Are we just too sensitive?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The writer of this article is upset that Herman Cains former company makes light of Americans of Italian background being assiciated with the mob.


As someone in that demographic who cares? Some dopey Pizza chain making comericals in spoofing the godfather doesnt bother me.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2011/06/22/2011-06-22_the_stereotype_herman_cain_couldnt_refuse_his_o ld_pizza_chain_endlessly_mocks_it.html

[A.J.]

The most offensive thing is calling that crap "pizza".

[sailor]

The most offensive thing is calling that crap "pizza".

Probably better than CT pizza.

[Gutter]

I think the silver lining of that article is that at least the people commenting are shredding that asshole who wrote it to pieces.

[A.J.]

Probably better than CT pizza.

If you weren't my boss, I'd give you a week's vacation.

[Furtherman]

The most offensive thing is calling that crap "pizza".

Probably better than CT pizza.

Oh no you didn't!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Probably better than CT pizza.

CT Pizza is the same as NY

I forgot the name of that pizza place in New Haven A J probably knows about it. People line up around the block for it

[A.J.]

CT Pizza is the same as NY

I forgot the name of that pizza place in New Haven A J probably knows about it. People line up around the block for it

Pepe's, Sally's and/or Modern.

[realmenhatelife]

But what do you mean 'we,' it's an article written by one guy who isn't even making a particularly good point about another guy who will never win the nomination.

[sailor]

If you weren't my boss, I'd give you a week's vacation.

You're too sensitive.

[TjM]

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-i6vrjyOT9c8/TYIfnZhUM0I/AAAAAAAAAG4/n5cp3y5XkVk/s1600/100_5078.jpg

[Dude!]

Are we just too sensitive?

Do you even have to ask that?

Please.


Italians have always had remarkably
good humor about things
they should be the role
model for other "minorities"

the Polish, even more so

if you just ignore slurs,
or laugh along at bad racial jokes
they lose their impact
and the slurrer stops slurring

niggers and fags could learn
a lesson from Italians and Poles

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Goofy? yes, but not offensive

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[Furtherman]

But what do you mean 'we,' it's an article written by one guy who isn't even making a particularly good point about another guy who will never win the nomination.

Obviously it's a feeling across the nation. There's a war on Christmas too!

[A.J.]

WF: more racial insensitivity right in your own back yard. (http://www.cafegoodfellas.com/home2.html)

[Furtherman]

A place in Hoboken just opened up called Johnny Pepperoni's.

Insensitive wops.

[TripleSkeet]

I think the silver lining of that article is that at least the people commenting are shredding that asshole who wrote it to pieces.

Of course it is. Theres nothing Italians hate more then whiny people who happen to have an Italian last name, claiming the entire Italian base is offended by something we enjoy. There will never be an Italian version of Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton in this country. Because we embrace our stereotypes. We laugh at them the way they should be laughed at.

And we enjoy books, movies and tv shows that celebrate Italian life. Even if its molded around mob stories or pizza restaurants. These dumb fucks are the same ones that tried to have the Sopranos taken off the air when a huge part of its fanbase was Italians. They were fighting the same group they were claiming to respresent.

Dude is right, the blacks and gays could learn a few things from the Italians on how to deal with stereotypes.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

WF: more racial insensitivity right in your own back yard. (http://www.cafegoodfellas.com/home2.html)

Probably not a place you will hear Dean Martin and Sinatra. $22 for pasta and meatballs is pricey.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

A place in Hoboken just opened up called Johnny Pepperoni's.

Insensitive wops.

Day go for the atmosphere and authenticity of the Hoboken of Sinatras days

[Dude!]

Day go for the atmosphere and authenticity of the Hoboken of Sinatras days

did you hear about
the new Italian tires?

when dago flat
dago 'wop wop wop wop'

[WRESTLINGFAN]

did you hear about
the new Italian tires?

when dago flat
dago 'wop wop wop wop'

Only on a FIAT Fix It Again Tony :lol::lol::lol:

[TripleSkeet]

did you hear about
the new Italian tires?

when dago flat
dago 'wop wop wop wop'

One of my favorites was always "Why do Italians grow mustaches? To look like their mothers."

Another was
"How do you know Jesus was Italian?"
- He drank wine with every meal.
- He had the same 12 friends his whole life.
- His mother thought he was God.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why dont Italians have freckles? They slide off

What do you say to an Italian in a 3 piece suit? Will the defendant please rise.

Why are italian men named Tony? When they left Italy they stamped TO NY on them

Why does the new Italian navy have glass bottom boats? To see the old Italian navy

[TripleSkeet]

Why dont Italians have freckles? They slide off

What do you say to an Italian in a 3 piece suit? Will the defendant please rise.

Why are italian men named Tony? When they left Italy they stamped TO NY on them

Why does the new Italian navy have glass bottom boats? To see the old Italian navy

Come on! Thats a black joke!

[sailor]

Come on! Thats a black joke!

Same difference.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Same difference.

Only applies to Sicilians

[Snacks]

Do you even have to ask that?

Please.


Italians have always had remarkably
good humor about things
they should be the role
model for other "minorities"

the Polish, even more so

if you just ignore slurs,
or laugh along at bad racial jokes
they lose their impact
and the slurrer stops slurring

niggers and fags could learn
a lesson from Italians and Poles

Of course it is. Theres nothing Italians hate more then whiny people who happen to have an Italian last name, claiming the entire Italian base is offended by something we enjoy. There will never be an Italian version of Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton in this country. Because we embrace our stereotypes. We laugh at them the way they should be laughed at.

And we enjoy books, movies and tv shows that celebrate Italian life. Even if its molded around mob stories or pizza restaurants. These dumb fucks are the same ones that tried to have the Sopranos taken off the air when a huge part of its fanbase was Italians. They were fighting the same group they were claiming to respresent.

Dude is right, the blacks and gays could learn a few things from the Italians on how to deal with stereotypes.

For the most part you are both right. Italians came to this country, were treated like shit and just did what they had to do to better their lives rather then bitch about it and get shit for free. I think thats why so many Italians seem to be against others getting shit for free because they feel they were treated the same way as the current minorites but never wanted nor got anything handed to them. They were also 1 of the 1st that came here and embraced being American and learned the language. That another thing that pisses Italians off about the current immigrants. Instead of learning the language they do everything to avoid it.

This all being said the Italians dont always just laugh at themselves or not take offense. Does anyone remember not even 2 years ago all the shit that the Italian American orgs tried to pull against Jersey Shore? They tried hard to keep it off the air and were very upset with the term guido and how the show portrayed Italians.

[hanso]

MLC may see this and get some ideas.

First step pizza next step the White House.

[StanUpshaw]

Boy, we Italians sure are great!

I've never seen a race so tirelessly pat themselves on the back like you fuckin gindaloons do.

[keithy_19]

http://watchdogmilwaukee.com/wp-content/uploads/IrishNeedNotApply.jpg

Wait, what?

[TripleSkeet]

This all being said the Italians dont always just laugh at themselves or not take offense. Does anyone remember not even 2 years ago all the shit that the Italian American orgs tried to pull against Jersey Shore? They tried hard to keep it off the air and were very upset with the term guido and how the show portrayed Italians.

No see thats what I mean. Those assholes dont represent most Italians. Those are the same people that tried to get the Sopranos pulled off the air. Most Italians didnt give a shit about the Jersey Shore show and like myself, watched it laugh at those clowns. If anything, they shouldve just pointed out how 3 of the 8 cast members arent Italian.

[Snacks]

No see thats what I mean. Those assholes dont represent most Italians. Those are the same people that tried to get the Sopranos pulled off the air. Most Italians didnt give a shit about the Jersey Shore show and like myself, watched it laugh at those clowns. If anything, they shouldve just pointed out how 3 of the 8 cast members arent Italian.

2 aren't Italian. Ronnie is half Italian and half PR, JWOWW isnt Italian and Snookie is from Chile but then again she was raised by Italians in a 100% Italian household.

[TripleSkeet]

2 aren't Italian. Ronnie is half Italian and half PR, JWOWW isnt Italian and Snookie is from Chile but then again she was raised by Italians in a 100% Italian household.

Know what that means? It means shes Chilean.

And Ronnie counts as 3. We aint accepting halfies here. Especially when they use there moms last name because there Daddys isnt Italian. No self respecting Italian would be ashamed of his fathers name.

[Syd]

For the most part you are both right. Italians came to this country, were treated like shit and just did what they had to do to better their lives rather then bitch about it and get shit for free. I think thats why so many Italians seem to be against others getting shit for free because they feel they were treated the same way as the current minorites but never wanted nor got anything handed to them. They were also 1 of the 1st that came here and embraced being American and learned the language. That another thing that pisses Italians off about the current immigrants. Instead of learning the language they do everything to avoid it.

Did you post this while sitting at a restaurant in Little Italy?

All immigrants integrate up to a point, but they bring something to the proverbial melting point. Italians are still non-whites and Catholics -- they're certainly on the inside looking in with a fair amount of racial prejudice against them. As much as against blacks? Not by a longshot. They're still not integrated because their skin tone is different and, stereotypically, aren't Protestants. They're not particularly more integrated than Hispanics because of that. Sure, speaking English helps but there's still dividing lines that are clear to WASPs.

[Snacks]

Did you post this while sitting at a restaurant in Little Italy?

All immigrants integrate up to a point, but they bring something to the proverbial melting point. Italians are still non-whites and Catholics -- they're certainly on the inside looking in with a fair amount of racial prejudice against them. As much as against blacks? Not by a longshot. They're still not integrated because their skin tone is different and, stereotypically, aren't Protestants. They're not particularly more integrated than Hispanics because of that. Sure, speaking English helps but there's still dividing lines that are clear to WASPs.

I agree with all of that (Except Little Italy, haven't been there in awhile) Italians have never been considered white (only recently have the 2nd and 3rd generations called themselves white) But for the most part they were treated and talked down to like shit for years.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

My woman is Filipina she sent this to me a while back. She and I got a good laugh over it


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[A.J.]

For the most part you are both right. Italians came to this country, were treated like shit and just did what they had to do to better their lives rather then bitch about it and get shit for free. I think thats why so many Italians seem to be against others getting shit for free because they feel they were treated the same way as the current minorites but never wanted nor got anything handed to them. They were also 1 of the 1st that came here and embraced being American and learned the language. That another thing that pisses Italians off about the current immigrants. Instead of learning the language they do everything to avoid it.

My great-grandparents came here from Italy around 1900. They never went back to visit Italy and gave their kids American names. They said "we're American now". And while their parents spoke very little English, none of my grandparents or their siblings speak Italian. Which kind of sucks because all the Italian kids I know whose folks came over in the second wave speak both English and Italian fluently. I'm the only one in my family who spoke Italian so I could translate my great-grandparents' old letters.

I've said this before: I've been to parts of the world where people can speak two or more languages fluently. We do ourselves a disservice but not being as capable.

[RoseBlood]

Know what that means? It means shes Chilean.

Biologically she may be, but her ethnicity is Italian because that is the one she identifies with.

There are more genetic differences within ethnic groups than between them, so the idea of which ethnic group we belong too exists in the mind more than the body.

But the question still remains, is she a wop or a spic?

[disneyspy]

Biologically she may be, but her ethnicity is Italian because that is the one she identifies with.

There are more genetic differences within ethnic groups than between them, so the idea of which ethnic group we belong too exists in the mind more than the body.

But the question still remains, is she a wop or a spic?

she's just a disgusting mess

[sailor]

A wopspicle? A-boo.

[Snacks]

My great-grandparents came here from Italy around 1900. They never went back to visit Italy and gave their kids American names. They said "we're American now". And while their parents spoke very little English, none of my grandparents or their siblings speak Italian. Which kind of sucks because all the Italian kids I know whose folks came over in the second wave speak both English and Italian fluently. I'm the only one in my family who spoke Italian so I could translate my great-grandparents' old letters.

I've said this before: I've been to parts of the world where people can speak two or more languages fluently. We do ourselves a disservice but not being as capable.

Exactly how my family was. My father was the only child to speak Italian because he was the oldest. He never taught it to us but once we became adults he regretted that and wish we spoke both. The rest of his brothers were 1st gen and werent taught it. My Grandparents spoke only English to them. They were very proud and loved Italy but they would say the same thing "We are Americans" and they were so proud to be here and to be able to say that.

[Earlshog]

CT Pizza is the same as NY

I forgot the name of that pizza place in New Haven A J probably knows about it. People line up around the block for it

Pappa Johns?

[Gutter]

Pappa Johns?

something about that dude freaks me out. Like he's got a big ol puzzle basement in his quiet mansion in the hills where he keeps......trophies.

[realmenhatelife]

We actually are getting too sensitive, now that I think about it. We're getting too sensitive to other people being offended. When someone pipes up to say they're offended the whole situation gets put on trial, and everyone needs to decide who's right and who's wrong. It creates this instant cultural debt and then the people act as jury trying to assign that debt to the offended or the offensive. We've completely lost sight of how subjective it all is. The truth is something is offensive if it offends someone, it is not universally offensive, it is not eternally offensive, it is situationally, arguably, conditionally and only personally offensive. You cant blame people who are offended getting together and trying to assert themselves any more than you can blame a company for not wanting to alienate its customer base or an artist for wanting to exist outside of any constraint. The only people who is wrong is us, who have nothing to do with it, but still want to argue about it.

We are finger pointing little douche bags and every ounce of accusation we heap on someone who complains about hearing a gay slur, or someone who makes edgey jokes, is our own projected self loathing. These situation only exist for the audience that forms around them, like a gaper delay on the opposite side of the highway.

[TripleSkeet]

We actually are getting too sensitive, now that I think about it. We're getting too sensitive to other people being offended. When someone pipes up to say they're offended the whole situation gets put on trial, and everyone needs to decide who's right and who's wrong. It creates this instant cultural debt and then the people act as jury trying to assign that debt to the offended or the offensive. We've completely lost sight of how subjective it all is. The truth is something is offensive if it offends someone, it is not universally offensive, it is not eternally offensive, it is situationally, arguably, conditionally and only personally offensive. You cant blame people who are offended getting together and trying to assert themselves any more than you can blame a company for not wanting to alienate its customer base or an artist for wanting to exist outside of any constraint. The only people who is wrong is us, who have nothing to do with it, but still want to argue about it.

We are finger pointing little douche bags and every ounce of accusation we heap on someone who complains about hearing a gay slur, or someone who makes edgey jokes, is our own projected self loathing. These situation only exist for the audience that forms around them, like a gaper delay on the opposite side of the highway.

You know why? Because if the person being offended complains, and everyone else keeps quiet, that person gets their way. When people like the asshole that wrote this article complain, I think the best thing that could happen is that trail of comments telling him to shut the fuck up.

[TripleSkeet]

Biologically she may be, but her ethnicity is Italian because that is the one she identifies with.

There are more genetic differences within ethnic groups than between them, so the idea of which ethnic group we belong too exists in the mind more than the body.

But the question still remains, is she a wop or a spic?

Sorry, but I disagree. And shes a spic.

Let me put it this way. If a black baby is adopted and raised by a white WASP family, and he tries telling you hes white....what are you REALLY going to say? Id laugh and tell him he needs a better mirror in his house.

[TripleSkeet]

My great-grandparents came here from Italy around 1900. They never went back to visit Italy and gave their kids American names. They said "we're American now". And while their parents spoke very little English, none of my grandparents or their siblings speak Italian. Which kind of sucks because all the Italian kids I know whose folks came over in the second wave speak both English and Italian fluently. I'm the only one in my family who spoke Italian so I could translate my great-grandparents' old letters.

I've said this before: I've been to parts of the world where people can speak two or more languages fluently. We do ourselves a disservice but not being as capable.

Its funny, I know people like this. That came over and just wanted nothing to do with Italy anymore.

My dad came over here when he was 17. My grandmother STILL doesnt know how to speak english. She never had any interest in learning it, something my dad always criticized her for. My father learned the language and loves it here, but still has an appreciation for where he came from and has gone back plenty of times. Ive been there 3 times myself. His hometown is beautiful but poor.

I never understood the people that wanted to leave and "become just Americans". I can only imagine the time in their home town wasnt very happy and they would rather not remember it.

[Snacks]

Sorry, but I disagree. And shes a spic.

Let me put it this way. If a black baby is adopted and raised by a white WASP family, and he tries telling you hes white....what are you REALLY going to say? Id laugh and tell him he needs a better mirror in his house.

If a black baby was born in Italy and raised in Italy by an Italian family from Naples that black baby is more Italian then you are who was raised in America. I totally disagree with you. Your environment has as much to do with who you are as does your blood line maybe even more!

[TripleSkeet]

If a black baby was born in Italy and raised in Italy by an Italian family from Naples that black baby is more Italian then you are who was raised in America. I totally disagree with you. Your environment has as much to do with who you are as does your blood line maybe even more!

Right but thats not what Snooki is. Shes a Chilean baby, born in Chile, adopted by an Italian american family in America. Nothing there makes her Italian.

[Snacks]

Right but thats not what Snooki is. Shes a Chilean baby, born in Chile, adopted by an Italian american family in America. Nothing there makes her Italian.

But she was raised by Italian Americans and everything in her environment and the way she was raised is as if she was an Italian American. If they never discussed that she was adopted or was Chilean most people if not all would think she is Italian American!

[TripleSkeet]

But she was raised by Italian Americans and everything in her environment and the way she was raised is as if she was an Italian American. If they never discussed that she was adopted or was Chilean most people if not all would think she is Italian American!

Dude, you are what the fuck you are. You cant just say youre Italian because you grew up in Little Italy. It doesnt work that way.

The thing that annoys me about that is just be proud of what you are. Shes Chilean. She can say she loves the Italian culture and the way of life she got to experience by having Italian parents, but she should still be proud and embrace her real heritage.

[Snacks]

Dude, you are what the fuck you are. You cant just say youre Italian because you grew up in Little Italy. It doesnt work that way.

The thing that annoys me about that is just be proud of what you are. Shes Chilean. She can say she loves the Italian culture and the way of life she got to experience by having Italian parents, but she should still be proud and embrace her real heritage.

and if her parents never told her she was adopted she would only think she was Italian.

I understand you are what you are. My point is we are a product of our environment more then anything else. An Italian American from Texas is a different animal from an Italian American from Jersey. Just like a guido has always been considered an Italian American but truly there are tons of guidos that are other races. Its just that the guido culture was more represented in areas with more Italians and looking at most guidos you would think they were all Italian but they are not! So you are your environment!

[A.J.]

Dude, you are what the fuck you are. You cant just say youre Italian because you grew up in Little Italy. It doesnt work that way..

What if you started a role playing website?

[RoseBlood]

Sorry, but I disagree. And shes a spic.

Let me put it this way. If a black baby is adopted and raised by a white WASP family, and he tries telling you hes white....what are you REALLY going to say? Id laugh and tell him he needs a better mirror in his house.

If a black baby was born in Italy and raised in Italy by an Italian family from Naples that black baby is more Italian then you are who was raised in America. I totally disagree with you. Your environment has as much to do with who you are as does your blood line maybe even more!


Are we talking race, ethnicity or nationality cause the latter two are pretty much artificial concepts made up by humans, so does it really matter? I'm so confused. :unsure:

[TripleSkeet]

Are we talking race, ethnicity or nationality cause the latter two are pretty much artificial concepts made up by humans, so does it really matter? I'm so confused. :unsure:

A nationality is what nation you were either born in or descended from. You cant "be Italian" because you were raised by Italians. You cant just "be Irish" if youre raised by Irish people. If your descendants are from Italy, youre Italian. If they are from Ireland, and youre born and raised in Italy, your Irish-Italian.

To me it matters because those that abandon their heritage and try to claim one they like better just seem like self loathers to me. You can be Polish and love Italian culture. You can adopt it from the food, the style, even the language. But you should still be proud of what you are. Dont deny your heritage because you like another countries more.

[Furtherman]

A nationality is what nation you were either born in or descended from. You cant "be Italian" because you were raised by Italians. You cant just "be Irish" if youre raised by Irish people. If your descendants are from Italy, youre Italian. If they are from Ireland, and youre born and raised in Italy, your Irish-Italian.

To me it matters because those that abandon their heritage and try to claim one they like better just seem like self loathers to me. You can be Polish and love Italian culture. You can adopt it from the food, the style, even the language. But you should still be proud of what you are. Dont deny your heritage because you like another countries more.

If your descendants are from Ireland, and you're born and raised in Italy, you're still Irish decent, just an Italian national.

They're not abandoning their heritage, it's just a choice people make. But Roseblood is right - they're artificial concepts. I may be of Irish decent, but the only thing I have in common with Irish nationals is my name (and even that had an O' attached to it at one time, no more.) I'm American. Everyone born and raised here is - when they're ancestors came from doesn't matter, because if it truly did, technically - we'd all be Africans.

[A.J.]

I may be of Irish decent, but the only thing I have in common with Irish nationals is my name (and even that had an O' attached to it at one time, no more.) I'm American.

Ditto. Dad's side of the family dropped the O when they got here.

http://www.myfreshplans.com/images/no-irish.jpg

[TripleSkeet]

If your descendants are from Ireland, and you're born and raised in Italy, you're still Irish decent, just an Italian national.

They're not abandoning their heritage, it's just a choice people make. But Roseblood is right - they're artificial concepts. I may be of Irish decent, but the only thing I have in common with Irish nationals is my name (and even that had an O' attached to it at one time, no more.) I'm American. Everyone born and raised here is - when they're ancestors came from doesn't matter, because if it truly did, technically - we'd all be Africans.

Yea youre an American, of Irish decent. I dont think anyone here is claming to be a true Italian or anything like that while not being born there. Just like Im an American of Italian decent, where my dad is just Italian. But you cant just turn around and say, well I was adopted by Japanese people, so Im Japanese American, and consider that truth.

Its like hair color. If you are a brunette and dye your hair blonde, you can tell people youre a natural blonde, but it doesnt make it true.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If you are white have a dutch last name, born in the US but had previous generations of relatives living in Johannesburg you cant say youre African American

[StanUpshaw]

They're all pink on the inside
http://i.imgur.com/bvmPT.jpg

[cougarjake13]

They're all pink on the inside
http://i.imgur.com/bvmPT.jpg

greatest post ever


im hungry


hey earl we got any camel toe back there ?