story

I have todays Face the Nation on right now. She was the whole show.
And wow! is she on the mark on everything! Bob Schieffer hammered her. But she took him to task. WTG Tea Party.



id like to hammer her

[Jujubees2]

id like to hammer her

Maybe God will speak into her heart and tell her to hammer you!

[hanso]

You know how many kids she has right? The woman is a Saint :innocent:

[Jujubees2]

You know how many kids she has right? The woman is a Saint :innocent:

And she's from the same hometown as John Wayne (Gacy)

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/06/27/6958622-wrong-john-wayne-mix-up-is-opening-day-headache-for-bachmann-

[TripleSkeet]

Now she leads the polls.

Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., led a closely watched presidential poll of Iowa Republicans, the state that holds the first contest in the nomination battle. ...
http://www.kwgn.com/news/kcpq-republicans-romney-bachmann-lead-in-iowa-poll-20110625,0,1525661.story

I have todays Face the Nation on right now. She was the whole show.
And wow! is she on the mark on everything! Bob Schieffer hammered her. But she took him to task. WTG Tea Party.

Its almost like the Republicans dont even want the office of President.

[booster11373]

Its almost like the Republicans dont even want the office of President.

Why would they?

[cougarjake13]

Maybe God will speak into her heart and tell her to hammer you!

thats fine id let her

[hanso]

And she's from the same hometown as John Wayne (Gacy)

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/06/27/6958622-wrong-john-wayne-mix-up-is-opening-day-headache-for-bachmann-

Our lady of the clown dressing serial killer.

[Bob Impact]

That is just as gaudy.

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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/06/10/exclusive-christians-must-reject-ayn-rand-faith-based-group-tells-raw-story/

This is the last story I saw. and why I wanted a thread for the tea party stuff.

Seems that religious right vs tea party could becoming unraveled.

Goddamn it that puts me on the side of the Tea Party. Far more than she was an outspoken advocate for Capitalism Rand was a proponent self reliance, human dignity and pride. She backed causes such as a womans right to choose, was virulently anti racist, among many of the other "liberal" ways of thinking. It's about fuckin' time the GOP washed that religious stink off of themselves.

[Jujubees2]

Sorry Bachmann, Tom Petty doesn't think you're the American Girl

Tom Petty demands that Michele Bachmann stop using 'American Girl', sends cease-and-desist letter (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/06/28/2011-06-28_tom_petty_demands_that_michele_bachmann_stop_us ing_american_girl_sends_ceaseandd.html#ixzz1QbqG2G gB)

[A.J.]

Sorry Bachmann, Tom Petty doesn't think you're the American Girl

Tom Petty demands that Michele Bachmann stop using 'American Girl', sends cease-and-desist letter (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/06/28/2011-06-28_tom_petty_demands_that_michele_bachmann_stop_us ing_american_girl_sends_ceaseandd.html#ixzz1QbqG2G gB)

Don't GOP candidates realize that the only performers that are going to allow them to use their songs on the campaign trail are probably going to be country artists -- and Ted Nugent?

[hanso]

Don't GOP candidates realize that the only performers that are going to allow them to use their songs on the campaign trail are probably going to be country artists -- and Ted Nugent?

Why don't they use gospel music? They sure go all out God Squad.

[Syd]

The Tea Party Jacobins:
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/may/27/tea-party-jacobins/?pagination=false

I am their leader, I had to follow them.
—French radical Ledru-Rollin, 1848

Great article.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Wow. I wish this was a joke


http://www.twoifbytea.com/

[disneyspy]

Wow. I wish this was a joke


http://www.twoifbytea.com/

who is that?

and the tea party which was gaining in popularity here last few years(think michigan militia types)is starting to wane as more of the economically disadvantage start looking at the internet for more than just forwarding emails

[keithy_19]

who is that?

and the tea party which was gaining in popularity here last few years(think michigan militia types)is starting to wane as more of the economically disadvantage start looking at the internet for more than just forwarding emails

Sporadic Reverie? (http://keithradzion.wordpress.com/)

[disneyspy]

Sporadic Reverie? (http://keithradzion.wordpress.com/)

ha,got me again

[keithy_19]

who is that?

and the tea party which was gaining in popularity here last few years(think michigan militia types)is starting to wane as more of the economically disadvantage start looking at the internet for more than just forwarding emails

Porn? (http://keithradzion.wordpress.com/)

[disneyspy]

Porn? (http://keithradzion.wordpress.com/)

shame on you

[keithy_19]

shame on you

I'm sorry.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

who is that?

and the tea party which was gaining in popularity here last few years(think michigan militia types)is starting to wane as more of the economically disadvantage start looking at the internet for more than just forwarding emails


That's Rush Limbaugh he's peddling iced tea

[cougarjake13]

That's Rush Limbaugh he's peddling iced tea

i thought it was drugs and young boys

[hanso]

You know how many kids she has right? The woman is a Saint :innocent:

And she's from the same hometown as John Wayne (Gacy)

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/06/27/6958622-wrong-john-wayne-mix-up-is-opening-day-headache-for-bachmann-

Our lady of the clown dressing serial killer.

http://i.imgur.com/hfnrd.jpg

[Jujubees2]

No porn? We've got to stop her.... NOW!

Michele Bachmann is first GOP presidential candidate to sign pledge banning gay marriage, porn (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/07/08/2011-07-08_michele_bachmann_is_first_gop_presidential_cand idate_to_sign_pledge_banning_gay_.html#ixzz1RXmnXx YD)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No porn? We've got to stop her.... NOW!

Michele Bachmann is first GOP presidential candidate to sign pledge banning gay marriage, porn (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/07/08/2011-07-08_michele_bachmann_is_first_gop_presidential_cand idate_to_sign_pledge_banning_gay_.html#ixzz1RXmnXx YD)

She just lost the majority of the countrys vote over porn

[A.J.]

No porn? We've got to stop her.... NOW!

Michele Bachmann is first GOP presidential candidate to sign pledge banning gay marriage, porn (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/07/08/2011-07-08_michele_bachmann_is_first_gop_presidential_cand idate_to_sign_pledge_banning_gay_.html#ixzz1RXmnXx YD)

As long as it's only gay porn, who cares?

No wait! I like the girl-on-girl stuff!

[disneyspy]

As long as it's only gay porn, who cares?

No wait! I like the girl-on-girl stuff!

doesnt do anything for me

[El Mudo]

doesnt do anything for me

Homo.

[disneyspy]

Homo.

so you do like gay porn

doesnt make you a bad person

[hanso]

It has this part in the pledge "all forms of pornography" however it states women, children and can be taken many ways as it is a batshit written pledge. As was the ones signed early on by those who started this teabagger movement.

Michele Bachmann First Candidate To Sign Pledge To Ban Porn And Same-Sex Marriage
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/michele-bachmann-first-candidate-to-sign-pledge-to-ban-porn-and-same-sex-marriage/

Michele Bachmann Signs Conservative Pro-Marriage Pledge (That Also Bans Porn?)
http://www.mediaite.com/online/michelle-bachmann-signs-social-conservative-pro-marriage-pledge-that-also-bans-porn/

[high fly]

If you want to see a Tea party kook who is out of her mind, google Catherine Crabill of Virginia. The woman is starkers, I tell ya!
She achieved some notoriety a few years ago when she said something to the effect of "If we don't get what we want through the ballot box, we will have to resort to the bullet box."

[Jujubees2]

It has this part in the pledge "all forms of pornography" however it states women, children and can be taken many ways as it is a batshit written pledge. As was the ones signed early on by those who started this teabagger movement.

Michele Bachmann First Candidate To Sign Pledge To Ban Porn And Same-Sex Marriage
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/michele-bachmann-first-candidate-to-sign-pledge-to-ban-porn-and-same-sex-marriage/

Michele Bachmann Signs Conservative Pro-Marriage Pledge (That Also Bans Porn?)
http://www.mediaite.com/online/michelle-bachmann-signs-social-conservative-pro-marriage-pledge-that-also-bans-porn/

She also signed a pledge that says blacks were better off as slaves:

Bachmann signs vow that compares slave era, today (http://www.startribune.com/local/125249444.html)

[Jujubees2]

GOP's Tea Party wing bungles Ronald Reagan legacy, dashes hopes for end to debt crisis (http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2011/07/27/2011-07-27_breakdown_of_debt_talks_can_be_seen_as_republic an_rebuke_to_ronald_reagan.html#ixzz1TJumbe6H)

Interesting read, especially when considering how the Tea Party idolizes Reagan who did some very un-Tea Party things.

Remember, Reagan's policies led to a near-tripling of the national debt during his two terms as President. His administration, according to historian Sean Wilentz, "never submitted a balanced budget" to Congress.

[hanso]

Before Reagan we were the world's biggest creditor nation. And after him the biggest debtor nation.

[keithy_19]

Michelle BachMANNNNNN, amirite?

[hanso]

First They Came for the Lightbulbs...
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/08/michele-bachmann-light-bulbs-agenda-21
Good story on some insights to the lunacies from her and her backers.

[Furtherman]

http://bigjournalism.com/files/2011/08/Screen-shot-2011-08-07-at-7.06.43-PM.png

[Bob Impact]

http://bigjournalism.com/files/2011/08/Screen-shot-2011-08-07-at-7.06.43-PM.png

That is one frightening ass picture.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://bigjournalism.com/files/2011/08/Screen-shot-2011-08-07-at-7.06.43-PM.png

Almost as scary as this


http://www.comingsoon.net/gallery/17151/Step_Brothers_poster.jpg

[Bob Impact]

First They Came for the Lightbulbs...
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/08/michele-bachmann-light-bulbs-agenda-21
Good story on some insights to the lunacies from her and her backers.

I can't understand anyone who doesn't buy CFL bulbs. We have nothing but CFLs and LEDs inside the house, standard fluorescent in the garage and halogen security lights. Why would I still be using a light bulb with the exact same technology that Thomas Edison had 100 years later? This woman being elected is the most insane thing going in politics today.

[S0S]

I can't understand anyone who doesn't buy CFL bulbs. We have nothing but CFLs and LEDs inside the house, standard fluorescent in the garage and halogen security lights. Why would I still be using a light bulb with the exact same technology that Thomas Edison had 100 years later? This woman being elected is the most insane thing going in politics today.

It's your choice and not anyone elses.

CFL bulbs have mercury which is an environmental hazard that are supposed to be disposed of specially but what percentage of people will?


I like CFLs and LED lights myself.

[Syd]

It's your choice and not anyone elses.

CFL bulbs have mercury which is an environmental hazard that are supposed to be disposed of specially but what percentage of people will?

Probably nil, but, if mercury was a concern people would be up in arms about coal plants spewing mercury into the air. All the CFL hullabaloo is about people not having a choice, which, oddly enough, conservatives are in favor of right now. Be it logical or not that seems to be the crux of their issue with CFLs.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Bachmann as an ally

http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/08/the-national-organization-for-women-defends-bachmann-against-newsweek/

[spoon]

Bachmann as an ally

http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/08/the-national-organization-for-women-defends-bachmann-against-newsweek/

So they think it's demeaning bc it said queen? or rage? I'm lost bc it's slanted in it's approach, not sexist to me. NOW is insane if they think men haven't been blasted on Newsweek, much less it's the rage part that makes it a dumb/attacking headline. The queen part is a non-story to me and not really a sexist comment here, but a biased one.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This looked interesting btwn Santelli and Meredith Whitney


http://www.cnbc.com/id/44088318/comid/8#comments_top

[hanso]

I heard their next target is the EPA.

[CurseoftheBambi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Kuo8lb6Bg

:clap:

[Furtherman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Kuo8lb6Bg

:clap:

That is awesome.

[spoon]

That is awesome.

X 2

:surrender:

[hanso]

good one ^

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Crap just got real yo

[spoon]

how great is it that right over his shoulder it says twinkie log?!



reminded me of the Fox hannity interview the other day with Palin and their was a nutty bar or something like it right behind them.

here it is, you see it right at the start of the interview!

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[hanso]

The mic hits one of the staffers around the head. Then Don never said which head her hubby hit.

[Furtherman]

Sorry CNN, but if you crowd into people like that, stuff like that is going to happen. What a crybaby.

[A.J.]

It doesn't top this:

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/08/20/gal_1968-2.jpg

[Bob Impact]

"Two blonde women started elbowing and pushing me, then I hit my head on a golf cart and people spilled stuff."

CNN: Where real hard nosed journalism lives.

[hanso]

how great is it that right over his shoulder it says twinkie log?!



reminded me of the Fox hannity interview the other day with Palin and their was a nutty bar or something like it right behind them.

here it is, you see it right at the start of the interview!



Are you saying Don Lemon is a twink? (I did see a video titled he comes out)
And do they even make choc. twinkies?




http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gawker/2011/08/marcus.jpg

However Marcus Bachmann is a man's man. You go Marcus Bachmann!
Oops only thing is that's not his wife at the staw poll fair. (She won it btw)
http://gawker.com/marcus-bachmann/

[hanso]

http://i.imgur.com/pIPvW.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

She did get the name correctly

http://news.yahoo.com/bachmann-wishes-elvis-happy-birthday-death-date-184534908.html

[spoon]

Ha!

I would LOVE a Bachmann/Palin ticket. Just imagine all the fun!

[hanso]

She did get the name correctly

http://news.yahoo.com/bachmann-wishes-elvis-happy-birthday-death-date-184534908.html

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Happy death day Elvis. Aug. 16th.

[keithy_19]

Anyone else not voting for Rick Perry if he gets the nomination?

[hanso]

Ha!

I would LOVE a Bachmann/Palin ticket. Just imagine all the fun!

They could clean house.....

[hanso]

Anyone else not voting for Rick Perry if he gets the nomination?

With an a?

[keithy_19]

With an a?

Why don't I understand this...

[PapaBear]

They could clean house.....

Not bad!

With an a?

Why don't I understand this...

Because hanso posted it.

[spoon]

But if Ricky P gets the nod, God joins our side right!?

I so hate that guy and Texas with a passion. Do we REALLY need another super religious republican Texan gov as president?

[A.J.]

But if Ricky P gets the nod, God joins our side right!?

I so hate that guy and Texas with a passion. Do we REALLY need another super religious republican Texan gov as president?

I wish he was serious about Texas seceding from the Union. LBJ, GHWB, GWB: no mas.

[hanso]

Write in Rick Parry with an "A"
http://youtu.be/yhv432TX2Tw

[Jujubees2]

Wow, some Ron Paul supporters are out there

Rep. Ron Paul supporter takes out ad calling for women who 'had sex with Rick Perry' (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/08/18/2011-08-18_rep_ron_paul_supporter_takes_out_ad_calling_for _women_who_had_sex_with_rick_perr.html#ixzz1VPSvYB wn)

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/08/19/alg_cash_ad.jpg

[Furtherman]

Michele Bachmann today: The American people are concerned about "The Rise Of The Soviet Union". She's right. Although she forgot to specify "My 90 year old Aunt Gertie and her friends with alzheimers at the home yell that between puddings."

[hanso]

Wow, some Ron Paul supporters are out there

Rep. Ron Paul supporter takes out ad calling for women who 'had sex with Rick Perry' (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/08/18/2011-08-18_rep_ron_paul_supporter_takes_out_ad_calling_for _women_who_had_sex_with_rick_perr.html#ixzz1VPSvYB wn)

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/08/19/alg_cash_ad.jpg

He won an online straw poll. I read that in my paper and nowhere else.
He won an online straw poll. I read that in my paper and nowhere else.

[hanso]

Rick Perry states he is down with the Tea Party. Shuns climate change while Texas endures hottest summer on record and $5.2bn in ag losses from drought.

As much as Bachmann spews nonsense. This guy I'm sure will get his share in. As well as Rick Santorum. (among others) However they both seem to get a pass.

[A.J.]

Michele Bachmann today: The American people are concerned about "The Rise Of The Soviet Union". She's right. Although she forgot to specify "My 90 year old Aunt Gertie and her friends with alzheimers at the home yell that between puddings."

Don't forget the Warsaw Pact!

[Jujubees2]

Michele Bachmann today: The American people are concerned about "The Rise Of The Soviet Union". She's right. Although she forgot to specify "My 90 year old Aunt Gertie and her friends with alzheimers at the home yell that between puddings."

I heard the Soviet Union is moving missiles to Cuba. We'd better watch out.

[hanso]

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http://i.imgur.com/z8F5T.png

Marcus Bachmann is muy macho

[spoon]

wow am I sick of these idiotic pledges in politics

[keithy_19]

wow am I sick of these idiotic pledges in politics

They didn't ask you to sign again, huh?

[hanso]

The first one is to the public. Guess that one don't matter.

[cougarjake13]

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http://i.imgur.com/z8F5T.png

Marcus Bachmann is muy macho





:clap:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Does Waters want the teabaggers to visit her district ??




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[CurseoftheBambi]

good for her ..they should.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Theyll need to be heavily armed to go to her district of boyz in the hood

[CurseoftheBambi]

yeah cause all those teabaggers who went to dc all those times got shot up ...and those glenn beck fans who went to his Restore Honor...really what honor was restored??? and that map to avoid the green and yellow lines so they arent around the negros...

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Where the Becksters jamboree was held was not the part of DC that is more dangerous than Kandahar.

Waters district no paradise. Maybe a gangstas

[CurseoftheBambi]

well i guess they'll keep their Obama's ________________ signs the outta sight then.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

A failure? Whats so controversial about that

[WRESTLINGFAN]

BTW have we learned anything from the Giffords shooting? Why is Waters using such hateful language ? What happened to civility?

[cougarjake13]

BTW have we learned anything from the Giffords shooting? Why is Waters using such hateful language ? What happened to civility?

nothing sir

we've learned nothing

[CurseoftheBambi]

I would fill the blank in for your wrestling but i learned not to do this:wallbash: so have it your way.

[keithy_19]

Waters was fired up and just rolled with it. It wasn't the smartest thing to say but it is what it is.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I would fill the blank in for your wrestling but i learned not to do this:wallbash: so have it your way.

I know what you were eluding to.


If the teabaggers hate blacks so much why is Herman Cain one of their favorites?

[Jujubees2]

I know what you were eluding to.


If the teabaggers hate blacks so much why is Herman Cain one of their favorites?

One of their favorites? Try the token candidate.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

One of their favorites? Try the token candidate.

I saw his speech on cspan when he was announcing his run most of the crowd was white.

Blacks cant be nothing but democrats I guess, the rest are all Uncle Toms right?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Waters shouldnt worry about the teabaggers, she has her own ethics case to focus on

[WRESTLINGFAN]

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Anyone wearing a hat like that can't be taken seriously

[hanso]

Waters was fired up and just rolled with it. It wasn't the smartest thing to say but it is what it is.

She also did the same to others. She could have her own talk show down the road.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

what a shocker

http://news.yahoo.com/perry-signs-pledge-anti-gay-marriage-amendment-161046437.html

[Dude!]

what a shocker

http://news.yahoo.com/perry-signs-pledge-anti-gay-marriage-amendment-161046437.html

i guess he joined
the obama position

[brettmojo]

So voting Republican is not only the anti-black vote, but is now the anti-gay vote?

So what else is new?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So voting Republican is not only the anti-black vote, but is now the anti-gay vote?

So what else is new?

What if its Cain vs Obama

The whites sit out?

[epo]

What if its Cain vs Obama

The whites sit out?

That's an incredibly stupid statement.

[hanso]

So voting Republican is not only the anti-black vote, but is now the anti-gay vote?

So what else is new?

Uh-...womens rights???

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That's an incredibly stupid statement.

You took that literally?

Saying the GOP is against black votes isnt a stupid statement?


Allen West was elected in a mostly white district

but hes a sellout and an Uncle Tom or a token Black right?

[hanso]

He is a nut nutcase teabagger and was voted in only for the R by his name.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

But hes black.


But the teabaggers are racist right?

[hanso]

I doubt voters even knew. It was a rush to vote Rep. Look at the crook teabag Gov. voted in. Has the lowest approval rating in the nation.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I doubt voters even knew. It was a rush to vote Rep. Look at the crook teabag Gov. voted in. Has the lowest approval rating in the nation.

Florida is a fucked up state to begin with

[hanso]

Tea Party is fucked up.

The state has voted that way a long time now. The last Gov. was a moderate Rep. who got ousted over being so. He did well as AG and Gov. IMO. And someone who could have garnered a vote from me. These types are rare now.


As screwed up as the tea party is. It carries clout. And constituents pander to it. The lack of moderates in office has lead to major gridlock.

[Dude!]

gawd you are stupid
do you even have a clue
what 'constituent' means?

[hanso]

But hes black.


But the teabaggers are racist right?

Dick Cheney didn't like the blacks in high cabinet.Yet the tea party are chums with all blacks because of Congressman Allen West.

Can't wait to see any other examples you might muster up.

[spoon]

Cheney has a black heart, he can't be racist right!?

[hanso]

good1 spoon ^ Lol.

Khaddafy liked one in particular though.

[hanso]

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I bet Congressman Allen West gets tossed from the tea party. Over his momentary lapse of sanity in voting for the debt ceiling raise.

[Furtherman]

I don't know how much God has to do to get the attention of the politicians. We've had an earthquake; we've had a hurricane. He said, 'Are you going to start listening to me here?' Listen to the American people because the American people are roaring right now. They know government is on a morbid obesity diet and we've got to rein in the spending.

Bachmann: God sends message through natural disasters (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/08/michele-bachmann-hurricane-irene-message-from-god-/1)

Jesus tap-dancing christ. This is why anyone with an I.Q. over a toaster will not vote for her.

[CountryBob]

I hate it when they bring in God into politics

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Bachmann is not going to get the nomination. If she wins Iowa so what? Didnt Pat Robertson win? Other states like NH are not going to vote for her, if she wins the 1st caucus, shes going to get destroyed in the big primary states

[StanUpshaw]

And McCain got less than 1% in 2007

[A.J.]

Bachmann: God sends message through natural disasters (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/08/michele-bachmann-hurricane-irene-message-from-god-/1)

Jesus tap-dancing christ. This is why anyone with an I.Q. over a toaster will not vote for her.

God should try a new type of message because we sure as fuck didn't listen after 9/11 and Katrina.

[KnoxHarrington]

God should try a new type of message because we sure as fuck didn't listen after 9/11 and Katrina.

You know, here is my question for the "God uses disasters to send us messages" nutjobs: why couldn't God just, you know, send a message? Why couldn't He just, I dunno, suddenly appear in the sky above us and tell us exactly what he wants us to do and not do?

Having whole states get trashed by hurricanes and earthquakes seems like a terribly inefficient way of getting your point across.

[A.J.]

You know, here is my question for the "God uses disasters to send us messages" nutjobs: why couldn't God just, you know, send a message? Why couldn't He just, I dunno, suddenly appear in the sky above us and tell us exactly what he wants us to do and not do?

Having whole states get trashed by hurricanes and earthquakes seems like a terribly inefficient way of getting your point across.

According to the religions, God only speaks to His "prophets". I mean why should the almighty, all-knowing speak directly to all people? It's not like He could give a "State of the Universe" Address.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Like Joan Osbourne asked....


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[brettmojo]

According to the religions, God only speaks to His "prophets". I mean why should the almighty, all-knowing speak directly to all people? It's not like He could give a "State of the Universe" Address.
Actually... God only speaks through Alan Rickman because the voice of God is so powerful it would destroy any normal person's brain.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Maxine Waters isnt the most batshit crazy. Andre Carson has that honor now


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[hanso]

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Why would they even be chummy with the CBC this bagger is the only REP. on it.

I bet he is tossed from it, his party and office.

[hanso]

Bachmann is saying too much crazy crap to even keep up with anymore.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What happened to civility? How we forget about the giffords shooting. Remember words have meaning


http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/hoffa-on-tea-party-lets-take-these-sons-of-bitches-out/

[hanso]

What did you expect him to say? "Don't vote (part left out) for this man" as he brought Obama on to the stage?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

8 months ago Obama called to tone down the rhetoric. Hoffa could have made his statements differently without sounding like the stereotypical union boss. Im all for freedom of speech, however with all the lecturing from the president he looked like a hypocrite when he didnt refute Hoffas words

And BTW im sick of hearing that only union members and or democrats are the only "working people".

[foodcourtdruide]

8 months ago Obama called to tone down the rhetoric. Hoffa could have made his statements differently without sounding like the stereotypical union boss. Im all for freedom of speech, however with all the lecturing from the president he looked like a hypocrite when he didnt refute Hoffas words

And BTW im sick of hearing that only union members and or democrats are the only "working people".

Hoffa's a moron. Where did you hear union members and democrats are the only "working people"?

[KnoxHarrington]

To me, the reaction from the teabaggers to Hoffa's dumbass comments show what whiny little bitches they are. Yeah, the people who go to rallies with signs saying "We Came Unarmed (This Time)" and misspelled racial slurs are worried about political discourse being coarsened. Fuck them.

[hanso]

HOFFA: Everybody here's got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let's take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong! Thank you very much!


Where is the threat? And where does he mention the Tea Party?

[PapaBear]

HOFFA: Everybody here's got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let's take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong! Thank you very much!


Where is the threat? And where does he mention the Tea Party?
To be fair, you can't criticize Fox for editing, and then omit the part where he says he's talking about the Tea Party. And even if he didn't mention them, you'd be retarded to not know that's who he's talking about.

[hanso]

They may have edited that part too.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

To me, the reaction from the teabaggers to Hoffa's dumbass comments show what whiny little bitches they are. Yeah, the people who go to rallies with signs saying "We Came Unarmed (This Time)" and misspelled racial slurs are worried about political discourse being coarsened. Fuck them.

Sure its only teabaggers with offensive signs


http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/photo6.jpg

[Recyclerz]

Sadly for the guy with the sign, the vast majority are not.

[Bob Impact]

They may have edited that part too.

You're kidding right?
http://www.freep.com/article/20110906/NEWS15/110906056/Transcript-Teamsters-Jim-Hoffa-s-speech-Labor-Day


There is a war on workers. You see it everywhere: It is in the unemployment, it is in the Tea Party, it is in the people that fight what we believe in. And we see the war in Wisconsin where they try to take collective bargaining from our public employees. We took two senate seats back, we are taking Wisconsin back.
...
We have to keep an eye on the battle we face — a war on workers. And you see it everywhere there is the Tea Party. And you know there is only one way to beat and win that war.

The one thing about working people is we like a good fight. And you know what, they’ve got a war, they’ve got a war with us and there is only going to be one winner. It is going to be the workers of Michigan and America – we are going to win that war. All the way.

But it starts with your involvement, it starts with next November. We’ve got a bunch of people there that don’t’ want the president to succeed, and they are called the Tea Party – the people who don’t want him to do anything right and he is working hard for us.

President Obama is frustrated by what’s going on. Well, guess what, we’ve got the vote. And the answer to what we say is, we remember in November. We will beat the Tea Party and give this country back to workers and America. We can do it together.”
...
We are going to hear from President Obama in a few minutes, and I am so glad that he has come to Michigan because this is where he sees the real America. He looks out on this army of people and you know what I say? President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. President Obama, we want one thing: Jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs…(The crowd joins the chant.)

That’s what we are going to tell America…..When he sees what we are doing here, he will be inspired, but he needs help. And you know what? Everybody here has got a vote. If we go back, we keep the eye on the prize, lets take these sons-of-bitches out and give America back to America where we belong.”

[hanso]

Yes he did have words about the Tea Party. But what Fox kept misquoting was not that part of his speech.


HOFFA: Everybody here's got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let's take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong! Thank you very much!

[Syd]

It's hilarious how easily people are led by Fox News. They could literally go up and post shit off the Onion as news and people would go along with whatever was said, so long as it made them sufficiently angry about swarthy people.

oh, that's right, they already did that

http://www.mediaite.com/online/foxnation-com-repurposes-anti-obama-article-from-the-onion-forgets-to-mention-its-a-joke/

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Can we blame the IHOP shootings on Hoffa? Words have meaning

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Hoffa and Trumka must be proud


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[foodcourtdruide]

Hoffa and Trumka must be proud


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Riveting video.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Riveting video.

Heres an article, Making Hoffa proud

http://tdn.com/news/local/article_573cb9f8-d9b2-11e0-9dee-001cc4c002e0.html

[foodcourtdruide]

Heres an article, Making Hoffa proud

http://tdn.com/news/local/article_573cb9f8-d9b2-11e0-9dee-001cc4c002e0.html

It sounds like people were protesting, cops got involved and a few of the protestors were too rowdy or the cops were too rough, and some people got arrested. Why are you posting this? Do you ever have actual thoughts and opinions that aren't motivated by scoring a political point? Do we have to endure an RSS feed of union altercations for the next 6 months because you are now on a crusade against Jimmy Hoffa Jr?

If we agree that his rhetoric was too harsh, will you refrain from posting videos of stalled trains? Please?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It sounds like people were protesting, cops got involved and a few of the protestors were too rowdy or the cops were too rough, and some people got arrested. Why are you posting this? Do you ever have actual thoughts and opinions that aren't motivated by scoring a political point? Do we have to endure an RSS feed of union altercations for the next 6 months because you are now on a crusade against Jimmy Hoffa Jr?

If we agree that his rhetoric was too harsh, will you refrain from posting videos of stalled trains? Please?

If Union members have a gripe with mgmt, fine. However causing sabotage like this and when some of the verizon strikers were cutting cables and lines is over the line



Ok fair enough. Can we stop seeing links every time a member of the Palin family has a bowl of ice cream?

[Jujubees2]

If Union members have a gripe with mgmt, fine. However causing sabotage like this and when some of the verizon strikers were cutting cables and lines is over the line



Ok fair enough. Can we stop seeing links every time a member of the Palin family has a bowl of ice cream?

Nope, because it's so hot!!!!!!!!!

http://blogs.reuters.com/oddly-enough/files/2008/09/ice-cream-palin-300.jpg

[foodcourtdruide]

If Union members have a gripe with mgmt, fine. However causing sabotage like this and when some of the verizon strikers were cutting cables and lines is over the line



Ok fair enough. Can we stop seeing links every time a member of the Palin family has a bowl of ice cream?

Do you think someone is going to come on here and say, "NO WRESTLINGFAN, WE SHOULD ALLOW UNION MEMBERS TO CUT CABLES!" No one believes that. Why make that point?

Are you seriously putting Jimmy Hoffa Jr in the same place as Sarah Palin as far as influence and popularity goes? Really?

[disneyspy]

Do you think someone is going to come on here and say, "NO WRESTLINGFAN, WE SHOULD ALLOW UNION MEMBERS TO CUT CABLES!" No one believes that. Why make that point?

Are you seriously putting Jimmy Hoffa Jr in the same place as Sarah Palin as far as influence and popularity goes? Really?

hey your kicker is out,better change it in the next 15 minutes

[foodcourtdruide]

hey your kicker is out,better change it in the next 15 minutes

Already did. Nick Folk mother fucker!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Do you think someone is going to come on here and say, "NO WRESTLINGFAN, WE SHOULD ALLOW UNION MEMBERS TO CUT CABLES!" No one believes that. Why make that point?

Are you seriously putting Jimmy Hoffa Jr in the same place as Sarah Palin as far as influence and popularity goes? Really?

Palin has more name recognition, but is Hoffa not influential to his members?

[Syd]

fox made sure the word got out, but only after it was significantly edited to make sure people like WF were certain to buy up more shit from their advertisers and benefactors

[Bob Impact]

The ILWU contends that EGT is obligated to hire its members to run the new terminal under the company’s lease with the Port of Longview. Talks between the union and EGT broke off in January, and EGT this summer hired union workers from the International Operating Engineers local 701, based in Gladstone, Ore., to operate the terminal.

Trying to force a company to hire people from your union... priceless. Really sets the tone of oppressive management taking advantage of it's hard working staff.

Last week, a federal judge ordered a temporary restraining order against ILWU Local 21 in Longview and Local 4 in Vancouver barring illegal picketing against EGT. Union members have harassed and threatened EGT workers numerous times during the dispute, according to the NLRB.

That's a great ruling... Hey, union, no doing illegal stuff to this company! Way to take a stand.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Way to politicize 9/11 to further you agenda Dick

Only union members were killed

Only union members cleaned up the wreckage.

Still playing the Giffords and Racism card

Way to lump in legal immigrants with illegal aliens

Sure bring up the usual suspects Koch Limbaugh but say nothing of the crony capitalism with GE/Goldman Sachs GM Solyndra AND OTHERS

Concern about the LGBT community? Ask a typical teamster about the Gays ans such

http://www.aflcio.org/911_trumka.cfm


What would Trumkas members say about this ?


http://scottystarnes.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/obama_trumka.jpg?w=500&h=335

[Syd]

Great article on the modern GOP:

http://www.truth-out.org/goodbye-all-reflections-gop-operative-who-left-cult/1314907779

1. The GOP cares solely and exclusively about its rich contributors. The party has built a whole catechism on the protection and further enrichment of America's plutocracy. Their caterwauling about deficit and debt is so much eyewash to con the public. Whatever else President Obama has accomplished (and many of his purported accomplishments are highly suspect), his $4-trillion deficit reduction package did perform the useful service of smoking out Republican hypocrisy. The GOP refused, because it could not abide so much as a one-tenth of one percent increase on the tax rates of the Walton family or the Koch brothers, much less a repeal of the carried interest rule that permits billionaire hedge fund managers to pay income tax at a lower effective rate than cops or nurses. Republicans finally settled on a deal that had far less deficit reduction - and even less spending reduction! - than Obama's offer, because of their iron resolution to protect at all costs our society's overclass.

Republicans have attempted to camouflage their amorous solicitude for billionaires with a fog of misleading rhetoric. John Boehner is fond of saying, "we won't raise anyone's taxes," as if the take-home pay of an Olive Garden waitress were inextricably bound up with whether Warren Buffett pays his capital gains as ordinary income or at a lower rate. Another chestnut is that millionaires and billionaires are "job creators." US corporations have just had their most profitable quarters in history; Apple, for one, is sitting on $76 billion in cash, more than the GDP of most countries. So, where are the jobs?

Another smokescreen is the "small business" meme, since standing up for Mom's and Pop's corner store is politically more attractive than to be seen shilling for a megacorporation. Raising taxes on the wealthy will kill small business' ability to hire; that is the GOP dirge every time Bernie Sanders or some Democrat offers an amendment to increase taxes on incomes above $1 million. But the number of small businesses that have a net annual income over a million dollars is de minimis, if not by definition impossible (as they would no longer be small businesses). And as data from the Center for Economic and Policy Research have shown, small businesses account for only 7.2 percent of total US employment, a significantly smaller share of total employment than in most Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) countries.

Likewise, Republicans have assiduously spread the myth that Americans are conspicuously overtaxed. But compared to other OECD countries, the effective rates of US taxation are among the lowest. In particular, they point to the top corporate income rate of 35 percent as being confiscatory Bolshevism. But again, the effective rate is much lower. Did GE pay 35 percent on 2010 profits of $14 billion? No, it paid zero.

When pressed, Republicans make up misleading statistics to "prove" that the America's fiscal burden is being borne by the rich and the rest of us are just freeloaders who don't appreciate that fact. "Half of Americans don't pay taxes" is a perennial meme. But what they leave out is that that statement refers to federal income taxes. There are millions of people who don't pay income taxes, but do contribute payroll taxes - among the most regressive forms of taxation. But according to GOP fiscal theology, payroll taxes don't count. Somehow, they have convinced themselves that since payroll taxes go into trust funds, they're not real taxes. Likewise, state and local sales taxes apparently don't count, although their effect on a poor person buying necessities like foodstuffs is far more regressive than on a millionaire.

[TripleSkeet]

If Union members have a gripe with mgmt, fine. However causing sabotage like this and when some of the verizon strikers were cutting cables and lines is over the line



Ok fair enough. Can we stop seeing links every time a member of the Palin family has a bowl of ice cream?

Through that whole threa not one time do I remember hearing stories of union members cutting lines or cable. Not once. I heard plenty of stories of guys sitting in front of Verizon trucks so they could leave a job site until cops asked them to move. Always peacefully, never violent. Where do you come up with this shit?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I saw certain points of that article which stood out. For example The corporations and taxes. However why dont they point out that GE is headed by Jeff Immelt who has a high position in the WH. Turns out GE outsoirced its aviation and medical divisions to China

The 47% should pay some federal income taxes. Isn't it shared sacrifice? All men are created equal so they must contribute too

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Through that whole threa not one time do I remember hearing stories of union members cutting lines or cable. Not once. I heard plenty of stories of guys sitting in front of Verizon trucks so they could leave a job site until cops asked them to move. Always peacefully, never violent. Where do you come up with this shit?

Heres an article

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2011/08/18/verizon-phone-cables-cut-in-case-of-sabotage/

I dont think the cut lines were a result of some teenagers causing mischief

[Bob Impact]

Raising taxes on the wealthy will kill small business' ability to hire; that is the GOP dirge every time Bernie Sanders or some Democrat offers an amendment to increase taxes on incomes above $1 million. But the number of small businesses that have a net annual income over a million dollars is de minimis, if not by definition impossible (as they would no longer be small businesses).
lol no.

Manufacturing: Maximum number of employees may range from 500 to 1500, depending on the type of product manufactured;
Wholesaling: Maximum number of employees may range from 100 to 500 depending on the particular product being provided;
Services: Annual receipts may not exceed $2.5 to $21.5 million, depending on the particular service being provided;
Retailing: Annual receipts may not exceed $5.0 to $21.0 million, depending on the particular product being provided;
General and Heavy Construction: General construction annual receipts may not exceed $13.5 to $17 million, depending on the type of construction;
Special Trade Construction: Annual receipts may not exceed $7 million; and
Agriculture: Annual receipts may not exceed $0.5 to $9.0 million, depending on the agricultural product.

[Syd]

look up the definition of de minimis, hoss

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Blogs/The-Vault/2010/08/04/Vault-Would-Small-Business-Be-Hurt-by-Obamas-Tax-Plan.aspx#page1

But the United States has about 1.5 million small businesses, and the vast majority of business owners earn modest incomes. According to the Joint Tax Committee, only 750,000 people – about 3 percent of those who report positive net business income – would be affected by the higher rates.

“The data clearly shows that most small businesses would be completely unaffected by the higher rates,’’ said Chuck Marr, director of tax policy at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a liberal think tank. “For the last 30 years, we’ve had a tremendous concentration of income at the top for small businesses, just as we’ve seen for Americans in general.”

That doesn’t settle the debate. Even if only 3 percent of small business owners have incomes above $200,000, a raft of other studies show that an equally tiny share of small businesses account for much of the nation’s net job growth.

better protect that 3% by fucking over the 97% otherwise we might just have some form of democracy

[Bob Impact]

look up the definition of de minimis, hoss

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Blogs/The-Vault/2010/08/04/Vault-Would-Small-Business-Be-Hurt-by-Obamas-Tax-Plan.aspx#page1



better protect that 3% by fucking over the 97% otherwise we might just have some form of democracy

I'm well aware of what it means, it doesn't cover what you're trying to stretch to. Perhaps you, and whoever wrote the article you're quoting, should learn the difference between revenue, profit, and income.

[Syd]

Then you'd understand that any sort of tax increase that Obama supports isn't going to kill small businesses. Neither is reducing corporate tax rates -- companies are sitting on record amounts of income and there's no corresponding massive job growth.

Raising taxes encourages companies to spend some of that money on goods which increases demand. The other solution is to spur inflation so that money isn't simply left to rot away somewhere.

[Bob Impact]

Then you'd understand that any sort of tax increase that Obama supports isn't going to kill small businesses. Neither is reducing corporate tax rates -- companies are sitting on record amounts of income and there's no corresponding massive job growth.

Raising taxes encourages companies to spend some of that money on goods which increases demand. The other solution is to spur inflation so that money isn't simply left to rot away somewhere.

Fair enough reasoning (no, I don't agree with it)... That said I'm not arguing tax policy with you, I just have a sore spot with the lack of understanding of the definition of small businesses.

[epo]

Its nice to know that Tea Party hero Andrew Breitbart wants a civil war:

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Its comforting to know that the right takes rhetorical direction from this mess of humanity.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He looks like those day of rage protesters occupying Wall St

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Didnt know Krugman was once a teabagger. To be fair this was before anyone knew who he was


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904060604576570670305899208.html

[TripleSkeet]

Whatever happened to "Support Our Troops"?

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[PapaBear]

And now the video is private.

[StanUpshaw]

And now the video is private.

It's a video of a guy booing. You're not missing anything.

[PapaBear]

It's a video of a guy booing. You're not missing anything.
Just one guy? I thought it was like a crowd or something. Non issue.

[StanUpshaw]

Two, actually.

[PapaBear]

Two, actually.

You know, if one person, just one person does it they may think he's really sick and they won't take him. And if two people, two people do it, in harmony, they may think they're both faggots and they won't take either of them. And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in and start booing a gay soldier and walking out. They may think it's an organization. And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day, I said fifty people a day walking in and booing a gay soldier and walking out. And friends they may thinks it's a movement.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Perry booed


:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

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[hanso]

Three times (in a row) makes a rule. Santorum never thanked the solder for his service. Then went onto his homophobic rhetoric in which most of the crowd cheered.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Latest one to call teabaggers racist


http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2011/09/24/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/

[KnoxHarrington]

Latest one to call teabaggers racist


http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2011/09/24/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/

Yeah, I can't imagine why. What an unfair charge!

http://www.blueridgemuse.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/teapartyracism2.jpg

OK, OK, an isolated nut might slip through. This guy must be some random idiot, definitely not a leader in the movement...

Oh wait, he is? (http://www.blueridgemuse.com/node/3539)

[Judge Smails]

http://www.blueridgemuse.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/teapartyracism2.jpg


Maybe he's just a close family friend . . .

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

If teabaggers were racist, then why did Herman Cain win the straw poll in Florida. A large number of whites voted in Allen West. Cain has a lot of whites backing him.

[spoon]

If teabaggers were racist, then why did Herman Cain win the straw poll in Florida. A large number of whites voted in Allen West. Cain has a lot of whites backing him.

As a whole, of course they aren't all racist. However, saying people of a racist bent aren't attracted to this party like bugs to a light is an outright lie. I personally have had conversations with tea party affiliations and some of the things they say are completely out of line. The sad part is most think it's just good politics and national pride versus racist in any way. It really does remind me of extreme religious people who think anything done in their religion's name makes it right.

[hanso]

If teabaggers were racist, then why did Herman Cain win the straw poll in Florida. A large number of whites voted in Allen West. Cain has a lot of whites backing him.

From the batcrap nutty words that come from their mouths. The only one that speaks to anything close to the norm has a -1 in the polls.

[Jujubees2]

Yeah, I can't imagine why. What an unfair charge!

http://www.blueridgemuse.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/teapartyracism2.jpg

OK, OK, an isolated nut might slip through. This guy must be some random idiot, definitely not a leader in the movement...

Oh wait, he is? (http://www.blueridgemuse.com/node/3539)

Why are they making fun of Barney Frank?

Protesters taunted openly-day Democratic Congressman Barney Frank with “faggot,” “homo” and other homophobic slurs and called African-American Georgia Congressman John Lewis a “nigger” as he left the Cannon House Office Building on Capitol Hill.

Is there something wrong with being "openly-day"? I like day too. Does that make me a homo?

[Dan 'Hampton]

I wouldn't say racist. More like femmy or gay. Who drinks tea. And get your own historical reference faggots. Tea party belongs to Boston. In commie pinko Boston. You southern inbread sisterfuckers.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Boston 200+ years ago didnt excrete people out like Ted Kennedy

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why are they making fun of Barney Frank?

Protesters taunted openly-day Democratic Congressman Barney Frank with “faggot,” “homo” and other homophobic slurs and called African-American Georgia Congressman John Lewis a “nigger” as he left the Cannon House Office Building on Capitol Hill.

Is there something wrong with being "openly-day"? I like day too. Does that make me a homo?

Pot calling kettle. Oh nevermind

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[Dude!]

Boston 200+ years ago didnt excrete people out like Ted Kennedy

is "excrete" another word for "drown"?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The wit and wisdom of Garafalo is very sharp.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/janeane-garofalo-to-keith-olbermann-herman-cain-hides-the-racist-elements-of-the-republican-party/


So 2 years ago. The baggers were racist rednecks but now that Cain is popular with them they are hiding their racism.

[StanUpshaw]

Contrary evidence is actually evidence of the conspiracy! Don't you get it?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Was that ever proven?

there were cameras everywhere. The video would have gone viral if Nigger and Homo were yelled out.

[StanUpshaw]

http://i.imgur.com/lOmrv.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Enough with this 9 9 9 talk


Hows about we go the 6 6 6 route?

[epo]

If teabaggers were racist, then why did Herman Cain win the straw poll in Florida. A large number of whites voted in Allen West. Cain has a lot of whites backing him.

Because the way that Herman Cain explains racial issues in this nation to the GOP base makes him look like an Uncle Tom.

True Story.

[Kevin]

Because the way that Herman Cain explains racial issues in this nation to the GOP base makes him look like an Uncle Tom.

True Story.

I don't have facts to back this up but...

[Dude!]

Because the way that Herman Cain explains racial issues in this nation to the GOP base makes him look like an Uncle Tom.

you dem pols are terrified
of Cain...

you know that when the
blacks on the democrat plantation
find out that he is a real black man
(not half white) and that he is
descended from American slaves
(and not a Kenyan good-for-nothing)
that they will embrace him as
the real thing, not the half-white imposter
they were told to believe in

[Syd]

the only people terrified of herman cain are people with tvs that aren't bolted down

the corporate money is backing romney now
(and hedging their bet by backing obama as well)

[El Mudo]

If teabaggers were racist, then why did Herman Cain win the straw poll in Florida. A large number of whites voted in Allen West. Cain has a lot of whites backing him.

Do you also have black friends?

It's not "racism" that fuels the Tea Party as much as the concept of "white resentment", which was what fuelled Barry Goldwater and George Wallace and Ronald Reagan, who launched his political career off Goldwater's star. It started when the Feds had to go into the South to enforce Civil Rights and Voting Rights legislation, and it festered when every right-wing demagogue worth his salt blamed the nation's problems on the straw men of "welfare queens" and other assorted poor minorities (which in these days is illegal immigrants), instead of out-of-control defense spending combined with massive tax cuts that created huge deficits.

The modern conservative movement does not exist without either of those three mentioned, all of whom played off fears of Federal Government "interference" to establish their political agendas of making sure as much money stayed in the hands of the top earners as practicable.

And Herman Cain has as much of a chance of winning the Republican nomination as I do. He's the poor man's Alan Keyes.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Do you also have black friends?

It's not "racism" that fuels the Tea Party as much as the concept of "white resentment", which was what fuelled Barry Goldwater and George Wallace and Ronald Reagan, who launched his political career off Goldwater's star. It started when the Feds had to go into the South to enforce Civil Rights and Voting Rights legislation, and it festered when every right-wing demagogue worth his salt blamed the nation's problems on the straw men of "welfare queens" and other assorted poor minorities (which in these days is illegal immigrants), instead of out-of-control defense spending combined with massive tax cuts that created huge deficits.

The modern conservative movement does not exist without either of those three mentioned, all of whom played off fears of Federal Government "interference" to establish their political agendas of making sure as much money stayed in the hands of the top earners as practicable.

And Herman Cain has as much of a chance of winning the Republican nomination as I do. He's the poor man's Alan Keyes.


Black Asian and Legal Hispanic ones too

These straw men you are talking about arent the only cause of the nations problems but are a big contributor. Look at the illegal alien issue. When 3 million were given Amnesty it ballooned into 20 million today. We are simply saying enough of this. Enough of giving non citizens lavish entitlements. Enough of our cities and towns becoming 3rd world slums. Every other wave of immigrants wanted to blend in and were proud to leave their homelands. Illegals want handouts and demand citizenship. Kudos to States like Alabama Georgia and Arizona.

Im for gutting a lot of the military spending, Ron Paul made a good comparison btwn defense and military spending. Nothing wrong with defending the homeland but there is a shit ton wrong with spending billions on fighter jets, useless wars in the mid east/AfPak and having 700 bases around the world


People like Cornel West want to keep blacks down. Anyone who doesnt vote for Democrats is an oreo and Uncle Tom.

[El Mudo]

Black Asian and Legal Hispanic ones too

These straw men you are talking about arent the only cause of the nations problems but are a big contributor. Look at the illegal alien issue. When 3 million were given Amnesty it ballooned into 20 million today. We are simply saying enough of this. Enough of giving non citizens lavish entitlements. Enough of our cities and towns becoming 3rd world slums. Every other wave of immigrants wanted to blend in and were proud to leave their homelands. Illegals want handouts and demand citizenship. Kudos to States like Alabama Georgia and Arizona.

Im for gutting a lot of the military spending, Ron Paul made a good comparison btwn defense and military spending. Nothing wrong with defending the homeland but there is a shit ton wrong with spending billions on fighter jets, useless wars in the mid east/AfPak and having 700 bases around the world


People like Cornel West want to keep blacks down. Anyone who doesnt vote for Democrats is an oreo and Uncle Tom.


And yet, we have food rotting on the ground in Alabama (who just passed the toughest immigration laws in the nation) because no one's there to pick any of it. (http://www.chron.com/news/article/Immigration-law-author-tells-farmers-No-changes-2200451.php) And we have food rotting on the ground in Georgia (ditto)because there's no one there to pick any of it. (http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/georgias-new-immigration-law-leading-to-crops-rotting-in-farmers-fields/) The immigration problem is not as simple as saying "throw them all out!!!" as so many on the right seem to think so.

Of course. Cornel West's goal is to keep everyone poor and downtrodden. He's the real problem with America.

[El Mudo]

By the way, Cornel West backed Nader in 2000 and Sharpton in 04 before backing Kerry. And he also said this about Obama:

West criticized President Obama when Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009, saying that it would be difficult for Obama to be "a war president with a peace prize."[42] West further retracted his support for Obama in an April 2011 interview, stating that Obama is “a black mascot of Wall Street oligarchs and a black puppet of corporate plutocrats. And now he has become head of the American killing machine and is proud of it.”[

Just sayin'

[WRESTLINGFAN]

And yet, we have food rotting on the ground in Alabama (who just passed the toughest immigration laws in the nation) because no one's there to pick any of it. (http://www.chron.com/news/article/Immigration-law-author-tells-farmers-No-changes-2200451.php) And we have food rotting on the ground in Georgia (ditto)because there's no one there to pick any of it. (http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/georgias-new-immigration-law-leading-to-crops-rotting-in-farmers-fields/) The immigration problem is not as simple as saying "throw them all out!!!" as so many on the right seem to think so.

Of course. Cornel West's goal is to keep everyone poor and downtrodden. He's the real problem with America.

Those crops are sure rotting alright

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2011/10/alabama_immigration_law_farmer.html


No one wants to work in a slaughterhouse. Whites and blacks are too good for that. Ummm well


http://www.waaytv.com/news/local/story/Chicken-Plant-In-Albertville-Holds-Job-Fair/f8eB8EHOHEGDggoIcIEpzg.cspx


The line that apples would sell for $10 each is just bumper sticker slogans. If illegals leave the price would go up maybe a couple of cents over 1 year $10 at the most but not enough to make a dent in a wallet

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_wagesofagworkers



To the farmers who relied on illegal labor and paid them slave wages fuck em. There are dozens of guest worker programs for legal migrants.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

By the way, Cornel West backed Nader in 2000 and Sharpton in 04 before backing Kerry. And he also said this about Obama:



Just sayin'

"Cornel West publicly supported 2008 Democratic Presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama. He spoke to over 1,000 of his supporters at the Apollo Theater in Harlem, N.Y.C. on November 29, 2007.[41]"


Buyers remorse?

[El Mudo]

Those crops are sure rotting alright

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2011/10/alabama_immigration_law_farmer.html


No one wants to work in a slaughterhouse. Whites and blacks are too good for that. Ummm well


http://www.waaytv.com/news/local/story/Chicken-Plant-In-Albertville-Holds-Job-Fair/f8eB8EHOHEGDggoIcIEpzg.cspx


The line that apples would sell for $10 each is just bumper sticker slogans. If illegals leave the price would go up maybe a couple of cents over 1 year $10 at the most but not enough to make a dent in a wallet

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_wagesofagworkers

So the answer to solve farm labor problems are workers from a temporary program and convicts? Well gee, if it can work well enough to fight fires (http://jacksonville.com/news/georgia/2011-10-09/story/camden-county-considering-inmate-firefighter-program-0), I guess the problem is solved! More convicts please!

Early this week, he took the first volunteers to a sweet potato farm in Cullman just to see how it worked. On Wednesday, a team of five tackled a tomato farm. And on Thursday, about 20 people showed up and sales and marketing manager Malinda St. James, who was answering the phone in the office, said she had pages of names. Participants included recent college students and others who were unemployed

He'll likely have requests for help from other farmers, such as Jeff Smith, who also grows tomatoes on Chandler Mountain. He said his farm usually has about 47 people picking tomatoes at peak times, but the workforce dropped about 30 percent when the law was passed and another 30 percent when the court ruling came through.

"It's a huge problem. We're just picking up who we can and getting them in the field," he said. "Next year, if something's not put in place, we'll probably go out of business."




My point still stands.

[El Mudo]

The second link

A company spokesperson says the illegal immigration law is causing some impacts on the Albertville plant. Since Wednesday some Hispanic employee's who are American citizens have not shown up for work. Job applicant Ashley Avila is looking for work, she is married to a Hispanic who is an illegal immigrant.
"Well I came to look for a job because my husband lost his construction job" Avila said. "They told him he couldn't work anymore because he's illegal and he's about to be deported to Mexico".



Again, does not disprove what I've said.

The price going up or not is a moot point. What matters is there's produce rotting on the ground and farms about to go belly up because no one's there to pick it.

[El Mudo]

"Cornel West publicly supported 2008 Democratic Presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama. He spoke to over 1,000 of his supporters at the Apollo Theater in Harlem, N.Y.C. on November 29, 2007.[41]"


Buyers remorse?

So he's not allowed to change his mind?

Besides, the guy is about as much of a "Democrat" as Rush Limbaugh is.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The second link



Again, does not disprove what I've said.

And it doesn't matter if the price goes up or not. What matters is there's produce rotting on the ground and farms about to go belly up because no one's there to pick it.

Legal residents and American citizens who dont show up for work are just plain stupid. They can not be deported

For illegals, fuck them too. They knew they were coming here illegally.

Did you see that picture of American citizens filling out forms at the job fair for that chicken processing plant? Those arent convicts or on work release.

Again. With the guest worker program, Any business relying on cheap illegal labor deserves to go out of business.


The article from FAIR proves that $10 apples will never happen. Just scare tactics from the open border pro Amnesty crowd


These jobs were here before the illegals, It was just the greedy business owners who wanted to play slave wages and exploit workers because they have no one to complain to.


They can move to Texas and CA. Perry and Moonbeam will reward them with in state tutition

[Syd]

it's not $10 apples, it's $.50c apples or whatever. The same way people are fine with outsourcing jobs because it makes our HDTVs $50 cheaper. People just want cheap shit and don't care about the long term impact.

[StanUpshaw]

it's not $10 apples, it's $.50c apples or whatever. The same way people are fine with outsourcing jobs because it makes our HDTVs $50 cheaper. People just want cheap shit and don't care about the long term impact.

So you agree with WF?

[StanUpshaw]

http://i.imgur.com/zmc0L.png

[TripleSkeet]

it's not $10 apples, it's $.50c apples or whatever. The same way people are fine with outsourcing jobs because it makes our HDTVs $50 cheaper. People just want cheap shit and don't care about the long term impact.

Problem is if the corporations were willing to take a little less profit they could do both, have their products built here by Americans and sell them to consumers at a reasonable price. Their greed is the only thing standing in the way.

[Dude!]

Problem is if the corporations were willing to take a little less profit they could do both, have their products built here by Americans and sell them to consumers at a reasonable price. Their greed is the only thing standing in the way.

and the greed of the American consumer
as manifest in their moving their business
to Walmart, Costco and other places
that moved all production overseas
to make things as cheap as possible
for the cheap American consumer
who would rather have a shitty product
at a cheap price than a good product
at a slightly higher price

if you shop at these places
then you are part of the problem

[Melk]

The article from FAIR proves that $10 apples will never happen. Just scare tactics from the open border pro Amnesty
I completely agree with this. The $14 head of cabbage is a total myth. If an Illinois nail manufacturer can make nails for only a 1% difference in cost compared to the Chinese makers, how the heck is there going to be a 2600% increase in the cost of produce.

I just finished living in Japan for 5 years, they had expensive domestic produce, but the quality of fruit was infinitely better than American grocery store produce and the cost difference was like 50%-200% higher than US prices. Big deal. I discard so much grocery produce in the states due to poor quality that I essentially pay the same I did in Japan.

[StanUpshaw]

I believe that other countries should have to pay us to grow out own food and then also pay us eat it ourselves.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

you dem pols are terrified
of Cain...

you know that when the
blacks on the democrat plantation
find out that he is a real black man
(not half white) and that he is
descended from American slaves
(and not a Kenyan good-for-nothing)
that they will embrace him as
the real thing, not the half-white imposter
they were told to believe in

Not a Cain supporter but notice the Obama worshippers are not praising Herman Cains story?

Born and lived in the deep south. Went to Moorehouse. Became an Exec at Burger King. Was a CEO of a Pizza chain. Served on the Bd of the KC Fed Reserve.


He achieved the dream MLK wanted. But hes not Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson or any other self appointed poverty pimping Black-tivists


They hate him, Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell and others

[TripleSkeet]

and the greed of the American consumer
as manifest in their moving their business
to Walmart, Costco and other places
that moved all production overseas
to make things as cheap as possible
for the cheap American consumer
who would rather have a shitty product
at a cheap price than a good product
at a slightly higher price

if you shop at these places
then you are part of the problem

The problem is these places have killed ll small business competition around them. If I dont shop at these places where I live theres nowhere else to get what I need. Theres one small grocery store around here that we can get some milk, eggs, stuff like that. But anything else we need its either go to a big corporate store or go without it.

Like I said, they could keep the jobs here in America and keep the same prices by accepting a slightly less profit, but their greed will never allow it.

[StanUpshaw]

The problem is these places have killed ll small business competition around them. If I dont shop at these places where I live theres nowhere else to get what I need. Theres one small grocery store around here that we can get some milk, eggs, stuff like that. But anything else we need its either go to a big corporate store or go without it.

Like I said, they could keep the jobs here in America and keep the same prices by accepting a slightly less profit, but their greed will never allow it.

In other words, your greed is more important than their greed.

[Dude!]

In other words, your greed is more important than their greed.

precisely

[StanUpshaw]

As long as we're clear.

[Syd]

So you agree with WF?

I agree with WF on many things actually, but in particular this. I'd rather pay 25% more on produce if it meant that the people working the farms were making at least minimum wage instead of being transient/undocumented workers being exploited for the maximum possible profit margin.

That's the big problem with supply side/trickle down economics. There's no incentive to pass the savings along to the consumer. It's better to show higher profits to shareholders/investors than it is to reward customers with lower prices. After 30 years of this I'm not sure why people aren't interested in looking at demand side economics once again. The vast majority of the country is less wealthy than their parents and that trend looks to continue.

[TripleSkeet]

In other words, your greed is more important than their greed.

Its greedy to think products should be affordable?

[StanUpshaw]

I agree with WF on many things actually, but in particular this. I'd rather pay 25% more on produce if it meant that the people working the farms were making at least minimum wage instead of being transient/undocumented workers being exploited for the maximum possible profit margin.

That's the big problem with supply side/trickle down economics. There's no incentive to pass the savings along to the consumer. It's better to show higher profits to shareholders/investors than it is to reward customers with lower prices. After 30 years of this I'm not sure why people aren't interested in looking at demand side economics once again. The vast majority of the country is less wealthy than their parents and that trend looks to continue.

The big problem this populist claptrap is that it ignores globalization entirely. We're sure as fuck trickling down, but we're trickling on the developing world. You're ignoring the hundreds of millions raised out of ACTUAL poverty and instead you're obsessed with a bunch of first worlders who can't keep up with the Jonses.

You can label it with whatever pejoratives you'd like, but the "race to the bottom" is, in fact, the equilibration of the global labor market, and there's no stopping it. You can throw up your trade barriers to ensure you get to keep your piece of the pie, but you're doing it at the expense of human misery around the globe.

But hey, power to the (chosen) people, am i rite?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I agree with WF on many things actually, but in particular this. I'd rather pay 25% more on produce if it meant that the people working the farms were making at least minimum wage instead of being transient/undocumented workers being exploited for the maximum possible profit margin.

That's the big problem with supply side/trickle down economics. There's no incentive to pass the savings along to the consumer. It's better to show higher profits to shareholders/investors than it is to reward customers with lower prices. After 30 years of this I'm not sure why people aren't interested in looking at demand side economics once again. The vast majority of the country is less wealthy than their parents and that trend looks to continue.

If I might add, I dont think prices for lettuce would go up 20%, but I would not mind paying a little more knowing that my tax dollars wouldnt be pissed away for the education, healthcare, food stamps, welfare, school breakfast and lunches, housing subsidies, prenatal care etc. Plus add in the cost of imprisonment, youre talking hundreds of billions of dollars.

[StanUpshaw]

Its greedy to think products should be affordable?

YES! You want more for less! What else do you call it?

[Syd]

The big problem this populist claptrap is that it ignores globalization entirely. We're sure as fuck trickling down, but we're trickling on the developing world. You're ignoring the hundreds of millions raised out of ACTUAL poverty and instead you're obsessed with a bunch of first worlders who can't keep up with the Jonses.

You can label it with whatever pejoratives you'd like, but the "race to the bottom" is, in fact, the equilibration of the global wage market, and there's no stopping it. You can throw up your trade barriers to ensure you get to keep your piece of the pie, but you're doing it at the expense of human misery around the globe.

But hey, power to the (chosen) people, am i rite?

So, America should impose poverty on it's own citizens to help others out of poverty? Furthermore, do you honestly think that Chinese, Indians and Mexicans aren't still in destitute poverty even though they're making goods for western consumers? It's not like Intel or Nike comes over and immediately uplifts an entire area to middle class standards. It's arguable that they don't even lift an area up at all because they pay extremely low wages and once the workers demand higher wages, the factory simply moves elsewhere. Plus, you have instances like the AMD factories in the Phillipines that had such deplorable safety standards that workers were being maimed left and right or Fiji water literally supporting a military junta or bauxite overflows/spills like the one that happened in Hungary or Brazil not too long ago.

I admire you for publicly taking the typical stance of "well it's our duty to hurt ourselves to help others" but you have to step back from the talking point and look at the conditions in the areas that are being "developed" by global trade. Getting people off of subsistence farming and into factories in under a generation isn't a way to create better living conditions for a society; it's just a way of exploiting poor people so that companies can have ever-increasing profits. Eventually we're going to run out of people to exploit for low wages, if we don't run out of natural resources first.

[StanUpshaw]

So, America should impose poverty on it's own citizens to help others out of poverty? Furthermore, do you honestly think that Chinese, Indians and Mexicans aren't still in destitute poverty even though they're making goods for western consumers? It's not like Intel or Nike comes over and immediately uplifts an entire area to middle class standards. It's arguable that they don't even lift an area up at all because they pay extremely low wages and once the workers demand higher wages, the factory simply moves elsewhere. Plus, you have instances like the AMD factories in the Phillipines that had such deplorable safety standards that workers were being maimed left and right or Fiji water literally supporting a military junta or bauxite overflows/spills like the one that happened in Hungary or Brazil not too long ago.

I admire you for publicly taking the typical stance of "well it's our duty to hurt ourselves to help others" but you have to step back from the talking point and look at the conditions in the areas that are being "developed" by global trade. Getting people off of subsistence farming and into factories in under a generation isn't a way to create better living conditions for a society; it's just a way of exploiting poor people so that companies can have ever-increasing profits. Eventually we're going to run out of people to exploit for low wages, if we don't run out of natural resources first.

I don't give a shit about other people. I care about my ideology of freedom, and care about the consistent, universal application of it. I don't pretend I care about "equality" and then apply it only to one certain political boundary I happen to be a part of.

[Syd]

But you realize the fallacy in your logic of hurting others in your quest to not hurt others, right?

more to the point, you're arguing for a wage-less society/against capitalism, so, welcome to the club.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Rick Perry has gone down in flames. Go back to Texas and keep coddling illegal aliens no more Texas governors in the WH

[StanUpshaw]

But you realize the fallacy in your logic of hurting others in your quest to not hurt others, right?

more to the point, you're arguing for a wage-less society/against capitalism, so, welcome to the club.

The only thing I'm arguing is that any system that relies on the violent coercion of the state is wrong, and should be abhorred.

Any other conclusions you've drawn are faulty.

[Syd]

Violent coercion? Where is that coming from?

Your talking point is stupid and everyone who brings it up is stupid because it advocates against capitalism, even though generally the people who spout it advocate the shit out of capitalism. Limbaugh or whoever thought it was a clever retort but they didn't think it through.

[StanUpshaw]

Look at you trying to associate me with Limbaugh instead of defending your nonsensical views. It's adorable!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Did anyone see Bill Maher last week? He canonized Steve Jobs who was some gentle pot smoking buddhist and was everything that some other CEO's arent.


Guess he doesnt view RF.NET



A friend of mine wrote this so I'm reposting as I think it should be known:



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Condolences to the family of Steve Jobs. That being said, I am sick to my stomach hearing every news outlet, talking head, and 'common man' deify this man simply because he was innovative and wealthy. This world has an unfortunate habit of idolizing the super-rich, regardless of the cost at which that wealth was gained (i.e..George Stienbrenner). "He was a pioneer"...."He was a genious"...and f...rom our President---"By building one of the planet’s most successful companies from his garage, he exemplified the spirit of American ingenuity." Really? After resuming control of Apple in 1997, Jobs eliminated all corporate philanthropy programs. Then, with his spirit of American ingenuity, he decided to ship ALL production jobs that were based in the U.S. overseas--for higher profit margins, of course. So, in conclusion, thank you Steve Jobs, and Phil Knight and so on...for doing your part in making America a third world country

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[Kevin]

Did anyone see Bill Maher last week? He canonized Steve Jobs who was some gentle pot smoking buddhist and was everything that some other CEO's arent.


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Condolences to the family of Steve Jobs. That being said, I am sick to my stomach hearing every news outlet, talking head, and 'common man' deify this man simply because he was innovative and wealthy. This world has an unfortunate habit of idolizing the super-rich, regardless of the cost at which that wealth was gained (i.e..George Stienbrenner). "He was a pioneer"...."He was a genious"...and f...rom our President---"By building one of the planet’s most successful companies from his garage, he exemplified the spirit of American ingenuity." Really? After resuming control of Apple in 1997, Jobs eliminated all corporate philanthropy programs. Then, with his spirit of American ingenuity, he decided to ship ALL production jobs that were based in the U.S. overseas--for higher profit margins, of course. So, in conclusion, thank you Steve Jobs, and Phil Knight and so on...for doing your part in making America a third world country

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Sounds like he would have made a perfect job Czar

[TripleSkeet]

YES! You want more for less! What else do you call it?

I dont want more for less. I want products at a fair and reasonable price. Thats greedy now? Im not asking for a $10,000 Ferrari but I think if companies used American workers and the products prices were still affordable it would benefit everyone involved. The problem is the corporate mindset isnt about helping people or country, its about squeezing that last fucking dime out of peoples pockets. If that means going to another country so they can pay slave wages, so be it.

Its not enough to have a successful company and just make money anymore. Its about hoarding as much profit as humanly possible even if that means basic humanity and responsibility has to take a back seat. I mean, there is a difference between capitalism and complete corporate greed, isnt there?

[Dude!]

I dont want more for less. I want products at a fair and reasonable price. Thats greedy now? Im not asking for a $10,000 Ferrari but I think if companies used American workers and the products prices were still affordable it would benefit everyone involved. The problem is the corporate mindset isnt about helping people or country, its about squeezing that last fucking dime out of peoples pockets. If that means going to another country so they can pay slave wages, so be it.

Its not enough to have a successful company and just make money anymore. Its about hoarding as much profit as humanly possible even if that means basic humanity and responsibility has to take a back seat. I mean, there is a difference between capitalism and complete corporate greed, isnt there?

how much does your bar
charge for a mixed drink?

i guarantee you your profit margin
is triple the "greediest" of the big corporations

[TripleSkeet]

how much does your bar
charge for a mixed drink?

i guarantee you your profit margin
is triple the "greediest" of the big corporations

I doubt it. Then again I dont work at some upscale NY club.

[hanso]

Legal residents and American citizens who dont show up for work are just plain stupid. They can not be deported

For illegals, fuck them too. They knew they were coming here illegally.

Did you see that picture of American citizens filling out forms at the job fair for that chicken processing plant? Those arent convicts or on work release.

Again. With the guest worker program, Any business relying on cheap illegal labor deserves to go out of business.


The article from FAIR proves that $10 apples will never happen. Just scare tactics from the open border pro Amnesty crowd


These jobs were here before the illegals, It was just the greedy business owners who wanted to play slave wages and exploit workers because they have no one to complain to.


They can move to Texas and CA. Perry and Moonbeam will reward them with in state tutition

What happened to your "hard work = more pay" Fact is the living wage has been stagnant for some 40 years now.

http://ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=91205

[TripleSkeet]

how much does your bar
charge for a mixed drink?

i guarantee you your profit margin
is triple the "greediest" of the big corporations

And it doesnt matter because its not the same thing. The owner making hundred grand or so a year isnt the same as a corporation making tens or hundreds of millions. At least hes got Americans working for him. And compared to most bars his prices are better then reasonable.

[StanUpshaw]

I dont want more for less. I want products at a fair and reasonable price. Thats greedy now?
You're playing semantics. You want a more favorable deal and you call it "fair." They want a more favorable deal and you cry "greed!" It's looking out for yourself either way you cut it.

Im not asking for a $10,000 Ferrari but I think if companies used American workers and the products prices were still affordable it would benefit everyone involved.
This is just magical thinking, so I don't see much point in answering. Globalization is a reality. If you want America to have a greater share in manufacturing, then you need to roll back the myriad regulations that prevent us from competing in that market. But that wouldn't fit into your blue collar Bruce Springsteen mythos, now would it?

Alternatively, you could erect crippling trade barriers. God only knows what happens at that point, but you can bet other countries won't be too eager to buy from us, or sell us the other shit we CAN'T obtain domestically. How well do you think we'll fare when no one is willing to sell us oil? Do you really think this will lead to anyone being better off?

The problem is the corporate mindset isnt about helping people or country, its about squeezing that last fucking dime out of peoples pockets. If that means going to another country so they can pay slave wages, so be it.

Its not enough to have a successful company and just make money anymore. Its about hoarding as much profit as humanly possible even if that means basic humanity and responsibility has to take a back seat. I mean, there is a difference between capitalism and complete corporate greed, isnt there?

As Smith said, “It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we can expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest.”

Nothing has changed. They are succeeding because they give customers what they want. If customers wanted "humanity and responsibility," then that's what they'd deliver. But it turns out nobody really cares about that; it's just self righteous indignation that allows you to feel like a victim. :smile:

[TripleSkeet]

Nothing has changed. They are succeeding because they give customers what they want. If customers wanted "humanity and responsibility," then that's what they'd deliver. But it turns out nobody really cares about that; it's just self righteous indignation that allows you to feel like a victim. :smile:

This is the only part I agree with. Nobody gives a shit about other people. Never has. This is why the country is doomed. It is just going to get worse. I dont think its about "making yourself feel like a victim" though. I think the country has let down its people and as long as it doesnt effect them, most people dont care.

Its like everything else. Nobody cares about the smoking ban, unless they smoke. Nobody cares that pot is illegal, unless they smoke pot. Nobody cares about higher taxes on soda, unless they drink soda. Thing is, as the country deteriorates, it will eventually effect more people. Thats when they will begin to care. By that time it may be too late, who knows.

And yes if I was king of the world and could do whatever I wanted I would outlaw these companies from outsourcing their jobs. Too bad theres no way it could ever happen.

[Syd]

You're playing semantics. You want a more favorable deal and you call it "fair." They want a more favorable deal and you cry "greed!" It's looking out for yourself either way you cut it.

He's arguing fair for the many at the limitation of the greed of the few.

Also, you keep dodging the question on where you came up with violent coercion. I really want to hear your answer because I checked all over Conservapedia and didn't see anything on it.

[sailor]

And yes if I was king of the world and could do whatever I wanted I would outlaw these companies from outsourcing their jobs. Too bad theres no way it could ever happen.

if you were king of the whole world, what would it matter?

[StanUpshaw]

He's arguing fair for the many at the limitation of the greed of the few.

Also, you keep dodging the question on where you came up with violent coercion. I really want to hear your answer because I checked all over Conservapedia and didn't see anything on it.

It's the very nature of the state.

"Do what we say or we'll send men with guns to find you."




Maybe you should try anarchopedia instead.

[TripleSkeet]

if you were king of the whole world, what would it matter?

I always try to look out for the little people.

Its funny you say that though because honestly, Im pretty sure that is the mindset of the people running these mega million dollar businesses.

[Syd]

It's the very nature of the state.

"Do what we say or we'll send men with guns to find you."




Maybe you should try anarchopedia instead.

Even in the absence of state, the same shit happens.