The Wire

[Earlshog]

Did you notice that one of the homeless dudes worked on the docs season 2?

Joe’s last conversation with Cheese is stressing the importance of family.
Cheese how could you, you rat fuck. His last proposition fell on deaf ears, you knew Marlo was going to take him out for putting Omar on that card game. Nothing gets past that ruthless fuck.

So you think they will get rid of Joes body so know one knows he was killed? He did tell the co-op hew was going on the lamb.

[HBox]

Dammit! I'll have to avoid this thread. I'll see you in a week. Does the On Demand feature you guys have broadcast the final episode a week early too?

That's how it worked last season.

[ChimneyFish]

My Pops got me Seaons 1-4 for my birthday, so I am a happy little lad.

My favorite part about last week was that smirk on Marlos face. That motherfucker really enjoyed seeing Prop Joe getting taken out.

[Servo]

Did you notice that one of the homeless dudes worked on the docs season 2?


Yes! Johnny Fifty!

[TheMojoPin]

Yes! Johnny Fifty!

Oh wow, I totally missed that. I gotta go back and see...makes sense that they would use him. Dude is actually a prop guy on the series, I think.

[BoondockSaint]

Do you still think Omar ain't Superman?

[HBox]

This whole fake serial killer thing is now heading very fast into spectacular disaster.

[BoondockSaint]

This whole fake serial killer thing is now heading very fast into spectacular disaster.


I'm going to be pissed if McNulty and Freeman get fucked trying to catch a punk like Marlo but I can totally see that happening.

[Servo]

Anyone think that Freamon and McNulty will learn that Vondas and the Greek are back in town and try to go after them as well?

[HBox]

I think we got the king of all SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET last night too.

And I wonder what the fuck was going on in the last scene with Freamon and the wiretap.

[BoondockSaint]

I think we got the king of all SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET last night too.

And I wonder what the fuck was going on in the last scene with Freamon and the wiretap.

I think it was a text message.

[TheMojoPin]

I think it was a text message.

Correct. Which they figured out how to deal with in season 2 with the Greeks, though the cops were always playing catchup with them.

OK, Omar's miracle escape was my first official "what the fuck was THAT shit" moment of this series. There better be a damn good explanation for how he survived next week, because right now that's looking like some stupid, stupid TV.

Loved the scene with McNulty and the reporter lying their asses off about the serial killer...though man, McNulty is just looking worse and worse. Things are going to end so shittily for him. I had a random flash of him slamming drunkingly into a wall with his car when he was drinking while meeting with Lester.

I am now more convinced than ever that Dookie kills Omar. Omar will likely get Chris and/or Snoop, but I think he definitely kills Michael. Dookie flips out and shoots Omar, which Omar wouldn't expect at all because he's looking out for the real killers gunning for him.

[GonzoStyle]

Any more blackouts in this thread and the brothers are gonna start looting

[Marc with a c]

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[TheMojoPin]

OK, the great Omar leap is still driving me nuts. I rewatched the episode and that scene is just insane. Don't tell me he caught a lower down railing...that shit's probably even more unlikely than surviving what looked to be a 5-6 floor drop. Yeah, I know plenty of people have survived worse falls, but it just seems so out of place in a show like this. I guess maybe his adrenaline was pumping, which could keep him from bein felled by his injuries, at least for a short while...assuming both legs weren't injured or broken.

Supposedly one of the real life inspirations for Omar, Donnie Anrews, survived a jump from the Batimore towers that the towers from the first two seasons of the show were based on...depending on the legend, as high as 14 stories up. Even so, such a thing is just kind of lame on a show like this.

Hell, the whole scene was dumb. I think Chris, Michael and Snoop pumped at least 30 bullets into Omar's cover...A FUCKING COUCH. Close quarters, not really dark at all, he's cornered behind a motherfucking couch, and he doesn't get hit? And then he runs right through a goddamn window, which would cut him the fuck up, and then jumps 5-6 stories to the ground and is able to scramble away in SECONDS before they see him from the balcony? Complete horseshit. That's some sloppy 24 garbage.

I've loved Omar's character, but his survival has gotten ridiculous. If he isn't dead by the end of the series, I'm gonna be pissed.

[Snoogans]

OK, the great Omar leap is still driving me nuts. I rewatched the episode and that scene is just insane. Don't tell me he caught a lower down railing...that shit's probably even more unlikely than surviving what looked to be a 5-6 floor drop. Yeah, I know plenty of people have survived worse falls, but it just seems so out of place in a show like this. I guess maybe his adrenaline was pumping, which could keep him from bein felled by his injuries, at least for a short while...assuming both legs weren't injured or broken.

Supposedly one of the real life inspirations for Omar, Donnie Anrews, survived a jump from the Batimore towers that the towers from the first two seasons of the show were based on...depending on the legend, as high as 14 stories up. Even so, such a thing is just kind of lame on a show like this.

Hell, the whole scene was dumb. I think Chris, Michael and Snoop pumped at least 30 bullets into Omar's cover...A FUCKING COUCH. Close quarters, not really dark at all, he's cornered behind a motherfucking couch, and he doesn't get hit? And then he runs right through a goddamn window, which would cut him the fuck up, and then jumps 5-6 stories to the ground and is able to scramble away in SECONDS before they see him from the balcony? Complete horseshit. That's some sloppy 24 garbage.

I've loved Omar's character, but his survival has gotten ridiculous. If he isn't dead by the end of the series, I'm gonna be pissed.
Omar caught a clothes line

[Furtherman]

I think we got the king of all SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET last night too.

Probably the last time we're gonna hear it, so he made it a good one! HA! Oh Clay, how I will miss your weasley ways.

As for Omar... how high was he up? Four stories? There was grass, a flowerbed... yea, it seemed over the top but it is feasable he could have survived. Hit the ground, then rolled under their view. But to hit the ground, and then get up and run... now that's really pushing it. But I'll see how it pans out before I call crap on it. It was fun as hell to watch though. Fly Omar, fly!!

And huge props to Herc for lifting that number. It was obvious he was going to do it but I love the fact that he's still itching to get Marlo even after the force screwed him.

[ChimneyFish]

I don't think the idea of Omar catching a lower railing is that unbelievable. I would believe that more than him being able to run after that fall.

As for him not getting hit behind the couch, I would agree.
Anyone notice if he was wearing a vest????

[TheMojoPin]

I don't think the idea of Omar catching a lower railing is that unbelievable. I would believe that more than him being able to run after that fall.

As for him not getting hit behind the couch, I would agree.
Anyone notice if he was wearing a vest????

Yeah, he was, but fuck the vest. They easily pumped 30-40 shots into the couch. And no fucking way did he grab a railing. Dude busts out full tilt and take a flying leap off the balcony, way past the outer wall or any railings. The only place he's going is slamming into the ground.

[HBox]

He was facing the opposite way when he jumped out the window. He would have to turn around in midair and come back, breaking all sorts of laws of physics.

[TheMojoPin]

He was facing the opposite way when he jumped out the window. He would have to turn around in midair and come back, breaking all sorts of laws of physics.

Exactly. Why did they have the scene staged that high up? Put it on like a second floor apartment.

[Snoogans]

Exactly. Why did they have the scene staged that high up? Put it on like a second floor apartment.

HE CAUGHT A FUCKIN CLOTHES LINE BEFORE HITTING THE GROUND. It broke but it broke his fall enough before that he just landed and ran away

[RodneyHarrison]

Rodney Harrison did that once and the ground broke

[TheMojoPin]

HE CAUGHT A FUCKIN CLOTHES LINE BEFORE HITTING THE GROUND. It broke but it broke his fall enough before that he just landed and ran away

Have you seen the 6th episode? Because nothing like that is seen in the 5th.

[Snoogans]

I just know, plus

When they lean over you can clearly see a rope on the ground on what would be below the flowers when you are lookin down. Go watch again

[TheMojoPin]

I just know, plus

When they lean over you can clearly see a rope on the ground on what would be below the flowers when you are lookin down. Go watch again

Lies.

[TheGameHHH]

I just watched it and theres no logical for way for Omar to make that leap and be able to run away. So either A) he hit the ground and rolled to cover, which I don't buy cause Chris ran downstairs and he would have found Omar laying on the ground, or B) He caught a clothing line like Snoogans said. Other then that, in my mind it was a stupid ass scene and im disappointed in it.

[TheMojoPin]

Batmar.

[Snoogans]

You guys didnt see him take the grapling hook off his beltand then turned and shot it at the roof. Just in time he was able to swing on that and land directly in the front seat of his car. It was so obvious

[Knowledged_one]

I could never figure out why Method Man (cheese) is with Marlow in my sig pic after watching last weeks show now i know why

Poor Prop Joe

My favorite line was the lawyer: Joseph, looking quite prosperous

[TheMojoPin]

If someone made me a Cheese sig pic with his quote about midgets having the best ass and pussy, I'd plotz.

Love his scene with Brother Mouzone in season 2, too.

"Yo, my name rings out, too!"

"And you are?"

"CHEESE, yo."

And all his great scenes with Ziggy and Nick...damn, Cheese was the man. What a sellout.

[Freakshow]

Omar is Keyser Söze

[marky2bucks]

Any more blackouts in this thread and the brothers are gonna start looting

:lol:

That lawyer is the lowest form of life on that show. Every crooked politician, murderer or drug dealer is a saint compared to this guy.

[Earlshog]

Rodney Harrison did that once and the ground broke


that HGH is one hell of a drug

[BACH16207]

Batmar.

The true "Dark Knight"

[BACH16207]

He was facing the opposite way when he jumped out the window. He would have to turn around in midair and come back, breaking all sorts of laws of physics.

I think it is "The Magical Negro Theory" back and to the left!

[Freakshow]

Anyone else think that Bunk is going to nail Marlo (or Chris/Snoop) while McNulty, Lester, and everyone is doing all the extra crap? It could be setting up that he solves it with good old-fashioned police work...

It was funny to see the report guy do a real story. I think it's setting up David Simon's next project, something with Iraq

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[Furtherman]

Was that Nick at the waterfront ceremony yelling at Carcetti?!?!

I thought he went into witness protection... or at least had to leave town. That's why I love this show.

So Omar was smart and didn't go too far. But it didn't seem like his leg was broken, because we was limping along alright towards the end. But damn he's going all Commando on Marlo. It's gonna be some showdown.

[Bay Ridge Tim]

[QUOTE=Pepperjack;1613961]Anyone else think that Bunk is going to nail Marlo (or Chris/Snoop) while McNulty, Lester, and everyone is doing all the extra crap? It could be setting up that he solves it with good old-fashioned police work...

Don't leave Kima Greggs out of this. I think she might take down that triple murder while McNulty and Lester are chasing their tails.

[BoondockSaint]

I heard that in this weeks episode Marlo goes to the Greeks to buy some kryptonite to protect him from SuperOmar.

[HBox]

I have a feeling Lester is willing to let McNulty hang and take the fall if he can get Marlo.

[Neckbeard]

Clay Davis, WHUT.

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiit.

[tbonesteak]

[QUOTE=Pepperjack;1613961]Anyone else think that Bunk is going to nail Marlo (or Chris/Snoop) while McNulty, Lester, and everyone is doing all the extra crap? It could be setting up that he solves it with good old-fashioned police work...

Don't leave Kima Greggs out of this. I think she might take down that triple murder while McNulty and Lester are chasing their tails.

That's a great call. Either one of them could him down. But I would put my money on Bunk. McNulty is going down hard. I see prison in his future. Him and that ridiculous reporter.

Also, did anyone notice Detective Munch sitting in the bar? He was in the background but I coulda sworn it was him.

[BoondockSaint]

[QUOTE=Bay Ridge Tim;1614522]

That's a great call. Either one of them could him down. But I would put my money on Bunk. McNulty is going down hard. I see prison in his future. Him and that ridiculous reporter.

Also, did anyone notice Detective Munch sitting in the bar? He was in the background but I coulda sworn it was him.


Are you talking about Richard Belzer? That was great. He was arguing with the bartender about settling up his tab.

[Furtherman]

I'm not sure how I feel about this direction the show is going in. It's crazy and keeps me on the edge of my seat... but like McNulty said, it's far bigger that I could have imagined.

The show worked so well when everybody was getting screwed. Now they're getting fooled, and McNulty is smiling about it. And Bunk is pissed. You don't piss off The Bunk.

I just hope Lester and McNulty are able to wrap up this whole homeless killer facade neatly... but that doesn't look like where it's going.

Clay Davis was hysterical.... but it looks like he's going to get off!

Shit, I'm sorry your honor! Hahaha.

Omar still hobbling around. He's gonna lose that leg.

[Servo]

Clay Davis was hysterical.... but it looks like he's going to get off!

Shit, I'm sorry your honor! Hahaha.


I think he already did... it looked like it from that scene on the courthouse steps where he was celebrating and says "the people have spoken." I think the implication was the jury had already acquitted him.

By the way, how long was it since they indicted him? A couple of weeks? That's a pretty quick trial if you ask me.

[Snoogans]

I think he already did... it looked like it from that scene on the courthouse steps where he was celebrating and says "the people have spoken." I think the implication was the jury had already acquitted him.

By the way, how long was it since they indicted him? A couple of weeks? That's a pretty quick trial if you ask me.

Thats cause dumbas Bond was tryin to grandstand and make a name for himself. he shoulda let the FEDs take the case.

[Freakshow]

Sidebar is back this episode. We could see the Frisbee on the wall, but there wasn't any shot where you could see it. I was told it was going to be in the last episode, so I wonder if they use the bar again.

[TheMojoPin]

I have a feeling Omar's end is coming soon. He's breaking his codes...that murder of Savino was straight cold blooded. The only other time he's killed someone totally at his mercy was Stringer, and that was payback for something Stringer himself ordered. All the other killings hae been in shootouts or in defense. The murder of Savino was different...I was very struck by it when it happened. Plus, Omar is swearing. The dude never swears. He's gwetting sloppy and desperate and something is gonna happen out of nowhere.

[TheMojoPin]

Damn. I thought it was gonna be Dukie, but that was still pretty close. RIP, Omar.

[runnerkid]

i dont know how to do the black box, so ill post in white...

I think the Greeks are gonna kill Marlo. They are the ones who gave him this cell. They seemed way to easy with the transition, and they were tight with prop Joe.

McNutty makes me so fucking nervous these days. I can't watch him without tons of anxiety.

[El Mudo]

I can't believe he's gone....wow...Mojo nailed it...


RIP.....

[BoondockSaint]

Damn, gonna miss Omar. He was one of the best characters ever on a tv show. Can't believe there's only two episodes left.

[TheMojoPin]

Damn, gonna miss Omar. He was one of the best characters ever on a tv show. Can't believe there's only two episodes left.

Now the countdown to McNulty's death begins. I say he eats his own gun with Beadie leaving him. He'll probably get busted on the serial killer and that's all she wrote. Those short prequels were of Prop Joe and Omar...both of whom kicked it. The third one is of McNulty meting Bunk, but I don't see how Bunk could end up dead without it being really cheesy...unless he and McNulty go on a bender and end up in a drunken wreck. Hmmmmmmmmmmm...

[HBox]

omgwtfbbq

[El Mudo]

Now the countdown to McNulty's death begins. I say he eats his own gun with Beadie leaving him. He'll probably get busted on the serial killer and that's all she wrote. Those short prequels were of Prop Joe and Omar...both of whom kicked it. The third one is of McNulty meting Bunk, but I don't see how Bunk could end up dead without it being really cheesy...unless he and McNulty go on a bender and end up in a drunken wreck. Hmmmmmmmmmmm...




Train tracks....their old hangout....

[TheMojoPin]

Train tracks....their old hangout....

While I could see how it would be written, it would be a bit much for a show like this. Bunk dying would push it into the territory of Oz's last season, where they were killing too many people just because it was the end. McNulty offing himself or dying on his own in a drunken accident "fits" based on what we've seeon of the character for 5 years now. Bunk dying would just be so random and doesn't really fit anything and would be like killing him just because everything is wrapping up.

Omar's death makes not mind the whole Superman escape as much. It makes me think they set it up to prop up the myth of Omar, but then contrasted it by showing that the game can get anyone, no matter how big their rep is.

[Freakshow]

Wearin' black tomorrow.

[Crippler]

Wow, can't believe Omar went out at the hands of a youngin'. But, as someone just said (Mojo I think but I'm not re-reading all the damn spoiler text)...just shows that the game can get anyone at anytime.

I started thinking he was going to get it when he called out the dude behind the 4th door & then bent over to pick up the bag they threw out to him. I thought he would get it in the head while he bent down. The scene just had that feeling...that his end was near. Then when he was yelling to no one in particular on the abandoned corner, it was kind of sad, like he didn't know where to go next to try to find Marlo.

All the Omar shock aside, was anyone else laughing their balls off during the FBI profiler's description of the Serial Killer, which described McNulty so well even he almost had to laugh?

And on the heels of Richard Belzer talking about previously owning a bar in the last episode (and Clark Johnson being a big part of this season as Sun editor), another tip of the cap to "Homicide: Life on the Streets" that gave me that warm feeling in the cockles of the heart when Dookie was pissed on by another young corner kid & called an A-RAB'er. For a minute I couldn't remember where I had heard the term before. Then it hit me...the arabber who was accused of killing 11 year old Adina Watson and Detective Bayliss' first big case. And it only hit me because I remembered wondering what the hell an A-RAB'er was the first time around. Until it was said for the 10th time & someone finally pronounced it right & I could google it I was completely confused. Everyone referring to what I thought was an Arab, but the suspect was an old black man. Ah, good times.

Damn, I'm going to miss this show when it's gone. Can't believe that time is almost here.

[Furtherman]

Omar getting taken out by that kid punk? McNulty is deeper shit. Yea, that FBI profile scene was great. 2 episodes left. I grieve for Omar. I worry for McNulty. I don't see how this can end well.

[marky2bucks]

Wait, nobody is asking the big question. Why did the coroner switch the toe tags in the morgue ? My only guess is the coroner is trying to propogate the myth of Omar.

Yes, profiler part LOL

I miss Omar

[Furtherman]

Wait, nobody is asking the big question. Why did the coroner switch the toe tags in the morgue ? My only guess is the coroner is trying to propogate the myth of Omar.

Actually, I think the coroner corrected a mistake. The fat white guy originally had Omar, and he switched the tags so that Omar was labeled right.

Indeed.

[TheMojoPin]

Actually, I think the coroner corrected a mistake. The fat white guy originally had Omar, and he switched the tags so that Omar was labeled right.

Indeed.

Right, he was just correcting a mistake.

Omar's death reflects how over the series the writers, especially George Pelacanos, have tried to write Omar and specific scenes with him like classic Old West films and legends, and his death is very much in that vein. Like Wild Bill, Billy the Kid or Jesse James, it's a myth being brought down in a very sudden and violent but ultimately mundane way that contrasts wih their legendary status.

[BoondockSaint]

If you watch it again, Omar isn't limping when he walked in the store. Why not? Because it was his twin brother!

[TheGameHHH]

I would have liked to see Omar continue his hunt a little longer, maybe at least get Chris and/or Snoop, I've had enough of those bitches. But his death makes sense on a lot of levels, so obviously it was his time to go. McNulty needs to go now, I'm getting a little tired of how inconsistent his character can be. First he's psycho and passionate about about setting up the whole serial killer angle, all while boozing harder then anyone i've ever seen in my life, then out of the blue he's realized he's created a monster and he becomes regretful of his decisions (something McNulty has never really done) and he hasn't had a drink in forever. They just aren't consistent with his character and it annoys me, so I wanna see him dead. I couldn't help but really enjoy the behavior analysis the FBI gave.

[Furtherman]

McNulty needs to go now, I'm getting a little tired of how inconsistent his character can be. First he's psycho and passionate about about setting up the whole serial killer angle, all while boozing harder then anyone i've ever seen in my life, then out of the blue he's realized he's created a monster and he becomes regretful of his decisions (something McNulty has never really done) and he hasn't had a drink in forever. They just aren't consistent with his character and it annoys me, so I wanna see him dead. I couldn't help but really enjoy the behavior analysis the FBI gave.

That's just it... he came up with the serial killer while he was on a bender. Now, in the last two episodes, you haven't seen him drink. He's sobered up... realized he's losing Beanie and possibly his job. That's why he's regretful. We've seen him regretful before.

[Knowledged_one]

I liked how they had Munch in the cop bar complaining about consipriacy theories in the cop bar, a good omage to Homicide Life on the Streets

[ChimneyFish]

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrfCixsd2N8)

[Furtherman]

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrfCixsd2N8)

HAHAHAHA

[Marc with a c]

i would just like to let all the wire watchers know that i have seen two episodes in the fifthe season, and i just read all of the spoilers today, and i hate you all, and my self.

i have no self control

[TheMojoPin]

I would have liked to see Omar continue his hunt a little longer, maybe at least get Chris and/or Snoop, I've had enough of those bitches. But his death makes sense on a lot of levels, so obviously it was his time to go. McNulty needs to go now, I'm getting a little tired of how inconsistent his character can be. First he's psycho and passionate about about setting up the whole serial killer angle, all while boozing harder then anyone i've ever seen in my life, then out of the blue he's realized he's created a monster and he becomes regretful of his decisions (something McNulty has never really done) and he hasn't had a drink in forever. They just aren't consistent with his character and it annoys me, so I wanna see him dead. I couldn't help but really enjoy the behavior analysis the FBI gave.

I've started going back and re-waching the whole series in anticipation of it ending in a couple of weeks, and as over the top as it is, it's par for the course for what we've seen with McNulty over the last 6 years. His schemes and scams have steadily gotten more and more and ridiculous as he either gets more desperate or angry, ad until now, they've almost all pretty much paid off with some degree. His turn in episode 8 I think works because he arrogantly though that he and Lester would have Marlo down in a couple of weeks, and now they're really not any closer than when they started besides hopefully breaking the clock code. Combine that with him seeing Bunk likely get to Chris through old fashioned police work, Kima's disapproval of what he's doing and how the power he has has basically turned him into the number-crunching bosses he hates, it slapped him in the face as to how far he's sunk. The big question now is whether or not it's too late for him to escape.

And the booze has always been there. If anything, he's drinking less at his worst this season than he was in season 1 and especially season 2.

I agree, at first I thought what he was doing was too jarring and unusual, but re-watching the first 3 seasons, it makes total sense. The only reason I think it seems off is because we basically got a McNulty break in season 4. This is just him taking his shit from seasons 1-3 to the next level.

[ChimneyFish]

HAHAHAHA

I had some nice giggles from that, also.:happy:

[TheMojoPin]

OK, I just read something amazing. Confirmed by David Simon himself (http://sepinwall.blogspot.com/2008/02/wire-week-8-thread-for-on-demanders.html), Kenard actually shows up in season 3 foreshadowing that he'll be the one to kill Omar. Remember when Omar and his crew at the time, boyfriend and two female stickups, rob a Barksdale stash house but they get ambushed? One of the stickup girls is killed, and Bunk comes out to investigate the scene. He gets distracted by a group of kids standing by and "playing Omar. One kid has a black doo-rag on, and another is pointing a stick like a gun and saying, "it's my turn to play Omar!" The kid saying that is the first appearance of Kenard. Un-fucking-believable. Check the pics below. This show is amazing.

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i11/jrodesiler/kenard.jpg

[TheGameHHH]

OK, I just read something amazing. Confirmed by David Simon himself (http://sepinwall.blogspot.com/2008/02/wire-week-8-thread-for-on-demanders.html), Kenard actually shows up in season 3 foreshadowing that he'll be the one to kill Omar. Remember when Omar and his crew at the time, boyfriend and two female stickups, rob a Barksdale stash house but they get ambushed? One of the stickup girls is killed, and Bunk comes out to investigate the scene. He gets distracted by a group of kids standing by and "playing Omar. One kid has a black doo-rag on, and another is pointing a stick like a gun and saying, "it's my turn to play Omar!" The kid saying that is the first appearance of Kenard. Un-fucking-believable. Check the pics below. This show is amazing.

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i11/jrodesiler/kenard.jpg

i dont get how that "foreshadows" him killing Omar. the kid is pretending to be him, not pretending to kill him. i think its much more of a foreshadow when kenard sees Omar stick up Michael and he goes, 'thats Omar? damn' like all disappointed that the man didn't live up to the myth.

[TheMojoPin]

i dont get how that "foreshadows" him killing Omar. the kid is pretending to be him, not pretending to kill him. i think its much more of a foreshadow when kenard sees Omar stick up Michael and he goes, 'thats Omar? damn' like all disappointed that the man didn't live up to the myth.

Yeah, Snoogans thinks the same thing. I think it's foreshadowing because, like I said before, they very specifically wrote Omar like a western character, and having a legendary character killed by someone who basically hero worshipped them and then was unimpressed or let down when they finally saw that legend up close, and decided that killing that legend was no thing and would only enhane THEIR status is as Old West as it goes. That's basically Jesse James getting killed. It's foreshadowing because it shows that Kenard buying into the myth of Omar contrasting with the reality of injured, desperate Omar gave him the stones to kill him.

[JimBeam]

When can we stop using the spoiler tags ?

I understand doing it the few days before the show is actually on HBO, to spare those who aren't fortuante enough to view it earlier On Demand, but once it's been shown in it's normal time slot we should be free to discuss it openly.

The Lost thread isn't all blacked out.

I guess Omar's end had to come sometime but I surely didn't see it there. Isn't that little punk the one that got his ass kicked by Michael when he stole the stash from Bird's kid ? I kept trying to find rationale for him not being dead. He had unfinished business. If you look at the trailer for the next episode(s) it looks like Michael's gonna kill Chris and/or Snoop. MY bet is on Snoop as I think there's another angle w/ Chris & Marlo. Anybody seem to think Chris has been acting wierd the last few episodes and that he wasn't so quick to " defend " Marlo when Michael was thinking out loud about how Marlo could act so brutally against one of his own and not against Omar.

[Freakshow]

Anyone else think that Bunk is going to nail Marlo (or Chris/Snoop) while McNulty, Lester, and everyone is doing all the extra crap? It could be setting up that he solves it with good old-fashioned police work...

It was funny to see the report guy do a real story. I think it's setting up David Simon's next project, something with Iraq


It's funny that I was the right track with Bunk and so far off with the reporter guy. Seems the Iraq guy story is going to bring him down.

[JimBeam]

I've gotta be honest I've only been slighlty paying attention the newspaper part of the story but is it that the guy is totally making everything up ? I mean I get that he's not actually tracking a killer, since there isn't one, but is he creating everything that he writes ?

[TheMojoPin]

I've gotta be honest I've only been slighlty paying attention the newspaper part of the story but is it that the guy is totally making everything up ? I mean I get that he's not actually tracking a killer, since there isn't one, but is he creating everything that he writes ?

He's mostly making up parts of his stories as opposed to the whole things. With the serial killer, he made up the first call, but within the context of the larger serial killer story that they all, him included, think is real.

I think Michael turns because his mother gets killed by Chris and/or Snoop. I've seen season previews with a murder scene of a disheveled black woman as the corpse, an I'll bet money it's Michael's mom. I don't think Michael kills Chris, because it looks like Chris gets caught up in the huge bust that goes down next episode. It's gotta be Snoop he's shooting in the car.

[tbonesteak]

Two Things:

Good for Poot. Glad he made it out of the game.

Best line of the episode is when Rawls says: "I mean, I'm all for a little kinky shit now and then, but chewing on a homeless fellow..."

[TheMojoPin]

Two Things:

Good for Poot. Glad he made it out of the game.

Best line of the episode is when Rawls says: "I mean, I'm all for a little kinky shit now and then, but chewing on a homeless fellow..."

Fuck Poot. He killed Wallace and he sent Dukie back to the corner. I hope he chokes on a shoelace.

[Kevin]

Fuck Poot. He killed Wallace and he sent Dukie back to the corner. I hope he chokes on a shoelace.

QFMFT

I was a little saddened to see the great Omar go out like that. But is why this show was so great. They always surprised you.. I will miss it very much.

[TheMojoPin]

Where's Wallace, Poot?

WHERE THE FUCK IS WALLACE?!?

Alright, fine, so that was actually for Stringer, but it still applies to that bastard Poot. And that scene ruled.

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[tbonesteak]

Fuck Poot. He killed Wallace and he sent Dukie back to the corner. I hope he chokes on a shoelace.

Cmon, Poot wasn't a bad dude. He had heart. Just a little spineless. And he wasn't the one who killed Wallace, it was Bodie and he was one of the best and sorely missed characters on the show. Don't hate on him for sending Dukie back to the corner. I took that as pure social commentary. They were making a point about how these kids aren't old enough to get a job, but they can start slingin in junior high.

[tbonesteak]

Here's some predictions for the final two episodes:

Marlow gets sent to prison (you see him there in the preivews) and Avon is the one who ends up killing him. Michael kills Snoop and takes over the West Side with Kenard as his muscle. And Bunk gets Chris for the beating.

The homeless scandal comes out and ruins Carcetti's chances for Governor. Lester goes back to the post he was at before he joined the task force(property?). And sadly, McNulty eats his gun.

Clay Davis goes down for bribing Lester. And as for the reporter, who gives a shit.

[TheMojoPin]

Cmon, Poot wasn't a bad dude. He had heart. Just a little spineless. And he wasn't the one who killed Wallace, it was Bodie and he was one of the best and sorely missed characters on the show. Don't hate on him for sending Dukie back to the corner. I took that as pure social commentary. They were making a point about how these kids aren't old enough to get a job, but they can start slingin in junior high.

Bodie shot Wallace once, wounding him. Poot grabbed the gun and then shot Wallace until he was dead. It's even worse since Poot was his best friend and fucking lived with him. And I know the scene with him and Dukie was commentary, but it was still dumb advice. Not, "try somewhere else where maybe the owner hires younger"...he flat out told him to go work the corner. Just because it happens doesn't make it any less dumb. Of all the Pit kids, Poot is the one who SHOULD be dead. Pussyhound traitor.

[TheMojoPin]

Jesus Christ, that was a depressing end. It's interesting that as Bubble's "street life" comes to an end, Dukie's is clearly beginning. And I think Michael is gonna end up kind of being the new Omar. He's smart, but he seems more like smart muscle than someone who can actualy run things like Marlo or Avon or Stringer. I have a feeling he's gonna be ripping other dealers by the end of that final episode.

McNulty is sort of fucked. Even though he's clearly busted, the mayor's office and the department aren't going to flush away the huge busts they just pulled off by exposing what McNulty did (even though the seem to be leaning towards Levy figuring out the loopholes in their investigation and the trailers show Marlo on the streets, and Levy was talking about how bail for him was unlikely). And police departments don't through their own under the bus. If they went out of their way to protect Herc and his fuckups, they're not going to sacrifice McNulty, especially since his scam ended up helping them huge.

McNulty might have some ironic salvation coming based on the trailer for the finale. Looks like a real copycat murder shows up, which would make it easier for the city to cover up McNulty's scam. Of course, the trailers also seem to show McNulty confronting Templeton with the truth, so who the hell knows?

One of the cops is dying. The cable summaries talk about "a wake for another fallen officer," so who knows if it's a major or minor character. If it's McNulty, I think he'd go on a bender and get killed in an accident, but I really can't see him killing himself like some of us have talked about. Even at his lowest, he's too much of a narcissist to off himself.

Great, great ending for Snoop.

Who woulda thought that of the kids we met in season 4, Namon would turn out the best? A rare happy ending on this show.

These next 2 weeks are going to take forever. HBO has said that they won't put the finale on On Demand so tha whatever happens doesn't get spoiled. It'll be cool that the end will be communl, but man, this wait is gonna drag.

[HBox]

That last scene made my heart hurt.

[Knowledged_one]

That was a good scene with Poot looking all old and street wise. Cant believe that Omar went down like that but it seems like par for the show, its the way of the street get or get got.

Really starting to warm to the newspaper arc with Meldrick calling out the writer for being a liar.

And i dont see things ending well for McNulty he is the tragic hero of this show

The scene from two or three weeks ago about the mayor speaking about the waterfront project was that Nick from Season 2 yelling at him? It looked like him

[Earlshog]

What was up with Lestors meeting with Clay Davis. Is it possible he is looking for some cover should the serial killer hoax blows up in his face?

[Reynolds]

One or two hour finale? Looks like they have a lot to tell in the finale by the preview.

[Knowledged_one]

What was up with Lestors meeting with Clay Davis. Is it possible he is looking for some cover should the serial killer hoax blows up in his face?

I think he is trying to hustle him for money, to replace what they have spent in OT from the budget on the fake case. To me that would make the most sense

[Knowledged_one]

One or two hour finale? Looks like they have a lot to tell in the finale by the preview.

Knowing HBO it will be some odd ball time like 1 hour and 35 minutes

I still cant believe that nobody has found out that Rawls is a big homo

[TheMojoPin]

I think he is trying to hustle him for money, to replace what they have spent in OT from the budget on the fake case. To me that would make the most sense

Nah, he's doing what he's always suggested...following the money. Pressing Davis for info abut what he knows about shady shit other people are doing.

[TheMojoPin]

Knowing HBO it will be some odd ball time like 1 hour and 35 minutes

I still cant believe that nobody has found out that Rawls is a big homo

It's gonna be 90 minutes, and no On Demand early viewing. HBO is making everyone see it at the same time.

Seeing as nobody from the department likes Rawls and hangs out with him, his secret doesn't surprise me at all.

[Knowledged_one]

It's gonna be 90 minutes, and no On Demand early viewing. HBO is making everyone see it at the same time.

Seeing as nobody from the department likes Rawls and hangs out with him, his secret doesn't surprise me at all.

Do you think they just totally have slept on the Rawls thing as most thought that when it was shown with Rawls in the gay club that that would be the final season?

And kinda funny Rawls saying he likes kinky things in ref to the homeless people

And the FBI profile was really funny as it described Jimmy to a t

[TheMojoPin]

Do you think they just totally have slept on the Rawls thing as most thought that when it was shown with Rawls in the gay club that that would be the final season?

Nah. Simon and the other writers in interviews have said it was never meant to be anything except a surprising aside. It really doesn't "mean" anything.

[Bay Ridge Tim]

These next 2 weeks are going to take forever.

Definitely.

What an episode. I'm a wreck right now. That last scene, with Dukie staring down his future, made me so sick I nearly vomited. When you think of everything that kid has been through, starting with his family stealing from him to get high, to where he almost made it to, his arc has been the most tragic (unless the finale has a Bubbles relapse, then so help me, god, I may hunt David Simon down).

The gamut of emotions run in that episode was boggling. The joy of Namond's success, the hope for Bubbles, the contempt for McNulty (and a few others. I'm looking your way, Herc), the struggle for Greggs, and the overall sadness for Michael and Dukie. That was a lot to take.

I hate that we have to wait two weeks for the finale. I can't wait to see it. I just hope I can take it.

[JimBeam]

I knew that Snoop thing was coming. Was hoping she'd suffer a little more though. She took it too calmly. There's nothing sinister to what Lestor's doing. He's just twisting Davis' arm because he wants something bigger since he know's there's really nothing that the Feds will do because they're pissed they were left out for so long. I hope something good happens for Dookie. I think if a cop dies it could be eaither Lestor ( as some kinda Marlow revenge thing ) or Herc ( also related to bringing down Marlow ). Those are both stretches but I don't think they'd go with an obvious McNulty. Although if McNulty does get killed the brass and mayor could spin it into something and somewhat block the full load of his shennanigans. Who was that in the trailer that Cheese was beefing with ? He's gotta get his for selling out his own uncle.

[TheMojoPin]

I knew that Snoop thing was coming. Was hoping she'd suffer a little more though. She took it too calmly. There's nothing sinister to what Lestor's doing. He's just twisting Davis' arm because he wants something bigger since he know's there's really nothing that the Feds will do because they're pissed they were left out for so long. I hope something good happens for Dookie. I think if a cop dies it could be eaither Lestor ( as some kinda Marlow revenge thing ) or Herc ( also related to bringing down Marlow ). Those are both stretches but I don't think they'd go with an obvious McNulty. Although if McNulty does get killed the brass and mayor could spin it into something and somewhat block the full load of his shennanigans. Who was that in the trailer that Cheese was beefing with ? He's gotta get his for selling out his own uncle.

I'm definitely leaning more towards Herc being the one killed. Levy essentially figures out it's him and leaves him out to dry with Marlo. As pissed as Marlo is, I can't see him having an active cop like Lester killed. Herc being killed would still bring heat, but I could see him being able to rationalize that and attempt to pull it off than killing an working cop. Or maybe Marlo assumes Levy is fucking him over and opts to kill him and Herc gets caught up in it and ends up dead. I'm thinking something like that or McNulty gets in a drunken accident.

[Freakshow]

I don't think it's Herc who dies, he seems kinda Teflon. I used to think it was somebody big, but now i'm not so sure.

[tbonesteak]

The scene from two or three weeks ago about the mayor speaking about the waterfront project was that Nick from Season 2 yelling at him? It looked like him

Yeah that was Nick. Did anyone also notice that one of the homeless guys that showed up a few episodes ago when the reporter was doing his bullshit piece was Horse from Season 2. At least he looked just like Horse.

[Knowledged_one]

Not a single person i work with here in this shithole of a state and town has ever even watched this show or even heard about it. they would rather watch that lie detector show on fox

God i miss bawmur

[Crippler]

I can't believe I've got to wait 2 weeks for the finale. The funny thing is those bastards have been running the "see EVERY episode of the final season a week early with On Demand" promo for over two months & I've been thinking from the beginning, "Are they really going to expose the finale to Comcast customers early? That makes no sense." So I guess I'm not as much surprised as I am pissed that I knew I was being lied to all season & just waiting for the swerve for the finale.

Anyway, I can't wait. I keep thinking they can't do anything more to rip at my emotions, but they constantly prove me wrong. I thought the saddest thing I had ever seen on TV (that wasn't on the news) was the end of last season with Michael turning away from his friends/towards the corner, Dookie walking away from school, & Chris going to the boys' home. But the sadness I felt watching Dookie walk towards the other vagrants/arabbers topped the list again. This show is just on another level from the slagheap of mule dung being played on 95% of the rest of the TV schedule.

[TheMojoPin]

I wouldn't put it past the show for the cop death to be a "nobody" cop, or something really out of nowhere, Like Dozerman actually having been bit by that tick like he thought and croaking because of Lyme Disease.

[TheGameHHH]

"How's my hair look Michael?" What a great ending for Snoop. I think this episode was easily my favorite of the season thus far. And how crazy has technology gotten? I couldn't believe what that Iraq vet was able to do with his new hands. I know it meant nothing story wise but it was still incredible to see.

[Furtherman]

The gamut of emotions run in that episode was boggling. The joy of Namond's success, the hope for Bubbles, the contempt for McNulty (and a few others. I'm looking your way, Herc), the struggle for Greggs, and the overall sadness for Michael and Dukie. That was a lot to take.

Took the words right out of my mouth, Tim.

Greggs snitchin' like that was unbelievable. And for her to compare the situation to Carter's was a bit uneven. Carver wrote up a guy, but that guy didn't have the possibility of jail - for a long time - behind his actions. But as I said a few episodes back, I didn't like that they were getting fooled. But now it seems to be resolving itself, and yea... cops fuck up and get caught. True to life.

I clapped for joy with the line, "Are you sitting down?"

And laughed my ass off with, "And I hope Mrs. Freamon is awake because I DOOOOOOOOOOOO believe Lester is up for some lovin'!"

It was great to see Bunk smiling again with his cigar.

And Marlo... knew he was psycho... but when he was yelling about "my name" in lockup, damn... I think that was the first time we heard him raise his voice. Psycho.

But one thing left me confused, even after watching it twice. Probably has to go back to the beginning of the wire tap....

What was with the phone ringing in the evidence room? How does that tie it to McNulty?

And how great was it to see the drunk cop from Season 1 in the evidence locker!

And Mojo... that foreshadowing thing you posted is right. Awesome.

[ChimneyFish]

I'm definitely leaning more towards Herc being the one killed. Levy essentially figures out it's him and leaves him out to dry with Marlo. As pissed as Marlo is, I can't see him having an active cop like Lester killed. Herc being killed would still bring heat, but I could see him being able to rationalize that and attempt to pull it off than killing an working cop. Or maybe Marlo assumes Levy is fucking him over and opts to kill him and Herc gets caught up in it and ends up dead. I'm thinking something like that or McNulty gets in a drunken accident.

Did not even think about that.

I'm smack in the middle of rewatching season 3(while watching the current one), and I don't know why I never realized just how psychopathic Marlo always was from the beginning.
I would love if they would have done a prequel type thing showing how he got to be like that. I mean he did something along the way to season 3 to make two cold blooded killers like Chris and Snoop respect him. And not only that, but there's been quite a few times that you could tell that Chris not only repected him, but actually feared him.(in lockup)
If he even suspects Levy, or Herc for that matter, I could see them both dead.
And, oh how I would love the shit out of it, if he goes animal on Levy.(I'm actually giddy just thinking about it:smoke:)

[TheMojoPin]

I dunno, the more I think about it, with one episode left, I can't think of a way for any of the cops to die outside of McNulty doing something like going on a bender and getting killed that wouldn't seem incredibly hacky. Here's my crazy, way-out theory...none of them die. McNulty is busted, he takes the entire rap and is sent to jail, and the "wake" is in honor of him. Other than that, any of them being murdered or taking their own lives would just be too random.

[marky2bucks]

Who did Michael leave Bug with? I didn't get it.

[Knowledged_one]

Who did Michael leave Bug with? I didn't get it.

Dude are you serious do you not uderstand using spoiler text

[marky2bucks]

Dude are you serious do you not uderstand using spoiler text

Does anybody reading this thread not watch it on demand?

There is nothing but spoiler text on this thread, leads me to believe that most people have seen it.

[Knowledged_one]

Does anybody reading this thread not watch it on demand?

obviously i do, why do you think every post has teh spoiler text

Why even bother to question it and not just do it

[marky2bucks]

obviously i do, why do you think every post has teh spoiler text

Why even bother to question it and not just do it

soory

can a mod fix?

[ChimneyFish]

I'm sorry but that whole thing was very funny.:tongue:

I'm certainly not "pays attention to every little detail" guy, but hasn't McNulty been laying off the drinking the past 2 episodes????

I do like Mojo's idea of the "wake" being for him after he gets put away, though.

I just would really love to see Marlo go blind rage crazy on Levy.


edit: I just noticed I forgot to use spoiler tags myself on the last page.
Could a mod please fix that. If erasing it is the easiest thing to do, go ahead.

Damn.:annoyed:

[TheGameHHH]

Who did Michael leave Bug with? I didn't get it.

Michael and Bug have an Aunt out in the 'burbs. Thats where Bug was dropped off.

[Furtherman]

What was with the phone ringing in the evidence room? How does that tie it to McNulty?

Anyone?





Also.... in those new Dunkin Donuts ads that are airing right now highlighting the new toasted oven, none other than Clay Davis is eating a sandwich saying "Mmmmm". Oh if we only lived in a society which would allow a "Mmmmm Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet that's good."

[JimBeam]

I think the phone that rang in the evidence room is the phone that McNulty had asked the DA lady for a while back and he never told her what it was for. He must've alos cross referenced that phone# in a police report. So when she called the # on the report, and it came up as the one McNulty requisitioned for an unrelated investigation, she knew something was wrong. That's how I interpreted it. I couldn't place the guy in the evidence room. I knew he had obvioulsy been reprimanded at some point the way Cedric aid he was glad he landed on his feet but couldn't remeber what season he was from. You know Rawls is gonna love tearing McNulty a new asshole. You can see it in the preview for the finale.

I've seen Clay Davis play like 3 different characters on Law & Order, Law & Order CI and L&O SVU.

I actually saw an epsiode where Bunk was Davis' lawyer.

There are obvioulsy a lot of these actors on both shows.

I've seen Biddy ( spelling ?? ) on a few episodes as well.

[ChimneyFish]

I was looking at the whole cast and their credits, and I was amazed at how many of them had been on Homicide: Life In The Street in some capacity. I never got a chance to see that.

[Freakshow]

I think the phone that rang in the evidence room is the phone that McNulty had asked the DA lady for a while back and he never told her what it was for. He must've alos cross referenced that phone# in a police report. So when she called the # on the report, and it came up as the one McNulty requisitioned for an unrelated investigation, she knew something was wrong. That's how I interpreted it. I couldn't place the guy in the evidence room. I knew he had obvioulsy been reprimanded at some point the way Cedric aid he was glad he landed on his feet but couldn't remeber what season he was from. You know Rawls is gonna love tearing McNulty a new asshole. You can see it in the preview for the finale.

I've seen Clay Davis play like 3 different characters on Law & Order, Law & Order CI and L&O SVU.
I actually saw an epsiode where Bunk was Davis' lawyer.

There are obvioulsy a lot of these actors on both shows.

I've seen Biddy ( spelling ?? ) on a few episodes as well.

not to mention the academy award nomination. michael was on law and order one day directly after watching the show on-demand

[JimBeam]

I don't think I saw Michael in an episode yet.

I saw Damon I think ( that's Bird's son right ?? ).

He actually helped Omar's character get out of lockup by pretending to be him when they called his name for bail.

[El Mudo]

I think the phone that rang in the evidence room is the phone that McNulty had asked the DA lady for a while back and he never told her what it was for. He must've alos cross referenced that phone# in a police report. So when she called the # on the report, and it came up as the one McNulty requisitioned for an unrelated investigation, she knew something was wrong. That's how I interpreted it. I couldn't place the guy in the evidence room. I knew he had obvioulsy been reprimanded at some point the way Cedric aid he was glad he landed on his feet but couldn't remeber what season he was from. You know Rawls is gonna love tearing McNulty a new asshole. You can see it in the preview for the finale.

I've seen Clay Davis play like 3 different characters on Law & Order, Law & Order CI and L&O SVU.

I actually saw an epsiode where Bunk was Davis' lawyer.

There are obvioulsy a lot of these actors on both shows.

I've seen Biddy ( spelling ?? ) on a few episodes as well.



I think he was one of the cops from the goon squad of awful cops Cedric got for the investigative team in Season 2....before Stan Valcheck came in there and raised holy hell about getting such a collection of mishmash. I think he was one of the guys Cedric told to dry himself up

[TheMojoPin]

I think he was one of the cops from the goon squad of awful cops Cedric got for the investigative team in Season 2....before Stan Valcheck came in there and raised holy hell about getting such a collection of mishmash. I think he was one of the guys Cedric told to dry himself up

He was one of the old drunks from season one. Daniels sent him to the medical unit to dry out midway through the season.

[tbonesteak]

Are we ever going to find out the dirt on Daniels? That's something that goes back to the first season and they brought it up again this year. I'll always remember the scene when they're chasing Avon after the basketball game and Daneils passes him in the car and gives him a knowing look.

Also, it looks like we'll see Prez in the final episode, the only other guy from past seasons who hasn't really shown up this year. Is there anyone else who's been missing this year? Other than bowtie man...

[TheMojoPin]

Are we ever going to find out the dirt on Daniels? That's something that goes back to the first season and they brought it up again this year. I'll always remember the scene when they're chasing Avon after the basketball game and Daneils passes him in the car and gives him a knowing look.

I really, really, really doubt that was anything to do with Daniels' supposed "dirt." That scene is just Avon showing up the cops who were trying to follow them, as if to say, "I know all your tricks, pigs." If Daniels has any actual dirt, it's got nothing to do with Avon. It sounds mostly like he was in a narcotics unit that was dirty, but it's fuzzy whether or not he actually did anything.

Also, it looks like we'll see Prez in the final episode, the only other guy from past seasons who hasn't really shown up this year. Is there anyone else who's been missing this year? Other than bowtie man...

I figure if Marlo buys it in the final epiode, there's a chance that Brother Mouzzone could be the one to do it. Remember, Marlo had all his people knock off the NYC deaers that were moving in to Baltimore. Maybe Mouzzone is sent down to even the score.

[Servo]

But one thing left me confused, even after watching it twice. Probably has to go back to the beginning of the wire tap....

What was with the phone ringing in the evidence room? How does that tie it to McNulty?


Not sure if anyone answered your question, Further, but Pearlman and Daniels called the number used in the Red Ribbon Killer wiretap affidavit to confirm that it was actually Marlo's phone. This was the phone number that Herc gave to Carver, who in turn gave it to Freamon.

[Furtherman]

Not sure if anyone answered your question, Further, but Pearlman and Daniels called the number used in the Red Ribbon Killer wiretap affidavit to confirm that it was actually Marlo's phone. This was the phone number that Herc gave to Carver, who in turn gave it to Freamon.

Ok, cool... I got it now. Thanks.

And I think we can all drop the spoiler text now... everyone all caught up? One week and we're done.

[marky2bucks]

I've seen Clay Davis play like 3 different characters on Law & Order, Law & Order CI and L&O SVU.

He was in the 25th hour. The Spike Lee movie with Ed Norton. He played a cop. He even did a Sheeeeiiiiit, twice.

[Earlshog]

Who is the leak in the prosecutors office? The obvious is Banks, the dude who tried Davis and was looking to run for mayor. The shocker would be Pearlman.

[Earlshog]

He was in the 25th hour. The Spike Lee movie with Ed Norton. He played a cop. He even did a Sheeeeiiiiit, twice.


He was also the doctor in Goodfellas who checks out Henry Hill

[Servo]

Who is the leak in the prosecutors office? The obvious is Banks, the dude who tried Davis and was looking to run for mayor. The shocker would be Pearlman.

I think you mean Bond... he's the State's Attorney, so I don't think he'd be the leak in his own office. It could be the grand jury prosecutor who pops up every now and then, but that's kind of random. Or it could just be some unnamed clerk or court officer. We may not find out, I think.

[Earlshog]

I think you mean Bond... he's the State's Attorney, so I don't think he'd be the leak in his own office. It could be the grand jury prosecutor who pops up every now and then, but that's kind of random. Or it could just be some unnamed clerk or court officer. We may not find out, I think.

yeah yeah, Bond thats it....

I think it will be revealed, one way or another, why would they bring it up, and touch on it a little in each episode if it was not going to play into the storyline somehow.

[pittphantoms]

Omar and Bubs coming up on O&A - I cant wait to see if Bubs' face without the burn marks on it.

[Earlshog]

Omar and Bubs coming up on O&A - I cant wait to see if Bubs' face without the burn marks on it.


They have Michael on now...

[chili]

Omar and Bubs coming up on O&A - I cant wait to see if Bubs' face without the burn marks on it.

It's really pissing me off that the whole conversation now is revolving around Opie not having seen a couple seasons yet.

[TheMojoPin]

Does Anthony even wach the show? I would assume it would horrify his delicate sensibilities.

[pittphantoms]

I have to admit - the thought of watching a show about drug dealers in the hood and cops who try to get them under real circumstances (most tv shows don't bother with reality) - doesn't sound like great tv - which is why so many people didnt catch on to this show right away. I bet Anthony eventually watches it. It really is the best on TV.

I also predict a major amount of Emmys going to this show this year.

[zentraed]

I have to admit - the thought of watching a show about drug dealers in the hood and cops who try to get them under real circumstances (most tv shows don't bother with reality) - doesn't sound like great tv - which is why so many people didnt catch on to this show right away. I bet Anthony eventually watches it. It really is the best on TV.

I also predict a major amount of Emmys going to this show this year.

I just watched the series in the last month or so, and it was only because of norton's raves and a recommendation of a friend. It struck me as one of those shows that I needed to watch from the beginning, so I never wanted to just drop in on it. I never expected there to be so many great characters.

[TheGameHHH]

Does Anthony even wach the show? I would assume it would horrify his delicate sensibilities.

if you think he's watching a show where 95% of the cast is black, then you're out of your mind.

[TheMojoPin]

if you think he's watching a show where 95% of the cast is black, then you're out of your mind.

That's basically what I was saying...though I fondly remember their discussions about Oz back in the day. Anthony always sounded on the verge of a panic attack.

[Earlshog]

Bill Simmons, espn sports guy, has an hr podcast about the Wire. It's pretty interesting and now I'm jonesing for the finale

http://query-origin.andohs.net/8000A6/content-root3.andomedia.com/origin/mp3/espnradio/sportsguy/simmons080304.mp3

[Furtherman]

I also predict a major amount of Emmys going to this show this year.

It probably will get a lot - but no where near as many as it deserved. It may get best Drama but not every actor could pick up an award. It'll only go to a select few - if any - from The Wire, and so many more deserve it from past seasons.

[El Mudo]

I'm thinking it would be REALLY funny if Scott Templeton gets a hold of the whole mcnulty serial killer scandal in some scoop.....but no one believes him and assumes he's making it up, so it doesn't get reported....

[TheMojoPin]

The 90 minute finale can be watched if you know where to find such things.

My spoilers are based on me having watched it, so do NOT read if you're not watching until Sunday.

I'm very satisfied with the ending, though it just yet again reinforces how rushed this season felt with them not having the option to do 3 more episodes like they usually have in the past.

I'm VERY happy that there were no shocking deaths or crazy twists just because this was the end. It would have been totally wrong of the show. I like that the courthouse leak was someone basically anyone with one eye open would have assumed it was.

I think Marlo's "fate" is fantastic. He's free, of jail and the game, and a rich man, but his name is meaningless. Stringer Bell is somewhere in Hell just shaking his head.

Best happy ending? Weebay and Chris chilling in jail like best friends. THAT'S the spinoff I'd love to see.

My biggest gripe is one from the whole season...the nwspaper storyline wasn't bad, but it was too disconnected from everything else. All of the other new "worlds" introduced in seasons 2-4 were very explicitly linked to the world of the streets and the cops...the nespaper had connections, but they were very distant and tenuous. It just never felt like a real "part" of wha we had been seeing for the last few years, and served more simply as a basic plot device and David Simon's soapbox. I think he got too caught up in his own experiences and forget to really mix it up with the world he had created.

There's a TON more to talk about, but I want to watch it at least once more to digest things. To be continued...

[HBox]

Rawls: "You didn't kill them yourself, at least tell me that."

:thumbup:

[TheMojoPin]

I loved that the finale gave primo scenes to some of the better and most reliable side characters, namely Rawls, Landsman and Levy.

Box, come on...the "Chris and Weebay Happy Fun Prison Show" would KILL.

[HBox]

I loved that the finale gave primo scenes to some of the better and most reliable side characters, namely Rawls, Landsman and Levy.

Box, come on...the "Chris and Weebay Happy Fun Prison Show" would KILL.

Yes it would. But that scene was second to the Cheese scene. Fucking perfect.

[Kevin]

I know it was expected, but seeing Dookie with that needle and in such bad shape, talking to Presbo, was so hard to watch..


Listen to th Bill Simmons Whitlock Podcast, Lot of interesting stuff about the show on it.

[HBox]

Fuck Herc too. So hard.

[Kevin]

Yes it would. But that scene was second to the Cheese scene. Fucking perfect.

That was for Joe.

[TheMojoPin]

That was for Joe.

That was the only death I was really rooting for, and I practically bust a nut when it happened. Loved that he was still twitching on the ground.

[Crippler]

I know it was expected, but seeing Dookie with that needle and in such bad shape, talking to Presbo, was so hard to watch..

I feel the same...you saw it coming, in fact it was almost inevitable...but damn was I pissed/saddened to actually see it happen. Dukie with the needle in his arms killed the warm fuzzies from seeing the Cheese Twitch. I guess seeing Bubs dine with family was supposed to lighten that a bit, but I wasn't done being pissed yet, so it didn't work.

Michael as the new Omar was a twist I didn't see coming.

I was a little disappointed to see Templeton not only get away with everything, but get rewarded for it...but I guess that was all part of the writer's ax to grind with the system.

I'm looking forward to watching again & noticing 15 other things that didn't sink in the first go 'round, as usual.

[Snoogans]

I feel the same...you saw it coming, in fact it was almost inevitable...but damn was I pissed/saddened to actually see it happen. Dukie with the needle in his arms killed the warm fuzzies from seeing the Cheese Twitch. I guess seeing Bubs dine with family was supposed to lighten that a bit, but I wasn't done being pissed yet, so it didn't work.

Michael as the new Omar was a twist I didn't see coming.

I was a little disappointed to see Templeton not only get away with everything, but get rewarded for it...but I guess that was all part of the writer's ax to grind with the system.

I'm looking forward to watching again & noticing 15 other things that didn't sink in the first go 'round, as usual.

My favorite part was how fuckin McNulty and Lester both got away with it. Yea they arent cops anymore, but it just made me laugh. Especially McNulty. He has done so much fucked up shit and skated on it and this time it really seemed like he was fucked. And he fuckin STILL skated on it

[TheMojoPin]

My favorite part was how fuckin McNulty and Lester both got away with it. Yea they arent cops anymore, but it just made me laugh. Especially McNulty. He has done so much fucked up shit and skated on it and this time it really seemed like he was fucked. And he fuckin STILL skated on it

True, but he's still pretty fucked. If anything, this series has shown that doing real policework is his fucking life, and not having it anymore is probably gonna be rough for him. Fortunately, he seems to still have Beadie, but this is probably gonna chew him up inside for a long time...maybe forever. I wouldn't be surprised if Lester was a little the same way, though he had all those years working the pawn shop unit that pretty clearly burnt him out. Plus he's older, and he's got that doll furniture business that pulls in more than his cop salary ever could dream of, and he's got his hot ex-stripper girlfriend.

If the series went on, I'd have to assume McNulty would get into private investigations. What the fuck else could he do?

[JimBeam]

I'm sure this was kicked around before but I just watched Gone Baby Gone and saw our good friends Omar and Biddy.

Incidentally the pic of the suspect in the shooting of that girl @ UNC looks a little like Cheese.

[hammersavage]

20 minutes away...the end is near.

television just won't be the same without it. here's to them going out in style.

[JimBeam]

That line by Rawls was fantastic.

You didnt kill them yourself McNulty. At least assure me of that. "

[scottinnj]

I miss it already. What is HBO going to give us now, "John Adams" is only going to be 7 weeks.

[TheMojoPin]

The cadillac stood by the house
And the yanks they were within
And the tinker boys they hissed advice
'Hot-wire her with a pin'
We turned and shook as we had a look
In the room where the dead men lay
So big Jim Dwyer made his last trip
To the home where his father's laid

Fifteen minutes later
We had our first taste of whiskey
There was uncles giving lectures
On ancient Irish history
The men all started telling jokes
And the women they got frisky
At five o'clock in the evening
Every bastard there was piskey

Fare thee well going away
There's nothing left to say
Farewell to New York City boys
To Boston and PA
He took them out
With a well-aimed clout
He was often heard to say
I'm a free born man of the USA

He fought the champ in Pittsburgh
And he slashed him to the ground
He took on Tiny Tartanella
And it only went one round
He never had no time for reds
For drink or dice or whores
And he never threw a fight
Unless the fight was right
So they sent him to the war

Fare the well gone away
There's nothing left to say
With a slainte Joe and Erin go
My love's in Amerikay
The calling of the rosary
Spanish winde from far away
I'm a free born man of the USA

This morning on the harbour
When I said goodbye to you
I remember how I swore
That I'd come back to you one day
And as the sunset came to meet
The evening on the hill
I told you I'd always love
I always did and I always will

Fare thee well gone away
There's nothing left to say
'cept to say adieu
To your eyes as blue
As the water in the bay
And to big Jim Dwyer
The man of wire
Who was often heard to say
I'm a free born man of the USA

[TheGameHHH]

what a great show, im gonna miss it.

[Furtherman]

What a finale. So much to absorb, but yea, The Wire will be missed. I've got to watch it again.

[Knowledged_one]

very good and very appropriate

No dramatic twists, no cliffhangers, life goes on and moves on glad they ended it that way

[Furtherman]

TVGuide.com has an excellent recap of all that went down.

Episode Recap: "-30-" (http://community.tvguide.com/blog/Wire/800062930)

[TheMojoPin]

OK, I'm dispensing with the spoilers at this point.

Rewatching the finale, the only thing that REALLY bugged me was the out of nowhere scene between Sydnor and Judge Phelan. I completely understand that it was part of the whole "these things go in cycles" theme of the series, but it really is totally out of left field, and I wish they had used some time even just in the previous episodes this season to establish that relationship. In season 1, it's made very clear that McNulty and Phelan know each other from Phelan's days as a prosecutor. With Sydnor, we've seen zilch that indicates tha he would have a similar working relationhip with Phelan, or that he would become "the next McNulty." Sure, he bucked the rules to be part of the season 5 Marlo wiretap, but that's it. Everything else has shown him to be a good cop, if a bit light on the personaity-side. Hell, he wasn't even around in season 2.

It just felt pretty forced to have him totally ranomly working Phelan like that. I think it would have been a much better parallel to have him having the same discussion with Pearlman now that she's a judge, since Sydnor has the same history with her as a prosecutor that McNulty had with Phelan.

One other minor gripe...Michael as a stickup boy makes complete sense. I called that waaaaaaaaaaay back, and it fits given his personality, obligations and obligation. That said, they realy didn't have to have him do such an obvious Omar impersonation/tribute to smash us over the head with the point. The black hoodie, the double barrel shotgun, the way he talked and joked and even his physical mannerism were straight up Omar. Yeah, yeah, we get it.

All in all, I really loved it, and I'm sad to see the series go. I really loved the break around the hour mark that was just shots of Baltimore, and then the parts of the montage at the end that showed similar scenes and then flashes of people on the street. Being in Baltimore really made this show unique, and it's clear that despite all the shit, this show is a love letter to that town. It was those shots that hit me the most emotionally as everything came to a end.

[tbonesteak]

It was a great ending to one of the greatest shows on television...ever. I will miss it immensely. Loved the way they wrapped things up for McNulty. Loved seeing Cheese get got. Would have liked to have seen Avon and Bunny maybe a few others. But all in all a fantastic finale. I just have a few minor observations:

Aidan Gillen (Tommy Carcetti) is a terrible actor (not to mention he throws like a child). That first scene is painful to watch. Also, his Irish accent has been really noticeable this season for some reason. It wasn't something i noticed the past 2 seasons.

I agree with some that the whole newspaper storyline never really panned out. It was an interesting idea but it just never really caught on and didn't relate to the heart of the show. Certainly not the way the school system and the docks did. It was very peripheral and I found it to be a distraction last night and for much of the season. We all got the point they were trying to make after the first episode and other than Gus, there really weren't that many interesting characters.

Instead of the media they should have tried to intergrate the prison system into the show. That seems to be a big piece of the puzzle that they never really tackled in any detail. Otherwise, they should have just focused on wrapping up the storylines that were out there already. They did a great job overall, but there was definitely a lot to cover and some of them did seem rushed.

The most suprising thing for me was seeing Marlow in that suit. Syndor meeting with Phelan was strange but Marlow in the suit at the party with Levy was way out of character. First, I don't think he would be so quick to quit the game. He never acted scared of prison before and he wouldn't just blindly follow Levy. Second, he would never become like Stringer, he would more likely become like Avon, someone running shit from behind the spotlight. He despised Stringer and what he stood for. He didn't want to be a buisnessman. He may of sold the connect and laid low for a while. But he never would have turned his back on the streets. Maybe he realized that it wasn't for him (it was admitedly a great moment watching him return to the streets in that suit) but I don't think he would have walked down that path even for an instant. I would rather have seem him in prison at the end with Chris and WeeBay and Avon or shot dead by the Greeks (which is what I thought was going to happen as soon as he mentioned selling the connect).

[hammersavage]

No matter if the newspaper angle worked or not, I absolutely fucking loved Gus. I thought he was fantastic.

[Kevin]

No matter if the newspaper angle worked or not, I absolutely fucking loved Gus. I thought he was fantastic.

It really bugs me that the Soprano's, who have not been good since season 3, got Emmy after Emmy, year after year, but the Wire got jack shit and was 7million times better. Its clearly obvious that the Emmy people only watch stuff that are talked about, and do not know what good is. Gus deserves one but will not get it. Probably someone from Lost or any pop culture show will get one.

[TheMojoPin]

I agree with some that the whole newspaper storyline never really panned out. It was an interesting idea but it just never really caught on and didn't relate to the heart of the show. Certainly not the way the school system and the docks did. It was very peripheral and I found it to be a distraction last night and for much of the season. We all got the point they were trying to make after the first episode and other than Gus, there really weren't that many interesting characters.

The two biggest flaws with the newspaper story is that it was too seperate from everything else that the series centered around and that the characters were morally too simplistic and black and white. The former can be arguably explained away as being a main point Simon was going..."classical" journalism is going down the tubes, leading to a media disconnect from the world around them. Well, that's fine, but all of the characters were then so obviously good or bad. There was no exploration into their motives or the "grey area" that makes people who they are and has largely made this so good. The newspaper stuff "works," but it's pretty thin compared to everything else.

Instead of the media they should have tried to intergrate the prison system into the show. That seems to be a big piece of the puzzle that they never really tackled in any detail. Otherwise, they should have just focused on wrapping up the storylines that were out there already. They did a great job overall, but there was definitely a lot to cover and some of them did seem rushed.

Well, everything they tackled on the show stemmed from Burns and Simons' experiences as a cop, teacher or reporter. Neither of them ever focused on the prisons in their lives, so they didn't tackle it on the show. That's why they're not doing a 6th season about the Hispanic influx to the area...it all happened ater their time on the streets. On top of that, they wanted to keep themselves unique from other shows, and given that HBO just had a long-running prison drama end up with Oz, focusing on the prisons for a season would be pretty repetitive.

The most suprising thing for me was seeing Marlow in that suit. Syndor meeting with Phelan was strange but Marlow in the suit at the party with Levy was way out of character. First, I don't think he would be so quick to quit the game. He never acted scared of prison before and he wouldn't just blindly follow Levy.

He wasn't scared or following Levy. He was taken what, at the moment, seemed like the best option. Sure, he could go to jail and run things at agreatly reduced level...or he could stay free and get $10 million. At that moment, greed and the desire to stay free took over an he opted out. None of these guys WANT to go to jail. They go when they have no choice or it's the lesser of al their options.

Second, he would never become like Stringer, he would more likely become like Avon, someone running shit from behind the spotlight. He despised Stringer and what he stood for. He didn't want to be a buisnessman. He may of sold the connect and laid low for a while. But he never would have turned his back on the streets. Maybe he realized that it wasn't for him (it was admitedly a great moment watching him return to the streets in that suit) but I don't think he would have walked down that path even for an instant.

I think you're placing "the game" on too high a pedastal. He had $10 million staring him in the face as opposed to jail. Marlo is, at the end of the day, just as human and flawed as anyone else on the show. Nobody on this show stands by their claimed principles or standards when it's time to save their own asses...why would Marlo be any different? He was trying to be like Stringer...Stringer wanted to be legit as much as possible and was trying his hardest. Marlo took it because it was the best option at the time. He clearly came to realize that he was now a little fish in a huge pond in this new world, hence his impulsive action to the corner and challenging those kids. He needed to feel he had some control and power again.

I would rather have seem him in prison at the end with Chris and WeeBay and Avon or shot dead by the Greeks (which is what I thought was going to happen as soon as he mentioned selling the connect).

The Greeks only kill when they have to. Marlo had little information that would get the core of their operation busted, so there was no need to kill him if he takes the fall.

In the end, Marlo is basically trapped. If he goes back to the streets, he'll likely end up dead with the other druglords gunning for him while he's vulnerabe, or he'll end up in jail for an even longer stretch than what he was looking at before. He has his money, but he's in a world he has no desire for or understanding of.

[TheGameHHH]

It was a great ending to one of the greatest shows on television...ever. I will miss it immensely. Loved the way they wrapped things up for McNulty. Loved seeing Cheese get got. Would have liked to have seen Avon and Bunny maybe a few others. But all in all a fantastic finale. I just have a few minor observations:

Aidan Gillen (Tommy Carcetti) is a terrible actor (not to mention he throws like a child). That first scene is painful to watch. Also, his Irish accent has been really noticeable this season for some reason. It wasn't something i noticed the past 2 seasons.

I agree with some that the whole newspaper storyline never really panned out. It was an interesting idea but it just never really caught on and didn't relate to the heart of the show. Certainly not the way the school system and the docks did. It was very peripheral and I found it to be a distraction last night and for much of the season. We all got the point they were trying to make after the first episode and other than Gus, there really weren't that many interesting characters.

Instead of the media they should have tried to intergrate the prison system into the show. That seems to be a big piece of the puzzle that they never really tackled in any detail. Otherwise, they should have just focused on wrapping up the storylines that were out there already. They did a great job overall, but there was definitely a lot to cover and some of them did seem rushed.

The most suprising thing for me was seeing Marlow in that suit. Syndor meeting with Phelan was strange but Marlow in the suit at the party with Levy was way out of character. First, I don't think he would be so quick to quit the game. He never acted scared of prison before and he wouldn't just blindly follow Levy. Second, he would never become like Stringer, he would more likely become like Avon, someone running shit from behind the spotlight. He despised Stringer and what he stood for. He didn't want to be a buisnessman. He may of sold the connect and laid low for a while. But he never would have turned his back on the streets. Maybe he realized that it wasn't for him (it was admitedly a great moment watching him return to the streets in that suit) but I don't think he would have walked down that path even for an instant. I would rather have seem him in prison at the end with Chris and WeeBay and Avon or shot dead by the Greeks (which is what I thought was going to happen as soon as he mentioned selling the connect).

i gotta agree with you here, theres no way Marlo is cut out to be anything other than a gangster. however, this was the beauty of how the show ended. its not like a happily ever after scenario, maybe one day Marlo does go back to the streets. its in his nature to be out there, hustling robbing and killing. the series finale was just a "for now" ending, eventually if the character ever continued he'd be back in the streets somehow.

[Freakshow]

All in all, I really loved it, and I'm sad to see the series go. I really loved the break around the hour mark that was just shots of Baltimore, and then the parts of the montage at the end that showed similar scenes and then flashes of people on the street. Being in Baltimore really made this show unique, and it's clear that despite all the shit, this show is a love letter to that town. It was those shots that hit me the most emotionally as everything came to a end.

There is something about this place. I can't really explain it. I worked here just out of college and it was the last place i wanted to be. I left for a job in DC but slowly my life was up here. I bought a house up here and finally am switching jobs to one here in the city.

Some of the smallest details are what made the show so great. Characters played by so many recognisable locals like Ed Norris and Governor Ehrlich, and even guys I didn't recognise but read about, who were acting while other characters on the show had events based on their most famous real-life stories.

[TheMojoPin]

There is something about this place. I can't really explain it. I worked here just out of college and it was the last place i wanted to be. I left for a job in DC but slowly my life was up here. I bought a house up here and finally am switching jobs to one here in the city.

Some of the smallest details are what made the show so great. Characters played by so many recognisable locals like Ed Norris and Governor Ehrlich, and even guys I didn't recognise but read about, who were acting while other characters on the show had events based on their most famous real-life stories.

There really is an organic feel to the city, but it's one I've found to be really sad. I'm not saying that slam it...I feel the same way when I've been to Pittsburgh, too. Both are major East Coast cities that were centered around industries that have since left en masse and the cities have been hit really hard since then. It fuels them with a really fierce and loyal survival instinct that's very unique to other major American cities...Detroit's probably the only other exception since it's basically in the same boat.

[TheGameHHH]

Anybody see Levy in the new Arby's commercial? sweet new gig.

[TheMojoPin]

Anybody see Levy in the new Arby's commercial? sweet new gig.

That's actualy a few years old. I remember seeing it after the first season and thinking, "hey, that's Barksdale's scumbag lawyer!" He started showing up in tons of other commercials around then.

[Freakshow]

The newspaper boss with the sqiggy voice does verizon radio commercials. Every time I see him I go 'what's with all the toast?'

[Furtherman]

15 Brilliant Moments from The Wire (http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20166944_20166999_20183040,00.html)

A fun piece by Entertainment Weekly.

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/080307/the-wire-s1-ep3_l.jpg
D'Angelo tries to teach Wallace and Bodie the game of chess. ''This,'' he says, kissing a piece, ''is the king pin, aiight? He the man.'' The boys figure Avon for their King, Stringer the Queen, and the Castle the drug stash. ''These are the pawns, they like soldiers,'' says D'Angelo. ''They be out of the game early.'' All three boys are dead by series' end.

[tbonesteak]

15 Brilliant Moments from The Wire (http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20166944_20166999_20183040,00.html)

A fun piece by Entertainment Weekly.

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/080307/the-wire-s1-ep3_l.jpg

That's one of the best scenes from the whole show. Easily top 3 if not my favorite. They missed the clincher at the end, too, when Bodie says, "unless they some smart ass pawns." It was scenes like this one that made me fall in love with the show. The scene with Bunk and McNulty going over the crime scene is up there too, very reminiscent of Homicide. Although I've rented tv series on Netflix before, I've never felt the need to own an entire series until now.

[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, the chess scene was really the moment where the series truly clicked for me and went from just being really good to something amazing:

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Seeing the shot of the chessboard in the final episode montage was fantastic and was one of the moments where I definitely felt a lot of sadness seeing everything end.

I think the Pit scene with the discussion about chicken nuggets was another one of "those moments," too. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=kGknlEWjxZc&feature=related)

[scottinnj]

The two that got to me were Bodie and Dukie. When Bodie got shot, it really got to me, and watching Dukie shoot up after everything he had been through and what he could have been, I just hope that in TV Heaven, "The Wire" will run enough seasons to have Dukie turn out like Bubbles.

[TheMojoPin]

The two that got to me were Bodie and Dukie. When Bodie got shot, it really got to me, and watching Dukie shoot up after everything he had been through and what he could have been, I just hope that in TV Heaven, "The Wire" will run enough seasons to have Dukie turn out like Bubbles.

Awwww, man, what about Wallace? And D'Angelo? It was kinda sad to see Bodie go, but he made no effort to get out an played the "gangsta" life to the hilt when he needed to. Wallace and D'Angelo both showed they were caught up in something they just weren't made for, but couldn't escape, so their deaths hit me much harder than Bodie's.

[Snoogans]

The hardest part for me to sit through of the entire series was when Michael was giving Bug to his Aunt, and then sayin goodbye to Dukie. You knew he did it to protect them, but at the same time, you knew it was Dukie's death sentence.

[tbonesteak]

Awwww, man, what about Wallace? And D'Angelo? It was kinda sad to see Bodie go, but he made no effort to get out an played the "gangsta" life to the hilt when he needed to. Wallace and D'Angelo both showed they were caught up in something they just weren't made for, but couldn't escape, so their deaths hit me much harder than Bodie's.

I would add Frank Sobotka to the top of that list. Seeing him get it at the end of Season 2 was truly heart breaking. Other than seeing Dukie shooting up, which I agree was one of the most painful moments of the whole show, I think that was the most depressing.

The thing about D'Angelo and Wallace was that they were snitching on their own crew, so there was some sense to their deaths. It was heartbreaking, no doubt, but there was some justice to the whole thing. Bodie may have been about to snitch on Marlow, but he was never part of Marlow's crew and the reason he turned was because Marlow was living outside Bodie's "code" of the street. The killings were becoming senseless and Bodie couldn't take it any more. He knew he couldn't escape and he accepted his fate and that's what made it all the more tragic.

[TheMojoPin]

The thing about D'Angelo and Wallace was that they were snitching on their own crew, so there was some sense to their deaths.

Sense? Wallace was a kid who saw the brutality of the people around him when they tortured and murdered Omar's boy and then left his mutilated corpse out for all to see. He was going to "snitch" on some savage murderers. D'Angelo was only going to "snitch" after he found out about Wallace's murder combined with the murders of the two security guards...two people who didn't have to die. The only "sense" in their murders comes from the persepctive of those wrapped up in "the game." Wallace and D'Angelo actually came to their senses, though only momentarily. Both ultimately gave up on their desire to "do right," but still were murdered.

The AV Club has an interview up with Michael "Omar" Williams. (http://www.avclub.com/content/interview/michael_kenneth_williams)

The also posted one with David Simon a few days ago. (http://www.avclub.com/content/interview/david_simon)

[Knowledged_one]

I thought one of the best scenes was from the first season after Kima gets shot and McNulty is blaming himself and Rawls who hates McNulty to no end told him the following:

Listen to me, McNulty. You took a lot of risks. You played a lot of wild cards. And, you made a lot of fucking people do a lot of things they didn't want to do. You, McNulty are a gaping asshole. I know it, and I'll be fucked if everybody in CID didn't know it. But, I'll be also fucked if I let you sit here and think you did a single fucking thing to get a fucking police shot. Believe it or not, not everything is about you. Get it into your head McNulty it's not your fault. And the motherfucker telling you this, he fucking hates your guts. So, you know, that if it was your fault, I'd be the first son of a bitch to tell you. Shit went bad, she took two for the company. That's the only lesson here.

McNulty to me is still the most tragic of the characters in the series who gets hurt the most and is at his human worst when he's at his police best

[TheMojoPin]

I thought one of the best scenes was from the first season after Kima gets shot and McNulty is blaming himself and Rawls who hates McNulty to no end told him the following:

Listen to me, McNulty. You took a lot of risks. You played a lot of wild cards. And, you made a lot of fucking people do a lot of things they didn't want to do. You, McNulty are a gaping asshole. I know it, and I'll be fucked if everybody in CID didn't know it. But, I'll be also fucked if I let you sit here and think you did a single fucking thing to get a fucking police shot. Believe it or not, not everything is about you. Get it into your head McNulty it's not your fault. And the motherfucker telling you this, he fucking hates your guts. So, you know, that if it was your fault, I'd be the first son of a bitch to tell you. Shit went bad, she took two for the company. That's the only lesson here.

McNulty to me is still the most tragic of the characters in the series who gets hurt the most and is at his human worst when he's at his police best

Rawls is great in that scene. It would have been so easy to always play Rawls and Landsman as such caricatures who only make bad decisions and don't care about anything except themselves, but you see them ultimately step up when shit is on the line. Landsman obviously did this a LOT more than Rawls, but I think Rawls' actions the entire time after Kima was shot shows that there's a lot more to him than just being the dickish boss.

The best is when the DEA guys is trying to bring up the money used in the fake buy and Rawls finally just stops him and says, "hey...fuck your money," and just walks off.

[Servo]

One of my favorite season 1 scenes is when Stringer and Levy go see D'Angelo after he gets popped in Jersey. D'Angelo starts asking about Wallace - "Where's the boy, String?" Stringer replies quietly "D'Angelo, shut your mouth." By the end of the scene D is yelling "Where the fuck is Wallace?!", as they just walk out on him.

[TheMojoPin]

One of my favorite season 1 scenes is when Stringer and Levy go see D'Angelo after he gets popped in Jersey. D'Angelo starts asking about Wallace - "Where's the boy, String?" Stringer replies quietly "D'Angelo, shut your mouth." By the end of the scene D is yelling "Where the fuck is Wallace?!", as they just walk out on him.

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Those final scenes between Avon on Stringer are up there for me:

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[Earlshog]

When McNulty goes apeshit on Levy in his office when Keema is shot is great, then in the next scene he rips Pearlman a new ass. Something to the effect of "everyone stays friends so they can become judges". Sure enough who is a judge at the end of the series.

[TheMojoPin]

When McNulty goes apeshit on Levy in his office when Keema is shot is great, then in the next scene he rips Pearlman a new ass. Something to the effect of "everyone stays friends so they can become judges". Sure enough who is a judge at the end of the series.

That was Judge Phelan. Levy is the balding drug lawyer.

And yeah, Pearlamn becoming a judge is definitely "what comes around." Phelan even mentioned something about her "putting up with this shit for another 10 years and you'll be a circuit court judge." Well, 6-7 years later, there she is. I would assume at the end she's actually a magistrate, but it's still the predicted path.

[Knowledged_one]

I have said it before the scene at the start of one of the episodes of season 2 when Prez was redoing the board of who they were tracking and making sense of the whole thing for everyone

It was to a Johnny Cash song as well i believe

Do you realize that Prez may have been the smartest member of the entire team for major crimes?
He cracked the major code in Season 1 that set it all in motion

[Servo]

That was Judge Phelan. Levy is the balding drug lawyer.


I think he's right, it was Levy. It was the scene where McNulty and Pearlman go to Levy's office to try to convince him to get Savino to turn himself in.

[TheMojoPin]

I think he's right, it was Levy. It was the scene where McNulty and Pearlman go to Levy's office to try to convince him to get Savino to turn himself in.

Yeah, he is right. I forgot about that scene.

[TheMojoPin]

I have said it before the scene at the start of one of the episodes of season 2 when Prez was redoing the board of who they were tracking and making sense of the whole thing for everyone

It was to a Johnny Cash song as well i believe

Do you realize that Prez may have been the smartest member of the entire team for major crimes?
He cracked the major code in Season 1 that set it all in motion

It was "Ring of Fire."

I wish YouTube had the clip of Ziggy shooting the Turkish fence. That whole scene, and the Ziggy's realization of what he did when he's back in the car is amazing.

[Servo]

It was "Ring of Fire."

I wish YouTube had the clip of Ziggy shooting the Turkish fence. That whole scene, and the Ziggy's realization of what he did when he's back in the car is amazing.

Yes! Where he tries to light the cigarette and he can't, and it just falls out of his mouth. Great scene. That guy was a real good actor, beyond all the goofy stuff his character did.

[Earlshog]

After Mr. Simon finished speaking about the show’s structure and this season’s storyline, the lecture was opened up for questions. Obviously, I took my chance… and because Matt was in a state of perpetual man-crush, I had to speak for both of us. Mind you, all other questions asked were philosophical in nature and far over my tiny capacity for thought and reason. Then it was my turn.

"Mr. Simon," I said, "my peer and I have a question we’ve discussed endlessly, and if I don’t ask you this now, I’ll never forgive myself. Are Randy Wagstaff and Cheese Wagstaff related?"

"I’ll tell you," he said. "Randy is actually Cheese’s son."



"You just blew my mind," I said, on the brink of puking, or passing out. "Why did you decide not to include that in the storyline?"

"Well, we talked about it, but there were only ten episodes this season… and we just felt that by not saying it, it fleshed out the skeleton of the story a little more," he said.

[hammersavage]

A Final THANK YOU to the "Wire" Fans---From David Simon

A last thank you to those HBO subscribers who took the time and care to accompany us on this journey. The Wire arrived, six years ago, to little fanfare and modest expectation. It demanded from viewers a delicate, patient consideration, and a ridiculous degree of attention to detail.

It wasn't for everyone. We proved that rather quickly.

But episode to episode, you began to understand that we were committed to creating something careful and ornate, something that might resonate. You took Lester Freamon at his word: That we were building something here and all the pieces matter.

When we took a chainsaw to the first season, choosing to begin the second-story arc with an entirely different theme and different characters, you followed us to the port and our elegy for America's working class. When we shifted again, taking up the political culture of our mythical city in season three, you remained loyal. And when we ended the Barksdale arc and began an exploration of public education, you were, by that time, we hope, elated to understand that whatever else might happen, The Wire would not waste your time telling the same story twice.


This year, our drama asked its last thematic question: Why, if there is any truth to anything presented in The Wire over the last four seasons, does that truth go unaddressed by our political culture, by most of our mass media, and by our society in general?

We've given our answer:

We are a culture without the will to seriously examine our own problems. We eschew that which is complex, contradictory or confusing. As a culture, we seek simple solutions. We enjoy being provoked and titillated, but resist the rigorous, painstaking examination of issues that might, in the end, bring us to the point of recognizing our problems, which is the essential first step to solving any of them.

The Wire is fiction. Many of the events depicted over the last five seasons did not, to our knowledge, happen. Fewer happened in the exact manner described. Fiction is fiction, and it should in no way be confused with journalism.

But it is also fair to note that the problems themselves — politicians cooking crime stats for higher office, school administrators teaching test questions to vindicate No Child Left Behind, sensitive prosecutions and investigations being undercut for political motives, brutal drug wars fought amid a police department's ignorance of and indifference to the forces involved -- were indeed problems in the recent history of the actual Baltimore, Maryland.

Few of these matters received the serious attention — or, in some cases — any attention from the media. These problems exist in plain sight, ready to be addressed by anyone seriously committed to doing so. For those of us writing The Wire, a television drama, story research involved dragging the right police lieutenants or school teachers, prosecutors and political functionaries to neighborhood diners and bars and taking story notes down on cocktail napkins and paper placemats. To be more precise with their tales? To record it and relay it in a manner that can stand as non-fiction truthtelling? Yes, that's harder to do. But there was a time when journalism regarded that kind of coverage as its highest mission. The true stories that The Wire traded in are out there, waiting for anyone willing to take the time. And it is, of course, vaguely disturbing to us that our unlikely little television drama is making arguments that were once the prerogative of more serious mediums.

We tried to be entertaining, but in no way did we want to be mistaken for entertainment. We tried to provoke, to critique and debate and rant a bit. We wanted an argument. We think a few good arguments are needed still, that there is much more to be said and it is entirely likely that there are better ideas than the ones we offered. But nothing happens unless the shit is stirred. That, for us, was job one.

If you followed us for sixty hours, and you find yourself caring about these issues more than you thought you would, then perhaps the next step is to engage and to demand, where possible, a more sophisticated and meaningful response from authority when it comes to such things as the drug war, educational reform or responsible political leadership. The Wire is about the America we pay for and tolerate. Perhaps it is possible to pay for, and demand, something more.

Again, accept our sincere thanks for making the commitment to watch a show as improbable and problematic as ours and for considering the arguments and issues seriously. We are surprised as you are to be here at the end, on our own terms, still standing. As a cast and crew, we're proud. But the credit is not all ours. It's yours as well for believing, year after year, in this story.

David Simon
Baltimore, Md.
March 10, 2008

[hammersavage]

for anyone in NYC this Thursday, I'll be there.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3369/thewireeventpostermj7.jpg

[Furtherman]

‘The Wire’ Finale's Montage: A Shot-by-Shot Commentary (http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2008/03/the_wire_finales_final_montage.html)

[EffMeBoobs]

The cast of The Wire tackle a question that has plagued western civilization for millennia. (http://www.ugo.com/movies/minotaur-vs-centaur/?cur=wire)

[TheMojoPin]

The cast of The Wire tackle a question that has plagued western civilization for millennia. (http://www.ugo.com/movies/minotaur-vs-centaur/?cur=wire)

That is insanely random and hysterical.

[EffMeBoobs]

That is insanely random and hysterical.

Why thank you.




I knew Norman would turn the question around and be all philosophical. He's smart like that.

[Furtherman]

This was news to me...

Thomas McCarthy, who played the sneaky Tempelton, is also a director. He directed The Station Agent (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0340377/), which was a great little flick by the way.

He's got a new movie coming out, The Visitor (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=43639), with Richard Jenkins, who was so excellent as the dead Dad on Six Feet Under.

[moskos]

Forgive the shameless promotion, but my book Cop in the Hood is just out. It's like the Wire, Season 6. But real. I love the Wire. I love my book. Maybe you will, too. They have a lot in common. A policed the Eastern District in Baltimore, where a lot the Wire was filmed. Hampsterdam was in my sector. And I too think drugs should be legalized. See www.copinthehood.com for more.

[hammersavage]

For as much as I hated Templeton, I loved the Station Agent so he's ok in my book now.

[TheMojoPin]

Forgive the shameless promotion, but my book Cop in the Hood is just out. It's like the Wire, Season 6. But real. I love the Wire. I love my book. Maybe you will, too. They have a lot in common. A policed the Eastern District in Baltimore, where a lot the Wire was filmed. Hampsterdam was in my sector. And I too think drugs should be legalized. See www.copinthehood.com for more.

Please clear things like this with the board staff. The site and the book look interesting, but we try and cut down on the spam.

[Furtherman]

He's got a new movie coming out, The Visitor (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=43639), with Richard Jenkins, who was so excellent as the dead Dad on Six Feet Under.

The movie gets an excellent review. (http://www.nypost.com/seven/04112008/entertainment/movies/different_drummers_105957.htm)


BEST movie I've seen so far this year? Hands down, it's Tom McCarthy's superb "The Visitor," which turns Richard Jenkins, one of the best character actors in the business, into a full-fledged star.

Nice.

[FunkyDrummer]

http://www.tvshowsondvd.net/graphics/news3/TheWire_S5_early.jpg

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Wire-Season-5/9305

[Knowledged_one]

I am reading Homicide the book and it is great and there is a scene in there where the guy talks to his partner about how he f'd him gently because it was the first time

Which was paralleled with McNulty and Bunk

Awesome book for any Wire or HLOTS fans

[TheMojoPin]

I am reading Homicide the book and it is great and there is a scene in there where the guy talks to his partner about how he f'd him gently because it was the first time

Which was paralleled with McNulty and Bunk

Awesome book for any Wire or HLOTS fans

You'll see a bunch of scenes from that book that made it to The Wire. The very first opening scene of the series, about "Snot Boogie," is from the book.

[TheMojoPin]

http://www.tvshowsondvd.net/graphics/news3/TheWire_S5_early.jpg

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Wire-Season-5/9305

6 audio commentaries? Nice! It was cool they stepped it up and had, I think, 5 of them on season 4's set. If ever a series benefited by haing more commentaries, it's this one. Hopefully they get more of the cast members...the one from season 2 with Omar and McNulty is hystrerical.

[Knowledged_one]

Yeah im 200 pages in but its so good im conflicted about reading it fast and limiting myself to 20 pages a day, i remember how bad things were in DC and Baltimore at that time, I was 12 but not super aware of everything. Its odd wehre i grew up (Columbia) is the midpoint between the two cities but never saw any of the violence

[FunkyDrummer]

6 audio commentaries? Nice! It was cool they stepped it up and had, I think, 5 of them on season 4's set. If ever a series benefited by haing more commentaries, it's this one. Hopefully they get more of the cast members...the one from season 2 with Omar and McNulty is hystrerical.

I gotta go back and check that one out. Remember which episode it's on?

[TheMojoPin]

Episode 6.

[ChrisBrown]

I read an interview in Q magazine with Dominic West and he said both he and Michael Williams were high when they did the season 2 commentary.

[TheMojoPin]

I read an interview in Q magazine with Dominic West and he said both he and Michael Williams were high when they did the season 2 commentary.

Sounds about right.

[FunkyDrummer]

Episode 6.

Thank you, sir.

[FunkyDrummer]

Article (http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-2008tcaawardnominees,0,2696345.story)

[Knowledged_one]

after reading the book, i would be happy if they did another season on teh cops dealing with the courts

[Furtherman]

Article (http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-2008tcaawardnominees,0,2696345.story)

The Wire probably will win a bunch of awards (I'm looking at you Emmys) this year, but only because they should have been winning them year after year, but didn't.

[BoondockSaint]

Anyone else see that Michael is going to star in a new version of 90210? I'm guessing that the character may be slightly different.

[Furtherman]

I hope he's robbing student's lunch money.

Incidentally, he's on a five story billboard in Times Square for Jay-Z's clothing line. I'd think 99.9% of people out there have no idea who he is.

[hammersavage]

Bubbles is in a new movie with Josh Hartnett called "August" that actually looks really good. A Wall Street but for the dotcom bust.

[TheGameHHH]

Anyone else see that Michael is going to star in a new version of 90210? I'm guessing that the character may be slightly different.

but he's just a kid *bang*......and thats just a knee

michael rules

[Earlshog]

Bennie Russell is the new HR rep on the office....

[FunkyDrummer]

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/061030/125320__mkw_l.jpg

Omar (Michael K. Williams) is in 5 movies in 2008, including Spike Lee's Miracle at St. Anna (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1046997/). It's good to see the Wire actors getting work and weird how a lot of them pop up in commercials (Levy the Lawyer and Clay Davis).

[FunkyDrummer]

Bunk! (http://blog.nola.com/davewalker/2008/07/treme_script_wowed_hbo_exec.html)

[Furtherman]

"The Wire," the just-ended, critically acclaimed HBO drama about police and drug dealers in Baltimore, lost its last shot at a best-drama nod after years of Emmy snubs. It received one nomination Thursday, for writing.

Shame.

[hammersavage]

I feel anger but those assholes who hand out awards just never fucking get it right. they should all die in a fire.

[Knowledged_one]

i just rewatched seasons 1 and 2 again

man Wallace is a tragic character in the first season same with DeAngelo

And it was good to watch Ziggy's decent into madness again

[TheMojoPin]

It would have oddly felt false if they had gotten Emmy nods at the end.

[Willmore]

While the 5th season wasn't as good as the other ones, it was still a head above the other dramas. I liked Dexter and Lost, but not as much as The Wire, and I haven't watched Mad Men yet. And Boston Legal was never even on my radar.

It's a travesty that The Wire never got an emmy. It was sort of a perfect storm situation - always overshadowed by the Sopranos on HBO and in it's best chance to win, Lost comes in and takes all the credit.

I think the problem is that HBO is in decline and it's unable to market its shows properly. Entourage, Curb, The Wire those are some of the best shows on TV, yet they don't get anywhere near the acclaim or the attention as network or even cable shows.

Truly sad.


On the bright side, up next for David Simon - a show about musicians in post-Katrina New Orleans.

[Knowledged_one]

While the 5th season wasn't as good as the other ones, it was still a head above the other dramas. I liked Dexter and Lost, but not as much as The Wire, and I haven't watched Mad Men yet. And Boston Legal was never even on my radar.

It's a travesty that The Wire never got an emmy. It was sort of a perfect storm situation - always overshadowed by the Sopranos on HBO and in it's best chance to win, Lost comes in and takes all the credit.

I think the problem is that HBO is in decline and it's unable to market its shows properly. Entourage, Curb, The Wire those are some of the best shows on TV, yet they don't get anywhere near the acclaim or the attention as network or even cable shows.

Truly sad.


On the bright side, up next for David Simon - a show about musicians in post-Katrina New Orleans.

See i thought the last season was really good, to me season 5 was a lot like season 2 where the focus wasnt on the drug trade as much as the other seasons

After going back and watching season 2 (which most people i know didnt like) it really is a great season

However, i will give you the actual "wire" used in Season 5 was done a bit fast and not really explained like the rest but i think that was done just to show what they were trying to hide in order to get marlow

[El Mudo]

It would have oddly felt false if they had gotten Emmy nods at the end.

I can understand your point in that...but still...


ONE nomination? and 30 Rock gets 17?


there is no place in this world for decent, smart programming...all people want is the crap fed to them, which sucks

[Furtherman]

It would have been some good publicity for the actors, who deserve good, steady work.

[FunkyDrummer]

Dominic West aka McNulty interview (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/jul/17/television.usa)

[FunkyDrummer]

They finally won something (http://www.tvsquad.com/2008/07/19/tca-awards-mad-men-30-rock-and-the-wire-are-big-winners-tca/).

[FunkyDrummer]

Making the Wire (http://www.villagevoice.com/events/making-the-wire-521355/)

With David Simon, Richard Price, Seth Gilliam, Clark Johnson, Lance Reddick, and Wendell Pierce in person
Wednesday, July 30, 7:00 p.m.
At The Times Center, 242 West 41 Street, Manhattan

Limited tickets are available to Museum members only.
Tickets: $15 Museum members/Free for Sponsor-level members and above/$25 non-members. Members should order by phone at 718.784.4520.

[FunkyDrummer]

David Simon still hates the Internet: “The Internet is a parasite, and it’s killing the host.”

LINK (http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2008/07/david_simon_and_the_wire_cast.html)

[IamFogHat]

My brother's a manager at Best Buy and he just told me the Wire season 5 comes out on DVD this Tuesday, August 12! I hadn't even checked around for dates cause I was figuring it wouldn't come out until the holiday season like all the other big box sets. Holla!

[hammersavage]

Look at that, so it does. Thanks for the heads up.



I've come to a conclusion and I want to throw it out there to see if anyone else feels the same way. I think the Wire is the greatest drama that's ever been on TV. And for a long time, it KILLED me that a) no one watched (I started watching live at season 3 but still) and b) it never won shit even though it was clearly the best.

But now it doesn't bother me at all because of a similar situation that's happened with me and Arrested Development. I was AD's most loyal watcher and loud advocate. I would yell at my friends for not watching, I tried to explain the brilliance that they weren't getting but in the end, it got me nowhere and the show was canceled.

In the past month I've had 5 different friends tell me how funny of a show it was. Their just getting to watch it on DVD for the first time. It's kinda cool, years later I get to go through the show from the beginning with friends who have never seen it. It doesn't change the fact that if they watched when it was on, it might still be there. But it may have stayed on long enough to go downhill which it never did.

It's the same for the Wire. I know that in about a year, a few people will come up to me cuz they know i'm a fan and tell me how great of a show it was. And I'll be able to experience the show over again through them.

It's kinda cool, it was my little secret while it was on and now that its gone, people are finally gonna try to share in it. It lives on....

[Knowledged_one]

Look at that, so it does. Thanks for the heads up.



I've come to a conclusion and I want to throw it out there to see if anyone else feels the same way. I think the Wire is the greatest drama that's ever been on TV. And for a long time, it KILLED me that a) no one watched (I started watching live at season 3 but still) and b) it never won shit even though it was clearly the best.

But now it doesn't bother me at all because of a similar situation that's happened with me and Arrested Development. I was AD's most loyal watcher and loud advocate. I would yell at my friends for not watching, I tried to explain the brilliance that they weren't getting but in the end, it got me nowhere and the show was canceled.

In the past month I've had 5 different friends tell me how funny of a show it was. Their just getting to watch it on DVD for the first time. It's kinda cool, years later I get to go through the show from the beginning with friends who have never seen it. It doesn't change the fact that if they watched when it was on, it might still be there. But it may have stayed on long enough to go downhill which it never did.

It's the same for the Wire. I know that in about a year, a few people will come up to me cuz they know i'm a fan and tell me how great of a show it was. And I'll be able to experience the show over again through them.

It's kinda cool, it was my little secret while it was on and now that its gone, people are finally gonna try to share in it. It lives on....

Wire fan from Day 1

[Furtherman]

It doesn't change the fact that if they watched when it was on, it might still be there.

It wouldn't have mattered if everyone you know and everyone they know watched Arrested Development. It only mattered if Nielsen families watched. They didn't.

And you can count me as one of those AD converts. Never watched it while it was on, but now enjoy the DVDs. I'm not a Nielsen, so it doesn't matter.

The show was just too smart for the bulk of where the Nielsen families are located.

[hammersavage]

It wouldn't have mattered if everyone you know and everyone they know watched Arrested Development. It only mattered if Nielsen families watched. They didn't.

And you can count me as one of those AD converts. Never watched it while it was on, but now enjoy the DVDs. I'm not a Nielsen, so it doesn't matter.

The show was just too smart for the bulk of where the Nielsen families are located.

Well then fuck Leslie Nielsen
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/Leslie_Nielsen.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

LookIt doesn't change the fact that if they watched when it was on, it might still be there.

Nope. Simon and co. always said from day one that they had a 5 season story to tell.

[hammersavage]

Nope. Simon and co. always said from day one that they had a 5 season story to tell.

i was referencing AD.

[Willmore]

Nope. Simon and co. always said from day one that they had a 5 season story to tell.

Correct. They were offered to do a 6th season, because HBO loved the show, but the writers simply had no other storyline to tell. The only other thing about Baltimore worth telling was the growth of the Latino population, but the writers had no connection to it, so they didn't feel right writing about something they didn't know.

[FunkyDrummer]

Listen to "Making The Wire" Podcast (http://www.movingimage.us/pinewood/index.php?globalnav=dialogues&sectionnav=detail&program_id=309)

[FunkyDrummer]

http://www.tvshowsondvd.net/graphics/news3/TheWire_Complete_int.jpg

http://www.tvshowsondvd.net/graphics/news3/TheWire_Complete.jpg

Coming in December (http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Wire-The-Complete-Series/10463)

[Chimee]

And I got all 5 seasons for about $175.

[TheMojoPin]

If that box set has any special features that the individual sets don't, I'm gonna be pissed.

[Crippler]

The complete Series Box Set, still $249 at HBO.com, was a steal at BestBuy for the last two weeks at $135. Now it's on backorder for a week or two, but if you're willing to wait it can be yours for $89.99!

The Wire Complete Series at BestBuy.com for $89.99 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9124716&st=the+wire&lp=1&type=product&cp=1&id=1914343)