Ron and Fez Listening Thread 7/15/13 - Go to Pieces

[realmenhatelife]

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So, how do you think Fez took it?

[LeedsJr]

So, how do you think Fez took it?


Yeah, gotta say that I am sadly NOT looking forward to today's show. :down:

[realmenhatelife]

It's either screaming Fez or crying Fez. Or actually probably screaming into crying fez.

[sailor]

It's either screaming Fez or crying Fez. Or actually probably screaming into crying fez.

What's not to love?!

[LeedsJr]

Did Pepper just say there are 27 letters in the alphabet? :huh:

Love Ron torturing Fez by talking about anything but Zimmerman. :laugh:

[realmenhatelife]

I gotta say that when Fez and Anthony would talk about it I was more apt to believe Anthony was more accurate in his trial opinion.


Fez has never been more disappointed in Florida? Has he not been paying attention?




And I have to say it again. When your big witness is up there, and she's being treated like a freak and an idiot, and she gets resentful because she knows shes being manipulated, there's gotta be a better way to extract the information she has then to have a prosecutor and defender try and position her in such a way that it strengthens their own case.

[Lemieux66]

If everyone just listened to Ant about these trials, nobody would have to be shocked and outraged. He knew Casey Anthony was getting off all along, now Zimmerman.

[A.J.]

And here comes the meltdown.....

Fez is ashamed of Florida/America because Zimmerman gets acquitted, yet he forgets how happy he was when Obama got re-elected.

[sailor]

Who did fez pick?

[realmenhatelife]

Who did fez pick?

Josh Freeman, QB for Tampa.

[sailor]

Yeah, I never heard they skipped a grand jury before this morning. I didn't even know that was possible.

[sailor]

Josh Freeman, QB for Tampa.

I can totally see that for him.

[realmenhatelife]

I watched Spring Breakers this weekend, so Fez and I were both disappointed by Florida.




There was an interesting graph on gawker that PBS commissioned about how much more likely white on black killings are to be ruled justifiable in stand your ground states.

[Misteriosa]

hey there buddays

[sailor]

I watched Spring Breakers this weekend, so Fez and I were both disappointed by Florida.




There was an interesting graph on gawker that PBS commissioned about how much more likely white on black killings are to be ruled justifiable in stand your ground states.

I would think that's more the nature of the types of crime, rather than some inherent bias.

On the other hand, if they're saying it's cases where they specifically try that defense it would appear they're on to something.

[realmenhatelife]

I can totally see that for him.

Fez loves fez rough fez trade.




I dont think people are going to forget, like Ron says. This fits in way to well with the national us vs them, 1% 99%, race/wealth disparity zeitgeist of this country right now. This trial is going to keep coming up until those other issues are calmed.

[hanso]

The planet HD 189733b is blue.

[LeedsJr]

hey there buddays

Well, hello stranger. :smile:

[LeedsJr]

I dont think people are going to forget, like Ron says. This fits in way to well with the national us vs them, 1% 99%, race/wealth disparity zeitgeist of this country right now. This trial is going to keep coming up until those other issues are calmed.


Yeah, I'm not buying that, either. People never forgot Bernie Getz.

[Warren Peace]

wow...this caller fired a shot across the bow at Fez.

[realmenhatelife]

I would think that's more the nature of the types of crime, rather than some inherent bias.

On the other hand, if they're saying it's cases where they specifically try that defense it would appear they're on to something.

I didn't read the analysis but I would think there's definite bias because it was a traditionally liberal institute that comissioned the report from a gun violence center. The base line was black on black and black on white murder VS white on black murder, the disparity between which was so huge it's hard to imagine lack of bias in the system. The point difference between non stand your ground states and stand your ground states was like 100% more likely (250 vs 350% more likely to get off).

[Misteriosa]

Well, hello stranger. :smile:

yeah.. ive been away for a bit. i went on a small vaca last week, so i had to do my work for the next month just to cover for it :dry:

[hanso]

When stand your ground comes to NYC lets see how fast that NY attitude falls by the wayside.

[realmenhatelife]

yeah.. ive been away for a bit. i went on a small vaca last week, so i had to do my work for the next month just to cover for it :dry:

You should've treated yourself and just had a months worth of work waiting for you when you got back.

[realmenhatelife]

You could always say that the state did not prosecute the case correctly because of their own bias, though. So you're never going to get away with it.

[Misteriosa]

You should've treated yourself and just had a months worth of work waiting for you when you got back.

perhaps. with all the work i did, now i only have a week's worth waiting for me.

[realmenhatelife]

Hey, good news everybody, Mockingjay just arrived at the library when I only have 20 pages left in Catching Fire.

[realmenhatelife]

perhaps. with all the work i did, now i only have a week's worth waiting for me.

It was nice of past misti to hook future misti up like that.

[LeedsJr]

I know Fez is nuts, but I understand where he's coming from here, even if he's going too far.

Basically, it is legally correct for a 30 year old, 200 lb, armed man with MMA training to reasonably fear for his life and use lethal force in a confrontation he initiated and escalated against an unarmed, 160 lb, 17 year old.

Something does seem wrong with that conclusion.

[hanso]

I know Fez is nuts, but I understand where he's coming from here, even if he's going too far.

Basically, it is legally correct for a 30 year old, 200 lb, armed man with MMA training to reasonably fear for his life and use lethal force in a confrontation he initiated and escalated against an unarmed, 160 lb, 17 year old.

Something does seem wrong with that conclusion.

zim said he was going in his pockets before he got punched (on video)
tray may have thought zim was going for a gun

[realmenhatelife]

I know Fez is nuts, but I understand where he's coming from here, even if he's going too far.

Basically, it is legally correct for a 30 year old, 200 lb, armed man with MMA training to reasonably fear for his life in a confrontation he initiated and escalated against an unarmed, 160 lb, 17 year old.

Something does seem wrong with that conclusion.

Is it a reasonable response to kill someone for whooping on you a bit? People have a difference of opinion here. Fez is pissed at the verdict, but he needs to be pissed at the law.

I think one of the big issues is I dont believe anyone believes Zimmerman thought his life was in danger. The law still allows him to shoot in self defense, though. Thats whats hard to reconcile.

[Misteriosa]

I know Fez is nuts, but I understand where he's coming from here, even if he's going too far.

Basically, it is legally correct for a 30 year old, 200 lb, armed man with MMA training to reasonably fear for his life and use lethal force in a confrontation he initiated and escalated against an unarmed, 160 lb, 17 year old.

Something does seem wrong with that conclusion.

This. thank you. And to add insult to injury, the police did not take him in to custody while things were sorted out. they took the story of "the black kid attacked me" at his word.

if any of you have been in sanford, fl (i have, as my sister used to live around there), the area is racially charged and has a loooong history of racial tension and racism. that is where the race angle that no one sees comes in. there is context and history here. people are either ignorant or being willfully blind to it.

[LeedsJr]

Is it a reasonable response to kill someone for whooping on you a bit? People have a difference of opinion here. Fez is pissed at the verdict, but he needs to be pissed at the law.

I think one of the big issues is I dont believe anyone believes Zimmerman thought his life was in danger. The law still allows him to shoot in self defense, though. Thats whats hard to reconcile.


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[Misteriosa]

Is it a reasonable response to kill someone for whooping on you a bit? People have a difference of opinion here. Fez is pissed at the verdict, but he needs to be pissed at the law.

I think one of the big issues is I dont believe anyone believes Zimmerman thought his life was in danger. The law still allows him to shoot in self defense, though. Thats whats hard to reconcile.

it basically takes the castle doctrine and allows you to take it with you. bullshit. its the wild fucking west. :wallbash: thanks a.l.e.c.

[Misteriosa]

meh.. front desk time. be back in a few.

[Lemieux66]

Of course Fez didn't listen to any jury instructions. He heard "gun" and came steamrolling onto the radio with a surefire, 100% accurate account of what happened.

At least in Ant's lunacy he's smart enough to acknowledge the parts of the story nobody but Zimmerman can know for sure.

[Recyclerz]

I know Fez is nuts, but I understand where he's coming from here, even if he's going too far.

Basically, it is legally correct for a 30 year old, 200 lb, armed man with MMA training to reasonably fear for his life and use lethal force in a confrontation he initiated and escalated against an unarmed, 160 lb, 17 year old.

Something does seem wrong with that conclusion.

The thing that annoys me the most is the assumption from the Zimmerman supporters is that the 2nd Amendment, in addition to the right to bear arms, confers some sort of police power on the gun owner. "Of course Zimmerman was just defending himself!" Well if that is true wasn't Trayvon also just defending himself from a potentially life-threatening situation? The attempts to turn the kid into a thug are really reprehensible.

That said the verdict was probably the correct one given Florida law and evidence presented. The caller separating the legal and moral conclusions here was on point.

[Misteriosa]

some kid broke in to the home? he fucking lived there!!!

[realmenhatelife]

it basically takes the castle doctrine and allows you to take it with you. bullshit. its the wild fucking west. :wallbash: thanks a.l.e.c.

Yeah thats where the pro zim self defense angle really seems fishy to me. Like, if conceal and carry is legal couldn't anyone be a lethal threat to you once their hand goes in their pocket? The less specific and the more inclusive the law is gives way too much power to the person with the weapon, meanwhile any kind of regulation on guns gets called prohibition by the gun lobby and people freak out.

[A.J.]

Ron: "I hope not." :laugh:

[Misteriosa]

ha so the caller is yelling about how zimmerman was not profiling and then gives the reason why zimmerman was right for profiling.

the cognitive dissonance is staggering.

[LeedsJr]

Yes, Ron, President Obama should deploy the national guard into the city of Chicago. That's just how the process works. :wacko:

[deliciousV]

I know Fez is nuts, but I understand where he's coming from here, even if he's going too far.

Basically, it is legally correct for a 30 year old, 200 lb, armed man with MMA training to reasonably fear for his life and use lethal force in a confrontation he initiated and escalated against an unarmed, 160 lb, 17 year old.

Something does seem wrong with that conclusion.

you and Fez are the only people who keep saying this, even the legal analyst on the most liberal of networks said there was no evidence as to who started it.

[LeedsJr]

Hoo boy, the funny is draining out of this conversation quick. Glad it's lunch time. :drunk:

[hanso]

The thing that annoys me the most is the assumption from the Zimmerman supporters is that the 2nd Amendment, in addition to the right to bear arms, confers some sort of police power on the gun owner. "Of course Zimmerman was just defending himself!" Well if that is true wasn't Trayvon also just defending himself from a potentially life-threatening situation? The attempts to turn the kid into a thug are really reprehensible.

That said the verdict was probably the correct one given Florida law and evidence presented. The caller separating the legal and moral conclusions here was on point.

Trayvon was made out to be the perp all along and was even charged with someting from the outcome of this trial.

[underdog]

you and Fez are the only people who keep saying this, even the legal analyst on the most liberal of networks said there was no evidence as to who started it.

He followed the kid. That seems like initiating a confrontation.

[LeedsJr]

you and Fez are the only people who keep saying this, even the legal analyst on the most liberal of networks said there was no evidence as to who started it.

He initiated the confrontation by following him. I find Rachel Jeantel's testimony about this more credible than Zimmerman's statements.

He escalated the confrontation by responding "What are you doing around here?" when Martin asked him, "What are you following me for?"

I believe Martin threw the first punch.

[realmenhatelife]

you and Fez are the only people who keep saying this, even the legal analyst on the most liberal of networks said there was no evidence as to who started it.

I think this depends on what you mean by 'started.' Does the confrontation start with physical contact, verbal contact, zimmerman tailing martin?

[A.J.]

I know Fez is nuts, but I understand where he's coming from here, even if he's going too far.

Basically, it is legally correct for a 30 year old, 200 lb, armed man with MMA training to reasonably fear for his life and use lethal force in a confrontation he initiated and escalated against an unarmed, 160 lb, 17 year old.

Something does seem wrong with that conclusion.

you and Fez are the only people who keep saying this, even the legal analyst on the most liberal of networks said there was no evidence as to who started it.

Zimmerman initiated it when he disobeyed the dispatcher's instruction and followed Martin. He should have just waited for the cops to get there.

[deliciousV]

He initiated the confrontation by following him. I find Rachel Jeantel's testimony about this more credible than Zimmerman's statements.

He escalated the confrontation by responding "What are you doing around here?" when Martin asked him, "What are you following me for?"

I believe Martin threw the first punch.

following is not illegal, following is not justification to break somebodies nose and get on top of them and start beating them. Getting on top of someone and beating them after breaking their nose is legal justification in Florida to use deadly force.
And nobody believed Rachel Jeantel, the defense was able to prove that she told one story to the lawyers, then changed it when she was sitting next to Trayvon Martins mother. But no matter who spoke first it matters who struck first

[deliciousV]

Zimmerman initiated it when he disobeyed the dispatcher's instruction and followed Martin. He should have just waited for the cops to get there.

how can you "disobey" a person who has absolutely no authority?

[Lemieux66]

The good news is that by next week at this time nobody will give a shit about this trial and outrage will be directed at the latest outrageous thing.

[LeedsJr]

following is not illegal, following is not justification to break somebodies nose and get on top of them and start beating them. Getting on top of someone and beating them after breaking their nose is legal justification in Florida to use deadly force.
And nobody believed Rachel Jeantel, the defense was able to prove that she told one story to the lawyers, then changed it when she was sitting next to Trayvon Martins mother. But no matter who spoke first it matters who struck first

Is it a reasonable response to kill someone for whooping on you a bit? People have a difference of opinion here. Fez is pissed at the verdict, but he needs to be pissed at the law.

I think one of the big issues is I dont believe anyone believes Zimmerman thought his life was in danger. The law still allows him to shoot in self defense, though. Thats whats hard to reconcile.

The thing that annoys me the most is the assumption from the Zimmerman supporters is that the 2nd Amendment, in addition to the right to bear arms, confers some sort of police power on the gun owner. "Of course Zimmerman was just defending himself!" Well if that is true wasn't Trayvon also just defending himself from a potentially life-threatening situation? The attempts to turn the kid into a thug are really reprehensible.

That said the verdict was probably the correct one given Florida law and evidence presented. The caller separating the legal and moral conclusions here was on point.

These guys already responded to your point the same way I would.

[A.J.]

how can you "disobey" a person who has absolutely no authority?

Fine: "ignored".

[underdog]

following is not illegal, following is not justification to break somebodies nose and get on top of them and start beating them. Getting on top of someone and beating them after breaking their nose is legal justification in Florida to use deadly force.
And nobody believed Rachel Jeantel, the defense was able to prove that she told one story to the lawyers, then changed it when she was sitting next to Trayvon Martins mother. But no matter who spoke first it matters who struck first

So take a beating and walk away.

[A.J.]

The good news is that by next week at this time nobody will give a shit about this trial and outrage will be directed at the latest outrageous thing.

I hope it's the Royal Baby!

[hanso]

He initiated the confrontation by following him. I find Rachel Jeantel's testimony about this more credible than Zimmerman's statements.

He escalated the confrontation by responding "What are you doing around here?" when Martin asked him, "What are you following me for?"

I believe Martin threw the first punch.

On the video Zim said he was reaching in his own pockets at this point.

[spoon]

Night court was better.

Get these trials off tv, it's a fucking zoo and these 24 hour "news" channels are like ambulance chasing lawyers.

[Misteriosa]

Zimmerman had a history of calling in "suspicious people" to the 911 and IIRC being told me that his services as a self appointed watchman were not necessary. That's why its not profiling.

[Lemieux66]

The idea of "profiling" has turned into an evil thing, when it isn't. We all do it every day, and a lot of the times it's not even a conscious action. Our brains do it automatically as a way of shorthand, to make it easier to process things we see.

(Yes, I watch Brain Games)

[spoon]

So take a beating and walk away.

Nah, I say old fashioned shootouts for any grievance...including walking while hoodied! We need more wild wild west lack of law and no more issues. Zimmerman was just "ahead" of his time.

Unreal stupidity i agree ud.

[deliciousV]

So take a beating and walk away.

how long do you take the beating? Do you let the person on top punch you until you are unconscious? What happens then?

[hanso]

how can you "disobey" a person who has absolutely no authority?

Why even call 911 if your not gonna follow what they say? Oh thats right zim called them about 300 times before so he had precedence

[realmenhatelife]

The idea of "profiling" has turned into an evil thing, when it isn't. We all do it every day, and a lot of the times it's not even a conscious action. Our brains do it automatically as a way of shorthand, to make it easier to process things we see.

(Yes, I watch Brain Games)

Except that profiling makes you ignore threats that dont fit with your profile and escalate situations that are benign.

You'll probably bump into the news report video on profiling in the next few days where they have a white kid and a black kid both suspiciously removing a bike that is locked to a post in a park. 100 people ignore the white kid sawing away on the chain with a hacksaw and the black kid has the cops called on him in 30 seconds.

[hanso]

I hope it's the Royal Baby!

born with two anuses

[realmenhatelife]

how long do you take the beating? Do you let the person on top punch you until you are unconscious? What happens then?

Doughboy should've thrown a punch back. He coudln't, which is why he had a gun. If he didn't have a gun he wouldn't have been following around black teenagers. The gun undeniably (to me) changed his behavior and the situation. To me that's irresponsible gun ownership.

[Misteriosa]

What?! It is the norm and most P.o.C.'s daily reality ! From little I was told to be careful around the cops.

[realmenhatelife]

Well he's not the biggest, I think he came in third.

[realmenhatelife]

Tims and Dickies, does Fez realize he's taking a shot at blacks after all his Trayvon stuff?

[realmenhatelife]

And my deadhead aunt loves Darkstar Orchestra. I'm pretty sure they played first fridays by my old house.

[realmenhatelife]

Bullshit on that sandpaper brisket.

[Recyclerz]

Bullshit on that sandpaper brisket.

The jury has spoken. Let it go.

[Recyclerz]

"Let him be. Never interrupt him when he is being an idiot."

:lol:

[realmenhatelife]

Tracy Chapman one of the biggest finds ever?

[Recyclerz]

My favorite pinball machine was the one that Opie smashed to take Al Dukes down a peg or two.

Edit: Look who is a radio psychic

[LeedsJr]

Doughboy should've thrown a punch back. He coudln't, which is why he had a gun. If he didn't have a gun he wouldn't have been following around black teenagers. The gun undeniably (to me) changed his behavior and the situation. To me that's irresponsible gun ownership.


I heartily agree, sir.

[realmenhatelife]

There's already a barcade in new York, and isn't there a pinball museum in hoboken ?

[jimmyolsenblues]

Wait did we go to a best of?
Really pinball machines?
How many times have we done this?

[hanso]

And my deadhead aunt loves Darkstar Orchestra. I'm pretty sure they played first fridays by my old house.

Turn her on to some Celtic Pink Floyd

[hanso]

My favorite pinball machine was the one that Opie smashed to take Al Dukes down a peg or two.

Edit: Look who is a radio psychic

"Igor hurt"


Thought one i liked/played a lot was Igor, but can't find it on google.It made quote " Igor hurt"

[LeedsJr]

Classic Shelb is the best. :lol:

[Lemieux66]

The fake pilot names actually making it on the news was goddamned hysterical.

[realmenhatelife]

Wait, I just got my headphones back on. Did Bah quit?

[sailor]

I don't see how the names are racist. It's joke names that just sound Asian. It's not mocking Asians or asian sounding names any more than stupid prank calls with names like mike hunt are mocking American/western sounding names.

[realmenhatelife]

I don't see how the names are racist. It's joke names that just sound Asian. It's not mocking Asians or asian sounding names any more than stupid prank calls with names like mike hunt are mocking American/western sounding names.

What were the names?

[Misteriosa]

What were the names?

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02616/fakenames_2616649i.jpg

[realmenhatelife]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02616/fakenames_2616649i.jpg

Thats stunning.

[Misteriosa]

my listening method has shit the bed.. back to mobile mode. :dry:

[sailor]

What were the names?

Sum ting Wong. Wi tu lo. Etc.

Funny had to search for the exact names and NBC news lists them as "Asian stereotype spellings of phrases like 'something wrong' and 'we too low' "

[A.J.]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02616/fakenames_2616649i.jpg

Who read these names on the air, Ron Burgandy?

[thepaulo]

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Race riots in St. Petersburg, Florida.

[underdog]

how long do you take the beating? Do you let the person on top punch you until you are unconscious? What happens then?

How many people die a year from being beaten up in the US? People keep acting like Zimmerman was in danger of dying from an ass kicking, but I think you have better odds winning the lottery than being beaten to death.

[underdog]

There's already a barcade in new York, and isn't there a pinball museum in hoboken ?

No pinball at Barcade.

[OGC]

I'm a couple of days behind in my listening but this point bothered me.

I like how Ron thouught it was rediculous to think that beatings don't stop nowadays because that's what we see on world star hip-hop, it's ok to think that in the old west all fights were honorable because that's the way it was in all of the cowboy movies.

[hanso]

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Race riots in St. Petersburg, Florida.

Found some good neil rogers stuff from this