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[IamFogHat]

Ok so I'm caught up with the first 19 episodes now, is NBC not playing this week's new episode on the website? WTF!

[MadMatt]

EXPLODING MAN REVEALED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novels_display.shtml?novel=30

The key word is "was" the bomb. Hiro changed history - Claire survived. Sylar doesn't have the regeneration, but Peter does. Peter can still be the bomb, of course so can Sylar. It depends on who gets to "Nuclear Man" first.

Of course Hiro just changed history AGAIN by encountering himself in the future.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Plot inconsistency:

Bennett is aware of the Exploding Man. He is aware of Ted's powers. He knows NYC gets destroyed. WHY IS HE BRINGING TED TO NYC!?

[cougarjake13]

The key word is "was" the bomb. Hiro changed history - Claire survived. Sylar doesn't have the regeneration, but Peter does. Peter can still be the bomb, of course so can Sylar. It depends on who gets to "Nuclear Man" first.

Of course Hiro just changed history AGAIN by encountering himself in the future.



well also the kinda allude to sylar as the bomb maybe in the previews after last weeks episode when they show a picture of sylar and an american flag i think and it says the tag line america remembers but is that saying sylar did it or did he somehow con himself into being a hero ???

[ToLEEdo]

Did anyone think that this weeks comic gave away too much of the next episode? I thought it gave away too much general info, I hope that there are still a lot of surprises coming up.

[cougarjake13]

Did anyone think that this weeks comic gave away too much of the next episode? I thought it gave away too much general info, I hope that there are still a lot of surprises coming up.

it give a bit much but not so much that it'll ruin things

[tbonesteak]

Just rewatched last week's episode. It's ridiculous that Mohinder didn't kill Sylar after he knocked him out. And the glass in Peter's skull was way too obvious. Other than than it was a good episode.

I just have a feeling that tonight's episode is going to be a waste of time. It takes place 5 years in the future "if" the bomb were to go off. In general, flash back episodes and flash forward episodes on most shows are usually pretty lame. Hopefully I'm wrong about this one.

[MadMatt]

Just rewatched last week's episode. It's ridiculous that Mohinder didn't kill Sylar after he knocked him out. And the glass in Peter's skull was way too obvious. Other than than it was a good episode.

I just have a feeling that tonight's episode is going to be a waste of time. It takes place 5 years in the future "if" the bomb were to go off. In general, flash back episodes and flash forward episodes on most shows are usually pretty lame. Hopefully I'm wrong about this one.

Yeah, it makes NO SENSE that Mohindar didn't kill Sylar. The ONLY thing I can think of is that he was too physically f-ed up to do anything. He didn't know how soon Sylar would wake up, he wanted to save himself and get Peter out of there so Sylar couldn't get his power, and he could have been in shock from being tortured and watching Peter die.

Lame excuses, but I'm trying to make the pieces fit.

As for the flash-forward, I wouldn't count it out. If any show has a legit reason to do a flash-forward it's Heroes. There are people that can see the future and can travel in time, plus they are trying to figure out what went wrong and when.

By "looking forward" they might be able to figure out what to change in the past. It all depends on the premise of the show - is it someone glimpsing the future or is it a gratuitous "what if" episode?

[cougarjake13]

i agree that mohinder was prob more concerned about getting peter and himself out of there and was worried that maybe he'd fuck up and instead of killing him just wake him up and piss him off


less than 2 hours !!!!!!!!!!

[PapaBear]

Holy shit!!!

[cougarjake13]

holy shit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cougarjake13]

i so wanted to see more of peter vs sylar

motherfuckers

[furie]

Yeah, the fire & ice thing at the end would have been cool.
I honestly didn't see Sylar being president at all.
But I can't stand when they add critical characters this late in the season!

[drusilla]

durrr candace!!! i was sitting there like trying to figure out what she could do to make him president. durrrrrrrrrrr!

[MadMatt]

Excellent!

Nice twist near the end, I did not see that coming. And I agree, I wish they had shown more of the fight.

[PapaBear]

I'm guessing there will be a balls out fight near the end. They don't want to use it up now.

[lleeder]

The future we saw is that everything that happens if things keep the way they are now. I wonder what makes Parkman and the Hatian so loyal to Nathan/Sylar. Claire's power seems more and more shitty to me each week. It would be so much more useful if she had super strength to accompany it.

[ToLEEdo]

Claire's power seems more and more shitty to me each week. It would be so much more useful if she had super strength to accompany it.

Or adamantium claws

[Tenbatsuzen]

Or adamantium claws

or beszerker rage

[King Imp]

That was one of the best, if not the best episode to date. That was very cool to see what has happened. I liked seeing that Parkman's ability has grown. Being able to only read current thoughts was kinda lame. Now at least he can go back into someone's memory.

So, over 5 years we now know that Sylar has knocked off Nathan, D.L., Ted Sprague, and that hot morphing chick who wore the school girl mini skirts. Did I miss anyone?

Okay, now comes the confusion part.

Confusion #1: Why does Peter have a scar? If he can regenerate, wouldn't that have healed?
I kinda have a theory as to why, but I may be wrong. I'm thinking that the regeneration ability has evolved to where he can control how it works, so maybe he chose to keep the scar because of the grief from killing all those people.

Confusion #2: Wouldn't the bomb still go off even if Hiro kills Sylar? We know it's Peter that causes it, so aside from getting rid of a killer, what will that solve?

Confusion #3: Was Nathan ever President, or has Sylar assumed his form all this time?

Confusion #4: Does anyone know that Sylar is pretending to be Nathan? I found it strange that Parkman didn't seem to notice that "Nathan" just reached through a door and pulled Peter out.

[Reynolds]

Story is interesting, got pretty exciting toward the end there, but they have god awful writers on that show dialogue wise, every conversation has some hack cliche in it. Always going to be holes in a storyline when time travel is involved, but because it is involved there's also endless possibilities for answers to the holes.

Claire's power would be better if she could heal others as well, they should throw that in as a "learning to control her powers" touch.

[Doctor Manhattan]

...Okay, now comes the confusion part.

...

Confusion #2: Wouldn't the bomb still go off even if Hiro kills Sylar? We know it's Peter that causes it, so aside from getting rid of a killer, what will that solve?

...

Add this:

Confusion #5: In this version of 2011 Hiro was not able to kill Sylar before/during the bomb blast in 2006 because Sylar had Claire's power and regenerated. But Claire was alive, at least until 2011 when Sylar killed her, taking her power again? Did Hiro not stab Sylar or did Claire not die when Sylar took her power in 2006? But then why was he, in 2011, "waiting for this for so long" if he had taken her power in 2006 and was able to regenerate from Hiro's stabbing?

[furie]

I still love how this fear of DHS has worked its way into the public consciousness. As if it is some sort of Gestapo force rounding citizens up and raiding houses. Homeland Security has become the bogie man of the new millennium the way that the ATF was in the 90's

[furie]

Add this:

Confusion #5: In this version of 2011 Hiro was not able to kill Sylar before/during the bomb blast in 2006 because Sylar had Claire's power and regenerated. But Claire was alive, at least until 2011 when Sylar killed her, taking her power again? Did Hiro not stab Sylar or did Claire not die when Sylar took her power in 2006? But then why was he, in 2011, "waiting for this for so long" if he had taken her power in 2006 and was able to regenerate from Hiro's stabbing?


because Hiro stabbed Sylar after he had taken claire's power in 2007. that's why Hiro went back in time to warn peter and change the past. Therefore sylar did NOT take claire's power until 2011.

So now Hiro has to go back to 2007 and stab sylar in the here and now.

simple.

[Doctor Manhattan]

because Hiro stabbed Sylar after he had taken claire's power in 2007. that's why Hiro went back in time to warn peter and change the past. Therefore sylar did NOT take claire's power until 2011.

So now Hiro has to go back to 2007 and stab sylar in the here and now.

simple.

So Hiro did change the past (Peter saved the cheerleader who was alive in 2011) Why did Future Hiro still remember, in 2011, Sylar regenerating during the fight in 2006? Wouldn't that have changed since Sylar didn't have Claire's power in 2006? Shouldn't Hiro have been able to kill Sylar with his sword?

[spadanko]

friggin' awesome! I could not figure out who candice was.. that was brilliant stuff... fantastic episode

[furie]

So Hiro did change the past (Peter saved the cheerleader who was alive in 2011) Why did Future Hiro still remember, in 2011, Sylar regenerating during the fight in 2006? Wouldn't that have changed since Sylar didn't have Claire's power in 2006? Shouldn't Hiro have been able to kill Sylar with his sword?

No, if the past was changed, the fight in 2006 never happened. future hiro didn't stab sylar because he jumped ahead of the fight to tell peter to save the cheerleader. changed all future events. he doesn't remember claire being alive because he then jumps out of space/time then back into the new future. he's unchanged.
it's like switching trains. you leave one train to another, but it's still you.
understand?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Did anyone see a lot of plot similarities to "Yesterday's Enterprise"? I'm not saying that's a bad thing, I'm just saying a saw a lot of similarities towards the end.

[Tenbatsuzen]

OK, here are the paradoxes...

Even with Hiro changing time, he doesn't know the things that happen afterwards. He didn't know that Claire was still alive; that she was in hiding. Remember his relief when he found out that Peter saved Claire?

Here's what I'm thinking.

Candace has the power to create illusions. Sylar stole that. DHS knows that there's a lot of illusionists around.

My guess is that maybe Hiro THOUGHT he killed Sylar - but in reality, killed Nathan in an illusion that Sylar set up.

I dunno, I have to see the episode again to figure out what's going on...

[Doctor Manhattan]

No, if the past was changed, the fight in 2006 never happened. future hiro didn't stab sylar because he jumped ahead of the fight to tell peter to save the cheerleader. changed all future events. he doesn't remember claire being alive because he then jumps out of space/time then back into the new future. he's unchanged.
it's like switching trains. you leave one train to another, but it's still you.
understand?

Wait, does Hiro think Sylar is the one that blows up NYC? He goes to 2006 to get Peter to save Claire so that Hiro can kill Sylar who would not have Claire's powers at that point. Is Hiro's plan to prevent Sylar from Exploding? Present Day Hiro seems to be working toward stopping the bomb.

Hiro still remembers trying to kill Sylar because that is a memory from the first go around where Sylar killed Claire and got her powers. That makes sense (Jumping trains and remaning the same 2011 Future Hiro). But wouldn't something of the future have been changed for Future Hiro when he returns to 2011? Wouldn't saving the Cheerleader make some difference in 2011 for Hiro. Hiro would notice the differences. Does Future Hiro encounter Present Day Hiro in 2011 right after returning from his visit to 2006 to give Peter the message?

[tbonesteak]

Just rewatched last week's episode. It's ridiculous that Mohinder didn't kill Sylar after he knocked him out. And the glass in Peter's skull was way too obvious. Other than than it was a good episode.

I just have a feeling that tonight's episode is going to be a waste of time. It takes place 5 years in the future "if" the bomb were to go off. In general, flash back episodes and flash forward episodes on most shows are usually pretty lame. Hopefully I'm wrong about this one.

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WOW! I couldn't have been more wrong. What a phenomenol episode. Best flash forward ever. I agree with the person who said that the writing was pretty bad. And I would add that the acting was mediocre at best. But the way they pulled that off was masterful. Totally relevant to what's going on. Great twists throughout. Fantastic episode.

The question I would add to list is: wouldn't Peter and Parkman know that Nathan was really Sylar because of their ability to read minds?

[IamFogHat]

Damn good episode. I'm curious to see if they'll go into the future again (the post nuclear bomb future) to explore those characters/circumstances. It was all very interesting in comparison to the present day heroes.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Damn good episode. I'm curious to see if they'll go into the future again (the post nuclear bomb future) to explore those characters/circumstances. It was all very interesting in comparison to the present day heroes.

If Hiro remains on the show (Which I'm sure he will) then I'm sure they will do tell stories from the point of view of a time traveler; There was another episode that had Hiro go back a few months. We then saw where some characters were before the current story line (How Sylar began his gathering of powers)

[FMJeff]

That episode was awesome. I only wish Peter and Hiro lost their keys to the Matrix costume closet.

Couple of things have to happen:

1) Sylar knows Hiro is coming for him. He can see the future.

2) I agree with the point that Matt and Peter should have realized Nathan was Sylar, unless Sylar killed some kind of "mask my identity" superpower somewhere.

3) I still don't understand why Sylar is an equal match for Peter. Peter can just walk by a superpower and get their power. He's a sponge. All he needs to do is be surrounded by everyone and he'll absorb everything. Sylar, I imagine, has to chop their brains out. I still don't get his power, btw. Does he eat the brain?

[Doctor Manhattan]

Couple of things have to happen:

1) Sylar knows Hiro is coming for him. He can see the future.

Wait, When did Sylar start seeing the future?

[Aggie]

Wait, When did Sylar start seeing the future?

When he killed Isaac. He can now paint the future and remember the first thing he painted was that creepy picture of Nathan as president? He was probably seeing himself AS Nathan.

Also, if Sylar knows Parkman and Peter read minds, maybe he can control it when they're around. And if they can both control WHEN they read minds and it's not involuntary they would never suspect Nathan to be someone else and therefore wouldn't penetrate his thoughts. Just an idea.

I'm so excited to be reading and contributing to this thread again. I got 6 episodes behind when 24 started but now have a dual input DVR so I can record both at once. Whew! And this show is so much more worth it than 24 right now.

[drusilla]

My guess is that maybe Hiro THOUGHT he killed Sylar - but in reality, killed Nathan in an illusion that Sylar set up.

I dunno, I have to see the episode again to figure out what's going on...

i was thinking the same thing. it was an illusion that sylar set up. i'm bored at work. i think i may watch the episode online now. i really have to see it again.

[furie]

3) I still don't understand why Sylar is an equal match for Peter. Peter can just walk by a superpower and get their power. He's a sponge. All he needs to do is be surrounded by everyone and he'll absorb everything. Sylar, I imagine, has to chop their brains out. I still don't get his power, btw. Does he eat the brain?

No, Sylar can take things apart and figure them out. just as he did with all the watches. took them apart and learned how they worked. apprently he does the same with mutant brains.

[Aggie]

No, Sylar can take things apart and figure them out. just as he did with all the watches. took them apart and learned how they worked. apprently he does the same with mutant brains.

Which begs the question...wouldn't Peter be able to use ALL of the powers Sylar has acquired by killing all of the 'heroes' along the way?

So it seems that they are pretty equally matched OR Peter should be stronger.

To address the Peter scar issue: Yes, he has Claire's healing powers and she walked through the radiation and completely healed, but if she or Peter were actually a NUCLEAR BOMB-maybe that is where he 'ripped open' when he exploded and that was just too much to heal completely. The fact that that is the ONLY remnant of blowing up and destroying a city is fine with me. I can accept a scar.

[Doctor Manhattan]

When he killed Isaac...

Thanks, I totally forgot about that.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Dumb question - has Peter ever been in vicinity of the hatian?

[Tenbatsuzen]

I just had a weird thought about Peter's scar... that it's psycho-somatic from being around the merged Niki/Jessica.

[furie]

Which begs the question...wouldn't Peter be able to use ALL of the powers Sylar has acquired by killing all of the 'heroes' along the way?



yes, that's where he got his telekenetic powers. i think they mentioned that.

[IMSlacker]

I just had a weird thought about Peter's scar... that it's psycho-somatic from being around the merged Niki/Jessica.

Maybe. I was wondering why he would have that big scar when he's got Claire's healing power.

[lleeder]

If Sylar loves power so much why wouldn't he kill the Haitian? His power seems like the best one to me right now. We thought he could only block mind reading and erase minds. We learned in this episode that he can prevent Hiro from using his power. This leads me to believe he can stop any brain functions. He can stop anyone from using their powers at any time. If he wanted to he could make Sylar unable to use his power and kill him with ease.

[Aggie]

Dumb question - has Peter ever been in vicinity of the hatian?

Weren't they near each other when he saw Claire in the hospital in Texas? Mr. Bennet always had him around.

Edit: Also, that's a great question lleeder. The only thing I can think of is that he doesn't exactly know his power but that doesn't make sense since he's really President Petrelli. Maybe he has all the power he needs (being president) and it seems like him wanting to say they found a 'cure' is to get all of the 'heroes' to come out of hiding so he can absorb new powers with no one to stop him. I think he truly ENJOYS fighting and using the powers of others. I don't think he wants it to be that easy?? Just guessing.

[drusilla]

If Sylar loves power so much why wouldn't he kill the Haitian? His power seems like the best one to me right now. We thought he could only block mind reading and erase minds. We learned in this episode that he can prevent Hiro from using his power. This leads me to believe he can stop any brain functions. He can stop anyone from using their powers at any time. If he wanted to he could make Sylar unable to use his power and kill him with ease.

i took it as he could block powers when he was able to block the mind reading. i thought once before that someoen wasn't able to do something because he was around. i could be wrong, but i already assumed that he blocked out powers completely. now i don't know why.

[Aggie]

i took it as he could block powers when he was able to block the mind reading. i thought once before that someoen wasn't able to do something because he was around. i could be wrong, but i already assumed that he blocked out powers completely. now i don't know why.

Sorry if you guys are sick of me, I just thought of something else.

Don't forget Mr. Bennet and the Haitian HAD Sylar and were just sedating him. Obviously they COULD have killed him (with the Haitian blocking his mind), but as we found out, Mr. B is a middle man just following orders from his boss.

If the boss is Lindermann, he WANTED Sylar to blow up to 'bring the world closer together'. But it turns out Sylar wasn't even the one who blew, it was Peter.

So it's not like there hasn't been a chance to kill Sylar, I think more important to remember is there is someone powerful trying to keep him alive.

[drusilla]

i just rewatched it. i might have caught one or more things things time around.

totally sucks that hiro is the one who brought candace & dl & molly parker (the little girl we neet next week) to bennet. so i'm really curious how sylar was able to get to them if he wasn't already posing as nathan by then.

[King Imp]

1) Sylar knows Hiro is coming for him. He can see the future.

That's true, but we don't know exactly when Hiro teleported back to. He may have gone back before Sylar killed Issac.

I have a feeling that Peter will end up dying at season's end. I don't want to see it happen, but think about it. Why would anyone care about the other heroes and what purpose would any of them serve if Peter could do the same exact thing as all of them? Hiro isn't special anymore, Claire isn't special anymore, none of them are unique now that Peter can do the same things. Now, if Peter dies, then it's up to the other heroes to band together to take out Sylar since the ultimate hero won't be around to do it himself.

[cougarjake13]

The future we saw is that everything that happens if things keep the way they are now. I wonder what makes Parkman and the Hatian so loyal to Nathan/Sylar. .

prob because he promised not to tell anyone what powers they had in return for helping him track down the others with powers

[MadMatt]

That's true, but we don't know exactly when Hiro teleported back to. He may have gone back before Sylar killed Issac.

I have a feeling that Peter will end up dying at season's end. I don't want to see it happen, but think about it. Why would anyone care about the other heroes and what purpose would any of them serve if Peter could do the same exact thing as all of them? Hiro isn't special anymore, Claire isn't special anymore, none of them are unique now that Peter can do the same things. Now, if Peter dies, then it's up to the other heroes to band together to take out Sylar since the ultimate hero won't be around to do it himself.

Peter can use all of the powers he comes into contact with, but can he use them all well? If you have one power to work with you can put all of your time and effort into mastering it; if you have 6 powers (randomly picking a number), you have to divert your attention. You might become quite adept at using a few of your powers, but you probably aren't going to gain the level of mastery that the owner has the possibility of attaining.

That's why everyone is still special - they can each find new ways to "spin" their powers into new and unexpected areas.

[cougarjake13]

So, over 5 years we now know that Sylar has knocked off Nathan, D.L., Ted Sprague, and that hot morphing chick who wore the school girl mini skirts. Did I miss anyone?

Okay, now comes the confusion part.

Confusion #1: Why does Peter have a scar? If he can regenerate, wouldn't that have healed?
I kinda have a theory as to why, but I may be wrong. I'm thinking that the regeneration ability has evolved to where he can control how it works, so maybe he chose to keep the scar because of the grief from killing all those people.

Confusion #2: Wouldn't the bomb still go off even if Hiro kills Sylar? We know it's Peter that causes it, so aside from getting rid of a killer, what will that solve?

Confusion #3: Was Nathan ever President, or has Sylar assumed his form all this time?

Confusion #4: Does anyone know that Sylar is pretending to be Nathan? I found it strange that Parkman didn't seem to notice that "Nathan" just reached through a door and pulled Peter out.


for number 1 thats what i said a few weeks ago if he can regenerate then where does the scar come from, i was thinking maybe it happens early before he has full control of the powers and couldnt fix it

number 2 bomb still goes off if he kills sylar, but at the end or maybe it was the previews hiro says i know i can save you but now comes the hard part, he has to kill peter

number 3 theres no real way to know

number 4 im guessing not but you'd think parkman could hear sylar thoughts and realize it wasnt nathan

so im guessing no one knows

[MadMatt]

OK, here are the paradoxes...

Even with Hiro changing time, he doesn't know the things that happen afterwards. He didn't know that Claire was still alive; that she was in hiding. Remember his relief when he found out that Peter saved Claire?

Here's what I'm thinking.

Candace has the power to create illusions. Sylar stole that. DHS knows that there's a lot of illusionists around.

My guess is that maybe Hiro THOUGHT he killed Sylar - but in reality, killed Nathan in an illusion that Sylar set up.

I dunno, I have to see the episode again to figure out what's going on...

Tenbats, I think you are right on the money - Hiro thinks he is killing Sylar but he really kills Nathan (in the new "Claire has been saved" reality anyway). It would be the perfect setup for Sylar taking over Nathan's life.

That would also cause Peter's vision of the future to make more sense. Although part of it was obviously symbolic imagry, there is a key point that makes more sense now: Peter is starting to build up power when Nathan walks up to Peter and offers to help him, putting a hand on Peter's shoulder. Right after that, Peter overloads and explodes.

Peter is on the edge, but he is obviously holding on - although it is tenuous. But since it is Sylar posing as Nathan, the influx of additional powers in Peter's vicinity causes him to completely lose control and go off like a Roman Candle. Therefore, if Hiro is able to kill Sylar then Peter may be able to maintain control and not explode.

Also, if Nathan really was Nathan, he could fly away with Peter to minimize the damage. Of course this assumes Nathan is not a complete scumbag and in the end would choose to help his brother rather than watch him die.

[cougarjake13]

i still think that as soon as hiro leaves the train with peter telling him to save the cheerleader that the millisecond he returns to 2012 he should see the results of what happened after he left the train

he shouldnt go back to the dismal 2012 we saw in this episode


the only thing i can come up with is the old version has sylar killing claire in texas and can regenerate so doesnt die when hiro tries to kill him

hiro goes back to tell peter so they can prevent her dying in texas, which they do and when the bomb goes off sylar doesnt have claire's powers, she goes into hiding for 5 years, but current hiro is focused on stopping the bomb now instead of going after sylar in the original plotline and the stabbing doesnt happen, and at some point sylar assumes nathan's identity

[MadMatt]

I think they key point we are missing is that everyone thinks/thought that Sylar is the one that causes the explosion and it is Peter. WE all know it, but THEY don't.

What is worse now is that Hiro learned in the future that Sylar caused the bomb. He thinks stopping Sylar will definitely stop the bomb, but it is Peter that is set to explode. Killing Sylar may or may not be the key.

[King Imp]

Peter can use all of the powers he comes into contact with, but can he use them all well? If you have one power to work with you can put all of your time and effort into mastering it; if you have 6 powers (randomly picking a number), you have to divert your attention. You might become quite adept at using a few of your powers, but you probably aren't going to gain the level of mastery that the owner has the possibility of attaining.

That's why everyone is still special - they can each find new ways to "spin" their powers into new and unexpected areas.

I definitely hope the writers think that way as well. After Hiro, Peter is my next favorite character and I'd hate to see him go under my theory.

[cougarjake13]

I think they key point we are missing is that everyone thinks/thought that Sylar is the one that causes the explosion and it is Peter. WE all know it, but THEY don't.

What is worse now is that Hiro learned in the future that Sylar caused the bomb. He thinks stopping Sylar will definitely stop the bomb, but it is Peter that is set to explode. Killing Sylar may or may not be the key.

well i like what a previous poster above said and that peter explodes because there are too many powers around him at once, including sylar and that causes him to go off

but maybe its just that he's near ted and he absorbs ted's powers but can't control it and explodes

[PapaBear]

Claire: "You can fly?

(sheepishly) That's cool."


That was so cute!

[Scarlet Spider]

Now I'm all confused who explodes

[King Imp]

Claire: "You can fly?

(sheepishly) That's cool."


That was so cute!

I got a kick out of that line as well.

So, Molly Walker. Her power is she can see where people are? That's it? I was thinking it was gonna be something huge. Definitely not as big as I expected.

Now I'm kinda confused. How did Sylar "break" Hiro's time freeze? Did Hiro just lose concentration from being so nervous or does Sylar have some sort of ability that can enable him to interrupt a power?

[PapaBear]

I think he's just so powerful, it's hard to keep in control. While he was stopped, he heard them. It allowed him to realise what was happening, and snap out of it.

[blakjeezis]

A wizard did it!


I'm as big a nerd as the next geek, but man, it is getting brutal in here.

[Doctor Manhattan]

So what's the deal with Hiro not reading the comic cover to cover. Ando shows him that Future Ando is dead. Why didn't Hiro take a few minutes to "read" the comic before then? There is no dialouge to slow you down!

And Hiro was still able to transport them out of Sylar's Mom's house with the broken sword, why does he still think that's the key to his power? Just get another sword.

A question for the R&F fans who live in New York. Can you just walk around the city with a sword on your back like you're Beatrix Kiddo? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatrix_Kiddo)

[MadMatt]

I got a kick out of that line as well.

So, Molly Walker. Her power is she can see where people are? That's it? I was thinking it was gonna be something huge. Definitely not as big as I expected.

Now I'm kinda confused. How did Sylar "break" Hiro's time freeze? Did Hiro just lose concentration from being so nervous or does Sylar have some sort of ability that can enable him to interrupt a power?

To me it looked like Hiro lost his concentration because he was so nervous and Sylar was fast enough to block him.

If you look closely, as Hiro is starting his downswing Sylar's Mom starts falling - he obviously lost control in his panic.

[Dan 'Hampton]

So its all going to come down to who can use the girl first. Can Claire's dad, nuke man, and the cop destroy her or can Mohinder use here to find Syler. "The Walker System" pretty clever. Not a bad show last night. But it's slipped compared to lost.

[MadMatt]

So its all going to come down to who can use the girl first. Can Claire's dad, nuke man, and the cop destroy her or can Mohinder use here to find Syler. "The Walker System" pretty clever. Not a bad show last night. But it's slipped compared to lost.

I wouldn't say it has slipped; the entire show was a setup, putting the players in their places.

The last 3 episodes are cosidered one, 3 part finale. This week sets up next week which sets up the blow-out final hour.

EDIT: And if Mohindar doesn't cure the girl, I'm thinking a transfusion from Claire might do the trick...

[Tenbatsuzen]

A question for the R&F fans who live in New York. Can you just walk around the city with a sword on your back like you're Beatrix Kiddo? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatrix_Kiddo)

Depends. Did Virginia Tech happen in the Heroes universe?

[King Imp]

So its all going to come down to who can use the girl first. Can Claire's dad, nuke man, and the cop destroy her or can Mohinder use here to find Syler. "The Walker System" pretty clever. Not a bad show last night. But it's slipped compared to lost.

Jesus Christ, I am so embarrassed right now! Not once did that ever occur to me that the Walker System is in fact Molly Walker. :wallbash:

[King Imp]

Oh, I knew I forgot something. I know she isn't high on most people's list, but what did everyone think of the Niki/Jessica transformation? It looks like they are seriously moving into the combining of the two the way Jessica listened to Niki, was concerned about D.L. and Micah, and was willing to fight back against Linderman.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Depends. Did Virginia Tech happen in the Heroes universe?

You can hide a gun more easily than a katana. And I'm sure there are school shootings in the Heroes universe.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Jesus Christ, I am so embarrassed right now! Not once did that ever occur to me that the Walker System is in fact Molly Walker. :wallbash:

Nice i can feel that i've finally contributed something to the site.

[drusilla]

Oh, I knew I forgot something. I know she isn't high on most people's list, but what did everyone think of the Niki/Jessica transformation? It looks like they are seriously moving into the combining of the two the way Jessica listened to Niki, was concerned about D.L. and Micah, and was willing to fight back against Linderman.

i tune out any part that has anything to do with either of them

[FMJeff]

It would be great if there was nothign they can do, the bomb goes off, everything happens as it did in the future...that despite thier best efforts they accomplished nothing.

[cougarjake13]

i have one question


why the fuck does bennett remeber claire, didnt the haitian mind wipe him completely ???

and how exactly is molly the only one that can stop sylar, how is a power that lets you know where someone is just by thinking about them gonna stop sylar ???

unless its used in tandem with other heroes that then go and kill sylar i dont see how she's the only one

[lleeder]

i have one question


why the fuck does bennett remeber claire, didnt the haitian mind wipe him completely ???

and how exactly is molly the only one that can stop sylar, how is a power that lets you know where someone is just by thinking about them gonna stop sylar ???

unless its used in tandem with other heroes that then go and kill sylar i dont see how she's the only one

He didn't mind wipe him completely just earased enough that he couldn't know where Claire ran off to and with whom.

I think no matter what power he has. She will know that it is truly him. So if he is impersonating Nathan she"ll know. And she can see his "weak" point so they can defeat him. When she gave Mohinder that star thingy it was some clue.

[cougarjake13]

He didn't mind wipe him completely just earased enough that he couldn't know where Claire ran off to and with whom.

I think no matter what power he has. She will know that it is truly him. So if he is impersonating Nathan she"ll know. And she can see his "weak" point so they can defeat him. When she gave Mohinder that star thingy it was some clue.

no they wiped him completely b/c remember the scene where he thought he was talking to his wife and it turned out being the shapeshifter lady ??? she had to remind him that he had a daughter or something

so maybe thats why he remembers... okay i answered my own question

[lleeder]

no they wiped him completely b/c remember the scene where he thought he was talking to his wife and it turned out being the shapeshifter lady ??? she had to remind him that he had a daughter or something

so maybe thats why he remembers... okay i answered my own question

No you have to think back to when his wife turned on the radio. She told him that he told her he was going to want to look for Claire and that she should not let him try. He knew he had a daughter and she had powers but he didn't know why she left or how he had helped her.

[cougarjake13]

new online novels

chapter 30

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novels_display.shtml?novel=30


31 and 32 explain how peter and niki got together in the 5 yrs from now episode so thats cool and we're introduced to a few new powers, a guy with the ability to shoot lightning and one chick who can run like the flash

chapter 31

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novels_display.shtml?novel=31

chapter 32

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novels_display.shtml?novel=32

[drusilla]

when are peter & claire going to have nasty incestuous sex? their relationship is really starting to give me the heebee jeebees.

[zathrus]

does anyone else want to know exactly what part peter's mother has in this? and what powers she has? there is something wierd with that one.

[spadanko]

does anyone else want to know exactly what part peter's mother has in this? and what powers she has? there is something wierd with that one.


from Ask Ausiello last week... Spoiler vision on:

Question: If you tell me that the following statement is right, then I'll hire another bodyguard to protect my Ausiello ice-cream scoop: Peter gets his premonition dreams in Heroes from his mother. Am I right?— Alexa
Ausiello: Damn, you're good. Er, I mean, no comment.

[cougarjake13]

from Ask Ausiello last week... Spoiler vision on:

Question: If you tell me that the following statement is right, then I'll hire another bodyguard to protect my Ausiello ice-cream scoop: Peter gets his premonition dreams in Heroes from his mother. Am I right?— Alexa
Ausiello: Damn, you're good. Er, I mean, no comment.

so he gets premonition dreams from mom and issac's ability to paint the future ?? damn he's goona know everything before it ever happens

[tbonesteak]

so he gets premonition dreams from mom and issac's ability to paint the future ?? damn he's goona know everything before it ever happens

I thought he got the premonition dreams ability from Mohinder.

[spadanko]

I thought he got the premonition dreams ability from Mohinder.


we don't know if Mohinder has any powers yet

[cougarjake13]

I thought he got the premonition dreams ability from Mohinder.

we don't know if Mohinder has any powers yet

yeh he just had that kid with the soccer ball come into his dreams i dont know if he had any powers

[MadMatt]

OK - who watched it?

Great episode, but there was almost too much to keep track of. Several "oh my god" moments - and many were unexpected.

IMO They really could have spread some of the storylines into other episodes, but next week looks like an action packed thriller. Strap in!

I need to hear some other thoughts before I post more, but things are obviously not turning out like the future we have seen...

[Tall_James]

I liked when Micah asked the shape changing chick how she could eat like that and not get fat and she replied something to the effect of "how do you know that I'm not?".

I'm now convinced that her current guise is a sham as well and she is actually an enormous pudding of a woman who shape changes into a hottie.

[King Imp]

Damn, they were dropping like flies tonight. Great setup for the finale. I just hope Round 3 of the Peter-Sylar standoff actually amounts to something worthwhile. Of course, I have the feeling just as they are about to go at it, Peter loses control and blows.

Now for the questions.

1) What ability does Sylar have that makes him disappear the way he can? We've seen him do that when Parkman cornered him after he tried to get Molly and now again tonight.

2) Is D.L. actually dead and if so that brings up another question. If the future we saw a couple of episodes ago is on course to take place, then where did Sylar get his ability from?

Now for the two problems I had with tonight's show.

1) Give me a break on Hiro being able to learn that much in one night from his father. Totally unbelievable.

2) Peter saying he doesn't think he can take Sylar really annoyed me. Hello, you can do as much as he can, even more. Just don't turn around like an idiot when glass shards are poised to fly at you.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Damn, they were dropping like flies tonight. Great setup for the finale. I just hope Round 3 of the Peter-Sylar standoff actually amounts to something worthwhile. Of course, I have the feeling just as they are about to go at it, Peter loses control and blows.

Now for the questions.

1) What ability does Sylar have that makes him disappear the way he can? We've seen him do that when Parkman cornered him after he tried to get Molly and now again tonight.

2) Is D.L. actually dead and if so that brings up another question. If the future we saw a couple of episodes ago is on course to take place, then where did Sylar get his ability from?

Now for the two problems I had with tonight's show.

1) Give me a break on Hiro being able to learn that much in one night from his father. Totally unbelievable.

2) Peter saying he doesn't think he can take Sylar really annoyed me. Hello, you can do as much as he can, even more. Just don't turn around like an idiot when glass shards are poised to fly at you.

You forget that Hiro has the ability to slow down and manipulate time-space. Who is to say that time wasn't slowed in that "blue room" that he and his father were in? Remember, that "blue hue" was seen when Future Hiro slowed down time in the subway to meet with peter.

Part of Peter's character set is being idealistic with massive issues of self-doubt.

[Dan 'Hampton]

2) Is D.L. actually dead and if so that brings up another question. If the future we saw a couple of episodes ago is on course to take place, then where did Sylar get his ability from?



DL had Lindermanns brain in his hand. My guess is being in contact with Lindermann will heal him.

[spadanko]

1) What ability does Sylar have that makes him disappear the way he can? We've seen him do that when Parkman cornered him after he tried to get Molly and now again tonight.



Guessing he killed the Invisible Man

[Bill From Yorktown]

was thinking/wondering about the disappearing act too.

btw

BOOM

[MadMatt]

Damn, they were dropping like flies tonight. Great setup for the finale. I just hope Round 3 of the Peter-Sylar standoff actually amounts to something worthwhile. Of course, I have the feeling just as they are about to go at it, Peter loses control and blows.

Now for the questions.

1) What ability does Sylar have that makes him disappear the way he can? We've seen him do that when Parkman cornered him after he tried to get Molly and now again tonight.

2) Is D.L. actually dead and if so that brings up another question. If the future we saw a couple of episodes ago is on course to take place, then where did Sylar get his ability from?

Now for the two problems I had with tonight's show.

1) Give me a break on Hiro being able to learn that much in one night from his father. Totally unbelievable.

2) Peter saying he doesn't think he can take Sylar really annoyed me. Hello, you can do as much as he can, even more. Just don't turn around like an idiot when glass shards are poised to fly at you.

1)a - I don't think Sylar turns invisible, but he moves really quickly in short bursts or has some sort of limited teleportation. He didn't kill the "Invisible Man" because he exibited the power before Peter met and learned from IM. at least he didn't kill THE invisible man that was Peter's mentor.

2)a - It is obvcious that things have already radically changed from the future we saw a couple of episodes ago. Big example - Sylar didn't have Ted's power in the future but he does now.

1)b - I agree with whoever said there was some sort of "time dialation" or some other affect going on. Hiro was obviously doing something special with his Dad. Whether it was an aspect of Hiro's power or his Father's, I don't know.

2)b - Peter has an inferiority complex (I think Eli mentioned it). He doesn't think he can beat Sylar so he can't. It's kind of like Neo fighting Smith in the Matrix - Neo isn't able to beat Smith until he fully realizes he is "The One." Peter is going to have to go through the same kind of realization - presumably next week.

[King Imp]

You forget that Hiro has the ability to slow down and manipulate time-space. Who is to say that time wasn't slowed in that "blue room" that he and his father were in? Remember, that "blue hue" was seen when Future Hiro slowed down time in the subway to meet with peter.

You know, the "blue room" never even registered with me while watching that scene. Good point.

[Reynolds]

I hate any show with time travel because it never makes any sense. Can Hiro go back in time, as well as ahead? Any time something fucks up, why can't he just go back and fix it? So stupid.

[lleeder]

2)a - It is obvcious that things have already radically changed from the future we saw a couple of episodes ago. Big example - Sylar didn't have Ted's power in the future but he does now.


.

I disagree I think he had Ted's power in th future. When powers up his hands to fight Peter in the future that is Ted's power he is using.

Does anyone think that Linderman is alive. If he has been buying Isaccs art he knows alot more of the future than he is letting on.

[MadMatt]

I hate any show with time travel because it never makes any sense. Can Hiro go back in time, as well as ahead? Any time something fucks up, why can't he just go back and fix it? So stupid.

He can go back in time, but I don't know if it will ultimately do any good. Similar circumstances may still occur that replicate the same general effect.

It's like the begining of "The Time Machine" (the new one in 2002) - Alexander Hartdegen was able to go back in time and interact, but he couldn't keep the core events from happening. Hartdegen tried to save his fiance's life, but no matter what he did she was still killed - it might have been a runaway carriage instead of a mugger, but she still died.

I think this may be the same sort of situation - the Heroes may not be able to keep the explosion from happening, but they may be able to change some of the particulars around it.

[In the Time Machine, Hartdegen realized he couldn't save his fiance so he "settled" for saying goodbye]

[lleeder]

He can go back in time, but I don't know if it will ultimately do any good. Similar circumstances may still occur that replicate the same general effect.

It's like the begining of "The Time Machine" (the new one in 2002) - Alexander Hartdegen was able to go back in time and interact, but he couldn't keep the core events from happening. Hartdegen tried to save his fiance's life, but no matter what he did she was still killed - it might have been a runaway carriage instead of a mugger, but she still died.

I think this may be the same sort of situation - the Heroes may not be able to keep the explosion from happening, but they may be able to change some of the particulars around it.

[In the Time Machine, Hartdegen realized he couldn't save his fiance so he "settled" for saying goodbye]

I totally agree with you. Hiro tried to save that girl from the diner but she died anyway. Kind of a similar thing.

[MadMatt]

I disagree I think he had Ted's power in th future. When powers up his hands to fight Peter in the future that is Ted's power he is using.

Does anyone think that Linderman is alive. If he has been buying Isaccs art he knows alot more of the future than he is letting on.

No, if you look he is using the ICE power that he has already demonstrated. Sylar's hands are Blue while Peter's are Orange. It was a classic Fire vs. Ice battle (somewhat symbolic as well).

Of course you are right, I can't PROVE Sylar didn't have Ted's power. But in terms of the battle, there was no reason for Sylar to "fight fire with fire" as it were. It makes more sense that he would use Ice and hope to squelch Peter's Fire advantage.

[MadMatt]

I totally agree with you. Hiro tried to save that girl from the diner but she died anyway. Kind of a similar thing.

Exactly! That's an even better, more gremane example than mine.

[lleeder]

No, if you look he is using the ICE power that he has already demonstrated. Sylar's hands are Blue while Peter's are Orange. It was a classic Fire vs. Ice battle (somewhat symbolic as well).

Of course you are right, I can't PROVE Sylar didn't have Ted's power. But in terms of the battle, there was no reason for Sylar to "fight fire with fire" as it were. It makes more sense that he would use Ice and hope to squelch Peter's Fire advantage.

I just thoughtit was like a different aura type thing kinda like a light saber color. Where the fuck did he get the ice power from. I guess the prequel will reveal that.

[MadMatt]

I just thoughtit was like a different aura type thing kinda like a light saber color. Where the fuck did he get the ice power from. I guess the prequel will reveal that.

Yeah, that's what I figure too. I don't know when he got it, but there have been several instances of him using it, although most of them are recent: The "big fight" 5 years in the future, creating a snow globe effect in his mom's living room, freezing and breaking Hiro's sword, and realy early when Hiro first jumped forward in time, Isaac was sitting up and frozen when Hiro found him.

[cougarjake13]

2) Is D.L. actually dead and if so that brings up another question. If the future we saw a couple of episodes ago is on course to take place, then where did Sylar get his ability from?




in the future episdoe we saw a few weeks ago dl and micah died with the bomb according to niki/jessica

maybe sylar got to him before the explosion

[MadMatt]

in the future episdoe we saw a few weeks ago dl and micah died with the bomb according to niki/jessica

maybe sylar got to him before the explosion

No, Hiro mentioned them as people he brought to Bennett to be "relocated." I think he also mentioned Molly Walker. They were also heroes that Bennett turned into Parkman because they were "dangerous" - which meant "President Sylar" would no where they were and could steal their power.

[cougarjake13]

No, Hiro mentioned them as people he brought to Bennett to be "relocated." I think he also mentioned Molly Walker. They were also heroes that Bennett turned into Parkman because they were "dangerous" - which meant "President Sylar" would no where they were and could steal their power.

i coulda sworn niki said that micah and dl were dead in the future epsidoe

molly walker was also dead in that future

[tbonesteak]

He can go back in time, but I don't know if it will ultimately do any good. Similar circumstances may still occur that replicate the same general effect.

It's like the begining of "The Time Machine" (the new one in 2002) - Alexander Hartdegen was able to go back in time and interact, but he couldn't keep the core events from happening. Hartdegen tried to save his fiance's life, but no matter what he did she was still killed - it might have been a runaway carriage instead of a mugger, but she still died.

I think this may be the same sort of situation - the Heroes may not be able to keep the explosion from happening, but they may be able to change some of the particulars around it.

[In the Time Machine, Hartdegen realized he couldn't save his fiance so he "settled" for saying goodbye]

I think it would more like Bill and Ted's where he would think of something in the present and it would suddenly appear because he went back and placed it there from the future. That way, he could have a garbage can drop on Sylar's head at just the right moment...

[MadMatt]

i coulda sworn niki said that micah and dl were dead in the future epsidoe

molly walker was also dead in that future

Yeah, they were dead. But it was because Sylar killed them.

Niki probably thought they were killed by the explosion, but Bennett had put them into hiding. But since he had arrangements to "out" dangerous mutants, Sylar was able to find them, kill them, and take their powers.

[cougarjake13]

new novel is up



http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/index.shtml?novel=33

[cougarjake13]

wow totally didnt see that ending coming at all

and whats the deal with the eclipses????

[Dan 'Hampton]

The end of "volume 1" disapointing.
The tease for next season looked interesting.
Petrelli's mom is the person who the girl can't see. Thats my guess.

[IMSlacker]

wow totally didnt see that ending coming at all

Questions:

Why did Peter need Nate to help him fly out of there? Shouldn't he have been able to just fly away on his own?

So, nobody noticed Syler crawling into the manhole? You'd think someone would notice and try to stop him.

[MadMatt]

I was hoping for so much, it would have been hard for the episode to deliver. It wasn't bad, but it should have been 90-120min. There was just too much to wrap up in one episode.

Peter could have, and should have, done more. He should have flown himself out.

[Servo]

I thought the same thing about Peter needing Nathan to fly out of there... but did he ever actually get the ability to fly? I'm not sure he did.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Peter couldn't fly because he was too focused on going supernova that he couldn't access his other powers.

Here's the problem though. An airburst nuclear weapon is 100x more deadly than one that explodes on the ground!!!!!

[King Imp]

Personally, I liked the heroes joining together to fight Sylar at the end, but I was expecting and hoping for a lot more with the Peter-Sylar showdown. Their 1st fight at Claire's school was much better than that.

[MadMatt]

Peter couldn't fly because he was too focused on going supernova that he couldn't access his other powers.

Here's the problem though. An airburst nuclear weapon is 100x more deadly than one that explodes on the ground!!!!!

I was thinking that too (air explosion), but those are also gagued to have the max radius hit the ground. High enough up and you aren't burning anything but air and birds.

Good point about not being able to fly due to concentration/overload. Peter already had trouble flying anyway, so trying to do it then must have been tough.

[drusilla]

Good point about not being able to fly due to concentration/overload. Peter already had trouble flying anyway, so trying to do it then must have been tough.


i didn't think of that either. the fight at the end was such a let down. really bad. i expected so much more since every episode until now has had us all in awe. even with stupid niki stepping in for like a second. that fight was totally weak. peter is such a puss.

btw when NOAH killed thompson last episode, that was fucking awesome.

i was thinking that it was peter's mom who molly is afraid of. she can be kind of scary. but molly said "him" which cancelled that out.

[legroommusic]

Does future hiro cease to exist? Ando still lives and ny is safe.

[cougarjake13]

Questions:

Why did Peter need Nate to help him fly out of there? Shouldn't he have been able to just fly away on his own?

So, nobody noticed Syler crawling into the manhole? You'd think someone would notice and try to stop him.

i thought the same thing ... fucking lame to have nathan fly him outta there when he could just do it, they'll prob just say something like he was so messed up at that point he had no control over his powers and couldnt do it


i noticed that sylar crawled down the man hole, at least thats what they make you believe anyway, nice touch with the cockroach crawling out of the manhole, kinda like a symbol that sylar cant be killed easily

[cougarjake13]

Does future hiro cease to exist? Ando still lives and ny is safe.

the one we saw come back to peter on the train and in the 5 yrs into the future episdoe ???


i'd have to say yes he's gone b/c peter said the main reason he became that way was losing ando

ando stills around so unless he dies later on and another bomb goes off that whole timeline is gone now

i was also gonna say syalr cant be nathan and the prez now b/c he's dead but he still can, he just has to find that morphing chick , steal her power and then pretend he's nathan and no one would be the wiser, he can just say that he let peter go up in the air and busted like a mofo outta there and survived the blast

[Reynolds]

This show is so stupid, it doesn't even make any sense. I'll keep watching anyway because I like anything sci-fi with a big budget

[cupcakelove]

So is the show over now? That ending was a little anti-climatic, Sylar decides to die so Peter can be the villain? That doesn't make any sense to me. And why didn't Peter just fly away, or why didn't Nathan just shoot Peter, that would have been a lot easier and less complicated. Both Hiro and Peter's show down with Sylar was so disappointing.

[IMSlacker]

i thought the same thing ... fucking lame to have nathan fly him outta there when he could just do it, they'll prob just say something like he was so messed up at that point he had no control over his powers and couldnt do it

Ok, I guess I buy the "Peter couldn't control is powers, so he couldn't fly out of there on his own" explanation. But how was Nate flying him out of there and then exploding better than Claire shooting him and not exploding?


i noticed that sylar crawled down the man hole, at least thats what they make you believe anyway, nice touch with the cockroach crawling out of the manhole, kinda like a symbol that sylar cant be killed easily

I know we all noticed that Syler crawled down the man hole. I don't understand how none of the characters on the show noticed and tried to stop him, or at least said "hey, where the hell did Syler go?".

[Tenbatsuzen]

BTW, it would appear that the person that Molly is really afraid of - worse than Boogeyman/Syler - who can "see you when you see him" - would have to be Shaft. Peter's dream/flashback, remember?

[BeerBandit]

Such a disappointment. The ending was anti-climactic, and there was no suspense. The ideas are there but it's just not presented well. This show always looks so much better in the previews than what's actually delivered. After the episode, I was ready to give up and not come back next season...until the preview of Volume 2.

[Doctor Manhattan]

i noticed that sylar crawled down the man hole, at least thats what they make you believe anyway, nice touch with the cockroach crawling out of the manhole, kinda like a symbol that sylar cant be killed easily

So, Sylar turned himself into a cockroach? When did he get that power (The shape shifting girl is still alive)

Or did the cockroach just represented that fact that Sylar can't be killed that easily (Single stab with sword)

[SinA]

Bandit, you should be ready to give up now. The only people in the world that would actually watch a show where Hiro lives in 16th C. Japan for more than five minutes are me and you. Hiro is gonna zap back to today before the first commercial.

Still, I really liked the whole volume 1. In retropsect, I'm partially just glad that it didn't get dragged out like Lost. Tying it all up made it better than it really was.

Also I pretty much saw the ending coming from the beginning. Peter always depended on his brother, and they've been making his brother out to be a bad guy recently. They weren't gonna let him go out bad. Fly up to the stratoshpere and boom, everyone is ok.

And Malcom McDowell was pretty awesome. Linderman could have saved all the people that got shot at the end, but...

On a side note, it was a good integration of mixed-media. Combining TV with graphic novels is pretty basic, but no one else is doing much of that (at least not on the networks).

[MadMatt]

BTW, it would appear that the person that Molly is really afraid of - worse than Boogeyman/Syler - who can "see you when you see him" - would have to be Shaft. Peter's dream/flashback, remember?

I don't think so, "Shaft" is legitimately dead. Plus, he seemed like a good guy the whole time. He seemed to be guiding Peter and build him up rather than turn him into a weapon.

I'm betting the new "big bad" is Mrs. Petrelli. It would be easy enough for Molly to mistake the gender of a disembodied feeling when she is scared. Unless it is somebody we haven't seen yet, Mrs. P is easily the coldest, most heartless character on the show.

[BeerBandit]

Bandit, you should be ready to give up now. The only people in the world that would actually watch a show where Hiro lives in 16th C. Japan for more than five minutes are me and you. Hiro is gonna zap back to today before the first commercial.

Still, I really liked the whole volume 1. In retropsect, I'm partially just glad that it didn't get dragged out like Lost. Tying it all up made it better than it really was.

Also I pretty much saw the ending coming from the beginning. Peter always depended on his brother, and they've been making his brother out to be a bad guy recently. They weren't gonna let him go out bad. Fly up to the stratoshpere and boom, everyone is ok.

And Malcom McDowell was pretty awesome. Linderman could have saved all the people that got shot at the end, but...

On a side note, it was a good integration of mixed-media. Combining TV with graphic novels is pretty basic, but no one else is doing much of that (at least not on the networks).

I agree, wrapping it all up was the right idea, I just didn't like how they did it. It felt very rushed, and rife with inconsistencies. I hope not. They've gotta do a lot more than 5 minutes in feudal Japan if they wanna keep me. There's such an opportunity there.
I don't want to compare it to Lost because each should stand alone, but the I don't think the Heroes folks tell the story as well as the Lost crew. Lost is doing what they do because they know the show has a short run. If done correctly, Heroes could go on for a while, but they'll lose a lot of us if they don't tighten up a bit. Comic book geeks are sticklers for continuity, originality, and presentation, and that episode was showed a big dropoff to me. I'll be back next season, but for how long...?

[King Imp]

Okay, problems I had with last night. They aren't big, but they make no sense to me.

1) Not a single person noticed Sylar either dragging himself away or being dragged into a manhole? Even if they were preoccupied watching Peter blow up, wouldn't someone eventually see Sylar was gone and say something? Instead Mr. Bennett and Claire are talking about where they are gonna live.

2) They are in New York City, yet there wasn't a single person to be found on those streets. Peter runs out of the parking garage, no one around. Claire jumps out the window, no one around. Everyone is gathered in the square for the showdown, no one is around.

3) Since it's obvious that Candice doesn't look like what we have seen, wouldn't it stand to reason that if she was knocked unconscious that she would go back to her original form and not the illusion she has created?

[angrymissy]

2) They are in New York City, yet there wasn't a single person to be found on those streets. Peter runs out of the parking garage, no one around. Claire jumps out the window, no one around. Everyone is gathered in the square for the showdown, no one is around.


That really bothered me as well. When Peter ran out of the garage, it actually looked like a side street that is really close to Grand Central (I think I even saw Grand Central in the background). AND NO ONE IS THERE? No one finds him passed out until Mr. Bennett gets there? That was aggravating me.

[ANC]

3) Since it's obvious that Candice doesn't look like what we have seen, wouldn't it stand to reason that if she was knocked unconscious that she would go back to her original form and not the illusion she has created?

I was all excited to see the mess that is her true form...

[weekapaugjz]

i just finished watching it online cause i didn't have to chance to see it last night. VERY disappointed with it. i was really looking forward to the battle between peter and sylar and it pretty much turned out to be nothing. i thought it was going to be an all out type of war between all the heroes and sylar when they were all outside and it turned out to be shit. i just hope in next season they do not carry over the nikki/jessica story line, it is awful.

[Captain Awesome]

I was hoping that last night would be the episode where Peter finally stops being such a bitch and grows a spine, but he was still just a whiney bitch right till the end.

[Dan G]

So, Sylar turned himself into a cockroach? When did he get that power (The shape shifting girl is still alive)

Or did the cockroach just represented that fact that Sylar can't be killed that easily (Single stab with sword)

If you remember, when PrimaTech first held Sylar captive, he was laying on the ground in his holding cell and a cockroach crawled by him.
That cockroach must symbolize something.

[drusilla]

I was all excited to see the mess that is her true form...



3) Since it's obvious that Candice doesn't look like what we have seen, wouldn't it stand to reason that if she was knocked unconscious that she would go back to her original form and not the illusion she has created?

i was thinking the same thing, kind of annoyed that they didn't follow through with that.

[MadMatt]

3) Since it's obvious that Candice doesn't look like what we have seen, wouldn't it stand to reason that if she was knocked unconscious that she would go back to her original form and not the illusion she has created?

I was all excited to see the mess that is her true form...

i was thinking the same thing, kind of annoyed that they didn't follow through with that.

I was SOOOOO pissed about that! My chick and I both said "Oooohhh, we get to see what she really looks like!"

Nothing! WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Talk about dropping a continuity point.

[Aggie]

If you remember, when PrimaTech first held Sylar captive, he was laying on the ground in his holding cell and a cockroach crawled by him.
That cockroach must symbolize something.

This may sound stupid but I think it's more than a symbol. I think whoever Molly is so frightened of can take the FORM of the cockroach.

I think the roach is relying on/hoping that Sylar will carry out its plans and realizes his potential. But everytime he is 'incapacitated' the roach shows up and he gets out of his jam. Whether Sylar knows it or not, I think they are connected and the roach is somehow helping him.

That's my theory anyway. Let's see if they take the roach theme into Volume 2.

I was also disappointed in general but will definitely keep watching.

[Aggie]

I was SOOOOO pissed about that! My chick and I both said "Oooohhh, we get to see what she really looks like!"

Nothing! WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Talk about dropping a continuity point.

I'm right there with all of you. The first thing I thought was 'how fat is she gonna be?' and nothing.

If just the people on this board noticed that, how can the writers/actors, no one say a thing!?

Oh well, I would have willingly overlooked that if the showdown had been better. Letting Sylar live really didn't 'wrap up' anything.

[IMSlacker]

I was SOOOOO pissed about that! My chick and I both said "Oooohhh, we get to see what she really looks like!"

Nothing! WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Talk about dropping a continuity point.

I'm pretty sure she looks like this:

http://f.screensavers.com/migration/wp/x-men_mystique_215.gif

[MadMatt]

This may sound stupid but I think it's more than a symbol. I think whoever Molly is so frightened of can take the FORM of the cockroach.

I think the roach is relying on/hoping that Sylar will carry out its plans and realizes his potential. But everytime he is 'incapacitated' the roach shows up and he gets out of his jam. Whether Sylar knows it or not, I think they are connected and the roach is somehow helping him.

That's my theory anyway. Let's see if they take the roach theme into Volume 2.

I was also disappointed in general but will definitely keep watching.

I'm right there with all of you. The first thing I thought was 'how fat is she gonna be?' and nothing.

If just the people on this board noticed that, how can the writers/actors, no one say a thing!?

Oh well, I would have willingly overlooked that if the showdown had been better. Letting Sylar live really didn't 'wrap up' anything.

Excellent Comment - I hadn't thought that the Cockraoch might be tied to the new "big bad" but that is a NICE catch. You may be on to something.

I think the writers/producers are gonna catch hell for the finale episode. The 2 preceding episodes were better than the final one, which was totally anti-climatic. No big brawl, no huge realization, no major turnover. It even looks like all the characters might survive (except Nathan, and I don't count that out either).

[spadanko]

A little Scoop.. Spoiler vision on

Peter and Nathan are both back next season

[MadMatt]

A little Scoop.. Spoiler vision on

Peter and Nathan are both back next season

F-in knew it.

Where did you get the info?

[spadanko]

F-in knew it.

Where did you get the info?


I work for TV Guide... just found out from our spoiler guy

[lleeder]

Excellent Comment - I hadn't thought that the Cockraoch might be tied to the new "big bad" but that is a NICE catch. You may be on to something.

I think the writers/producers are gonna catch hell for the finale episode. The 2 preceding episodes were better than the final one, which was totally anti-climatic. No big brawl, no huge realization, no major turnover. It even looks like all the characters might survive (except Nathan, and I don't count that out either).

I hate to disappoint but the cockroach was also in the cell with Parkman. Its not exclusive to Sylar.

If Peter can heal how can he be shot in the back of the head? Can Claire be shot in the back of the head and die too?

If being powerful is not exclusive to Jessica , then how are Niki and Jessica one person? Is one powerful and the others power is like mirror shadow person? Cause Niki managed to use Jessica's strength for the first time last night.

I think the mother is the new evil one.

If Sylar can't heal won't it be hard for him to recover from a sword going through his chest? Seems like a major injury unless Linderman is alive to fix it.

Was that Hiro's father alone at the one end of the battlefield?

[MadMatt]

I work for TV Guide... just found out from our spoiler guy

Righteous - I forgot you were an "insider"

Any more dirt you can share? Not too much, but a little more...

[IMSlacker]

If Peter can heal how can he be shot in the back of the head? Can Claire be shot in the back of the head and die too?

When Peter had a shard of glass stuck in his head he was "dead" until Claire pulled it out, and when Claire had the tree branch stuck in her head, she was "dead" until the coroner pulled it out. I guess a bullet to the back of the head would have the same effect.

[spadanko]

Righteous - I forgot you were an "insider"

Any more dirt you can share? Not too much, but a little more...


ok, a little something:

Apparently we already have met the person that Molly is afraid of. That is what was initially planned for it to be this person.. it could have changed though

[drusilla]

Was that Hiro's father alone at the one end of the battlefield?


i was thinking that tooo! like hiro must somehow be related to kensei for this whole thing to be a part of his destiny.

there was one other continuity issue that had to do with nathan that my boyfriend pointed out: when hrg & the haitian are going after nathan in an earlier episode (they showed the clip last night), they kind of corner nathan so he just flew away. weren't all powers blocked by the haitian?

oh and linderman being dead & the whole niki/jessica/dl/micah clan being alive - super fucking annoying & disappointing.

[lleeder]

When Peter had a shard of glass stuck in his head he was "dead" until Claire pulled it out, and when Claire had the tree branch stuck in her head, she was "dead" until the coroner pulled it out. I guess a bullet to the back of the head would have the same effect.

Damn the branch happened so long ago I forgot it. That makes not shooting Peter even more stupid. They could have shot him pausing him in effect and then take out the bullet later on bringing him back to life.

[cougarjake13]

So, Sylar turned himself into a cockroach? When did he get that power (The shape shifting girl is still alive)

Or did the cockroach just represented that fact that Sylar can't be killed that easily (Single stab with sword)

as they panned from above you saw a blood trail going to the sewer with the sewer lid removed, as they panned to street level a cockroach crawls out of the sewer

just a weird observation i have, dont know if it meant anything

[cougarjake13]

Excellent Comment - I hadn't thought that the Cockraoch might be tied to the new "big bad" but that is a NICE catch. You may be on to something.

I think the writers/producers are gonna catch hell for the finale episode. The 2 preceding episodes were better than the final one, which was totally anti-climatic. No big brawl, no huge realization, no major turnover. It even looks like all the characters might survive (except Nathan, and I don't count that out either).


they can very easily say that he brought peter up there and right as peter was gonna explode nathan let him go and flew the fuck outta there, we.ve all seen how fast he can fly so its possible

[cougarjake13]

i was thinking that tooo! like hiro must somehow be related to kensei for this whole thing to be a part of his destiny.

there was one other continuity issue that had to do with nathan that my boyfriend pointed out: when hrg & the haitian are going after nathan in an earlier episode (they showed the clip last night), they kind of corner nathan so he just flew away. weren't all powers blocked by the haitian?

oh and linderman being dead & the whole niki/jessica/dl/micah clan being alive - super fucking annoying & disappointing.

if i remember correctly the haitian only had the blocking powers power in the 5 yrs into the future episode, he hasnt shown it in any other episode

aww shit he blocked parkman in other episodes.. fuck there goes my point

[cougarjake13]

Damn the branch happened so long ago I forgot it. That makes not shooting Peter even more stupid. They could have shot him pausing him in effect and then take out the bullet later on bringing him back to life.

i was thinking they could just have hiro pause time and then peter doesnt blow up and then have hiro move peter and himself to another less populated place and if he then blows up no biggie

[lleeder]

What I don't understand is how Peter became a hero. The old black guy said that Peter not Nathan was the leader. Then he told Peter he knew what he had to do. What did he do? He let Hiro be smashed into a wall that he had to time jump out of. He let Parkman get shot. He couldn't control his powers, then he let Sylar get away. Nathan saved everyone by flying away with Peter. Peter was a total letdown.

[cougarjake13]

What I don't understand is how Peter became a hero. The old black guy said that Peter not Nathan was the leader. Then he told Peter he knew what he had to do. What did he do? He let Hiro be smashed into a wall that he had to time jump out of. He let Parkman get shot. He couldn't control his powers, then he let Sylar get away. Nathan saved everyone by flying away with Peter. Peter was a total letdown.

well all i can think of is he meant that he had to find sylar and make sure sylar didnt use ted's power to be the bomb, allowing hiro to find them and kill sylar


also he said something about peter having love and compassion and i thought that once he saw claire come running that he would feel that love and compassion emotion and calm down and not explode but it didnt happen

[lleeder]

well all i can think of is he meant that he had to find sylar and make sure sylar didnt use ted's power to be the bomb, allowing hiro to find them and kill sylar


also he said something about peter having love and compassion and i thought that once he saw claire come running that he would feel that love and compassion emotion and calm down and not explode but it didnt happen

Maybe Peter's love for Nathan and his love for Claire made Nathan step up and realize that he loved Claire and Peter. Either way I was expecting to feel adrenaline and shock at the end and felt it whimpered out. Lucy was the only one I felt anything for when she felt bad for Parkman.

[BYOBKenobi]

I don't even know what to think of that showdown. Did anyone else notice that they were showing extremely short sections of the show and running quick commercial breaks? It really felt like the break once sylar and peter meet came right on the heels of the last commmercial break.

For the showdown between Sylar (haver of many powers) against Peter (has any power he's walked past) to even involve nikki was a dissapointment. Also, once Nikki knocks down Sylar, Peter should have had her super strength and the two of them should have just shit stomped him into oblivion. I guess it has to be done for the sake of the plot, but the "I'm sure he's dead now... oh wait... he's gone" stuff is just silly.

It's such a shame this show is on network TV. I know they get away with a lot, but it just feels like the show could be so much more if they had the money/time/backing to make it REALLY cool. For instance, when Sylar used Isaac's power they showed a bunch of flashing images in his eyes and then showed how the painting came together in his mind. They didn't do ANYTHING like that in the beginning... I'm sure they didn't have the budget.

When Peter lost control of his nuke power does that mean he can't use any of his other powers? I know he can fly... why didn't he just fly away on his own?

[cougarjake13]

next novel is up

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/index.shtml?novel=34

[spadanko]

From TVguide.com today:

You've been wondering, we've been wondering, and you have to figure that Niki, Claire, HRG/Noah, Matt, et al, were wondering, too. At the conclusion of the Kirby Plaza skirmish on Heroes' first-season finale, why didn't Peter just fly his explosive self up, up and away, instead of making Nathan take one for the team, as well? Presented by TV Guide with that burning question, series creator Tim Kring pauses before saying, "You know, theoretically you're not supposed to be thinking about that."

When assured that viewers are, Kring confirms that — as many have theorized — radioactive Peter's other powers were "incapacitated" at that pivotal moment, and "somewhere in there is the explanation" for having Nathan grab his bro and do the "flying man!" thing. "But the real explanation is that we wanted Nathan to show up and [save the day]!"

"Yes, I will admit that there’s a very tiny window of logic there," Kring continues with a laugh. "But what can I say? It's requires the proverbial suspension of disbelief." Which, when airing opposite 24, a season finale is certainly allowed. — Matt Webb Mitovich, with additional reporting by Michael Logan

[EliSnow]

When Peter lost control of his nuke power does that mean he can't use any of his other powers? I know he can fly... why didn't he just fly away on his own?


When assured that viewers are, Kring confirms that — as many have theorized — radioactive Peter's other powers were "incapacitated" at that pivotal moment, and "somewhere in there is the explanation" for having Nathan grab his bro and do the "flying man!" thing. "But the real explanation is that we wanted Nathan to show up and [save the day]!"

I think I have an explanation. Peter clearly needed to concentrate on controlling the nuke powers. As shown earlier in the ep, he was able to control them by concentrating etc.

Now given that, they could have easily said that Peter didn't want to try and use the other powers, because all of his concentration was going towards his attempt to control the nuke powers. The best way to have done that was to have Claire say, "Peter can't you just fly away, with Dad's power," and then have Peter explain why not.

[JustJon]

What I don't understand is how Peter became a hero. The old black guy said that Peter not Nathan was the leader. Then he told Peter he knew what he had to do. What did he do? He let Hiro be smashed into a wall that he had to time jump out of. He let Parkman get shot. He couldn't control his powers, then he let Sylar get away. Nathan saved everyone by flying away with Peter. Peter was a total letdown.

The black guy was right and he was wrong. He said Love would save the day, but bet on Peter, when the mother was betting on Nathan. He was right about the love part, but it was Nathan who stepped up when he had to to save the day. Of course Peter will probably survive with his healing powers and possibly become a leader.

[MadMatt]

if i remember correctly the haitian only had the blocking powers power in the 5 yrs into the future episode, he hasnt shown it in any other episode

aww shit he blocked parkman in other episodes.. fuck there goes my point

It could also be that since the Hatian was secretly working for Mrs. Petrelli (which we found out later) he did not block Nathan's flying power intentionally so he could get away.

[MadMatt]

The black guy was right and he was wrong. He said Love would save the day, but bet on Peter, when the mother was betting on Nathan. He was right about the love part, but it was Nathan who stepped up when he had to to save the day. Of course Peter will probably survive with his healing powers and possibly become a leader.

I also see it as Peter's faith and love for his brother winning out in the end. Peter alsways believed in Nathan and tried to convince Claire of the same thing. Ultimately that was what brought Nathan around.

[BeerBandit]

From TVguide.com today:

You've been wondering, we've been wondering, and you have to figure that Niki, Claire, HRG/Noah, Matt, et al, were wondering, too. At the conclusion of the Kirby Plaza skirmish on Heroes' first-season finale, why didn't Peter just fly his explosive self up, up and away, instead of making Nathan take one for the team, as well? Presented by TV Guide with that burning question, series creator Tim Kring pauses before saying, "You know, theoretically you're not supposed to be thinking about that."

When assured that viewers are, Kring confirms that — as many have theorized — radioactive Peter's other powers were "incapacitated" at that pivotal moment, and "somewhere in there is the explanation" for having Nathan grab his bro and do the "flying man!" thing. "But the real explanation is that we wanted Nathan to show up and [save the day]!"

"Yes, I will admit that there’s a very tiny window of logic there," Kring continues with a laugh. "But what can I say? It's requires the proverbial suspension of disbelief." Which, when airing opposite 24, a season finale is certainly allowed. — Matt Webb Mitovich, with additional reporting by Michael Logan

Wow! Wrong answer. "You're not supposed to be thinking about that."? "we wanted Nathan to show up and [save the day]!"?

Translation: "We haven't really thought this through at all. If you thought this season was inconsitent and riddled with incontinuties, wait until next season."

That may have just sealed the deal. I'm out for next season.

[EliSnow]

Wow! Wrong answer. "You're not supposed to be thinking about that."? "we wanted Nathan to show up and [save the day]!"?

Translation: "We haven't really thought this through at all. If you thought this season was inconsitent and riddled with incontinuties, wait until next season."

That may have just sealed the deal. I'm out for next season.

Do you really think that similar type of thinking doesn't happen with virtually every sci-fi show? The goal is to tell a good story, with not too many plot holes inconsistencies, and every now and then, the storytellers basically accept making one in order to tell the story they want to. That doesn't meant that they are going to do it all the time. Hell, it why Marvel invented the "No Prize" prize.

As a sci fi fan for years, I've learned to accept that you're going to have some inconsistenices with any of this type of show. The question is how much you can put up with for the sake of a good story.

[JustJon]

But who is worse than the Boogey Man?

[drusilla]

It could also be that since the Hatian was secretly working for Mrs. Petrelli (which we found out later) he did not block Nathan's flying power intentionally so he could get away.


that is a good point. i didn't put those two together back then though, so i guess it does make sense now.

[Doctor Manhattan]

From TVguide.com today:

...Presented by TV Guide with that burning question, series creator Tim Kring pauses before saying, "You know, theoretically you're not supposed to be thinking about that."...

Wow! Wrong answer....That may have just sealed the deal. I'm out for next season.

I may be with you. That is one of the dumbest things I have heard a TV Show runner/writer say. Did he not think the audience would consider that? Was he too lazy to have something to explain why Peter didn't fly? He could simply have mentioned to Claire "You'll need to kill me because I may not be able to fly"

Sure a Sci-Fi show's premise doesn't always need to be air tight. The viewer needs to have some suspension of disbelief, but I've never heard of any say "You weren't supposed to thinking about that" when they don't even hint at something that you should be thinking about.

[EliSnow]

I may be with you. That is one of the dumbest things I have heard a TV Show runner/writer say. Did he not think the audience would consider that? Was he too lazy to have something to explain why Peter didn't fly? He could simply have mentioned to Claire "You'll need to kill me because I may not be able to fly"

Sure a Sci-Fi show's premise doesn't always need to be air tight. The viewer needs to have some suspension of disbelief, but I've never heard of any say "You weren't supposed to thinking about that" when they don't even hint at something that you should be thinking about.

I took it as a sarcastic joke.

[Doctor Manhattan]

I took it as a sarcastic joke.

I didn't hear him say it and I read it out of context, so sure, he could be joking.

[BeerBandit]

Do you really think that similar type of thinking doesn't happen with virtually every sci-fi show? The goal is to tell a good story, with not too many plot holes inconsistencies, and every now and then, the storytellers basically accept making one in order to tell the story they want to. That doesn't meant that they are going to do it all the time. Hell, it why Marvel invented the "No Prize" prize.

As a sci fi fan for years, I've learned to accept that you're going to have some inconsistenices with any of this type of show. The question is how much you can put up with for the sake of a good story.

I understand that in a perfect world the entire duration of the series would be planned out, cross-referenced, and verified for authenticity, and that we certainly do not live in a perfect world. But I also understand that some things are better than others, that there are varying levels of quality that apply to everything that exists. Some television shows are better than others. Some shows have more flaws than others. In my opinion, with the season finale, Heroes has shown considerable flaws in it's ability to tell a story, which is directly related to how "good" the story itself is. So much so that it has now dropped from a level that my critical mind has deemed as "watchable" to a level I've deemed "not worthy of my time." Put simply, to me this show is not as "good" as I'd hoped it would be. I gave it a shot, but it just doesn't hold up to a standard that I've compiled over my lifetime of absorbing entertaining material.

Of course, Television's weapon of teasing is a powerful and effective one. I'm sure my curiousity of Hiro's fate will eat at me all summer long and when Volume II begins, I'll be back watching NBC at 9 PM (assuming the show keeps it's time slot), but my leash will be much shorter.

[King Imp]

Presented by TV Guide with that burning question, series creator Tim Kring pauses before saying, "You know, theoretically you're not supposed to be thinking about that."

So, "theoretically" are we also not supposed to think about why it is that not a single one of them noticed Sylar was gone?

I'm sorry, I love this show, but that is the laziest writing I have ever seen.

[shamus mcfitzy]

Also, if Nathan really was Nathan, he could fly away with Peter to minimize the damage. Of course this assumes Nathan is not a complete scumbag and in the end would choose to help his brother rather than watch him die.

Let it be said that MadMatt can read the future, he wrote this on May 1st. I totally can buy that Nathan had to fly Peter away because Peter couldn't control his powers. I also read that Tim Kring quote as a joke or a way of saying "hey how bout you watch the show and not nitpick this beautiful story we have made for you, the viewer, to watch because there is no football and nobody really likes wrestling anymore and 24 has long since jumped the shark and this show is still very good."


Im thinking the person worse than the boogeyman who seems to male might be papa petrelli. Maybe he faked his death whenever and it still very much alive. Of course i could also see mama petrelli being maybe their father in disguise or both their mother and father at the same time (well I could see it)


I still want to know what DL says when Nikki says that he could've just let the bullet phase through him (and one would assume also Nikki). I mean i would've preferred that somehow both of them were hit by the bullet, but i can just hope that a more gruesome death will come along for them.

And I think that it is possible that the girl who can shape what you see looks the way that she usually looks to the viewer. Maybe its not probable or even preferable, but its possible. I hope shes back next season because i like her power the best, even if she unfortunatly will always be a B-villian.

[tbonesteak]

I'm chiming in late and probably repeating a lot of what's been said but I thought it was a complete letdown. The first 45 minutes were okay but the last 15 were completely disappointing. I was on the edge of my seat when Peter and Sylar faced off. There was SOOOOOOOOO fucking much that they could have come up with. Instead, they got children running around and Peter acting like a big pussy and Niki boring the shit out of everyone. It was a great great season. But it completely fell apart.

It did look like the warrior on the hill was Hiro's father and that makes me wonder whether he's an immortal.

I wonder what ever happened to Claire's mom and whether she'll reappear again.

I didn't really pick up on the whole roach thing until this episode. I think there are some very interesting possibilities. It could be that Sylar transformed into one somehow. It's possible that it carries his power on to someone else. It's possible that it's the same roach that was in Parkman's cell and Sylar's cage and that it's a superhero unto itself. Or it could just be some stupid thing the creators threw in to represent the tenacity of life or some bullshit like that.

The only thing I know is that there is obviously a whole battle that happened years before this season took place. They've alluded to it on numerous occasions. It involved Peter's mom, Hiro's father, Linderman, and others that aren't coming to mind. I don't know whether they are going to show it through flashbacks or time travel, but they are going to get to it at some point and that's going to take the show in a whole new direction. This season was about stopping a nuclear explosion. Next season is going to get more involved in the greater picture. It's the same progression as Lost.

BTW, even though the season was terrible, the 24 finale completely beat the Heroes finale. Now for lost...

[drusilla]

It could also be that since the Hatian was secretly working for Mrs. Petrelli (which we found out later) he did not block Nathan's flying power intentionally so he could get away.

ok i thought about it some more, wouldn't hrg have realized something was up?

[cougarjake13]

ok i thought about it some more, wouldn't hrg have realized something was up?

maybe hrg didnt or doesnt know that he can block powers

[lleeder]

I just thought of something I never realized before. In the future Peter has Fire and Sylar has Ice. Peter must come into contact with Claires mother at some point to do that. Well I guess that can change since the future is different now.

[drusilla]

maybe hrg didnt or doesnt know that he can block powers

why wouldn't he know? his organization found the hatian when he was just a kid

[lleeder]

why wouldn't he know? his organization found the hatian when he was just a kid

Maybe the Hatian made him forget to have and ace in the hole. Another thing is where did he go? Was the guy even around the last 6 episodes?

[drusilla]

now you're just grasping at straws

[lleeder]

now you're just grasping at straws

Grasping??? or tightly holding those straws and connecting each one to form a super long twisty plot straw?

[extracheese]

I just saw the episode on NBC.COM and i dont understand you people....i thought it was a fun way to end the season. You people nitpick the little things too much. Your probably the same people who in the "24" thread also ask why things arent more realistic..ITS ENTERTAINMENT PEOPLE!!
Kudos on an amazing season and a great beginining to what i hope is many years of fun with these characters.

The only thing that i have an issue with...and i mentioned in midseason - is that everytime someone incapacitated Sylar..they dont finish him off. This simply would not happen in real life. Sylar needs his head decapitated to truly kill him, and i was waiting for Hiro to do so...but as usual..he walked away.

I think the person molly cant see hasent been introduced yet. The writers probably figured that at some point, viewers will ask ( when a new bad guy emerges) why cant molly just find him? so they built in this safety net.

[BYOBKenobi]

The only thing I know is that there is obviously a whole battle that happened years before this season took place. They've alluded to it on numerous occasions. It involved Peter's mom, Hiro's father, Linderman, and others that aren't coming to mind. I don't know whether they are going to show it through flashbacks or time travel, but they are going to get to it at some point and that's going to take the show in a whole new direction.

This is very similar to the XMen thing of having Prof X and Magneto who were allies a generation ago but went in very different directions. I don't know how much they are going to go into it, but it would be interesting to see a little more of the 1st generation heroes.

I'm not sure I have them all, but the 1st gen heroes are:

Linderman
Mr. Petrelli
Mrs. Petrelli (whatever her powers are... she keeps alluding and then says nothing)
The guy peter was caring for... whatshername's father
Mr. Nakimora
The invisible man? (not sure he's in that generation)


Mohinder's father???? He seems to just be the same exact character as Mohinder... but a generation older.

ALSO... the more I keep thinking about it, the more Peter's power bothers me. If not everyone knows that they have powers and are walking around... don't you think Peter would be passing by on the streets of New York and would just be absorbing all sorts of whacky powers? Pass one girl and he has XRay vision... passes another and he can phase through walls... next guy gives you super strength... whatever. Also, he was so close to Molly Walker that you would think he would be able to use her power. Peter is like a more efficient and less dangerous Sylar. He should be able to just hang out in a mall and pick up crazy powers. The fact that Sylar's stupid "force choke" was enough to throw off Peter is just annoying. He should have been grabbing powers one after another being so close to Sylar and just using them right back in his face.

He seemed so good at using his new powers in the previous episodes. I mean he goes invisible over and over... why couldn't he use all of Sylar's powers? Nikki/Jessica's super strength? etc etc etc

He could be played in a very similar way to Neo from The Matrix... but I guess making Peter all powerful would throw off the ballance of the show. I keep going back and forth from hating how the writers use his power to understanding that making one hero so far and above all others would make future episodes near impossible.

[BYOBKenobi]

I just saw the episode on NBC.COM and i dont understand you people....i thought it was a fun way to end the season. You people nitpick the little things too much. Your probably the same people who in the "24" thread also ask why things arent more realistic..ITS ENTERTAINMENT PEOPLE!!
Kudos on an amazing season and a great beginining to what i hope is many years of fun with these characters.

The only thing that i have an issue with...and i mentioned in midseason - is that everytime someone incapacitated Sylar..they dont finish him off. This simply would not happen in real life. Sylar needs his head decapitated to truly kill him, and i was waiting for Hiro to do so...but as usual..he walked away.

I think the person molly cant see hasent been introduced yet. The writers probably figured that at some point, viewers will ask ( when a new bad guy emerges) why cant molly just find him? so they built in this safety net.


I loved the first season, but it's more fun to go deep and nitpick than it is to sit back and go "wow, what a great season"

[cougarjake13]

why wouldn't he know? his organization found the hatian when he was just a kid

remember the episode where parkman says your not the big guy your just middle management and laughs ??

[furie]

But who is worse than the Boogey Man?


Two words:

http://img.consumating.com/photos/12954/large/40542.jpg

ROBOT DEVIL!

[drusilla]

tru dat!

[CruelCircus]

But who is worse than the Boogey Man?

http://home.netcom.com/~jjmace/gifs/boogeyman.jpg

This guy!!

[cougarjake13]

http://home.netcom.com/~jjmace/gifs/boogeyman.jpg

This guy!!

i'd say its this guy



http://i1.sell.com/1/197/112907/37/214/2437504-m.jpg

[cougarjake13]

new novel is up


http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/index.shtml?novel=35

[cougarjake13]

best line of this article is

a surrogate for niki's (ali larter) son, could that mean no more niki ???? sure as hell hope so

http://tv.yahoo.com/heroes/show/39435/news/urn:newsml:tv.reuters.com:20070601:ramirez_dc__ER: 21907

[cougarjake13]

next novel is up


http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novels_display.shtml?novel=36

[cougarjake13]

new novel up


http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novels_display.shtml?novel=37

[cougarjake13]

new novel up

part 4


http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novels_display.shtml?novel=38

[EliSnow]

The Hollywood Reporter is reporting (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i1f767c9b7cecd7a24c2fd593586097e6) that the actor who played Julian Sark on Alias will have a suprising role on the next season of Heros:

The ancient samurai warrior Takezo Kensei, Hiro Nakamura's childhood hero.

[cougarjake13]

new novel up

betty part 1 of 4


http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novels_display.shtml?novel=39

[cougarjake13]

new novel

betty part 2 of 4


http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novels_display.shtml?novel=40

[cougarjake13]

betty part 3 of 4


http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novels_display.shtml?novel=41

[cougarjake13]

betty finale

part 4 of 4


http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novels_display.shtml?novel=42

[cougarjake13]

i didnt hit me until i read that last one

but this betty chick is the one who morphed into niki and kidnapped micah among other things she did on the show

[cougarjake13]

The invisible man's first partner.


invisible man (http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novels_display.shtml?novel=43)

[ChrisTheCop]

I havent read this thread one bit cuz I'm afraid of spoilers.

But I'm watching Season 1 now for the 1st time, and enjoying it enough.

The 2 chicks that I fell in love with have both died (Hiro's waitress and the cute girl across the hall from Papa Suresh), so I've stopped falling in love in order to save lives.

Just finished waching "Distractions", probably half way thru the season, with George Takei as Hiro's father. LOVED that, altho for only a split second, as his car was driving away we see his license plate: NCC 1701 !!!

I dunno if I'll be watching seasons 2 and 3, but with every episode ending, I find myself wanting to watch the next. I can see why people love this show so much.

[WampusCrandle]

I havent read this thread one bit cuz I'm afraid of spoilers.

But I'm watching Season 1 now for the 1st time, and enjoying it enough.

The 2 chicks that I fell in love with have both died (Hiro's waitress and the cute girl across the hall from Papa Suresh), so I've stopped falling in love in order to save lives.

Just finished waching "Distractions", probably half way thru the season, with George Takei as Hiro's father. LOVED that, altho for only a split second, as his car was driving away we see his license plate: NCC 1701 !!!

I dunno if I'll be watching seasons 2 and 3, but with every episode ending, I find myself wanting to watch the next. I can see why people love this show so much.

im only going to give this advice: if you do need to watch two and three, watch them all back to back. it might be the only way to do it. i loved the first season.

[drusilla]

i say tap out at the end of season 1. walk out on a high note.

[WampusCrandle]

i say tap out at the end of season 1. walk out on a high note.

i would have to agree.

[Sinestro]

I still don't get why people don't like Season 2 that much. Sure it can't top Season One but it has it's own merits.

[WampusCrandle]

I still don't get why people don't like Season 2 that much. Sure it can't top Season One but it has it's own merits.

well, those dumb fucking spanish wonder twins were awful and really made it unbearable to watch. also, i really wasn't a massive fan of claire/ the flying boy, and her bitchy attitude.

other than that, i liked the rest of season two.