2012 POTUS and Congress General election off-season thread

[brettmojo]

I just don't understand why people are so ethically bankrupt that they will withhold information that has value to the public until close to the election.

It's for sweeps.

[Dude!]

epo-like wisconsin thugs
at it again:

http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/Son-of-State-Senator-Neal-Kedzie-Attacked-175307881.html

[Melk]

epo-like wisconsin thugs
at it again:

http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/Son-of-State-Senator-Neal-Kedzie-Attacked-175307881.html
1: Who steals political signs?

2: Who cares if his signs are stolen?

[Snoogans]

they both seem early on like they are tryin to be more calm and not look so angry

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I dont think it will be like last week. I see more civility

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I thought this was foreign policy. Its turned into domestic policy again

[Dude!]

I thought this was foreign policy. Its turned into domestic policy again

'cause that's where
the votes are

[NickyL0885]

Obama sunk Mitt's battleship

[Melk]

Mitt Romney has eyes like Ogre from Revenge of the Nerds.

[epo]

This debate is an absolute rout.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Has anyone heard of the Trans Pacific Partnership? I know this won't be brought up. I didnt get a chance to hear the entire segment a couple weeks back on the Mike Feder show on Sirius Left. From what I heard It soundls like NAFTA on roids

[Snoogans]

ok so everyone. Honestly. Who do you think just did better?

[NickyL0885]

Obama won cleanly. Romney played it too safe. Romney backed off stuff he said not long ago. Bad move on his part.

[Melk]

ok so everyone. Honestly. Who do you think just did better?
Obama, but barely. I really want these debates to be for the discussion of not the same stuff every election cycle.

I don't think this debate will affect polling at all.

I was surveyed by Gallop the other day I told them I was unemployed, voting for Romney, a recreational drug user, and the most important issue facing the US is I don't have a Super Wal-mart near my home.

Gallop polls are super accurate

[Kevin]

Obama, but barely. I really want these debates to be for the discussion of not the same stuff every election cycle.

I don't think this debate will affect polling at all.

I was surveyed by Gallop the other day I told them I was unemployed, voting for Romney, a recreational drug user, and the most important issue facing the US is I don't have a Super Wal-mart near my home.

Gallop polls are super accurate

Barley?

You must think that The Giants are barley beating the Cards tonight.

[Melk]

I prefer STL for the hops not the barley

[Dude!]

you poor kids just don't get it

Romney didn't do hard battle
but that was for a reason:
his mission for these last 2 weeks
is to court women. What appeals
to women in foreign affairs?
Softness.
And Romney out-softed Obama.

Obama won on debate points,
no doubt about it...
but he was dramatically out-foxed

[Melk]

Barley?

You must think that The Giants are barley beating the Cards tonight.
I watch these debates and think, ”Would those childish undecided voters respond to this one way or another?” I think they won't

[Melk]

I got an early voting form with a deadline two days prior to my receiving it.

Seriously, what the hell?

[Kevin]

you poor kids just don't get it

Romney didn't do hard battle
but that was for a reason:
his mission for these last 2 weeks
is to court women. What appeals
to women in foreign affairs?
Softness.
And Romney out-softed Obama.

Obama won on debate points,
no doubt about it...
but he was dramatically out-foxed

You should really work for Fox news.

I don't think they could have come up with anything better than you just did.

In fact, i think you should email that to Fox, You might get your on show....

[Dude!]

You should really work for Fox news.

I don't think they could have come up with anything better than you just did.

In fact, i think you should email that to Fox, You might get your on show....

dude, it ain't brain surgery
all real men were watching
sports tonight

this drama was for the gals
and Romney spoke to them

brilliant, i say

[epo]

dude, it ain't brain surgery
all real men were watching
sports tonight

this drama was for the gals
and Romney spoke to them

brilliant, i say

According to the CNN undecided voters, Romney absolutely did awful with men and even worse with women.

[Snoogans]

According to the CNN undecided voters, Romney absolutely did awful with men and even worse with women.

where do i find these CNN polls. I went to the site and didnt see them anywhere

[epo]

where do i find these CNN polls. I went to the site and didnt see them anywhere

If you watched CNN coverage of the debate, they always do metered responses by undecideds/gender. During the debate it was striking.

[Snoogans]

i dont put on CNN usually. I have it now and im flippin to fox news to see what they are sayin too

[epo]

PPP polling in swing states has Obama winning 57-38 with women.

Dude is wrong again.

[Kevin]

you poor kids just don't get it

Romney didn't do hard battle
but that was for a reason:
his mission for these last 2 weeks
is to court women. What appeals
to women in foreign affairs?
Softness.
And Romney out-softed Obama.

Obama won on debate points,
no doubt about it...
but he was dramatically out-foxed

So he won on softness on agreeing with Obama?

Wouldn't that make Obama soft, and likable to those women?

You are painting women as these mindless drones...

The 50s want your views on women back..

They saw Romney completely flip flop on everything.

Including ONCE ON THE SAME POINT ON CHINA!

[pennington]

Obama supporters will think Obama won and Romney supporters will think Romney won. That's not what these debates are for; they are for undecided voters, particularly in swing states like Florida, Virginia etc.

I read a week or so ago (I can't find it) something to the effect that a large portion of undecided voters don't make up their mind until they are actually in the voting booth. That's scary no matter who you're supporting.

[Dude!]

PPP polling in swing states has Obama winning 57-38 with women.

Dude is wrong again.

my predictions have been
almost 100% right

i actually gave you the election
percentages weeks ago...
Romney will win comfortably

and will almost break-even with women

and Scott Walker will still be Governor

[WRESTLINGFAN]

According to CNN


CNN Post-Debate Poll: Who did debate make you more likely to vote for? Obama 24%, Romney 25%, Neither 50%. #CNNDebate " - @CNNPolitics

[spoon]

had a lecture late tonight and only caught the very end on the radio driving home

yet with the china question Mitt did in fact talk in circles

[Dude!]

According to CNN


CNN Post-Debate Poll: Who did debate make you more likely to vote for? Obama 24%, Romney 25%, Neither 50%. #CNNDebate " - @CNNPolitics

thank you...
i knew epo was
making things up again

[A.J.]

You are painting women as these mindless drones...

They are "undecided" after all. Picture a bunch of Danas voting......

[WRESTLINGFAN]

As a former Marine. I'll give Obama a pass on what he said about Bayonets. The Military still issues them.

[hanso]

Watched the debate in HD on the big bird channel

[Jujubees2]

As a former Marine. I'll give Obama a pass on what he said about Bayonets. The Military still issues them.

Why? When was the last time a Marine needed to use a bayonet?

[angrymissy]

you poor kids just don't get it

Romney didn't do hard battle
but that was for a reason:
his mission for these last 2 weeks
is to court women. What appeals
to women in foreign affairs?
Softness.
And Romney out-softed Obama.

Obama won on debate points,
no doubt about it...
but he was dramatically out-foxed

This is 2012, not 1952.

[angrymissy]

As a former Marine. I'll give Obama a pass on what he said about Bayonets. The Military still issues them.
.
"But I think Gov. Romney maybe hasn't spent enough time looking at how our military works," said Obama. "You mention the Navy, and how we have fewer ships than 1916. We also have fewer horses and bayonets, because the nature of our military has changed. We have aircraft carriers; we have ships that go underwater; nuclear submarines."

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Last nights winner...

AIPAC

[epo]

Why? When was the last time a Marine needed to use a bayonet?

They ceased bayonet training in 2010.

[A.J.]

Last nights winner...

AIPAC

I'm surprised Romney didn't wear a yarmulke to last night's debate,

[Dude!]

I'm surprised Romney didn't wear a yarmulke to last night's debate,

i'm surprised obama
didn't break out a cannister
of Zyklon B

[KnoxHarrington]

They ceased bayonet training in 2010.


But without bayonets how will we resist the might of the Austro-Hungarian Empire?

(By the way, I love how the "Independent" is tryting to defend his boy Romney from what will probably go down as one of the great debate zingers, up there with "You're no Jack Kennedy.")

[A.J.]

There may no longer be bayonets, but knives are cool.

http://www.blade-empire.com/Master_Cutlery/Rambo_2-with_knife.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Speaking of weapons and the mllitary. I'm glad the president briefly explained to millions of people watching what a submarine and Aircraft carrier was

[angrymissy]

Speaking of weapons and the mllitary. I'm glad the president briefly explained to millions of people watching what a submarine and Aircraft carrier was

He was explaining it to Romney like he was a 5 year old. Which was necessary, considering Romney's plan is basically big army make things go boom

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He was explaining it to Romney like he was a 5 year old. Which was necessary, considering Romney's plan is basically big army make things go boom



Just like Obamas plan.

Obama is a warmonger too


Big army boom like in Afghanistan. That's worked well under his watch

[A.J.]

He'll make up for it in Iran.

[hanso]

He was explaining it to Romney like he was a 5 year old. Which was necessary, considering Romney's plan is basically big army make things go boom

He wants to double the budget

Just like Obamas plan.

Obama is a warmonger too


Big army boom like in Afghanistan. That's worked well under his watch

See above.

[angrymissy]

Just like Obamas plan.

Obama is a warmonger too


Big army boom like in Afghanistan. That's worked well under his watch

Yes, because Obama started the war in Afghanistan.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yes, because Obama started the war in Afghanistan.



And he continued it

[Dude!]

This is 2012, not 1952.

that does not change the
essential nature of women

you can dress them up
in business suits but that
does not make them
man-level executives

you can dress them up in uniforms
but they can't do real soldier duty

60 years does not change
thousands of years of evolution

[hanso]

But without bayonets how will we resist the might of the Austro-Hungarian Empire?

(By the way, I love how the "Independent" is tryting to defend his boy Romney from what will probably go down as one of the great debate zingers, up there with "You're no Jack Kennedy.")

Same with the the Benghazi attack (security) yet is for cutting or doing away with Gov. - Ryan voted for the cuts their.

[hanso]

And he continued it

He did what the military experts advised unlike the last businessman.

[angrymissy]

that does not change the
essential nature of women

you can dress them up
in business suits but that
does not make them
man-level executives

you can dress them up in uniforms
but they can't do real soldier duty

60 years does not change
thousands of years of evolution

Yeah, ok. Sure.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He did what the military experts advised unlike the last businessman.


Stellar results !!!

I guess the smartest president ever still didn't get the message that a large land force fighting a guerrilla war is not optimal

[angrymissy]

And he continued it

And?

If he pulled all troops immediately, you'd be blaming him for the collapse of Afghanistan.

He pulled out of Iraq, and I hope we're out of Afghanistan soon. Afghanistan was the only war that actually made sense to me anyway.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

And?

If he pulled all troops immediately, you'd be blaming him for the collapse of Afghanistan.

He pulled out of Iraq, and I hope we're out of Afghanistan soon. Afghanistan was the only war that actually made sense to me anyway.

Look at the results. More money spent and more American deaths.


He didn't pull out of Iraq. We were evicted under a deal reached in 2007

Besides there are still large amounts of contractors there. Look what hope got you in 2008


Watch the 3rd party debates tonight. I will. It will be a breather from the coke vs Pepsi candidates

[angrymissy]

Look at the results. More money spent and more American deaths.

He didn't pull out of Iraq. We were evicted under a deal reached in 2007

Besides there are still large amounts of contractors there. Look what hope got you in 2008

Watch the 3rd party debates tonight. I will. It will be a breather from the coke vs Pepsi candidates

I've researched them and Obama is still my choice.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I've researched them and Obama is still my choice.



More wars and occupation and a stagnant economy. To each their own

[angrymissy]

More wars and occupation and a stagnant economy. To each their own

I disagree.

No one is going to wave a magic wand and fix the economy in 4 years. Not Obama, not Romney, and not Johnson

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I disagree.

No one is going to wave a magic wand and fix the economy in 4 years. Not Obama, not Romney, and not Johnson



I'm paraphrasing Obama on his words that if he didn't get the economy turned around he would be a 1 termer

GDP growth less than last year and less than 2010 doesn't cut it


If you own supermarkets taking food stamps. Then it's been great

[spoon]

that does not change the
essential nature of women

you can dress them up
in business suits but that
does not make them
man-level executives

you can dress them up in uniforms
but they can't do real soldier duty

60 years does not change
thousands of years of evolution

Ok, THAT'S hilarious! You truly can't make up the shit this guy says. Wow.

[spoon]

Look at the results. More money spent and more American deaths.


He didn't pull out of Iraq. We were evicted under a deal reached in 2007

Besides there are still large amounts of contractors there. Look what hope got you in 2008


Watch the 3rd party debates tonight. I will. It will be a breather from the coke vs Pepsi candidates

tag line again in bold

and contractors there are tied to the administration how? I know quite a few over there myself, and it's all about money and business setting up the area, not our troops.

as for the deal reached, McCain would have just nixed it as he stated and Obama or anyone could have done the same thing. Obama was in charge, we got out. It's that simple and he has pretty much gone by his military advisors on most of his choices, barring perhaps going in to get Bin Laden which ended up working.

[spoon]

I'm paraphrasing Obama on his words that if he didn't get the economy turned around he would be a 1 termer

GDP growth less than last year and less than 2010 doesn't cut it


If you own supermarkets taking food stamps. Then it's been great

missy gives you a rational thought and as per your norm you spout off talking points

you literally say everything Mitt uses and the gop as your own versus actual policy and ways to fix things in 4 short years

sure the next four years have a much better starting point compared to taking over in 2008, yet it will still take a whole lot of policy fixes, tax modifications and overall protection of the middle class to get this country truly back on its feet. You don't do it with extending the Bush tax cuts again, increasing military spending, creating more wars...including trade wars, increasing taxes on the middle class (not just federal, but by nixing vital credits) and so much more. To each their own you say, that's the first thing you said that made sense to anyone in a political thread in years. You side with a party and people that have nothing to do with you and most of the country, outside of the less government thing, what do they offer you?

[hanso]

I'm paraphrasing Obama on his words that if he didn't get the economy turned around he would be a 1 termer

GDP growth less than last year and less than 2010 doesn't cut it


If you own supermarkets taking food stamps. Then it's been great

http://i.imgur.com/iJiYu.png

12 is looking better or at least a match of 11..bottom line is... it is growth.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

tag line again in bold

and contractors there are tied to the administration how? I know quite a few over there myself, and it's all about money and business setting up the area, not our troops.

as for the deal reached, McCain would have just nixed it as he stated and Obama or anyone could have done the same thing. Obama was in charge, we got out. It's that simple and he has pretty much gone by his military advisors on most of his choices, barring perhaps going in to get Bin Laden which ended up working.

Ive already noted many times that McCain wouldnt have been better. Why is he being mentioned in the 1st place? He lost in 2008



Arent the bigger ones like XE (Formerly Blackwater) getting contracts with the DoD?

The US doesnt have a huge presence in Iraq however there are still about 8-10k troops there.

Ive also stated that the Bin Laden killing was a huge accomplishment for the administration, However Al Qaeda is not decimated. They have set up shop in Sub Saharan Africa, Yemen is a new breeding ground and they have networks from the mid east to East Asia specifically the Philippines


There are also offshoot groups of AQ. Its become a franchise with many subsidiaries.

Also I'll note again. Every time an airport gets sealed off for hours because someone might have forgot their suitcase and before you board a plane and there are Nat'l Guard troops in Grand Central and a continued presence in the Muslim world Bin Laden really has not lost.

[Furtherman]

Ok, THAT'S hilarious! You truly can't make up the shit this guy says. Wow.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/attachments/work-employment/42943d1244227297-can-you-believe-i-got-fired-do_not_feed_trolls.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://i.imgur.com/iJiYu.png

12 is looking better or at least a match of 11..bottom line... is it is growth.

What has been done when the GDP reports get reported. There have been many revisions down.


Those results with a combination of him being a Keynesian doesn't warrant him a 2nd term.

[spoon]

Ive already noted many times that McCain wouldnt have been better. Why is he being mentioned in the 1st place? He lost in 2008



Arent the bigger ones like XE (Formerly Blackwater) getting contracts with the DoD?

The US doesnt have a huge presence in Iraq however there are still about 8-10k troops there.



WF, you mentioned the US would have pulled out for sure and it's simply not the case. I bring up McCain bc it ties in completely and is pertinent. How can you miss this? He had stated he would stay in Iraq longer, as did many others back before 2008 was locked in. So when you try to distance Obama from actually pulling this through and holding to pulling out is just off. Do you get the point now and how McCain being injected on this topic makes sense?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

WF, you mentioned the US would have pulled out for sure and it's simply not the case. I bring up McCain bc it ties in completely and is pertinent. How can you miss this? He had stated he would stay in Iraq longer, as did many others back before 2008 was locked in. So when you try to distance Obama from actually pulling this through and holding to pulling out is just off. Do you get the point now and how McCain being injected on this topic makes sense?

I was not for McCain. I remember him saying during the campaign that he wanted to stay there for 100 years.

Al I am saying is that the SOFA deal was completed in 2007. Obama didnt end the war. The majority of our forces were going to leave. Even if McCain was president, I wouldnt forsee him breaking a SOFA

[spoon]

Ive also stated that the Bin Laden killing was a huge accomplishment for the administration, However Al Qaeda is not decimated. They have set up shop in Sub Saharan Africa, Yemen is a new breeding ground and they have networks from the mid east to East Asia specifically the Philippines


There are also offshoot groups of AQ. Its become a franchise with many subsidiaries.

Also I'll note again. Every time an airport gets sealed off for hours because someone might have forgot their suitcase and before you board a plane and there are Nat'l Guard troops in Grand Central and a continued presence in the Muslim world Bin Laden really has not lost.

There will always be disenfranchised people in this world and some unfortunately turn to terrible means in their situations. It's not through constant force will we change this dynamic, we only entrench them more when done without reason. Through education, advancement and diplomacy can one work with the countries in question and help deplete their resources and the reasons why they even have a following. Many of the countries with "subsidiaries" of AQ as you state are focused on control of the countries they are in and aren't centric on our demise. They are still threats, and in cases of our close allies like the Philippines it makes complete sense to get involved in some way, mostly guidance and more if asked. In the others, not our fight.

As for the airport point, what do you suggest? It happened and security at this point and time in the US it is warranted. Only time, education and acceptance of each other will things change, but until then we need to protect our hubs and the people in them and traveling.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

There will always be disenfranchised people in this world and some unfortunately turn to terrible means in their situations. It's not through constant force will we change this dynamic, we only entrench them more when done without reason. Through education, advancement and diplomacy can one work with the countries in question and help deplete their resources and the reasons why they even have a following. Many of the countries with "subsidiaries" of AQ as you state are focused on control of the countries they are in and aren't centric on our demise. They are still threats, and in cases of our close allies like the Philippines it makes complete sense to get involved in some way, mostly guidance and more if asked. In the others, not our fight.

As for the airport point, what do you suggest? It happened and security at this point and time in the US it is warranted. Only time, education and acceptance of each other will things change, but until then we need to protect our hubs and the people in them and traveling.

Having a significant force in Muslim lands is one of the main reasons why Islamic terrorism wont be wiped out completely anytime soon. Im not defending what OBL did but one of the reasons why he financed and inspired Jihad is to having 500,000 men in the cradle of Islam in 1990-1991

I suggest not having a bloated bureaucracy with thousands of agents violating civil liberties and having multibillion dollar budgets. I dont feel safer flying with all that over the top security.


It doesnt end at the airports. We have the patriot act, the NDAA, security cameras everywhere. We are slowly morphing into a giant police state.

Telling someone they cant carry toothpaste on a plane isnt making anyone safe.

[spoon]

I was not for McCain. I remember him saying during the campaign that he wanted to stay there for 100 years.

Al I am saying is that the SOFA deal was completed in 2007. Obama didnt end the war. The majority of our forces were going to leave. Even if McCain was president, I wouldnt forsee him breaking a SOFA

I never said you were for McCain, I truly don't remember and I'll take your word on it. However, I highly doubt you were for Obama, so saying third party is another cop out bc you know damn well it would have been McCain before Obama if given the choice without the easy tap out third party.

My point is valid WF, Obama DID in fact end a war years after a deal was set up that easily could have been adjusted or abolished altogether. The mere fact that the contractors are still there milking the country dry (US and Iraq), shows that there was surely pressure to keep the war going. As they say in that industry, it's good for business.

I completely WOULD envision the GOP candidate continuing the war in Iraq, at least in some form/fashion larger than what we see today. On top of this, I'm sure we'd be much more involved in Iran and in some ways with Syria, Lybia and elsewhere as well. And not in the way we actually were involved in Lybia, but with ground troops and perhaps in and around Iran/Syria too. I'm sure we would have found WMD evidence once more. Oh wait, they have been playing that card constantly already.

[spoon]

Having a significant force in Muslim lands is one of the main reasons why Islamic terrorism wont be wiped out completely anytime soon. Im not defending what OBL did but one of the reasons why he financed and inspired Jihad is to having 500,000 men in the cradle of Islam in 1990-1991

I suggest not having a bloated bureaucracy with thousands of agents violating civil liberties and having multibillion dollar budgets. I dont feel safer flying with all that over the top security.


It doesnt end at the airports. We have the patriot act, the NDAA, security cameras everywhere. We are slowly morphing into a giant police state.

Telling someone they cant carry toothpaste on a plane isnt making anyone safe.

The bolded part I completely agree with, but toothpaste on a flight is not a big fucking deal. Obviously there's a reason NOT to allow it, so be it. Until they eliminate the potential threat means, no tpaste. The P act and NDAA are completely hysteria driven, and power grabs that kill our rights and privacy. I couldn't get rid of both faster if allowed, and hope the push gets bigger to do so.

As for the forces in the region, it's due to the civil unrest and atrocities consistently done to their own people and attacks on our allies like Israel. We'll always have some presence there, and honestly need to. It just needs to be more restrained and protection based, not offensive unless it's warranted.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I never said you were for McCain, I truly don't remember and I'll take your word on it. However, I highly doubt you were for Obama, so saying third party is another cop out bc you know damn well it would have been McCain before Obama if given the choice without the easy tap out third party.

My point is valid WF, Obama DID in fact end a war years after a deal was set up that easily could have been adjusted or abolished altogether. The mere fact that the contractors are still there milking the country dry (US and Iraq), shows that there was surely pressure to keep the war going. As they say in that industry, it's good for business.

I completely WOULD envision the GOP candidate continuing the war in Iraq, at least in some form/fashion larger than what we see today. On top of this, I'm sure we'd be much more involved in Iran and in some ways with Syria, Lybia and elsewhere as well. And not in the way we actually were involved in Lybia, but with ground troops and perhaps in and around Iran/Syria too. I'm sure we would have found WMD evidence once more. Oh wait, they have been playing that card constantly already.

McCain would have to break the SOFA. The Iraqis wanted us out. Im not sure what would happen if the SOFA was broken. Maybe Iraq could have gone to the UN

Most of the surge operations and combat were winding down already. Sure there were some cases of attacks but not large scale ones that I recall like from 2003-07.

After Bush left office there werent the daily IED attacks like during the height of the insurgency, rather there were smaller less chronic attacks.


Obama basically carried out withdrawl of the troops which was a good process to his credit. I didnt see him end the war.

I believe some of them probably ended up going to Afghanistan at some point

[hanso]

What has been done when the GDP reports get reported. There have been many revisions down.


Those results with a combination of him being a Keynesian doesn't warrant him a 2nd term.

This was revised the 1.3 on right is the latest version. But Keynesian over military is OK? Obama would have it bump up a lil not cut as the right would make it out. It would be more than the compromised version coming up.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The bolded part I completely agree with, but toothpaste on a flight is not a big fucking deal. Obviously there's a reason NOT to allow it, so be it. Until they eliminate the potential threat means, no tpaste. The P act and NDAA are completely hysteria driven, and power grabs that kill our rights and privacy. I couldn't get rid of both faster if allowed, and hope the push gets bigger to do so.

As for the forces in the region, it's due to the civil unrest and atrocities consistently done to their own people and attacks on our allies like Israel. We'll always have some presence there, and honestly need to. It just needs to be more restrained and protection based, not offensive unless it's warranted.

I could say in regards to civil liberties that toothpaste on a carry on item isnt a big deal. The reason is as you stated accurately for the NDAA and PA. Its hysteria driven.

Our footprint in the MidEast and AF/Pak shouldnt involve a huge land army with over 100k men. With the way warfare has changed especially against Terrorism the best way is with a smaller and more mobile force combined with better intel. Case point, the Bin Laden killing.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This was revised the 1.3 on right is the latest version. But Keynesian over military is OK? Obama would have it bump up a lil not cut as the right would make it out. It would be more than the compromised version coming up.

In regards to scaling back military spending, youre preaching to the choir.

We do not need a budget of almost 3/4 of a trillion.

[ozzie]

I've researched them and Obama is still my choice.

I cheated and took the stupid online quiz

http://www.isidewith.com/

According to them, I side with:

92% - Obama
89% - Jill Stein
72% - Rocky Anderson
55% - Gary Johnson
44% - Romney
21% - Virgil Goode
54% - Alabama Voters
60% - American Voters

I'm going to try to watch the third party folks go at it tonight, but since Johnson is the only one on the ballot here, he'll probably get my vote by default no matter what he says.

Either way, Romney will take this state by a huge margin.

[hanso]

In regards to scaling back military spending, youre preaching to the choir.

We do not need a budget of almost 3/4 of a trillion.

Close to a trillion from chart I saw around double of what the compromised version coming out will be.

[Snoogans]

I cheated and took the stupid online quiz

http://www.isidewith.com/

According to them, I side with:

92% - Obama
89% - Jill Stein
72% - Rocky Anderson
55% - Gary Johnson
44% - Romney
21% - Virgil Goode
54% - Alabama Voters
60% - American Voters

I'm going to try to watch the third party folks go at it tonight, but since Johnson is the only one on the ballot here, he'll probably get my vote by default no matter what he says.

Either way, Romney will take this state by a huge margin.

i took this yesterday as a good to see what happened. I ended up with 89% jill stein, 79% GJ and Obama, 37% romney, 62% for state and 64% for US

[A.J.]

I cheated and took the stupid online quiz

http://www.isidewith.com/

According to them, I side with:

92% - Obama
89% - Jill Stein
72% - Rocky Anderson
55% - Gary Johnson
44% - Romney
21% - Virgil Goode
54% - Alabama Voters
60% - American Voters

I'm going to try to watch the third party folks go at it tonight, but since Johnson is the only one on the ballot here, he'll probably get my vote by default no matter what he says.

Either way, Romney will take this state by a huge margin.


I side with Gary Johnson on most issues in the 2012 Presidential Election.
Candidates you side with...

86%
Gary Johnson
Gary Johnson Libertarian

on economic, foreign policy, domestic policy, and healthcare issues

77%
Mitt Romney
Mitt Romney Republican

on economic, domestic policy, and immigration issues

68%
Barack Obama
Barack Obama Democrat

on foreign policy, environmental, and science issues

59%
Virginia Voters

on foreign policy, economic, domestic policy, environmental, social, science, and healthcare issues.

60%
American Voters

on foreign policy, economic, domestic policy, environmental, social, science, and healthcare issues.

Parties you side with...

79% Republican

74% Libertarian

66% Democrat

58% Green

[epo]

Trump claimed he sent a private investagator to Hawaii to prove the President was born in Kenya.

Whatever Trump claims he has, it will be like all the previous ones: shit.

I just read the online leak from Trump. I must say that Trump is a pathetic piece of shit.

[Furtherman]

I just read the online leak from Trump. I must say that Trump is a pathetic piece of shit.

So, what's this amazing piece of news that will change the election?

[Snoogans]

So, what's this amazing piece of news that will change the election?

knowing trump its probably some bull shit like "We are gonna have an anti obama night at the trump palace. Anyone who gambles more than 500 dollars will get a copy of Barack Obamas Kenyan Birth Certificate

[spoon]

I cheated and took the stupid online quiz

http://www.isidewith.com/

According to them, I side with:

92% - Obama
89% - Jill Stein
72% - Rocky Anderson
55% - Gary Johnson
44% - Romney
21% - Virgil Goode
54% - Alabama Voters
60% - American Voters

I'm going to try to watch the third party folks go at it tonight, but since Johnson is the only one on the ballot here, he'll probably get my vote by default no matter what he says.

Either way, Romney will take this state by a huge margin.

Interesting, I line up less than Ozzie with Obama

http://imgs.isidewith.com/results-image/174979000.jpg

[angrymissy]

I believe the Trump thing is supposed to be he says a classmate is saying Obama dealt coke in college.

[ozzie]

Interesting, I line up less than Ozzie with Obama


I was kinda surprised myself.

I thought I was more Libertarian than what the results showed.

[epo]

I believe the Trump thing is supposed to be he says a classmate is saying Obama dealt coke in college.

Bingo. Which of course is done without evidence.

What a fucking waste of our collective time.

[spoon]

I believe the Trump thing is supposed to be he says a classmate is saying Obama dealt coke in college.

see, he was a successful business man too!

[A.J.]

I believe the Trump thing is supposed to be he says a classmate is saying Obama dealt coke in college.

Didn't they say the same thing about Dubya?

What do you know: Obama, Ron and Flathead have something in common.

[Dude!]

Bingo. Which of course is done without evidence.

What a fucking waste of our collective time.

Trump said that was NOT
his surprise

i still think it's
the gay bath house pics

[spoon]

you have to think the south park guys are changing up their show for this wednesday as we speak

[newport king]

80% Romney, 78% Johnson

[Melk]

90% Obama
12% Romney

I didn't realize agree so little with Romney

[epo]

Trump said that was NOT
his surprise

i still think it's
the gay bath house pics

He's dragging out the divorce claim again?

What an utter pile of shit Trump is.

[Dude!]

He's dragging out the divorce claim again?

What an utter pile of shit Trump is.

i don't know what The Donald
has up his sleeve

here is what i am hoping it is:

someone releases a video
of Obama in a gay bath house
in Chicago

Reverend Wright will be fucking him
hard in the ass, while obama screams:
"Allah Akbar"

i doubt that any such video exists
but if it did,
it would be unprecedented
for a presidential election

[deliciousV]

i don't know what The Donald
has up his sleeve

here is what i am hoping it is:

someone releases a video
of Obama in a gay bath house
in Chicago

Reverend Wright will be fucking him
hard in the ass, while obama screams:
"Allah Akbar"

i doubt that any such video exists
but if it did,
it would be unprecedented
for a presidential election

if it does, Trump will be dead before sun up

[keithy_19]

http://imgs.isidewith.com/results-image/175812574.jpg

[spoon]

Another fine look into the mind of Dude!

[keithy_19]

i don't know what The Donald
has up his sleeve

here is what i am hoping it is:

someone releases a video
of Obama in a gay bath house
in Chicago

Reverend Wright will be fucking him
hard in the ass, while obama screams:
"Allah Akbar"

i doubt that any such video exists
but if it did,
it would be unprecedented
for a presidential election

I laughed.

[brettmojo]

Another fine look into the mind of Dude!

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee103/brettmojo/farnsworth-3_zps36ab6890.gif

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Sided with GJ 96%

[brettmojo]

http://imageshack.us/a/img840/2809/175652191.jpg

After reading... Let's elect her. Her Green New Deal plan sounds awesome.

[Snoogans]

I just had my girlfriend take the test and this is how she ended up:

Candidates you side with...

87%
Gary Johnson
Gary Johnson Libertarian

on domestic policy, economic, healthcare, science, and immigration issues

76%
Jill Stein
Jill Stein Green

on domestic policy, healthcare, social, environmental, science, and immigration issues

71%
Barack Obama
Barack Obama Democrat

on science, social, immigration, and environmental issues

61%
Mitt Romney
Mitt Romney Republican

on economic issues

58%
New Jersey Voters

on domestic policy, foreign policy, science, healthcare, social, immigration, and environmental issues.

60%
American Voters

on domestic policy, foreign policy, healthcare, science, social, immigration, and environmental issues.


She actually lives in NY but it was using my computers address.

[angrymissy]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2222070/Donald-Trump-reveal-divorce-papers-Michelle-Barack-Obama--claims-respected-financial-pundit.html

12 year old divorce papers? If so, that's pretty damned low

[Furtherman]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2222070/Donald-Trump-reveal-divorce-papers-Michelle-Barack-Obama--claims-respected-financial-pundit.html

12 year old divorce papers? If so, that's pretty damned low

I hope it is. Since 50% of marriages end in divorce, and considering where it came from, this will help strengthen their view as a family. They've admitted rough patches in the past, and here they came through it stronger than ever. That's a winning story.

And Trump - married how many times? - is going to exploit that? It will blow up in his face.

[Snoogans]

awesome. i knew trump had something coming but who know it was so big that it would make obama look like a....HUMAN BEING. Honestly, i would think alot of people in the country would relate to him.

And actually, it makes him look a bit like him and his wife were able to work through some tough times, which is what presidents do.

[spoon]

Plus it's personal, not public so why does it matter?
He should just shut the fuck up, especially on marriage.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Link for anyone who wants to see 3rd party debate tonight


http://ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3022261#post3022261

[spoon]

I just had my girlfriend take the test and this is how she ended up:

Candidates you side with...

87%
Gary Johnson
Gary Johnson Libertarian

on domestic policy, economic, healthcare, science, and immigration issues

76%
Jill Stein
Jill Stein Green

on domestic policy, healthcare, social, environmental, science, and immigration issues

71%
Barack Obama
Barack Obama Democrat

on science, social, immigration, and environmental issues

61%
Mitt Romney
Mitt Romney Republican

on economic issues

58%
New Jersey Voters

on domestic policy, foreign policy, science, healthcare, social, immigration, and environmental issues.

60%
American Voters

on domestic policy, foreign policy, healthcare, science, social, immigration, and environmental issues.


She actually lives in NY but it was using my computers address.


And here I thought hippo's brother was a dem!

[spoon]

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee103/brettmojo/farnsworth-3_zps36ab6890.gif

Ha!

Too bad the prof is actually lovable.

[Snoogans]

Link for anyone who wants to see 3rd party debate tonight


http://ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3022261#post3022261

thats a link to this thread


go here for the link (http://www.c-span.org/Campaign2012/Events/C-SPAN-Event/10737435220/)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

My bad. Here's the link

http://live.freeandequal.org/stream.html

[angrymissy]

http://i.imgur.com/xFjCC.gif

[Snoogans]

Apparently CSPAN is carrying it on tv. Their website says it will be on at 9 but the cablevision channel guide says some other BS. But i think it will be on tv

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I like how they allow the audience to applaud and not have them just sit there silent

[Snoogans]

yea too bad they forgot to do opening statements before the first question. First time events are the best

[spoon]

i do not, it wastes time and promotes sides to stack the audience

leave them out of it

[Kevin]

This is a clusterfuck.

Btw id bang the hell out of Christina Tobin...

[Dude!]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2222070/Donald-Trump-reveal-divorce-papers-Michelle-Barack-Obama--claims-respected-financial-pundit.html

12 year old divorce papers? If so, that's pretty damned low

well, it depends what's in them

i wouldn't be surprised if Michelle
saw the possible gay bath house video
and was so repulsed that she
filed for divorce...who wouldn't?

or maybe she was divorcing barack
for extreme mental cruelty...or even
physical abuse...although it would
be hard to tell if she had a black eye

maybe the papers prove that barack
tormented her...making her eat nothing
but pork rinds, suet and 64-oz Big Gulps
all the while beating her bloody with
large, firm eggplants and zucchinis,
just to further humiliate her

you should fear what's in those papers

[WRESTLINGFAN]

War on Drugs segment should be interesting.

[spoon]

well, it depends what's in them

i wouldn't be surprised if Michelle
saw the possible gay bath house video
and was so repulsed that she
filed for divorce...who wouldn't?

or maybe she was divorcing barack
for extreme mental cruelty...or even
physical abuse...although it would
be hard to tell if she had a black eye

maybe the papers prove that barack
tormented her...making her eat nothing
but pork rinds, suet and 64-oz Big Gulps
all the while beating her bloody with
large, firm eggplants and zucchini,
just to further humiliate her

you should fear what's in those papers

you try to hard to live up to the absurdity of your own ideals

[WRESTLINGFAN]

i do not, it wastes time and promotes sides to stack the audience

leave them out of it

As long as there not interfering, I dont have a problem with it.

Its refreshing to see audience involvement and not some cookie cutter pre processed scripted act

[spoon]

this guy has a whole jar of marbles in his mouth

wtf is he even saying?

[Snoogans]

i love that virgil goode just got booed at a debate. that was the best shit ever

[spoon]

As long as there not interfering, I dont have a problem with it.

Its refreshing to see audience involvement and not some cookie cutter pre processed scripted act

every fucking comment is still cookie cutter pre-processed as you would call it

now the audience DOES interfere in every way regardless of your side on the issue or candidate that is speaking

[Kevin]

this guy has a whole jar of marbles in his mouth

wtf is he even saying?

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4612971754555451&pid=1.9

[WRESTLINGFAN]

every fucking comment is still cookie cutter pre-processed as you would call it

now the audience DOES interfere in every way regardless of your side on the issue or candidate that is speaking

Its their view and opinions in which they believe in and not some scripted answers with armies of debate coaches.

Tonights debate isn't prim and proper but it gets the people involved and not the corporate masters of Romney and Barack

[Snoogans]

Its their view and opinions in which they believe in and not some scripted answers with armies of debate coaches.

Tonights debate isn't prim and proper but it gets the people involved and not the corporate masters of Romney and Barack

yea its the first one so its gonna be pretty rough. But just that its on for people to hear it. Thats a start. Any awareness you can get

[WRESTLINGFAN]

i love that virgil goode just got booed at a debate. that was the best shit ever

He sounds like Perot after a few scotch and sodas

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm getting a bigger man crush for G J


He explained that his 43% military spending cut would take us to 2003 levels. 2003 Levels is still a hefty sized budget

[spoon]

Its their view and opinions in which they believe in and not some scripted answers with armies of debate coaches.

Tonights debate isn't prim and proper but it gets the people involved and not the corporate masters of Romney and Barack

please wf, they may not be the top two parties, but they sure as hell have scripted answers and have had speech writers and campaigners helping prep for years

people aren't involve by clapping for their guy/view...I don't care what others feel on it right now, I want the candidates to get their opinions and views out there without crowd pandering bullshit

[Snoogans]

gary johnson is killin it. I forgot about all the support we got from iranians after 9/11. they knew it would make the whole area look bad and they didnt want that shit

[spoon]

the moderation of this debate is horrid too...who picked larry king? i'm convince he may not know where he is.

this debate also has the potential to make a mockery of truly viable third party candidates like Johnson and Stein

it's still far from over, but I do wish Johnson was on the stage with Obama and Romney to truly mix things up and call out bullshit

[Snoogans]

lottery scholarships is a great fuckin idea

[spoon]

lottery scholarships is a great fuckin idea

is it?

what does that really fix?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

please wf, they may not be the top two parties, but they sure as hell have scripted answers and have had speech writers and campaigners helping prep for years

people aren't involve by clapping for their guy/view...I don't care what others feel on it right now, I want the candidates to get their opinions and views out there without crowd pandering bullshit

Im not disagreeing with you, however I'm Obama and Romney looked like Robots out there and spent probably hundreds of hours on debate tactics body language etc.

The candidates tonight are getting their points across and they actually believe in their respective replies.

Obama rails against Wall St then takes campaign cash from them. Romney wants to balance the fed budget but he loves a bloated military.

[Snoogans]

the moderation of this debate is horrid too...who picked larry king? i'm convince he may not know where he is.

this debate also has the potential to make a mockery of truly viable third party candidates like Johnson and Stein

it's still far from over, but I do wish Johnson was on the stage with Obama and Romney to truly mix things up and call out bullshit

if he was in all 3 debates, the landscape would be vastly different. if that many people heard his ideas, with how bad the other ideas are, he may not win, but he would definitely help get some major ship accomplished

[Snoogans]

is it?

what does that really fix?

well true, but i mean as an interim to keep the things from gettin out of control while they figure out something else. Cause he is right, the gov giving loans no matter what is a huge part of why school has gotten so expensive

[spoon]

Im not disagreeing with you, however I'm Obama and Romney looked like Robots out there and spent probably hundreds of hours on debate tactics body language etc.

The candidates tonight are getting their points across and they actually believe in their respective replies.

Obama rails against Wall St then takes campaign cash from them. Romney wants to balance the fed budget but he loves a bloated military.

your examples are funny

you can be against wall street fraud and loose tactics and still take money from it for your campaign

you can be for a balanced fed budget and keep the funding for the military

I may not agree with some of it, but they are not independent of each other and ignoring wall street no matter how much you despise their way is suicide

[spoon]

well true, but i mean as an interim to keep the things from gettin out of control while they figure out something else. Cause he is right, the gov giving loans no matter what is a huge part of why school has gotten so expensive

school admin has pushed it for more expansion in all areas while getting HUGE tax cuts or none at all on many levels. all that time capitalizing on gov loans for kids as you state.

Johnson got smoked on this one if you ask me by Stein and Rocky. Virgil, well he's just out there to hear himself talk tough.

[spoon]

ndaa is a joke

stein again coming out strong, but her voice reminds me of Hilary or nails on a chalkboard

[WRESTLINGFAN]

GJ Nailed it on the cycle of the treasury printing money and the fed buying MBS from the banks and keeping rates close to 0%

[Snoogans]

ndaa is a joke

stein again coming out strong, but her voice reminds me of Hilary or nails on a chalkboard

she seems incredibly nervous. Its weird

[spoon]

GJ Nailed it on the cycle of the treasury printing money and the fed buying MBS from the banks and keeping rates close to 0%

well the US better be MUCH healthier to stop this policy at this point...if we don't ease it back, we'll have a HUGE fallout and even bigger issues.

[spoon]

she seems incredibly nervous. Its weird

perhaps there's a cop in the front row?

http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2012/08/03/can-anyone-replace-nader-in-the-green-party-race-for-the-white-house/_jcr_content/body/inlineimage.img.503.jpg/1344041647376.cached.jpg

rocky pretty strong thus far and surprising me

virgil is just a fucking mess (one sentence) :wink:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Kudos to them for calling out Obama for signing the NDAA and keeping the PA

To be fair if theres President Romney, those will remain intact


GJ's reply was the best.

[spoon]

virgil has been awesome, but could you imagine if this one was in the debate too!?

http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/gty_roseanne_barr_nt_120711_wblog.jpg

[spoon]

Kudos to them for calling out Obama for signing the NDAA and keeping the PA

To be fair if theres President Romney, those will remain intact


GJ's reply was the best.

was it?

and man Larry sucks

any rebuttals to that (on GJ's liberty torch ACLU rundown)...I guess not :wallbash:

i'm not convinced he can even hear the candidates actual words

[spoon]

virgil on it with this one

I agree

[spoon]

Johnson just one upped the mush mouth on his first vital answer on the night

[WRESTLINGFAN]

was it?

and man Larry sucks

any rebuttals to that (on GJ's liberty torch ACLU rundown)...I guess not :wallbash:

i'm not convinced he can even hear the candidates actual words

Yes it was'

21 out of 24 torches is impressive.

[spoon]

stein plays the one up game even further as this everything being done now sucks debate

we need them WITH the establishment pieces for a true debate

this is an agree-fest and one upping the last answer debate as they almost agree on everything

[spoon]

Yes it was'

21 out of 24 torches is impressive.

nobody even takes that at face value, bc even those that respect the ACLU have differences and can't generalize that too much

[spoon]

Virgil, fuck the world campaign!

[spoon]

PAC's completely gone...ooo that'll be REAL TOUGH to even pose in reality, much less pass.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

G J said it best. Wasting your vote is voting for someone you don't believe in.

[Snoogans]

they actually got this shit done on time after all the hiccups

[spoon]

G J said it best. Wasting your vote is voting for someone you don't believe in.


i'm getting the feeling you're a bit biased as usual

it was a good point nonetheless, but you fail to comment on anything but your guy and how he "nailed" everything



as I say this, Rocky makes my very point that at least someone from this debate should have been at the main debates to challenge them

nice points being made now too

I knew very little of him to be honest, but I do like his complete honest and ballsy approach.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Anderson and Stein veer to the left of what I believe in regards to wanting single payer and the green agenda. Im being honest with that. I do agree with both of them in regards to wars, the NDAA and PA


I think Johnsons immigration plan while he didnt get too much into the woods with it, involves a balanced approach.

I like the idea of killing the income tax and eliminating the IRS

[Snoogans]

nice another debate next tuesday.

[spoon]

to me, Rocky Anderson was the winner overall, with Stein and Johnson having solid showings as well

Selecting two to move on would be between these three, not sure which personally.

It will be Stein and Johnson most likely though, even though I was impressed thoroughly by the conviction and substance of Anderson.

Just my take.

[Snoogans]

to me, Rocky Anderson was the winner overall, with Stein and Johnson having solid showings as well

Selecting two to move on would be between these three, not sure which personally.

It will be Stein and Johnson most likely though, even though I was impressed thoroughly by the conviction and substance of Anderson.

Just my take.

well you will have time to think on it casue the site to go choose is being pounded by traffic

[spoon]

post it here

i missed it

[spoon]

what two would everyone choose that watched?

I go Anderson/Johnson...but liked a lot of what Stein was for as well. I just can't take her fucking voice.

[spoon]

this Biden speech is LOUD after that debate

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Anderson and Johnson of there was a 2 way debate


Virgil Goodes voice was worse than Steins

[Snoogans]

i would still prob go jill stein and gary johnson, though i was pretty impressed by Rocky too.

The site will be www.freeandequal.org whenever they get it up there

[Snoogans]

its back up, you can go there and vote now

[spoon]

anderson 1

? 2 ?

stein or johnson

hmmmm

[NickyL0885]

What.The.Fuck

The GOP are REALLY insane!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/23/gop-senate-candidate-pregnancies-from-rape-gods-will/?cid=sf_twitter

[Dude!]

What.The.Fuck

The GOP are REALLY insane!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/23/gop-senate-candidate-pregnancies-from-rape-gods-will/?cid=sf_twitter

why do you hate
babies so much?

[NickyL0885]

why do you hate
babies so much?

Nope. I will not get sucked into this argument. I see what it has done to others.

[Melk]

What.The.Fuck

The GOP are REALLY insane!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/23/gop-senate-candidate-pregnancies-from-rape-gods-will/?cid=sf_twitter
That candidate's rationale is so sound it is airtight. God, conversely, send rapists to rape so that more abortions can be performed. The intelligent designer of the universe made babies so delicate so more of them die.

[A.J.]

gary johnson is killin it. I forgot about all the support we got from iranians after 9/11. they knew it would make the whole area look bad and they didnt want that shit

Yes but we had to think of poor, defenseless, helpless Israel and go back to making Iran a pariah state.

[A.J.]

What.The.Fuck

The GOP are REALLY insane!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/23/gop-senate-candidate-pregnancies-from-rape-gods-will/?cid=sf_twitter

I'm pretty sure that's in the Bible somewhere.

[Jujubees2]

why do you hate
babies so much?

Love the baby. Hate the zygote.

[ozzie]

In case anyone missed it live last night (like me):

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/CoNPO4h2quk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Furtherman]

So Trump wants to see the President's report card and passport or some charity will NOT get $5 million dollars. Worst ransom request ever.

[angrymissy]

My answer would be "Mr. Trump, the United States does not negotiate with terrorists"

[Misteriosa]

My answer would be "Mr. Trump, the United States does not negotiate with terrorists"

:slowclap:

[Furtherman]

My answer would be "Mr. Trump, the United States does not negotiate with terrorists"

:thumbup:

[Jujubees2]

My answer would be "Mr. Trump, the United States does not negotiate with terrorists"

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thum bup::thumbup:

Meanwhile, Trump is taking the city to the cleaners for his new golf course in the Bronx

Trump Cleared to Manage Golf Course, Despite Opposition (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/19/nyregion/despite-critics-trump-cleared-to-manage-bronx-golf-course.html?_r=0)

[Dude!]

some bombshell...
Trump is an idiot

[KnoxHarrington]

What a total piece of shit Trump is. Even if President Obama did respond to this -- and he shouldn't -- you know that fuckstick Trump would probably find some way to weasel out of it. He'd probably declare bankruptcy. Again.

[KnoxHarrington]

And, once again, the Onion nails it:

NEW YORK—In a blockbuster announcement today, Donald Trump announced that he is a very sad man who has nothing to live for other than drawing attention to himself. "I'm a sad, pathetic human being and a complete waste of life," said Trump, adding that he lives an empty existence, and that he is nothing more than a corporate shill, as well as a failed husband, father, and human being. "I am the piece of shit you stepped in on your way to work. I am the vomit that hurls out of your mouth when you are sick. I want to kill myself very badly. Thank you." Trump then slit his throat from ear to ear.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/trump-announces-hes-a-very-sad-man,30077

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Maybe our President will discuss it on Leno tonight.

Speaking of Media and attention whores. Whats Gloria Allreds bombshell?


Instead of College records the news du jour should be about more fallout from Bengazi about emails btwn State and WH in regards to an AQ affiliated group claiming responsibility for the attack within hours.


I'm in no way claiming a coverup (yet) however there has been lack of transparancy by both State and the WH. We are not getting the entire truth about what happened

[A.J.]

I don't know why Obama doesn't just put this to bed once and for all like he did with the birth certificate issue. He released that to shut all these wackjobs up -- release the grades and be done with it.

[epo]

The WSJof all places has actually done some really great reporting on the Libya incident.

It sounds like the intelligence community really fucked that one up.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Seeing last nights 3rd party debates, They might not be as polished as Mitt or Barack, However at least they arent shills for special interests.


I disagree with Stein and Anderson in regards to Medicare for all and their green agenda however at least they are honest and upfront.


Gary Johnson isnt as cool as Obama or as scripted and pretty as Mitt however he's not afraid to call out the administration and Romney for their big government scams and schemes and their lust for war

[spoon]

What a total piece of shit Trump is. Even if President Obama did respond to this -- and he shouldn't -- you know that fuckstick Trump would probably find some way to weasel out of it. He'd probably declare bankruptcy. Again.

you nailed it

great businessman my ass, he's just an inheritance/birth lottery winner and taps out of soooo many bad investments and ventures he's more a great bullshit artist and manipulator of contracts and currency

[spoon]

I don't know why Obama doesn't just put this to bed once and for all like he did with the birth certificate issue. He released that to shut all these wackjobs up -- release the grades and be done with it.

when does it stop? to me it's the same reason Mitt doesn't and shouldn't HAVE TO give his tax info since he started working, it's just too invasive and bullshit

they may be in the public eye and in public office, but they don't have to show everything at every lunatic's request, even if it has implications on policy and views

if it's not required, you make a request and then it's up to the politician

once he/she says no or releases the info, then shut the fuck up

Trump is just as the Onion stated, boring, self absorbed and pathetic.

Let's talk policy, not this bullshit AGAIN.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Comcast wont dump him because he's a cash cow. I'm in now way defending his practices and he is an overrated so called businessman but as long as the cash comes in, they are fine with him and his antics

[spoon]

Seeing last nights 3rd party debates, They might not be as polished as Mitt or Barack, However at least they arent shills for special interests.


I disagree with Stein and Anderson in regards to Medicare for all and their green agenda however at least they are honest and upfront.


Gary Johnson isnt as cool as Obama or as scripted and pretty as Mitt however he's not afraid to call out the administration and Romney for their big government scams and schemes and their lust for war

Until they all get closer to the office or somehow ever in office. Johnson even stated he was different in his first term based on the setup of voting and office terms. So he all but admitted that it takes effect and he would surely be influenced further at the highest level of office to say the least. This is on the same line as when Obama actually thought he could change so much, he found out the establishment simply won't let that happen and the only way to get rid of this is by chipping away at it and term limits. It won't happen overnight, and Virgil had a VERY good point on the grandfathering in idea for term limits working.

[Snoogans]

Until they all get closer to the office or somehow ever in office. Johnson even stated he was different in his first term based on the setup of voting and office terms. So he all but admitted that it takes effect and he would surely be influenced further at the highest level of office to say the least. This is on the same line as when Obama actually thought he could change so much, he found out the establishment simply won't let that happen and the only way to get rid of this is by chipping away at it and term limits. It won't happen overnight, and Virgil had a VERY good point on the grandfathering in idea for term limits working.

it was a bit surreal at a debate to see people clapping for ideas of people they were running against. THAT was impressive to me. That shows that its really more important to them to try to fix things than it is to be looked at as beating some other guy.

[jimmyolsenblues]

congress is relected at over 80% every election.
It won't matter who is president if the congress is not changed.

http://www.opensecrets.org/bigpicture/reelect.php

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Until they all get closer to the office or somehow ever in office. Johnson even stated he was different in his first term based on the setup of voting and office terms. So he all but admitted that it takes effect and he would surely be influenced further at the highest level of office to say the least. This is on the same line as when Obama actually thought he could change so much, he found out the establishment simply won't let that happen and the only way to get rid of this is by chipping away at it and term limits. It won't happen overnight, and Virgil had a VERY good point on the grandfathering in idea for term limits working.

Oh I agree if there were to be a Johnson or Anderson administration DC would take years to change, as long as they dont become the establishment. Obama saw that he couldnt change it and became part of the club. I liked how it was mentioned that politicians are only concerned with the next election cycle.

Look what happens the day after inauguration day. The presumptive 2016 candidates set up shop in Iowa and become figurative corn farmers.

[spoon]

it was a bit surreal at a debate to see people clapping for ideas of people they were running against. THAT was impressive to me. That shows that its really more important to them to try to fix things than it is to be looked at as beating some other guy.

well honestly they all know it's them against the establishment

and supporting each other in their takes, since often so similar, only helps the root cause

I don't find that so surprising, it only serves the overall purpose of the other parties in the future. We've been here many times before, what will make this go to the next step? I'm not sure it honestly will, especially with the super pacs. The last thing corporate America, much less the big money donors want is another party to feed in case they get in power. It's great for us the public at large, but how often do things amount to anything in our favor?

[Snoogans]

well honestly they all know it's them against the establishment

and supporting each other in their takes, since often so similar, only helps the root cause

I don't find that so surprising, it only serves the overall purpose of the other parties in the future. We've been here many times before, what will make this go to the next step? I'm not sure it honestly will, especially with the super pacs. The last thing corporate America, much less the big money donors want is another party to feed in case they get in power. It's great for us the public at large, but how often do things amount to anything in our favor?
well, this was the first time they ever had a debate of those candidates, so that exposure, however limited, can only help. Getting into a debate with the dem and repub candidates is what will eventually do it. I dont know if thats in 4 years or 8 or whatever but it will happen.

I wouldnt mind seein, in 4 years, a ticket of Ron Paul for pres with Gary Johnson as VP. I think that could make some real noise

[spoon]

well, this was the first time they ever had a debate of those candidates, so that exposure, however limited, can only help. Getting into a debate with the dem and repub candidates is what will eventually do it. I dont know if thats in 4 years or 8 or whatever but it will happen.

I wouldnt mind seein, in 4 years, a ticket of Ron Paul for pres with Gary Johnson as VP. I think that could make some real noise

they have had inclusion in the past with Ross P, so it's not advancement JUST to get there

it's getting BACK to the baseline at best, IF it happens

i hope it does as long as it's a viable candidate, not some contrarian just to get press/attention...meaning another rich fuck like Trump who simply buys in and gets whatever party's nod.

[Dude!]

Trump is just as the Onion stated, boring, self absorbed and pathetic.

OMG...the irony

given his extreme narcissism,
spoon is the Donald Trump
of ronfez.net

[spoon]

yes yes, you continue to say the same shit yet fill that exact role yourself (with a whole lot of racism sprinkled in)

and did you just use OMG? are you a 5th grade girl texting now? I guess it fits with your cutesy post structure

if only you could dot your i's with hearts

:wub:

[Snoogans]

they have had inclusion in the past with Ross P, so it's not advancement JUST to get there

it's getting BACK to the baseline at best, IF it happens

i hope it does as long as it's a viable candidate, not some contrarian just to get press/attention...meaning another rich fuck like Trump who simply buys in and gets whatever party's nod.


Ross Perot woulda won though. He was leading polls before he made some racist comments and dropped out of the race for like 2 months. He got back in the race and still ended up with 20%. So if someone was running who wasnt a complete dope, there is a pretty good chance

[spoon]

perot was winning in the same way Newt and godfather's pizza were winning the republican polling

he never had a real shot in my mind, despite the tripe running against him

[spoon]

and pretty good is too strong for me

an outside chance at best up until and including now, if that

[Snoogans]

perot was winning in the same way Newt and godfather's pizza were winning the republican polling

he never had a real shot in my mind, despite the tripe running against him

i dont know, going back and reading over it all, i think if he hadnt done that racist shit and dropped out, i think he steals it

[spoon]

well i guess we'll never know the answer completely, but to me I remember him being the drain on republican votes and the GOP was not happy about it

not that he was truly on track to win that thing in any way

[Snoogans]

well i guess we'll never know the answer completely, but to me I remember him being the drain on republican votes and the GOP was not happy about it

not that he was truly on track to win that thing in any way

for what its worth, before he dropped out of the election, national polling in June of the election eyar had him at 39% against 31 for bush and 25 for clinton. Again i know its just a poll, but thats pretty fuckin strong

[Furtherman]

yes yes, you continue to say the same shit yet fill that exact role yourself (with a whole lot of racism sprinkled in)

and did you just use OMG? are you a 5th grade girl texting now? I guess it fits with your cutesy post structure

if only you could dot your i's with hearts

:wub:

Please don't feed the troll. You'll have plenty of time to tell him to suck it over the next four years.

[Dude!]

yes yes, you continue to say the same shit yet fill that exact role yourself

even a simpleminded goatherd
like Kevin is on to your
me-me-me personality disorder

did you know that narcissism
is the underlying condition
of all serial killers?

i see it coming...

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Not to make light on the Libya attack but arguably the most famous still photo of it looks like someone who could be on Jersey Shore


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/20/article-2205825-14FBE573000005DC-263_634x407.jpg

[brettmojo]

Not to make light on the Libya attack but arguably the most famous still photo of it looks like someone who could be on Jersey Shore


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/20/article-2205825-14FBE573000005DC-263_634x407.jpg

Gym, terrorize, laundry...

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Gym, terrorize, laundry...



In Bengazi, they actually go out looking for grenades


DTF over there is Down to Firebomb

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I guess the usual race hustlers learned their lesson and didn't attach their tentacles on this


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/10/23/sharmeka-moffitt-louisiana-woman-set-on-fire-kkk-race-related-attack-_n_2005232.html

[Melk]

i dont know, going back and reading over it all, i think if he hadnt done that racist shit and dropped out, i think he steals it
The racist stuff really didn't register a blip in his popularity at the time. If he hadn't dropped out for what he claimed was a ”dirty tricks campaign” that supposedly sought to expose his daughter having an affair shortly before her wedding. He came off as a nut.

His ”racist” comment was him saying ” stuck in the tarbaby.” Nobody cared.

[Kevin]

even a simpleminded goatherd
like Kevin is on to your
me-me-me personality disorder

did you know that narcissism
is the underlying condition
of all serial killers?

i see it coming...

Right because I am the one with a one minded shitty gimmick that talks like a five year old.

Say what you want about spoon, is he crazy? Sure.

But at least he makes a intelligent effort to convey his craziness.

You are nothing more that a lower level Lord Jezo gimmick.

You must be married to some fat hog of a women that rules you with an iron fist.. Or fists you with an iron ruler.. Whichever she likes better..

and have a shitty pathetic job.

Spoon maybe crazy but at least he is functional and sucessful at what he does.

You are just a big dump some demon took after a night of heavy drinking and tacos.

[Snoogans]

The racist stuff really didn't register a blip in his popularity at the time. If he hadn't dropped out for what he claimed was a ”dirty tricks campaign” that supposedly sought to expose his daughter having an affair shortly before her wedding. He came off as a nut.

His ”racist” comment was him saying ” stuck in the tarbaby.” Nobody cared.

yea i saw this after and realized it wasnt cause of that. Just him droppin out made alot of people think he was a loon and thats what killed him. But if he didnt drop out, i really think he had a good shot to win

[KnoxHarrington]

Hmm, wonder why Trump decided to make a "major announcement" today...

Trump's announcement today appears to be an attempt to tamp down coverage of the Trump Organization being fired on Tuesday as the management company for Trump Place.

Effective Nov. 1, AKAM Living Services will take over the management duties of Trump Place. The upscale New York City condominium felt it was time to make a change. Condominium board members said they had given the Trump Organization several years to improve their service. The service did not improve to the board's satisfaction.

The Trump Organization claimed they were unaware of the change in management companies. The board notified Trump that his services would no longer be necessary last week. It was not long after when Trump began spreading word of his 'major announcement'.

http://www.examiner.com/article/donald-trump-fired-from-management-of-trump-place

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The Trump thing is basically Trump trying to grab attention.


Obama's campaign is not clean when it comes to having records unsealed. He was down in the Democratic primary for the US Senate seat. He was trailing a lot however the campaign fought relentlessly to get his opponents records unsealed.

[Snoogans]

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[spoon]

Gym, terrorize, laundry...

ha!

fuck that's funny

now off to my serial plotting

it's coming

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Powell Endorses Obama again

Deep down he believes Obama is awful however he doesn't want to be kicked out of the DC cocktail party circuit

[epo]

Powell Endorses Obama again

Deep down he believes Obama is awful however he doesn't want to be kicked out of the DC cocktail party circuit

Really? Did Powell tell you that or did you imagine that?

[A.J.]

This is the son of my Congressman and it was filmed a couple of blocks from my condo. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/jim-morans-son-resigns-campaign-amid-video-furor/2012/10/24/95ea4a56-1e23-11e2-b647-bb1668e64058_story.html?hpid=z3)

No matter, Moran will cruise to reelection.

[Jujubees2]

Really? Did Powell tell you that or did you imagine that?

Please epo, do not question the wisdom of WF.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Really? Did Powell tell you that or did you imagine that?

I heard it from Baracks Composite Girlfriend


He's like David Brooks and John McCain. Democrats are happy to use him but will never like him.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This is the son of my Congressman and it was filmed a couple of blocks from my condo. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/jim-morans-son-resigns-campaign-amid-video-furor/2012/10/24/95ea4a56-1e23-11e2-b647-bb1668e64058_story.html?hpid=z3)

No matter, Moran will cruise to reelection.

Safe to say, Rangel will have a higher reelection percentage

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Takes one to know one


http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/10/25/romney_s_a_bullshitter_obama_tells_rolling_stone.h tml

[Dude!]

Takes one to know one


http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/10/25/romney_s_a_bullshitter_obama_tells_rolling_stone.h tml

ghetto barry hits a new low...
the soccer moms around philly
and columbus won't like that

[Snoogans]

ghetto barry hits a new low...
the soccer moms around philly
and columbus won't like that

you have clearly never spent time around soccer moms.

Dude, seriously? People in philly are gonna get mad at some cursing?

[Snoogans]

not that this really means anything, but it was a decent thing to see:

Libertarian Party nominee and former Republican New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson has received his biggest endorsement of the campaign season. The Chattanooga Times Free Press announced in an in-depth editorial that it is supporting Johnson for president.

[Dude!]

you have clearly never spent time around soccer moms.

Dude, seriously? People in philly are gonna get mad at some cursing?

you are correct this one time...
i should not have implied
that suburban Philadelphia women
would be offended...
they have had too much exposure
to the filthy cesspool that is Philadelphia

i should have referenced the moms
in the suburbs of Des Moines, Richmond,
and Charlotte, where the women
aren't yet pigs

[Jujubees2]

you are correct this one time...
i should not have implied
that suburban Philadelphia women
would be offended...
they have had too much exposure
to the filthy cesspool that is Philadelphia

i should have referenced the moms
in the suburbs of Des Moines, Richmond,
and Charlotte, where the women
aren't yet pigs

Haven't been to Charlotte in a while, have you?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

NC isnt as rural as people think. Especially around Charlotte and Raleigh Durham.

A lot of people fled the Northeast especially NY for friendlier taxes

[WRESTLINGFAN]

One thing that bothered me during the debate for the 3rd Party members is when Stein kept saying that we are a democracy.

Why do politicians keep saying this? They want to be the Head of the Executive branch and still they dont know we are a constitutional republic.

I wish they would have asked what amendments to repeal. I already stated that the 16th should be.

Shitcan the 17th amendment. Senators should have never been popularly elected. Leave it back to state legislatures

We already have a chamber that represents the people.

[brettmojo]

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee103/brettmojo/Romney-Face-Swap.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Mrs Romney in that bottom picture still looks better than FLOTUS

[Bob Impact]

Mrs Romney in that bottom picture still looks better than FLOTUS

That's crazy, and possibly racist

[WRESTLINGFAN]

FLOTUS is not attractive


Beyonce, Vanessa Williams and Halle Berry are beautiful black women

No racism in my opinion

[epo]

That's crazy, and possibly racist

The man obviously has zero taste.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The man obviously has zero taste.



Any woman who would talk to you , she would be considered a 10

[WRESTLINGFAN]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/400261_515081458502769_1085836494_n.jpg

[Kevin]

Man I am just shocked that The NY Post endorsed Romney.

WHO SAW THAT COMING!!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Just as shocking when the NYT Endorses Obama

[Kevin]

Why do either even bother?

NY is always in the bag for dems.

Do they really think their obvious, shameless endorsements will change anything?

[epo]

Man I am just shocked that The NY Post endorsed Romney.

WHO SAW THAT COMING!!!!

Of course Rupert Murdoch endorsed the republican.


Just as shocking when the NYT Endorses Obama

Of course the national paper of record endorsed the best candidate.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Oh yes the Times has so much credibility as the puppet they endorse

[spoon]

Takes one to know one


http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/10/25/romney_s_a_bullshitter_obama_tells_rolling_stone.h tml

well you told him!

naa naa na naa naaa...awful