View Full Version : Ron and Fez Listening Thread 11/5/13 - Grown Ups
realmenhatelife
11-05-2013, 06:21 AM
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Make a ginger's day (http://www.cafepress.com/robotartist)
We've got our top scientists working day and night to figure out a Ron and Fez (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=4)
Mistah O'neal if ya nasty (http://www.amazon.com/Mr-P-Patrice-ONeal/dp/B006G4PS9M/ref=sr_1_3?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1322671850&sr=1-3)
Order "Unreleased" - Out Now, suckahz! (http://www.amazon.com/Unreleased-Patrice-ONeal/dp/B00E4V0E34/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1377011161&sr=1-1)
Interawhat, interawho, interabang! (http://theinterrobang.com/)
Call in! Don't suck.
1 866 Ron 0 Fez
Got a new bag of werthers finally.
CountryBob
11-05-2013, 06:24 AM
here
moaning buddays...:bye:
did anyone catch chuckwagoncook (aka, Lenny McNab) on Guy's Grocery Games Sunday night?..I hope to catch a replay
a recap (with photos) is on the Food Network Site...
Lenny on Guy's Grocery Games (http://www.foodnetwork.com/shows/highlights-from-guys-grocery-games-the-ol-switcheroo/pictures/index.html)
hanso
11-05-2013, 06:31 AM
http://i41.tinypic.com/wkjnrr.jpg
Iggy pop or tan mom?
realmenhatelife
11-05-2013, 06:34 AM
That is one hell of an outfit on Lenny.
Solo David Lee Roth?
I hear additional voices during the melody...:happy:
deliciousV
11-05-2013, 06:59 AM
Countdown to Yankee Rose
realmenhatelife
11-05-2013, 07:01 AM
Solo David Lee Roth?
The gimick this week is front men going solo. Which is just an excuse for Hicks to play Joe Walsh.
Solo David Lee Roth?
The gimick this week is front men going solo. Which is just an excuse for Hicks to play Joe Walsh.
Cool -- solo Paul McCartney and John Lennon!
CountryBob
11-05-2013, 07:19 AM
I used the good bad and ugly music for my ring tone for a while back - every time Ron plays it I want to answer my phone...
deliciousV
11-05-2013, 07:23 AM
Cool -- solo Paul McCartney and John Lennon!
I'm hoping for a Frampton day
well shit, Todd showed up today...:sad:
OneEyeJack
11-05-2013, 07:26 AM
I used the good bad and ugly music for my ring tone for a while back - every time Ron plays it I want to answer my phone...
tell us about the haunted house..
sailor
11-05-2013, 07:26 AM
Shit, Todd's gonna get himself locked up, here.
http://hooptomyloo.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/split-personality.gif
LeedsJr
11-05-2013, 07:29 AM
This is so painful to listen to, I almost wish my secret alternative listening method was still not working today.
realmenhatelife
11-05-2013, 07:29 AM
Wasn't Ron somewhat pro incognito when this story broke? I was driving around but that sounded like the gist of it.
Shit, Todd's gonna get himself locked up, here.
yep...already said enough for forced admittance
Warren Peace
11-05-2013, 07:33 AM
100% convinced this is a bit. The teary Todd speaking followed by confident Fez.
sailor
11-05-2013, 07:33 AM
Wasn't Ron somewhat pro incognito when this story broke? I was driving around but that sounded like the gist of it.
Like o&a were saying this morning, a lot of new details came out later yesterday.
Warren Peace
11-05-2013, 07:34 AM
Wasn't Ron somewhat pro incognito when this story broke? I was driving around but that sounded like the gist of it.
I'm not sure...but Ron fashions himself as a bully, so it would make sense.
this one seems better...
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sailor
11-05-2013, 07:35 AM
yep...already said enough for forced admittance
Ron's agreeing.
LeedsJr
11-05-2013, 07:35 AM
100% convinced this is a bit. The teary Todd speaking followed by confident Fez.
If this is a bit, Fez/Todd is brilliant.
If it's not, they need to shoot a dart into his neck immediately.
sailor
11-05-2013, 07:35 AM
What exactly did Sam do anyways?
ihaveabadmonkey
11-05-2013, 07:36 AM
I need script notes to keep up with this Todd / Fez monologue.
sailor
11-05-2013, 07:39 AM
it's A Work...
IT'S NOT A BI...oh, nevermind.
realmenhatelife
11-05-2013, 07:39 AM
What exactly did Sam do anyways?
Played a snippet of fez sounding crazy talking about bearded animals.
What exactly did Sam do anyways?
they played the bit, but I thought Sam said he didn't supply it...something like "not being the Fez librarian"
is it just me, or does this sound like a replay of yesterday's show...I hope somebody calls in and ask Fez about bearded animals
ihaveabadmonkey
11-05-2013, 07:49 AM
what I think we need is a bit of Fodd or Tez
hanso
11-05-2013, 07:53 AM
This is so painful to listen to, I almost wish my secret alternative listening method was still not working today.
Can you pm me what that is please?
deliciousV
11-05-2013, 08:03 AM
if Tez was paying any attention at all, they'd know that O&A are using Sam to bully them, they have the power, so much so that Tez is too intimidated to actually blame them
if Tez was paying any attention at all, they'd know that O&A are using Sam to bully them, they have the power, so much so that Tez is too intimidated to actually blame them
same as when he was anti "other F word" and totally ignored OnA's use of it...in fact, he continued to work on their station
LeedsJr
11-05-2013, 08:12 AM
if Tez was paying any attention at all, they'd know that O&A are using Sam to bully them, they have the power, so much so that Tez is too intimidated to actually blame them
same as when he was anti "other F word" and totally ignored OnA's use of it...in fact, he continued to work on their station
Well let's just bring it full circle then and say it is Ron, the puppetmaster, asking them to do it as part of his campaign to get Fez to quit.
hanso
11-05-2013, 08:16 AM
alisa malano
hanso
11-05-2013, 08:19 AM
mo rocka
hanso
11-05-2013, 08:21 AM
why the 60's surf music bed?
hanso
11-05-2013, 08:22 AM
jack lemon
I'm so used to not listening to commercials that I missed the last one they played...:laugh:
hanso
11-05-2013, 08:29 AM
I'm so used to not listening to commercials that I missed the last one they played...:laugh:
I switch to other shows during commercials Howard lately.
& TY for pm LeedsJr thats what I have on (forgot) but was making sure.
Misteriosa
11-05-2013, 08:36 AM
I was of the opinion that cults tried to keep you isolated from family and friends while draining you of your resources and making you more dependent on the group for everything.
Anyone?
Ron doesn't know what a Nondenominational Church is?..Christian churches that are not Baptist, Catholic, Methodist, Lutheran, etc.
AND Fez was right...they don't think any of denominations of Christianity is wrong since they all believe in the Trinity
realmenhatelife
11-05-2013, 08:40 AM
I was of the opinion that cults tried to keep you isolated from family and friends while draining you of your resources and making you more dependent on the group for everything.
Anyone?
Dont bring sense to these conversations.
Most of the time people talk about their relationship with religion they're pretty much just talking about their relationship with their parents.
jennysmurf
11-05-2013, 08:41 AM
I was of the opinion that cults tried to keep you isolated from family and friends while draining you of your resources and making you more dependent on the group for everything.
Anyone?
That's what I've always thought of as a cult. Going to church on Sunday isn't the same thing.
realmenhatelife
11-05-2013, 08:43 AM
That's what I've always thought of as a cult. Going to church on Sunday isn't the same thing.
Dont you get it, there's a guy in a robe telling you what to think. Thats a cult man!!!! What if when you do drugs, thats reality, and when you're sober thats the altered state? DMT thoughtwars
Misteriosa
11-05-2013, 08:46 AM
Dont you get it, there's a guy in a robe telling you what to think. Thats a cult man!!!! What if when you do drugs, thats reality, and when you're sober thats the altered state? DMT thoughtwars
You don't know what you are talking about. YOU HAVENT BEEN TO THE AMAZON!
jennysmurf
11-05-2013, 08:47 AM
You don't know what you are talking about. YOU HAVENT BEEN TO THE AMAZON!
:laugh:
realmenhatelife
11-05-2013, 08:48 AM
You don't know what you are talking about. YOU HAVENT BEEN TO THE AMAZON!
But seriously I get annoyed when people cant handle the figurative language and imagery of religion. No one wants you to eat flesh, gvac, it's symbolism.
"was it Todd or Gaga there"..."Todga"
:laugh:
jennysmurf
11-05-2013, 08:50 AM
But seriously I get annoyed when people cant handle the figurative language and imagery of religion. No one wants you to eat flesh, gvac, it's symbolism.
Thaaaaank you.
Misteriosa
11-05-2013, 08:50 AM
But seriously I get annoyed when people cant handle the figurative language and imagery of religion. No one wants you to eat flesh, gvac, it's symbolism.
Fuckin' starvin'
Misteriosa
11-05-2013, 08:51 AM
Toddy GaGa
hanso
11-05-2013, 08:52 AM
If a religion seems like a cult GTFO the sooner the better.
jennysmurf
11-05-2013, 08:52 AM
Fuckin' starvin'
Earl, we got any flesh back there?
realmenhatelife
11-05-2013, 08:54 AM
Thaaaaank you.
http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Pabu-Ta-Da-Gif-In-Legend-of-Korra.gif
jennysmurf
11-05-2013, 08:56 AM
Papabear and I have been whispering sweet nothings to each other in private messages, and it made me realize something. If .net goes, I will probably never listen to Ron and Fez again. It's not the same when I can't listen with you guys. I'm more .net than the show.
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/38498184.jpg
sailor
11-05-2013, 08:57 AM
Because she's dead inside. Ha!
hanso
11-05-2013, 08:58 AM
here comes the pre!
sailor
11-05-2013, 08:59 AM
Papabear and I have been whispering sweet nothings to each other in private messages, and it made me realize something. If .net goes, I will probably never listen to Ron and Fez again. It's not the same when I can't listen with you guys. I'm more .net than the show.
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/38498184.jpg
You should be ashamed leading these guys on.
deliciousV
11-05-2013, 08:59 AM
But seriously I get annoyed when people cant handle the figurative language and imagery of religion. No one wants you to eat flesh, gvac, it's symbolism.
Catholic doctrine says you are "anathema" , stop being that!
"denieth, that, in the sacrament of the most holy Eucharist, are contained truly, really, and substantially, the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and consequently the whole Christ; but saith that He is only therein as in a sign, or in figure, or virtue" and anyone who "saith, that, in the sacred and holy sacrament of the Eucharist, the substance of the bread and wine remains conjointly with the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, and denieth that wonderful and singular conversion of the whole substance of the bread into the Body, and of the whole substance of the wine into the Blood - the species only of the bread and wine remaining - which conversion indeed the Catholic Church most aptly calls Transubstantiation, let him be anathema."
realmenhatelife
11-05-2013, 09:01 AM
Catholic doctrine says you are "anathema" , stop being that!
"denieth, that, in the sacrament of the most holy Eucharist, are contained truly, really, and substantially, the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and consequently the whole Christ; but saith that He is only therein as in a sign, or in figure, or virtue" and anyone who "saith, that, in the sacred and holy sacrament of the Eucharist, the substance of the bread and wine remains conjointly with the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, and denieth that wonderful and singular conversion of the whole substance of the bread into the Body, and of the whole substance of the wine into the Blood - the species only of the bread and wine remaining - which conversion indeed the Catholic Church most aptly calls Transubstantiation, let him be anathema."
#teamconsubstantiation
jennysmurf
11-05-2013, 09:02 AM
You should be ashamed leading these guys on.
Not at all. I love them in a very "internety, will probably never meet them in person" way. They all bring joy to my life for a few hours a day, and I miss them when I can't be here. You on the other hand....:dry:
sailor
11-05-2013, 09:04 AM
Not at all. I love them in a very "internety, will probably never meet them in person" way. They all bring joy to my life for a few hours a day, and I miss them when I can't be here. You on the other hand....:dry:
I'm a horrible person. I get it.
deliciousV
11-05-2013, 09:08 AM
#teamconsubstantiation
you poor anathema heretical bastard.
PapaBear
11-05-2013, 09:09 AM
Papabear and I have been whispering sweet nothings to each other in private messages, and it made me realize something. If .net goes, I will probably never listen to Ron and Fez again. It's not the same when I can't listen with you guys. I'm more .net than the show.
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/38498184.jpg
The irony is, you've never actually listened to the show while I was listening.
I guess I just reminded you of the people you REALLY like to hang out with. :dry:
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sailor
11-05-2013, 09:10 AM
you poor anathema heretical bastard.
I see him as more of a Herbertian abomination.
hanso
11-05-2013, 09:11 AM
No cause of death.....That chef must be zed then.
realmenhatelife
11-05-2013, 09:13 AM
I see him as more of a Herbertian abomination.
I eat meat.
jennysmurf
11-05-2013, 09:16 AM
The irony is, you've never actually listened to the show while I was listening.
I guess I just reminded you of the people you REALLY like to hang out with. :dry:
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We've never listened together, but we've posted together many, many times. :wink: True, you've sometimes finished posting before I have recently, but I still like the closeness.
deliciousV
11-05-2013, 09:18 AM
We've never listened together, but we've posted together many, many times. :wink: True, you've sometimes finished posting before I have recently, but I still like the closeness.
jeez, get a room
PapaBear
11-05-2013, 09:19 AM
We've never listened together, but we've posted together many, many times. :wink: True, you've sometimes finished posting before I have recently, but I still like the closeness.
You're a bully!
realmenhatelife
11-05-2013, 09:20 AM
jeez, get a room
I hope she's not on a lap top or she's gonna have some splaining to do to geek squad...
jennysmurf
11-05-2013, 09:22 AM
You're a bully!
Me? Never! :innocent:
jennysmurf
11-05-2013, 09:23 AM
I hope she's not on a lap top or she's gonna have some splaining to do to geek squad...
I was talking about posting. I don't know what you are talking about.
had to pause the show for a meeting...please tell me the time Dana leaves/left
she damages the images of her educational institutions and females whenever she talks...:thumbdown:
hanso
11-05-2013, 09:30 AM
When will Kenny Allen call in?
CountryBob
11-05-2013, 09:31 AM
tell us about the haunted house..
I want to but I don't have the time now. I will add to the ghost thread soon. Your mind will be blown!
realmenhatelife
11-05-2013, 09:33 AM
I was talking about posting. I don't know what you are talking about.
It's gross if I explain what I was talking about.
CountryBob
11-05-2013, 09:33 AM
Papabear and I have been whispering sweet nothings to each other in private messages, and it made me realize something. If .net goes, I will probably never listen to Ron and Fez again. It's not the same when I can't listen with you guys. I'm more .net than the show.
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/38498184.jpg
Why would it go anywhere?
I want to but I don't have the time now. I will add to the ghost thread soon. Your mind will be blown!
well, at least something is getting blown...amirite?
CountryBob
11-05-2013, 09:34 AM
I lurv the Kenny Powers
CountryBob
11-05-2013, 09:35 AM
well, at least something is getting blown...amirite?
rimshot
CountryBob
11-05-2013, 09:39 AM
I don't like being fooled by naked body doubles in movies.
Kinda like if a chick fakes the orgasm just so you will get your drunk fat sloppy body off of them and finally go to sleep.:ohmy:
jennysmurf
11-05-2013, 09:40 AM
Why would it go anywhere?
Jon's lack of interest in the site scares me. I'm just waiting for him to decide it's not worth his time.
deliciousV
11-05-2013, 09:42 AM
so is Fez Todds body double? Or is it the other way around?
realmenhatelife
11-05-2013, 09:42 AM
No Rosario?
CountryBob
11-05-2013, 09:42 AM
exciting to see the hot chick in the movies naked.
Even though she was a trashy chick - I was so excited when the Tia Tequilla sex tapes came out.
But was so let down when Kim K. sex tape was released.
overall, any celebrity nudity is good - even Bea Arthurs tits!
jennysmurf
11-05-2013, 09:43 AM
I don't like being fooled by naked body doubles in movies.
Kinda like if a chick fakes the orgasm just so you will get your drunk fat sloppy body off of them and finally go to sleep.:ohmy:
I would never do that to you, CBob.
CountryBob
11-05-2013, 09:43 AM
Jon's lack of interest in the site scares me. I'm just waiting for him to decide it's not worth his time.
besides paying for it what does owning this place involve? Just curious
CountryBob
11-05-2013, 09:44 AM
I would never do that to you, CBob.
That's cool
not saying it happens to me - it happens to a friend of mine :unsure:
jennysmurf
11-05-2013, 09:44 AM
besides paying for it what does owning this place involve? Just curious
We need some technical stuff done occasionally, and I can't get him to even sign in and check it out.
hanso
11-05-2013, 09:45 AM
I lurv the Kenny Powers
Not me I always thought it was Kenny Allen. Still not sure who he is.
Lol Vito is afraid of big nips
CountryBob
11-05-2013, 09:46 AM
We need some technical stuff done occasionally, and I can't get him to even sign in and check it out.
oh ok - I was thinking that if he didn't want it anymore at least he would offer it up to one of us to carry on. I would help
Misteriosa
11-05-2013, 09:47 AM
Sofia vegarra is the weakest actress.. but what other criteria are they choosing?
jennysmurf
11-05-2013, 09:47 AM
oh ok - I was thinking that if he didn't want it anymore at least he would offer it up to one of us to carry on. I would help
Some of it is very computer geek-type stuff that I would have no idea how to do. I know most of us would pay for the site and want to help, but we really need a technical person that can do the background stuff.
jennysmurf
11-05-2013, 09:48 AM
Sofia vegarra is the weakest actress.. but what other criteria are they choosing?
T & A of course. :dry:
hanso
11-05-2013, 09:48 AM
Sofia vegarra is the weakest actress.. but what other criteria are they choosing?
big nips?
LOL @ Vito v Ron over this
hanso
11-05-2013, 09:51 AM
Rosie Perez has huge nips she can't go on TV without them showing threw her top most times.
jennysmurf
11-05-2013, 09:53 AM
Listen to Fezzie bust out the Spanish! :clap:
Recyclerz
11-05-2013, 09:54 AM
Salma Hayek is half Lebanese if that factors into the judges scores.
CountryBob
11-05-2013, 09:55 AM
T & A of course. :dry:
does anything else matter? :laugh:
CountryBob
11-05-2013, 09:55 AM
OK - Selma Hyack, Eva Mendez sandwich please
jennysmurf
11-05-2013, 09:56 AM
does anything else matter? :laugh:
:dry:
sailor
11-05-2013, 09:57 AM
It's gross if I explain what I was talking about.
Girl parts? Eww!!
sailor
11-05-2013, 09:58 AM
Some of it is very computer geek-type stuff that I would have no idea how to do. I know most of us would pay for the site and want to help, but we really need a technical person that can do the background stuff.
Don't look at me.
Misteriosa
11-05-2013, 10:02 AM
so.. why didnt zoe saldana make the list?
:dry:
true story...when I first started working here, they referred to the Time & Attendance clerk (usually a secretarial co-op) as the "T&A Girl"
I know I'm old, but this was the case until we start keeping our own time and attendance (probably, late 90's)
sailor
11-05-2013, 10:05 AM
true story...when I first started working here, they referred to the Time & Attendance clerk (usually a secretarial co-op) as the "T&A Girl"
I know I'm old, but this was the case until we start keeping our own time and attendance (probably, late 90's)
I still giggle when I reference our t&a in an email.
realmenhatelife
11-05-2013, 10:08 AM
so.. why didnt zoe saldana make the list?
Thankyou, I couldn't think of a number 4 because I'm not especially into this list. A better one:
Rosario Dawson
Zoe Saldana
Eva Mendes
Alejandra Espinoza
Misteriosa
11-05-2013, 10:10 AM
Thankyou, I couldn't think of a number 4 because I'm not especially into this list. A better one:
Rosario Dawson
Zoe Saldana
Eva Mendes
Alejandra Espinoza
im not even sure who the fourth woman is, but im already knocking eva mendez off the list.
jennysmurf
11-05-2013, 10:10 AM
Don't look at me.
I'm not. You've been a constant disappointment to me.
realmenhatelife
11-05-2013, 10:10 AM
"Your eyes are always looking at the bottom of a bottle..." ha fez
Misteriosa
11-05-2013, 10:11 AM
im not even sure who the fourth woman is, but im already knocking eva mendez off the list.
just looked her up. mendez is definately off the list.
realmenhatelife
11-05-2013, 10:11 AM
im not even sure who the fourth woman is, but im already knocking eva mendez off the list.
http://hairstyles.thehairstyler.com/hairstyle_views/front_view_images/5978/original/Alejandra-Espinoza.jpg
She's on Sabado Gigante, she's got a really pretty smile.
Eva Mendez is so hot though.
Lemieux66
11-05-2013, 10:16 AM
This is my favorite type of Fez craziness. No outrage or perpetual victim nonsense, just fun crazy.
deliciousV
11-05-2013, 10:18 AM
so.. why didn't zoe saldana make the list?
She looks too much like a young version of Will Smith's wife, who, for no real reason I can think of, I don't like.
realmenhatelife
11-05-2013, 10:18 AM
just looked her up. mendez is definately off the list.
blasphemy. I may drop saldana.
jennysmurf
11-05-2013, 10:19 AM
This is my favorite type of Fez craziness. No outrage or perpetual victim nonsense, just fun crazy.
I love how they tell him to do all this stuff, and then when he does, they act like he's crazy. They told him to get a picture, and to follow him to his office, and now act like Fez is the nut. :happy:
drucifer
11-05-2013, 10:24 AM
Today's show has been fucking great. Top work by all in studio.
Misteriosa
11-05-2013, 10:24 AM
blasphemy. I may drop saldana.
i dont know if i can even talk to you after a comment like that... :ohmy:
Weird: I was just thinking about "Fuck Shit Stack" just yesterday.
realmenhatelife
11-05-2013, 10:29 AM
i dont know if i can even talk to you after a comment like that... :ohmy:
It's a tough, tough line up. Rosario and Eva are totally safe and I guess Zoe and Alejandra would have to duke it out, and I know Zoe is tougher.
sailor
11-05-2013, 10:35 AM
I'm not. You've been a constant disappointment to me.
A rational person would have adjusted their expectations by now.
sailor
11-05-2013, 10:37 AM
I love how they tell him to do all this stuff, and then when he does, they act like he's crazy. They told him to get a picture, and to follow him to his office, and now act like Fez is the nut. :happy:
Like when Ron told fez to boycott all movies over the joker not being in the batman movie and months later it was somehow wholey fez's idea.
Like when Ron told fez to boycott all movies over the joker not being in the batman movie and months later it was somehow wholey fez's idea.
my friend is somehow able to do that within the same debate...next think I know I'm defending a position I don't believe
jennysmurf
11-05-2013, 10:42 AM
A rational person would have adjusted their expectations by now.
I've never claimed to be rational.
sailor
11-05-2013, 10:47 AM
I've never claimed to be rational.
Point taken.
f'n online player STINKS...have 30 minutes buffered and it keeps telling me the station is temporarily unavailable
:wallbash:
sailor
11-05-2013, 11:03 AM
f'n online player STINKS...have 30 minutes buffered and it keeps telling me the station is temporarily unavailable
:wallbash:
Ironic as that's part of what o&a are going to be talking about right now.
disneyspy
11-05-2013, 03:18 PM
moaning buddays...:bye:
did anyone catch chuckwagoncook (aka, Lenny McNab) on Guy's Grocery Games Sunday night?..I hope to catch a replay
a recap (with photos) is on the Food Network Site...
Lenny on Guy's Grocery Games (http://www.foodnetwork.com/shows/highlights-from-guys-grocery-games-the-ol-switcheroo/pictures/index.html)
didnt see it but the food network is in my local mall right now filming food court wars,i will watch that and...
shhhhhhhhhhhhh it's board gossip time
i read on reddit that real dickey jr said he will be calling the show and will prove chuckwagon is a fake
sounds like this wagon is all out of gas shhhhhhhhhhhh
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