2013 Yankees offseason.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Pitchers and Catchers reported to Tampa this week , might as well start a new thread.


Already it looks like Yankee brass might have give Youklis a stern talking to.



http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/8951165/kevin-youkilis-says-proud-member-new-york-yankees

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Hughes out at least 2 weeks


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/phil-hughes-back-two-weeks-181800685.html;_ylt=A2KJ2PYYISVR0CIA.m7QtDMD

[cougarjake13]

if yanks win 90 games I'd be shocked

here's my al east prediction

rays
jays
orioles
yanks
sawx

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Soriano open to being traded. Wouldn't be surprised if the Yankees are on the radar. I'm sure the cubs would pick up most of his remaining salary

[cougarjake13]

where wuld he play ?
fourth outfielder?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Probably OF/DH


Yanks and Cano are talking long term extension. They usually don't do that during the season.


Bad move. He's going to want low to mid 20's per year. Plus he will be 32 at end of season. 30 and 100 are nice numbers during the regular season but he blows in October with a .222 BA

[brettmojo]

Probably OF/DH


Yanks and Cano are talking long term extension. They usually don't do that during the season.


Bad move. He's going to want low to mid 20's per year. Plus he will be 32 at end of season. 30 and 100 are nice numbers during the regular season but he blows in October with a .222 BA

31

They have to sign him. Tex is declining. Arod's done. It's the current system in baseball. Signing these guys to get their peak years and dealing with the tail end down the road. The Yankees can afford it.

[newport king]

Hughes out at least 2 weeks


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/phil-hughes-back-two-weeks-181800685.html;_ylt=A2KJ2PYYISVR0CIA.m7QtDMD


I was talking to a friend of mine before. Hughes will be shut down. Stupid Dan Murphy on the Mets is getting cortizone shots already...are baseball players the biggest pussies as far as athletes go? These guys have been in camp like 4 days. Theyre in their 20s. I remember my 20s. It wasnt that long ago. I was indestructible.

Or is it a generational thing? Keith Hernandez did mounds of coke, never wore batting gloves. SMOKED. And he won an mvp and had roughly a 300 lifetime average. I think he tore a hammy once. Thats it. Meanwhile Jose Reyes had to relearn how to fuckin run at 20 years old.

Sorry for posting this in the yankee thread as clearly im a Mets fan but im just comparing then to now

[WRESTLINGFAN]

31

They have to sign him. Tex is declining. Arod's done. It's the current system in baseball. Signing these guys to get their peak years and dealing with the tail end down the road. The Yankees can afford it.



Don't they want to get down to 189 million to avoid the luxury tax?

They have CC Tex and A Rod (Who may or not be back) all making over 20 million.

I think Jeter has a player option for 2014 if he exercises that , he will be making 17


The accounting/payroll dept better get cracking

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I was talking to a friend of mine before. Hughes will be shut down. Stupid Dan Murphy on the Mets is getting cortizone shots already...are baseball players the biggest pussies as far as athletes go? These guys have been in camp like 4 days. Theyre in their 20s. I remember my 20s. It wasnt that long ago. I was indestructible.

Or is it a generational thing? Keith Hernandez did mounds of coke, never wore batting gloves. SMOKED. And he won an mvp and had roughly a 300 lifetime average. I think he tore a hammy once. Thats it. Meanwhile Jose Reyes had to relearn how to fuckin run at 20 years old.

Sorry for posting this in the yankee thread as clearly im a Mets fan but im just comparing then to now


Sorta related but it seems like more pitchers are getting TJ surgery than years before.

[cougarjake13]

Sorta related but it seems like more pitchers are getting TJ surgery than years before.



could it be bc tommy John surgeries are successful and some players even btr afterwards vs back in the day where it was basically career over see ya have a nice life thus no surgery

[DarkHippie]

Pitchers and Catchers reported to Tampa this week , might as well start a new thread.


Already it looks like Yankee brass might have give Youklis a stern talking to.



http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/8951165/kevin-youkilis-says-proud-member-new-york-yankees

Youk earned a lot of points with me for saying that in the first place. It's rare to see that kind of loyalty these days, and i respect it.

[spoon]

Pitchers and Catchers reported to Tampa this week , might as well start a new thread.


Already it looks like Yankee brass might have give Youklis a stern talking to.



http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/8951165/kevin-youkilis-says-proud-member-new-york-yankees

why?

you rarely make sense do you?

[spoon]

if yanks win 90 games I'd be shocked

here's my al east prediction

rays
jays
orioles
yanks
sawx

boooooo!

yet I might even sign up for that if it meant the Jays get the WC!

almost my dream order

Jays
Rays
O's
Sox
Yanks

[spoon]

Probably OF/DH


Yanks and Cano are talking long term extension. They usually don't do that during the season.


Bad move. He's going to want low to mid 20's per year. Plus he will be 32 at end of season. 30 and 100 are nice numbers during the regular season but he blows in October with a .222 BA

if all works out to plan, these assholes won't have to worry about October baseball for a while

sign him up!

[spoon]

31

They have to sign him. Tex is declining. Arod's done. It's the current system in baseball. Signing these guys to get their peak years and dealing with the tail end down the road. The Yankees can afford it.

honestly, BM is right

I wouldn't let a guy like Cano go with all his talent and all NY's money

ha, BM

[spoon]

I was talking to a friend of mine before. Hughes will be shut down. Stupid Dan Murphy on the Mets is getting cortizone shots already...are baseball players the biggest pussies as far as athletes go? These guys have been in camp like 4 days. Theyre in their 20s. I remember my 20s. It wasnt that long ago. I was indestructible.

Or is it a generational thing? Keith Hernandez did mounds of coke, never wore batting gloves. SMOKED. And he won an mvp and had roughly a 300 lifetime average. I think he tore a hammy once. Thats it. Meanwhile Jose Reyes had to relearn how to fuckin run at 20 years old.

Sorry for posting this in the yankee thread as clearly im a Mets fan but im just comparing then to now

HEY!
:furious:

http://www.foxyroxyscollectables.com/catalog/7f81_1_240_1.JPG

You leave CaberReyes alone!

[Kevin]

If the Yankees give Cano a big deal at 31 with all they have learned, then they need to be sold ASAP.

Tor is still finishing 3rd...

[spoon]

If the Yankees give Cano a big deal at 31 with all they have learned, then they need to be sold ASAP.

Tor is still finishing 3rd...

MONEY

At least you've toned it down a ton from your last prediction for them, but I'd take your big mouth much more seriously if you backed it with a bet. Still, do I really want to wait until the Roberto Luongo contract to expire to get paid on it!? Probably not worth the time to make the bet in the end.

[Kevin]

MONEY

At least you've toned it down a ton from your last prediction for them, but I'd take your big mouth much more seriously if you backed it with a bet. Still, do I really want to wait until the Roberto Luongo contract to expire to get paid on it!? Probably not worth the time to make the bet in the end.

Unlike the Yankees, I learn my lesson in making stupid decisions...

[spoon]

Unlike the Yankees, I learn my lesson in making stupid decisions...

the yanks have titles and it worked for a LONG time relatively speaking

not sure how you expected them to stop a successful tactic before it ran its course

yet losing arguably your best positional player up the middle in his prime seems to be a bad call no matter how you slice it

[spoon]

Unlike the Yankees, I learn my lesson in making stupid decisions...

also, that's my overall point Kev

you can HOPE the Jays finish no better than third, but do you believe this rationally

it surely could happen, more so than your 4th/last claim of the past, but outside of injuries (not something the Jays are very lucky with truly) and plain just shitting to bed, you have to think that is a risky bet right now as you all but just admitted.

do i honestly think they should be WS favs as vegas has them, no way in hell with so many new faces, very little pen race experience, no history together and hell a new coaching staff to boot. yet I have to think they'll be a player in the playoff races at least, much less a possible pennant/WC playoff birth...I'd honestly sign up for either right now

[Kevin]

the yanks have titles and it worked for a LONG time relatively speaking

not sure how you expected them to stop a successful tactic before it ran its course

yet losing arguably your best positional player up the middle in his prime seems to be a bad call no matter how you slice it

Ok lets break this down...

Cano is 31 right..

You sign him 7-10 years..

This team is clogged with high salary players on their downside for 5 of those years...

You can move ONE of those guys to DH and replace them..

Not even the Yankees can take a 50-75mil a year hit PLUS sign other guys.

I get he is a talented player but at this point his play won't matter until he is also on his downside.

[Kevin]

also, that's my overall point Kev

you can HOPE the Jays finish no better than third, but do you believe this rationally

it surely could happen, more so than your 4th/last claim of the past, but outside of injuries (not something the Jays are very lucky with truly) and plain just shitting to bed, you have to think that is a risky bet right now as you all but just admitted.

do i honestly think they should be WS favs as vegas has them, no way in hell with so many new faces, very little pen race experience, no history together and hell a new coaching staff to boot. yet I have to think they'll be a player in the playoff races at least, much less a possible pennant/WC playoff birth...I'd honestly sign up for either right now

I see either happening with the same % of probability..

They can either be great, or greatly disappointing..

[Kevin]

The Yankees need to realize that spending a ton of money has not ever and will never work...

Yankees have 1 title in the lets say 13 years since they started spending.

They need to do what the Yankees did before the 96-00 run.

Suck for a while and rebuild.

Yankees did not win spending, Dodgers, Angels other won't.

Trade Cano for a bunch of prospects.

Get someone who can actually fucking draft and for the love of creation get a medical staff that can handle young pitchers.

Don't give me this NY won't stand for losing seasons nonsense. Giants have, Knicks lost for ages, and are about to enter its 40th title-less year Rangers went 54 fucking years.

Yankees even went a decade and a half without one.

[spoon]

Ok lets break this down...

Cano is 31 right..

You sign him 7-10 years..

This team is clogged with high salary players on their downside for 5 of those years...

You can move ONE of those guys to DH and replace them..

Not even the Yankees can take a 50-75mil a year hit PLUS sign other guys.

I get he is a talented player but at this point his play won't matter until he is also on his downside.

well let's be honest, by the time Cano is at that point most of the others are long gone

not all, but most without even a move or someone retiring like Arod

[spoon]

I see either happening with the same % of probability..

They can either be great, or greatly disappointing..

personally, I think they'll be much better but still not great

on the edge of making and hopefully do make the playoff

so somewhere in between those two

[Kevin]

personally, I think they'll be much better but still not great

on the edge of making and hopefully do make the playoff

so somewhere in between those two

They did do this at the right time I'd have to agree...

I don't think either of the 2 "top" AL East teams are great and the Yanks and Sox are a mess right now..

If there was ever a time to take a shot this was..

[spoon]

The Yankees need to realize that spending a ton of money has not ever and will never work...

Yankees have 1 title in the lets say 13 years since they started spending.

They need to do what the Yankees did before the 96-00 run.

Suck for a while and rebuild.

Yankees did not win spending, Dodgers, Angels other won't.

Trade Cano for a bunch of prospects.

Get someone who can actually fucking draft and for the love of creation get a medical staff that can handle young pitchers.

Don't give me this NY won't stand for losing seasons nonsense. Giants have, Knicks lost for ages, and are about to enter its 40th title-less year Rangers went 54 fucking years.

Yankees even went a decade and a half without one.

first off, spending DID in fact help a ton with the regular season dominance and all those pennants

after that, it's more a crapshoot and big money players aren't necessarily big game performers...so it's a catch 22 and I'll take getting there year in and year out for the simple shot at it. also, other teams have done it like the Marlins twice and let's be honest Boston too. money sure as shit heightens your odds a ton, just less in certain divisions and the AL is my guess simply bc some top spending teams have always been there...sure the mets and phils spend in the NL, but this is changing with LA of late

finally, I won't give you that bc I never said it or believed it. in all honesty, it might knock off some bullshit fans and set better expectations for the team over time

[spoon]

They did do this at the right time I'd have to agree...

I don't think either of the 2 "top" AL East teams are great and the Yanks and Sox are a mess right now..

If there was ever a time to take a shot this was..

and you know they'll be PLENTY motivated to beat the Sox being they all but took Farrell from them

rumor has it that the players are actually happy with this, as he wasn't all that popular in the clubhouse or well respected as a coach

for a former pitching coach, he was FUCKING AWFUL managing our arms, bullpen and just overall with that side of the game

the Jays probably have much more hate right now for the Sox than the Yanks...yet the Rays are very dangerous and can't be forgotten, just as the O's have a VERY solid lineup coming of age now too. Might be a bird war at the top, with the Rays falling off a bit...yanks sox fall continues? I guess the sox have to rebound some right?

[Kevin]

first off, spending DID in fact help a ton with the regular season dominance and all those pennants

after that, it's more a crapshoot and big money players aren't necessarily big game performers...so it's a catch 22 and I'll take getting there year in and year out for the simple shot at it. also, other teams have done it like the Marlins twice and let's be honest Boston too. money sure as shit heightens your odds a ton, just less in certain divisions and the AL is my guess simply bc some top spending teams have always been there...sure the mets and phils spend in the NL, but this is changing with LA of late

finally, I won't give you that bc I never said it or believed it. in all honesty, it might knock off some bullshit fans and set better expectations for the team over time

I did not mean you said it, I mean its the prevailing thought of fans in NY and outside of NY when they look at NY teams.

[razorboy]

boooooo!

yet I might even sign up for that if it meant the Jays get the WC!

almost my dream order

Jays
Rays
O's
Sox
Yanks

I see the Rays and Jays occupying the top two spots, I think it's pretty close between the two. I have a hard time seeing the Orioles repeating their success from last year though. Their record in one run and extra innings games was mind-boggling and completely unrepeatable. Certainly a large part of the success was based on a great bullpen year for them, but bullpen success is notoriously volatile. Winning 93 while being only seven in the black in run differential is phenomenal, but unless the rest of the team takes a huge step forward and the pen stays in the same general neighborhood as last season I think the O's could experience a pretty precipitous drop.

[spoon]

ok, got it

confused me

[Kevin]

The biggest downfall to the Yankees is that shrine of greed and pompousness that is the new stadium..

#1 The seats will never be fully sold out because they were delusional enough to think people will pay anywhere near the price they want for a reg season baseball game. They will not make nearly the same revenue they made in the old place.

#2 It was so poorly designed with RF, combined with the length and wind makes it a joke.

Hitters will never use the entire field or take pitches because they will swing for right field. Getting what you have now. Low avg, low on base #s high Hrs from any hitter you get, which translates to very little success come playoff time because you have to manufacture runs in the playoffs with pitching being in another level.

You can't really develop any pitchers because their confidence in their pitching and pitches will be shot because even though they made a real good pitch, it goes out in that joke of a park.

Aces or even #2s are becoming harder and harder to get because teams are locking them up. So unless you develop them yourself, the chances of you getting one is slim or if you do, your farm is bare because of what you had to give up.

Felix is already gone, If the Rays can't sign Price, he will be unloaded for Prospects, which the Yankees don't have many of. Verlander is not sniffing FA...

Yankees are just a mess right now in every way.

[A.J.]

Are the Sox a mess? No.

Mediocre and playing in a suddenly balanced division? Yes.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

A Rod tests negative for PED.


Looks like someone else is having hip surgery but not a Yankee


http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/rod_gaga_joined_at_hips_goVHSvozbwTfT4okYgJxVP?utm _medium=rss&utm_content=Page%20Six

[spoon]

The biggest downfall to the Yankees is that shrine of greed and pompousness that is the new stadium..

#1 The seats will never be fully sold out because they were delusional enough to think people will pay anywhere near the price they want for a reg season baseball game. They will not make nearly the same revenue they made in the old place.

#2 It was so poorly designed with RF, combined with the length and wind makes it a joke.

Hitters will never use the entire field or take pitches because they will swing for right field. Getting what you have now. Low avg, low on base #s high Hrs from any hitter you get, which translates to very little success come playoff time because you have to manufacture runs in the playoffs with pitching being in another level.

You can't really develop any pitchers because their confidence in their pitching and pitches will be shot because even though they made a real good pitch, it goes out in that joke of a park.

Aces or even #2s are becoming harder and harder to get because teams are locking them up. So unless you develop them yourself, the chances of you getting one is slim or if you do, your farm is bare because of what you had to give up.

Felix is already gone, If the Rays can't sign Price, he will be unloaded for Prospects, which the Yankees don't have many of. Verlander is not sniffing FA...

Yankees are just a mess right now in every way.

not sure on overall rev for the yanks now versus the old stadium, yet I'm quite sure they locked in some new major cash with corp sponsorship on the new stadium, the new boxes that were hardly available in the old digs and so much more. my guess is they are still making mad cash there, probably more even in a down economy where things like sports and entertainment are usually the first to take a hit.

next, aces and top flight pitchers were NEVER easy to come by...NY just had the money to line a few up and plenty come on the market every trade deadline but as you said you need prospects, much less be willing to move them. Two things the yankees simply haven't had or even done with what they do have for whatever reason. The killer b's and a few others like Montero were hot commodities many times over the last few, but the yanks pretty much said no until the M's deal. I still think that guy will be at least a #2 in the end with electric stuff once back. You fleeced the M's in my mind bc Montero can't really play C or 1B and isn't nearly the hitter they thought he was especially there in a huge park, no right field short porch and that lineup to help protect him to see decent pitches.

[spoon]

A Rod tests negative for PED.



huh?

[KnoxHarrington]

Speaking of A-Rod, I highly recommend this piece on him, charting his path from being seen as the future of baseball to hated pariah.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/50877666/ns/sports-baseball//

[spoon]

One former girlfriend said that Rodriguez had a painting over his bed of himself as a centaur, something Rodriguez denied (unquestionably one of the oddest denials in baseball history).

ha

Pepper-Rod

A-Hicks

[WRESTLINGFAN]

huh?

The test that MLB gives out. No banned substances in his system. Heard it on Newsradio 880 during the sports report

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Granderson out 10 weeks . HBP results in fractured forearm

[A.J.]

Speaking of A-Rod, I highly recommend this piece on him, charting his path from being seen as the future of baseball to hated pariah.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/50877666/ns/sports-baseball//

"The first step in the fall was the money." That is absolutely true. For me, ARod lost all credibility when he signed that contract with Texas. I will never forget that interview he did with 60 Minutes after he signed that deal when he said he came to Texas to win, not to get paid. I remember thinking how completely full of shit he was. And history proved it: he got paid well, padded his numbers and never won a damn thing when he was there.

[cougarjake13]

Felix is already gone, If the Rays can't sign Price, he will be unloaded for Prospects, which the Yankees don't have many of. Verlander is not sniffing FA...

Yankees are just a mess right now in every way.


price is rays property til 2015 so they still got time and he not be traded anytime soon
plus he's already said he wouldn't play for yanks or resign if traded to


things change though

[spoon]

The test that MLB gives out. No banned substances in his system. Heard it on Newsradio 880 during the sports report

well yah, does anyone actually trust MLB even now is good with testing...or the tour'de'france...or the olympics...basically how can we trust MLB most of all, we can only hope it's keeps getting better/cleaner

[spoon]

"The first step in the fall was the money." That is absolutely true. For me, ARod lost all credibility when he signed that contract with Texas. I will never forget that interview he did with 60 Minutes after he signed that deal when he said he came to Texas to win, not to get paid. I remember thinking how completely full of shit he was. And history proved it: he got paid well, padded his numbers and never won a damn thing when he was there.

well they had no money left after his contract and their pitching was ATROCIOUS

hardly his fault on the field, but the indirect consequences surely were a part of it

Hicks sucked too

[A.J.]

well they had no money left after his contract and their pitching was ATROCIOUS

hardly his fault on the field, but the indirect consequences surely were a part of it

Hicks sucked too

Which is part of my point. He could have gone to another team that was a contender. He chose to go to an ATM.

[razorboy]

Which is part of my point. He could have gone to another team that was a contender. He chose to go to an ATM.

I hate to sound like I'm defending Rodriguez, but I imagine a lot of other twenty-five year olds would have gone for the biggest money grab too.

[A.J.]

I hate to sound like I'm defending Rodriguez, but I imagine a lot of other twenty-five year olds would have gone for the biggest money grab too.

And I hate to sound like I'm defending LeBron James but at least he admitted he had to leave Cleveland to win a title.

I understand that great players want to get paid great salaries. They're businessmen as well as athletes. But ARod specifically claimed that he wanted to win a championship in Texas, not just get paid a lot of money.

[hanso]

Granderson out 10 weeks . HBP results in fractured forearm

The Grandyman can't! (do shit for 10 weeks)

[spoon]

The Grandyman can't! (do shit for 10 weeks)

blue jays already fucking up the yanks this year!

[cougarjake13]

blue jays already fucking up the yanks this year!



haha


I may just have to trek on over to dunedin and check these jays out

[spoon]

haha


I may just have to trek on over to dunedin and check these jays out

how far is that from orlando?

I'll be there this week for work, but I think it may be pretty far.

[hanso]

blue jays already fucking up the yanks this year!

happenstance

[spoon]

Ja ys!

[razorboy]

how far is that from orlando?

I'll be there this week for work, but I think it may be pretty far.

It depends on where in Orlando you are. Figure about two hours on an average day.

[spoon]

Peabody.

[razorboy]

Peabody.

If you're coming from the I-Drive area you could theoretically knock twenty or twenty-five minutes off, but I-4 traffic around there can be a bitch, so it just depends on what it looks like that day. If the Jays are playing at the Tigers or Braves it would obviously be less of a trek.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Cashman to Damon. Thanks but no thanks.

[cougarjake13]

how far is that from orlando?

I'll be there this week for work, but I think it may be pretty far.


give a take the traffic right around an hour to hour and half

[zildjian361]

YANKEES will Win the East Again .

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Just when you think it can't get any worse.


http://tracking.si.com/2013/02/26/alex-rodriguez-charity-foundation-yankees/

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Cashman thinks he's a Ranger


http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/9015136/new-york-yankees-general-manager-brian-cashman-broke-ankle-skydiving

[A.J.]

Cashman thinks he's a Ranger


http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/9015136/new-york-yankees-general-manager-brian-cashman-broke-ankle-skydiving

That probably hurt less than his divorce settlement. Hiiiiii-yo!

[Jujubees2]

That probably hurt less than his divorce settlement. Hiiiiii-yo!

Cashman thinks he's a Ranger


http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/9015136/new-york-yankees-general-manager-brian-cashman-broke-ankle-skydiving

Heard he didn't plan to sky dive. He was just trying to get away from Louise Meanwell

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1019674.1328772829!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_200/neathway.jpg

[spoon]

That probably hurt less than his divorce settlement. Hiiiiii-yo!

But, he added, "I would say it's harder probably to be GM of the Yankees than jump out of an airplane.''

nice work cashman

soooo tough

[zildjian361]

Yankees snake bit Ya think? :wallbash:

[spoon]

ahhhhh pooooor yankees

paLEASE

[cougarjake13]

YANKEES will Win the East Again .



in 6 years

[spoon]

in 6 years

your keyboard to God's eyes my friend

I'd so sign up for that and we'd see yankee fandom drop by 75% in the first year. Waaaa!

[cougarjake13]

your keyboard to God's eyes my friend

I'd so sign up for that and we'd see yankee fandom drop by 75% in the first year. Waaaa!




I'll never forget how many met fans I literally saw turn into Yankee fans in 96
people I've known for years as mets fans all of sudden wearing Yankee colors

[spoon]

it takes a true fan to stick with the Jays these past 20!

time for this stock to soar...please :unsure:

[cougarjake13]

I'd have to say with the lineup as is they suld be in line for at least a wildcard spot if not more

[Section 8]

Yankee fan born and raised here.

I believe the Yankees will do okay, but I don't see them making it anywhere within the next 2-3 seasons. They are too old, not enough talent coming up in the farm system and they're trying to get below the luxury tax threshold.

The Orioles should maintain being a solid team as long as Showalter stays in management.
The Blue Jays, in my opinion, should either take the division or take a wildcard spot.
The Rays are still solid, even with the players lost to free agency.

The AL East is always entertaining and this season should be the most competitive in the last 15-20 years. Looking forward to it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Teixiera scratched from WBC . Wrist injury

[A.J.]

And that is why I hate the WBC. Someone always gets hurt.

[Jujubees2]

And that is why I hate the WBC. Someone always gets hurt.

What do you expect when you get two guys punching each other

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1266318.1361083679!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/timsmith17s-2-web.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Dolan made some references that he has a better chance of playing for the Yankees then being elected pope.


Since there are some open spots due to injuries, after the conclave he should head to Tampa and field some grounders and take Batting practice.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Rivera to announce this weekend 2013 is his final year.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Kudos to Chipper Jones for telling the Yankees no!!!!

[cougarjake13]

Kudos to Chipper Jones for telling the Yankees no!!!!



I believed him when he said he wanted to retire as a brave
the only team he's known


and not for nothing he has a better shot at winning something with Atlanta this year then the yankees

[razorboy]

I've always hated Jones and his stupid face but I'm glad he rebuffed Cashman.

[Kevin]

How far the mighty have fallen..

Get turned down by retired fat people...

[spoon]

How far the mighty have fallen..

Get turned down by retired fat people...

you guys have fat covered with Joba and CC

[Kevin]

you guys have fat covered with Joba and CC

Thats why its even sadder!

[A.J.]

Kudos to Chipper Jones for telling the Yankees no!!!!

You still have a shot at Derrek Lee!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Scott Rolen too

[cougarjake13]

they'll sign both

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Not looking good for Jeter. He might miss opening day.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yanks close to getting Vernon Wells

No details but LAA picking up most of the freight

[razorboy]

If reports are true the Yankees will cover $13 MM over the last two years of the deal. Wells is borderline useless at this point and even $6.5 MM is an obscene overpayment. Moreno and Dipoto are probably rolling on the floor laughing.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm surprised the Yanks didn't make a move to get Soriano. I'm sure Theo wants to move him

[Kevin]

If reports are true the Yankees will cover $13 MM over the last two years of the deal. Wells is borderline useless at this point and even $6.5 MM is an obscene overpayment. Moreno and Dipoto are probably rolling on the floor laughing.

They will be crying when they find out Pujols is really 39 and they find Hamilton coked out in some hotel room

[WRESTLINGFAN]

They will be crying when they find out Pujols is really 39 and they find Hamilton coked out in some hotel room



which one of them will be wearing pinstripes??

[spoon]

Coke helps hamilton's game.

[cougarjake13]

which one of them will be wearing pinstripes??



both eventually

[spoon]

Once they turn 38. It like some fucked up version of primae noctis for the mlb-selig, nyy and all aging stars.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Richard Justice of mlb.com: The Yankees will have more salary on the disabled list entering the season than 12 teams spent on their entire rosters last year.

[zildjian361]

Vernon wells quick fix?

[brettmojo]

Vernon wells quick fix?

it's like fixing a mud hut with a shit smear.

[cougarjake13]

Richard Justice of mlb.com: The Yankees will have more salary on the disabled list entering the season than 12 teams spent on their entire rosters last year.



ssshhh

don't tell spoon

[spoon]

Always a huge argument of mine, as some teams not only pay their active team a shit load more than others, the same can be said for their injury lists they cover up with more money and expensive minor league teams laden with international prospects at top dollar.

[cougarjake13]

well don't worry as this year they'll be lucky to fight off bahstin for the cellar

[Kevin]

well don't worry as this year they'll be lucky to fight off bahstin for the cellar

Bahstin Booger is in the basement?

[cougarjake13]

Bahstin Booger is in the basement?


yup with the Brooklyn brawler

[spoon]

ok, this keeps getting better!

From Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe earlier today:
The Yankees may need a lefthanded compliment to Juan Rivera at first base. Yankee scouts have been watching Overbay closely.

[spoon]

The yanks may be reassembling a past Jays team that even in their prime sucked balls!

Go spanks!

[spoon]

hurry up and tell Frank Catalanotto and Troy Gluas to keep their phones in hand!

a yankee deal may be on the way!

[A.J.]

ok, this keeps getting better!

From Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe earlier today:
The Yankees may need a lefthanded compliment to Juan Rivera at first base. Yankee scouts have been watching Overbay closely.

Maybe the Sox will let Overbay go for some of those stud Yankee prospects!

Oh............Right.

[Kevin]

It would be hilarious if some how they win with them and your team finished 4th again.

Won't happen but it would be funny and fall right in line with your sports luck

[A.J.]

It's a tough division this year. The Sox finishing 4th is very possible.

[spoon]

It's a tough division this year. The Sox finishing 4th is very possible.

in truth, any team could finish 4th in this division

and i think kev was talking to me AJ

that short porch for both of them will help their power numbers some, but I'm sure the rest won't have as drastic an upturn.

yet Wells is said to be in the best shape in YEARS after his dismal end to last season motivation to be relevant again...he was something like .218 bad in the second half but surely will bounce back merely by going to NY, much less the hitting park they live in

[A.J.]

and i think kev was talking to me AJ

Ah.

[brettmojo]

The @Yankees sign 1B Lyle Overbay to Minor League contract...

Fantastic... Where's Mickey Tettleton or Rex Hudler when you need them?

[cougarjake13]

The @Yankees sign 1B Lyle Overbay to Minor League contract...

Fantastic... Where's Mickey Tettleton or Rex Hudler when you need them?



they're waiting to hear back from carney lansford first

[spoon]

they're waiting to hear back from carney lansford first

you sillies...those guys don't have a call coming unless they sucked money from the Jays for a while

seriously, Hillenbrand, Glaus and Frankie Cats better be near their phones!

[cougarjake13]

well then Alex rios or Eric Hinske suld be on stand by

[Kevin]

Where the hell is BJ RYAN!

We need a set up guy!!!

[spoon]

Where the hell is BJ RYAN!

We need a set up guy!!!

set up for what? a loss?

[cougarjake13]

well I'm sure Miguel Batista would love to get a call

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yanks would be better off signing Dave Batista

[A.J.]

Or Dave Stieb.

[Jujubees2]

Or Dave Stieb.

Or Rusty Staub

[razorboy]

Hughes will be on the DL to start the season. I hear Jim Bunning is available.

[Kevin]

Hughes will be on the DL to start the season. I hear Jim Bunning is available.

Dave Stewart

David Cone?

[cougarjake13]

jack McDowell

[spoon]

Dave Stewart

David Cone?

ha!

Jimmy Key again?

Jim Clancy

[spoon]

try mike sirotka

always a great move!

:wallbash:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yanks beat Cowboys

http://m.nydailynews.com/1.1301046

They've spent about that much in payroll since 2002 and only 1 WS win

[Jujubees2]

Hughes will be on the DL to start the season. I hear Jim Bunning is available.

How about Jim Bouton? Need another installment of Ball Four!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

They should sign Sparky Lyle to beef up the bullpen

Mel Stottlemyre was a starter, put him in the rotation

[spoon]

me thinks some are missing the core joke

good stuff wf! you fucking idiot

[brettmojo]

I hope Ted Lilly is near his phone.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

me thinks some are missing the core joke

good stuff wf! you fucking idiot

The core joke is you.

[spoon]

abooo

you're so awful

[Kevin]

RAUL MONDESI!!!

Oh wait, did that already...

[Kevin]

Ricky says Ricky would make a great addition to this fine team.

[spoon]

Ha! Hendo the great!

[Kevin]

Maybe they can get Roberto Alomar to give Arod Aids...

That is one way to get out of the contract...

[spoon]

Maybe they can get Roberto Alomar to give Arod Aids...

That is one way to get out of the contract...


First off, awful.

Second, contract would stand. Mlbpa gives up nothing, much less based on injury or health. The ONLY thing I think they might back down from would be breach of contract/fraud linked to hgh/peds and said contract being based on lies and cheating. And to be honest, if it hasn't even been attempted yet, it isn't happening.

[Kevin]

First off, awful.

Second, contract would stand. Mlbpa gives up nothing, much less based on injury or health. The ONLY thing I think they might back down from would be breach of contract/fraud linked to hgh/peds and said contract being based on lies and cheating. And to be honest, if it hasn't even been attempted yet, it isn't happening.

But if he dies, they don't have to pay him, no?

[spoon]

Still no.

Plus with azt, protease inhibitors and more as drug cocktails, patients now live quite long somewhat normal lives now.

That contract is big but hardly stopping ny from doing anything they want.

[zildjian361]

Niggas be hatin:drunk::thumbdown:

[cougarjake13]

Niggas be hatin:drunk::thumbdown:



indeed

[spoon]

Niggas be hatin:drunk::thumbdown:

always confusing

[WRESTLINGFAN]

4-0 Sox .

It's only the 3rd. No time to panic

[razorboy]

Sabathia looks like shit.

[spoon]

How about now shithead!?

[spoon]

Nice start joba! Two outs, two Ks! Flames!

Ha!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Opening day has not been kind to C C

http://mlb.si.com/2013/04/01/cc-sabathia-new-york-yankees-opening-day/

[Kevin]

WF POST FROM THE FUTURE... PAST ..

4-3-2013
Wrestling fan wrote.

Yankees lose the opener 8-2

[A.J.]

Nice start joba! Two outs, two Ks! Flames!

Ha!

Even better 'stache. What the hell is that thing?

[spoon]

Even better 'stache. What the hell is that thing?

that's his trampoline topper!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yanks are back baby!!! They beat Verlander

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Cano is playing like he wants a Pujols contract. Makes him actually more attractive to trade


I know Mo is retiring and it's unknown about Jeter returning next year and they need a new face of the franchise but if they can get a #2 starter and some good prospects make that trade, but unfortunately Cashman will do almost anything to keep him

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Nice triple play against the O's tonight

[brettmojo]

Don't ya' know? Pay the man.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Jeter to miss entire 1st half

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/18/derek-jeter-makes-unscheduled-trip-to-see-ankle-surgeon/

[WRESTLINGFAN]

A writer at espn wants Joba traded over this past weekends friction btwn Joba and Mo

http://m.espn.go.com/general/story?storyId=9267867&city=newyork

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yanks face Dickey Sunday, even I'd they lose they beat the Jays in another series.


Kuroda has been money so far !!!!

[brettmojo]

Jeter to miss entire 1st half

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/18/derek-jeter-makes-unscheduled-trip-to-see-ankle-surgeon/

Meh... At least we have Curtis. I mean kkkkkkkurtis.

[brettmojo]

15 years ago yesterday... Never forget.

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[Jujubees2]

15 years ago yesterday... Never forget.

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Someone must have told Strawberry that there was blow on the Baltimore bench.

[brettmojo]

Someone must have told Strawberry that there was blow on the Baltimore bench.

I like Grahme Lloyd swinging at Benetiz like he's full of candy.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Granderson back on DL

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yanks swept by Mets, They beat Lester, Mets lose to Miami


Strange week

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Thankfully tomorrow is a night game

Yanks tied with A's 2-2 in 18th inning

[WRESTLINGFAN]

And they're swept by Oakland

[spoon]

nice work Oakland

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Youklis on DL again

[foodcourtdruide]

You mean Vernon Wells won't hit .400??? That's a shocker. This is the first time I ever watched baseball and I didn't realize even bad players sometimes have an explosive month or two. Yankees are returning to the overpaid mediocrity that their roster currently is.

Anyone still think Cashmen should get executive of the year? I mean.. it took a lot of baseball knowledge to sign Youkillis, the guy has an OPS+ of 78 and he's going on the DL for a second time and it's only June.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Cashman should have been gone years ago. I don't know why he's regarded as a great GM

He became GM at the right time after Watson and Michaels put the team back to being contenders

Cashman should be putting Cano up to a trade but knowing how the front office operates they will probably cave in and he will be the next $ 200,000,000 player

Wells was never a marquee player, I'm glad the Angels picked up some of his remaining salary

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Tex re injures wrist. No decision yet if he will go back on DL

[spoon]

cashman did what he always does, added salary and much better players versus having to tap the kids in the system MUCH MUCH MORE...many international free agents at a price there too

most teams don't have a few million here and there just to pick up the Wells/Youks of the world ON TOP of HUGE contracts to fill holes as they come up

sorry, all he does is spend money based on what's available

sure those guys were solid early, they're old and hit walls mid-season as they have...yet if the starters DID come back, it would have/could be a huge pick up for even old starters. yet now, I fear Tex pulled a Bautista re-injuring the wrist and will be out for the year now too.

[spoon]

oh and how was the gold glove CF with a very solid arm, putting up around 30 hrs, 100 rbis and hitting around .300 never a marque player?

and only the angels were dumb enough to take on that Wells contract so late in his career (thanks LA), but for the yanks it was still plenty worth it...angels too for some relief as they have much better options in the OF out there.

[spoon]

Buehrle has turned his season around after a slow start to the year. He has six quality starts over his past seven outings while posting a 2.54 ERA. That has lowered his ERA to 4.66, which is a far cry from the 7.02 mark it was in early May.

sup kev?

and yah, my main point was he'll end up in that 12 win +/- 2 range and put up a whole lot of innings as he's a bulldog workhorse...well guess what, you're wrong again

sure he'll lose and you'll point the one offs as a victory, but yah, nice work

Jays climbing, yanks free falling...still just mid-June, but at least it isn't fucking the beginning of May after two starts and a whole lot of mouth.

fucking rotation is still decimated over here...WANG pitching for the SECOND time for the Jays and it's pathetic to be digging this deep. there is surely something off with the Jay's luck in terms of starting pitching. Every year they lose half their starting staff and those not gone for the year are in and out and battling injuries. On top of this, the infield has NOT had one game together yet (Lawrie, Reyes, Lind). Izturis, Bonifacio and DeRosa...not good.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Wells had a few seasons in which he hit 300 hit 30 HR and drove in 100

He wasn't to put those consistent seasons together like Miguel Cabrera does every year.
In 2011 Wells made 26 million. He gets booed at Rogers Centre because he didn't live up to his contract

It was before my time but the Yankees are like those teams of the mid 1960's. An old and tired team.


I see Pujols as the next A Rod, since 2009 his OPS has gone down every year.
Hamilton is struggling, it's only his 1st year but his contract is backloaded and at year 4 and 5 he will be making 32 mill

[spoon]

Wells had a few seasons in which he hit 300 hit 30 HR and drove in 100

He wasn't to put those consistent seasons together like Miguel Cabrera does every year.
In 2011 Wells made 26 million. He gets booed at Rogers Centre because he didn't live up to his contract

It was before my time but the Yankees are like those teams of the mid 1960's. An old and tired team.


I see Pujols as the next A Rod, since 2009 his OPS has gone down every year.
Hamilton is struggling, it's only his 1st year but his contract is backloaded and at year 4 and 5 he will be making 32 mill

yes, wells did not live up to THAT contract by slipping early and getting old later as the contract was not smart in the end

still doesn't make your point right

[WRESTLINGFAN]

CC had a 6-0 lead into the 9th

Bullpen almost blew the game but they avoided the sweep


Next series back to NY vs Dodgers. Yanks facing LA for 1st time since Mattingly has been mgr.

[cougarjake13]

CC had a 6-0 lead into the 9th

Bullpen almost blew the game but they avoided the sweep


Next series back to NY vs Dodgers. Yanks facing LA for 1st time since Mattingly has been mgr.


last time too since mattinglys been rumored to be fired

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Youklis to have surgery on herniated disc

[A.J.]

It's official: Youk is now a true Yankee.

[Jujubees2]

Alex Rodriguez called Anthony Bosch while Yankees faced Tigers in 2012 ALCS: report (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/report-a-rod-called-bosch-alcs-article-1.1376388#ixzz2WfaeSV4P)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

How is that possible? He was flirting with women in the crowd during the LCS

[zildjian361]

Youklis to have surgery on herniated disc

Yanks waste another 12mil on this a hole.:furious:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Kuroda has been the most solid starter this year. He should have at least 10 wins

[WRESTLINGFAN]

And another awful Hughes outing and it's only the top of 1st

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Cashman heated that A Rod said that he's ready to rehab

According to ESPN he said Alex should shut the fuck up.

[spoon]

Cash is still pissed off that Arod and Boras fleeced his ass. Yet ARod plus twitter is NOT a good idea in any way.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Cashman issues apology.

He should apologize for a lot of these signings

[hanso]

Japan wants A-rod, would they use the a-bomb call if he went there?

[spoon]

Cashman issues apology.

He should apologize for a lot of these signings

Good one.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Tex Shut down

Having season ending surgery.

Oh no who will be the 1st baseman to hit .200 in October. That's if they make it

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Way to go Yankees. 3 runs in 3 games and will lose another series

A Rod is supposed to meet with MLB on Friday

[spoon]

A oKC to me!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Oklahoma City ?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yanks seriously considering to trade Joba and Hughes according to Ken Rosenthal

[spoon]

Yanks seriously considering to trade Joba and Hughes according to Ken Rosenthal

and their return will be three aces!

am i right BDC!?


hahahahahahahaahahahaha!!!!

ALL THREE ACES will be no longers...ACES!

[spoon]

perhaps the take will be a flaming bag of poop...bc they're trading a few nice pieces of shit in the first place!

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

The talk is Philly for Joba

[spoon]

maybe they need a new supply of shit to toss at mascots and the other team

joba fits the bill!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

They should also be focused on trading Cano.

[spoon]

they should trade their "fans"

[A.J.]

The talk is Philly for Joba

And a trampoline to be named later?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

they should trade their bandwagon "fans"



fixed

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Throw in some Geno's and we'll make a trade

[spoon]

fixed

which is 99% of them, including you

[WRESTLINGFAN]

which is 99% of them, including you



Wrong !!!!!!

Thanks for showing ignorance again......

I didn't start to become a fan in 1995

[spoon]

yah, I know, it was 77/78

[spoon]

or perhaps 96

95's team were losers! they bums didn't even finish the prior season bc the pressure got to them!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Bandwagon hoppers weren't at games in the mid 80's to early 90's when the upper deck was a sea of empty blue seats

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The guy who caught Jeters 3000th hit reminds me of a fair weather fan.


To this day I don't know why he gave the ball back to him

[spoon]

random :wacko:

[newport king]

They should also be focused on trading Cano.


What team would want to take him in his contract year when his asking price is going to be in the 20MM range?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What team would want to take him in his contract year when his asking price is going to be in the 20MM range?



If the Yankees lose him to free agency then what? Will they get draft picks?

He's not a Miguel Cabrera type player who can be consistent all year. I know all these contract rumors are from blogs but the Yanks would be making the same mistake by giving him something in the 200 million range over 8 or 10 years

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Jeter leaves game in 8th

Will be getting an MRI for quadricep muscle

[cougarjake13]

he's off the juice

[hanso]

Jeter leaves game in 8th

Will be getting an MRI for quadricep muscle

Coach says he plays today

[A.J.]

Coach says he plays today

Thanks God for his updates.

http://astheworldturnsleft.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Coachman_Jonathan_cropped.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Jeter out until after AS Game

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Jeter back on the DL

[WRESTLINGFAN]

A Rod may not be activated Monday. On his way to NY for MRI

[hanso]

Have to root for yanks tonight to help my fantasy team- yuck

dumpster is pitching, my opponent is playing him

[spoon]

A Rod may not be activated Monday. On his way to NY for MRI

can you say inside deal with MLB and he'll be out with a quiet suspension?

just a conspiracy thing I've heard tossed around...but we'll see if "anything" turns up on this MRI?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I wouldn't rule that out, I can see some hush money paid out by A Rod as well

[hanso]

He may as well go to Japan, they want him.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Soriano to Yankees looks like its happening. Theo to pay most of fraight

[hanso]

Soriano to Yankees looks like its happening. Theo to pay most of fraight

When was he on yanks before? like the new avatar wf

[WRESTLINGFAN]

When was he on yanks before? like the new avatar wf

Nothing beats Ham Rove

:thumbup:

[cougarjake13]

When was he on yanks before? like the new avatar wf


he was drafted by yanks and was part of arod trade

[Snoogans]

he was drafted by yanks and was part of arod trade

didnt he play 2nd base back then?

[brettmojo]

Sabathia is pure fucking garbage.

[spoon]

dickey pitching like, well, dick

[WRESTLINGFAN]

didnt he play 2nd base back then?



Yup, he was almost the hero in GM 7 of the 2001 WS

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Fatbathia is showing his usual 2nd half shit storm.



Kuroda should be making 24 million this year

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Looks like another trip to DL for Jeter.

I know this is his final year of his contract and he has a player option, I hope he doesn't become one of these players who sticks around just to play.

[cougarjake13]

didnt he play 2nd base back then?


yes

[spoon]

Looks like another trip to DL for Jeter.

I know this is his final year of his contract and he has a player option, I hope he doesn't become one of these players who sticks around just to play.



He is DEFINITELY taking that player option and not going out like this. He needs his Mariano retirement year of ego stroking.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

To Riveras credit he has dominated for over 15 years. Jeter has had some clutch moments and milestones like 3000 hits but he's not the greatest of all time at his position.

Jeter is a 1st ballot HoF inductee but he's not on a different level

[cougarjake13]

To Riveras credit he has dominated for over 15 years. Jeter has had some clutch moments and milestones like 3000 hits but he's not the greatest of all time at his position.

Jeter is a 1st ballot HoF inductee but he's not on a different level


is he though ? first ballot I'm talking about
yeh he has rings and over 3500 hits so he'll def get in

some of it also has to do with what year he's eligible and who else is too
I just don't think you can guarantee him as a lock for first ballot

[spoon]

Nah, he's a lock.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

is he though ? first ballot I'm talking about
yeh he has rings and over 3500 hits so he'll def get in

some of it also has to do with what year he's eligible and who else is too
I just don't think you can guarantee him as a lock for first ballot

He needs 75% of the ballot, He will get that with no problem.
There's no hint or allegation of PEDs so I believe 1st ballot is a lock

[cougarjake13]

He needs 75% of the ballot, He will get that with no problem.
There's no hint or allegation of PEDs so I believe 1st ballot is a lock


I wasn't even thinking of peds as a reason
he's most likely going to get in on first


but he's done nothing statistically that's great other then compile all the hits
he wasn't ever the best shortstop in his era
so he's going to get in for the rings and the jeter aura of being a Yankee ?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I wasn't even thinking of peds as a reason
he's most likely going to get in on first


but he's done nothing statistically that's great other then compile all the hits
he wasn't ever the best shortstop in his era
so he's going to get in for the rings and the jeter aura of being a Yankee ?


Agreed that he never won an MVP and wasn't a multi year batting title winner like Boggs or Gwynn. I think he will go in for the consistency and his post season numbers as well.
Also I believe that the some of the writers will use as a part of their reasoning that he wasn't involved in PEDs

[newport king]

Hes absolutely a 1st ballot HOFer. Overrated? Sure. He wasnt the best SS in the AL East (Nomar) and the second best SS on his team (Arod). But the guys name hasnt even been hinted at as far as PEDs go. And his post season #s are ridiculous.

[spoon]

Hes absolutely a 1st ballot HOFer. Overrated? Sure. He wasnt the best SS in the AL East (Nomar) and the second best SS on his team (Arod). But the guys name hasnt even been hinted at as far as PEDs go. And his post season #s are ridiculous.

as much as I hate PEDs, NOT being on them isn't enough to get even top level guys in

Jeter will get in bc he was perceived the best SS in the game by fans and some stupid writers for years. and to be honest, what he did last year alone was an impressive return to form, yet how much of that was the year prior being just that much off we'll never really know. He is FAR from ever being the best in the field, but as an all around hitter, it's tough to argue the guy did whatever was needed in almost any way. HR in a big spot, bam, bunt, sure...pitcher coming hard and impossible to turn on, single down the line the other way.

To me his most amazing attribute was his ability to go the other way against pitchers REALLY brining the heat and very sick pitches. He literally is like a great defensive martial artist in that he could use your strength against you and use what YOU give him. He's perhaps one of the best all-time, and yes I mean this, at going the other way with that awesome inside out swing in true golfer fashion. I fucking HATE Jeter mind you, but to ignore this and his longevity at a very high level for so long is just nuts. Tie in the yankee factor, that usually comes with great fanfare, notoriety, exposure and titles and you have yourself a fucking veritable perfect storm for fans and voters alike. Add to this he is the captain of a multiple WS winning team...yeah not all as the captain, but it didn't have to be since he's a part of many titles...all of this era, and how clutch he was in big moments even on the field (Giambi was fucking safe, but history will always say otherwise) and he's a first ballot asshole yankee in the HOF.

To this day I still believe he was always a TERRIBLE first step SS in the field, much like Reyes to be honest, but they can go get it after bc they are both very athletic. So in the end, he was never even a top level SS in the field to me, even though he wasn't necessarily bad, so his hitting made up for this in a huge way. He wasn't Posada bad in the field and added similar extra in the batter's box. On another team he's a grinder and gets in a few votes down the line, but here he's first ballot simply bc of his amount of playoff exposure, success and so much more he would not have had in other locations. Just another bs reason for players to want to play in huge markets with better exposure in this pos sport of late.

[newport king]

I dont disagree the it SHOULDNT get you in. Im saying it will. Guys in this era that are 100% clean with some holes in their game will be looked on favorably in comparison to the all time hr leader. Baseball writers talk to current HOFers and know their feelings towards these guys. Bill Madden was on Francesa saying none of these guys would ever get a single vote from him or any voters he knows. They feel like theyre "protecting the game".

That being said, Giambi was safe, he ran 5 more steps and launched himself into the stands after catching that ball and its easy to go the other way when youre diving across the plate on every pitch.

[spoon]

agree on all that

and heard madden too

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