The Wire

[TheMojoPin]

<p>But you didn't really see Barksdale's crew dropping people until they knew attention was being directed towards them and they had to tighten up security.&nbsp; They'd kill when they needed to, but a minimum because too many bodies would get too much attention.&nbsp; Marlo and his crew are just cold...with the system they had they just killed anyone they want.&nbsp; I mean, look at the comparison...Barksdale had that security guard in season 1 killed because he testified.&nbsp; Marlo had the security guard killed in season 4 &quot;just for talking back.&quot;</p><p>I never get why so many people don't like season 2.&nbsp; I love the whole thing, but 2 is easily my favorite.</p>

[klaus_kinski_Jr]

Yeah I loved series 2 a container full of dead Russian hookers. What's not to love, plus we got super cute Amy Ryan through the whole thing.

Was there anyone dumber then Ziggy in season 2 I don't think so. That guy was a total classic

[GonzoStyle]

<p>A theory of mine is that the majority of people who liked season 2, are people who dozed through season one and then saw white people in season 2 and woke up. Kinda like when people use eminem and necro&nbsp;as their &quot;I listen to rap!!&quot; defense.</p>

[Earlshog]

<strong>TheMojoPin</strong> wrote:<br /><p>But you didn't really see Barksdale's crew dropping people until they knew attention was being directed towards them and they had to tighten up security.&nbsp; They'd kill when they needed to, but a minimum because too many bodies would get too much attention.&nbsp; Marlo and his crew are just cold...with the system they had they just killed anyone they want.&nbsp; I mean, look at the comparison...Barksdale had that security guard in season 1 killed because he testified.&nbsp; Marlo had the security guard killed in season 4 &quot;just for talking back.&quot;</p><p>I never get why so many people don't like season 2.&nbsp; I love the whole thing, but 2 is easily my favorite.</p><p>I agree Avon did seem to have more of a code about him (ie when he was pissed at Stringer for fuckin w/&nbsp;the Sunday truce) then&nbsp;Marlo. Or maybe we just haven't seen that side of Marlo yet? &nbsp;However back to&nbsp;Bodie, he&nbsp;did not know about the secuirty guard. He was upset about Lex and&nbsp;Little Kev who were both killed for legit reasons. Lex dropped Fruit and had to go. Marlo even made a point not to take out everyone on the corner cause he didn't&nbsp;want all those bodies. In Lil Kevs case&nbsp;Marlo had to tighten up secuirty, and&nbsp;while Bodie didn't like it, he had to go cause he could tie&nbsp;Chris&nbsp;&nbsp;to Lex's killing which in turn could tie them to all the bodies in the vacants. Taking&nbsp;out Bodie had to happen cause he was set to give up Marlo and his crew.</p><p>Seperate and unrelated&nbsp;I feel&nbsp;Avon&nbsp;was just as cold as Marlo and if he&nbsp;had a soldier like&nbsp;Chris as a number two with his ear&nbsp;i/o String. Who knows, maybe&nbsp; he had he would still be rulling the westside i/o doing 25 up top.</p><p>I think the problem people had w/ season two was a little bit of the ole &quot;this isn't what I am used too&quot; bit. I loved season two. </p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Earlshog on 12-28-06 @ 10:49 AM</span>

[klaus_kinski_Jr]

<strong>GonzoStyle</strong> wrote:<br><p>A theory of mine is that the majority of people who liked season 2, are people who dozed through season one and then saw white people in season 2 and woke up. Kinda like when people use eminem and necroÿas their "I listen to rap!!" defense.</p><p></p>

Season 2 I watched from the start, unlike season 1 which my friends turned me onto halfway through. Still have not watched all of season 1 yet.

By the way Omar is still the baddest mother fucker on that show, with Marlow coming up a close second

[TheMojoPin]

<strong>GonzoStyle</strong> wrote:<br /><p>A theory of mine is that the majority of people who liked season 2, are people who dozed through season one and then saw white people in season 2 and woke up. Kinda like when people use eminem and necro&nbsp;as their &quot;I listen to rap!!&quot; defense.</p><p>Maybe...it's not like I don't love the others.&nbsp; I just think season 2 stands out the best as a single entity.&nbsp; Like it's almost its movie within the series, but it still manages to connect.&nbsp; Besides, it's not like the black characters all disappeared...Stringer struggling is a huge plotline, so is D'Angelo and Avon in jail.&nbsp; Season 2 is when Prop Joe bcame a truly major character and when we started seeing more of his crew, like&nbsp;midget-loving&nbsp;Cheese.&nbsp; You had Omar tesitfying against Bird and you had all the drama with Brother Mouzonne(sp?).&nbsp; I think it's a fallacy to say season 2 was the &quot;white season,&quot; even in jest.&nbsp; Bottom line, it's all Baltimore...it's the same world.&nbsp; I think it's the most expansive season in terms of social scope we've seen so far...it showed the problems we saw in season 1 can't be dismissed as &quot;oh, that's just a poor/ghetto/black problem.&quot;&nbsp; Plus how they brought the show back when they ended it like it was THE end in season 1 is a fucking work of art.</p><p>Season 2 really illustrated how everything we've seen is connected, how the drug is SO fucked up on a global scale.&nbsp; I think the music montage they did in the end of that season, when Nick is looking at the shut down factory, was the most devastating one they've done so far.</p><p>I really liked the Greeks, too.&nbsp; They had an impressive operation and some badass guys working for them.&nbsp; If anyone could fuck with Marlo's muscle, it's them.</p><p>And I personally think the guy who played Frank Sobatka(sp?) put out the best performance I've yet to see on the whole series.</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 12-29-06 @ 7:06 PM</span>

[El Mudo]

<strong>TheMojoPin</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>GonzoStyle</strong> wrote:<br /><p>A theory of mine is that the majority of people who liked season 2, are people who dozed through season one and then saw white people in season 2 and woke up. Kinda like when people use eminem and necro as their &quot;I listen to rap!!&quot; defense.</p><p>Maybe...it's not like I don't love the others. I just think season 2 stands out the best as a single entity. Like it's almost its movie within the series, but it still manages to connect. Besides, it's not like the black characters all disappeared...Stringer struggling is a huge plotline, so is D'Angelo and Avon in jail. Season 2 is when Prop Joe bcame a truly major character and when we started seeing more of his crew, like the immortal cheese. You had Omar tesitfying against Bird and you had all the drama with Brother Mouzonne(sp?). I think it's a fallacy to say season 2 was the &quot;white season,&quot; even in jest. Bottom line, it's all Baltimore...it's the same world. I think it's the most expansive season in terms of social scope we've seen so far...it showed the problems we saw in season 1 can't be dismissed as &quot;oh, that's just a poor/ghetto/black problem.&quot; Plus how they brought the show back when they ended it like it was THE end in season 1 is a fucking work of art.</p><p>Season 2 really illustrated how everything we've seen is connected, how the drug is SO fucked up on a global scale. I think the music montage they did in the end of that season, when Nick is looking at the shut down factory, was the most devastating one they've done so far.</p><p>I really liked the Greeks, too. They had an impressive operation and some badass guys working for them. If anyone could fuck with Marlo's muscle, it's them.</p><p>And I personally think the guy who played Frank Sobatka(sp?) put out the best performance I've yet to see on the whole series.</p>&nbsp;&nbsp;I loved Season 2 as well.&nbsp; I think it really shed a lot of light on how the old school blue collar type worker has really become a relic, and is dying out.&nbsp;Frank Sobotka may be the most tragic figure in the history of television&nbsp;<p>&nbsp;</p>

[Furtherman]

I just blew through the first two season of The Wire in the last couple weeks. I just ordered the third today.

Fantastic show. Consider me a huge fan now, albeit a few years too late.


Anyway - and please, no spoilers here - Wire fans... am I understanding correctly that Season 4 is NOT available on DVD yet?

And Season 5 will be starting this year or next?

[TheMojoPin]

Season 4 is not on DVD yet...season 5, I velieve, has wrapped shooting and will likely air this fall or by January 2008. Whenever season 5 airs, season 4 should come out on DVD shortly before that.

[Furtherman]

Thanks Mojo - I'm looking forward to it!

[TheMojoPin]

Thanks Mojo - I'm looking forward to it!

No problem! Apparently HBO has some print ads out there indicating the DVD should be released in time for Xmas. Here's the cover art:

http://www.tvshowsondvd.net/graphics/news3/TheWire_S4_early.jpg

[LiddyRules]

I didn't get into the Wire until a couple of months ago. I saw 1, 2, 3 consecutively and constantly check Netflix to see when Wire 4 comes out on DVD. I probably finished watching Season 3 two or three months ago and it still sticks in my mind.

[TheGameHHH]

I didn't get into the Wire until a couple of months ago. I saw 1, 2, 3 consecutively and constantly check Netflix to see when Wire 4 comes out on DVD. I probably finished watching Season 3 two or three months ago and it still sticks in my mind.

thats pretty much me too, i just started watching a few months ago and I flew through the first 3 seasons. now im dying for season 4 to come out so I can watch it all before season 5 airs on HBO.

[TheMojoPin]

Alright guys, which version of the opening credits song, Tom Waits' "Way Down In the Hole," do you prefer? I love how they switch it up each year and how each version kind of sets the tone for the theme or setting of each season, but I definitely prefer Waits' original. I think it's just the most atmospheric and perfect for its season, and the way the blues-y guitar cranks over the other minimal music near the end is perfect for a series this bleak. Season 4 would be a close second favorite.

Here are the different versions:

Season 1, The Blind Boys of Alabama

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Season 2, Tom Waits

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Season 3, The Neville Brothers

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Season 4, by DoMaJe

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I'm always impressed with how they edit the credit sequence...they always put in plenty of stuff that pertains to the current season, but then great permanent clips that really sum up the show.

[EffMeBoobs]

I'm in the same boat with Liddy and HHH. Got into it a couple of months ago. Watched 1 and 2....got 3 and watched Season 3 in 2 days. Man......Stringer Bell.......ugh.

I love Season 3's version of the opening song so far.

I constantly check Amazon to see when 4 is coming out on DVD...I'm dying to watch it.

[Reynolds]

Why wait for it?

[TheGameHHH]

I'm in the same boat with Liddy and HHH. Got into it a couple of months ago. Watched 1 and 2....got 3 and watched Season 3 in 2 days. Man......Stringer Bell.......ugh.

I love Season 3's version of the opening song so far.

I constantly check Amazon to see when 4 is coming out on DVD...I'm dying to watch it.

fuck stringer bell.......im upset my boy Avon is back behind bars.

and i dont know what it is about him, but Omar is the man (no homo, literally).

[TheMojoPin]

Why wait for it?

Some people actually want to support the shows they enjoy.

[LiddyRules]

Why wait for it? Supporting the show (even if it's on netflix, is it still considered support) and I want to see it on my TV rather than my laptop screen.

[Reynolds]

Supporting the show (even if it's on netflix, is it still considered support) and I want to see it on my TV rather than my laptop screen.

Who said anything about a laptop screen? Even if you get a bootleg copy early, if it really tugs on your conscience you can always netflix it again when it comes out. The show's already run it's course, with the final season coming out next year. Besides, box sets of seasons cost way too much. Can't go out and buy every dvd set of every show I've ever liked, crazy. Especially since they'll run season 4 on demand again to get you caught up for season 5.

[TheMojoPin]

Who said anything about a laptop screen? Even if you get a bootleg copy early, if it really tugs on your conscience you can always netflix it again when it comes out. The show's already run it's course, with the final season coming out next year. Besides, box sets of seasons cost way too much. Can't go out and buy every dvd set of every show I've ever liked, crazy. Especially since they'll run season 4 on demand again to get you caught up for season 5.

Just because you can't afford the box sets doesn't mean others can't. Hey, do your own thing, but I don't see why some people always have to questions why others want to wait for an official release.

[LiddyRules]

I just don't want to go online and pull them off and burn them to DVD and all that. I really would much rather get them on DVDs when they're released from Netflix, when it's time for S4 so I can be prepped for S5. It's not like I'm all that moral.

[Furtherman]

I like having the boxed sets on my bookshelf. Looks nice.

[Reynolds]

Just because you can't afford the box sets doesn't mean others can't. Hey, do your own thing, but I don't see why some people always have to questions why others want to wait for an official release.

I subscribe to HBO and watched the series from the beginning, and worried after every season because it was always a cunt hair away from getting canceled. Starting to watch the show 4 years in, and thinking netflixing the dvds is supporting the show is like being a deadbeat dad for 12 years, finding out the kid is terminally ill with cancer and buying him a bicycle 2 months before he shits the bed.

[EffMeBoobs]

I like having the boxed sets on my bookshelf. Looks nice.

Rub it in............

[Freakshow]

I thought I read that they don't finish filming before a season starts. That allows them to fit the story to what works and what doesn't.

My friend did see them filming a few months back. I don't know how much the Greek will play in this season, because I haven't seen them here in my section of town.

[klaus_kinski_Jr]

Actually a pal of mine was part of the series finale yesterday. There was a huge open call for extras. He is not giving away details the bastard all he said was he was dressed as a cop in a large scene.

[TheMojoPin]

I subscribe to HBO and watched the series from the beginning, and worried after every season because it was always a cunt hair away from getting canceled. Starting to watch the show 4 years in, and thinking netflixing the dvds is supporting the show is like being a deadbeat dad for 12 years, finding out the kid is terminally ill with cancer and buying him a bicycle 2 months before he shits the bed.

David Simon has put other projects on the air in the past. Support and success for a current project would make the chanes of him being able to put another show or mini-series on HBO that much better.

[TheMojoPin]

I guess Omar being the top "homo thug" was just a phase... (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/19/fashion/weddings/19VOWS.html?_r=2&ref=weddings&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)

Interesting claim by the article...in the official book about the show Simon and co. talk about how characters like Bubs and Omar are based on many individuals they encountered over the years.

[EffMeBoobs]

I guess Omar being the top "homo thug" was just a phase... (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/19/fashion/weddings/19VOWS.html?_r=2&ref=weddings&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)

Interesting claim by the article...in the official book about the show Simon and co. talk about how characters like Bubs and Omar are based on many individuals they encountered over the years.

That's an interesting read, thanks Mojo.

[EffMeBoobs]

Actually a pal of mine was part of the series finale yesterday. There was a huge open call for extras. He is not giving away details the bastard all he said was he was dressed as a cop in a large scene.

Well I'm glad he didnt tell you anything, I don't want to read any spoilers! That is pretty awesome he was in it though!

[hammersavage]

From wikipedia:

Season 5

HBO announced on September 12, 2006 that they have commissioned a fifth and final season, ordering 13 episodes. The season was later shortened to 10 episodes.[28] In an interview with Slate on December 1, 2006, David Simon said that season five will be about the media and consumers of media. The theme will be about "what stories get told and what don't and why it is that things stay the same." Journalism modeled after The Baltimore Sun will be a major focus. Profits and the decrease in the number of reporters will be an issue along with the end of aspiration for news quality. In the same interview, Simon indicated that no theme seemed substantial enough to warrant a sixth season, except possibly the large influx of Latinos into Baltimore. Simon said that since no writer on the show spoke Spanish or had any intimate knowledge of the city's Latino population, the field work would be too cumbersome.

On April 30, 2007, production for Season 5 officially began. It is expected to premiere in the first quarter of 2008. Based on already scheduled HBO Programming, the debut date should be February 3 or February 10, 2008.

Simon stated at the Night at the Wire event on June 9, 2007 that Detective Sydnor is the only character who remains morally clean at the end of the show, but not perfectly since "after all, this is The Wire". Simon also made references towards a possible run by Mayor Carcetti for governor, continuing to mirror current Maryland Governor and former Baltimore Mayor Martin O'Malley. On that night, fans were allowed to tour the Baltimore Sun newsroom the show had constructed, as a main setting for Season 5 will be the media, and a main theme will be homelessness. It has been rumored that in Season 5 of The Wire, Homicide stars Richard Belzer and Clark Johnson will guest star. Johnson specifically is rumored to play the city editor of Baltimore’s daily newspaper.





I can't wait for this. I love the use of a theme for every season and this one sounds cool. It keeps the same characters in play but introduces new ones every season. The show is so great because it has such a huge scope.

[klaus_kinski_Jr]

The Belzer thing is true he is supposedly playing the same character from Homicide and SVU

[TheMojoPin]

From wikipedia:
In the same interview, Simon indicated that no theme seemed substantial enough to warrant a sixth season, except possibly the large influx of Latinos into Baltimore. Simon said that since no writer on the show spoke Spanish or had any intimate knowledge of the city's Latino population, the field work would be too cumbersome.

I think this really speaks to the quality of the show. Sure, I'd love for it to go on, but up until this point they've only wirrten and created what most of them know from their decades of experience as cops, teachers and reporters and Baltimore. I'd almost hate to see them go after something they haven't experienced firsthand...it wouldn't fit the natural feel of the rest of the series.

Damn, I hope Belzer doesn't show up as Munch. As much as I loveHomicide, his character would not fit into the The Wire at all. Now Clark Johnson? That's cool as hell. If someone like Andre Braugher swung by with his HLOTS character, I'd probably die happy on the spot.

[Furtherman]

Real Life and Fiction Jostle for a Final Time As Acclaimed HBO Show Shoots Last Episode (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/02/AR2007090201454.html)

No spoilers, just a nice read on the last day of shooting.

[Crippler]

Good find with that article. I can't believe it took me so long to get into this show (just last year), but once I did I ran through the seasons within two weeks & I'll be glued to this season too.

By the way the director of the last spisode, Clark Johnson, is Meldrick from "Homicide: LOtS" right?

[The Silencer]

i am excited...love the show!

[TheMojoPin]

By the way the director of the last spisode, Clark Johnson, is Meldrick from "Homicide: LOtS" right?

Yep! He's directed a few episodes of the series, including the very first one.

[RogerDornShortHops]

Wire is the greatest show in the history of television. Can't wait for the final season.
I'm praying McNulty starts hitting the bottle again from the get go.

[EffMeBoobs]

I'm getting teased by the title of this thread. For a second, I thought it meant that it was coming out on DVD September 10th. Then I realized this thread was started in February 2005 and it was about the actual airing on HBO in September 2005. I'm so depressed now.

[Freakshow]

The Belzer thing is true he is supposedly playing the same character from Homicide and SVU

How is that going to work? His character Munch is based on Jay Landesman, who is already a character in the Wire. Plus the real life Jay Landesman plays another character on the show.

[Furtherman]

Amazon.com just alerted me that The Wire Season 4 will be released on December 4, 2007.

[EffMeBoobs]

Lou called me today and said it will be released Dec 21st. But the 4th sounds better to me! Yay!

[TheGameHHH]

totally asking Santa Claus for that as a gift

[Freakshow]

I've heard a rumour that they were filming at the Sidebar again (the place with the wake from Season 3). They change the inside a lot for filming, but they left something from my band hanging on the wall. I can't wait for the last episode now (sounds so wrong). It will probably be on for a split second, or somewhere indistinguishable in the background, but as long as it's there--it will be cool beyond belief.

[TheMojoPin]

I need a real mod to update the title of this thread to say that season 5 starts in January!

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[TheMojoPin]

Oh yeah, December 4th...

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61SrHoDH6-L._SS500_.jpg

[BoondockSaint]

I've looked around but haven't seen anything. Does anyone know if the writers strike will effect the new season's premiere? Have they already finished shooting?

[prothunderball]

I've looked around but haven't seen anything. Does anyone know if the writers strike will effect the new season's premiere? Have they already finished shooting?

I know they started shooting towards the end of the summer, and it's scheduled to premier in January, so if they're not done shooting now they must be pretty close.

[EffMeBoobs]

I believe the last show was shot a few months ago if I remember correctly.

[Furtherman]

I believe the last show was shot a few months ago if I remember correctly.

You did.

Real Life and Fiction Jostle for a Final Time As Acclaimed HBO Show Shoots Last Episode (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/02/AR2007090201454.html)

(posted in this thread)

[BoondockSaint]

You did.

Real Life and Fiction Jostle for a Final Time As Acclaimed HBO Show Shoots Last Episode (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/02/AR2007090201454.html)

(posted in this thread)

Thank God. I need a little more Omar in my life.

[Furtherman]

Oh yeah, December 4th...

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61SrHoDH6-L._SS500_.jpg

Just pre-ordered mine! Next week Wire marathon... can't wait!

[TheGameHHH]

Just pre-ordered mine! Next week Wire marathon... can't wait!

im getting mine for Christmas, the marathon for me starts December 26th. I havent seen any of Season 4 yet, i cant wait.

[hammersavage]

im getting mine for Christmas, the marathon for me starts December 26th. I havent seen any of Season 4 yet, i cant wait.

Ah, dude...you're lucky. I wish i got to see it for the 1st time again.

It's an amazing season, not surprisingly, but the anger I felt at the end of the season because of the situations of a few characters was so fucking real and intense for me. Any show that can get that out of me must be special and 'The Wire' is the best of all time.

[TheGameHHH]

Ah, dude...you're lucky. I wish i got to see it for the 1st time again.

It's an amazing season, not surprisingly, but the anger I felt at the end of the season because of the situations of a few characters was so fucking real and intense for me. Any show that can get that out of me must be special and 'The Wire' is the best of all time.

the first three seasons blew me away, im sure the 4th will be no different. its unlike anything ive seen on t.v.

[Bay Ridge Tim]

Ok, I just finished the 4th season on DVD. I got it the 5th and watched it as quickly as I could.

God damn, that was draining. My only MINOR complaint that that McNulty had such a small role.
Major spoilers:Between Bodie getting killed, Michael "joining the dark side", Randy being put back in the group home and Dukie on the corner, I feel like I want to throw myself in front of a train. Oh yeah, and Bubbles. Damn, Bubbles. Damn.

I can't wait for season 5.

[BoondockSaint]

Ok, I just finished the 4th season on DVD. I got it the 5th and watched it as quickly as I could.

God damn, that was draining. My only MINOR complaint that that McNulty had such a small role.
Major spoilers:Between Bodie getting killed, Michael "joining the dark side", Randy being put back in the group home and Dukie on the corner, I feel like I want to throw myself in front of a train. Oh yeah, and Bubbles. Damn, Bubbles. Damn.

I can't wait for season 5.

Also, the shit between Omar and the CO-OP is going to be crazy.

[marky2bucks]

Season 4 was the best by a mile. I don't think anything else on TV comes close to this show. Will the writer's strike affect this?

[Bay Ridge Tim]

Season 4 was the best by a mile. I don't think anything else on TV comes close to this show. Will the writer's strike affect this?

Nope. It's ready to go in January.

[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, they wrapped up filming well before the strike.

What's the official date for season 5? A kindly mod with real powers should update this thread title.

[BoondockSaint]

January 6th.

[Earlshog]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=w4ufKCHG0KI


http://youtube.com/watch?v=fQ-V0W1zsAs&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=b3nzDngAMXQ

[Earlshog]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gPflEzVBSq0

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zIsYWcHbwLU

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EwhryZsvU6E

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WVB-d7tWIII

I can't fuckin wait!!!!!!!!

[TheMojoPin]

Damn...it kinda sucks seeing McNulty probably fucking up what he's gotten for himself. But hey, nobody has a happy ending on this show.

Those prequels are fantastic...I hope they make some more.

[Bay Ridge Tim]

The official Season 5 trailer...
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*gulp*

[Knowledged_one]

Do you think the gay commisioner will be discovered Johnny-cakes style?

[Snoogans]

those prequels are the shit

[Furtherman]

Alright guys, which version of the opening credits song, Tom Waits' "Way Down In the Hole," do you prefer?

Season 4, by DoMaJe

Loved the Season 4 theme the best.

Which also means I just wrapped up watching the season, and I never thought I'd say this, but The Wire has surpassed my beloved The Shield. It will probably go down as one of my favorite TV shows of all time. Just incredible all around. RIP Bodie. I hate Carcetti so much in Season 3 I was suprised I actually got to like him in Season 4. Omar is still the man and I liked the Prez story line, whereas I thought he was finished after last year. Bunk rules. All the characters do... I'm just so happy how they followed them all and every storyline was important. Bring on Season 5!!!

[Reynolds]

Some new clips went up on HBO on demand.

A 1/2 hour special on season five

Three 2 minute clips of some of the characters roots.

How Proposition Joe became known as prop joe

Omar as a little kid robbing people

The first day McNulty and Bunk became partners.

::: Edit::: I guess I didn't read enough into the previous posts (prequels) Sorry :::Edit:::

Thanks for the trailer, I didn't realize it started so soon, badass. Good thing they finished filming just before the strike.

[TheMojoPin]

YES! A soundtrack is being released on January 8th:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61kv3fgosfL._SS500_.jpg

1. Way Down in the Hole - The Five Blind Boys of Alabama
2. Oh My God - Michael Franti & Spearhead
3. Dance My Pain Away - Rod Lee
4. My Life Extra - DJ Technics
5. Way Down in the Hole - The Neville Brothers
6. Sixteen Tons - The Nighthawks
7. Assume the Position - Lafayette Gilchrist
8. Step by Step - Jesse Winchester
9. I Walk on Guilded Splinters - Paul Weller
10. Fast Train - Solomon Burke
11. Body of an American - The Pogues
12. Efuge Efuge - Stelios Kazantzidis
13. Way Down in the Hole - Dimaje
14. Projects
15. Ayo - Bossman
16. Analyze - Sharpshooters
17. Unfriendly Game - Masta Ace,
18. What You Know About Baltimore - Ogun,
19. Jail Flick
20. Life, The Hood, The Streetz - Mullyman
21. I Feel Alright - Steve Earle
22. Way Down in the Hole - Tom Waits
23. Fall - Blake Leyh

Kinda frustrating that it looks like the 5th season version of the theme won't be on there...Steve Earle is having something to do with it, according to the 4th season commentaries, though they weren't clear whether he was performing it or producing it.

[Furtherman]

Awesome. The version of Fast Train by Solomon Burke is amazing.

[Bay Ridge Tim]

The Star Ledger's critic Alan Sepinwall (who is featured in those on-demand HBO Wire shows), hints that season five is more of the same greatness (http://blog.nj.com/alltv/2007/12/best_of_2007_top_10_or_11_epis.html).

(check the comments)

[TheMojoPin]

Can a mod please update the thread title?

[edtmac]

From almost not having a season 4 - to being the best sean ever...it was awesome. Wish HBO wouldnt end the show this season. Watching the reruns for season 4, can wait until Jan 6th. Long Live Omar!
By far one of HBOs best shows ever.

[Earlshog]

From almost not having a season 4 - to being the best sean ever...it was awesome. Wish HBO wouldnt end the show this season. Watching the reruns for season 4, can wait until Jan 6th. Long Live Omar!
By far one of HBOs best shows ever.

Its not HBO decision to end the show, its David Simons

[BoondockSaint]

From almost not having a season 4 - to being the best sean ever...it was awesome. Wish HBO wouldnt end the show this season. Watching the reruns for season 4, can wait until Jan 6th. Long Live Omar!
By far one of HBOs best shows ever.

HBO isn't ending it, the creators are. They said they have nowhere to go with the story after this season.

[Earlshog]

HBO isn't ending it, the creators are. They said they have nowhere to go with the story after this season.

I did see in an interview they would like to address the effect illegal immigration is having on Baltimore but they don't have the first hand experience necessary to pull it off.

[BoondockSaint]

I did see in an interview they would like to address the effect illegal immigration is having on Baltimore but they don't have the first hand experience necessary to pull it off.

Yeah, it's on one of those specials HBO is running. Simon said that the only area to go after season 5 would have to deal with that and they don't have anybody or even a writer who speaks fluent Spanish. I don't mind, it's been 5 years of greatness and Simon said everything will get wrapped up. That's all I ask. HBO has a habit of just ending shit with no conclusion.

[Knowledged_one]

Did i ever tell any of you i was an extra in the first season, i was in two episodes at the strip club, it was filmed at the Ritz Cabaret in Baltimore and we knew the bouncer there so we got to be extras.

[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, it's on one of those specials HBO is running. Simon said that the only area to go after season 5 would have to deal with that and they don't have anybody or even a writer who speaks fluent Spanish. I don't mind, it's been 5 years of greatness and Simon said everything will get wrapped up. That's all I ask. HBO has a habit of just ending shit with no conclusion.

Yeah, you have to respect how they don't want to approach something that they don't have any experience with.

And the 5th season wouldn't have focused on illegal immigration...as they've discussed on the commentaries, it would focus on the dramatic Hispanic influx into Baltimore over the last decade, most of whom are prefectly legal and natural citizens born and raised here in the US. As opposed to most demographic shifts, however, they've had a huge impact on both the lower AND middle classes.

[Earlshog]

The Wire Season 5 (final Season) Begins 1/6/08 On Hbo Or See It First On Hbo On Demand 12/31/07. New Episodes Will Be Available On Hbo On Demand A Week Early!!!

[Freakshow]

Loved the Season 4 theme the best.

Which also means I just wrapped up watching the season, and I never thought I'd say this, but The Wire has surpassed my beloved The Shield. It will probably go down as one of my favorite TV shows of all time. Just incredible all around. RIP Bodie. I hate Carcetti so much in Season 3 I was suprised I actually got to like him in Season 4. Omar is still the man and I liked the Prez story line, whereas I thought he was finished after last year. Bunk rules. All the characters do... I'm just so happy how they followed them all and every storyline was important. Bring on Season 5!!!

The real-life mayor of Baltimore that Carcetti was based (O'Malley) on was running for governor of MD. They cut out his previous scumbaggery lest people get a little confused when voting.

In an unusual twist, his opponent (then governor Ehrlich) played a state trooper for the Governor in Season 4...

[BoondockSaint]

The Wire Season 5 (final Season) Begins 1/6/08 On Hbo Or See It First On Hbo On Demand 12/31/07. New Episodes Will Be Available On Hbo On Demand A Week Early!!!

That rocks. I can't wait.

[Bay Ridge Tim]

The first episode of season five on HBO On Demand.

I love this show. Fucking love it. I love how at the beginning of every season all the wheels are set in motion and somehow they're all going to come together.

I'll keep the spoilers to spoiler text, but the first scene, before the credits, is great.

Not much to day, except I SWEAR TO GOD if Bubbles uses again I'm going to break down and cry. I won't be able to take that.

McNulty is furious. He's a man on fire.

Poor Dukie... kid can't catch a break... damn.

Great theme music this year again, too.

[marky2bucks]

At last, something on TV. I'm going to watch this while hungover tomorrow. Thank god for OnDemand.

[BoondockSaint]

I watched it this morning. I was not disappointed in any way.

[Earlshog]

I watched it this morning. I was not disappointed in any way.

I agree they are laying a very solid foundation.

[Snoogans]

what the fuck, it says its supposed to be on demand, but its not on ours. What number does it end up being?

[Earlshog]

what the fuck, it says its supposed to be on demand, but its not on ours. What number does it end up being?

I think it was 51

[Snoogans]

nevermind its there, cablevision just eats dick so its all fucked up

[TheMojoPin]

It is indeed episode #51, I just watched it earlier today.

Great start...I love the stuff with the newspaper, especially since it's got Clark Johnson in the main role.

I'd swear the Irish actor who is playing Carcetti has been working on his accent since the last season, because his voice sounds a lot more "neutral" now in terms of an accent.

I won't go into the details for spoilers' sake, so I'll just ask this...how the fuck could the Russian fit back into all of this?

Dookie done gone and grown himself up. He's huge now!

The only letdown for me is the theme song by Steve Earle. It's a little too fast and doesn't set the mood as dark as it should be like the other versions have, and the backing musi sounds really grating and drone-y.

No Omar yet...get on that!

[Freakshow]

No Pres, yet, either. I though he was loosely following Ed Burns' career path--cop, teacher, Sun reporter.

[TheGameHHH]

The Wire Season 5 (final Season) Begins 1/6/08 On Hbo Or See It First On Hbo On Demand 12/31/07. New Episodes Will Be Available On Hbo On Demand A Week Early!!!

I tried finishing Season 4 last night on DVD but I passed out at 10pm with a little over 2 episodes left. I woke up at 6am, wide awake and ready to watch some more. I'm now finished with Season 4 and I'm thinking of watching the first episode of Season 5 OnDemand. I'm gonna hold out for now, but I don't think I'm gonna be able to last the whole day without flipping the new episode on.

[Earlshog]

[QUOTE=TheMojoPin;1567776]It is indeed episode #51, I just watched it earlier today.


I won't go into the details for spoilers' sake, so I'll just ask this...how the fuck could the Russian fit back into all of this?

QUOTE]

I would think it will some how be tied in with prop joe and the co-op. Maybe Marlo making a play to steal / take out the fat mans connect.


How great was the scene with Daniels, Pearlman, and the other Lieutenant are talking about the Stanfield investigation when Chris asks them for directions.

[Bay Ridge Tim]

No Pres, yet, either. I though he was loosely following Ed Burns' career path--cop, teacher, Sun reporter.

David Simon worked for the Sun, not Burns.

[TheMojoPin]

David Simon worked for the Sun, not Burns.

Correct. I have the feeling Prez will be more like McNulty last season, and only around for a handful of episodes sine the focus of the show has shifted away from him.

Snoogans has a good theory about the Russian:

Marlow clearly can't stand the co-op, and he's been tracking the Greeks and knows that they are the main source of drugs into Baltimore, so he's likely going to use the Russian as communication to the Greeks. Yeah, Sergei is locked up for life, but the Greeks probaly have him hooked up on the inside...think of the time guys like Avon and Weebay are doing. He can probaly still get in touch with the Greeks.

[Knowledged_one]

Im glad they are re-visiting stuff from Season 2 as i think that was the best season

[Snoogans]

ZIGGY! Don't you pull your dick out in here again

[Furtherman]

Was there ever a more cringy character in television than Ziggy? I propse not! But that's what made him so good. I hope we see him again.

[TheMojoPin]

Im glad they are re-visiting stuff from Season 2 as i think that was the best season

Yeah, that was my favorite, too. I think we're in the minority.

[Knowledged_one]

Was there ever a more cringy character in television than Ziggy? I propse not! But that's what made him so good. I hope we see him again.

Just replace the aryans with black guys in American History X and you have a perfect image of what we would be seeing of him, either that or he would look like Beecher the prag in Oz

[Knowledged_one]

Yeah, that was my favorite, too. I think we're in the minority.

Its because we arent black :lol:

In all seriousness all of my friends who got the ghetto in them think season 2 sucked because the lack of the corner boys

[Earlshog]

Was there ever a more cringy character in television than Ziggy? I propse not! But that's what made him so good. I hope we see him again.


Are Avon, Sergi, and Ziggy all in Jessup?

[Knowledged_one]

Sergi dont you mean Boris?

[Furtherman]

Are Avon, Sergi, and Ziggy all in Jessup?

Not sure. I don't recall ever seeing Ziggy being sentenced, only that we knew he was off to jail.

[Knowledged_one]

I loved how Ziggy came into the bar blind with the duck saying he was getting Steven L. Miles to be his attorney (Miles is a local bmore attorney who advertises on like the Springer show)

To me the best part of Season 2 was when Prez took the board and consolidated everything down to the essence of the new case it was at the start of one of the episodes

[TheMojoPin]

Wasn't part of Nick's deal was that Zig would somehow be doing less "hard" (pun possily intended) time?

[hammersavage]

that was definitely the best part of season 2. the board set up the whole case. i think johnny cash was playing. i can't wait for this season's moment when it all sinks in.

[Servo]

Wasn't part of Nick's deal was that Zig would somehow be doing less "hard" (pun possily intended) time?

I think the only thing they promised was that they would move Zig out of the city lockup while he was awaiting trial.

I can't pick favorites, but I love Season 2 too. The story of Frank Sobotka is pretty heartbreaking.

[TheMojoPin]

I thought season 2 also had the best final episode musical montage, in terms of musical choice, emotional impact and just the pure fucking bleakness/hopelessness of everything.

[Knowledged_one]

that was definitely the best part of season 2. the board set up the whole case. i think johnny cash was playing. i can't wait for this season's moment when it all sinks in.

It was definetly Johnny Cash

I got seasons 1 and 2 for christmas i cant wait to re-watch them

[Earlshog]

Not sure. I don't recall ever seeing Ziggy being sentenced, only that we knew he was off to jail.

a cell has opened up...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/02/maryland.hospital/index.html

[hammersavage]

I don't know how, but EPISODE 2 has leaked online.

i use bittorrent for all you savvy internet folks, get on it. ill let you know how it is without spoilers.

[Snoogans]

A prisoner who overpowered five security guards at a suburban hospital, took their weapons, shot a driver and then stole several cars has been shot and killed by police, authorities said Wednesday.

Wow, Maryland, you guys are pathetic

[scottinnj]

I thought season 2 also had the best final episode musical montage, in terms of musical choice, emotional impact and just the pure fucking bleakness/hopelessness of everything.

Oh yeah. I was so into the story and the characters, when they kept going from one to the other, showing the depression, I just wanted to eat a bottle of pills.

[TheGameHHH]

I just finished the first episode of the new season, first of all im glad i'm finally caught up on this show. first episode doesn't disappoint, my only complaint being (as Mojo previously stated) the need for Omar.

I also love the direction Michael's character has taken. From never wanting Marlo's help to being a true gang-banger in his crew.

[BoondockSaint]

But there is no need for Omar in the first episode. This episode was just to touch base on what everyone was up to. Omar is rich now. What would they show him doing? I think Omar doesn't show up until Marlo goes after him.

[TheGameHHH]

storyline wise you're 100% correct, i just love his character. he makes me wanna be a bad-ass gangster.

[BoondockSaint]

storyline wise you're 100% correct, i just love his character. he makes me wanna be a bad-ass gangster.


Fo' sho'. He could kick Tony Sprano's ass and then make out with him.

[Kevin]

Fo' sho'. He could kick Tony Sprano's ass and then make out with him.

Tony isnt pretty enough for Omar..

[Bay Ridge Tim]

I thought season 2 also had the best final episode musical montage, in terms of musical choice, emotional impact and just the pure fucking bleakness/hopelessness of everything.

Definitely. The song was "Feel Alright" by Steve Earle, who plays Bubs' sponsor and does "Way Down in the Hole" for the fifth season. I loved that montage.

[TheMojoPin]

Definitely. The song was "Feel Alright" by Steve Earle, who plays Bubs' sponsor and does "Way Down in the Hole" for the fifth season. I loved that montage.

Yeah, and that's why I'm really let down by this year's theme...it wasn't nearly as bad when I went back and re-watched the premier, but I'm still not afan of the music he has backing him. It seems too fast and overproduced.

[Furtherman]

HBO's The Wire: Why You Should Tap into It (http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Tvguidecoms-Strike-Survival/Hbos-Wire-Tap/800030184)

http://community.tvguide.com/servlet/ImgServlet?mx=220&attachImage=true&contentType=image%2Fjpeg&attachment=800011608&crop=false

[Knowledged_one]

HBO's The Wire: Why You Should Tap into It (http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Tvguidecoms-Strike-Survival/Hbos-Wire-Tap/800030184)

http://community.tvguide.com/servlet/ImgServlet?mx=220&attachImage=true&contentType=image%2Fjpeg&attachment=800011608&crop=false

this guy was such a jizzball as Desmond Mobey in OZ same with the other black cop who was a prison guard in OZ, but are great in The Wire

Also did anyone notice the guy who took over as head of Major Crimes last year was the same guy who was in Band of Brothers that freaked out as commander?

[Snoogans]

and bodie was on oz, freeman too. Also Carchetti's right hand man was on Oz. Herk was on Entourage for awhile, and Entourage even had Weebay one episode. HBO does this all the time

[Knowledged_one]

Freeman was on OZ? Who was he. I definetly remember Carcettis right hand man as the guy who took over for McManus on OZ

And Herc was even on an episode of OZ if you remember, he was killed by Hoyt and had the cell phone that the russian took

[Snoogans]

Freeman was on OZ? Who was he. I definetly remember Carcettis right hand man as the guy who took over for McManus on OZ

And Herc was even on an episode of OZ if you remember, he was killed by Hoyt and had the cell phone that the russian took

Freeman was only in for an episode or 2. I dont remember who, I just remember seeing it in his credits. I'm sure they did it a whole lot more. Even other shows, JFC was half deadwood, and Luke Perry had been on Oz.

[TheMojoPin]

Most of the Wire actors have been all over Homicide, the Law & Order shows and Oz over the years because they're mostly East Coast-based actors and those are some of the rare stubbornly East Coast-based shows. NYPD Blue was the whorish exception. As if I didn't hate that show enough, it insisted on getting mostly "Hollywood" actors even though it was supposed to be a hradcore NYC show.

[TheMojoPin]

Freeman was only in for an episode or 2. I dont remember who, I just remember seeing it in his credits. I'm sure they did it a whole lot more. Even other shows, JFC was half deadwood, and Luke Perry had been on Oz.

Freeman was only on one episode...he played an Afrocentric black community leader and was there for like 5 minutes, tops.

[Bay Ridge Tim]

David Bianculi has a great point in his blog today (http://www.tvworthwatching.com/blog/):

I love the opening credits to The Wire, which are a visual montage of images that, at first, don't make much sense. But each week, another image or two is infused with meaning - until, by the end of the season, it all makes sense. Just like the show itself.

[Snoogans]

yea that has kicked ass every season. I actually try to guess in my head sometimes, based on the pictures I dont recognize, what mighta happened

[TheMojoPin]

I like how the security camera footage of Bodie throwing the rock at it has carried over each season...though now it's ranomly in color.

[BrentfromTN1]

Damn I can not wait to see this on Sunday. I have Direct TV and it does not cary ON Demand so I have to wait (unless I find it online somehow, but I would rather see it on TV).

Does anyone know if it is shot in HD? It does not look like it will be in HD according to my program guide. I know this is a lame question, but I get pissed when stuff is not in HD now.

[Furtherman]

Great article on David Simon's motivation behind the new season.

In four previous seasons, "The Wire" chronicled this city's failing or corrupt institutions -- the police department, labor unions, City Hall, public schools -- that swallowed even the pure souls within them. (http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/TV/01/04/tv.thewire.media.ap/index.html)

Executive producer and lead writer David Simon's latest target is arguably his most personal. For its fifth and final season, which begins Sunday, "The Wire" ventures into the newsroom of The Sun, Baltimore's newspaper of record, where Simon worked for 13 years as a police reporter before he took a buyout in 1995.

[hammersavage]

Does anyone know if it is shot in HD? It does not look like it will be in HD according to my program guide. I know this is a lame question, but I get pissed when stuff is not in HD now.

It is not in HD. David Simon has said that since HD wasn't common when 'The Wire' began, he didn't want to switch over. He wanted the show to have the same look throughout.

[Freakshow]

this guy was such a jizzball as Desmond Mobey in OZ same with the other black cop who was a prison guard in OZ, but are great in The Wire


I read when he came in, he was auditioning for bubbles, but didn't get it. Then he got the daniels role. Can't get any more extreme than that.

The guy who plays Freeman was in The Corner, playing an addict.

[Knowledged_one]

Who has been the most tragic character in the series?

Wallace from Season 1
Ziggy from Season 2 or even his dad
Stringer Bell
Bubbles
McNulty
Randy
Bodie

God thinking back on it this show gets me so depressed about the tragedy of these charachters

Sad thing is, I am also from Bodymore, Murderland

[Snoogans]

Who has been the most tragic character in the series?

Wallace from Season 1
Ziggy from Season 2 or even his dad
Stringer Bell
Bubbles
McNulty
Randy
Bodie

God thinking back on it this show gets me so depressed about the tragedy of these charachters

Sad thing is, I am also from Bodymore, Murderland

Wallace fucked himself. He was gonna talk. Thats his own fault. Ziggy was just an asshole. The most unfortunate I would say is Bubs. No matter what reason, accidentally killin your boy will shake you

[Knowledged_one]

I guess its like McNulty said

Man play in dirt hes gonna get dirty

[TheGameHHH]

Bubbles, McNulty and Avon......in that order.

[Knowledged_one]

I think Bodie or maybe its through four seasons you see whats happened to him and everything that to see him just get popped like that just sucked

Without a doubt this show is probably the best TV show that i have ever seen in my life

Its gritty and raw like Hill Street Blues but with the HBO pay Cable realism

Plus its got the Bunk and

one of the best jokes i remember

Whats the most useless thing on a woman? A drunk Irishman

[TheGameHHH]

you wanna know what tradition i learned about from this show that i LOVE? when a police dies they take the body to that bar and lay him out on the pool table so for one last night he can drink with his friends. Is that only an old cop tradition? cause i think i want my friends to do that with me when i die.

[BrentfromTN1]

It is not in HD. David Simon has said that since HD wasn't common when 'The Wire' began, he didn't want to switch over. He wanted the show to have the same look throughout.

Thanks for the info. I guess that makes sense.

[Freakshow]

you wanna know what tradition i learned about from this show that i LOVE? when a police dies they take the body to that bar and lay him out on the pool table so for one last night he can drink with his friends. Is that only an old cop tradition? cause i think i want my friends to do that with me when i die.

I go to that bar all the time, it's called the Sidebar. It's the punk/indie club in Baltimore, my band plays there a lot.

Not sure about the cop tradition, though.

[Knowledged_one]

Here we go folks

[Knowledged_one]

a fucking copy machine that is classic

holy jesus that made me laugh

[Knowledged_one]

Gotta love drunk McNulty

[Knowledged_one]

Wow Meldrick from Homicide, good to see him again, but i wish he had his hat

[TheGameHHH]

I wanna fuck the hell out of the president of the city council. whats her name?

[Knowledged_one]

I think she goes by bitch or maybe sneaky bitch but i do agree with you, she looks like she likes angry rough sex

[TheGameHHH]

I think she goes by bitch or maybe sneaky bitch but i do agree with you, she looks like she likes angry rough sex

exactly.......i wanna do dirty, unspeakable shit to her. right on her desk.

[Knowledged_one]

so do you think her favorite bird is the duck, the swallow or the spotted owl

[Freakshow]

so do you think her favorite bird is the duck, the swallow or the spotted owl

I don't know, but Juan Dixon is going to come kick your ass for asking...

[TheMojoPin]

Oh...SHIT.

That was unexpected.

[TheGameHHH]

Oh...SHIT.

That was unexpected.

Avon, next episode...........that got me.

[El Mudo]

Copier scene had me ROLLING....haven't laughed that hard at a TV show in a long time

[MHasegawa]

haha, i knew sober mcnulty wouldnt last!

[Servo]

a fucking copy machine that is classic

holy jesus that made me laugh

Anybody else read the book Homicide by David Simon? I seem to remember that being a true story... they actually did that to a suspect.

[BoondockSaint]

Just watched Episode 2. WTF?

[hammersavage]

Loved episode 2. the ending with McNutty is awesome...

[Knowledged_one]

Seriously can we curtail any talk of the next episode till its on next week or put it in spoliers

Like Frank Costanza said - I like to go in fresh

[hammersavage]

i didn't think anything i said warranted spoilers. McNulty lives and the ending is good.

but in the future i will so nothing gets ruined.

[TheMojoPin]

Avon, next episode...........that got me.

Oh, was he in the trailer for the 2nd episode? ON Demand doesn't show those, so I was shook when he just showed up out of nowhere.

[BoondockSaint]

Oh, was he in the trailer for the 2nd episode? ON Demand doesn't show those, so I was shook when he just showed up out of nowhere.

Yes they do, after the credits. Next week looks insane.

[TheMojoPin]

Yes they do, after the credits. Next week looks insane.

Man, what the fuck? I'm getting gypped. Both episodes so far it's just cut back to the On Demand menu without any previews.

[Knowledged_one]

Thank you gentleman i do appreciate it since i am a bit of a whiny bitch on this

You guys are the tops

[Snoogans]

I couldnt believe Avon popped up, but I def was on point witht he Russian. WESTSIDE BITCH


my comment is in white for those who didnt see this yet

[Freakshow]

Man, what the fuck? I'm getting gypped. Both episodes so far it's just cut back to the On Demand menu without any previews.

We didn't get a preview on the first episode, but we got one after this one with On Demand.

[TheGameHHH]

I just finished the second episode. I love that OnDemand is doing this week early thing. When is it officially safe to start discussing the 2nd episode without using spoiler tags? Do we have to wait till sunday night to talk about how awesome it was?

[TheMojoPin]

I just finished the second episode. I love that OnDemand is doing this week early thing. When is it officially safe to start discussing the 2nd episode without using spoiler tags? Do we have to wait till sunday night to talk about how awesome it was?

Yes.

[Marc with a c]

episode two was bad ass. it just sucks this is going to be the last year.

how are they going to tie some of these storylines together?

[TheMojoPin]

episode two was bad ass. it just sucks this is going to be the last year.

how are they going to tie some of these storylines together?

Hey, how do they ever wrap up all of their storylines? So complex, yet every season has wrapped up both the season and even the potentially the series if it had ended then. Only the 4th season was a little openended with the bodies since they finally knew for sure before that season ended they were coming back for the final one, but even then the series could have ended almost perfectly.

[JimBeam]

I was only half-assed watching episode #2 OnDemand and I was lost :

What the hell was McNullty doing at the very end ? Was he making it look like a guy that died of an overdose had been murdered ?

I hope to God that Snoop dies at the end of this fucking series. She annoys me to no end.

Also I kinda like Chris' character but I hope he gets his as well.

Maybe by Omar if they decide to go after him.

[Marc with a c]

I was only half-assed watching episode #2 OnDemand and I was lost :

What the hell was McNullty doing at the very end ? Was he making it look like a guy that died of an overdose had been murdered ?

yeah that was weird. i'm assuming he was tying the baltimore county body and that guy together.

im just going off the choking and the serial killer comment he made to bunk

[TheMojoPin]

He's trying to "spice up" things to ideally put more pressure for somebody to step in...either the feds or the mayor's office with more money, anything to get major crimes kickstarted again.

[GonzoStyle]

I was only half-assed watching episode #2 OnDemand and I was lost :

What the hell was McNullty doing at the very end ? Was he making it look like a guy that died of an overdose had been murdered ?

I hope to God that Snoop dies at the end of this fucking series. She annoys me to no end.

Also I kinda like Chris' character but I hope he gets his as well.

Maybe by Omar if they decide to go after him.

I love Snoop, YAHEARD?!! I would totally sex her even though she looks like a 12 year old boy... possibly thats why.

[Knowledged_one]

I love Snoop, YAHEARD?!! I would totally sex her even though she looks like a 12 year old boy... possibly thats why.

Shes actually been in jail for like 2nd degree murder or something plus she likes girls

Gbanga (who plays chris) called in to the junkies one day and was talking about how the drug dealers hate the wire for filming in Baltimore because it takes away from their drug trade. He even said they were there waiting to shoot one day and the dealers had a new package and were handing out samples to the users to come back and get the new stuff when filming wrapped up

[Furtherman]

I love Snoop, YAHEARD?!! I would totally sex her even though she looks like a 12 year old boy... possibly thats why.

Shes actually been in jail for like 2nd degree murder or something plus she likes girls

Grace After Midnight: A Memoir (http://www.amazon.com/Grace-After-Midnight-Felicia-Pearson/dp/0446195189/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1199982276&sr=8-1)

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51NJSRJYNaL._AA240_.jpg

Born in Baltimore. Drug dealing dad, drug addicted mom. Killed in self defence. Spent time in prison and delt on the streets. She's the real deal. One of the producers of the show spotted her in a nightclub and the rest is history.


I love McNulty's approach to help the major crimes situation. But I don't like that it might drive a wedge between he and Bunk. Can't wait to see Clay Davis go down. Sheeeeeeeeeeeeet. Also... from the first episode... Herc working with Avon's lawyer? That was a suprise. I wonder if he'll stay when he realizes who he represents... or does Herc already know and not care?

[Knowledged_one]

it wasnt a producer it was the guy who plays Omar that spotted her and took her to the set

[Servo]

I love McNulty's approach to help the major crimes situation. But I don't like that it might drive a wedge between he and Bunk. Can't wait to see Clay Davis go down. Sheeeeeeeeeeeeet. Also... from the first episode... Herc working with Avon's lawyer? That was a suprise. I wonder if he'll stay when he realizes who he represents... or does Herc already know and not care?

I'm not sure if Herc knows or not who he's working for, but I don't think he'll care either way.

The scene with Clay Davis and Burrell was awesome! Pissed-off Clay is fantastic.

And it looks like the relationship between Bunk and McNulty won't be the same after this. If you saw the preview, when Bunk is saying "you're gonna go to jail for this shit," it looked like he was talking to Jimmy. Not good.

[Bay Ridge Tim]

Already posted this elsewhere on the second episode:
I'm going to lose it if Bubbles falls back into drugs. I'm really going to break down. Andre Royo has been so good over the five seasons. Every scene with him in ep2 was heartbreaking.

I know everyone is pissed at McNulty, but can we ignore that for a second and remember that the show's true hero is Lester. I loved seeing Lester back out on (unpaid) stakeout by himself. He is just good po-lice.

Another great scene: Clay Davis in full panic mode. I know it's The Wire, so we probably won't get what we want, but, damn, I hope he goes down hard.

[Furtherman]

Love Bubbs too. I wonder what he's going to "step up" too?

[GonzoStyle]

Shes actually been in jail for like 2nd degree murder or something plus she likes girls



Ok im even more in love now

[BoondockSaint]

Anyone know what time HBO OnDemand updates?

[Snoogans]

Anyone know what time HBO OnDemand updates?

midnight i believe

[BoondockSaint]

midnight i believe

Cool. I hope so.

[TheMojoPin]

I've found it's usually a little after...between 15-3 minutes after midnight.

I'll be watching tonight.

[TheGameHHH]

It's updated on my OnDemand now, but i'm waiting till tomorrow night to watch it.

[BoondockSaint]

Hmmmm...still not updated here.

[HBox]

It depends on when your Cable carrier decides to post it. Cablevision has done it anywhere from a day early to posting it Monday night. you never know if you have them.

[BoondockSaint]

I have Time Warner. It's still isn't updated.

[Bay Ridge Tim]

I have Time Warner in Brooklyn and it updated by 12:05.

I just watched it.
It was good.

[HBox]

It's up on Cablevision.

[TheMojoPin]

It was on Comcast in Chicago when I checked at like 12:03. Gonna go watch it now.

[HBox]

ashy Larry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bay Ridge Tim]

ashy Larry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seeing him yelling at Clay, "FOCUS, MOTHERFUCKER! FOCUS!!!" cracked me up.

[BoondockSaint]

I think Omar will just let the whole Butchie thing go. He seems like a forgive and forget kind of guy.

[Earlshog]

Episode two was tight, I'll have to watch it again tom as I was a little. okay a lot under the influence after a day watching ball and boozing.


Is it possible that old women that they found dead was Omars Grandmother? Maybe that was Marlos way of bringing him out of retirement.

[Servo]

Episode two was tight, I'll have to watch it again tom as I was a little. okay a lot under the influence after a day watching ball and boozing.


Is it possible that old women that they found dead was Omars Grandmother? Maybe that was Marlos way of bringing him out of retirement.

Pure speculation on my part based on what was shown in the preview for episode 3, but it looks like Marlo sends Chris to beat the shit out of Blind Butchie in order to bring Omar out.

[GonzoStyle]

This show is one of the few that just progressively gets better with each season, it never disappoints.

[TheMojoPin]

Damn, poor Butchie. That guy was great.

I loved Lester coming in to try and spice up McNulty's insane serial killer idea. Bunk's reactions were priceless.

Daniels' "past" comes up again...it was mentioned quite a few times in season one, and then maybe once more after, but now it's back. It still sounds financially based...was he taking money?

I'm laying good money that Marlo is killing either Cheese or Prop Joe or both in the trailer for episode four.

I love Tropical Omar! Dude dresses like Rose Kennedy! And Marlo going to pick up his money from the French bank teller was hysterical, especially after Joe's line about "tryin' to get him some culture."

Great, great episode. I'm gonnamiss this show so much.

[edtmac]

Curious to see what happens with the kid, Michael - questioning Marlo in the car to Snoop and Chris about the dude they are gonna kill. Something is gonna happens so it seems......
Love McNulty drinkin again - good stuff!!!

[Marc with a c]

Is it possible that old women that they found dead was Omars Grandmother? Maybe that was Marlos way of bringing him out of retirement.

fuck, i didn't even think of that.

and those spoilers are so fucking tempting, i hate you that have seen the third one.

[Snoogans]

thought that about the old lady too. Even said it to Mojo

[TheMojoPin]

Nah, the old lady isn't Omar's grandmother. They talk about her being alive in the next episode, plus she was nowhere near that fat.

[BoondockSaint]

Two other things about episode 3:

McNulty banging the chick on the hood of the car was hysterical.

The look on Omar's face at the very end was fantastic. He went from confused to about to cry to a death stare in about 3 seconds. It was just great.

[HBox]

The only thing that bothers me about this season:

They are going really over the top with the weaselly reporter. I knew from the first second I saw him on screen he was a problem and they've been ratcheting it up every episode.

[TheMojoPin]

The only thing that bothers me about this season:

They are going really over the top with the weaselly reporter. I knew from the first second I saw him on screen he was a problem and they've been ratcheting it up every episode.

Yeah, I'm a little let down if they really are going with the "oooooh, he fakes his stories" route. I prefer the slow burn of someone who really just skates by on flimsy stories that appeal to the bosses as opposed to someone who out ad out fakes his damn articles.

[EffMeBoobs]

Ok so not to ruin anything for myself or Lou, I went straight to posting a reply and not reading anything in this thread....to say one thing....I wish you guys weren't ahead of us by one episode because of on-demand. I asked Lou why don't we just watch it a week ahead like everyone else and his snotty reply was, "on-demand isn't HD and I refuse to watch it without HD." He's a snob.

[BoondockSaint]

Ok so not to ruin anything for myself or Lou, I went straight to posting a reply and not reading anything in this thread....to say one thing....I wish you guys weren't ahead of us by one episode because of on-demand. I asked Lou why don't we just watch it a week ahead like everyone else and his snotty reply was, "on-demand isn't HD and I refuse to watch it without HD." He's a snob.

I don't think the Wire is shot in HD.

[EffMeBoobs]

I don't think the Wire is shot in HD.

No we have an HD projector so when we watch it live, it's in HD. He checked that when you do on-demand, it's not HD.

[HBox]

No we have an HD projector so when we watch it live, it's in HD. He checked that when you do on-demand, it's not HD.

It's not shot in HD. Yeah, when you watch it on HBO HD it's being upconverted but it started at the same resolution that ends up on regular HBO and on Demand.

[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, how could you possibly watch something in HD that's never been shot in HD?

[EffMeBoobs]

Well Lou claims that yes it was never shot in HD it is being upconverted so that's how he wants to watch it. When you do the on-demand thingy it's not upconverted. This is straight from the nerd's mouth.

[Marc with a c]

lou is a crazy asshole with glasses

[EffMeBoobs]

lou is a crazy asshole with glasses

Finally someone I can confide in.

[Marc with a c]

Finally someone I can confide in.

i can be your bunk

[Freakshow]

:furious:

Comcast fucking up. It was unwatchable with shitty digital skips or something. So glad I have DirecTV at home. And they're going to start doing inDemand stuff too.

:furious: :furious:

[Furtherman]

Lester taking McNulty's side was great. C'mon Bunk, get with the program!

And here comes pissed off Omar. Damn, he was livin' all nice in PR and Marlo had to fuck up his shit.

McNulty on the sauce again is funny... and that scene on the car was hysterical... but.. I was rooting for he and Beatrice to stay together. When he showed up at her door in last season's finale I thought that was great.

I guess if the city don't change, why should the people.

[GonzoStyle]

the whole aspect of people jumping ahead and people being left behind is more confusing than back to the future 2.

[Knowledged_one]

I agree wouldnt it be more fun if you all didnt have to post the shit in stupid spoiler text?

In the end we will get an extra week of goodness at the last episode as you all are one ahead of us.

But to each their own

[HBox]

I LOVE this guy! (http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jan/14/obama-gloves-off/)

Michael Kostroff, an actor who was in town to volunteer for Obama and had a chance to meet him, told the Sun that Obama’s favorite TV show is his own: HBO’s “The Wire,” which chronicles Baltimore’s violent drug culture and the police who quixotically try to stop it. Obama told the Sun his favorite character is Omar, a stick-up artist who steals from drug dealers and then gives the loot to poor people in the neighborhood.
“That’s not an endorsement. He’s not my favorite person, but he’s a fascinating character.”



Vote for this man VOTE FOR HIM YOU FOOLS!!!!

[TheMojoPin]

Goddamn, I'm 110% sold on him now.

[Snoogans]

Yeah, I'm a little let down if they really are going with the "oooooh, he fakes his stories" route. I prefer the slow burn of someone who really just skates by on flimsy stories that appeal to the bosses as opposed to someone who out ad out fakes his damn articles.

i would hate it more if it didnt piss off that stupid thieving bitch Norice

[Snoogans]

I LOVE this guy! (http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jan/14/obama-gloves-off/)





Vote for this man VOTE FOR HIM YOU FOOLS!!!!

is it possible to change my party before the NJ Primary so i can vote for him

[HBox]

This article sheds some light on this season, especially this portion (remember, this was printed before the season premiere): (http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200801/bowden-wire)

But this was just a minor swipe: the final season of The Wire will offer Simon the chance to take on his old enemies from The Sun directly. An article that appeared in the October 2000 issue of Brill’s Content hinted at the tack he may take and went to the core of what he says are his objections to the pair. It featured Simon, then five years removed from the paper and well into his enormously successful second career, making the case that a widely respected Sun reporter, protected by Carroll and Marimow, was making up stories and distorting the truth in a hell-bent effort to turn a series on lead-paint poisoning into a competitive Pulitzer submission. Simon felt the editors purposefully ignored the misgivings of some of the newspaper’s veteran reporters in an effort to bolster their new star. To the editors, it was a case of an aggressive reporter who had made a few mistakes in pursuit of an important story. To Simon, it was an example of all that was wrong with the remade newspaper, and a reminder of the clash over journalistic values that had led him to quit in the first place.

I'm gonna be safe and spoiler that because I think I just figured out the ultimate conclusion for one of the characters.

[Snoogans]

This article sheds some light on this season, especially this portion (remember, this was printed before the season premiere): (http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200801/bowden-wire)

But this was just a minor swipe: the final season of The Wire will offer Simon the chance to take on his old enemies from The Sun directly. An article that appeared in the October 2000 issue of Brill’s Content hinted at the tack he may take and went to the core of what he says are his objections to the pair. It featured Simon, then five years removed from the paper and well into his enormously successful second career, making the case that a widely respected Sun reporter, protected by Carroll and Marimow, was making up stories and distorting the truth in a hell-bent effort to turn a series on lead-paint poisoning into a competitive Pulitzer submission. Simon felt the editors purposefully ignored the misgivings of some of the newspaper’s veteran reporters in an effort to bolster their new star. To the editors, it was a case of an aggressive reporter who had made a few mistakes in pursuit of an important story. To Simon, it was an example of all that was wrong with the remade newspaper, and a reminder of the clash over journalistic values that had led him to quit in the first place.

I'm gonna be safe and spoiler that because I think I just figured out the ultimate conclusion for one of the characters.
explains that one guys joke about how he is off to write the next great american novel

[Freakshow]

I don't think the weasely reporter guy is over the top. Wasn't there a bunch of people like that in real life--at the Post and maybe the Times. I think he's commenting about how that's how people are going to deal when stuff gets cut--the constant repeating of more with less (so that's not really that subtle).

Lester's reaction was unexpected, that's for sure.

[TheMojoPin]

Say it ain't so.

SAY IT AIN'T SO.

[EffMeBoobs]

i can be your bunk

Then you must have the most beloved junk.

[EffMeBoobs]

This season's opening song is sung by Steve Earle who plays Waylon, Bubble's sponsor. I'm not really sure if I like it yet, I guess it has to grow on me. How do you guys feel about it?

[PapaBear]

This season's opening song is sung by Steve Earle who plays Waylon, Bubble's sponsor. I'm not really sure if I like it yet, I guess it has to grow on me. How do you guys feel about it?
Wow. I had no idea that was him. I'm not a fan of his version of the song, but I'm a Steve Earl fan. I knew his voice sounded familiar for some reason.

[TheMojoPin]

I don't think the weasely reporter guy is over the top. Wasn't there a bunch of people like that in real life--at the Post and maybe the Times. I think he's commenting about how that's how people are going to deal when stuff gets cut--the constant repeating of more with less (so that's not really that subtle).

Lester's reaction was unexpected, that's for sure.

Apparently there was a young Sun reporter almost 10 years ago that got busted for making up parts of his stories, and David Simon was one of the first to really call him out on it. The reporter was kind of a golden boy with management and the editors at the paper, and they were initially very protective of him because he was one of the more popular voices the paper had. Sounds like this is the basis of the young reporter making up quotes on the show.

Here's a something on it. (http://www.citypaper.com/bob/story.asp?id=564)

Here's a little bit more. (http://www.citypaper.com/news/story.asp?id=10193)

The Sun is definitely not happy about how it is being portrayed by Simon and co. this season. (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-md.vozzella06jan06,0,2145567.column)

Tha said, part of me is a little bugged that the various newspaer characters have been so relatively one dimnsional compared to the other groups we've seen throughout the show's run. So far they're all very clearly presented as either "good" or "bad"...greedy and sensationalistic or hopelessly noble and dedicated to real journalism. There's no gray area like we've seen with all the other groups. I understand Simon's anger and frustration over what happened to his paper...I agree with pretty much all of his gripes when it comes to modern American journalism...but I think that his resentment has tainted the characterization of the journlism aspect of the show. It's not bad, but it's not nearly as great as everything we've seen so far. I find it interesting, but all the characters in that world are too neatly divided between good and bad.

[TheMojoPin]

Wow. I had no idea that was him. I'm not a fan of his version of the song, but I'm a Steve Earl fan. I knew his voice sounded familiar for some reason.

I've warmed up on it a bit, but it's still my least favorite version. I like a lot of Steve Earle songs, but the production and musical backing for his version of the theme sounds horrid. His voice is just fine, but I wish he had stuck to his usual alt.country/blues style as opposed to whatever half-assed drum machine/Casio combo they went for.

Last bit of complaining...I'm still loving this season, I guess I just might be over-critical since it's the end. That said, McNulty's serial killer plot strikes me as pretty over the top, even for him. I guess maybe you can blame the booze fueling his ager and stress and making go over the edge, as it were, but Lester jumping onboard seems ridiculous. It's entertaining, but Lester has come down hard on McNulty in the past for being to stubborn or rash when it comes to the red tape of their bosses and his frustrations over stagnant cases. This seems like a real long shot for them to be able to reopen the Marlo case...if aything, it would just give major crimes a little more money and manpower to go after this phantom serial killer, not Marlo. Yeah, I know McNulty is a guy who bends the rules when he needs to, but despite he's always been shown to be a really damn good cop, and a smart one. This is just stupid on his part...I suppose they might be setting him up for a big fall, and knowing this show, I dread as to what that might be.

Anyone else wach episode 4 yet?

I am in mourning.

[Bay Ridge Tim]

Say it ain't so.

SAY IT AIN'T SO.

Episode 4 spoilers:
That last scene. Damn. Damn. Just damn.

[TheMojoPin]

Episode 4 spoilers:
That last scene. Damn. Damn. Just damn.


Though in the end, that's just Marlo being Marlo. I'm pissed at Cheese, goddammit. HOW COULD YOU, CHEESE?!? He was family!

[BoondockSaint]

Sweet Jesus.

[BoondockSaint]

Anyone else think that Omar and Slim get together to go after Marlo and Cheese?

[TheMojoPin]

Anyone else think that Omar and Slim get together to go after Marlo and Cheese?

Nah, I don't think so. Slim has been too much of a practical realist since he showed up in season 3. His main goals seem to be to make money and stay alive. If he ever went after Marlo, it would simply be to grab territory, but he's smart enough to realize he doesn't have the muscle to do that, not even close. That's why nobody has been able to take down Marlo so far...he's too powerful. Omar has a rep, but he's not superman. Slim Charles wouldn't take that risk.

I'll bet Omar manages to take out Cheese and even Snoop ad Chris, but I'll also bet something happens like he then gets killed by Michael...or he even kills Michael, but then out of left field Dookie kills Omar out of revenge. We see Michael shooting Dookie to shoot in the previews for week 5, so who knows? I just always expect the unexpected with this show. I have a feeling that Marlo stays free and alive.

I'm also getting the impression that something REALLY bad is gonna happen to McNulty, either fired or in jail or dead. He's on a serious crash, and it is not going to end well for him.

[Furtherman]

I am in mourning.

Me too.

Shit Shit Shit I really liked that guy. Damn I was pissed but I guess you have a point Mojo... that's Marlo being Marlo. He's a true psychopath. And yea, CHEESE! Fuck cheese... I'm shocked he did that. But oh I cannot wait because hell hath no fury like an Omar scorned. And if you saw the previews for next week... something is going to go down and I'd guess that Marlo is going to be short some crew members.


DAMN. That ending really got to me.

[TheGameHHH]

Jesus, episode 4 was amazing.

[Furtherman]

OK... for those who didn't see episode 4... read no further.


But for those who did... something has been bothering me about Marlo and Prop Joe.

Was there a strategic purpose behind killing him? I guess he gets the Greek's connection, and East Side corners. But he could have done that on his own, right? Or is he just a total psycho who wants all of Baltimore to himself? Because I can't see the Co-op letting him execute them one by one. Like Bodie said, he's killing just because he can.

I don't know... I guess it just bothered me that Prop Joe had to go. But I guess that's the game, right?

[TheMojoPin]

OK... for those who didn't see episode 4... read no further.


But for those who did... something has been bothering me about Marlo and Prop Joe.

Was there a strategic purpose behind killing him? I guess he gets the Greek's connection, and East Side corners. But he could have done that on his own, right? Or is he just a total psycho who wants all of Baltimore to himself? Because I can't see the Co-op letting him execute them one by one. Like Bodie said, he's killing just because he can.

I don't know... I guess it just bothered me that Prop Joe had to go. But I guess that's the game, right?

Prop Joe brought Marlo into the co-op to basically protect himself and the other members. Marlo clearly had more muscle than any one of them, and was much better at getting people dead. Sure, they could unite against him, but it would be a war and that's bad for business and any one of them could end up dead or in jail because of it. Bringing in Marlo was Joe's way of ideally controling him. Now that Marlo has the source for the good drugs, he doesn't need Joe, and Joe out of the way means more territory and more manpower and more money. I'm sure Marlo wouldn't mind if the rest of the co-op was dead, but he's probably smart enough to realize that killing them all would just make him the only target, to the cops and the streets. Joe was the biggest opponent to him taking the next big step up.

[Furtherman]

Ok, that sounds right. But Prop Joe seemed to be in charge of the co-op... or at least running the meetings and settlings disputes. He's one of the few who wouldn't bicker... and now with him gone... I think the co-op could fall apart. I guess we'll see.

[BoondockSaint]

I'm gonna miss Hungry Man. He was the best.

[scottinnj]

Wait a minute. When did Prop Joe get wasted? The last episode I saw had Omar and his special buddy receiving the news of Butchie being killed by Marlo's team, Chris and Snoop. I have Directv. Are we an episode behing or something?

[BoondockSaint]

Wait a minute. When did Prop Joe get wasted? The last episode I saw had Omar and his special buddy receiving the news of Butchie being killed by Marlo's team, Chris and Snoop. I have Directv. Are we an episode behing or something?

OnDemand has it a week early. That's the reason for the spoilers.

[scottinnj]

Dammit! I'll have to avoid this thread. I'll see you in a week. Does the On Demand feature you guys have broadcast the final episode a week early too?


But it really wasn't a surprise to me though. I kind of saw that coming.

[TheMojoPin]

Ok, that sounds right. But Prop Joe seemed to be in charge of the co-op... or at least running the meetings and settlings disputes. He's one of the few who wouldn't bicker... and now with him gone... I think the co-op could fall apart. I guess we'll see.

Prop Joe was the defacto leader because he was the main source for the good dope. I guess maybe Marlo is now the leader by default, if he wants it.