What is your "99%" message?

[StanUpshaw]

http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/
We are the 99 percent. We are getting kicked out of our homes. We are forced to choose between groceries and rent. We are denied quality medical care. We are suffering from environmental pollution. We are working long hours for little pay and no rights, if we're working at all. We are getting nothing while the other 1 percent is getting everything. We are the 99 percent.

Brought to you by the people who occupy wall street. Why will YOU occupy?

Well?

Why will YOU occupy?

[StanUpshaw]

http://i.imgur.com/PCCRv.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Ig1Qs.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If the wall St occupiers hate capitalism so much why didnt they throw rotten fruit at Susan Sarandon for arriving in a Limo then taking a jet to Italy?

Wall Street was a factor in the economic meltdown but it was not the major cause. Where are the protests against government bullying banks with the CRA ?

Wheres the outrage over FANNIE and FREDDY?

How about the crony capitalism going on especially bten The WH and GM/GE and Goldman Sachs?

What happened to the Anti war protests?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I hate capitalism but its too cold so I will use daddys credit card to get a hotel for the night

[disneyspy]

i tweeted yesterday that i will #occupymycouch it didn't trend surprisingly

[Snoogans]

i tweeted yesterday that i will #occupymycouch it didn't trend surprisingly

cause no one follows you

[Melk]

i tweeted yesterday that i will #occupymycouch it didn't trend surprisingly
Why not just #occupytomorrowland?

[Lenny]

I play guitar badly but think I rock. I am the 99%.

[Syd]

Wall Street was a factor in the economic meltdown but it was not the major cause. Where are the protests against government bullying banks with the CRA ?

Limbaugh and Fox are/were wrong about the CRA, the reality of the situation is detailed here:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2008/10/12/53802/private-sector-loans-not-fannie.html

More than 84 percent of the subprime mortgages in 2006 were issued by private lending institutions.

Private firms made nearly 83 percent of the subprime loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers that year.

Only one of the top 25 subprime lenders in 2006 was directly subject to the housing law that's being lambasted by conservative critics.

There was a major divorce from reality when the subprime crisis broke because conservatives needed to spin it to deflect blame from the people who bankroll their operations. That's ignoring that the housing bubble was just what happened to burst -- it could have been any number of things because the root cause was lack of oversight on derivatives and manipulated ratings on loan packages. The whole economic system at the time was built on infinitely leveraged money and when people were no longer able to afford ARM loans. That, admittedly, they never should have received in the first place, they were flashed some ultra low numbers through heavily gamed loan applications and falsified documentation. Once Bear Sterns fell, that infinitely leveraged money that was in no way real suddenly became real and financials who were not forced to have adequate capital on hand set off a destructive chain reaction in the derivatives market. Then that set off other derivatives, which were well out of hand at that point. GM, for example, had something like 6x it's market cap in value set up in derivatives. None of that money was ever meant to be real since it was insurance against bankruptcies, not actual physical money to be paid out.

The Gramm-Leach-Bliley act, everyone who voted for it and Clinton who signed it into law created the crisis. It stripped regulations and allowed for "too big to fail" companies to form. The only people to blame are the crazy fucks that people sent into congress during the Contract With America.

[weekapaugjz]

i am sick of people preaching about race, sexuality, nationality, conservatism, liberalism. i just want to live a decent life without having to worry about what happens if i miss one paycheck. i am whatever % you want to call me.

[cougarjake13]

i am sick of people preaching about race, sexuality, nationality, conservatism, liberalism. i just want to live a decent life without having to worry about what happens if i miss one paycheck. i am whatever % you want to call me.

x2

[StanUpshaw]

x2

198%

[bohicanator]

The Kid-apult wore me out.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lscu1rBap01qzptwgo1_r1_500.png

[hanso]

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/79228/Topless_Protesters_at_Occupy_Wall_Street/
Topless Protesters At Occupy Wall Street

Boobies are my message


http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/79229/Occupy_Wall_Street_Topless_Citizen_To_Bellevue/
Occupy Wall Street Topless Citizen To Bellevue

Bad boobs get you carted off. Keep them perky please.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The CRA and financial crisis


http://spectator.org/archives/2009/02/06/the-true-origins-of-this-finan#


"The other narrative is that government policy over many years--particularly the use of the Community Reinvestment Act and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to distort the housing credit system-- underlies the current crisis. The stakes in the competing narratives are high. The diagnosis determines the prescription. If the Times diagnosis prevails, the prescription is more regulation of the financial system; if instead government policy is to blame, the prescription is to terminate those government policies that distort mortgage lending."

[Syd]

key points that aren't told to you by bankers through their PR men:

1) The CRA didn't apply to the vast majority of those giving out sub-prime loans as they weren't regulated by the CRA due to the nature of the company loaning out money. If you read the link, you'd see that the CRA played some part of it, but well over 3/4 of the subprime loans that went out were handed out by companies that had nothing to do with the CRA as they weren't insured by the FDIC. The bulk of subprime lending came purely from the drive for profit, not the CRA.

2) Fannie/Freddie do not actually loan any money, they bought loans that were already given out.

That article is flat out garbage, full of strawmen. The CRA had been around for nearly 30 years when the derivatives market blew up. GLB Act had barely been around for 5 -- who do you, logically, think is to blame there? Was it lack of regulation, or an easy scapegoat with poor people?

Most of the early '00s were full of de-regulation fueled profit orgies that are tightening the boom/bust cycle of capitalism. Instead of recessions every 10 years, we're now looking at recessions every 5 years. Yet we still want to look the other way and trust that a bunch of coked up assholes in NYC are just fine running the economy of the country.

[cougarjake13]

198%

/4

[Chigworthy]

key points that aren't told to you by bankers through their PR men:

1) The CRA didn't apply to the vast majority of those giving out sub-prime loans as they weren't regulated by the CRA due to the nature of the company loaning out money. If you read the link, you'd see that the CRA played some part of it, but well over 3/4 of the subprime loans that went out were handed out by companies that had nothing to do with the CRA as they weren't insured by the FDIC. The bulk of subprime lending came purely from the drive for profit, not the CRA.

2) Fannie/Freddie do not actually loan any money, they bought loans that were already given out.

That article is flat out garbage, full of strawmen. The CRA had been around for nearly 30 years when the derivatives market blew up. GLB Act had barely been around for 5 -- who do you, logically, think is to blame there? Was it lack of regulation, or an easy scapegoat with poor people?

Most of the early '00s were full of de-regulation fueled profit orgies that are tightening the boom/bust cycle of capitalism. Instead of recessions every 10 years, we're now looking at recessions every 5 years. Yet we still want to look the other way and trust that a bunch of coked up assholes in NYC are just fine running the economy of the country.

This information holds not a single bit of interest to me. I am the 99%.

[Bob Impact]

I live comfortably with my wife and am considering the purchase of an extraordinarily unpractical sports car. I am the 99%.

[Jujubees2]

http://www.tshirtsunited.com/images/designs/99percent_design.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Most of those protestors are Obama supporters. Obama was bankrolled by Wall St. Lets not allow facts to get in the way They want to turn this into the Arab Spring. Well the Arab spring didnt turn out so rosey after all.

They hate capitalism but their bandanas and Che Guevera shirts were purchased as a result of Capitalism.

Say what you want about teabaggers, they might carry goofy signs spelled incorrectly but for the most part they dont damage property or Taunt police.

I see the TWU is involved now. Do they realize that their pension funds involve Wall St?

The freak show got even more wacky when Frances Fox Piven arrived

Let the whiny college kids cry and complain and get pimped out by A list Celebrities who have all benefited thru capitalism


They should vent their anger towards the Federal reserve.

[ANC]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41193S6TEVL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

.............shit wrong thread.. :unsure:

[Judge Smails]

Everyone's a silver hero.
Everyone's a Captain Kirk.

I am the 99 Luftballons.

[Dude!]

Everyone's a silver hero.
Everyone's a Captain Kirk.

I am the 99 Luftballons.

frikken german women
with their hairy armpits

savages

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

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[zildjian361]

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WF ya just beat me too it:smoke::drunk:

[Crash]

Everyone's a silver hero.
Everyone's a Captain Kirk.

I am the 99 Luftballons.

Smails, what in the name of God is up with your sig pic???

That's just disturbing, man.

[Syd]

Speaking of 1%ers, the GOP just can't help but illegally conduct trade with Iran in an effort to support terrorism:

A Bloomberg Markets investigation has found that Koch Industries -- in addition to being involved in improper payments to win business in Africa, India and the Middle East -- has sold millions of dollars of petrochemical equipment to Iran, a country the U.S. identifies as a sponsor of global terrorism.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-02/koch-brothers-flout-law-getting-richer-with-secret-iran-sales.html

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Does the 1% include GE doing business with the Persians too?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I see Alec Baldwin joined the protest. So will he give up doing commercials for Capital One??

I see the usual cast of characters joining the parade

SEIU
TWU Local 100
Moveon.Org
Working families Party
AFSCME
AFL-CIO

Just to name a few.

Even Soros who became rich from Wall St is in on this

[Melk]

Seriously, what does one have to do with the other?

Baldwin works for GE, for crying out loud.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Seriously, what does one have to do with the other?

Baldwin works for GE, for crying out loud.

They are complaining about corporations too. GE is a huge multinational.



Capital one is a bank. Capital one represents capitalism. This has morphed from a lets complain about Wall St to lets end capitalism.

I know Wall St played a role in the financial crisis. But its not the only factor. I was against bailouts and TARP. However a lot of the protesters are hugely misguided in their anger. They have every right to assemble but if they get violent and destroy property , then they lose their cause..

[StanUpshaw]

GE is a fucking bank for fucks sake.

[Melk]

StanUpshaw gets it. Baldwin would rather fight the system while being a visible part of the system. I don't see this as being hypocritical in the least.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

GE financial got a bailout

[Dude!]

StanUpshaw gets it. Baldwin would rather fight the system while being a visible part of the system. I don't see this as being hypocritical in the least.

then you must be insane

[harvey_birdman]

Speaking of 1%ers, the GOP just can't help but illegally conduct trade with Iran in an effort to support terrorism:



http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-02/koch-brothers-flout-law-getting-richer-with-secret-iran-sales.html

The Koch Brothers are not "the GOP". Furthermore, what their company did was not in violation of US law. It was a European subsidiary that traded with Iran, and the trade had nothing to do with support for terrorism.

Koch Industries took elaborate steps to ensure that its U.S.-based employees weren’t involved in the sales to Iran, internal documents show.
Koch Industries may not have violated the law if no U.S. people or company divisions facilitated trades with Iran, says Avi Jorisch, a Treasury Department policy adviser from 2005 to 2008. That’s impossible to determine without a complete investigation, Jorisch says.
Internal Koch-Glitsch correspondence shows that the company coordinated with Koch Industries lawyers in the U.S. to make sure that American employees didn’t work on sales to Iran. Elena Rigon, now Koch-Glitsch compliance manager for Europe, based in Italy, in December 2000 addressed a memo outlining compliance guidelines to company managers in her region.

The following day, Koch-Glitsch was sent a purchase order to supply petrochemical equipment for the Zagros plant, which was being designed and built by two engineering firms, Pidec in Iran and Lurgi in Germany, according to company documents.

There are a thousand reasons to hate "the GOP", this is not one of them.

[StanUpshaw]

StanUpshaw gets it. Baldwin would rather fight the system while being a visible part of the system. I don't see this as being hypocritical in the least.

No. That's not what I was saying. I must have misinterpreted what you were saying and probably what WF was saying. Fuck all of this...everyone involved on all sides.

[Melk]

What I mean is that Baldwin being a pitchman for Capital One and participating in the Occupy Wall Street is not a conflict-of-interest. Being employed by "the man" puts you closer to influencing "the man" than you wouls think. If Baldwin is fired or quits, think about how much negative publicity that would put on Capital One.

I don't buy into the weak argument that benefitting from a crummy, legal practice should compel the beneficiary to forfeit money they earned. It is a childish way to think about the world.

It is like the whole "America: Love it or leave it" crap I grew up with.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Immigrant rights groups are latching on now. From protesting about bailouts to now Amnesty. I knew it would spiral into a left wing agenda movement


BTW what did wall street do to illegals

[StanUpshaw]

What I mean is that Baldwin being a pitchman for Capital One and participating in the Occupy Wall Street is not a conflict-of-interest. Being employed by "the man" puts you closer to influencing "the man" than you wouls think. If Baldwin is fired or quits, think about how much negative publicity that would put on Capital One.

I don't buy into the weak argument that benefitting from a crummy, legal practice should compel the beneficiary to forfeit money they earned. It is a childish way to think about the world.

It is like the whole "America: Love it or leave it" crap I grew up with.

He's condemning behavior as immoral while benefiting from AND CONTRIBUTING TO those committing those immoral acts. That's pretty much the definition of hypocrisy.

You can't compare this government. Alec Baldwin has no claim of ownership of, nor fealty to, GE. Each are free actors participating in a voluntary relationship. It's a UTTERLY retarded comparison. Seriously, I hope you feel shame for saying something so stupid.

[Melk]

It is the same thing, Stan. He has been given a platform on GE owned NBC and has made public statements against GE on 30 Rock and in interviews. He took CapitalOne's money to pitch for them and visits the protestors fighting the entire banking system. He is a working actor accepting cash from corporations he smashes in public. He is living the dream. Not a hypocrite. He shouldn't feel compelled to give money back to CapitalOne because he finds the current financial system repugnant.

Considering how he told FOX to buzz off when they sensored his Emmy routine, I figure he would be equally willing to tell CapitalOne to take a hike. Again, if CapitalOne decides to fire him or he quits, CapitalOne will gain a load of negative publicity in the process.

Imagine if people were protesting Progressive Insurance and Flo started speaking out against them. It would be difficult for Progressive to look good if they fired her.

[StanUpshaw]

Your actions don't matter as long as you pay the proper lip service afterward. Gotcha.

[StanUpshaw]

The balls on this cocksucker...

Bernanke Signals Some Sympathy for Wall Street Protesters
By Luca Di Leo

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke signaled some sympathy for the demonstrators protesting in New York and other cities against Wall Street and corporate greed.

Asked about the protests during his appearance before Congress’s Joint Economic Committee, Mr. Bernanke said people are blaming “with some justification the problems in the financial sector for getting us into this mess.”

“At some level, I can’t blame them,” he said, pointing to an unemployment rate that remains stuck above 9%. Americans are “dissatisfied with the policy response here in Washington,” the Fed chief warned lawmakers.

[Dude!]

It is the same thing, Stan. He has been given a platform on GE owned NBC and has made public statements against GE on 30 Rock and in interviews. He took CapitalOne's money to pitch for them and visits the protestors fighting the entire banking system. He is a working actor accepting cash from corporations he smashes in public. He is living the dream. Not a hypocrite. He shouldn't feel compelled to give money back to CapitalOne because he finds the current financial system repugnant.

Considering how he told FOX to buzz off when they sensored his Emmy routine, I figure he would be equally willing to tell CapitalOne to take a hike. Again, if CapitalOne decides to fire him or he quits, CapitalOne will gain a load of negative publicity in the process.

Imagine if people were protesting Progressive Insurance and Flo started speaking out against them. It would be difficult for Progressive to look good if they fired her.

wow...there really does exist
an inverse universe

[StanUpshaw]

And he probably wouldn't think twice to decry the hypocrisy of the douchebag Christians who spend all week sinning, then go and ask forgiveness on Sunday. They're living the dream!

[Duke]

Say what you want about teabaggers, they might carry goofy signs spelled incorrectly but for the most part they dont damage property or Taunt police.


.

To quote Jon Stewart...

Isn't the "Tea Party movement’s namesake happens to be the most celebrated act of theft and vandalism of private property in our nation’s history?"

[pennington]

He has been given a platform on GE owned NBC and has made public statements against GE on 30 Rock and in interviews. He took CapitalOne's money to pitch for them and visits the protestors fighting the entire banking system. He is a working actor accepting cash from corporations he smashes in public. He is living the dream. Not a hypocrite. He shouldn't feel compelled to give money back to CapitalOne because he finds the current financial system repugnant.

Considering how he told FOX to buzz off when they sensored his Emmy routine, I figure he would be equally willing to tell CapitalOne to take a hike. Again, if CapitalOne decides to fire him or he quits, CapitalOne will gain a load of negative publicity in the process.

I honestly don't think Alec Baldwin is smart enough to do this. He saw a band-wagon and he jumped on it. His manager must be having fits.

Capital One should run those commercials into the ground since they're already done and then quietly not renew his contract. Although, really, they shouldn't be surprised; they knew what they were getting when they hired Baldwin. Maybe they're not even upset, a lot of those dreaded Wall Street fat-cats are big supporters of the Democrats.

[Syd]

The Koch Brothers are not "the GOP". Furthermore, what their company did was not in violation of US law. It was a European subsidiary that traded with Iran, and the trade had nothing to do with support for terrorism.

The Koch Brothers are the GOP, hate to break it to you. Also, yes it is in violation of the spirit and intent of the law and yes it has everything to do with support for terrorism because the GOP itself labels Iran a terrorist country.

[Dude!]

I honestly don't think Alec Baldwin is smart enough to do this. He saw a band-wagon and he jumped on it. His manager must be having fits.

Capital One should run those commercials into the ground since they're already done and then quietly not renew his contract. Although, really, they shouldn't be surprised; they knew what they were getting when they hired Baldwin. Maybe they're not even upset, a lot of those dreaded Wall Street fat-cats are big supporters of the Democrats.

oh, capitol one loves it...
all publicity is good publicity
both for Baldwin and capital one

don't thing they didn't know in advance;
it was totally orchestrated by the phonys

[WRESTLINGFAN]

List of demands. This was from a contributor to the Occupywallst site and not an official list but Im sure the organizers would concur.

Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Demand four: Free college education.

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.

Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.



Sure lets become another Greece.

[PigShitIrish]

OccupyPhilly started today at City Hall right across the street from my office. As of now there's a few hundred people and they're pretty quiet.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The balls on this cocksucker...

Holy shit. That fucker Bernanke was another factor with cheap money being printed by the federal reserve. He knew that this would be coming from the practice of fiat currency.

[cougarjake13]

OccupyPhilly started today at City Hall right across the street from my office. As of now there's a few hundred people and they're pretty quiet.

heard there wasnt much going on at the one here in tampa either

[Syd]

List of demands. This was from a contributor to the Occupywallst site and not an official list but Im sure the organizers would concur.

Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Demand four: Free college education.

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.

Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.



Sure lets become another Greece.

They're demanding something similar to the Scandinavian model. I wouldn't mind becoming another Finland or Sweden. That's not entirely dissimilar to what Australia offers its citizens either (except abbos, apparently, fuck them) and for the most part what they're demanding isn't unheart of in first world countries, or even second world countries.

Also, the root cause of the Greek debt crisis was gaming their financial reports to comply with the Masstricht Treaty. They covered up a ton of debt, began borrowing money through euro loans and then when the market was destroyed realized how foolish it is borrowing large sums of money that aren't denominations you can print.

Greece's debt managers agreed a huge deal with the savvy bankers of US investment bank Goldman Sachs at the start of 2002. The deal involved so-called cross-currency swaps in which government debt issued in dollars and yen was swapped for euro debt for a certain period -- to be exchanged back into the original currencies at a later date.

Fictional Exchange Rates

Such transactions are part of normal government refinancing. Europe's governments obtain funds from investors around the world by issuing bonds in yen, dollar or Swiss francs. But they need euros to pay their daily bills. Years later the bonds are repaid in the original foreign denominations.

But in the Greek case the US bankers devised a special kind of swap with fictional exchange rates. That enabled Greece to receive a far higher sum than the actual euro market value of 10 billion dollars or yen. In that way Goldman Sachs secretly arranged additional credit of up to $1 billion for the Greeks.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,676634,00.html

[Syd]

Holy shit. That fucker Bernanke was another factor with cheap money being printed by the federal reserve. He knew that this would be coming from the practice of fiat currency.

Go look up the t-bills here, especially historical values:
http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/interest-rates/Pages/TextView.aspx?data=billrates

Inflation hasn't been a concern, or at least by people who have money riding on it. Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly are just talking the talk.

It's mainly the companies who can't afford to get the fed to do what they want but who have enough money to pay for Fox News and Rush to steer coverage toward being Chicken Little about inflation even though we're all but dipping our toes in deflation.

[Syd]

last but not least, sure it's Harkin who is a populist but:

“For more than a decade we’ve been told that endless tax breaks for corporations and the wealthy would result in millions jobs and a booming economy. That’s the same old trickle-down economics that has never worked before and it is not working now. For most Americans the only thing that has trickled down are wage cuts, upside-down mortgages, mass unemployment, personal bankruptcies and disappearing pensions,” Harkin said on a conference call with the media Thursday morning.

http://www.americanindependent.com/197706/harkin-warns-against-ignoring-occupy-movement

Some politician finally gets it. 30 years of low taxes and free trade have just given us steadily decreasing wages and steadily increasing unemployment.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

They're demanding something similar to the Scandinavian model. I wouldn't mind becoming another Finland or Sweden. That's not entirely dissimilar to what Australia offers its citizens either (except abbos, apparently, fuck them) and for the most part what they're demanding isn't unheart of in first world countries, or even second world countries.

Also, the root cause of the Greek debt crisis was gaming their financial reports to comply with the Masstricht Treaty. They covered up a ton of debt, began borrowing money through euro loans and then when the market was destroyed realized how foolish it is borrowing large sums of money that aren't denominations you can print.



http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,676634,00.html

The country is too big and the population at 309 million would not be able so sustain system like Norway/Sweden etc. We are collapsing with our already bloated big government.



In the greek scenario, maybe they should have not joined the Eurozone and kept the drachma. Tying countries to one single currency was foolish.

Its not just greece in trouple its Portugal, Ireland, Spain and Italy.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Heres how to help the cause. Pay a bunch of illegal aliens carrying signs in Spanish. Not like any of those illiterates know what the signs say

http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/06/organizer-admits-to-paying-occupy-dc-protesters-video/


Why the fuck are these crybabies complaining? They should be grateful they live in a country where they dont have to drink out of the same rivers they piss in. Where they have electricity and running water and get catered to by receiving lavish entitlements all for sneaking in and having multiple children and leaving taxpayers with the bill. Fuck em they ran like cowards instead of fixing their own country, they come to dump on ours and have the chutzpah to bitch about how bad it is here

[Syd]

The country is too big and the population at 309 million would not be able so sustain system like Norway/Sweden etc. We are collapsing with our already bloated big government.



In the greek scenario, maybe they should have not joined the Eurozone and kept the drachma. Tying countries to one single currency was foolish.

Its not just greece in trouple its Portugal, Ireland, Spain and Italy.

Our per capita GDP is superior to every country but Norway, which has massive oil reserves that are currently being exploited. It would work just fine -- the difference is Sweden and other Scandinavian countries pay around 10% of their total budget on the military, instead of 60% as America does.

The Greek scenario is exactly that -- tying countries to a single currency, or at least a currency they have no control over, really limits their options during a recession. You can see the same thing happening in failed states here in America like Texas and California.

As far as Portugal, Ireland, Spain and Italy go they used the same circumventions of Maastricht to show their debt was better under control than it was. All those countries have weak or stagnant economies which makes almost any debt that doesn't provide an instant return very untenable.

[Melk]

I don't disagree with all of the demands laid on the Occupy Wall Street site, but some of these are over-the-top.

Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.
Twenty dollars an hour? For any job? For the cashiers at Best Buy? The waitresses at Denny's?

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.
I don't have anything against this idea. The whole idea of having health insurance tied up in your place of employment is madness. If you get sick for long periods of time it puts a massive strain on your company and (in some cases) gets individuals openly blamed for rising premiums. I literally had a boss say during a meeting, "You will notice that our insurance premiums have increased 18% because Betty went and had a difficult pregnancy." If you are injured in such a way to where it would be unreasonable for you to head back to your same job, you could lose your insurance. The alternative is private insurance. The medical system in the states is broken. I am not certain that universal single-payer is the answer.

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.
I need more information to comment on this.

Demand four: Free college education.
I would be for this provided that, like the GI Bill, there is a requirement that the person getting the "free" or "discounted" education has to pull a 3.00 or better GPA and there is a tuition cap.

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.
Not against this, but I would like to know the "how."

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.
My town has so many construction projects going on that more may make it impossible to visit the neighboring suburbs. I am much more interested in seeing improvements in the railroad, public transportation, the electrical grids, and investment in fiber optics.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.
I am for the first, but heavily against decommissioning America's nuclear power plants. Use the money to improve the nuclear power containment. In the short run, until we can find "more sustainable, greener energy sources," nuclear power is the more desirable alternative to coal-powered power plants.

Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.
I don't necessarily disagree with having a racial or gender equality amendment, but in many of the countries that have such amendments, gender and racial discrimination still occurs in public view.

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.
No. Just, no.

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.
I don't have a problem with this. Make the UN pay for it.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.[QUOTE]
So, they won't leave Wall Street until not only the US but the entire world forgives their outstanding debts? Good luck. Does this mean that my bank can take back all of my earned interest and default on my bonds or CDs? I appreciate that the downtrodden want a way to dig themselves out of the hole, but forgive everything is a frightening proposition.

[QUOTE]Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.
I don't have a problem with this.

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.
Sure, why not.

My problems are mostly the living wage for everyone proposal, deactivate all nuclear power plants demand, and the open borders thing.

[Syd]

My problems are mostly the living wage for everyone proposal, deactivate all nuclear power plants demand, and the open borders thing.

I'm not too familiar with "living wages" since endgame for my ideology is abolishing the wage system but I believe that it has to do with making sure the minimum salary for any worker is at least above poverty level.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I thought progressives were for the environment. I took a stroll down there yesterday and it looks like a 3rd world dump. The smell of human waste, urine, garbage everywhere it was sickening

These people dont want to end crony capitalism. They have officially morphed into a kill private property and have a collectivist attitude. No borders, no liberty just dependence from the government.

If they hate corporations why are they tweeting on Iphones or updating facebook from Macbooks?

I think its going to turn violent. While it wont be like Tinanmen sq. It could be a kent state like scenario

[StanUpshaw]

We demand that RF.net will actually load 24 hours a day.

We are the 99%

[Dude!]

We demand that RF.net will actually load 24 hours a day.

We are the 99%

QFT

forget the tired and the poor
urinating to be free

[WRESTLINGFAN]

We demand that RF.net will actually load 24 hours a day.

We are the 99%

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

As part of the 53% who pays federal income taxes, I demand those dirty fuckers shower. Lower Manhattan looks like a refugee camp

[Syd]

I thought progressives were for the environment. I took a stroll down there yesterday and it looks like a 3rd world dump. The smell of human waste, urine, garbage everywhere it was sickening

That's what happens when large groups of people congregate in a small area. It doesn't diminish what the protest is for, just the glaring realization that government services are important.

These people dont want to end crony capitalism. They have officially morphed into a kill private property and have a collectivist attitude. No borders, no liberty just dependence from the government.

Have they? There are Wobblies in the protests but the message of the protest hasn't been very communist. Nor have they said anything about borders. In fact, they're trying to expand upon liberties by limiting the influence of the few over the many. As far as dependence from the government, where are they advocating that? You're just throwing out stuff like Beck and hoping it sticks to the wall.

If they hate corporations why are they tweeting on Iphones or updating facebook from Macbooks?

There's a certain panache in using the tools of corporations to take them down. Look at what the Yes Men did when they used the PR machine to declare the victims of the Bhopal disaster would be awarded a settlement.

I think its going to turn violent. While it wont be like Tinanmen sq. It could be a kent state like scenario

It already has turned violent when all the wanna-be soldiers in the NYPD decided to throw down against the protestors.

[Melk]

I'm not too familiar with "living wages" since endgame for my ideology is abolishing the wage system but I believe that it has to do with making sure the minimum salary for any worker is at least above poverty level.
I agree that there needs to be a way to get entry-level workers who are willing to make the commitment to stay with their company on track to make decent to good wages for what is too often called, "Unskilled Labor" or "McJobs." I cannot figure out how the Japanese businesses I frequented McDonald's locations that started their employees at 11 dollars per-hour days and 14 dollars per-hour after 9pm and the workers (for the most part) were friendly and professionally dressed.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That's what happens when large groups of people congregate in a small area. It doesn't diminish what the protest is for, just the glaring realization that government services are important.

We the 53% are paying for those gov't services. These people can collect garbage and toss them in the thousands of dumpsters in NYC

Have they? There are Wobblies in the protests but the message of the protest hasn't been very communist. Nor have they said anything about borders. In fact, they're trying to expand upon liberties by limiting the influence of the few over the many. As far as dependence from the government, where are they advocating that? You're just throwing out stuff like Beck and hoping it sticks to the wall.


When you have people like Frances Fox Piven, Illegal aliens, Various unions, Open borders advocates it turns into a left wing lalapalooza

There's a certain panache in using the tools of corporations to take them down. Look at what the Yes Men did when they used the PR machine to declare the victims of the Bhopal disaster would be awarded a settlement.


They should be calling boycotts of Apple, Verizon, Research in Motion, Twitter etc

It already has turned violent when all the wanna-be soldiers in the NYPD decided to throw down against the protestors.

If Police are brutalizing people for no reason, then punish them, but if they are getting taunted and harassed having things thrown at them then the protesters should be arrested.


Not every cop is a saint and the same goes for protesters

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/296555_10150330904643821_171420938820_8234725_2867 68971_n.jpg

[cougarjake13]

im 99% sure i gotta take a shit


thats my message

[Bob Impact]

Have they? There are Wobblies in the protests but the message of the protest hasn't been very communist. Nor have they said anything about borders. In fact, they're trying to expand upon liberties by limiting the influence of the few over the many. As far as dependence from the government, where are they advocating that? You're just throwing out stuff like Beck and hoping it sticks to the wall.

Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Demand four: Free college education.

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.

Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

[Bob Impact]

Point one is my favorite... raise the tariffs so we get cut off from goods produced externally, raise wages so it's significantly more difficult to produce anything, things get produced by ... blank out.

[JPMNICK]

Point one is my favorite... raise the tariffs so we get cut off from goods produced externally, raise wages so it's significantly more difficult to produce anything, things get produced by ... blank out.

i was coming here to type the same thing. do you know how quickly we would have an inflation problem is everyone in the county was making 40k a year.

and then do you know how quickly everyone who was on welfare would be complaining about taxes when they have to pay 28% of 40k.

oh and 2 TRILLION dollars in infrastructure and parks/ecological.... should be easy to raise that much cash while paying for college and disrupting the core values this county has been built on.

[booster11373]

So according to the wisest people in this this thread and by wisest I mean post the most

Being part of a system automatically renders one unable to demand any change in said system

[underdog]

i was coming here to type the same thing. do you know how quickly we would have an inflation problem is everyone in the county was making 40k a year.

and then do you know how quickly everyone who was on welfare would be complaining about taxes when they have to pay 28% of 40k.

oh and 2 TRILLION dollars in infrastructure and parks/ecological.... should be easy to raise that much cash while paying for college and disrupting the core values this county has been built on.

What core values will be disrupted?

[underdog]

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/296555_10150330904643821_171420938820_8234725_2867 68971_n.jpg

This is what happens when unfunny people try to be funny.

And what the fuck does a street light have to do with the protesters?

[underdog]

As part of the 53% who pays federal income taxes, I demand those dirty fuckers shower. Lower Manhattan looks like a refugee camp

No one believes you actually pay income tax and no one believes that you actually went to lower Manhattan.

[StanUpshaw]

So according to the wisest people in this this thread and by wisest I mean post the most

Being part of a system automatically renders one unable to demand any change in said system

You can demand change. But you're going to get called out for being a phony sack of shit when all you're doing is blowing smoke, instead of actually taking the actions that would hold the most potential for actualizing change.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No one believes you actually pay income tax and no one believes that you actually went to lower Manhattan.



Is no one your alter ego?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This is what happens when unfunny people try to be funny.

And what the fuck does a street light have to do with the protesters?


It's nothing but an AstroTurf movement. Down with capitalism maaaaaaaaan!!! Now excuse me while I get a latte from Starbucks and tweet from my I phone how I hate corporations

[disneyspy]

i tweeted yesterday that i will #occupymycouch it didn't trend surprisingly

well well well,guess whats picking up? yes i have the first # on the list

[spoon]

well well well,guess whats picking up? yes i have the first # on the list

what can we say, you are the master of all things gay

hell, that's how you became a mod after all

this is rf.net

home of the rick moranis impersonator

ok, former home

[disneyspy]

then our pickem league must be really gay

[WRESTLINGFAN]

99% of the people dont take shits on police cars


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/08/article-2046586-0E481DB700000578-865_634x366.jpg

They also clean up after themselves.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/08/article-2046586-0E480D0D00000578-735_634x415.jpg


The rich dont care about the environment maaaaaaaaaaaaaannnn. But we do


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/08/article-2046586-0E4811E800000578-156_634x414.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Even though hes a truther, Hes right about Obama and Wall St


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/07/article-2046586-0E4445BA00000578-159_634x613.jpg

[spoon]

yes he does, like every president and politician

however, the repubs are skipping dinner and just getting right down on the knees and blowing wall street for the money left over on the dresser

[StanUpshaw]

yes he does, like every president and politician

however, the repubs are skipping dinner and just getting right down on the knees and blowing wall street for the money left over on the dresser

Not that I disagree, but what are your criteria for this? And what does the "nuh-uh you are" tactic accomplish?

[spoon]

more like uh huh both are

[underdog]

It's nothing but an AstroTurf movement. Down with capitalism maaaaaaaaan!!! Now excuse me while I get a latte from Starbucks and tweet from my I phone how I hate corporations

Good to know you still cannot talk without awful cliches and catch phrases.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Good to know you still cannot talk without awful cliches and catch phrases.

Just pointing out the protesters talking from both sides of their faces


Are they not bitching about a system that they need to get their message across?

What is their purpose? What do they want? If it was to bitch about bailouts OK, I was against them too. But their cause has morphed out of their original concerns.

Why isnt their anger towards DC? 2 Auto companies were bailed out, they didnt pay their loans back, didnt post profits and make cars that nobody wants. How about Fannie and Freddie being bailed out and still losing money.


Maybe they should read this article.

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/30/business/fannie-mae-eases-credit-to-aid-mortgage-lending.html

[hanso]

http://i.imgur.com/OOX5p.jpg (http://imgur.com/OOX5p)

You-Are-Under-Abreast

[JPMNICK]

What core values will be disrupted?

The under pinions of capitalism.

[spoon]

Good to know you still cannot talk without awful cliches and catch phrases.

and it's as if they have much of a fucking choice at this point, coffee from all those mom and paps coffee shops all over the world? Hell, NYC might be the only place you might run into shit like that any longer.

as for the iphone, i guess you expect them to go get their phones from that other non-corporate giant Verizon and link up their small business Moto Droid right?

cliches, catch phrases, bumper stickers, bad cartoons (with underlying racism), a million links from blogs and truly unbiased sites and parroted bullshit from left wing media outlets = WF

[spoon]

Just pointing out the protesters talking from both sides of their faces


Are they not bitching about a system that they need to get their message across?

What is their purpose? What do they want? If it was to bitch about bailouts OK, I was against them too. But their cause has morphed out of their original concerns.

Why isnt their anger towards DC? 2 Auto companies were bailed out, they didnt pay their loans back, didnt post profits and make cars that nobody wants. How about Fannie and Freddie being bailed out and still losing money.


Maybe they should read this article.

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/30/business/fannie-mae-eases-credit-to-aid-mortgage-lending.html


Seriously WF, who has been incarcerated or even arrested or charged for the HUGE amount of corruption and outright destruction of this country's net worth, financial stability and overall future? I believe this is a HUGE part of it.

[StanUpshaw]

Seriously WF, who has been incarcerated or even arrested or charged for the HUGE amount of corruption and outright destruction of this country's net worth, financial stability and overall future? I believe this is a HUGE part of it.

No one goes to jail, they get reelected to their 13th consecutive term.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

and it's as if they have much of a fucking choice at this point, coffee from all those mom and paps coffee shops all over the world? Hell, NYC might be the only place you might run into shit like that any longer.

as for the iphone, i guess you expect them to go get their phones from that other non-corporate giant Verizon and link up their small business Moto Droid right?

cliches, catch phrases, bumper stickers, bad cartoons (with underlying racism), a million links from blogs and truly unbiased sites and parroted bullshit from left wing media outlets = WF

What underlying racism? That Obama is inept, incompetent. Keep playing that race card. Thats so fucking bush league and such a bitch move on your part. Criticize obama and its racism grow the fuck up.


Catch phrases and bumper stickers are coming from the slobs in downtown manhattan.


Zucotti park looks worse than Darfur

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Seriously WF, who has been incarcerated or even arrested or charged for the HUGE amount of corruption and outright destruction of this country's net worth, financial stability and overall future? I believe this is a HUGE part of it.

Contact the US Atty Gen office

Eric Holder is too busy suing states for enforcing their laws and being involved with a gun running program that gets more exposure every day.


Who is defending the banks? its not entirely their fault. You have GSEs like Fannie and Freddie and politicians that have also contributed to this disaster

[spoon]

What underlying racism? That Obama is inept, incompetent. Keep playing that race card. Thats so fucking bush league and such a bitch move on your part. Criticize obama and its racism grow the fuck up.


Catch phrases and bumper stickers are coming from the slobs in downtown manhattan.


Zucotti park looks worse than Darfur

It's not even close to a bitch out, it's the essence of so much of what the republican party rally around and show even more with respect to the Tea Party. Hell, look at one of their top candidates and his blind eye even being a politician to his lodge/hunting camp. Tie in how they blasted their african american candidate in not so open ways for saying it IS offensive (stay in line basically) and so much more. Are you blind WF? Or just stupid? It's all Obama hate for you, even if others are speaking in broader terms.

catch phrases and bumper stickers are coming from both the protests and your daily rss feed

the only difference is they are putting them on bumpers and protest signs

also, the rest of the country is en route to look like Darfur too if it continues down this path

...10, 9, 8, 7...until you say bc of Obama vs. both parties and their tie to fucking HUGE business and money overall as compared to what's best for this country and it's people

[spoon]

Contact the US Atty Gen office

Eric Holder is too busy suing states for enforcing their laws and being involved with a gun running program that gets more exposure every day.


Who is defending the banks? its not entirely their fault. You have GSEs like Fannie and Freddie and politicians that have also contributed to this disaster

yep, the only thing i could expect you to come back at me with, more salt and pepper on the meal that is shoved down our throats as to what really caused this shit storm

contact the gov in any way is a fucking joke, regardless of who is in

if anything this current regime has all but proven that

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It's not even close to a bitch out, it's the essence of so much of what the republican party rally around and show even more with respect to the Tea Party. Hell, look at one of their top candidates and his blind eye even being a politician to his lodge/hunting camp. Tie in how they blasted their african american candidate in not so open ways for saying it IS offensive (stay in line basically) and so much more. Are you blind WF? Or just stupid? It's all Obama hate for you, even if others are speaking in broader terms.

catch phrases and bumper stickers are coming from both the protests and your daily rss feed

the only difference is they are putting them on bumpers and protest signs

also, the rest of the country is en route to look like Darfur too if it continues down this path

...10, 9, 8, 7...until you say bc of Obama vs. both parties and their tie to fucking HUGE business and money overall as compared to what's best for this country and it's people


Have you been watching the news? Perry is sinking in the polls. He is a fucking horrible debator and when got called out he couldnt defend his actions. Rick Santorum another dope slapped the shit out of him in the debates.

In regards to Obama, pointing out him being incompetent and another politician is shocking news? He is getting a lions share of contributions from Wall St. However the masses in Lower manhattan will vote for him again.

[StanUpshaw]

also, the rest of the country is en route to look like Darfur too if it continues down this path

Now who's being racist?????

[Dude!]

Now who's being racist?????

those who scream 'racist' loudest
are usually the most racist

like the preachers and their faggotry

[brettmojo]

Have you been watching the news? Perry is sinking in the polls. He is a fucking horrible debator and when got called out he couldnt defend his actions. Rick Santorum another dope slapped the shit out of him in the debates.

In regards to Obama, pointing out him being incompetent and another politician is shocking news? He is getting a lions share of contributions from Wall St. However the masses in Lower manhattan will vote for him again.
http://mispeled.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/douche-turd2.jpg

[underdog]

The under pinions of capitalism.

One of our country's core values was capitalism?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I don't see anywhere in the constitution anywhere that free college is a core value

[Syd]

nothing in the Constitution about letting women to vote, blacks to vote, men without property to vote, senators to be directly elected or judicial review for that matter

yet, sure enough, those things are constitutional now

[WRESTLINGFAN]

nothing in the Constitution about letting women to vote, blacks to vote, men without property to vote, senators to be directly elected or judicial review for that matter

yet, sure enough, those things are constitutional now

Voting has nothing to do with taking someone elses money and giving it to someone for a free secondary education

In regards to the 17th Amendment another Wilson era disaster that needs to be repealed.

[Syd]

voting had everything to do with taking people's money without giving them representation, or, for that matter, even defining them as a person instead of property

[spoon]

Now who's being racist?????

The comment has nothing to do with race.

http://mispeled.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/douche-turd2.jpg

seriously, not more needs to be said

SP on it again


WF takes everything as if we have to take sides, when in fact it's the lesser of evils overall in one's mind. You might not pick right every time, but I truly can't believe we'd be better off right now if the old man had won. If anything, the entrenchment of the same underlings in dc is a huge issue, not just those elected. Tie into that the share of voice average people have versus corporate money, and there you have our issues wrapped up and finished off with a nice little bow. Sure it's simplistic, but it's a valid breakdown overall.

[StanUpshaw]

Do quotes count as bumper stickers? I can't keep track. I'll just make it a bumper sticker to play it safe.

http://i.imgur.com/KdCzj.png (http://imgur.com/KdCzj)

[spoon]

longest bumber sticker ever
aboo!

but still, i chuckled

[hanso]

One of our country's core values was capitalism?

I prefer Jeffersonian Democracy.




I hear this if you want to write a check to the government go ahead. We all pay into the system so what is wrong with those on lower rungs taking some back. If you don't need it then don't take.

[hanso]

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Miss this guy.

[Syd]

The fact is that the mega-rich have been gobbling up a greater and greater share of the national wealth for several decades now: in 1976 the top 1 per cent of households received 8.9 per cent of all pre-tax income - by 2008, its share had more than doubled to 21.0 per cent. Between 1979 and 2009, the top 5 per cent of American families saw their real incomes increase 72.7 per cent, according to Census data. Over the same period, the lowest-income fifth saw a decrease in real income of 7.4 per cent (by contrast, the 1947-79 period all income groups saw similar income gains, with the lowest income group actually seeing the largest gains). And perhaps most astonishingly, the tax rate for the highest earners was 91 per cent in 1960, 70 per cent in 1980 and only 35 per cent today, the lowest ever with the exception of a couple of years in the late 80s and early 90s.

And it's not as if these people have been suffering during this recession. Unlike the bottom 99 per cent, they've quite smartly recovered from the 2008 unpleasantness. For instance, according to a recent New York Times report, executive pay at 200 big US companies last year went up by an average 23 per cent over 2009 - the median executive salary was 10.8m USD. Meanwhile, the average American family's household net worth declined 23 per cent between 2007 and 2009.

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/10/2011106141230738325.html

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The 2 Pelosi's



Pelosi thought teabaggers were violent

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God Bless the occupiers

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Whos a whore to Wall St? Well its those filthy Republicans who want to take away food from babies


Oh wait


http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/10/obama-attacks-banks-while-raking-in-wall-street-dough/

[angrymissy]

Even tho I am a super filthy liberal, as libby as you can get

I have no sympathy for the sign I saw today saying "I have $100k in loans from my art school education and can't get a job" from a guy with huge stretched earrings in his ears and multiple facial piercings

seriously

$100k on art school? And take out your goddamned plugs before you go on an interview

[Dude!]

Even tho I am a super filthy liberal, as libby as you can get

I have no sympathy for the sign I saw today saying "I have $100k in loans from my art school education and can't get a job" from a guy with huge stretched earrings in his ears and multiple facial piercings

seriously

$100k on art school? And take out your goddamned plugs before you go on an interview

this is real progress...

all we need is for
you to get mugged
and you'll be a 100% conservative

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If this was about banks being bailed out, I agree with them. However wheres the outcry over bailing out the auto industry? While the banks involve risk and leveraging, bailing out GM and Chrysler have proven to be failures.

Plus what the fuck does Investigate 9/11 have to do with bailouts?

[A.J.]

Even tho I am a super filthy liberal, as libby as you can get

I have no sympathy for the sign I saw today saying "I have $100k in loans from my art school education and can't get a job" from a guy with huge stretched earrings in his ears and multiple facial piercings

seriously

$100k on art school? And take out your goddamned plugs before you go on an interview

I hope the sign was at least the prettiest one there.

[angrymissy]

this is real progress...

all we need is for
you to get mugged
and you'll be a 100% conservative

I should become a job coach. I will stand and yell at kids before they go to interviews and tell them to put on a nice pair of pants and remove those piercings. I fully believe my brother would not have worn decent pants to interviews if my sister and I did not stand there and yell at him.

There are truly sad stories and I do believe the system needs a change. I've somehow lucked out in my career w/ no degree and coming from a poor background, but I realize it could disappear in an instant and I'd be fucked.

I just don't have sympathy for most of the younger generation bitching about high student loan debt. Especially when they don't look presentable. I used to think my Grandmother was a bitch for yelling at me to brush my hair and wear nice clothes when going for a job, but she was totally right.

I also don't have sympathy for the ones who are angry that they can't work their dream jobs and have to be a "wage slave". Gotta be realistic. I don't love my job, but it gives me money. I don't have expectations to have some amazing dream job, that's just not how life works. I hate to use my brother as an example again, but he's 22 so part of that generation. He just told me the other day "screw college, I want to find a job where I can make money, trade school. I don't care if I love it or not, I just need to make money so I can have money to do fun things outside of work". He said this after talking about his friend who has been unemployed for 3 years now because he wants to be a reporter, but doesn't want to make $25k a year to start.

He wants to be a photographer, but is taking my advice to get a BS career to make $$$, do his photography on the side, and if it takes off, fine, do it for a living! But I think a lot of kids his age don't think that way.

[A.J.]

I also don't have sympathy for the ones who are angry that they can't work their dream jobs and have to be a "wage slave". Gotta be realistic. I don't love my job, but it gives me money. I don't have expectations to have some amazing dream job, that's just not how life works. I hate to use my brother as an example again, but he's 22 so part of that generation. He just told me the other day "screw college, I want to find a job where I can make money, trade school. I don't care if I love it or not, I just need to make money so I can have money to do fun things outside of work".

I sound like an old fart

Tell your brother the lesson I learned years ago: NEVER take a job for just the money. I wasted many years in a well-paying job that I absolutely despised going to.

[Furtherman]

II just don't have sympathy for most of the younger generation bitching about high student loan debt. Especially when they don't look presentable.

Agreed. Paying your loans is like paying your dues. There are ways to get it over quickly, but number one is don't get in over your head in the first place.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The signs Debt is slavery are so off base.

Slavery is forced labor. Someone taking out a car loan or credit card did that voluntarily

[sailor]

Tell your brother the lesson I learned years ago: NEVER take a job for just the money. I wasted many years in a well-paying job that I absolutely despised going to.

And now you get to make decent money helping fabricate the 9/11 myth. Dare to dream!

[angrymissy]

Tell your brother the lesson I learned years ago: NEVER take a job for just the money. I wasted many years in a well-paying job that I absolutely despised going to.

He's going to learn something like xray tech so he can make money while pursuing his interests outside of work. He's the type of person that needs a job where they tell you exactly what to do and understands that, so this is his new goal, rather than 4 years of college.

I'm an Admin Asst. It's not something, I'm passionate about, but it's a decent way to earn a living, and I've carved out a decent little career for myself along the way. I just think kids need to realize that they're not going to get their dream job right out of the gate... and be able to live off the salary it pays.

[Syd]

Even tho I am a super filthy liberal, as libby as you can get

I have no sympathy for the sign I saw today saying "I have $100k in loans from my art school education and can't get a job" from a guy with huge stretched earrings in his ears and multiple facial piercings

seriously

$100k on art school? And take out your goddamned plugs before you go on an interview

Nope, fuck them. Degrees in arts are admirable and all but you have to take a page from Mike Rowe and get your hands dirty sometimes.

[angrymissy]

Agreed. Paying your loans is like paying your dues. There are ways to get it over quickly, but number one is don't get in over your head in the first place.

The $100k on Art School is what really killed me. $100k on med school and you can't find a job? I feel you. $100k on ART SCHOOL? What exactly did you think you were going to get a job in that would allow you to pay back $100k in loans for freaking art school!?

I also saw another sign from a 17 year old saying that she now doesn't know how to go to college, because her father won't pay for it because he doesn't approve of her major. I bet it's art school.

I had no funds for college, so I didn't go right away. I just worked a shitload of clerical jobs, and and taken classes here or there paid for by my job.

I think that they have many good points, I just don't necessarily agree with the people upset about student loan debt, or not finding jobs in their artsy fields that pay well, or their parents not wanting to pay for their school. I think they damage the cause and cause people to ignore the good points being made (people can't afford health insurance)

[StanUpshaw]

Why is one category of entitlement fine, but not another?

[angrymissy]

This guy? Awful. Horrific that we treat veterans this way
<img src="http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lst3lryZB11r25y9yo1_500.jpg">

This guy can go fuck himself, again with the almost $100k art school degree. Is there one art school ripping off thousands of kids or something?
<img src="http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lstqsfs7W51r25y9yo1_500.jpg">

[angrymissy]

Why is one category of entitlement fine, but not another?

To clarify, I don't think anyone is entitled to have their loans forgiven, unless they were in one of those special situations where you are reimbursed for them if you take a specific job in the public sector. You know what you're getting into when you sign those papers. There is no way in hell I would have ever taken on $100k in debt for any schooling at that age. I also have to wonder how in the hell their parents allowed them to do something like that.

My point is, I do feel bad for people who took loans like that for law school or med school, as those are considered careers worth spending the money on for schooling. You have a reasonable expectation that you will make enough money to pay back those loans with that career. I just have no idea what type of job an art student thinks they're going to get that will allow them to pay off $100k in debt.

I also believe that humans are entitled to health care. I don't see that as an entitlement, I see it as a basic human need, and find it abhorrent that people are suffering simply because they cannot afford treatment.

[Snacks]

To clarify, I don't think anyone is entitled to have their loans forgiven, unless they were in one of those special situations where you are reimbursed for them if you take a specific job in the public sector. You know what you're getting into when you sign those papers. There is no way in hell I would have ever taken on $100k in debt for any schooling at that age. I also have to wonder how in the hell their parents allowed them to do something like that.

My point is, I do feel bad for people who took loans like that for law school or med school, as those are considered careers worth spending the money on for schooling. You have a reasonable expectation that you will make enough money to pay back those loans with that career. I just have no idea what type of job an art student thinks they're going to get that will allow them to pay off $100k in debt.

I also believe that humans are entitled to health care. I don't see that as an entitlement, I see it as a basic human need, and find it abhorrent that people are suffering simply because they cannot afford treatment.

I dont see how everyone doesnt see this? This should be the most important social issue yet seems to always get pushed to the side.

As for college, it has become pretty much mandatory to have a college degree to have a career. Almost every job that would be a career has now started to demand a bachelors degree. Bachelors degree are like the new high school diploma. If you dont have 1 chances are you cant get any job worth making a career. Even sales jobs that in the past were about performance now in many cases require at least a Bachelors.

I feel bad for everyone who has student loans even the one with 100k for art school because we continue to see our kids and society lies. We pretty much tell everyone the American dream and make it seem like we can all do what we love but once people hit 30 and 35 and 40 and realize that everything we were told as children and even while in college is all fantasy. So by the time reality kicks in you have that college debt and still cant find work you thought you would or at the very least cant find work that you love or have been trained to do.

[Dude!]

I also believe that humans are entitled to health care. I don't see that as an entitlement, I see it as a basic human need, and find it abhorrent that people are suffering simply because they cannot afford treatment.

that is crazy-girl logic

free food! free shelter! free everything!

[StanUpshaw]

I feel bad for everyone who has student loans even the one with 100k for art school because we continue to see our kids and society lies. We pretty much tell everyone the American dream and make it seem like we can all do what we love but once people hit 30 and 35 and 40 and realize that everything we were told as children and even while in college is all fantasy. So by the time reality kicks in you have that college debt and still cant find work you thought you would or at the very least cant find work that you love or have been trained to do.

This is getting closer to the real problem. It's insanity to try to fulfill everyone's wants and desires for the things the movies promised them they'd have. We need to focus on managing expectations and getting kids in touch with fucking reality. Selling this idea that everyone is going to live like Friends is poison; as much so as telling kids that the military are heroes fighting for our freedom. We need to end the bullshit.

[Snacks]

This is getting closer to the real problem. It's insanity to try to fulfill everyone's wants and desires for the things the movies promised them they'd have. We need to focus on managing expectations and getting kids in touch with fucking reality. Selling this idea that everyone is going to live like Friends is poison; as much so as telling kids that the military are heroes fighting for our freedom. We need to end the bullshit.

I agree we as a society/parents/country etc all sell this shit to our youth and then when they get older its not reality. it happened to us, our parents and everyone who is graduating now and will continue. Its all part of the sales pitch about how great everyone is, how great our country is and how great life is. Maybe there should be more reality told to everyone from the get go? Instead of giving every kid a trophy or saying how talented they are when they suck they should be told the truth?

[StanUpshaw]

I agree we as a society/parents/country etc all sell this shit to our youth and then when they get older its not reality. it happened to us, our parents and everyone who is graduating now and will continue. Its all part of the sales pitch about how great everyone is, how great our country is and how great life is. Maybe there should be more reality told to everyone from the get go? Instead of giving every kid a trophy or saying how talented they are when they suck they should be told the truth?

Maybe the church was on to something. "You're all sinners and are going to hell!!!!"

[Snacks]

Maybe the church was on to something. "You're all sinners and are going to hell!!!!"

that might be a little to far on the opposite end of this discussion. we need to have it somewhere in the middle.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Is a degree really needed to become a police officer? I know most departments require people to have at least an associates, when years ago only a HS degree was needed. Now if people want to become Lts, Capts and higher I wouldnt disagree that at least a 4 year is needed. Thats how it works for the military.

As far as sales, thats really something that cant be taught, people are either born with the skills of being a salesman or not,

[Snacks]

Is a degree really needed to become a police officer? I know most departments require people to have at least an associates, when years ago only a HS degree was needed. Now if people want to become Lts, Capts and higher I wouldnt disagree that at least a 4 year is needed. Thats how it works for the military.

As far as sales, thats really something that cant be taught, people are either born with the skills of being a salesman or not,

But thats considered a govt job. one that costs money but doesnt bring any money in. so you and your people (right wing) are usually against those jobs. And yes many do now require 4 year degrees. It went from hs only, to 2 year degree to now a 4 year degree in many places especially to in highly populated large towns, citys and states!

I agree with you on sales. But b/c their is such competition for work they now weed out by forcing a degree requirement for many good sales jobs.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

NYC Only requires an associates , theyll also take 2 yrs in the Military. I used that as an example because its the nations largest PD




"Make sure you qualify to take the exam. You must be at least 17 ½ and no older than 35 to take the exam. To be hired, you must be at least 21, a U.S. citizen, have 60 hours of college credit or two years in the military, an unrestricted New York State driver's license and you must be a resident of one of the five boroughs of New York City or a surrounding county."

Who is opposed to having police and fire services? People on the right believe that they should be locally funded thru sales/property taxes.

[sailor]

I agree we as a society/parents/country etc all sell this shit to our youth and then when they get older its not reality. it happened to us, our parents and everyone who is graduating now and will continue. Its all part of the sales pitch about how great everyone is, how great our country is and how great life is. Maybe there should be more reality told to everyone from the get go? Instead of giving every kid a trophy or saying how talented they are when they suck they should be told the truth?

It didn't happen to everyone. You're only speaking for yourself.

[Dirtbag]

But thats considered a govt job. one that costs money but doesnt bring any money in. so you and your people (right wing) are usually against those jobs.

Cops don't bring in money? I suppose in some ways I'm fortunate to live in an area where the cops have nothing better to do than write traffic tickets all day.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Cops don't bring in money? I suppose in some ways I'm fortunate to live in an area where the cops have nothing better to do than write traffic tickets all day.

With the bad economy, Cities are looking to generate more revenue. There seems to be more seatbelt checks. The ticket might be only $35 but theres an $85 surcharge on it

[Snacks]

It didn't happen to everyone. You're only speaking for yourself.

It didnt happen to me either or at least until recently. I was working and doing what I loved for many years, things did change the past couple of year and everyone goes through ups and downs. But as a whole we need to tell the truth instead of sugar coating it. Life (adult life) isnt all rainbows, puppy dogs and everyone wins and gets a trophy. There is nothing wrong with telling kids they arent good at something or that they wont succeed at everything they try. The point is to try. You can still show you love them by not coddling them!

[Snacks]

Cops don't bring in money? I suppose in some ways I'm fortunate to live in an area where the cops have nothing better to do than write traffic tickets all day.

What i mean is govt jobs (police, fire, teaching etc) arent meant to create/bring in revenue they are meant to do good for society not make a profit!

[hanso]

What i mean is govt jobs (police, fire, teaching etc) arent meant to create/bring in revenue they are meant to do good for society not make a profit!

Never looked at it that way. I see it more as numbers in a larger workforce that will then put money back into the system by spending.

With you on the right making these cuts on this workforce. It must be taking place in every state that has a supermajority. And it does have ill effects.

[StanUpshaw]

There's something so perfectly appropriate with the likes of hanso espousing the Keynesian worldview.

[disneyspy]

There's something so perfectly appropriate with the likes of hanso espousing the Keynesian worldview.

looks like someone thinks they're will hunting

[StanUpshaw]

Say what now?

[disneyspy]

Say what now?

do you like apples?

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[StanUpshaw]

I wish I could be so dreamy!

[disneyspy]

I wish I could be so dreamy!

just grow a pony tail

[Bob Impact]

I prefer the sequel
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You're just no longer that good... Will Hunting.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Kanye West was the celebrity du jour yesterday.


this movement is getting off base. Theres no purpose behind it anymore.

[underdog]

Kanye West was the celebrity du jour yesterday.


this movement is getting off base. Theres no purpose behind it anymore.

Shut up.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Shut up.

Go back to Canada, you can Occupy Toronto

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Viva Che

:lol::lol::lol::lol:


http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/10/11/alg_protests_1010_santos.jpg

[Melk]

Viva Che

:lol::lol::lol::lol:


http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/10/11/alg_protests_1010_santos.jpg
Would it kill these cunts to keep on point and stop feeding their opposition? Apparently, it would.

[Melrapuo]

This guy can go fuck himself, again with the almost $100k art school degree. Is there one art school ripping off thousands of kids or something?
<img src="http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lstqsfs7W51r25y9yo1_500.jpg">

Wonder where this guy was for all the homeless people out there who didn't have OccupyWallStreet to hide behind for their life's mistakes.

The movement has its good points, but this guy can drown in his art debt for all I care. Its called being responsible, not being fucked over.

[Dirtbag]

Would it kill these cunts to keep on point and stop feeding their opposition? Apparently, it would.

For a good amount of these people, that IS on point.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I cant light up a cigar in times square but Bloomberg allows these people to use lower Manhattan as their toilet

[Furtherman]

I cant light up a cigar in times square but Bloomberg allows these people to use lower Manhattan as their toilet

Actually, you can smoke in Times Square. It's not enforced. Much like every argument you make. So smoke 'em if you got 'em Johnny!

[underdog]

I cant light up a cigar in times square but Bloomberg allows these people to use lower Manhattan as their toilet

times square seems like the perfect place for you.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Way to stay on point douches

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I love when Foreigners come here to escape the shitholes they run away from but are the 1st ones to complain


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[booster11373]

!!!this Thread Has Been Wrestling Fanned !!!!

Stand By For All Or Some Of The Following

Pointless Asides

Answering Questions No Asked

Unfunny Cartoons

Endless Links From Biased Sources

Use Of Emoticons To Really Hammer Home The Funny

And An End To Any Actual Discussion

!!this Thread Has Been Wrestling Fanned!!

[Melk]

!!!this Thread Has Been Wrestling Fanned !!!!

Stand By For All Or Some Of The Following

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Answering Questions No Asked

Unfunny Cartoons

Endless Links From Biased Sources

Use Of Emoticons To Really Hammer Home The Funny

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!!this Thread Has Been Wrestling Fanned!!
But...but...but... They have iPods and lattes. It is hypocritical!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

!!!this Thread Has Been Wrestling Fanned !!!!

Stand By For All Or Some Of The Following

Pointless Asides

Asides like the pointless ones the OWS people are making?
Answering Questions No Asked

Whats their purpose
Unfunny Cartoons

Meaning funny and true
Endless Links From Biased Sources

What you call bias I call facts
Use Of Emoticons To Really Hammer Home The Funny

meh
And An End To Any Actual Discussion


Ive discussed how this movement has spiraled int a movement filled with batshit crazy people!!this Thread Has Been Wrestling Fanned!!


Are you part of the 1% always miserable?

[Recyclerz]

Is Pepper Hicks behind OWS?

Exhibit 1

http://www.ronfez.net/gallery//watermark.php?file=5104

[Bob Impact]

Now there's a message I can get behind!

[Crash]

Now there's a message I can get behind!

Yeah, I gotta admit, dude has a point.

[keithy_19]

We are the 99%: The Hypocrisy if protest (http://keithradzion.wordpress.com/2011/10/13/we-are-the-99-percent-the-hypocrisy-of-protest/)

:smoke:

[Jujubees2]

99%ers? Screw that. I'm a 99 44/100%er!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-MFzwMgNaw8Q/Tb6w2rxzWzI/AAAAAAAAAmg/4KV-niWqwno/s1600/ivory.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

100% of the 99% are opposed to having Zuccotti park scrubbed down. The fucking cowards who own the park backed off cleaning it today.

[Melk]

100% of the 99% are opposed to having Zuccotti park scrubbed down. The fucking cowards who own the park backed off cleaning it today.
This has come after multiple requests to have Port-o-johns set up in the square. The Occupy Wall Street sponsors were willing to pay for it. The people who own the square should have let them bring in sanitation, but I think they were hoping that the public would see the photos of people crapping in the streets and think that the OWS people are scumbags. The media has reported OWS's side of the issue so even if there are tons of New Yorkers who hate the OWS protestors, there are plenty of people who openly support this movement.

[Furtherman]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Furtherman/the2.jpg

[Syd]

actually they offered to clean the park as well as install spot-a-pots but Bloomberg doesn't wants it to look like a Hooverville

[sailor]

Has nothing been done with jane's addiction's 1%?

[TripleSkeet]

Im betting Bloomberg is just praying for an early and extremely harsh winter.

[Dude!]

why, so he can't plow again?

[Crash]

why, so he can't plow again?

Water under the bridge. We've worked out all of those problems and we're running like a well oiled machine now. Don't you remember Irene? We were so on top of things we relocated 2,000,000 people to high ground for a thunder storm. We are on top of things baby!

Nothing to see here. Move along.

[StanUpshaw]

Congressional Staffers Gain From Trading in Stocks (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703431604575522434188603198.html)

http://i.imgur.com/TV5xU.jpg

[hanso]

I'm working on operation occupy my bed.

[keithy_19]

I'm working on operation occupy my bed.

Got 'em!

[StanUpshaw]

I will commend OWS for battling their urges to lob Molotovs.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/15/us-italy-demonstrations-violence-idUSTRE79E1ZR20111015

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Who's going to play the role of Nero?


I still think this can happen here. There was a confrontation yesterday when they wanted to clean Zucotti park.

[Melk]

Who's going to play the role of Nero?


I still think this can happen here. There was a confrontation yesterday when they wanted to clean Zucotti park.
It is strange how the participants of these kinds of demonstrations in just about any other country turn bloody while in North America only the police seem to get carried away. Obviously, it isn't the aftermath of an NBA or NHL final that is an entirely different situation.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

1000 Countries


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[Melk]

Wrestlingfan... Welcome to the wonderful world of inflation.

[Chigworthy]

It is strange how the participants of these kinds of demonstrations in just about any other country turn bloody while in North America only the police seem to get carried away.

"seem" being the key word.


Anyway, maybe the amount of bloodshed is directly proportional to the value of what is being fought for:


Can't afford latest iPhone while working part time at a coffee shop:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VAzCyH9YIIU/To5FMWbhFuI/AAAAAAAAOe0/HMwENGhfbm0/s640/Occupy+Wall+Street.png

Can't stand a corrupt, constitution-abolishing dictator and psychopath:
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/images/uploads/2011/february/20/libya_shot110220.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Wrestlingfan... Welcome to the wonderful world of inflation.

Thats just dishonesty on her part. I could understand if she accidentally said it and meant to say 100 countries but shes reading from a prompter

[Melk]

Thats just dishonesty on her part. I could understand if she accidentally said it and meant to say 100 countries but shes reading from a prompter
Seems like an error to me. Not a big deal.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Enough of the V for Vendetta masks. WE GET IT!!!!


Wheres the movement to occupy Fannie and Freddie, The Federal Reserve and GM/Chrysler?

[Melk]

I never realized that V for Vendetta was beloved enough to be appreciated by the downtrodden as it is.

I still don't see what is so confusing about people camping out in front of major mercantile exchanges.

[hanso]

Enough of the V for Vendetta masks. WE GET IT!!!!


Wheres the movement to occupy Fannie and Freddie, The Federal Reserve and GM/Chrysler?

Well get on down there and let your voice be heard.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Didnt know these guys supported them too


http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/17/red-white-and-angry%E2%80%A8-communist-nazi-parties-endorse-occupy-protests/

[A.J.]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llti5fcqQb1qede6xo1_400.gif

[Syd]

Didnt know these guys supported them too


http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/17/red-white-and-angry%E2%80%A8-communist-nazi-parties-endorse-occupy-protests/

Communist Party supporting popular uprisings no surprise
American Nazi Party supporting any defiance to Jewish companies/usurers

but don't worry your pretty little head, the Nazis have the same sort of stances on immigration as you do so the ANP still loves you (they just want to see other people)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Communist Party supporting popular uprisings no surprise
American Nazi Party supporting any defiance to Jewish companies/usurers

but don't worry your pretty little head, the Nazis have the same sort of stances on immigration as you do so the ANP still loves you (they just want to see other people)

Nobody wants to send Mexicans to death camps.


Nazism is against my beliefs for example, they want Draconian gun laws, Massive environmentalism, Anti Smoking laws , public works projects. Heres a quote from the Fuhrer


"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler

[Syd]

Nobody wants to send Mexicans to death camps.


Nazism is against my beliefs for example, they want Draconian gun laws, Massive environmentalism, Anti Smoking laws , public works projects. Heres a quote from the Fuhrer


"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler

Yet oddly enough, the Fascist party in Italy massacred Socialists before and after the invasion of Italy. Plus, there was that whole ideological war against USSR. Words are one thing, deeds are another. The German Nazi Party was no more socialist than the American Republican Party is republican.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Both the Dems and the GOP are not what they used to be. Both want big government as long as it suits their needs.

If Romney wins, it will just be reshuffling the deck chairs

[booster11373]

WF is 99% of this thread

[sailor]

WF is 99% of this thread

He do tend to occupy threads, no?

[TripleSkeet]

Nobody wants to send Mexicans to death camps.


Nazism is against my beliefs for example, they want Draconian gun laws, Massive environmentalism, Anti Smoking laws , public works projects. Heres a quote from the Fuhrer


"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler

Nazis dont smoke????

[StanUpshaw]

Nazis dont smoke????

No, but the Jews sure did.

[Dude!]

No, but the Jews sure did.

bada bing!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://rightbias.com/Images/Cartoons/vw60.jpg

[Syd]

what's I am the 53%, people that buy into the ridiculous notion that 47% of Americans pay no taxes (because of deductions, and this also includes half of all fortune 500 companies in the past decade) but they still pay SS, Medicare and state taxes

love the people thinking that they're all of a sudden going to be making 500-600k/year and have around $5 million in non-real estate wealth and join the 1% one day

[Rhah]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203914304576628873340076918.html?m od=googlenews_wsj

You don't have to be camped out with the protesters to be angry at Wall Street.

Contrary to what you may hear, actual capitalists—those providing capital—get a raw deal down on the Street of Shame.

Here are five groups who have plenty of cause to march. You're probably among them:

1. Mutual-fund investors

Whether you have $1,000 or $1 million in a mutual fund, you're a capitalist. You're providing America's risk capital.

How does Wall Street treat you?

According to Morningstar, the average money manager skims fees of 1.4% a year from your stock fund, and 1% from your bond fund.

It may not sound like much, but it is. Especially these days, when returns are so low anyway.
[SJ_16LEDE]

Look at the cost over time. Consider someone who invested $1,000 every year for the past 30 years in a balanced portfolio of 60% U.S. stocks and 40% bonds. Today, after paying fees, he or she would have about $105,000.

Sound good? Without those fees they'd have $137,000. Wall Street effectively pocketed the other $32,000.

The picture is even starker than it looks. After all, you could have ended up with $54,000 just by keeping your money in risk-free Treasury bills.

So your reward for risking your capital was a more modest $51,000.

It should have been $83,000. But Wall Street pocketed nearly 40% of your return.

Furthermore, the true picture on costs is surely much higher. Fees used to be even higher than today. And we're not even counting the extra hidden cost of trading expenses.

Wall Street claims "management fees" are the price you pay for having them manage your risks. How'd that work out? In the 2008 crash, the average "actively managed" mutual fund actually did worse than an index fund. So much for that.

2. Anyone with a 401(k)

Or the equivalent, like a 403(b) or 457.

Take a look at the mutual-fund "choices" in your retirement plan. Were you offered a gold fund over the past 10 years? No? How about an emerging-markets fund? No? Too bad for you—those would have boomed. Gold is up 19% a year, emerging markets, 16%.
[JT_AB003_v2] Lisa Haney

Instead, I bet they had you in things like "large-cap growth" (up an average 2.4% a year, says Lipper) or "mid-cap blend" (up 6%).

Or they may have shunted you into "target-date" funds. If you're under 50, these had you heavily weighted toward stocks, on the grounds that those "always outperform" over the long term.

Except when they don't—like in the last 14 years.

Those target-date funds also have you much more heavily invested in U.S. stocks, which are up about 30% in the past decade, compared with overseas markets, which are up about 150%.

Never mind. Retirement was so overrated anyway.

3. Hedge-fund investors

No kidding. Rich dentists, Internet tycoons, trust-fund kids, even the richest, most "elitist" investors have cause to join the march.

How come? Wall Street has pocketed most of their returns.

Wall Street markets these funds aggressively to the rich and charges them huge fees—often 2% of assets each year, plus 20% of all profits (if any).

Investors hope they've found alchemists—people who can turn dross into gold in any market. And, up to a point, they're right. Most hedge-fund managers have indeed found the secret path to riches...for themselves.

For the people providing the actual capital? Do the math. In a typical year, a hedge fund charging fees of 2% and 20% has to beat a balanced portfolio of stocks and bonds by about 50%, before fees, just to keep up.

Two years ago, Ilia Dichev at Emory University and Gwen Yu at Harvard University studied the performance of 11,000 hedge funds between 1980 and 2008. Their finding? Over that period, after you deducted all of Wall Street's fees, investors made just 6% a year on average.

A stock-market index fund over the same period: about 11%. No kidding. Even Aunt Sally earned 5.6% on Treasury bonds.

4. Anyone following Wall Street's advice

Did you buy Netflix stock six months ago? After all, among the analysts covering the stock, the number rating it a "buy" outnumbered those calling it a "sell" by 2 to 1.

Hard luck. Since then you've lost half your stake.

Coincidence? Maybe.

At the peak of the stock market in 2000, says Thomson Reuters, just 1% of Wall Street analysts' stock recommendations were to sell.

At the peak of the housing market, in 2005-2006, most Wall Street analysts were bullish of home-building stocks. The same was true of booming bank stocks in 2007 -- and not just those like Bank of America (down 85% since) and Citigroup (down 94%), but also Washington Mutual and Lehman Brothers (RIP).

In March 2000, when Cisco Systems traded at an absolutely ridiculous 120 times forecast earnings, more than 30 Wall Street analysts still rated it a "buy." Losses since then? About 75%. Before inflation.

5. Anyone investing in banks

You have to laugh when people slam "greedy" Bank of America. Have you seen the stock price lately? For stockholders, this is a nonprofit. The only ones making money are the management and staff.

It's the same at all the other banks. In the past five years, public filings show, the employees of Goldman Sachs have pocketed $80 billion in pay and benefits, including bonuses and other goodies. Over the same period, stockholders have lost $25 billion.

It's enough to make a capitalist throw rotten...endive and quail's eggs.

Maybe Wall Street is a socialist paradise. After all, where else does "labor" (if you can call it that) have a bigger whip hand over "capital"? As the old saying goes in lower Manhattan, you can search in vain for the customers' yachts.

[furie]

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[StanUpshaw]

http://i.imgur.com/r08m4.jpg

[Syd]

http://i.imgur.com/WuORe.gif

http://jdeanicite.typepad.com/files/plutonomy-1.pdf

[underdog]

I thought progressives were for the environment. I took a stroll down there yesterday and it looks like a 3rd world dump. The smell of human waste, urine, garbage everywhere it was sickening

I think its going to turn violent. While it wont be like Tinanmen sq. It could be a kent state like scenario

I never believed you on this, and then I went down there today, and I really don't believe you have ever been down there.

Why the need to lie? You haven't been down there. Admit it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I never believed you on this, and then I went down there today, and I really don't believe you have ever been down there.

Why the need to lie? You haven't been down there. Admit it.

I went down a couple of weeks ago. I saw the garbage and filth. Zucotti park looked like a landfill.

Where I live in CT is only about an hour train ride from NYC and another 15 min or so downtown so dont accuse me of making up a story

I know what I saw. You just went down there today. Ive seen reports that the crowds are getting less and less. Plus they are cracking down on the littering etc.

[underdog]

I went down a couple of weeks ago. I saw the garbage and filth. Zucotti park looked like a landfill.

Where I live in CT is only about an hour train ride from NYC and another 15 min or so downtown so dont fucking accuse me of making up a story

I know what I saw. You just went down there today. Ive seen reports that the crowds are getting less and less. Plus they are cracking down on the littering etc.

It was fucking packed and relatively clean.

You never went down there. You're just repeating what you've heard on Fox News or Rush. Why would you make a nearly 3 hour round trip to see something you obviously don't agree with? Stop lying.

[underdog]

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[underdog]

If you had actually gone down there, you would have loved it. There were so many signs with shitty cliches on it. You would fit right in.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It was fucking packed and relatively clean.

You never went down there. You're just repeating what you've heard on Fox News or Rush. Why would you make a nearly 3 hour round trip to see something you obviously don't agree with? Stop lying.


Stamford CT isnt next to Boston its near the NY Border.


Fox News and Rush? Come on give it a rest already. Fucking bush league bumper sticker lines

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If you had actually gone down there, you would have loved it. There were so many signs with shitty cliches on it. You would fit right in.

Unlike many of them I know Obama took more money from the banks than anyone in the last 20 years

Barney Frank was whoring himself out to Wall St for campaign cash recently

[PapaBear]

I believe WF was there. What I don't believe is that he'd find it surprising to see messy conditions in a relatively unorganized, long lasting gathering of thousands of people. I'm sure there are good days and bad days there, when it comes to cleanliness.

[underdog]

I went down a couple of weeks ago. I saw the garbage and filth. Zucotti park looked like a landfill.

Where I live in CT is only about an hour train ride from NYC and another 15 min or so downtown so dont accuse me of making up a story

Why would you make a nearly 3 hour round trip to see something you obviously don't agree with? Stop lying.

Stamford CT isnt next to Boston its near the NY Border.

Hey, you fucking retard, one hour and 15 minutes one way is nearly three hours roundtrip.

Just admit you haven't been down there.

[underdog]

Unlike many of them I know Obama took more money from the banks than anyone in the last 20 years

Barney Frank was whoring himself out to Wall St for campaign cash recently

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!

[underdog]

I believe WF was there. What I don't believe is that he'd find it surprising to see messy conditions in a relatively unorganized, long lasting gathering of thousands of people. I'm sure there are good days and bad days there, when it comes to cleanliness.

He wasn't there.

I'd be willing to bet large sums of money that not only has he not been in NYC in the last 2 years, he also hasn't had a job.

[spoon]

I'm with Udog, I bet he never got even close. After talking about all the smells and specifics, it turned into it looked like a landfill. I'm sorry, I just don't see him making this trip for any reason at this point, unless there was a dunk tank with illegal immigrants in them. Yet I bet he throws like JustJon anyway.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Hey, you fucking retard, one hour and 15 minutes one way is nearly three hours roundtrip.

Just admit you haven't been down there.

Do you think I just went down there and came back home? I dont have to tell you my entire itinerary, In case you dont know theres a shit ton more to do in NYC than watch people carring signs.


Now youre just being a troll. Youre just throwing around accusations

[underdog]

It's this tiny little park. There are tents and stuff set up, but it's very well organized, you can walk through everything, and it doesn't smell or look any worse than any other part of the city.

The energy and sound coming from there is kind of awesome, though.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He wasn't there.

I'd be willing to bet large sums of money that not only has he not been in NYC in the last 2 years, he also hasn't had a job.

And you'll lose that bet


Youre sounding like a board character

[underdog]

Do you think I just went down there and came back home? I dont have to tell you my entire itinerary, In case you dont know theres a shit ton more to do in NYC than watch people carring signs.


Now youre just being a troll. Youre just throwing around accusations

What else did you do? I expect you to tell me your entire itinerary.

[underdog]

And you'll lose that bet


Youre sounding like a board character

I saw the Statue Of Liberty today and thought of you.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm with Udog, I bet he never got even close. After talking about all the smells and specifics, it turned into it looked like a landfill. I'm sorry, I just don't see him making this trip for any reason at this point, unless there was a dunk tank with illegal immigrants in them. Yet I bet he throws like JustJon anyway.

Youre making it sound like I traveled cross country. Where I live in CT is close to NYC.

[underdog]

Do you think I just went down there and came back home? I dont have to tell you my entire itinerary, In case you dont know theres a shit ton more to do in NYC than watch people carring signs.


Now youre just being a troll. Youre just throwing around accusations

Also, I'm not "throwing around accusations". I'm being pretty fucking specific. I don't think you went down to the Occupy Wallstreet people and I think spoon is a giant homosexual.

[underdog]

Youre making it sound like I traveled cross country. Where I live in CT is close to NYC.

If something uninteresting to me was going on in Midtown, I wouldn't make the trek. Why would you waste 3 hours going to Lower Manhattan?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If something uninteresting to me was going on in Midtown, I wouldn't make the trek. Why would you waste 3 hours going to Lower Manhattan?

Should I post en Espanol?

I went on a weekend. Its about an hour from stamford to GCT then another 15 min or so taking the 4/5. Express train takes 40 min


I already told you that OWS wasn't the only place I went to that day. OWS isnt interesting?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Also, I'm not "throwing around accusations". I'm being pretty fucking specific. I don't think you went down to the Occupy Wallstreet people and I think spoon is a giant homosexual.

All you fucking out of towners are the same, You shitdicks move to NYC and all of a sudden its like you lived there all your lives

[underdog]

Where else did you go?

[spoon]

Youre making it sound like I traveled cross country. Where I live in CT is close to NYC.

I live closer and it still takes a shit ton of time to get into the city and then to my destination when I head in. Sorry, for anyone in the area, especially outside the boros, much less in CT, it's not some simple trip where you could just "take a stroll down there". Even if you worked in mid-town it wouldn't be a "stroll" to just stop in.

It's fucking nyc, stop acting like you just popped in to take a peak. I have my doubts much of what you say isn't laden with hyperbole and half truths. If it fits your agenda, you run with it regardless of where it comes from.

[underdog]

All you fucking out of towners are the same, You shitdicks move to NYC and all of a sudden its like you lived there all your lives

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I live closer and it still takes a shit ton of time to get into the city and then to my destination when I head in. Sorry, for anyone in the area, especially outside the boros, much less in CT, it's not some simple trip where you could just "take a stroll down there". Even if you worked in mid-town it wouldn't be a "stroll" to just stop in.

It's fucking nyc, stop acting like you just popped in to take a peak. I have my doubts much of what you say isn't laden with hyperbole and half truths. If it fits your agenda, you run with it regardless of where it comes from.

I did other stuff that day besides going to witness OWS. I cant believe that people are accusing me of not going. That is really becoming bush league


This thread became a topic on the OWS protest to what 3 people accusing me of not going. Lock this thread up

[spoon]

All you fucking out of towners are the same, You shitdicks move to NYC and all of a sudden its like you lived there all your lives

I'm pretty sure he never tried to act like this in any way. In fact, he's pretty much acted completely the opposite.

And isn't most of those in the NYC area transplants at one point or another? Let's stop acting like bc you live in some yuppie suburb YOU know shit about NYC. To be honest, Udog has probably spent more time in the city than you have your entire life just this past year. Especially Christopher Street, why do you think he's so infatuated with homosexuals?

[underdog]

Also, I'm not "throwing around accusations". I'm being pretty fucking specific. I don't think you went down to the Occupy Wallstreet people and I think spoon is a giant homosexual.

All you fucking out of towners are the same, You shitdicks move to NYC and all of a sudden its like you lived there all your lives

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!

Seriously, this is even fucking retarded for you.

I had never been to Lower Manhattan before today. I know nothing about NYC. All I know is you're a lying, unemployable, Bridgeport resident.

[underdog]

I did other stuff that day besides going to witness OWS. I cant believe that people are accusing me of not going. That is really becoming bush league

You've never been. It's not an accusation. It's the truth.

Let's stop acting like bc you live in some yuppie suburb YOU know shit about NYC.

He probably lives in some sort of public housing in Bridgeport. He just says Stamford to make it seem slightly better.

To be honest, Udog has probably spent more time in the city than you have your entire life just this past year. Especially Christopher Street, why do you think he's so infatuated with homosexuals?

:lol::lol::lol:

[spoon]

I did other stuff that day besides going to witness OWS. I cant believe that people are accusing me of not going. That is really becoming bush league

It's not. If anything your claim is suspicious to people who HAVE actually been there bc your description is completely off and curiously close to those of the sources Udog referenced. Even if you actually DID go down to the OWS as you call it, you surely stretched the truth at best, lied at worst in your description.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!

Maybe I'm reading into this too much but your comments think that Im some shitkicker who never visited the City


Since youre interested in my life I grew up in Westchester which is suburban NYC. When I lived there it was a 20 min drive to midtown with no traffic

[underdog]

Maybe I'm reading into this too much but your comments think that Im some shitkicker who never visited the City


Since youre interested in my life I grew up in Westchester which is suburban NYC. When I lived there it was a 20 min drive to midtown with no traffic

I just know you didn't go to OWS. That's all.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Seriously, this is even fucking retarded for you.

I had never been to Lower Manhattan before today. I know nothing about NYC. All I know is you're a lying, unemployable, Bridgeport resident.

And youre a fag looking for someone to blow in Chelsea for drugs

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I just know you didn't go to OWS. That's all.

You dont know much then.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It's not. If anything your claim is suspicious to people who HAVE actually been there bc your description is completely off and curiously close to those of the sources Udog referenced. Even if you actually DID go down to the OWS as you call it, you surely stretched the truth at best, lied at worst in your description.

You sound like a waterhead. Udog went down there today. What I witnessed was squalor. Go blow him already and get it over with

[spoon]

Maybe I'm reading into this too much but your comments think that Im some shitkicker who never visited the City


Since youre interested in my life I grew up in Westchester which is suburban NYC. When I lived there it was a 20 min drive to midtown with no traffic

Which means it was NEVER a 20 minute drive to midtown.

Also, Westchester to Stamford/Greenwhich, CT huh. It's no wonder you have no understanding for middle class workers and their lives, much less immigrants legal or not.

[StanUpshaw]

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That was fast