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BYOBKenobi

11-22-2006, 11:21 AM

I'm rewatching the whole series, and this is what I've got date wise:When Hiro first teleports it's October 2nd.He teleports to November 8th, finds a dead Isaac, a newspaper that announced Nathan Petrelli wins by a landslide, and the nuke goes off.In that same episode, Claire mentions the homecomming game in 3 weeks.That leaves between a week and two weeks to save the world from the homecomming game.   I also figured out my problem with the show.  It's a time based series.  There's only from october 2nd through november 8th to save the world.  I wish they'd just show it every night for a  month and end the show like a mini series.  You know that this season is going to end with the bomb going off and something like "we saved the wrong cheerleader" or some shit and then the next season will be the whole first season over again with time traveling people trying to adjust things.A cliff hanger is fine when you are watching a show like The Shield or The Simpsons or some other show where there is no time limit on the activity and each show is a self contained entity.  This show is just a shit load of plot points leading about a month into the future and they're going to drag it out?  It's so frustrating.How long could this show go on?  How are they going to make this a lasting series if it's a hit?  Are they going to ruin it by going too far?

MadMatt

11-22-2006, 11:39 AM

BYOBKenobi wrote: I'm rewatching the whole series, and this is what I've got date wise:When Hiro first teleports it's October 2nd.He teleports to November 8th, finds a dead Isaac, a newspaper that announced Nathan Petrelli wins by a landslide, and the nuke goes off.In that same episode, Claire mentions the homecomming game in 3 weeks.That leaves between a week and two weeks to save the world from the homecomming game.  I also figured out my problem with the show.  It's a time based series.  There's only from october 2nd through november 8th to save the world.  I wish they'd just show it every night for a  month and end the show like a mini series.  You know that this season is going to end with the bomb going off and something like "we saved the wrong cheerleader" or some shit and then the next season will be the whole first season over again with time traveling people trying to adjust things.A cliff hanger is fine when you are watching a show like The Shield or The Simpsons or some other show where there is no time limit on the activity and each show is a self contained entity.  This show is just a shit load of plot points leading about a month into the future and they're going to drag it out?  It's so frustrating.How long could this show go on?  How are they going to make this a lasting series if it's a hit?  Are they going to ruin it by going too far?  Have you ever heard of a little show called "24"?  The whole series is one day.  Feel happy that we have a 6 week period to work with.  New threats are always available, so they don't have to focus on just the destruction of NY.Plus, how do you know that time travel is always going to be part of the show?  What if Hiro is killed or determines that time travel has too many risks?  There is a lot more that can happen, so don't count the series out yet.I seriously doubt that the writers and producers will pull a "Witchblade" and have the second season be an altered replay of the first season.  Even if they do, hopefully they will have some consideration for the fans and NOT make it a hack premise.

blakjeezis

11-22-2006, 11:46 AM

How long could this show go on?  How are they going to make this a lasting series if it's a hit?  Are they going to ruin it by going too far? I read an interview Tim Kring, the creator of Heroes, did with J.J. Abrams (apparently the two are friends) and he said that he has the show plotted out for 5 years. Now, the impression I got was that he intends to finish it after 5 years, but who knows.

BYOBKenobi

11-22-2006, 11:49 AM

MadMatt wrote: Have you ever heard of a little show called "24"?  The whole series is one day.  Feel happy that we have a 6 week period to work with.  New threats are always available, so they don't have to focus on just the destruction of NY.Plus, how do you know that time travel is always going to be part of the show?  What if Hiro is killed or determines that time travel has too many risks?  There is a lot more that can happen, so don't count the series out yet.I seriously doubt that the writers and producers will pull a "Witchblade" and have the second season be an altered replay of the first season.  Even if they do, hopefully they will have some consideration for the fans and NOT make it a hack premise.  I don't watch 24 because I find that premise to be frustrating.  I don't know how they handle the 24 hours thing, but isn't that show beyond it's second season?  It feels like a premise for an amazing movie or mini series, but I feel like it would get played out, or stretched out, beyond my appreciation.Someone said on ron and fez that british shows have fewer episodes and a finite number of episodes.  That sounds very appealing to me.  I'd rather have a show that has a finite run that is wrapped up nicely in a year or two than to have the writers constantly trying to make new threats.  But of course, if done well, it could be awesome.I feel like Heroes is being stretched out allready.  The time travel thing, even if it's not a constant part of the show, makes it so nothing that happens on screen is final, so you have a ton to speculate about.  That is a pro and con.  Wouldn't it be fun to watch this like Band of Brothers that was an hour every week, ran like 10 episodes, every one of which was a complete, stand alone episode, and at the end it was over?  I guess it's just that I'm so into it that I want more of it and I want to know more every time, but I feel like this could go on forever in the same time frame.  Also, actors age.  They are dealing with Claire who's in high school... and pulling it off well... how much longer will that actress be able to pull of the high school gimmick?  It's not like the show is all adults.  Think of Miccah.  He's going to grow up fast, so they can't just keep rehashing the same time without him being a young adult very quickly.  Mary Walker?  Miccah?  Claire?  They aren't going to be able to pull of their gimmicks forever.  If this show is going to be set up for an indefinate ammount of seasons and be more of an xmen thing than it allraedy is, I wish they'd get to the homecomming, save the cheerleader, and get it out of the way once and for all so that we could move on with the sustainable angle of the show... but I'm impatient.

BYOBKenobi

11-22-2006, 11:54 AM

blakjeezis wrote: How long could this show go on?  How are they going to make this a lasting series if it's a hit?  Are they going to ruin it by going too far? I read an interview Tim Kring, the creator of Heroes, did with J.J. Abrams (apparently the two are friends) and he said that he has the show plotted out for 5 years. Now, the impression I got was that he intends to finish it after 5 years, but who knows.  That's cool, but I really hope it's not a series of plot points week after week like it is now.  I hope they get to a point where they can have stand alone episodes with satisfying endings each week that fit into the overall plot of the show (ex The Shield).  In the shield they had stand alone episodes that all moved the plot along.  You would get into what's going on, it would be solved, or at least moved ahead and it left you at a place where you felt like you got a full episode but had to watch next week.  I feel like all we're getting is plot points, a little development here and there, and a lot of filler.  (I LOVE THE SHOW).  I don't want a 10 minute scene between claire and her friend that brings nothign to the table and then a 10 min montage (MONTAGE) of events in 4 other heroes lives and then back to 10 minutes of filler.The other thing that sucks about a show like this is if viewership drops off we'll never get closure.  If anyone watched the cartoon THE MAXX on MTV's liquid television in the 90s you know what I'm talking about.  It was a great show that left with a huge cliff hanger on the season finale but never came back... I'm still seaking closure on that one.

MadMatt

11-22-2006, 12:12 PM

I completely get where you are coming from BYOBKenobi.  I wish the shows were a little more "concise" and the plot moved along a little faster.  I also think the British format is far superior to what we have in the US, but Network TV is not likely to change anytime soon (the best hope there is cable - like The Shield).That said, I think they are going with a different vibe for Heroes - most obviously they are trying to replicate Lost.  They are shooting for an ongoing mystery with lots of characters involved.  Some questions are answered on a weekly basis while others come to the surface - it's in a constant state of flux.  I agree this can be frustrating, but you have to look at it as a "big picture" situation that can ultimately add to the series longevity.I am also hoping they end up taking a "Quentin Tarantino" direction, where it starts out with many plot points that eventually intersect and become a single cohesive entity.  Since it is a series, the process will just take a lot longer than a 2 hour movie.

BYOBKenobi

11-22-2006, 12:19 PM

MadMatt wrote: I completely get where you are coming from BYOBKenobi.  I wish the shows were a little more "concise" and the plot moved along a little faster.  I also think the British format is far superior to what we have in the US, but Network TV is not likely to change anytime soon (the best hope there is cable - like The Shield).That said, I think they are going with a different vibe for Heroes - most obviously they are trying to replicate Lost.  They are shooting for an ongoing mystery with lots of characters involved.  Some questions are answered on a weekly basis while others come to the surface - it's in a constant state of flux.  I agree this can be frustrating, but you have to look at it as a "big picture" situation that can ultimately add to the series longevity.I am also hoping they end up taking a "Quentin Tarantino" direction, where it starts out with many plot points that eventually intersect and become a single cohesive entity.  Since it is a series, the process will just take a lot longer than a 2 hour movie.  I think you just hit what bothers me.  It just seems like when we "learn a little more" it's such a quick and fleeting moment of realization.  Like when we find out that Eden works with Claire's father.  It was a major plot point, but it wasn't really done justice.  Lost is different because it's not a timed event.  I think the fact that there is so little time left, so much has passed, and we haven't had a ton of real action bothers me.  I love it, but it's more like a soap opera than an action based series.  I'd love for the series to go on for a very long time, but that's only if it takes on a new direction where they aren't trying to "save the cheerleader, save the world" anymore but are taking on some other evil like xmen.  I think lost crosed with xmen is the best way to describe this show.I think I like what they are doing with the next episode (I read spoilers which were basically just show descriptions to figure out what the hell the next episode is going to be like).  The only thing that bothers me is that all of Isaac's paintings are coming true, but there is no hiro/ando presence at homecomming, so they are going to have to go back to the homecomming at some point (probably season finale).

cougarjake13

11-22-2006, 02:10 PM

BYOBKenobi wrote: What about the short haired hypnotist chick?  How did she know who Sylar was, what he looked like, where to find him, or that he was trying to hurt her when he put his hand up?  If all she had to do was confront him and put him to sleep so the dominican dude could wipe his brain and basically neuter him, why not shadow Claire and do it when he shows his face?  Is she working against Claire's dad?  Could she and the other mind control guy be setting up a mutant army a la xmen?claires dad told her to go and get him after issac couldnt produce a painting that he likedso somehow he knows about sylar, agree with you on the shadow claire thing if she could do that why not just do it like you said instead of going through the trouble of issac

lleeder

11-22-2006, 03:26 PM

Do you think Ando goes back to Japan after waiting for Hiro to come back from his time trip? He was in Japan when the world exploded. I agree with a previous post this whole thing will definately come together Tarantino style.

EliSnow

11-22-2006, 06:33 PM

BYOBKenobi wrote: I also figured out my problem with the show.  It's a time based series.  There's only from october 2nd through november 8th to save the world.  I wish they'd just show it every night for a  month and end the show like a mini series.  You know that this season is going to end with the bomb going off and something like "we saved the wrong cheerleader" or some shit and then the next season will be the whole first season over again with time traveling people trying to adjust things.A cliff hanger is fine when you are watching a show like The Shield or The Simpsons or some other show where there is no time limit on the activity and each show is a self contained entity.  This show is just a shit load of plot points leading about a month into the future and they're going to drag it out?  It's so frustrating.How long could this show go on?  How are they going to make this a lasting series if it's a hit?  Are they going to ruin it by going too far?  Here are my thoughts:First, November 8th is when the bomb goes off in NYC, and the goal so far is to stop it.  But, is stopping the bomb equivalent to saving the world? I think a lot of people have assumed that "save the cheerleader, save the world" refers to stopping the bomb in NYC.  But isn't stopping the bomb the same as saving NYC?  Even if the bomb goes off in NYC, do does that doom the world?  Maybe stopping the bomb isn't saving the world, and maybe stopping the bomb isn't the goal of the first season or the series.  Maybe it's the first step, and there is a bigger thing they need to stop by the end of the first season.  Also, maybe saving the world will be something bigger that will be the ultimate goal of the series. Second, I don't think they saved the wrong cheerleader.  Every promo, every drawing that shows the cheerleader to be saved shows Claire. Three, don't get frustrated by the show for things that they could do but haven't yet done.  Yes, they could fail to stop the bomb this season, and go back in time next season to stop it.  I don't think it's likely, but either way, we don't know until it happens. 

This message was edited by EliSnow on 11-22-06 @ 10:35 PM

BYOBKenobi

11-22-2006, 11:05 PM

Every promo showed claire's dad as "the face of evil" until the coming attractions this week when they showed sylar.It is interesting to think that the bomb ISN'T saving the world.  every one of isaac's paintings has come true, why not that one?  Maybe that's just the beginning and it can't be stopped but future "paintings" can.

blakjeezis

11-22-2006, 11:35 PM

Does anyone else not want Isaac to be able to tell the future without heroin? I was so pissed when they said they were gonna show him how o do it without the drug. That's where the meat of the fucking character is. Imagine that, every day he has to decide if he should get high and slowly kill himself so they can save the world, or stay clean. And there's conflict within the group; how can they ask him to keep doing this, and, good of the many, and so on. Without that he's a weatherman.

EliSnow

11-23-2006, 05:54 AM

BYOBKenobi wrote: Every promo showed claire's dad as "the face of evil" until the cit oming attractions this week when they showed sylar. True, but there can be more than one face of evil.  Both have done evil actions.  However, only one cheerleader has shown a power.|It is interesting to think that the bomb ISN'T saving the world.  It may be, and it may not  be.  We just don't know right now.  And even if it is saving the world, the whole series doesn't have to be about just stopping the bomb.  They could stop the bomb and save the world this season and need to save the world, again and again during the series.  On Buffy the Vampire Slayer, she saved the world like 5 times during the span of the series.every one of isaac's paintings has come true, why not that one?  Maybe that's just the beginning and it can't be stopped but future "paintings" can.Has anyone with knowledge of what may happen tried to stop the events happening in the other paintings?  Maybe that's why they came true, and why the bomb can be stopped.

BYOBKenobi

11-23-2006, 07:18 AM

I won't accept promos as the definition of truth.  I still won't be 100% sure claire is THE cheerleader until things work out.  No matter what, you still have an aspect of what you see is not what you get

cougarjake13

11-23-2006, 07:21 AM

lleeder wrote: Do you think Ando goes back to Japan after waiting for Hiro to come back from his time trip? He was in Japan when the world exploded. I agree with a previous post this whole thing will definately come together Tarantino style. he only looked that he was back in japan b/c it was before him and hiro went on their missionso at that time in the future hiro just teleported to the future and hadnt come back to get ando and tell him about his powersno that he has he wouldnt still be there b/c if you remember he was sitting at his desk and said hiro been gone for 5 weeks so ando keep on going with his normal life, now he in the usa with hiro instead of sitting at his desk, i doubt either of them still have that job having not called out or showed up in weeks

EliSnow

11-23-2006, 10:23 AM

BYOBKenobi wrote: I won't accept promos as the definition of truth.  I still won't be 100% sure claire is THE cheerleader until things work out.  No matter what, you still have an aspect of what you see is not what you get Maybe, but that doesn't mean that everything you see is not what you get.

cougarjake13

11-23-2006, 10:25 AM

BYOBKenobi wrote: Every promo showed claire's dad as "the face of evil" until the coming attractions this week when they showed sylar.It is interesting to think that the bomb ISN'T saving the world.  every one of isaac's paintings has come true, why not that one?  Maybe that's just the beginning and it can't be stopped but future "paintings" can.i dont really remember but did they ever say it was a bomb or are we all just assuming that it must be a bomb, we see what looks like to be an explosion but other than that we have very little info on what it wasas for which one is the right cheerleader i think it is was claire b/c with all the powers he has accumulated already having the power of healing and not dying would make him almost indestructiblei just wish the fight if you can call it that between sylar and peter was a bit more, i mean with sylar there they both had the same powers it could have been a great battle but all it was them grabbing each other and then falling off the roof

lleeder

11-23-2006, 10:32 AM

blakjeezis wrote: Does anyone else not want Isaac to be able to tell the future without heroin? I was so pissed when they said they were gonna show him how o do it without the drug. That's where the meat of the fucking character is. Imagine that, every day he has to decide if he should get high and slowly kill himself so they can save the world, or stay clean. And there's conflict within the group; how can they ask him to keep doing this, and, good of the many, and so on. Without that he's a weatherman. The way the world is now I bet they can't have a character that needs drugs for his power to work. Christian groups would be protesting , now the youth will be destroyed. Or some shit like that.

cougarjake13

11-23-2006, 10:38 AM

lleeder wrote: blakjeezis wrote: Does anyone else not want Isaac to be able to tell the future without heroin? I was so pissed when they said they were gonna show him how o do it without the drug. That's where the meat of the fucking character is. Imagine that, every day he has to decide if he should get high and slowly kill himself so they can save the world, or stay clean. And there's conflict within the group; how can they ask him to keep doing this, and, good of the many, and so on. Without that he's a weatherman. The way the world is now I bet they can't have a character that needs drugs for his power to work. Christian groups would be protesting , now the youth will be destroyed. Or some shit like that. maybe they'll show him the new way to do it without the drugs but the new way causes deterioration of some kind to his mind or body similar to using drugs

drusilla

11-24-2006, 09:55 AM

BYOBKenobi wrote:Someone said on ron and fez that british shows have fewer episodes and a finite number of episodes. That sounds very appealing to me. I'd rather have a show that has a finite run that is wrapped up nicely in a year or two than to have the writers constantly trying to make new threats. But of course, if done well, it could be awesome.  that is why six feet under had one of the greatest if not the greatest series finales ever.   while most shows just come up with some happy scenario to bring the show to an end, it still leaves you wondering what happens to these characters in the future.  the six feet under finale showed exactly what happens to each character up until their deaths.  that was amazing.   no questions, no wondering, they just flat out answered everything for you.  i thought it was brilliant.  i think more shows should sum everything up for you so you can feel like you got a complete package.

cougarjake13

11-24-2006, 11:21 AM

drusilla wrote: BYOBKenobi wrote: Someone said on ron and fez that british shows have fewer episodes and a finite number of episodes. That sounds very appealing to me. I'd rather have a show that has a finite run that is wrapped up nicely in a year or two than to have the writers constantly trying to make new threats. But of course, if done well, it could be awesome.  that is why six feet under had one of the greatest if not the greatest series finales ever.   while most shows just come up with some happy scenario to bring the show to an end, it still leaves you wondering what happens to these characters in the future.  the six feet under finale showed exactly what happens to each character up until their deaths.  that was amazing.   no questions, no wondering, they just flat out answered everything for you.  i thought it was brilliant.  i think more shows should sum everything up for you so you can feel like you got a complete package.  only problem is not many shows get to go out on their terms, especially network tvand a show on network tv isnt looking to end it at any specific time, as long as the ratings are good they'll keep making episodes and if a time comes that the ratings slide and the show is gonna get canned they usually dont have the time to end it properly and explain everything

lleeder

11-24-2006, 12:38 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: drusilla wrote: BYOBKenobi wrote: Someone said on ron and fez that british shows have fewer episodes and a finite number of episodes. That sounds very appealing to me. I'd rather have a show that has a finite run that is wrapped up nicely in a year or two than to have the writers constantly trying to make new threats. But of course, if done well, it could be awesome.  that is why six feet under had one of the greatest if not the greatest series finales ever.   while most shows just come up with some happy scenario to bring the show to an end, it still leaves you wondering what happens to these characters in the future.  the six feet under finale showed exactly what happens to each character up until their deaths.  that was amazing.   no questions, no wondering, they just flat out answered everything for you.  i thought it was brilliant.  i think more shows should sum everything up for you so you can feel like you got a complete package.  only problem is not many shows get to go out on their terms, especially network tvand a show on network tv isnt looking to end it at any specific time, as long as the ratings are good they'll keep making episodes and if a time comes that the ratings slide and the show is gonna get canned they usually dont have the time to end it properly and explain everythingI'm not worried this show is gonna drag on I just hope that the audience keeps building and it doesnt end up getting cancelled.

drusilla

11-25-2006, 06:27 AM

cougarjake13 wrote:only problem is not many shows get to go out on their terms, especially network tvand a show on network tv isnt looking to end it at any specific time, as long as the ratings are good they'll keep making episodes and if a time comes that the ratings slide and the show is gonna get canned they usually dont have the time to end it properly and explain everythingthat is what made it so brilliant.  they bowed out.

cougarjake13

11-25-2006, 02:35 PM

drusilla wrote: cougarjake13 wrote:only problem is not many shows get to go out on their terms, especially network tvand a show on network tv isnt looking to end it at any specific time, as long as the ratings are good they'll keep making episodes and if a time comes that the ratings slide and the show is gonna get canned they usually dont have the time to end it properly and explain everythingthat is what made it so brilliant.  they bowed out.who did ? 6 feet under ???

drusilla

11-25-2006, 11:24 PM

yes

BYOBKenobi

11-26-2006, 11:12 PM

ah, can't wait until 9!

LOAF

11-27-2006, 05:36 AM

New episode tonight!!! Can't wait!!!!!

Captain Rooster

11-27-2006, 01:14 PM

This show better friggin speed up tonight ... it's becoming as disapointing as the Giants this season.

lleeder

11-27-2006, 01:56 PM

Captain Rooster wrote: This show better friggin speed up tonight ... it's becoming as disapointing as the Giants this season. Thats not true Heros gets better at the end of the episode, the Giants just get worse as time goes on.

tbonesteak

11-27-2006, 02:48 PM

On the train in one of the first few episodes, did "future Hiro" actually say he was from the future?  Or do we just assume because he looks and sounds different? Isn't it just as possible that he visits Peter on the train after 6 months of trying to save the waitress, picking up English and learning how to use a sword along the way.  I might be way off base on this one, but even if he says he's from the future, he could have been referring to a more recent future, like the time at which he disappeared at the coffee house.Also did anyone notice that there was a pattern embedded in the number breaks on Mohinder's screen which looked just like the tattoo on Niki/Jessica's back?

BYOBKenobi

11-27-2006, 03:17 PM

tbonesteak wrote: On the train in one of the first few episodes, did "future Hiro" actually say he was from the future?  Or do we just assume because he looks and sounds different? Isn't it just as possible that he visits Peter on the train after 6 months of trying to save the waitress, picking up English and learning how to use a sword along the way.  I might be way off base on this one, but even if he says he's from the future, he could have been referring to a more recent future, like the time at which he disappeared at the coffee house.Also did anyone notice that there was a pattern embedded in the number breaks on Mohinder's screen which looked just like the tattoo on Niki/Jessica's back?Yes, he says he's from the future.  It is possible that he was back in time and it's the future to him.Yes, everyone saw the pattern.  By that point I was freaken in tune to every time that symbol comes up... like on Claire's geometry book. The show does get dissapointing because you WANT it to speed up, but they are happy at this pace.  I heard from someone who works with the sci fi network that they are planning on something like 26 episodes for THIS SEASON which means that we're on episode 10 of 26... which could all move this slow

cougarjake13

11-27-2006, 03:23 PM

is it 9 yet ???damn no not yet

lleeder

11-27-2006, 05:09 PM

I love the six months ago story line so far

PhishHead

11-27-2006, 05:11 PM

I think the first guy with the watches is sylarwhite text above  

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lleeder

11-27-2006, 05:20 PM

yeah it is. How awsome Hiro "greata scot"!!

lleeder

11-27-2006, 05:30 PM

Didn't see that shit coming

cougarjake13

11-27-2006, 05:38 PM

guess we know why sylar steals powers

PhishHead

11-27-2006, 05:41 PM

i cant believe this episode has given away so much information

lleeder

11-27-2006, 05:44 PM

This has been the best episode, every scene more input.

PhishHead

11-27-2006, 05:51 PM

that part was sad

cougarjake13

11-27-2006, 05:51 PM

PhishHead wrote: i cant believe this episode has given away so much information maybe they knew that we're or we were going to get  frustrated with all the lack of info but some slivers of info

lleeder

11-27-2006, 05:52 PM

Did Hiro violate some time travel thingy by kissing her?

PhishHead

11-27-2006, 05:55 PM

lleeder wrote:Did Hiro violate some time travel thingy by kissing her? apparently Time Travelers cant kiss girls

cougarjake13

11-27-2006, 05:56 PM

lleeder wrote: Did Hiro violate some time travel thingy by kissing her? no i dont think so b/c he touched her many times and nothing i think he was just thinking hard at that moment and poof back in japan

JustJon

11-27-2006, 05:59 PM

I'm guessing Sylar gains their powers by eating their brains

cougarjake13

11-27-2006, 06:02 PM

JustJon wrote: I'm guessing Sylar gains their powers by eating their brains yeh i really dont see any other way for them to explain it

lleeder

11-27-2006, 06:03 PM

I think Sylar is trying to make the perfect brain. He can take things apart and fix whats imperfect. He takes the part of everyones brain that makes them "special" and its it to his own.

Tenbatsuzen

11-27-2006, 06:07 PM

Was the "Great Scott!" a superman or Back to the Future tribute?

lleeder

11-27-2006, 06:10 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Was the "Great Scott!" a superman or Back to the Future tribute? I thought it was a Rowdy Roddy Piper Tribute.<img src="http://www.autographedtoyou.com/CelebPics/roddy_piper1.jpg" border="0" width="300" height="384" />

cougarjake13

11-27-2006, 06:20 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Was the "Great Scott!" a superman or Back to the Future tribute? dont know the superman reference so i thought back to the futurebut since its about superheroes and is kinda comic booky it may have been intended to be the supes reference

HeyGuy

11-27-2006, 06:43 PM

I love this show but it is confusing the shit out of me. Cant wait for it to all come together.

extracheese

11-27-2006, 07:04 PM

so are these "heroes" born with an abnormality (tumor in the brain) that give them powers, and kills them eventually via the tumor? And the old indian can find them somehow?Or are these normal people  - and after they were born they were given these powers by some method?i need answers and i need them fast.

Tenbatsuzen

11-27-2006, 07:07 PM

extracheese wrote:  so are these "heroes" born with an abnormality (tumor in the brain) that give them powers, and kills them eventually via the tumor? And the old indian can find them somehow?Or are these normal people - and after they were born they were given these powers by some method?i need answers and i need them fast. I think the analogy is that certain types of cancer are beatable, certain types of cancer are not.

Sheeplovr

11-27-2006, 07:09 PM

Was the "Great Scott!" a superman or Back to the Future tribute?Great cesears ghost is superman not great scot

blakjeezis

11-27-2006, 10:00 PM

Doc Brown, all the way.

PapaBear

11-27-2006, 10:18 PM

I'm pissed. Two weeks in a row, I had my vcr set to record Heroes, then CSI. I got them both, but for two weeks, Heroes ran until 10:01PM. DAMN those stupid odd times!Anyway... My recording ended this week, with the chick looking through the scope at her husband. Did I miss anything? Please be nice, and don't make stuff up.

Terry0714

11-28-2006, 01:40 AM

I missed 2 weeks in a row.... I know  I missed alort & i know I can watch it on the web. But it is not the same.

BYOBKenobi

11-28-2006, 06:04 AM

PapaBear wrote: I'm pissed. Two weeks in a row, I had my vcr set to record Heroes, then CSI. I got them both, but for two weeks, Heroes ran until 10:01PM. DAMN those stupid odd times!Anyway... My recording ended this week, with the chick looking through the scope at her husband. Did I miss anything? Please be nice, and don't make stuff up.You missed nothing but Mohinder's voice over saying nothing.EDIT: Nobody reads my explaination and they come on and say stupid shit like "the show is not for you" so I've edited this part.I am frustrated with the pacing.  This show was great but instead of ending with Sylar, they had to show us a bunch of things that they are not going to explain for a long time and remind us that they aren't going to give us any new information.  I didn't like how this one ended because of the voice over.  READ MY OTHER POSTS!

This message was edited by BYOBKenobi on 11-28-06 @ 12:54 PM

PhishHead

11-28-2006, 06:35 AM

BYOBKenobi wrote: PapaBear wrote: I'm pissed. Two weeks in a row, I had my vcr set to record Heroes, then CSI. I got them both, but for two weeks, Heroes ran until 10:01PM. DAMN those stupid odd times!Anyway... My recording ended this week, with the chick looking through the scope at her husband. Did I miss anything? Please be nice, and don't make stuff up.You missed nothing but Mohinder's voice over saying nothing.Another week goes by and I'm that much closer to dropping this show. I'm tired of being given 50% of what I want to know about everything. Give me 100% about one thing every 9 or 10 shows. dude are you serious? They revealed so much yesterday. Also why would a show reveal everything to start out? Then there would only be 1 show maybe 2. Its like reading a book you need character development and plot lines you cant just reveal everything at once that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard anyone say. Have you ever read a book? No book gives away the entire story in the first 10 chapters. That is how a show survives by running out the plot lines and development, Lost is the best example of this. If they revealed everything at once no one would be watching season 2 or 3, or the rest of 1 for that matter. The Wire is another great example.EDIT:Even giving away 100% of one thing every 9 or 10 shows makes no sense, because of the multiple star characters and arches needed in the show.  You cant focus on just one character and reveal their entire thing 100% of the time, you need to stretch it out and focus on everyone, not just one person.  

This message was edited by PhishHead on 11-28-06 @ 10:39 AM

LOAF

11-28-2006, 06:59 AM

Wow GREAT episode last night!!  Alot of things started to come together and we now no longer have to speculate as to what sylars power really is. It was great how they kinda gave you some more background on some of the other characters.

This message was edited by THE_LOAF on 11-28-06 @ 12:24 PM

BYOBKenobi

11-28-2006, 08:16 AM

I'm just in a bad mood.  Had a rough day yesterday and decided to take it out on heroes... guess it's not the worst target.I do think the show was much better in terms of "actual action/information" vs "filler time" aka Sylar's past vs Claire and her friend talking at her locker for 10 minutes.  Having most of the episode focus on one hero or the other was nice.  Seeing short pieces about the Petrelli bros and nikki/jessica with the focus seeming to stay on Sylar and Hiro was nice.First off, it's not stupid at all to say you want to know you got the full story on what you just saw.  I'm not saying ot give me Sylar's life story up until his death in episode 10, but what I AM saying is that when Hiro went back and learned that Charlie was going to die from a medical condition any day and then comes back and she's still dead it would be nice to know if she was killed by Sylar or if she died of natural causes.  Either way she'd still have a little tribute on the bulletin board.  I think we could have been told that without ruining anything.  I guess they wanted Hiro depressed for a while longer before someone said "shame about that thing in her brain and all" and then he realizes he did make a difference.I guess freezing time is much easier than traveling in time.  He was able to freeze time at will and do things relatively easily, but he can't controll WHEN he travels to.So, we learned that Sylar can "hear problems" in watches.  He also used a standard housing and antique german parts (aka took a normal skull and put in brains that didn't belong) to build a watch that took him 7 years.  Later in the episode we learn that he can "hear" things "wrong" with the heroes' heads and can steal their powers using their brains... somehow.  Seeing as we always see him with a hat on I thought he might be messing with his own brain.... but then when he's with Chandra he doesn't have a hat on and is moving the glass around.  I can't wait to SEE how he uses dead people's brains to steal their powers.  Seems like Charlie was killed from a distance and he didn't stick around to steal her brain.  Maybe he just threw it out the back door and went out and got it?All I know is Sylar's power better have something to do with how he's stealing other powers.  If he's just a regular joe with a skill for fixing watches that learns what piece of the brain gives you these special abilities then I'll feel cheated.  I don't think it's likely, but who knows?Can't he phase like DL?  He can at least move around in a very differnt and more "shadowed" way than normal people.  DL is alive and so far we haven't seen any dupe powers.  It also seems that Claire's father really isn't a bad guy.  He only brought in Eden to have Claire's name taken off Chandra's list so she wouldn't be roped in with all the "freaks" or something.  I like the way he handles himself more and more.  He's setting himself up for a mighty heel turn.Seeing Parkman interact with Eden was nice.  At least we know they aren't SO far away from each other.Did anyone else notice that it looked like Claire was in NYC in the preview?  I am always wrong, but it looks like the bomb will go off again next week and all the heroes will be there.Ted... not present in this episode.  Where is the human torch?  I want more Ted and Parkman and I want it NOW!  Nikki/Jessica's father?  Interesting that he abused Jessica who "took it to save Nikki." I wonder if Nikki has any powers at all or if she's just the carrier for Jessica would would have been super powered all along if she had survived.  I didn't like how him getting mad that Miccah took apart the comput

Aggie

11-28-2006, 08:18 AM

BYOBKenobi wrote:PapaBear wrote: I'm pissed. Two weeks in a row, I had my vcr set to record Heroes, then CSI. I got them both, but for two weeks, Heroes ran until 10:01PM. DAMN those stupid odd times!Anyway... My recording ended this week, with the chick looking through the scope at her husband. Did I miss anything? Please be nice, and don't make stuff up.You missed nothing but Mohinder's voice over saying nothing.Another week goes by and I'm that much closer to dropping this show. I'm tired of being given 50% of what I want to know about everything. Give me 100% about one thing every 9 or 10 shows.dude are you serious? They revealed so much yesterday. Also why would a show reveal everything to start out? Then there would only be 1 show maybe 2. Its like reading a book you need character development and plot lines you cant just reveal everything at once that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard anyone say. Have you ever read a book? No book gives away the entire story in the first 10 chapters. That is how a show survives by running out the plot lines and development, Lost is the best example of this. If they revealed everything at once no one would be watching season 2 or 3, or the rest of 1 for that matter. The Wire is another great example.EDIT:Even giving away 100% of one thing every 9 or 10 shows makes no sense, because of the multiple star characters and arches needed in the show.  You cant focus on just one character and reveal their entire thing 100% of the time, you need to stretch it out and focus on everyone, not just one person.  This message was edited by PhishHead on 11-28-06 @ 10:39 AM __________________________________________________ _________________________My quote feature isn't working. But I agree with you PhishHead. And I'm not picking on you Kenobi, I know you're anxious to find out what happens, but I think that attitude is what's wrong with our generation. Everyone wants instant gratification. What's wrong with waiting, enjoying the journey, as opposed to looking forward to the end and missing everything along the way? Books, shows, even life is a series of small events that fit into a big picture. ENJOY THE SHOW or quit watching!!!That being said, I loved how bad ass Bennett's assistant was when they found her and just the glimpse of the past. I'm most confused still about the Bennett's. Did Claire NEVER have a cut or injury growing up that healed or did it just happen for the first time when she cut her hand? And have we ever found out what exactly the dad does for a living and who the Haitian guy is? He freaks me out. Can't wait to see them interrogate Sylar. Hiro seems so defeated that he 'failed' and I think 'Great Scot' was Back to the Future, that's the first thing I thought.

LOAF

11-28-2006, 08:28 AM

In case anyone is interested, The Scifi channel will be airing a Heroes marathon starting at 6:00 eastern time on wednesday the 29th. I believe it will start from the first episode and go til the most recent. Great may to catch up.

BYOBKenobi

11-28-2006, 08:34 AM

"that's what's wrong with our generation" - rewind to 1990, 1980, 1970, 1960, 1950, 1940, 1930, and so on and people would be saying the same thing.  I don't want everything laid out, but I'd like to feel like each show has a story arc.  The Sylar part of this show was the best example.  We learned so much and it felt like a full episode inside an episode.  I'd like to see HOW  he steals powers, but I'll concede that seeing as we saw his beginnings and his face at the homecoming game.I liked the way Eden was handled.  The Haitian guy is still a mystery.  I'd like to learn a little about him, but I think he's a more powerful character silent and mysterious.This is what I want out of the show.  Pick one thing.  DL being shot, Claire telling her dad, Miccah's powers, Sylar's ability, Peter in jail, etc.  Then take that one thing and run with it.  Start before the activity, build up to it, have it happen, and let us in on one tiny little aspect of the plot but let us understand what has happened or give us something new, but make it some tiny complete fact every show.  Have all the other stuff flying around it, but take one thing and let us know it.  I don't even care if it's very very minor, but I want to have something every show.  Not a fact said to us, not something fleeting that can be explained in a 3 second scene, but something that takes a full show... like Sylar's story.  That was perfect.  Hopefully the show is going that direction.Do you get where I'm coming from?  I read many books.  I'm very patient with a good story.  I love the show, but I am starting to feel like I'm watching a soap opra when it comes to everything but Sylar's story.  That was the way I wanted things handled. EDIT:  I don't remember having a traumatic injury as a kid.  I did cut my foot open once, but I don't even remember how long it took to heal.  It's possible she had been healing fast her whole life, or had control of it and didn't know how until later so it didn't happen as fast.  It's like how Parkman can hear random thoughts but isn't able to focus his abilities (and in the bedroom scene, didn't even realize it was a thought).  She's a girl living a very protected life who doesn't play sports and JUST got on the cheerleading squad as a senior(?) there's a great possibility that she has never had an injury bad enough to realize it healed waaaay too fast.  Plus, if she's always healed that fast then she would have nothing to compare it to and it would be normal.

This message was edited by BYOBKenobi on 11-28-06 @ 12:37 PM

PhishHead

11-28-2006, 08:45 AM

BYOBKenobi wrote: "that's what's wrong with our generation" - rewind to 1990, 1980, 1970, 1960, 1950, 1940, 1930, and so on and people would be saying the same thing. I don't want everything laid out, but I'd like to feel like each show has a story arc. The Sylar part of this show was the best example. We learned so much and it felt like a full episode inside an episode. I'd like to see HOW he steals powers, but I'll concede that seeing as we saw his beginnings and his face at the homecoming game.I liked the way Eden was handled. The Haitian guy is still a mystery. I'd like to learn a little about him, but I think he's a more powerful character silent and mysterious.This is what I want out of the show. Pick one thing. DL being shot, Claire telling her dad, Miccah's powers, Sylar's ability, Peter in jail, etc. Then take that one thing and run with it. Start before the activity, build up to it, have it happen, and let us in on one tiny little aspect of the plot but let us understand what has happened or give us something new, but make it some tiny complete fact every show. Have all the other stuff flying around it, but take one thing and let us know it. I don't even care if it's very very minor, but I want to have something every show. Not a fact said to us, not something fleeting that can be explained in a 3 second scene, but something that takes a full show... like Sylar's story. That was perfect. Hopefully the show is going that direction.Do you get where I'm coming from? I read many books. I'm very patient with a good story. I love the show, but I am starting to feel like I'm watching a soap opra when it comes to everything but Sylar's story. That was the way I wanted things handled. EDIT: I don't remember having a traumatic injury as a kid. I did cut my foot open once, but I don't even remember how long it took to heal. It's possible she had been healing fast her whole life, or had control of it and didn't know how until later so it didn't happen as fast. It's like how Parkman can hear random thoughts but isn't able to focus his abilities (and in the bedroom scene, didn't even realize it was a thought). She's a girl living a very protected life who doesn't play sports and JUST got on the cheerleading squad as a senior(?) there's a great possibility that she has never had an injury bad enough to realize it healed waaaay too fast. Plus, if she's always healed that fast then she would have nothing to compare it to and it would be normal. This message was edited by BYOBKenobi on 11-28-06 @ 12:37 PM you still want too much information at once. Shows and Books do not work like that.  And in part it is a soap opera, every Drama shown on nighttime tv is considered to be an Evening Soap Opera.  They wish they had the ratings and the staying power of a soap opera.  In my opinion every episode has given away enough information for me to keep watching.  You either learn about someone else with a power or learn something little about a character.  no offense but you seem very impatient and one of those people who need everything at once. Try watching the Wire or Lost you would go absolutely crazy, you learn almost nothing each episode.

blakjeezis

11-28-2006, 08:51 AM

Another week goes by and I'm that much closer to dropping this show.  I'm tired of being given 50% of what I want to know about everything.  Give me 100% about one thing every 9 or 10 shows.Without trying to sound dicky, maybe this show isn't for you. It's obviously set up like a comic book, little 2, 3 or 4 episode mini-archs that advance, albeit slowly at times, the bigger overall series arch. Personally, I can't read comic books. I've tried. It's got nothing to do with episodic nature, I just don't like the way they're laid out, but that's my thing. Maybe you should wait until the season full DVDs come out so you can watch the shows all at once. You might enjoy that better. I dunno.Back to the show, though. What a great, great episode. Sylar's identity revealed, and the shit with Hiro was perfect. He made a big realization about his powers and responsibilities and everything. You really saw the start of that world weary warrior we saw in the subway with Peter. I get chills when I think about that scene, "You told me many times how lost you felt. Before it all started. This ... is what you've been waiting for."  Wow, there is soooo much packed into that line and that whole exchange: A lifetime of friendship, battles, victories won, comrades lost. That is why future Hiro is the shit.

BYOBKenobi

11-28-2006, 08:56 AM

blakjeezis wrote: Another week goes by and I'm that much closer to dropping this show.  I'm tired of being given 50% of what I want to know about everything.  Give me 100% about one thing every 9 or 10 shows. Without trying to sound dicky, maybe this show isn't for you. please read my other posts.

BYOBKenobi

11-28-2006, 09:00 AM

PhishHead wrote:  you still want too much information at once. Shows and Books do not work like that.  And in part it is a soap opera, every Drama shown on nighttime tv is considered to be an Evening Soap Opera.  They wish they had the ratings and the staying power of a soap opera.  In my opinion every episode has given away enough information for me to keep watching.  You either learn about someone else with a power or learn something little about a character.  no offense but you seem very impatient and one of those people who need everything at once. Try watching the Wire or Lost you would go absolutely crazy, you learn almost nothing each episode. Who decides what's too much?  I'd be fine with the whole show being focused on LESS INFORMATION THAT IT IS NOW but I'd like to feel like I'd got a story.  The Sylar thing is a perfect example.  I loved how that was handled.  They wanted to show us how he became who he is.  They did.  Great.I think Eden was handled perfectly.I think Hiro was done very well.I just think they should have left the final VO scene out because it reminded me of how LITTLE more I wanted to know but wasn't going to for a long time.OK, the show's not for me?  Then why do I watch?  Maybe it's specifically for me.  I haven't watched a TV show in 3 years but I haven't missed an episode of heroes.  I used to read comic books.  I read a ton of novels.  I enjoy that kind of thing.  I just want to see stories handled like SYLAR'S STORY WAS HANDLED.

blakjeezis

11-28-2006, 09:07 AM

I've read the other posts, and I stand by my original statement. Forget my half-ass comic book expanation thing. That's meaningless, but if the pacing of the show isn't to your liking, then maybe it isn't the show for you. What do you want me to tell you? How much less interesting would last night's episode have been if we hadn't had those previous shadowy half glimpses and serial killer mystery of Sylar? What if there had been no conjecture about his identity, "It's Peter." "It's Nathan." C'mon, bro. If it was just, "Oh yeah here's another mutant. His name is Sylar, and he's evil. He's telekinetic and eats people's brains or what have you." Nowhere near as fun.

BYOBKenobi

11-28-2006, 09:11 AM

I said I liked how sylar was handled and I think the show's at a point where we can have actual story arcs dealing with aspects of the show in the same manner.slow down with the "it's not for you, bro"

IrishAlkey

11-28-2006, 09:16 AM

I'm with Jon.He eats brains.Actually, his character is interesting just for the fact that he thinks he is the one who is meant to have all these unique powers.  You see how he puts together all the intricate pieces of a clock/watch, which are used to tell time.  Once you put all those pieces together, you have the one instrument everyone can use to tell time, the one thing every person has in common; time passing.  So, he's gonna eat brains and become the coolest watch ever!

PhishHead

11-28-2006, 09:19 AM

BYOBKenobi wrote: PhishHead wrote: you still want too much information at once. Shows and Books do not work like that. And in part it is a soap opera, every Drama shown on nighttime tv is considered to be an Evening Soap Opera. They wish they had the ratings and the staying power of a soap opera. In my opinion every episode has given away enough information for me to keep watching. You either learn about someone else with a power or learn something little about a character. no offense but you seem very impatient and one of those people who need everything at once. Try watching the Wire or Lost you would go absolutely crazy, you learn almost nothing each episode. Who decides what's too much? I'd be fine with the whole show being focused on LESS INFORMATION THAT IT IS NOW but I'd like to feel like I'd got a story. The Sylar thing is a perfect example. I loved how that was handled. They wanted to show us how he became who he is. They did. Great.I think Eden was handled perfectly.I think Hiro was done very well.I just think they should have left the final VO scene out because it reminded me of how LITTLE more I wanted to know but wasn't going to for a long time.OK, the show's not for me? Then why do I watch? Maybe it's specifically for me. I haven't watched a TV show in 3 years but I haven't missed an episode of heroes. I used to read comic books. I read a ton of novels. I enjoy that kind of thing. I just want to see stories handled like SYLAR'S STORY WAS HANDLED.so basically the way Im gathering what you are typing and I could be wrong is, you want One heroes shown per episode giving their entire background at once?  To me i love the way they have done it.  Completely reminds me of a book or a comic book for that matter.  Harry Potter is a great example, there is stuff in the 1st Book that still hasnt been explained and prolly wont be till the 7th book.

blakjeezis

11-28-2006, 09:26 AM

Initially you did say you were getting ready to drop it. Which is fine, that was either your opinion at the time or hyperbole to express your frustration. Just please don't get your back up because I, and whoever else, are taking you at your word. And I think you're right. In fact, I think last night was sort of a turning point episode. The introductions are pretty much done with. We've got great backstory on everyone we really need to know. I mean, we didn't find out much about Isaac, but I think his character works without all that much. We know he's a junkie and trying to kick it. That's about all we need, and that was given in the first one or two eps. What's left? The crime D.L. committed, more on HRG's agency and/or motives (I'm still flip-flopping between good and evil), I'd really like to see Peter get a handle on his power aaaand that's all I can think of right now. The point is there's not a great deal of setup left to handle. I think future episodes are going to be a little more streamlined and focused. The group will start to coalesce. I'll tell you though, HRG taking Sylar really sort of threw a monkey in with the disco fries. I was picturing it sort of going in the direction of them chasing him, and throw Adam Bomb into the mix somewhere along the lines. I guess we'll see.

This message was edited by blakjeezis on 11-28-06 @ 1:46 PM

PhishHead

11-28-2006, 09:35 AM

blakjeezis wrote: The group will start to coalesece. I'll tell you though. HRG taking Sylar really sort of threw a monkey in with the disco fries. Im Starvin now.  Earl, we got any disco fries back there?

blakjeezis

11-28-2006, 09:58 AM

Earl, we got any disco fries back there? That doesn't solve my problem of the monkey being in with the fries. I keed, I keed, plus I'm blak, so it's okay.  

This message was edited by blakjeezis on 11-28-06 @ 1:59 PM

PhishHead

11-28-2006, 09:59 AM

blakjeezis wrote:  Earl, we got any disco fries back there? That doesn't solve my problem of the monkey being in with the fries.  ill eat monkey....you never looked at a monkey and thought "oh man that would be delicious"

blakjeezis

11-28-2006, 10:00 AM

Baby monkey, of course.

PhishHead

11-28-2006, 10:07 AM

blakjeezis wrote: Baby monkey, of course.  of course im not some heathen

blakjeezis

11-28-2006, 10:10 AM

Which brings me to my next point, how 'bout that Micah, huh?

PhishHead

11-28-2006, 10:13 AM

blakjeezis wrote: Which brings me to my next point, how 'bout that Micah, huh? HAHHA good segue sir.Micah is cool, but his power is boring so far, he is just like Cable and i always thought he sucked as well. 

This message was edited by PhishHead on 11-28-06 @ 2:16 PM

BYOBKenobi

11-28-2006, 10:23 AM

Miccah is interesting to me due to the fact that sylar also started out with a mechanical ability and then used that in another way.  It's almost looking like he'll be the answer to Sylar.There really hasn't been a lot of tech in this series.  It'll be interesting to see how he uses his power.  If this was a gadgety show with a lot of high tech tools and weaponry he'd fit right in, but as it stands, any tech he brings to the show will be new.

spadanko

11-28-2006, 10:25 AM

blakjeezis wrote: Baby monkey, of course. I'm starvin' <img src="http://www.maxent.org/ch/images/05_eat.jpg" border="0" width="286" height="163" />

blakjeezis

11-28-2006, 10:37 AM

The tech angle is interesting. I also like the setup of Micah opposite Sylar. It's really, really bugging me about HRG taking Sylar. What can happen? A) Sylar escapes, killing HRG and stealing the power of Eden, and Mr. Haiti along the way. B) HRG is evil and puts Sylar to work for him, much like Eden. C) HRG is good and puts Sylar to work for him, much like Eden. D) HRG kills Sylar for being a bastard. And the whole eating the brain bit bugs me as well. I would be disappointed if that was indeed what he did. It's sort of a break from reality. Now before everyone gets nuts and asks if Nathan flying is also a break from reality, I know it is, but that's a suspension I'm willing to make. I know that I'm being nit-picky here, and this certainly doesn't even approach being a dealbreaker for me, but there are sort of pseudo-scientific explanations that can be made for most of the Heroes' powers. Accelerated healing, flying, telepathy, telekinesis, superhuman strength, shit like that can all be explained in terms of biology, neurology and physiology, but ingesting the brain and gaining their power just doesn't work for me. I mean, I've eaten a ton of steak but I can't give milk. 

This message was edited by blakjeezis on 11-28-06 @ 2:38 PM

BeerBandit

11-28-2006, 10:38 AM

BYOBKenobi wrote: but what I AM saying is that when Hiro went back and learned that Charlie was going to die from a medical condition any day and then comes back and she's still dead it would be nice to know if she was killed by Sylar or if she died of natural causes. Either way she'd still have a little tribute on the bulletin board.  Now, I'm going to give the writers a lot of credit here in terms of time travel/continuity issues, but I would think that if Hiro changed the way that Charlie died we would've noticed a difference with the Ando/present time scene, though a subtle one.  I don't think it would've been as important for Hiro to go back in time (and subsequently Ando to be waiting for him) if she wasn't murdered.  Her death seemed wrong to Hiro and he wanted to change it, and when he gets back to Ando their interactions still seem as though her death was wrong, which wouldn't be the case for Ando if she died of an aneurysm.  Again, I'm assuming that the writers are going to the ultimate lengths to tie up time travel issues.

Furtherman

11-28-2006, 10:44 AM

If watching a TV show frustrates you so much that you come of with too many questions, stop watching. I see this show going the way of Lost with people who get too involved in their shows.  Seriously, instead of watching an episode, go out and do something.  You'll see it's not that big of a deal.

BYOBKenobi

11-28-2006, 10:46 AM

Furtherman wrote: If watching a TV show frustrates you so much that you come of with too many questions, stop watching. I see this show going the way of Lost with people who get too involved in their shows.  Seriously, instead of watching an episode, go out and do something.  You'll see it's not that big of a deal.you can't enjoy talking about something at length?

BYOBKenobi

11-28-2006, 10:49 AM

blakjeezis wrote: The tech angle is interesting. I also like the setup of Micah opposite Sylar. It's really, really bugging me about HRG taking Sylar. What can happen? A) Sylar escapes, killing HRG and stealing the power of Eden, and Mr. Haiti along the way. B) HRG is evil and puts Sylar to work for him, much like Eden. C) HRG is good and puts Sylar to work for him, much like Eden. D) HRG kills Sylar for being a bastard. And the whole eating the brain bit bugs me as well. I would be disappointed if that was indeed what he did. It's sort of a break from reality. Now before everyone gets nuts and asks if Nathan flying is also a break from reality, I know it is, but that's a suspension I'm willing to make. I know that I'm being nit-picky here, and this certainly doesn't even approach being a dealbreaker for me, but there are sort of pseudo-scientific explanations that can be made for most of the Heroes' powers. Accelerated healing, flying, telepathy, telekinesis, superhuman strength, shit like that can all be explained in terms of biology, neurology and physiology, but ingesting the brain and gaining their power just doesn't work for me. I mean, I've eaten a ton of steak but I can't give milk. This message was edited by blakjeezis on 11-28-06 @ 2:38 PM Exactly.  I'd like to see how he does it, but with his background you'd think he'd take a part of the brain and encorporate it in his own.  Digesting it seems to be a cheap answer especially after they did the "foreshadowing" (sp?) of him putting the fancy old german parts into a generic shell and making a special watch.  I just don't like that there is a physical "piece" that makes people special.  Seems like it should be something all over their bodies.

IrishAlkey

11-28-2006, 10:51 AM

I wanna' eat blakjeezis' brain so I can gain the power of bodily hair growth.

Furtherman

11-28-2006, 10:52 AM

BYOBKenobi wrote: Furtherman wrote: If watching a TV show frustrates you so much that you come of with too many questions, stop watching. I see this show going the way of Lost with people who get too involved in their shows.  Seriously, instead of watching an episode, go out and do something.  You'll see it's not that big of a deal.you can't enjoy talking about something at length?C'mon dude, your questions are at lightyear length.  Have some patience.

BYOBKenobi

11-28-2006, 10:53 AM

Furtherman wrote: C'mon dude, your questions are at lightyear length.  Have some patience.I must have missed the memo titled "Maximum length of questions allowed"I am obsessed and I talk too much.  I'm working on it, but it doesnt' seem to be helping

BeerBandit

11-28-2006, 10:54 AM

And the whole eating the brain bit bugs me as well. I would be disappointed if that was indeed what he did.  I know the whole show is a suspension of reality, but it's also about presenting things that could be somewhat believable.  I don't think they're going with the "eating brains of people with a power will give you that power"  That's ludicrous.  I think it's more believable that he has the ability to see/hear/feel what's wrong with something and fix/remove/transplant it.  And I'm sure the first one was quite difficult, messy, and took a lot of time, before he acquired the TK power (conveniently, his first) to simplify things.  A couple quick flicks of his wrists, open skull, remove part, insert in self.  That would explain that hat, used to hide his own "flip-top."  Until he kills the Cheerleader and gains her regen power.

blakjeezis

11-28-2006, 11:01 AM

A good theory, bandit. I'll go with that one. I wanna' eat blakjeezis' brain so I can gain the power of bodily hair growth.And several IQ points.

BYOBKenobi

11-28-2006, 11:02 AM

You know what would have been an interesting angle?  If he HAD to steal the cheerleader's powers to get full use of all the "parts" he's collected.  Basically, he figured out he "remove" the powers and insert them in himself but that he wouldn't survive the procedure without her powers... but that's really not the case right now unless he would do a much stronger procedure or something if he could regen.Don't forget that the only thing that stopped Claire from repairing was something stuck in her brain.I will have to rewatch, but I don't think he's got a hat on in the scene with chandra and the glass.I also don't remember a scar when eden takes off his hat.

This message was edited by BYOBKenobi on 11-28-06 @ 3:03 PM

BeerBandit

11-28-2006, 11:06 AM

BYOBKenobi wrote: I will have to rewatch, but I don't think he's got a hat on in the scene with chandra and the glass.I also don't remember a scar when eden takes off his hat.  Good call.  Slipped my mind.

nate1000

11-28-2006, 11:14 AM

nate1000 wrote:I think Sylar's power is that he absorbs the power of each of his victims. BTW- great episode last night. The show is getting stronger each week. See, I'm smaht, not like they say.

lleeder

11-28-2006, 01:39 PM

BeerBandit wrote: BYOBKenobi wrote: but what I AM saying is that when Hiro went back and learned that Charlie was going to die from a medical condition any day and then comes back and she's still dead it would be nice to know if she was killed by Sylar or if she died of natural causes. Either way she'd still have a little tribute on the bulletin board.  Now, I'm going to give the writers a lot of credit here in terms of time travel/continuity issues, but I would think that if Hiro changed the way that Charlie died we would've noticed a difference with the Ando/present time scene, though a subtle one.  I don't think it would've been as important for Hiro to go back in time (and subsequently Ando to be waiting for him) if she wasn't murdered.  Her death seemed wrong to Hiro and he wanted to change it, and when he gets back to Ando their interactions still seem as though her death was wrong, which wouldn't be the case for Ando if she died of an aneurysm.  Again, I'm assuming that the writers are going to the ultimate lengths to tie up time travel issues. The first time Hiro and Ando met Charlie she had already met Hiro. Hiro was the one that gave her the book that started her speaking Japanese. She also mentioned that she was goin to Japan before she died in that episode. Charlie knew who Hiro was before he knew her. She knew she was going to die and let it happen, she took one for the team in a sense.

drusilla

12-01-2006, 10:50 AM

BYOBKenobi wrote: All I know is Sylar's power better have something to do with how he's stealing other powers.  If he's just a regular joe with a skill for fixing watches that learns what piece of the brain gives you these special abilities then I'll feel cheated.  I don't think it's likely, but who knows? This message was edited by BYOBKenobi on 11-28-06 @ 12:22 PM i really don't think that he is a regular joe because if he was, i don't think he would have been on the dr. list.  but i really do what to know if he eats the brains or figured something else out.  i did think aobut how he always has a hat on & maybe he is using it to cover up an incision.

Tenbatsuzen

12-01-2006, 10:59 AM

drusilla wrote: BYOBKenobi wrote: All I know is Sylar's power better have something to do with how he's stealing other powers.  If he's just a regular joe with a skill for fixing watches that learns what piece of the brain gives you these special abilities then I'll feel cheated.  I don't think it's likely, but who knows? This message was edited by BYOBKenobi on 11-28-06 @ 12:22 PM i really don't think that he is a regular joe because if he was, i don't think he would have been on the dr. list.  but i really do what to know if he eats the brains or figured something else out.  i did think aobut how he always has a hat on & maybe he is using it to cover up an incision.  He wasn't wearing the hat after he killed his first victim, and he wasn't wearing the hat in previews.  I think it was just a utility to keep his identity obscured until they cast Sylar.

drusilla

12-01-2006, 11:07 AM

perhaps.    since i have a dvr i wind up watching the show at 1am on friday morning instead of watching it when its on so i'm like 4 days late for all the comments.

Sheeplovr

12-02-2006, 09:17 AM

hmmm i had this thought i dont know if any of you didhow does the program get nameslike okay they have the program that does some kinda math thing but how would you get names like i was just thinking that it makes no sense how they get the names of people like what the hell its making my head hurt thinking about ithow can you track down the people wiht special ablities only thing you can do is research looking for news or some kinda werid medica report i love the show but now this is eating me

BYOBKenobi

12-03-2006, 10:48 PM

Sheeplovr wrote: hmmm i had this thought i dont know if any of you didhow does the program get nameslike okay they have the program that does some kinda math thing but how would you get names like i was just thinking that it makes no sense how they get the names of people like what the hell its making my head hurt thinking about ithow can you track down the people wiht special ablities only thing you can do is research looking for news or some kinda werid medica report i love the show but now this is eating me  That bothers me too, but I think what they were trying to show was that he had figured out a way to mathmatically figure out who's children would be special and then found the names/pictures through research.  That who theory is blown out the window by claire's adopted dad being called in on it... unless he knew she was adopted and who got her.That whole list is a huge stretch.  It would mean that he has DNA information on everyone who's alive.  If not, then he'd be GUESSING who's who and only having an area of the world.   Kind of like that landmark birth recently.  They had no way of knowing which kid was the 3billionth kid or whatever... they just knew about when it would be born and guessed where would be the most likely.  That would be as close as he could get using anything that we know now... unless he's special in some way.  That is a possibility with his daughter being special.  The fact that people have special powers and most don't even know it leaves a lot of room for error. It will be fun to get a little insight into how he did it, but I doubt we'll get that.  Maybe his death is the way they will hide that there is no freaken way it's possible.  Like Mohinder will say something like "you know, there's nothing here that shows me how he did it so I have no idea how it was done, but here it is."

jax

12-04-2006, 07:19 AM

This was in today's paper about the actor who plays Hiro.   <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/04/arts/television/04oka.html?ref=television">http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/04/arts/television/04oka.html?ref=television</a>I can't believe I made a link. Hope it works.

King Imp

12-04-2006, 08:35 AM

So, who dies tonight according to the previews? I say it's that radioactive guy and when he goes it causes that big NY explosion and before we get to see what happens, "To Be Continued..." comes across the screen and we're left waiting until the show comes back on.

cougarjake13

12-04-2006, 04:00 PM

i hour to go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cougarjake13

12-04-2006, 04:05 PM

King Imp wrote: So, who dies tonight according to the previews? I say it's that radioactive guy and when he goes it causes that big NY explosion and before we get to see what happens, "To Be Continued..." comes across the screen and we're left waiting until the show comes back on.  interesting ideabut it seems to easy and makes too much sense that it cant be

PhishHead

12-04-2006, 04:05 PM

I say Peter becomes all powerful like many characters in the superhero universe the powerful ones have the same first name initial and last name initial...Peter Parkman comes to mind right away but i defintely know there is a few.  either that or i just sound dumb

cougarjake13

12-04-2006, 04:09 PM

PhishHead wrote: I say Peter becomes all powerful like many characters in the superhero universe the powerful ones have the same first name initial and last name initial...Peter Parkman comes to mind right away but i defintely know there is a few.  either that or i just sound dumbwell 2 popular ones come to mind dontbatman   bruce wayne            nosuperman   clark kent            no

PhishHead

12-04-2006, 04:12 PM

they are definrtely there just have to dig:Wally WestGuy GardnerCaptain Marvel (cant remember name but know it matches)matt murdockbruce bannersusan stormreed richardsscott summers okay not thinking of anymore my brain hurts  

This message was edited by PhishHead on 12-4-06 @ 8:13 PM

cougarjake13

12-04-2006, 04:13 PM

who are the first 2 on your list ???

PhishHead

12-04-2006, 04:14 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: who are the first 2 on your list ??? The Flash and Green Lantern respectively 

This message was edited by PhishHead on 12-4-06 @ 8:15 PM

cougarjake13

12-04-2006, 04:15 PM

PhishHead wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: who are the first 2 on your list ???  The Flash and Guy Gardner respectivelywho's guy gardner

PhishHead

12-04-2006, 04:16 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: PhishHead wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: who are the first 2 on your list ??? The Flash and Guy Gardner respectivelywho's guy gardner yea i fixed it the site is going slow, and took me awhile to edit

cougarjake13

12-04-2006, 04:20 PM

PhishHead wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: PhishHead wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: who are the first 2 on your list ??? The Flash and Guy Gardner respectivelywho's guy gardner yea i fixed it the site is going slow, and took me awhile to edit gotcha, its pretty cool that you noticed it, i never didbut it works for villans as well or at least one that i cant think of off the top of my headlex luthor

lleeder

12-04-2006, 05:00 PM

Here we go

lleeder

12-04-2006, 05:06 PM

Was Sylar really in his dream?

cougarjake13

12-04-2006, 05:15 PM

lleeder wrote: Was Sylar really in his dream? yeh i guess he has fucking freddy kruger powerspeter will be fine once they both talking to themselves

lleeder

12-04-2006, 05:18 PM

Will Peter read his brothers mind and realize that hes an evil scumbag?

lleeder

12-04-2006, 05:31 PM

Has Eden flipped or is it just a set up to bring Hiro in?

Captain Rooster

12-04-2006, 05:37 PM

MY NAME IS SYLER!!!!!!!!!!

Captain Rooster

12-04-2006, 05:49 PM

10 min left ... who's gonna die? I say the blonde chick.

Captain Rooster

12-04-2006, 05:58 PM

Hiro, line of the day: "I really need to find that sword."

DarkHippie

12-04-2006, 06:01 PM

when did peter get AIDS?

furie

12-04-2006, 06:03 PM

Captain Rooster wrote: Hiro, line of the day: "I really need to find that sword." 

I know. Hiro is now officially my favorite.

So, Who the fuck is going to die? peter didn't definitely die.

DarkHippie

12-04-2006, 06:04 PM

Captain Marvel (cant remember name but know it matches)Billy Bastion.  Freddy Freeman is CM jr and may be the next Captain, depending on how the trials of shazam series ends.

lleeder

12-04-2006, 06:04 PM

Great new season whisper: Is your name on the list?

Captain Rooster

12-04-2006, 06:04 PM

The Persuasion chick blew her brains out rather than have Syler get her power.

lleeder

12-04-2006, 06:05 PM

Eden dies

Captain Rooster

12-04-2006, 06:05 PM

lleeder wrote: Great new season whisper: Is your name on the list? so much better than, "Save the ...."

furie

12-04-2006, 06:05 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: PhishHead wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: who are the first 2 on your list ??? The Flash and Guy Gardner respectivelywho's guy gardner

One of the Green Lanterns. Catch up!

lleeder

12-04-2006, 06:06 PM

In tv guide there are alot of spoilers more heros to come

furie

12-04-2006, 06:08 PM

lleeder wrote: Eden dies

yes ofcourse what was i thinking. she blew her head off. I heard it was actually over contract disputes.

Captain Rooster

12-04-2006, 06:10 PM

furie wrote: lleeder wrote: Eden dies  yes ofcourse what was i thinking. she blew her head off. I heard it was actually over contract disputes. either that or explosive menstruation

lleeder

12-04-2006, 06:11 PM

How great the Hatian is starting a revolt

Tenbatsuzen

12-04-2006, 06:13 PM

I'm trying to figure out three things... 1) When did Peter get precog abilities?  He had them "Six Months Ago" when he saw the accident, so perhaps the pre-cog is mixed into the power-drain? 2) The Haitian turns, and Mr. Bennett kind of turns, but he's doing what a father would do in this situation.  I thought the Haitian was skilled enough to only take certain things out - but he apparently hollowed Zack out. Clare mouthed "I'm sorry" to Peter in the dream sequence, and Nathan looked INCREDIBLY evil.

Tenbatsuzen

12-04-2006, 06:16 PM

Peter Petrelli = Vegita?

lleeder

12-04-2006, 06:20 PM

Maybe Peter has like an overload if he absorbs too many powers all at once. He might have been absorbing the Hatians power and Parkmans at the same time and it fryed his brain.I want to know how Nikki/Jessica plays into the big picture.

lleeder

12-04-2006, 06:20 PM

Hiro best character

This message was edited by lleeder on 12-4-06 @ 10:22 PM

drusilla

12-04-2006, 07:10 PM

Captain Rooster wrote: lleeder wrote: Great new season whisper: Is your name on the list? so much better than, "Save the ...."i would have liked "what does sylar do with the brains" better.   that's still killing me.   & i while eden offing herself was nice to see so that sylar can't use her brain (or can he??) i would have liked them to off niki/jessica.  cause she's really fucking annoying & not at all interesting. i too was thinking that peter absorbs too many powers & maybe that is what makes him explode or whatever, but i still don't know.    i do like how they changed up the rocky commercial during the show to play up the fact that milo ventimiglia is in it.

spadanko

12-04-2006, 07:15 PM

what a great friggin episode

Tall_James

12-04-2006, 07:41 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Peter Petrelli = Vegita? No... TETSUO !!!

ToLEEdo

12-05-2006, 05:42 AM

So I am split on Peter blowing up......The radioactive guy that Matt had under arrestor the overwhelming amount of powers coming inalso, do we know that he is always part of  the dreams

blakjeezis

12-05-2006, 05:49 AM

The scene of Peter going thermo reminded me of a scene in the X-Men cartoon where Rogue touches Cyclops and the next thing you know she's blowing holes in, I think it was the Danger Room, but it could have happened in a battle outside the mansion. Either way, the point is just because Peter can absorb people's abilities doesn't mean he is able to control them. They still haven't saved the cheerleader. Claire is still in danger. Eden getting iced and Sylar escaping was a shock and incredibly well done. The Haitian turn I didn't see coming in a million years. And how fucking cool was it when Peter and Parkman were reading each other's minds and shit. Good stuff. Oh God, it's such a cool fucking show. I love the way the group is sort of coming together. I got emotional when Isaac called Hiro.

FMJeff

12-05-2006, 10:18 AM

I dont understand why Sylar didn't get out of the room earlier, and why Jack Bennet thought the room was at all effective against Sylar?

MadMatt

12-05-2006, 10:23 AM

ToLEEdo wrote: So I am split on Peter blowing up......The radioactive guy that Matt had under arrestor the overwhelming amount of powers coming inalso, do we know that he is always part of  the dreams Wow, good point!  He could be dreaming from the perspective of the Nuclear Man and not actually "as himself" in the dream.  That is an intersting twist...

PhishHead

12-05-2006, 10:25 AM

FMJeff wrote: I dont understand why Sylar didn't get out of the room earlier, and why Jack Bennet thought the room was at all effective against Sylar? my guess is that whenever Jack talked to him the Haitian was there to block his power.  But once he saw eden and maybe he didnt "feel" the haitian was around he realized he could break out.Definitely think it was based on the haitian being able to block his powers when Jack was questioning him.

Tenbatsuzen

12-05-2006, 10:25 AM

FMJeff wrote: I dont understand why Sylar didn't get out of the room earlier, and why Jack Bennet thought the room was at all effective against Sylar? This is twice in a row that Bennet has underestimated his adversaries.  He thought that maybe grounding his SUPER POWERED DAUGHTER was enough to keep her from going out to her possible death. He also thinks that Parkman, you know, BEING A COP AND ALL, won't put two and two together with him and the Haitian.

QueensideDave

12-05-2006, 10:40 AM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">PhishHead wrote: FMJeff wrote: I dont understand why Sylar didn't get out of the room earlier, and why Jack Bennet thought the room was at all effective against Sylar? my guess is that whenever Jack talked to him the Haitian was there to block his power. But once he saw eden and maybe he didnt "feel" the haitian was around he realized he could break out.Definitely think it was based on the haitian being able to block his powers when Jack was questioning him. <hr color="cococo" align="left">

I think it could also be possible that sylar was song angered that he became powerful enough to overcome whatever was deadening his powers. The haitian could have just been a backup when Mr. B. was there.

Also, does anyone else think that Mr. B. might have some sort of power as well? I mean what made him get into this in the first place.

MadMatt

12-05-2006, 11:14 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: FMJeff wrote: I dont understand why Sylar didn't get out of the room earlier, and why Jack Bennet thought the room was at all effective against Sylar? This is twice in a row that Bennet has underestimated his adversaries.  He thought that maybe grounding his SUPER POWERED DAUGHTER was enough to keep her from going out to her possible death.He also thinks that Parkman, you know, BEING A COP AND ALL, won't put two and two together with him and the Haitian.I think that could have been the Haitian intentionally leaving clues for Parkman.  Since it looks like he isn't entirely "loyal" (per his conversation with Claire), the Haitian probably removed most of the memories to cover his ass but left enough clues for Parkman to eventually put everything together.

JustJon

12-05-2006, 11:43 AM

Also, does anyone else think that Mr. B. might have some sort of power as well?Mr. B returns cell phones.

Tall_James

12-05-2006, 11:46 AM

Also, does anyone else think that Mr. B. might have some sort of power as well? Supernatural accuracy with a cowbell.

phixion

12-05-2006, 12:18 PM

okay for argument sake lets say this guy bennet is still trying to put together the avengers. bennett may just not want his daughter being involved, putting her life on the line. so he tells the haitian to make her forget about her powers in order to protect her. the haitian may just disagree with this aspect of his boss's policy. he just may htink the cheerleader is a powerful tool who cant be put out to pasture jjust because his boss loves her.   

blakjeezis

12-05-2006, 01:30 PM

I don't know, man. With little or no evidence to back it up, I still get the bad juju from Bennett. As I do from Nathan. I think they may be slowly setting them up as the villains. I mean, obviously Sylar is the immediate baddie, and 'the bomb' is the immediate threat. I'm thinking more long term. Think of it this way; so far, with little exception, everything that's happened has been very reality based, but these people do have superpowers and they're going to need a super-villain or two to fight against. How does one go about creating an evil super villain without resorting to cartoony or comic book cliches? Sylar's a classic psychopath case (violent mood swings, manipulation, delusions of grandeur) who just happens to be a powewrful mutant, but it can't just be a parade of unstable muties one after the other, that would get stupid and boring. The most obvious hurdle is that in real life evil people don't think they're evil. The villains have to believe that what they are doing is for the good. What better way to do that than having them believe they're protecting someone they love by battling against the heroes. We know Bennett is somehow tied up with collecting mutants for whatever reason, regardless of what it is he's doing, he doesn't want Claire involved. He's already gone to extreme lengths to keep her out of it, including turning his wife into a half a retard. It's not a difficult jump to make to say that he would be willing to kill to protect her, even if it means killing every other mutant on the planet. There ya go, super villain, super evil, and not beyond the bounds of the show's constructed reality. Nathan is a similar case. They are dropping hints left and right that he's not always on the up and up: the bit with the painting, and then in Peter's dream. I gotta go, a class is coming into the lab, I'll finish later.

Captain Rooster

12-05-2006, 01:56 PM

Blak ... wrote :  "I'm thinking more long term."  I think they are being set up as villains ... sort of an allegorical look at Big Brother and the Patriot Act, etc ... Sort of a Marvel Civil War thing with secret prisons. profiling, etc ...  Syler is BAD ASS, btw.

MadMatt

12-05-2006, 02:09 PM

Captain Rooster wrote: Blak ... wrote :  "I'm thinking more long term."I think they are being set up as villains ... sort of an allegorical look at Big Brother and the Patriot Act, etc ... Sort of a Marvel Civil War thing with secret prisons. profiling, etc ... I am with you, but I am seeing Bennett as the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Gyrich" target="_blank">Henry Peter Gyrich</a> of Heroes (Gyrich worked with the Avengers and often had his hands in many "hero issues" on behalf of the govt).  He worked for the government, was patriotic, was bent on "doing the right thing," and didn't care what means he used to reach his goals.  Gyrich was a "good guy" who was essentially a villain.I'm not going to go as far as calling Nathan a villain, but I can definitely see him being an anti-hero.  He is out for himself and will seemingly do whatever it takes to get his way, but I can also see an underlying "goodness" (or a desire to do the "right thing") in his character.   

This message was edited by MadMatt on 12-5-06 @ 6:22 PM

cougarjake13

12-05-2006, 02:23 PM

drusilla wrote: Captain Rooster wrote: lleeder wrote: Great new season whisper: Is your name on the list? so much better than, "Save the ...."i would have liked "what does sylar do with the brains" better.   that's still killing me.   & i while eden offing herself was nice to see so that sylar can't use her brain (or can he??) i would have liked them to off niki/jessica.  cause she's really fucking annoying & not at all interesting. im pretty sure i heard sylar say to eden before she blew her brains out that he was going to consume her brains and take her power too

blakjeezis

12-05-2006, 05:24 PM

Nathan is a similar case. They are dropping hints left and right that he's not always on the up and up: the bit with the painting, and then in Peter's dream. I think they are being set up as villains ... sort of an allegorical look at Big Brother and the Patriot Act, etc ... Sort of a Marvel Civil War thing with secret prisons. profiling, etc ... I'm not going to go as far as calling Nathan a villain, but I can definitely see him being an anti-hero.  He is out for himself and will seemingly do whatever it takes to get his way, but I can also see an underlying "goodness" (or a desire to do the "right thing") in his character.  I'm not sure if Nathan is ever acting truly out of concern for Peter's well being, even at this early stage. It's obvious his major concern is his career. I think his measurement of "goodness" goes about as far as the State House.  And we know he was willing to throw his father under the bus, as was Peter though. It's tough. I like Nathan, but he oozes slime like a slug, the consumate politician. I can't see him being a sort of fence sitting character though. I think that would marginalize him too much. And, by the way, I'm pissed that Isaac doesn't need the drugs.

Captain Rooster

12-05-2006, 05:28 PM

He'd send out the Sentinels if he could ... start a little Genosha.

blakjeezis

12-05-2006, 05:38 PM

Roostie, baby, I'm not sure if I ever "officially" welcomed you back to the board, but it is great to see you again, bro, safe and sound.

Captain Rooster

12-05-2006, 05:40 PM

Amen, Brother ... and MY NAME IS SYLER!

blakjeezis

12-05-2006, 05:43 PM

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHH!!!!RUN AWAAAAAAAYY!!!!!!!!!

Captain Rooster

12-05-2006, 06:00 PM

For an old friend ... http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o295/LTRooster/Blaksig.jpg

Tenbatsuzen

12-05-2006, 07:08 PM

I've always been of the belief that Mr. Bennet is the flip-side of Jack Bauer.  He breaks the rules, he acts unethically and way out of line, but does whatever needs to be done to ensure that the job he is entrusted to do gets done. He's also a father protecting his daughter.  His advantage?  He's got his own personal Jerome to do his dirty work.

FMJeff

12-05-2006, 09:06 PM

Hiro "I got to find that sword"  that was funny...

MadMatt

12-06-2006, 05:44 AM

FMJeff wrote: Hiro "I got to find that sword"  that was funny...Yeah, but what was with him fighting the dinosaur?  Is he really going to jump back that far?

blakjeezis

12-06-2006, 06:09 AM

I agree that in a couple of pics in this week's episode it did look like a dinosaur, but if you look at this: <img src="http://heroeswiki.com/images/0/06/Issue13.jpg" border="0" width="232" height="360" />I posted earlier in the thread. That's one of Isaac's covers, and that certainly doesn't look like a dinosaur to me. I don't know if it's related or not. That figure does not appear to be holding a sword. I'm not even 100% that it's Hiro. 

This message was edited by blakjeezis on 12-6-06 @ 10:12 AM

blakjeezis

12-06-2006, 07:11 AM

I stand corrected. Apparently the person fighting that demon is actually Isaac. Something to do with his first time predicting the future, according to his comic book on the nbc site anyway.

Aggie

12-06-2006, 07:55 AM

I'm done trying to guess for now. I really didn't see the turning of the Haitian coming or the Eden thing. Before she died I thought Peter was either dying (because of how he fell out) or that he would kill himself because he thinks he's the cause of the explosion. I'm VERY glad they didn't kill him though.And it actually looked like Claire and Peter might be interested in each other but the age difference is probably too much, she's like 15 but it looked that way for a second. Claire, 'You're my hero.'The Hiro sword line was good but I laughed when Isaac asks what happens to him in the future and Hiro says, 'You were on the floor. Dead. With your head chopped off.' Just the way he said it made it funny.And Beej, why are you pissed he can paint without the drugs? I thought you were mad if his power was only possible WITH drugs. I'm confused.

This message was edited by Aggie on 12-6-06 @ 11:57 AM

ToLEEdo

12-06-2006, 08:25 AM

As for Nathan, I believe they are setting him up for the under dog role. 1. He will at one point have to give up his career as a politician to save the world. 2. He will become a politician and have to influence legislature (per X-Men).I haven't been convinced if either of these are real. But that last episode was amazing. Any idea of when season 1 will come out on DVD?

cougarjake13

12-06-2006, 03:22 PM

ToLEEdo wrote: As for Nathan, I believe they are setting him up for the under dog role. 1. He will at one point have to give up his career as a politician to save the world. 2. He will become a politician and have to influence legislature (per X-Men).I haven't been convinced if either of these are real. But that last episode was amazing. Any idea of when season 1 will come out on DVD?  im guessing the summerwe still got part of season 1 left to go

ToLEEdo

12-06-2006, 04:17 PM

But I can't wait that long!!!!!

lleeder

12-06-2006, 04:32 PM

I read somewhere that Peter is wearing Sylars watch in his last dream sequence before he explodes. Don't know what it might mean.

Captain Rooster

12-06-2006, 04:39 PM

Anyone sick of the blonde chick with bipolar issues?  I don't mean Gvac either.

ToLEEdo

12-06-2006, 06:02 PM

I have heard that too, I haven't seen it but that does seem to be the perception right now.

MadMatt

12-06-2006, 06:12 PM

Captain Rooster wrote: Anyone sick of the blonde chick with bipolar issues?  I don't mean Gvac either. Yep - Nikki/Jessica is by far the weakest character on the show.  I don't even care about her anymore; the only "interaction" she has had in the storyline is killing people within a few feet of Hiro and being Ando's spank fantasy.  I hope they either kill her off soon or do some radical redevelopment of her character.

DarkHippie

12-06-2006, 06:20 PM

Did anyone else think that the scene where Jessica/Nikki was talking to herself and they switched from camera shot to shot like Gollem in the Two Towers was just awful?

blakjeezis

12-06-2006, 06:43 PM

Yes, Nikki ikkiN is fucking lame. DL is lame. Micah is lame. Upon re-watching, I skip through their parts. In regards to Peter and Sylar's watch, I just checked right quick, and the only shot of Sylar's watch I can find in any episodes is just a shot of the face before he's put it all back together, when the telekinetic guy shows up at the watch shop and he first gives himself that name. However, in the scene before he passes out and has the dream, when he and Nathan are coming out of the police station, Peter isn't wearing a watch. When the dream starts, he is. The opening shot of the dream sequence makes an absolute point of showing it on Peter's arm. So, although I didn't find anything to expressly say it's Sylar's watch, the fact that Peter is wearing it is significant, I think. I mean, Sylar is already tied so closely to watches, there's ticking in the soundtrack when he's on screen, so it's not just an accident. As an aside, there's a dude in one of my classes who looks just like Sylar, same scruff, ballcap, the whole bit. I saw him tonight and was like, "Hey, Sylar." He didn't know what I was talking about.  

This message was edited by blakjeezis on 12-6-06 @ 10:53 PM

BYOBKenobi

12-07-2006, 11:45 AM

Nikki also fucked Nathan... literally/figuratively.Miccah is "digital Sylar."  Sylar fixes mechanical devices, Miccah fixes digital ones.  The human brain is more a digital clock than a mechanical one.  I'm very curious to see how Miccah fits in in the long run... but I'd be he has something to do with taking Sylar down.Did anyone else notice that Miccah is never supprised by special abilities?  Can he tell like Sylar can tell?  He knew his mom and dad were both special before they said anything.Until Peter meets Ted (human torch) then there is always the possibility that he'll pass by him and go off like a nuke.Nathan's power is pretty much useless unless something needs to move quickly... if it's Peter that has to be moved quickly... does Nathan fly his nuclear ass out to space and blow up with him?  I can't figure out why Nathan is useful when it comes to stopping Sylar and/or saving the world.

Tenbatsuzen

12-07-2006, 11:54 AM

If Nikki/Jessica had some PHYSICAL manifestation of the other personality coming out, ala Jekyll/Hyde and/or the Hulk, I'm sure the character would be a lot more interesting.   As for Sylar's watch - Mohinder had a dream sequence with Sylar killing his father, there was a closeup of the watch there.  There was also a closeup of Sylar's watch in the Burnt Toast Diner before he killed Charlie. Here's an interesting question about Peter's dream... Parkman is in uniform, and looks to be doing crowd control. Why would LAPD be in uniform in New York?  And he was wearing an LAPD uniform, NYPD's uniforms are two-tone, where LA is not. Not only that, Parkman is also suspended, and is currently a plainclothes FBI consultant. Why is Clare in uniform in NYC?

Aggie

12-07-2006, 12:40 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: If Nikki/Jessica had some PHYSICAL manifestation of the other personality coming out, ala Jekyll/Hyde and/or the Hulk, I'm sure the character would be a lot more interesting.  Why is Clare in uniform in NYC? Even though her physical appearance doesn't change, she DOES get superhuman strengh. The only reason DL isn't dead is because he's special too, remember what she did to those guys? Don't get me wrong, I don't like her character as of now either, but she does beat people down as Jessica.I was wondering that about Claire too, why would she wear the uniform in NYC? Was it just that Peter pictures her that way because 'save the cheerleader' was so ingrained in him. Good point about Parkman. And when he deciphered one word from the Haitian guy (Sylar) was that because he was really concentrating or the Haitian guy threw him a bone and let him hear that so he could put two and two together?

ToLEEdo

12-07-2006, 02:58 PM

Everyone in Peter's dream was wearing clothes that he is familair with besides Parkman, When Peter met him he was wearing normal clothes.  Sort of weird.   Also, I think Parkman got the word from the Haitian and it was not given to him.  Why wouldn't he give him more to go on. If he wanted him to know

cougarjake13

12-07-2006, 04:28 PM

lleeder wrote: I read somewhere that Peter is wearing Sylars watch in his last dream sequence before he explodes. Don't know what it might mean. well remember when peter was in jail and we saw nathan come in and talk to him for a little bit and all of a sudden he turns into sylar and then peter wakes up ???maybe its the same thing in his dream, or maybe sylar acquired the power to enter dreams or take on the form of someone else

cougarjake13

12-07-2006, 04:34 PM

Aggie wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: If Nikki/Jessica had some PHYSICAL manifestation of the other personality coming out, ala Jekyll/Hyde and/or the Hulk, I'm sure the character would be a lot more interesting.  Why is Clare in uniform in NYC?  And when he deciphered one word from the Haitian guy (Sylar) was that because he was really concentrating or the Haitian guy threw him a bone and let him hear that so he could put two and two together?before the ending with him helping claire i would have said he got lucky but now maybe he let him in but they already knew about sylar so hearing the name doesnt really help but it now they saw bennett and the haitian and parkman hears the name sylar so maybe that'll help somehow

phixion

12-07-2006, 04:46 PM

maybe sylar acquired the power to enter dreams  did he get to that kid in india? that would be fuckin great. freddy krueger style. show up with power glove....... i thought too much about this already.

MadMatt

12-07-2006, 04:53 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: Aggie wrote: And when he deciphered one word from the Haitian guy (Sylar) was that because he was really concentrating or the Haitian guy threw him a bone and let him hear that so he could put two and two together?before the ending with him helping claire i would have said he got lucky but now maybe he let him in but they already knew about sylar so hearing the name doesnt really help but it now they saw bennett and the haitian and parkman hears the name sylar so maybe that'll help somehowI know WE knew that Bennett knew about Sylar, but did Parkman and the FBI know that Bennett knew about Sylar?  I mean, was this new info for Parkman that there is a connection between Sylar and Bennett?I have been thinking about it and I don't remember them knowing.  Since Parkman's mind was wiped, wasn't the first time he "officially" saw Bennett when the authorities were questioning Claire?Help me out here folks...

This message was edited by MadMatt on 12-7-06 @ 8:54 PM

cougarjake13

12-07-2006, 05:45 PM

MadMatt wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: Aggie wrote: And when he deciphered one word from the Haitian guy (Sylar) was that because he was really concentrating or the Haitian guy threw him a bone and let him hear that so he could put two and two together?before the ending with him helping claire i would have said he got lucky but now maybe he let him in but they already knew about sylar so hearing the name doesnt really help but it now they saw bennett and the haitian and parkman hears the name sylar so maybe that'll help somehowI know WE knew that Bennett knew about Sylar, but did Parkman and the FBI know that Bennett knew about Sylar?  I mean, was this new info for Parkman that there is a connection between Sylar and Bennett?I have been thinking about it and I don't remember them knowing.  Since Parkman's mind was wiped, wasn't the first time he "officially" saw Bennett when the authorities were questioning Claire?Help me out here folks...This message was edited by MadMatt on 12-7-06 @ 8:54 PM yeh when parkman woke up in the hospital bed after bennett got him he saw bennet but the haitian guy wiped him clean of that abduction and whatever happened when they were checking him outhe vaguely remembers the haitian in the bar before he blacked out and then doesnt remember anything until he got home to his wife and lost a whole day

blakjeezis

12-07-2006, 08:06 PM

If you're not reading the comics, sorry I mean graphic novellas, over at the <a href="http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/">nbc heroes site</a>, you should be. They have one for each episiode that expands a little on it. They're really short. This week's is particularly interesting. It gives a little background on Eden and HRG.

cougarjake13

12-08-2006, 05:07 AM

blakjeezis wrote: If you're not reading the comics, sorry I mean graphic novellas, over at the <a href="http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/">nbc heroes site</a>, you should be. They have one for each episiode that expands a little on it. They're really short. This week's is particularly interesting. It gives a little background on Eden and HRG. yeh i havent but i'll check it out

Doctor Manhattan

12-08-2006, 09:35 AM

In the last episode, Hiro meets Isaac and shows him a 9th Wonders! comics that show someone telling Hiro "Dude, this looks just like you" and Hiro responding with "I find this artist, Yes?!"Was this exchange from a past episode? I don't remember? I'm sure it wasn't the guy working at the newsstand in New York when Hiro went into the future and saw the issue with "I did it!" on the cover.

Captain Rooster

12-08-2006, 02:19 PM

Is it January yet?

cougarjake13

12-08-2006, 02:38 PM

Captain Rooster wrote: Is it January yet? almost3 weeks 2 days 5 hours and 22 minutes

cougarjake13

12-08-2006, 02:41 PM

Doctor Manhattan wrote: In the last episode, Hiro meets Isaac and shows him a 9th Wonders! comics that show someone telling Hiro "Dude, this looks just like you" and Hiro responding with "I find this artist, Yes?!"Was this exchange from a past episode? I don't remember? I'm sure it wasn't the guy working at the newsstand in New York when Hiro went into the future and saw the issue with "I did it!" on the cover.it looks like when he was at the news stand

Doctor Manhattan

12-08-2006, 06:54 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: Doctor Manhattan wrote: In the last episode, Hiro meets Isaac and shows him a 9th Wonders! comics that show someone telling Hiro "Dude, this looks just like you" and Hiro responding with "I find this artist, Yes?!"Was this exchange from a past episode? I don't remember? I'm sure it wasn't the guy working at the newsstand in New York when Hiro went into the future and saw the issue with "I did it!" on the cover.it looks like when he was at the news standNo it was a black guy at the NY Newsstand, It was a white guy in this week's comic.

cougarjake13

12-08-2006, 08:03 PM

Doctor Manhattan wrote: cougarjake13 wrote: Doctor Manhattan wrote: In the last episode, Hiro meets Isaac and shows him a 9th Wonders! comics that show someone telling Hiro "Dude, this looks just like you" and Hiro responding with "I find this artist, Yes?!"Was this exchange from a past episode? I don't remember? I'm sure it wasn't the guy working at the newsstand in New York when Hiro went into the future and saw the issue with "I did it!" on the cover.it looks like when he was at the news standNo it was a black guy at the NY Newsstand, It was a white guy in this week's comic.ok i have the last one saved on my dvr and just re watched it when you postedcouldnt remember the earlier episode

Captain Rooster

12-09-2006, 06:37 AM

Can we link a countdown "counter" to this thread?

cougarjake13

12-09-2006, 06:47 AM

Captain Rooster wrote: Can we link a countdown "counter" to this thread? theres no mods logged in so i say fuck yeh lets do it

phixion

12-09-2006, 07:06 AM

i wonder if this is why they wiped his mind<a href="http://www.aintitcool.com/node/30910">http://www.aintitcool.com/node/30910</a>

MadMatt

12-09-2006, 07:09 AM

phixion wrote: i wonder if this is why they wiped his mind<a href="http://www.aintitcool.com/node/30910">http://www.aintitcool.com/node/30910</a>I think it's probably the other way around.  He new Heroes would be a temp gig but it helped give him enough juice to get a lead role on "Sarah Connors Chronicles"

cougarjake13

12-09-2006, 09:37 AM

MadMatt wrote: phixion wrote: i wonder if this is why they wiped his mind<a href="http://www.aintitcool.com/node/30910">http://www.aintitcool.com/node/30910</a>I think it's probably the other way around.  He new Heroes would be a temp gig but it helped give him enough juice to get a lead role on "Sarah Connors Chronicles"i guess it would depend on 2 things1 did he sign up for sarah connor chronicles before or after he did heroes2 was it i the director or writers screenplay for him to be mind wiped

BYOBKenobi

12-09-2006, 11:35 AM

wow, the graphic novels really add a lot to the show. I wasn't sure if Sylar could still steal Eden's power until I read it.  Cool stuff.

cougarjake13

12-09-2006, 12:50 PM

BYOBKenobi wrote: wow, the graphic novels really add a lot to the show. I wasn't sure if Sylar could still steal Eden's power until I read it.  Cool stuff.i dont agree, it didnt really add muchjust added a few extensions to the episodes and what about reading them makes you sure that he could take her power, i didnt get that impression

DJEvelEd

12-14-2006, 12:24 PM

<img src="http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/f/fe/180px-HaydenHeadShot1.jpg" border="0" width="180" height="273" />I hope that the DAY she turns 18, she is already hanging with Paris Hilton and we get to see her vagina before it gets turned into roast beef by some rapper. Please call Paris....please do alot of drugs....please....please.... I couldn't tell if Brittney had any Taint left or if she had just one big stinking orafice that she pisses & shits from. Fuck K-Fed and all rappers who get hotter chicks than they deserve.

tbonesteak

12-15-2006, 11:48 AM

DJEvelEd wrote: I hope that the DAY she turns 18, she is already hanging with Paris Hilton and we get to see her vagina before it gets turned into roast beef by some rapper. That's borderline disturbing.  However, it does make you wonder...If you were to have sex with Claire on the show, it would be like fucking a virgin every time because her pussy would heal itself over and over again.The writers must be saving that super power for the Heroes Unedited DVD version.

cougarjake13

12-15-2006, 12:21 PM

tbonesteak wrote: DJEvelEd wrote: I hope that the DAY she turns 18, she is already hanging with Paris Hilton and we get to see her vagina before it gets turned into roast beef by some rapper. That's borderline disturbing.  However, it does make you wonder...If you were to have sex with Claire on the show, it would be like fucking a virgin every time because her pussy would heal itself over and over again.The writers must be saving that super power for the Heroes Unedited DVD version.whats more disturbing ???his post about the brit pussy being more sloppy than a sloppy joe sandwhichor you who thought of the fact that her pussy and hyman would heal after everytime she had sexanyway i'd love to take her virginity away every day for the rest of my life

Doctor Manhattan

12-15-2006, 12:21 PM

DJEvelEd wrote: I hope that the DAY she turns 18, she is already hanging with Paris Hilton and we get to see her vagina before it gets turned into roast beef by some rapper. Paris is <a href="http://www.egotastic.com/entertainment/celebrities/paris-hilton/paris-hilton-will-ruin-elisha-cuthbert-just-like-she-ruined-britney-spears-001989" target="_blank">working on Kim Bauer from 24</a> Paris needs to be a bit quicker. Kim/Elisha is 24 years old this year by the way.

This message was edited by Doctor Manhattan on 12-15-06 @ 4:22 PM

cougarjake13

12-15-2006, 01:34 PM

Doctor Manhattan wrote: DJEvelEd wrote: I hope that the DAY she turns 18, she is already hanging with Paris Hilton and we get to see her vagina before it gets turned into roast beef by some rapper. Paris is <a href="http://www.egotastic.com/entertainment/celebrities/paris-hilton/paris-hilton-will-ruin-elisha-cuthbert-just-like-she-ruined-britney-spears-001989" target="_blank">working on Kim Bauer from 24</a> Paris needs to be a bit quicker. Kim/Elisha is 24 years old this year by the way.This message was edited by Doctor Manhattan on 12-15-06 @ 4:22 PM if it results in some drunken cooch shots then i'll be alright on the taking too long thing

angrymissy

12-15-2006, 01:46 PM

Paris was already hanging out wiht her when I think she was like 15/16<img src="http://photos33.flickr.com/36508805_8a77985f42.jpg" border="0" width="327" height="500" />

Snacks

12-15-2006, 05:40 PM

When will the show be coming back? January?

cougarjake13

12-16-2006, 07:38 AM

yeh jan 22nd

cougarjake13

12-16-2006, 07:42 AM

even though the shows off air the online novel continues<a href="http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/">http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/</a>

DJEvelEd

12-16-2006, 08:56 AM

I watched every episode one after the other for a whole night. It was much more enjoyable that way. No commercials online (except one) and it's definitely the way to go. <a href="http://www.nbc.com/Video/rewind/full_episodes/heroes.shtml?show=heroes06">http://www.nbc.com/Video/rewind/full_episodes/heroes.shtml?show=heroes06</a> if you don't already know. Here is another nice website for free TV & porn too: <a href="http://www.live-online-tv.com/tv/">http://www.live-online-tv.com/tv/</a>

Snacks

12-16-2006, 09:10 AM

cougarjake13 wrote: yeh jan 22nd thanks.I cant believe how much I like this show. I never liked comic books or sci-fi but this show is really good. I dont want to wait til the 22nd

lleeder

12-16-2006, 09:32 AM

I can't wait til the 22

cougarjake13

12-16-2006, 10:37 AM

never done drugs but i feel like a druggie jonesinf for a fixi need my fix dammit

deja

12-21-2006, 01:08 AM

stop these commercials save my sanity. A friend of mine knew the girl who plays the cheerleader broad and it drives her crazy when she attempts to harm herself or gets hurt and shes fine again lol

cougarjake13

12-21-2006, 02:14 PM

im still thinking about the poster who brought up the she'd be a virgin after every time you fucked her

King Imp

12-22-2006, 02:02 PM

ToLEEdo wrote: Everyone in Peter's dream was wearing clothes that he is familair with besides Parkman, When Peter met him he was wearing normal clothes.  Sort of weird.This brings up an interesting point. Peter never once met Niki, DL, or Micah, so how would he possibly know what they look like?

blakjeezis

12-22-2006, 02:42 PM

Because he's not dreaming, but having some kind of premonition or vision?

cougarjake13

12-22-2006, 03:36 PM

King Imp wrote: ToLEEdo wrote: Everyone in Peter's dream was wearing clothes that he is familair with besides Parkman, When Peter met him he was wearing normal clothes.  Sort of weird.This brings up an interesting point. Peter never once met Niki, DL, or Micah, so how would he possibly know what they look like? maybe when he was with issac and he finished the painting maybe he saw other things but only painted the one picture we sawotherwise i got nothing

cougarjake13

01-01-2007, 07:11 AM

graphic novel number 13 is up<a href="http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/">http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/</a>

blakjeezis

01-02-2007, 02:18 PM

As quoted from the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-muo9sXQOQ&mode=related&search=" target="_blank" title="Episode 12 ">Episode 12 "Godsend" preview</a> - "In December, the Fall finale of Heroes gave us an incredible premonition of the future" - spoken by scary voiceover guy as they flash scenes from Peter's vision. Now, it could be a curveball and something else they showed in that episode was the future, but to do the preview in this fashion, if that is the case, ranks pretty high on the cheesedick meter. And another thing ... I forgot what I wanted to say. Oh yeah, after reading the latest in the Graphic Novel series with this new Hana Gitelman character; obviously, her, her mother, and her grandmother's involvement with the Israeli/Palestinian conflict has religious overtones, so could she be the 'Godsend' the title of Episode 12 is referring to? There's also a new kind of creepy looking guy in the trailer interacting with Peter. First he has Peter held up against a lightpost, and then it looks like he's laughing at him from across a street or something while Peter's on a cell phone. Peter says, "Who are you?" and "How can you see me?" Again, these shots are all shown in montage and Peter is speaking in voice over, so they're not necessarily related, but that's just what they show. 

This message was edited by blakjeezis on 1-2-07 @ 6:29 PM

blakjeezis

01-03-2007, 09:57 PM

Favorite Character?    The obvious answer is Hiro. And for good reason, I suppose. He is the most fun, most relatable for most sci-fi/comic book types (genre everyman, if you will), and has one of the cooler powers. However, I forsee, if it hasn't already, this becoming a Wolverine/Snake Eyes/Storm Shadow situation with him. "Yeah, he's everbody's favorite. Besides Snake Eyes who's you - Yeah, uh huh ... besides Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow, who's your favorite Joe."    Anyway, that went on a bum steer. The character I most want to see each episode is Parkman. I think his character is great, the actor is really good, and I love his story. So yeah, Parkman is the shit. My fave scene so far is when he and Peter were reading each others' minds.  Least Favorite Character?    Mohinder.

cougarjake13

01-04-2007, 04:11 PM

fav is hiro but i also like peter i just hope he doesnt turn into a villanleast is niki/jessica i just feel she doesnt add much to the show and i cant wait until her segments are over but i like DL and micah so i deal with her

blakjeezis

01-09-2007, 09:13 AM

Parts 2 and 3 of <a href="http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/" target="_blank" title="Wireless">Wireless</a>, the graphic novel to introduce this new Hana character, are up. Yeah, turns out she can gather, interpret and transmit electronic messages with her mind. Also sheds a little more light on HRG and his whole bit ... maybe.Also, if you go to the Heroes (www.nbc.com/heroes) main page there's a cool clip from when Masi Oka (Hiro Nakamura) went on Leno. It's a pretty cool scene between Hiro and Nathan. 

This message was edited by blakjeezis on 1-9-07 @ 4:16 PM

JustJon

01-09-2007, 09:22 AM

AICN got a copy of the Jan 22 episode, and have some spoilers up.

blakjeezis

01-09-2007, 12:13 PM

AICN can eat a bowl of dick.  I'm interested to see if they ever broach the subject of what caused them all to manifest their powers around the same time. Obviously, due to the wide range of character ages, it's not an age or puberty activated situation like X-Men. I would assume that there must be some sort of environmental catalyst, being that they all started around the same time, 'six months ago'. I hope it's not something cheesey like, it was time for them to come forward and save the world. The show has been able to root itself, at least marginally, in some sort of reality, I would hope it would continue.

cougarjake13

01-09-2007, 03:48 PM

ill just wait the 2 weeks, i hate spoilers

Tenbatsuzen

01-18-2007, 10:41 AM

Bump... don't forget Monday. Are you on the list?

spadanko

01-18-2007, 12:37 PM

here is some Heroes news from TVguide.com (cheap plug)..ok, i made the content white<td> </td>Heroes Exec on Claire's Dad, the Big Death and Milo's Bangs <td> </td> As promised, here's my Q&A with Heroes series creator Tim Kring. But before we get to that, I have to tell you what I did last night: I watched the next original episode of Heroes! You know, the one not slated for public consumption until Jan. 22? Don't hate me. Instead, look at all these pretty spoilers I brought back! * A female character is written off (possibly forever). * Hiro has a run-in with a T-Rex. * A major scene from the pilot gets reenacted. * Christopher Eccleston makes his debut. * An estranged couple patches things up. * A hero's powers begin to diminish. * There's an unexpected (and pretty frakkin' hilarious) reunion between two heroes. And if you think all that sounds insane, wait until you hear what the show has in store for February sweeps and beyond. On second thought, no need to wait — read on! Ausiello: We already know that Jessalyn Gilsig is playing Claire's birth mother. When will we find out about her father? Tim Kring: We'll reveal that in February sweeps. Ausiello: Is it fair to say that that'll be a big shocker? Kring: Yeah. A really big shocker. Ausiello: Is it true that Episode 17 will flash back 15 years to show how Claire came into H.R.G.'s care? Kring: Yeah. You'll see the inciting incident that allowed him to gain possession of her. Ausiello: Will the entire episode be set in that time period? Kring: No. It's framed in a very tense, present-day story where the family is forced to deal with the past. Ausiello: Masi Oka <a href="http://community.tvguide.com/thread.jspa?threadID=700015635">dropped some hints last week</a> about a new love interest for Hiro. Care to confirm? Kring: Oh. Um.... Ausiello: Not to put you on the spot or anything. Kring: It's not for a long time. He has a Season 2 love interest that we're already talking about. Ausiello: Can you confirm that there will be another death this season? Kring: Yeah, I can confirm that. Ausiello: A major character? Kring: It'll be someone who was in the opening minutes of the pilot. Ausiello: A burning question from the fall finale: Was that really Peter in the flash-forward, or was it Sylar in disguise? Kring: Well, it was just a dream. And the dream obviously had all kinds of strange, surreal dream imagery in it. Ausiello: Really? I just assumed he was seeing the future. Kring: I never intended for that to be a flash-forward. It's a dream. He falls to the ground and you zoom in on his face, and the next time you see him he's in a coma in the hospital. It has all the vocabulary of a dream. Greg Grunberg is in his police uniform, Claire is in her cheerleader uniform.... They're all in sort of primary colors. But he's had dreams before, and they've had premonition qualities to them. Ausiello: OK, another burning Q: How was Sylar able to break through the glass to ki

spadanko

01-18-2007, 12:39 PM

ugh, did I do soemthing wrong?

cougarjake13

01-18-2007, 04:45 PM

spadanko wrote: ugh, did I do soemthing wrong? yeh theres no white text 4 more days biotches

spadanko

01-19-2007, 05:17 AM

cougarjake13 wrote: spadanko wrote: ugh, did I do soemthing wrong? yeh theres no white text 4 more days biotches for some reason the content is at the top of the page... tons of stuff there

cougarjake13

01-21-2007, 10:01 AM

part 4 is up<a href="http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_016.shtml">http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_016.shtml</a>and it's coming back tommorrow biotches

walking joint

01-21-2007, 10:12 AM

i have to choose between Heroes and 24 tomorrow.  I have tivo, but its not an HD tivo box.  which would you watch in HD?

lleeder

01-21-2007, 10:14 AM

I need a DVR box. Heros and 24 on the same night whats a boy to do?

cougarjake13

01-21-2007, 10:26 AM

walking joint wrote: i have to choose between Heroes and 24 tomorrow.  I have tivo, but its not an HD tivo box.  which would you watch in HD? 24b/c heroes gets rebroadcast on another channel later in the week i think

Captain Rooster

01-22-2007, 04:14 PM

tonight!!!!!!!!

lleeder

01-22-2007, 04:54 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: walking joint wrote: i have to choose between Heroes and 24 tomorrow.  I have tivo, but its not an HD tivo box.  which would you watch in HD? 24b/c heroes gets rebroadcast on another channel later in the week i thinkJust got my DVR box 1st heros then 24

lleeder

01-22-2007, 05:34 PM

This is either about to get really good or really stupid, I havent decided

Dan 'Hampton

01-22-2007, 06:07 PM

Invisibleman! Nice......

lleeder

01-22-2007, 06:34 PM

dschef wrote: Invisibleman! Nice...... To wait all those weeks just for that...disappointing

INFOSTUD

01-22-2007, 06:50 PM

The invisible man is played by Christopher Eccleston.  Eccleston played the 9th Doctor on Doctor Who.  His character on Heroes is named Claude--named after the actor Claude Rains who played The Invisible Man in the 1933 film.

trig

01-22-2007, 08:24 PM

The episode was a little anticlimactic for me after waiting anxiously, but i'm still looking forward to seeing this season unravel.  The invisible man is pretty cool.  I guess I have to go back and scan the last season, but how did the nuclear man get out of custody? Last I remember seeing him, he was being taken out of that interrogation room, now he's in a shack in the middle of nowhere?  wtf?

blakjeezis

01-22-2007, 09:00 PM

It's the little things that make this show truly great. Flash yourself forward a year or two and imagine you're watching the show. Let's just say whatever characters make it have formed a tight knit sort of JLA type of superhero group. Obviously there not gonna have a secret lair and all that shit, but the Heroes-verse version of the JLA. That's usually where we, the audience, come into the story in most cases. The characters have their powers, the group is formed and has a history. But not with this show. Here we get to see it from the very, VERY beginning and it's so natural and tight and organic that it's seamless.Like, let's say you tune in for the first time, in season 4, and you can tell immediately that Peter and Isaac don't like each other. Maybe you even discern that there's a history between them and the black chick, I forget her name, Shaft's daughter. But here you get to see it happen and why it happened, and it;s much realer to you. Or there's a relationship, a real close, almost brotherly relationship between Nathan (who really was great in this last epsode) and Hiro. Like, ball-busting and the like, and you got to see where it all began tonight with that little exchange they had. The foundation for the future dynamic of the entire series is being formed in front of us. Maybe I'm getting a little too involved, but it's those little moments that give me the chills.   Big Teddy Sprague tonight too, huh? Setting off those mini-explosions with his hands. Control, that's where these shows are heading towards. Mohinder said it there at the end. I also called the Primatech Paper Co., 1-800-PRIMA16, from the card HRG gave to Mohinder. *Spoiler ON!, because some people may want to look for themselves. It's there. A voice answers that it is indeed the Primatech Paper Co., then says that all operators are busy. It prompts for an access code (much like the one HRG gave Mohinder on the back of the card I'm sure) or gives 3 options:1 - Sales - "Busy, check website or call back."2 - Shipping - "Busy, check website or call back."3 - Personnel - "Busy, but always looking out for "motivated individuals with abilities that meet our needs." Check website and click on 'Job opportunites' and enter code MT36. Also, to be alerted of any other opportunities via text message, leave your cell number. <a href="http://www.primatechpaper.com" title="Linkification: http://www.primatechpaper.com">www.primatechpaper.com</a>, click "JOBS" and enter said code. Get an 'employment application" which translates to a mail/email/phone/cell/text list and brief personality inventory. If anyone can figure out the code that HRG gave Mohinder, that would be fucking stellar. *Spolier Vision OFF! 

This message was edited by blakjeezis on 1-23-07 @ 1:29 AM