Stinkface = Sex Offender!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Two 14-year olds being tagged as sex offenders for life for horseplay gone wrong (http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/07/teens_sex_offenders_horseplay.html)

This was bullying, not sexual contact. And this does not equal lifelong sex offender tag. So fucking dumb. It just shows how hysteria and dumb politicians make bad laws.

Bad defense lawyer, stupid judges, dumb law, just idiocy all around.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I thought this was a thread about Rikishi.


Idiotic move however, as usual its the usual hysteria about some goofy horseplay. Same thing when a kid brings a watergun to school. hes labeled the next Columbine shooters

[spoon]

yah, that's pretty bad

[Tenbatsuzen]

I thought this was a thread about Rikishi.


Idiotic move however, as usual its the usual hysteria about some goofy horseplay. Same thing when a kid brings a watergun to school. hes labeled the next Columbine shooters

Just wait til jersey finishes up all the legislation regarding Tyler Clementi.

[cougarjake13]

Just wait til jersey finishes up all the legislation regarding Tyler Clementi.

thought it was a mistrial

[Tenbatsuzen]

thought it was a mistrial

It hasn't even got to trial stage yet, and I'm talking about laws created from what happened to Clementi, not the criminal prosecution.

[Chigworthy]

It sounds like the court has no choice on the registration based on the wording of the law. But let's be honest, if you're 14 and you're raping a 12 y/o face with your asshole, your gonna end up a registrant anyway.

[TripleSkeet]

From what I understand its the parents of the 12 year olds that would have to insist on pressing charges of a sex crime before the prosecutor goes to a grand jury. Thats fucking ridiculous. These little jerk offs deserve about 100 hours of community service and maybe some counseling on bullying but thats it. How can you ruin somebodies life over a teenage prank? These kids will never be able to coach their kids little league teams, will have trouble getting into colleges or getting jobs all for a stupid joke. I dread when my kids become teenagers. I dont know how the fuck Im going to deal with the idiocy of other parents. The schools pretty much want no parts of what goes on on theuir own property and would rather just kick kids out at the first sign of trouble.

A friend of mine has a kid in grade school who knows a 13 year old who got into a fistfight with another kid, and that kids parents are tryiong to press criminal charges against him. Thats the kind of shit thats going to make me lose my mind.

[CountryBob]

Kid's dont know what they are doing most of the time - that's why they are kids. They havent matured yet - how can they be held to such strict standards?

[spoon]

Ur friend should fight those parents toe to toe!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Skeet's right. From the sound of this, this was either a stinkface or an atomic situp, and it's definitely in line with bullying, NOT sexual contact.

When you are 14, you do stupid things, but here's the kicker:

If the kids engaged in something that paralyzed the 12 year old or something, you know, REAL physical hurt, the kids would go to Juvie until they were 18, released, records sealed, no one would know any better.

Being a sex offender - Tier 1 or not - carries a stigma because anyone can look you up, find you, and ostracize you.

Basically what happened was, the kids got some really bad legal advice from whoever was defending them... and Megan's Law is freakin' draconian.

[Earlshog]

"Tossed salad ah you in some shit now" R.I.P. ODB

That parents vary in their opinion of raising children doesn't bother me. Well it does but that’s Liberal v conservative, Palestine v Israel, etc.

What I find mind boggling is this retarded interpretation of this law is on the books. Hopefully the law is amended by the state supreme court promptly.

I sincerely doubt think Megan's parents had a 14 year old bullying another student in mind when they campaigned for this law.

[sailor]

Yeah, it's over-board making them have to check-in for life, but let's not act like this wasn't a sexual assault.

[StanUpshaw]

Yeah, it's over-board making them have to check-in for life, but let's not act like this wasn't a sexual assault.

It's just arguing over semantics...but no, of course it wasn't sexual assault. That's why people think it's retarded.

[TripleSkeet]

Yeah, it's over-board making them have to check-in for life, but let's not act like this wasn't a sexual assault.

It wasnt.

[Chigworthy]

It's just arguing over semantics...but no, of course it wasn't sexual assault. That's why people think it's retarded.

Spoken like a true Chomo.

[StanUpshaw]

I've never mo'd a cho in all my life, sir! How dare you!

[Snacks]

Thats why these types of laws hurt more then they help. 1st of all this was bullying, 2nd of all everyone no matter how cool or uncool, popular or unpopular you were everyone was bullied or fucked with when they were a kid. Its part of growing up. The difference is todays parents give into their kids so much and baby them rather then sometimes being tough with their kids. Now kids cant handle a little humiliation or losing and kill themselves rather then move on.

They make it so difficult to every have a normal life again. This country is becoming a "get in trouble once and never be able to live a normal life again". When you have any kind of record its like you are shut out of everything. These kids are even more fucked because now they have to register for the rest of their life. That stigma will follow them around forever. They basically told these kids to just give up, why bother nothing they can do will matter because they could never be successful because no one will ever give them a job or career that will earn them a good living.

Still amazes me that every time something bad happens these asshole politicians create these laws, name them after some child and think they are making it safer. They are not, fucked up people will still go shit. It always seems like these laws hurt the ones who really dont deserve them. Sex offenders registry, hate crimes, bullying etc are all posturing by politicians to get elected and make it look like care or are doing something.

[Snacks]

and they gave this kid a ball. If that were me and I sat there pouting my dad would have at the very least leave the game! I will give the father credit, he did tell his son to stop (or at least it looks like he did).

http://thestir.cafemom.com/sports/123452/baseball_announcers_make_pouting_kids

society problem #1, the way kids are raised today.

[TripleSkeet]

and they gave this kid a ball. If that were me and I sat there pouting my dad would have at the very least leave the game! I will give the father credit, he did tell his son to stop (or at least it looks like he did).

http://thestir.cafemom.com/sports/123452/baseball_announcers_make_pouting_kids

society problem #1, the way kids are raised today.

I give that dad alot of credit. You can see him look right at the kid and say "Hey, you didnt catch it." I think it was cool what the announcers did but I like the fact the father was basically telling the kid that what happened happened and you gotta just get over it. Parents dont do that nearly enough anymore.

[Snacks]

I give that dad alot of credit. You can see him look right at the kid and say "Hey, you didnt catch it." I think it was cool what the announcers did but I like the fact the father was basically telling the kid that what happened happened and you gotta just get over it. Parents dont do that nearly enough anymore.

You like what the announcers did? Do you mean giving the kid a ball for no reason and letting him now believe pouting gets you what you want? That kid shouldnt have gotten anything except maybe taken home for acting like a brat.

That is the problem right there!

[Chigworthy]

I've never mo'd a cho in all my life, sir! How dare you!

But the intent is there.

[TripleSkeet]

You like what the announcers did? Do you mean giving the kid a ball for no reason and letting him now believe pouting gets you what you want? That kid shouldnt have gotten anything except maybe taken home for acting like a brat.

That is the problem right there!

All they did was a gesture of goodwill to make a kid happy. Do I think it should be done everytime? Of course not. But Im not going to fault sports announcers or a team for committing a nice gesture towards a kid. I mean come on. Its not like anyone tried telling them thats what they should do.

[spoon]

Yeah, it's over-board making them have to check-in for life, but let's not act like this wasn't a sexual assault.

I'm just shocked ANYONE would say this was a sexual assault, much less you Sailor. Explain to me how you "came" to this conclusion?

[Snacks]

All they did was a gesture of goodwill to make a kid happy. Do I think it should be done everytime? Of course not. But Im not going to fault sports announcers or a team for committing a nice gesture towards a kid. I mean come on. Its not like anyone tried telling them thats what they should do.

But they rewarded the kid for being a little pouting fuck. if he would have acted different or made 1 face and then was happy or something then maybe. But sorry what they did is what is the problem with our current society and kids. When they act like little bastards they shouldnt be rewarded but now a days we give them shit or give in to just shut them up. My father would have given me a slap for acting like that or he would have taken me by the hand and left.

[sailor]

I'm just shocked ANYONE would say this was a sexual assault, much less you Sailor. Explain to me how you "came" to this conclusion?

Penal Code, Sec. 22.011.(a) creates the offence of sexual assault. It reads:
(a) A person commits an offense if the person:

(2) intentionally or knowingly:

(E) causes the mouth of a child to contact the anus or sexual organ of another person, including the actor.

from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault#United_States). it's texas, but i think the definitions are pretty standard.

[Snacks]

Penal Code, Sec. 22.011.(a) creates the offence of sexual assault. It reads:
(a) A person commits an offense if the person:

(2) intentionally or knowingly:

(E) causes the mouth of a child to contact the anus or sexual organ of another person, including the actor.

from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault#United_States). it's texas, but i think the definitions are pretty standard.

so the law and the wording is stupid. all these laws do is create sex offenders/criminals out of anything.

[spoon]

so you believe that law at it's core is correct then?

bc this it's NOT sexual in any way to me

the kids are dicks, not child molesters or sex offenders



The funny thing is, I was going to say at the end of that last post NOT to explain it via that awful interpretation of Megan's Law either. I want YOU to explain to me how you think this constitutes sexual assault?

[spoon]

so the law and the wording is stupid. all these laws do is create sex offenders/criminals out of anything.

Like the awful laws that helped fill our prisons with pot smokers so the private prison owners in places like Texas can fleece our tax base.

[Snacks]

Like the awful laws that helped fill our prisons with pot smokers so the private prison owners in places like Texas can fleece our tax base.

there are many reasons why we are the most jailed/criminal society in the world and its not out population its because its big business!

[spoon]

there are many reasons why we are the most jailed/criminal society in the world and its not out population its because its big business!

Look up my old neighborhood good guy and judge, the honorable Judge Ciaveralla in PA to see this type fun in action!

Cash for Kids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Ciavarella)

The funny thing is, my father fucking HATED the guy and swore something was off with the guy. My dad has always been an amazing "judge" of character, and boy did he have this guy pegged.

[Snacks]

Look up my old neighborhood good guy and judge, the honorable Judge Ciaveralla in PA to see this type fun in action!

Cash for Kids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Ciavarella)

The funny thing is, my father fucking HATED the guy and swore something was off with the guy. My dad has always been an amazing "judge" of character, and boy did he have this guy pegged.

I remember that story it was all over the news. I hope every kid sentenced gets $1 million or more and breaks the state. Education and our correction facilities are so fucked up. They are supposed to teach and rehabilitate but they dont. Our schools no longer teach and train our kids for the future and our jails only make people more dangerous criminals.

[TripleSkeet]

Based on the original information I heard about this case, I was with spoon, I dont care what the definition of the law states, thats not sexual assault in my opinion.

HOWEVER. Here is the transcripts from the case. Check out pages 8 and 9.

http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/opinions/a4322-08a5855-08.pdf

Sorry, but fuck those kids. You try to stick your cock in a kids mouth, you deserve to get put on the list. Not to mention they almost drowned him. If that were my son they wouldnt have to worry about the Megans Law registry preventing them from college or a job, because before they saw 18 they would be buried under about 200 tons of dirt somewhere in southern NJ.

[CountryBob]

When I was growing up I always took up for kids getting bullied - pisses me off that other kids stood around and just watched. If I had kids I would teach them to help the weak.

[StanUpshaw]

Based on the original information I heard about this case, I was with spoon, I dont care what the definition of the law states, thats not sexual assault in my opinion.

HOWEVER. Here is the transcripts from the case. Check out pages 8 and 9.

http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/opinions/a4322-08a5855-08.pdf

Sorry, but fuck those kids. You try to stick your cock in a kids mouth, you deserve to get put on the list. Not to mention they almost drowned him. If that were my son they wouldnt have to worry about the Megans Law registry preventing them from college or a job, because before they saw 18 they would be buried under about 200 tons of dirt somewhere in southern NJ.

chode footnote :lol:

[Misteriosa]

a boy tried to bully me once at school. i broke his nose, and neither he nor anyone else bothered me again. i know if it would have happened these days, i would have been arrested.

[spoon]

These two are complete douchebags that isn't even a question, but even thee judge conveyed the letter of the law here is rough, but it's not their job to interpret the law, but enforce them. I get that, and even ur anger as a parent or even decent person. Still, the oldest kid here is 14 and I believe the first time in any trouble at all. Howw they respond surely will/would be interesting to follow, but does the offense match the punishment her? Way too harsh on the sexual side of things even with ur added find which does make it way worse. 14 year olds are not complete lost causes if handled right, but this will destroy them forever.

[spoon]

chode footnote :lol:

Yah I saw that too. That footnote should be wf's mod quote.

[spoon]

a boy tried to bully me once at school. i broke his nose, and neither he nor anyone else bothered me again. i know if it would have happened these days, i would have been arrested.

While u may take ur lumps when u stand up, as long as u get that huge blow in fighting back u make that statement and they always back off bc they know ur no push over. Nice move misti.

[sailor]

a boy tried to bully me once at school. i broke his nose, and neither he nor anyone else bothered me again. i know if it would have happened these days, i would have been arrested.

I can't imagine you'd get in trouble for that.

[Chigworthy]

I guess one thing you pervs could do is state what you think criminal sexual contact (not assault) actually is.

I understand why, when we put ourselves into the shoes of the little fuckers, we empathize and feel bad about the ramifications of their charges. But someone who's doing this shit at that young of an age has some serious problems. Reading the transcript makes you realize how sick these little douches are.

[CountryBob]

IN 6th grade I took up for a friend who was getting smashed by the school bully - an 8th grade girl nicknamed "pearl harbor". She was about 100 lbs heavier and bigger than all of us. I beat her ass sideways.

The only time I have hit a girl - but I was a hero!

[spoon]

Chig I surely see ur point but to me it's the need for every case to be judged on it's own merits on a case by case basis. With such strict zero tolerance policies or rigidly enforceed by the letter laws allow for sooooo many misinterpretations, whether being brought up on erroneous charges or slipping those based on technicalities. Do u really think 14 year old bullies are beyond hope and in this case should be labeled for life as a child predator?

[Misteriosa]

I can't imagine you'd get in trouble for that.

well he was harrassing me. there was no proof besides my word v his.

luckily, a teacher had seen but didnt get to us in time, as i had already threw him up against the chain link fence and popped him.

[CountryBob]

well he was harrassing me. there was no proof besides my word v his.

luckily, a teacher had seen but didnt get to us in time, as i had already threw him up against the chain link fence and popped him.

Makes me think of Wendy beating up Cartman

[TripleSkeet]

Chig I surely see ur point but to me it's the need for every case to be judged on it's own merits on a case by case basis. With such strict zero tolerance policies or rigidly enforceed by the letter laws allow for sooooo many misinterpretations, whether being brought up on erroneous charges or slipping those based on technicalities. Do u really think 14 year old bullies are beyond hope and in this case should be labeled for life as a child predator?

I completely agree that they should be looked at on a case by case basis. I cant stand zero tolerance anything. But in this case you have a kid trying to stick his dick in another kids mouth. Thats attempted rape man. Theres no other way to look at it. Its not like he slapped him in the forehead with it or teabagged the kid. He tried to penetrate his mouth. Sorry but in that case I think justice was served.

Now what I originally thought the case was, basically rubbing his ass on the kids face? I dont consider that the same thing. Its a gross out by touching, not a penetration.

For the record my mother always preached to me to stand up for the weak kids. I was usually the biggest kid in the class, but I could never bully anyone. Alot of times it was a hassle because some kids like to find the biggest guy in the group and go after him to make a statement.

Ill be honest, I half expect my son or daughter to get kicked out of at least one school for fighting. The schools dont want to hear it. Going to teachers does NOTHING. The only way to get a bully to fuck off is a punch dead in the nose.

Im just glad Ive got 3 nephews close in age to my kids. Me and my sister plan on raising them with the guidelines me and my cousins were raised on. If 1 of you are fighting, ALL of you better be fighting. Basically if one of us got into a fight, that kid or kids had to fight all the cousins, and if word got back we let one of our family get beat up without helping them, we caught an ass whooping when we got home. Once word got out you couldnt hit one without the other 2 jumping in and kicking your ass, bullies pretty much just left us alone.

[Misteriosa]

If 1 of you are fighting, ALL of you better be fighting.

i was raised with this. my younger sister was the smallest of the three of us and they would pick on her so much. there were more than a few times that my older sister and i would show up to "pick my sister up" from school. what a coincidence that we were "fight ready" (hair collected, face greased up, no jewelry except for rings, etc). things would die down for a while after we made an appearance...

[spoon]

I just put up my country bob bat signal for help when being bullied!

[Misteriosa]

http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/~cmc75/moonshinejug.jpg

:unsure:

[sailor]

Chig I surely see ur point but to me it's the need for every case to be judged on it's own merits on a case by case basis. With such strict zero tolerance policies or rigidly enforceed by the letter laws allow for sooooo many misinterpretations, whether being brought up on erroneous charges or slipping those based on technicalities. Do u really think 14 year old bullies are beyond hope and in this case should be labeled for life as a child predator?

I don't think anyone agreed with making them report in for life.

[TjM]

These fuck tards made a dude eat their assholes. It's either rape or the kid (Guy who did the teabagging) is gayer than elton john covering Striesand

[sailor]

well he was harrassing me. there was no proof besides my word v his.

luckily, a teacher had seen but didnt get to us in time, as i had already threw him up against the chain link fence and popped him.

I think you'd get off just for being a girl. Heck, even if you were the bully, without proof no one would buy it.

[spoon]

I don't think anyone agreed with making them report in for life.

what?

that's the whole crux of this thread Sailor

is this a law being misused/misinterpret to not only label/prosecuted these kids further, but the duration of the ruling matching the offense

[sailor]

what?

that's the whole crux of this thread Sailor

is this a law being misused/misinterpret to not only label/prosecuted these kids further, but the duration of the ruling matching the offense

Yes, I'm saying I don't think anyone who posted in this thread thought that. You were arguing like people did.

[spoon]

Yes, I'm saying I don't think anyone who posted in this thread thought that. You were arguing like people did.

People have said this is still a sexual assault in this thread as we are debating the ruling. I'd say that is backing the ruling overall based on how the law was enforced and that we've all read the article. If you don't think it's right, many haven't made that clear in any way. By endorsing this ruling you are validating that very action. You said it's over-board, but seem to be fine with the ruling overall regardless.

Chig, tjm and now TS seem to be ok with it now based on the actions by these douches. My argument was followed by a specific question to Chig to see where he stands on that specific point. I have also been discussing my views on the ruling and how the case was handled. I'm not "arguing like people did" defend it, I'm commenting on the article and case, while discussing it with others. I fail to see your logic.

[sailor]

How is calling it over-board equated with thinking the ruling is fine?

[TripleSkeet]

I dont think its overboard now. I dont. Once I found out the kid tried to force his dick into the 12 year olds mouth, pushing it between his lips, I was sold. Fuck him. At 14 years old you should know thats no fucking joke. Ive got zero problem with the ruling now. Rubbing his ass on the kids face is nothing. If that was all they did I would be right there with anyone else that thought they went overboard with the punishment, but thats not what they did. That fucking article was misleading as hell. The attempted forced face fuck shouldve been the main story, not the ass on the face.

[sailor]

I dont think its overboard now. I dont. Once I found out the kid tried to force his dick into the 12 year olds mouth, pushing it between his lips, I was sold. Fuck him. At 14 years old you should know thats no fucking joke. Ive got zero problem with the ruling now. Rubbing his ass on the kids face is nothing. If that was all they did I would be right there with anyone else that thought they went overboard with the punishment, but thats not what they did. That fucking article was misleading as hell. The attempted forced face fuck shouldve been the main story, not the ass on the face.

I still have a problem with the reporting for life thing. You don't have to report for other crimes once you've served your time. I know they have a higher recidivism rate, but still don't agree with this, especially for a young kid. Yes, try them as adults and lock them up, but once they've served their time that's that.

[Chigworthy]

People have said this is still a sexual assault in this thread as we are debating the ruling. I'd say that is backing the ruling overall based on how the law was enforced and that we've all read the article. If you don't think it's right, many haven't made that clear in any way. By endorsing this ruling you are validating that very action. You said it's over-board, but seem to be fine with the ruling overall regardless.

Chig, tjm and now TS seem to be ok with it now based on the actions by these douches. My argument was followed by a specific question to Chig to see where he stands on that specific point. I have also been discussing my views on the ruling and how the case was handled. I'm not "arguing like people did" defend it, I'm commenting on the article and case, while discussing it with others. I fail to see your logic.

If you read the transcript, what the dopes did was pretty clearly criminal sexual contact. They weren't charged with sexual assault. I think that's where the confusion is for you pervs. What the kids did was criminal sexual contact clearly under NJ code. This thread started by lambasting the attorneys and the judge, which is ridiculous. Then it degenerated into outrage at defining what they did as a sexual assault, which the kids weren't charged with. So, people of the jury, I put forth that the arguments presented by the perv defense are muddled and invalid, and in light of that I refuse to address any questions as to the usage of Megan's Law.

[Chigworthy]

Rubbing his ass on the kids face is nothing.

You may want to raise you kids in a world where youth are encouraged to face-rape their classmates with their anuses, but I think that anyone doing that shit in the forced manner that they describe in the documents is a fucking twisto. Aside from that, the only part I read about the mouth raping was the interview with the victim, and it seemed just as likely that the oral pleasures were an accidental by-product of the fetishistic ass play.

[spoon]

If you read the transcript, what the dopes did was pretty clearly criminal sexual contact. They weren't charged with sexual assault. I think that's where the confusion is for you pervs. What the kids did was criminal sexual contact clearly under NJ code. This thread started by lambasting the attorneys and the judge, which is ridiculous. Then it degenerated into outrage at defining what they did as a sexual assault, which the kids weren't charged with. So, people of the jury, I put forth that the arguments presented by the perv defense are muddled and invalid, and in light of that I refuse to address any questions as to the usage of Megan's Law.

The thread started based on the misleading article Tenbats posted. Upon further research and added links to information not previously know, yes the discussion shifted, of course. I can't wait until the Tripleskeet O'Doyle family, cousins and all, gang tea bag your ass!

[StanUpshaw]

I still have a problem with the reporting for life thing. You don't have to report for other crimes once you've served your time. I know they have a higher recidivism rate, but still don't agree with this, especially for a young kid. Yes, try them as adults and lock them up, but once they've served their time that's that.

That's really the key issue. There are serial criminals (killers, rapists, arsonists) who are pathological. They can't be fixed, they can't be reformed. The justice system does no good for them, and no good for society.

Meanwhile, we have these abhorrent laws that paint everyone with the same serial rapist brush.

[Snacks]

I still have a problem with the reporting for life thing. You don't have to report for other crimes once you've served your time. I know they have a higher recidivism rate, but still don't agree with this, especially for a young kid. Yes, try them as adults and lock them up, but once they've served their time that's that.

This!

I have always thought once you served your time for your crime you should be given the opportunity to change you life for the better. This law doesnt allow it no matter what you did. 20 year old dating 17 year, sex offender for life. 12 year old tea-bagging someone, sex offender for life. murderer, get out of jail move anywhere you want, no one knows unless you tell them.

I see a problem there!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Based on the original information I heard about this case, I was with spoon, I dont care what the definition of the law states, thats not sexual assault in my opinion.

HOWEVER. Here is the transcripts from the case. Check out pages 8 and 9.

http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/opinions/a4322-08a5855-08.pdf

Sorry, but fuck those kids. You try to stick your cock in a kids mouth, you deserve to get put on the list. Not to mention they almost drowned him. If that were my son they wouldnt have to worry about the Megans Law registry preventing them from college or a job, because before they saw 18 they would be buried under about 200 tons of dirt somewhere in southern NJ.

Um, think of the physics. If the taint is on the nose when sitting on someone's face, the balls/cock will be near the mouth. This is also the kid's testimony and he's being led by the prosecutor. I don't think he was trying to force him to blow him, it was just incidental contact.

[spoon]

not sure you can even be sure it went down that way, but I didn't read the whole court filing

still, sounds like someone has experience with the ole Roman War helmet in the past

[hanso]

You can get charged with Sex Offender for peeing outside. Big Ben could have got tagged with it that time on the golf course.

[Chigworthy]

This!

I have always thought once you served your time for your crime you should be given the opportunity to change you life for the better. This law doesnt allow it no matter what you did. 20 year old dating 17 year, sex offender for life. 12 year old tea-bagging someone, sex offender for life. murderer, get out of jail move anywhere you want, no one knows unless you tell them.

I see a problem there!

Homicide registration is right around the corner. The funny thing is that I've heard more push for mandatory registration of those who commit crimes against animals.

As for the 20 year old dating a 17 year old, we all know that dating isn't a crime; it's the fucking. So, if you were going to rewrite the definition of statutory rape, how would it read?

[Snacks]

Homicide registration is right around the corner. The funny thing is that I've heard more push for mandatory registration of those who commit crimes against animals.

As for the 20 year old dating a 17 year old, we all know that dating isn't a crime; it's the fucking. So, if you were going to rewrite the definition of statutory rape, how would it read?

I would remove the law completely. I have always had the opinion that you commit a crime you serve your time and when your out its done. You shouldnt have to pay for it the rest of your life.

[Tenbatsuzen]

still, sounds like someone has experience with the ole Roman War helmet in the past

What, because I have a basic understanding of male anatomy?

Someone's jealous.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I would remove the law completely. I have always had the opinion that you commit a crime you serve your time and when your out its done. You shouldnt have to pay for it the rest of your life.

Yeah, but here's the problem: the entire law is based around the fact that a convicted pedophile was in the neighborhood, kidnapped a kid, and raped/killed her.

No one in the neighborhood knew a convicted pedophile was next door and the resulting hysteria is what created the law.

The problem is that the lawmakers put ALL KINDS of sexual offenses into the law, because we all know pissing in public leads to raping kids.

The law is good for pedophiles, and even for "adult" rapists.

[spoon]

yes, everyone is completely jealous of those "favors" you used to give at Kevin's Albanian Bath House.

[Snacks]

Yeah, but here's the problem: the entire law is based around the fact that a convicted pedophile was in the neighborhood, kidnapped a kid, and raped/killed her.

No one in the neighborhood knew a convicted pedophile was next door and the resulting hysteria is what created the law.

The problem is that the lawmakers put ALL KINDS of sexual offenses into the law, because we all know pissing in public leads to raping kids.

The law is good for pedophiles, and even for "adult" rapists.

I agree with you to a point. Rape, drugging to rape, or sex with a child etc. But Having a consensual relationship/sex, peeing in public, mooning, or anything else similar shouldnt make you a sex criminal. When these kids are 30 and older they will be considered monsters for being on this list not for the "crime" they committed. I still say it was bullying or just typical 12 year olds fucking around but maybe going overboard!

[Tenbatsuzen]

yes, everyone is completely jealous of those "favors" you used to give at Kevin's Albanian Bath House.

Albanians bathe?

[spoon]

Albanians bathe?

funny, but you're making my point

[Tenbatsuzen]

funny, but you're making my point

I went to summer camp and played football and lacrosse. I'd be lying if I said I never saw bullying similar to this. In fact, the main reason I knew it was an atomic situp is because a kid in my bunk was victim of one.

[TripleSkeet]

Um, think of the physics. If the taint is on the nose when sitting on someone's face, the balls/cock will be near the mouth. This is also the kid's testimony and he's being led by the prosecutor. I don't think he was trying to force him to blow him, it was just incidental contact.

He -- [S.R.] was holding me down, so I
couldn't move. So he kind of pulled
part of his pants down and sat on me,
sat on my face.

He put his penis in, like there, in my
mouth.

Q. Well, did you hear anybody tell [James]
to do that?
A. Yes.

Sorry, but it doesnt sound incidental to me. Why does everyone assume this kid spread his ass cheeks and sat on the kids nose? Nowhere in here do I see the kids saying he came him an actual stinkface, just that he sat on his face with his bare butt. Thats basically cheek to cheek, pardon the pun. Even when the kids admit it thats what they say happened. They were torturing the kid, and it sounds like after the butt rub he decided to stick his dick in the kids face too, putting it on the kids mouth. Thats not just horseplay and bullying.

Ive seen plenty of bullying including a kid that literally pulled out his dick and slapped one of our classmates in the forehead with it when he wasnt paying attention in class. But Ive never seen anything like Ive read in that transcript. If a bully tried sticking his dick in a kids mouth around here he would be branded a queer and lose his bully status immediately!!!

[TripleSkeet]

The thread started based on the misleading article Tenbats posted. Upon further research and added links to information not previously know, yes the discussion shifted, of course. I can't wait until the Tripleskeet O'Doyle family, cousins and all, gang tea bag your ass!

You cocksucker! I spit my soda all over my desk when I read this.

[spoon]

Hey at least you're not the McPoyles!

you have any warm milk?

[Snacks]

Sorry, but it doesnt sound incidental to me. Why does everyone assume this kid spread his ass cheeks and sat on the kids nose? Nowhere in here do I see the kids saying he came him an actual stinkface, just that he sat on his face with his bare butt. Thats basically cheek to cheek, pardon the pun. Even when the kids admit it thats what they say happened. They were torturing the kid, and it sounds like after the butt rub he decided to stick his dick in the kids face too, putting it on the kids mouth. Thats not just horseplay and bullying.

Ive seen plenty of bullying including a kid that literally pulled out his dick and slapped one of our classmates in the forehead with it when he wasnt paying attention in class. But Ive never seen anything like Ive read in that transcript. If a bully tried sticking his dick in a kids mouth around here he would be branded a queer and lose his bully status immediately!!!

I have seen that plenty of times when i was a kid I have even seen that as an adult. So do you think your friend deserved to get arrested for that? Do you think he should have been considered a sex offender for life over something like that?

[TripleSkeet]

I have seen that plenty of times when i was a kid I have even seen that as an adult. So do you think your friend deserved to get arrested for that? Do you think he should have been considered a sex offender for life over something like that?

No I dont. But if he held the kid down and tried jamming in it his mouth, pushing it against his lips while the kid fought back, I would.

And dont get me wrong, Im not saying Im for the sex registry. Im not. I really dont think it works and all it does is rile people up about people in their neighborhood. Im with you where when you pay your time, you should be free.

My point was just that I dont think what these kids did falls into strictly bullying. I think what I said above is a sex crime, and should be punished as such.

[spoon]

No I dont. But if he held the kid down and tried jamming in it his mouth, pushing it against his lips while the kid fought back, I would.

perhaps a quick dick punch comes to mind?

[TripleSkeet]

perhaps a quick dick punch comes to mind?

LMAO I dont even know what this is supposed to mean!. (I did amend my previous post though)

[spoon]

just saying there had to be a way to inflict major damage with a kick, head butt, punch or otherwise to this fuck at one point in this conflict.

you wait for the opp and bring the pain! you'd have to kill me to endure shit like this, as I'd rather take a major shit kicking but at least stood up to the older/douchey kids

I've never been one to back down much though...ever.

[Chigworthy]

just saying there had to be a way to inflict major damage with a kick, head butt, punch or otherwise to this fuck at one point in this conflict.

you wait for the opp and bring the pain! you'd have to kill me to endure shit like this, as I'd rather take a major shit kicking but at least stood up to the older/douchey kids

I've never been one to back down much though...ever.

That's right. That little bastard wanted it, or he would have fought back. He was probably wearing something provocative too.

[spoon]

That's right. That little bastard wanted it, or he would have fought back. He was probably wearing something provocative too.

Yah that's exactly what I said. I was talking to TS about how he wouldn't have laid down himself and added what runs through my head when thinking about how I would have dealt with the situation. That's all big guy. All ok now jumps off the handle guy?


Kids, people all deal with situations differently, of course. These kids were probably terrified and thought they could just go with it and hope they got bored and left them alone eventually as it probably went in the past. Not sure what your goal is right now putting idiotic assumptions or stretches on my point bc it couldn't be further from what I said and completely made up.

Oh and ESD has moved on, might I suggest you do the same.

[TripleSkeet]

just saying there had to be a way to inflict major damage with a kick, head butt, punch or otherwise to this fuck at one point in this conflict.

you wait for the opp and bring the pain! you'd have to kill me to endure shit like this, as I'd rather take a major shit kicking but at least stood up to the older/douchey kids

I've never been one to back down much though...ever.

Me neither. But then again youre talking about a 12 year old being held down by 2 14 year olds. Ive seen shit happen with kids where, even though you fight back like crazy, sometimes they just overpower you. I doubt he just sat there, but if he did, it couldve been because he was really scared.

I had 2 friends when I was 12, and 2 17 year olds came around, one of them knew my father, the other didnt know us. Well the kid that didnt know me comes up to me, and immediately the other kid tells him not to touch me or my 2 cousins because A. Hed have all 3 of us on him, and B. My father put probably kick the shit out of him later.

So the kid decides to go up to another 12 year old, and punch him right in the mouth. Then he did it to another one. These kids were scared to death. 12 against 17, what can you do? So they took it. When we came home my old man saw their mouths bleeding. When he found out what happened he went and grabbed the kid and choked him against the wall, warned him never to touch a neighborhood kid again, and told him to tell his father to come around if he had anything to say. After that those guys acted like we were their best friends.

[sailor]

just saying there had to be a way to inflict major damage with a kick, head butt, punch or otherwise to this fuck at one point in this conflict.

you wait for the opp and bring the pain! you'd have to kill me to endure shit like this, as I'd rather take a major shit kicking but at least stood up to the older/douchey kids

I've never been one to back down much though...ever.

why wouldn't you assume the kid was held down?

[StanUpshaw]

I just wish this trial got one of those wacky judges who pass sentences of public humiliation. Make him wear a sandwich board saying I LIKE CHODES UP THE BUTT.

But I'm not sure it will have the desired effect, since everyone will just look at it and go "You like chodes up the butt? Chode means taint. How do you stick a taint up someone's butt?"

[spoon]

Who said he wasn't sailor? I read plenty of the transcript and ONCE AGIAN was speaking on how i would and have dealt with similar situations. This means he never had a shot before, after or during the whole thing? I'm beggining to think u can't follow a conversation or connect any dots outside of putting stupid one liners out there in single convo lines with me for whatever reason. Does becoming admin immediately turn one into an ass or is it marching orders from twitter?

[spoon]

Stan, just add an electric sig over his head that has the court paper's footnote crawling in neon!

[sailor]

Who said he wasn't sailor? I read plenty of the transcript and ONCE AGIAN was speaking on how i would and have dealt with similar situations. This means he never had a shot before, after or during the whole thing? I'm beggining to think u can't follow a conversation or connect any dots outside of putting stupid one liners out there in single convo lines with me for whatever reason. Does becoming admin immediately turn one into an ass or is it marching orders from twitter?

sure.

[spoon]

indeed