Lost - Season Four

[Friday]

That was excrement.

that is so funny

i watched my first Lost episode EVER tonight... thanks to the cult leader, JerseyRich.
and I was intrigued enough to vow to rent the entire series to catch up.

that was drivel?
wow... can't wait to start watching hahaha

[King Imp]

So, Ben shows Locke a video of Charles Widmore in some warehouse (I think) and tells him that he's the one in charge of the boat and Locke just believes it and lets him go?
Come on! Way to insult the viewers and Locke's intelligence.

[Ay Kay Forty2]

it wasn't one of the strongest episodes. but it did answer some questions that sort of make sense. That Charlies Widmore is the mastermind behind the freighter people. It's obvious that he would give his people a picture of Desmond and then block all the transmissions from Penny. He's been trying to separate though cats forever.

Thought it was kinda weird to just introduce a new character like Harper and then a new station. I guess it makes since with the whole purge and killing all the Dharma peeps but how big is the island that you miss all these obvious stations and focus on the really tough to find one in season 1. oh well.

[K.C.]

that is so funny

i watched my first Lost episode EVER tonight... thanks to the cult leader, JerseyRich.
and I was intrigued enough to vow to rent the entire series to catch up.

that was drivel?
wow... can't wait to start watching hahaha

ABC.com has the first full three seasons streaming in HD.

[Reephdweller]

Thought it was kinda weird to just introduce a new character like Harper and then a new station. I guess it makes since with the whole purge and killing all the Dharma peeps but how big is the island that you miss all these obvious stations and focus on the really tough to find one in season 1. oh well.

I agree, I found it odd that all of a sudden there was this new station that was a lot more more open obvious to see than most of the others which were more hidden.

I also found Ben's puppy dog adoration for Juliet to be pretty out of character for him. I can see him feeling that way, but they had him play it over the top which is a little unusual for a calculated guy like him.

Did anyone figure out who that was who Whitmore has captive on the video tape?

It was an ok episode, I've seen a lot better but I enjoyed it.

[MM2]

I agree, I found it odd that all of a sudden there was this new station that was a lot more more open obvious to see than most of the others which were more hidden.

I also found Ben's puppy dog adoration for Juliet to be pretty out of character for him. I can see him feeling that way, but they had him play it over the top which is a little unusual for a calculated guy like him.

Did anyone figure out who that was who Whitmore has captive on the video tape?

It was an ok episode, I've seen a lot better but I enjoyed it.

Well I took the puppy dog adoration as kind of an act, how he thought he'd have to act to make her want him. Obviously that's not him, he showed who he is when he told her that she belonged to him after showing her Goodwin's body.

I agree with most saying that it was pretty much a throw away episode, you already knew that Penny's dad was the one who owned the ship because he's the one who bought that book with the way to the island in it.

I guess they can't all be winners, I'll give the episode this much...Juliette's rack looked pretty good in that bathing suit :lol:

[Reephdweller]

Well I took the puppy dog adoration as kind of an act, how he thought he'd have to act to make her want him. Obviously that's not him, he showed who he is when he told her that she belonged to him after showing her Goodwin's body.

I agree with most saying that it was pretty much a throw away episode, you already knew that Penny's dad was the one who owned the ship because he's the one who bought that book with the way to the island in it.

I guess they can't all be winners, I'll give the episode this much...Juliette's rack looked pretty good in that bathing suit :lol:


Good point on Ben.

And I totally agree on Juliet's rack, nice!!

[BeerBandit]

I agree, I found it odd that all of a sudden there was this new station that was a lot more more open obvious to see than most of the others which were more hidden.

I also found Ben's puppy dog adoration for Juliet to be pretty out of character for him. I can see him feeling that way, but they had him play it over the top which is a little unusual for a calculated guy like him.

Did anyone figure out who that was who Whitmore has captive on the video tape?

It was an ok episode, I've seen a lot better but I enjoyed it.

Agreed. This episode for me, really went against the characterization that it seemed they were going in for Ben. They started off portraying Ben as evil. Then, more recently it appears that he's actually night be the "good" guy in all of this, doing whatever it takes to preserve the island, bringing others somewhat to his side as they eventually realize that they should stay or return to the island. Now they go back to him being this irrational lovestruck maniac. Add in the cheesy "saved at the last second" and Sawyer and Hurley, "Hey what're you doing here?" scenes, and it seem like a throwaway episodes.

Or maybe I still have no idea what's going on.:wallbash:

[Doctor Manhattan]

worst. episode. ever.

I still think Jack getting his tattoo was the worst (and it was only part of the tattoo so we may get another episode to explain the rest of it)

This episode gave us another a number of pieces to the puzzle of the folks from the Kahana (the freighter) and a bit more about Ben. So it's not a great episode by itself but I wouldn't call it shite.

...but how big is the island that you miss all these obvious stations and focus on the really tough to find one in season 1. oh well.


It is a pretty big island. Fear of the "monster" kept people from exploring too far from where they crashed. (It is a bit of a reach, but that's why I think they didn't find any other stations. They even did find the line to the Looking Glass station early in Season 1 but didn't actually get to it until the end of Season 3)

[spadanko]

i did like the "There wasn't a number on that rabbit was there?" line

[K.C.]

I actually liked this episode, because they finally brought The Others back into the fold. It always annoyed me that after the whole introducing of the Tailies, and making them a big part of the Season 2 plot, all we were left with was Bernard, who rarely shows up these days.

And it seemed the killing spree on Others all throughout Season 3 left us with Ben and Richard (who hasn't shown up yet this season), with Juliet, Karl, and Alex as defectors.

So I like the fact that they brought in Harper (old school Other style with full on whisper effects and sudden appearence/disappearence)...it served as a reminder that Ben is never that far from being in control at any given time, and that there's still a large segment of the populace of The Others still out there, not to mention whomever Ben may have stashed in isolation at various points on the island a la Bonnie and Greta in the Looking Glass, and Mikhail in the Flame.

[Furtherman]

Considering last week's show was so good, how can anyone who has watched this show for any amount of time be disappointed in a less than revealing episode? Do you really think each show would outperform the previous? Of course it wasn't mind blowing, but it did make some excellent points.

The most important about Ben. He's the mastermind of the island. A brilliant manipulator who finds out the weakness of people and exploits it to get what he wants. He's got secrets and lies and everyone second guessing, yet... "You're mine!", which was the line of the show, shows that through that all he is a selfish child. He'll never be able to actually have a normal relationship with another person. We even know that when he gets off the island he works as a veterinarian. Animals, not people, he has to surround himself with.

And don't count out Locke being easily duped again.

[MagillaGorillaz]

Considering last week's show was so good, how can anyone who has watched this show for any amount of time be disappointed in a less than revealing episode? Do you really think each show would outperform the previous? Of course it wasn't mind blowing, but it did make some excellent points.

The most important about Ben. He's the mastermind of the island. A brilliant manipulator who finds out the weakness of people and exploits it to get what he wants. He's got secrets and lies and everyone second guessing, yet... "You're mine!", which was the line of the show, shows that through that all he is a selfish child. He'll never be able to actually have a normal relationship with another person. We even know that when he gets off the island he works as a veterinarian. Animals, not people, he has to surround himself with.

And don't count out Locke being easily duped again.

"You're mine!" was not the line of the show. "This didn't have a number on it, did it?" was the line of the show.

[Furtherman]

"You're mine!" was not the line of the show. "This didn't have a number on it, did it?" was the line of the show.

What I meant was it was the point of the show. Or at least one of the main ones.

No, it wasn't a funny line. But yea, the one you mention was very funny.

[MagillaGorillaz]

What I meant was it was the point of the show. Or at least one of the main ones.

No, it wasn't a funny line. But yea, the one you mention was very funny.

No I do agree with you that scene was the point of the show.

I have to watch Lockdown again to figure out the Dharma Station Map.

[drusilla]

yea, the one on his right leg has some sort of chinese symbol in a circle. He also has another tattoo on his other arm. I recognize the actor from Smokin' Aces. Chances are, those are his real tattoos and don't have any bearing on anything. I could be wrong though, they did a WHOLE episode that centered on Jack getting a tattoo.

that is the amazingly hot kevin durand. a lot of his tattoo's for smokin' aces were fake, so something might be up here.

[K.C.]

Considering last week's show was so good, how can anyone who has watched this show for any amount of time be disappointed in a less than revealing episode? Do you really think each show would outperform the previous? Of course it wasn't mind blowing, but it did make some excellent points.

The most important about Ben. He's the mastermind of the island. A brilliant manipulator who finds out the weakness of people and exploits it to get what he wants. He's got secrets and lies and everyone second guessing, yet... "You're mine!", which was the line of the show, shows that through that all he is a selfish child. He'll never be able to actually have a normal relationship with another person. We even know that when he gets off the island he works as a veterinarian. Animals, not people, he has to surround himself with.

And don't count out Locke being easily duped again.

Agreed...there was no way anything was going to live up to Desmond's episode...that was the best episode of the series, hands down.
But, this one told us a lot, and I think is a pretty effective set up going forward.


As for Ben vs. Locke...I think it seems like Ben is playing Locke once again, but something tells me there's more to this than meets then meets the eye, and that Locke really does have a plan, and is manipulating Ben to some degree here.

After all, Ben ends up off the island like the rest in flash-forward, and apparently can't get back. Locke is presumably still there.

[K.C.]

"You're mine!" was not the line of the show. "This didn't have a number on it, did it?" was the line of the show.

Once again, I'm going third party with 'see you guys at dinner' as a bewildered Hugo and Sawyer stare on.

[extracheese]

Remember in Austin Powers when Dr Evils son says...Your not going to watch them die? They will get away. Ill get a gun and BOOM their dead. Dr Evil Says..you just dont get it, ill just assume it went to plan.

Thats how i feel when watching LOST. They have captured a man (Ben) who is responsible for the death of a loved one for EACH of the remaining Lostees. Charlie, Sayids Blond, etc..etc..They should be climbing over each other to kill him.

Imagine a man killed someone you loved...and he arrogantly lives in your midst. Youd kill him. Thats the facts.
Thats the only thing that insults my intelligence on this show.

Juliet looked really hot this week ( the adultering slut)

[K.C.]

Remember in Austin Powers when Dr Evils son says...Your not going to watch them die? They will get away. Ill get a gun and BOOM their dead. Dr Evil Says..you just dont get it, ill just assume it went to plan.

Thats how i feel when watching LOST. They have captured a man (Ben) who is responsible for the death of a loved one for EACH of the remaining Lostees. Charlie, Sayids Blond, etc..etc..They should be climbing over each other to kill him.

Imagine a man killed someone you loved...and he arrogantly lives in your midst. Youd kill him. Thats the facts.
Thats the only thing that insults my intelligence on this show.

Juliet looked really hot this week ( the adultering slut)

Most of them would kill Ben at this point. Sawyer flat out says "why are we keeping this guy alive" a couple episodes back.

Locke protects him because he wants his info...it will be interesting to see how the other Losties with Locke react to Ben being free next week.

[CountryBob]

I dont get the whole "gas that could kill off everybody" angle. Did Ben order the gas to be released once he knew that the freighter people were now on the island? It dosent seem likely since he wasnt worried of being poisoned while he was led all over the island for the past few weeks getting his face beat in.
Then who started the countdown to release the gas?

[CountryBob]

The producers realized that from the beginning - Walt, rather the actor who played him, would be growing quickly.

Here is a good website that tackles the whole time travel theory. It's detailed and make good sense.

Lost: A Theory on Time Travel (http://timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.htm)

WOW! What a theory that dude is bringing. He should be one of the writers or Steven Fuckin Hawking for figuring all that out.

[K.C.]

Let's reminisce a little:

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[Doogie]

Well. we know for a fact that Michael is back...I bet the noises they were hearing were morse code...just what the code was I dont know for sure. Pretty good episode thus far, then again I have an impartiality to Jin/Sun episodes.

[drusilla]

man this sucks. i might cry.

[drusilla]

Well. we know for a fact that Michael is back...I bet the noises they were hearing were morse code...just what the code was I dont know for sure. Pretty good episode thus far, then again I have an impartiality to Jin/Sun episodes.


i was thinking the same thing about morse code, guessing it was a message to sayed. can't think of anyone else that would know it.

[Doogie]

man this sucks. i might cry.

I did...wow. What a great episode...:down: and :clap:

[Dan 'Hampton]

It gets a meh. Jin's tombstone showed 9 23 2004, maybe anyone else catch that?

[booster11373]

I did...wow. What a great episode...:down: and :clap:

agreed and great curveball with the flashforward of Sun and Flashback of Jin

[johnniehardrock]

I am kind of stupid and confused. It was a Jin flash back and a Sun flash foward?

[Doogie]

I am kind of stupid and confused. It was a Jin flash back and a Sun flash foward?

Yes to all four things...:tongue:

[drusilla]

this season has been really really great so far. so does this mean that sawyers one of the 6?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[Doogie]

this season has been really really great so far. so does this mean that sawyers one of the 6?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

I think that's all of em...lets see, Jack, Kate, Aaron, Sayid, Hurley and Sun. Yup...thats six of em...remember Jack's testimony said that 8 made it off, but 6 survived. So I imagine Jin is one of the fatalities...so who is the other fatality??

[drusilla]

i thought aaron was still up in the air

[drusilla]

all i can say is pay attention to cell phones. that's the clear tell for a flash forward or a flash back. even though i'm retarded & ask my self "why does jack have a krazr in 2004?" or "why does jin still have a cell phone with an antenna like kathleen from the bronx?"

[cogsdoc]

I too saw the september 2004 date on Jin's tombstone. This really confuses me, wasn't it Christmas eve 2004 when Desmond finally made his phone call?

[hammersavage]

i think sawyer and locke HAVE to make it off the island. and i guess one of them must die to fit the numbers.

[King Imp]

I too saw the september 2004 date on Jin's tombstone. This really confuses me, wasn't it Christmas eve 2004 when Desmond finally made his phone call?

Remember when Jack said in Kate's recent flash forward that there were 8 survivors originally? I don't think he said 8 were rescued, but that 8 survived the crash. Only 6 came home. I'm guessing that this date of Sept. 2004 means that he was one of the Oceanic 8, but are saying as part of the coverup that he died there.

I still don't buy the part of Aaron counting as one of the six. I still say there is going to be one more and I'm betting on it being Locke simply because no one expects him to leave.

Now, as for this episode, I am really starting to suck at picking up on things. It took my wife, who never catches anything on this show, to tell me that Jin's was a flashback. The whole time, even after he said he was only married 2 months and Sun visiting his grave, I still didn't figure it out. I just thought he was alive in the future, but apart from Sun.

[K.C.]

I kind of figured Jin was dead from the beginning, but I thought that they were going for the angle that Sun was hallucinating, or making up the Jin story in her head.

And then when Jin 'arrived' at the hospital, Sun would look up at the door thinking she sees Jin and say his name and it'd just be some random guy standing there.



But the way they did it is interesting.

[sailor]

year of the dragon: 2000, 2012. 2000 and a flashback makes more sense.

[K.C.]

year of the dragon: 2000, 2012. 2000 and a flashback makes more sense.

He's still working for Paik in the flashback.

If he theoretically divorced Sun and remarried someone else (and found the world's biggest cellphone in 2012), why would he still work for her father?

Can't see how it'd be 2012...2000 makes much more sense.

[spadanko]

man this sucks. i might cry.

my wife did

[spadanko]

the date on Jin's Tombstone was the date of the crash. Jin could actually still be on the island, although I do think he died. Aaron is still up in the air as being one of the 6... i hope it ends up being someone else. I doubt it will be sawyer or Locke.

[Reephdweller]

I thought Ben ended up playing one of the Oceanic 6, which would explain the flash forward with him and Sayed.


Great episode, very sad. It took me a few moments to realize that it was a Sun flash forward and a Jin flashback. Very well done.

[Whiskeyportal]

Enough with the cheese. I want answers!

[Friday]

ABC.com has the first full three seasons streaming in HD.

thank you for this info! i watched the first two last night. this is great :)

i also cried at the end of last nights episode..... and i barely even know who these people are!!

[ChrisTheCop]

the date on Jin's Tombstone was the date of the crash. Jin could actually still be on the island, although I do think he died. Aaron is still up in the air as being one of the 6... i hope it ends up being someone else.

Thanx Spadanko...the rest of you-- KEEP UP!!

Having said that however, now it's my time to be stupid:
If Sun knows Jin is actually alive on the Island, and is telling everyone that he died in the crash as part of the "only 8 survived" lie, why would she feel the need to visit his fake gravesight? Let alone needing Hurley to be there.

All in all, a tremendous, mind effing episode with the dual-flashes... but that thought immediately bugged me.

Most thought provoking line of the ep: "...and just where do you get 300 dead bodies? Thats just one of the things we wanna talk to Ben Linus about."

[Doctor Manhattan]

This is a not a major thing, but does Desmond know who Michael is? Sayid of course does and is "keeping it under his hat" for now but I couldn't tell if Desmond was too.

[LordJezo]

This is shaping up to be the worst season yet and if they don't change things around then even more people are going to lose interest.

All they are doing is making up new plot lines as they go along and refusing to answer any question that has been brought up in the past three years. Watching the show is now more of a chore with the same exact formula every episode, which is basically "la la la la.. OH SHIT LAST MINUTE OF THE EPISODE LETS THROW EVERYONE A BRAND NEW CURVE BALL."

Whoop de do.

If they do start to wrap something up then it will be nice, but if all this season is is just a bunch of new garbage thrown at the viewer while forgetting everything from before, then bah.

[ChrisTheCop]

This is shaping up to be the worst season yet and if they don't change things around then even more people are going to lose interest.

All they are doing is making up new plot lines as they go along and refusing to answer any question that has been brought up in the past three years. Watching the show is now more of a chore with the same exact formula every episode, which is basically "la la la la.. OH SHIT LAST MINUTE OF THE EPISODE LETS THROW EVERYONE A BRAND NEW CURVE BALL."

Whoop de do.

If they do start to wrap something up then it will be nice, but if all this season is is just a bunch of new garbage thrown at the viewer while forgetting everything from before, then bah.

I'm not sure if it's you every week, but SOMEONE says the same thing each week.
For those who agree with your post above, you are obviously not into the show at all, or just arent paying attention. If it's not your type of show, dont watch. Simple.

Just as simple, for actual fans of this amazing show, when you start to feel the way Jezo does (temporary insanity), just go to abc.com and watch an old episode; Youll see that these writers have not lost their way-- meaningless throw out lines from previous seasons actually end up having meaning later on.

Some say this is the best season yet because there have been so many answers...even though they lead to more questions.

[Friday]

I'm not sure if it's you every week, but SOMEONE says the same thing each week.
For those who agree with your post above, you are obviously not into the show at all, or just arent paying attention. If it's not your type of show, dont watch. Simple.

Just as simple, for actual fans of this amazing show, when you start to feel the way Jezo does (temporary insanity), just go to abc.com and watch an old episode; Youll see that these writers have not lost their way-- meaningless throw out lines from previous seasons actually end up having meaning later on.

Some say this is the best season yet because there have been so many answers...even though they lead to more questions.

i am watching all of Episode 1 now and i already feel closer to Chris.....

[ChrisTheCop]

It's actually the only way. :blink:

[Doctor Manhattan]

All they are doing is making up new plot lines as they go along and refusing to answer any question that has been brought up in the past three years.

Of course they do not answer every question from past episodes but they have been answering some. As we find out some things they bring up new questions; it's just the format of the show. I don't see why you would complain that they are keeping it up. I could understand this if this was the among the last few episodes of Season 6 and they have a huge stockpile of unanswered questions that they couldn't possibly wrap up in the last remaining hours of Lost. But they have 41 more episodes to go, just enjoy the ride.

And they have said again and again that the outline of the show is already written and it has been from the first season (They do make up some stuff as they actually write each episode, but they have a path) I trust them. I would not attack them until we see how it plays out.

[Friday]

It's actually the only way. :blink:

well... only because i don't have a penis. :bye:

[LordJezo]

stuff


Well, as long as they get around to telling me what the foot is about I suppose I will be happy.

[spadanko]

I'm not sure if it's you every week, but SOMEONE says the same thing each week.
For those who agree with your post above, you are obviously not into the show at all, or just arent paying attention. If it's not your type of show, dont watch. Simple.

Just as simple, for actual fans of this amazing show, when you start to feel the way Jezo does (temporary insanity), just go to abc.com and watch an old episode; Youll see that these writers have not lost their way-- meaningless throw out lines from previous seasons actually end up having meaning later on.

Some say this is the best season yet because there have been so many answers...even though they lead to more questions.

I agree.. so far this is blowing last season out of the water... been awesome

[LordJezo]

I'm not sure if it's you every week, but SOMEONE says the same thing each week.
For those who agree with your post above, you are obviously not into the show at all, or just arent paying attention. If it's not your type of show, dont watch. Simple.

Just as simple, for actual fans of this amazing show, when you start to feel the way Jezo does (temporary insanity), just go to abc.com and watch an old episode; Youll see that these writers have not lost their way-- meaningless throw out lines from previous seasons actually end up having meaning later on.

Some say this is the best season yet because there have been so many answers...even though they lead to more questions.

I was into this show more than I ever should have been. Played all the ARG stuff, watched every episode religiously, studied screen shots, called phone numbers, Lost was the greatest thing on TV. I have a friggen home made Dharma cup at my desk at work.

I guess I just wanted something to be wrapped up, anything really. What answers have been given this season? The only thing I can think of is more things being opened up. They have told us nothing we didn't already know besides a few basic things like who the Oceanic 6 are and other nonsense. The numbers? Nope. The Hatch? Nope. Dharma? Nope. The monster(s)? Nope. How about Jacob or Jack's dad? It's like none of that ever happened. The show has gone off in a completely new direction and forgotten about everything that has happened before.

[Doogie]

I was into this show more than I ever should have been. Played all the ARG stuff, watched every episode religiously, studied screen shots, called phone numbers, Lost was the greatest thing on TV. I have a friggen home made Dharma cup at my desk at work.

I guess I just wanted something to be wrapped up, anything really. What answers have been given this season? The only thing I can think of is more things being opened up. They have told us nothing we didn't already know besides a few basic things like who the Oceanic 6 are and other nonsense. The numbers? Nope. The Hatch? Nope. Dharma? Nope. The monster(s)? Nope. How about Jacob or Jack's dad? It's like none of that ever happened. The show has gone off in a completely new direction and forgotten about everything that has happened before.

So your a fan boy that doesnt like new things?? And after last nights episode, and the Desmond one two shows ago, how can you say this show has lost it (pardon the pun??) If anything they have done a good job of tying in Penny and her father with this island. And they have also helped explain that their is a conspiracy on top of conspiracy with the survivors. Perhaps they never want to talk about the others they left behind. Perhaps it was some 'truce' drawn up with an amalgamation of "others" and Locke's "new others." We dont know yet. Sure we dont know about Christian, nor the smoke monster. But we are slowly getting there. I say exercise patience...that will help you out.

[ChrisTheCop]

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[LordJezo]

Freddie Mercury

I don't want it all, I just want something. Anything really, that will show me that the last 3 years have not been a waste of time.

This season is almost a stand alone complex thing, none of the back story really matters, yet. It's all brand new stuff. They need to throw us something, some kind of "Oh so that's what is happening" info instead of just making us scratch our heads with all brand new story.

As for the Penny / Dad / Island thing, didn't we already know that Widmore had a hand with stuff on the island? There were hints dropped for years, like how the birth control test found in the balloon was all from their laboratories. I guess there have been tiny things shown to us this season but for the most part it seems to be all brand new plot points.

[sailor]

i think the situation is beyond hope and you should just give up.

[ChrisTheCop]

i think the situation is beyond hope and you should just give up.

and that's the moral of the show. (donk)

[extracheese]

it all plays into the fascinating "timeloop" theory that was posted on line. The author suggests a time-loop theory that explains an awful lot - it explains the hatch, the monster, the others, ben, jacob etc...
again, its just a theory, but its nice to wrap your head around something until everything is finally revealed.

http://timelooptheory.com/index.htm

[MagillaGorillaz]

it all plays into the fascinating "timeloop" theory that was posted on line. The author suggests a time-loop theory that explains an awful lot - it explains the hatch, the monster, the others, ben, jacob etc...
again, its just a theory, but its nice to wrap your head around something until everything is finally revealed.

http://timelooptheory.com/index.htm

I thought about the timeloop theory espically with the last episode. To us a normal pregnancy is 9 months, but we have no idea if Sun's was 9 months, or longer, or shorter because of the secrets of the island. Plus we have gotten alot of answers you just have to know where to find them.

[K.C.]

So your a fan boy that doesnt like new things?? And after last nights episode, and the Desmond one two shows ago, how can you say this show has lost it (pardon the pun??)

You know, I've been thinking about it, and I'm not really sure how I feel about this Season so far.

On one hand, I loved the first episode, and the Desmond ep was the best of the series, hands down.

On the other, episodes like Eggtown (The Kate-centric one), and even last week's, which I honestly wasn't a big fan of, just have failed to capture my interest.

I have a feeling this mini-finale coming up this week is going to be pretty damn awesome, but it's really been a hit or miss season.


Now they have answered some questions....they've also created some more...but I think the most important thing is that Season 4 has given us the means by which to start forming some more informed theories about what the hell is exactly going on here.

The one thing I don't like is how they've really pushed a lot of the secondary characters into the background. Jin and Sun were non-existent until last episode. Sawyer has been pretty much a forgotten character this season. All he's done is play horseshoes with Hurley and almost bang Kate. Claire's done nothing as well. For a second, I thought Rose & Bernard were just being phased out before Bernard showed up with his Karma speech last week.

And you never see any of the other, no-name survivors running around...they've really confined the show to a core set of characters (Jack, Locke, Desmond, Sayid, Kate, Juliet, Ben)

Everyone else is in the background.

[Doogie]

You know something...I re-watched the Ben episode from two weeks ago. At the end of the episode, Ben revealed that Penny's father, Mr. Widmore was the one trying to locate the island. In fact, Ben mentioned to Locke that it was his boat that Desmond was sailing with. Libby was the one who gave Des the boat and he eventually made it to the island. You now have to wonder if they are going to show a connection between Charles Widmore and Libby. Was she a person personally picked by Charles Widmore or is there an indirect connection?? I know that the actress (Elizabeth Watros) is supposed to make a few guest spots either this season or the next.

I cant believe in all my excitement of surmizing that episode I missed the connection between Desmond's boat and Charles Widmore. You now have to wonder if Widmore wanted Desmond to have the boat and has a tracker on it...but the EM frequency probably blocked out the signal. But the fact that Widmore has an obssesion with the island and Desmond has his boat and money to train...Widmore must have of known he would wander that way. He has a weird love/hate thing going with Desmond. He cant stand the fact that he is in love with his daughter, but he loves torturing him by not exactly kicking him to the street.

Just a few theory's of mine on the whole Desmond/Penny/Charles Widmore connection with this island and the story.

[K.C.]

You know something...I re-watched the Ben episode from two weeks ago. At the end of the episode, Ben revealed that Penny's father, Mr. Widmore was the one trying to locate the island. In fact, Ben mentioned to Locke that it was his boat that Desmond was sailing with. Libby was the one who gave Des the boat and he eventually made it to the island. You now have to wonder if they are going to show a connection between Charles Widmore and Libby. Was she a person personally picked by Charles Widmore or is there an indirect connection?? I know that the actress (Elizabeth Watros) is supposed to make a few guest spots either this season or the next.

I cant believe in all my excitement of surmizing that episode I missed the connection between Desmond's boat and Charles Widmore. You now have to wonder if Widmore wanted Desmond to have the boat and has a tracker on it...but the EM frequency probably blocked out the signal. But the fact that Widmore has an obssesion with the island and Desmond has his boat and money to train...Widmore must have of known he would wander that way. He has a weird love/hate thing going with Desmond. He cant stand the fact that he is in love with his daughter, but he loves torturing him by not exactly kicking him to the street.

Just a few theory's of mine on the whole Desmond/Penny/Charles Widmore connection with this island and the story.


I think they're going to at the very least show a connection between Libby and DHARMA...there's obviously a connection between Widmore and DHARMA.

As for Desmond...I tend to think that was more an act of fate than it was some elaborate plan set up by Widmore.

Then again...it could have be possible that Widmore was using Desmond as a sort of test subject to try and find the island.

But there's things that have happened in the other Desmond episodes that tend to suggest that he was pre-destined to go there really before he ever even showed up on Widmore's radar.

[IamFogHat]

Shit! I totally forgot the promo said someone is going to die tonight. Who do you think it is? I'm getting nervous already.

[Johnny Manf]

I'm totally expecting someone dumb like Karl.
Hopefully I'm surprised though.

[drusilla]

it all plays into the fascinating "timeloop" theory that was posted on line. The author suggests a time-loop theory that explains an awful lot - it explains the hatch, the monster, the others, ben, jacob etc...
again, its just a theory, but its nice to wrap your head around something until everything is finally revealed.

http://timelooptheory.com/index.htm

i'm reading the questions & answers page of the time loop website. worst explanation of the numbers ever. he shoulda just omitted that whole question.

[booster11373]

Tonight has been a very satisfying episode

[Doctor Manhattan]

I'm totally expecting someone dumb like Karl.
Hopefully I'm surprised though.

Good Call

[extracheese]

Why would Ben send them to die? Whats to gain by eliminating the 2 of them?
Its possible he told his people that Widmores people are coming to the Island and to defend at all costs....but he would have known that before sending the 3 to the Temple.

Im not sure how the "timeloop" theory would explain Michael/Walt getting off the Island, and not noticing the time difference.

Did they say that there are no new episodes until April 24th? What the hell am i supposed to do for the next 4 Thursday nights?

[Holes]

i'm reading the questions & answers page of the time loop website. worst explanation of the numbers ever. he shoulda just omitted that whole question.

He takes way too many liberties in his theory. I agree, his explanation of the numbers is terrible.

[ChrisTheCop]

Why would Ben send them to die? Whats to gain by eliminating the 2 of them?


They are the only other 2 people who Alex is close to. Karl is the boyfriend Ben never approved of and Her new found mom is definitely a threat to Ben's possessiveness. Ben got the idea to send them away as he was watching Karl's hand on his daughter's ass for God's sakes. They were sent to be killed by Richard and the others. I'm sure once we get back to Alex shouting "I'm Ben's daughter" Richard will step outta the wilderness and say, "We know, Alex. Youre safe now".

As for calling Karl's death, Bravo! But the double death was certainly a surprise to all.

Once again, thank you to Brian K Vaughn for a great episode... and another shout out perhaps? His last write he had the cowbell, and this time the Hotel Earl, where we found out for sure what we only assumed before about Tom.

[spadanko]

and we have confirmation that Aaron is part of the 6... if you watch the promos

[K.C.]

They are the only other 2 people who Alex is close to. Karl is the boyfriend Ben never approved of and Her new found mom is definitely a threat to Ben's possessiveness. Ben got the idea to send them away as he was watching Karl's hand on his daughter's ass for God's sakes. They were sent to be killed by Richard and the others. I'm sure once we get back to Alex shouting "I'm Ben's daughter" Richard will step outta the wilderness and say, "We know, Alex. Youre safe now".

As for calling Karl's death, Bravo! But the double death was certainly a surprise to all.

Once again, thank you to Brian K Vaughn for a great episode... and another shout out perhaps? His last write he had the cowbell, and this time the Hotel Earl.

Nah, it was Keamy the freighter guy...he left with Frank to go the island in Episode 7.

And now he's practicing his 'kill shots' in Episode 8 and we're not suppose to think something of it?

But that doesn't mean Ben wasn't the mastermind of this...this whole war with the freighter is a sham orchestrated by Ben from the beginning.

[Johnny Manf]

I was hoping I was going to be wrong about Karl.
But when there was only 5 minutes left in the show and it showed Alex and them walking through the jungle, well that pretty much confirmed it. I didnt think Danielle was gonna get shot though. So I guess Karl is dead but Danielle survives.

I thought the episode was good, but not great.
It pretty much just showed what Michael did the whole time he was gone to fill in the gaps.

And I guess we now know why Jack couldnt jump off the bridge and didnt look before crossing the street when he was going to the funeral. Apparently he cant die because he still has some work to do. So he wants to go back to the Island to finish his work so he can finally DIE!

[Piuki]

I, too, think that Ben was behind the shootings of Karl and Danielle. As we saw with Juliet and Goodwin, he does not take threats to his "possessions" lightly. I am devastated about Danielle, though.

How did everyone react to Sayid exposing Micheal to the captain? I haven't jumped on the "Ben is really a good guy" bandwagon....but something about that scene made me think Sayid was making a huge mistake. Anyone else get that feeling?

[IamFogHat]

Danielle won't be dead, they haven't told her backstory yet, which Cuselof have been saying they'd do for certain. I thought the ending was very odd and existential almost, I loved it.

[marky2bucks]

and we have confirmation that Aaron is part of the 6... if you watch the promos

Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun, Aaron.

Ben is off, but I assume he is not one of the six.

Who else thinks it is Michael in the casket now? I used to think Ben, but it wouldn't work as well

Is the spoiler text button supposed to look like whitey tighteys?

[Furtherman]

Just a terrific beginning of the fourth season. Any naysayers must have a lack of imagination. The Desmond episode was the best ever (so far) and the Flashback/Flashforward of Jin and Sun was kick-ass clever. I'd imagine everyone was confused until the very end. Just when you think all the gimmicks are out there, they throw you a new one. Just perfect for this show.

But... is Jin dead? I thought so... but now I've heard that Sun could be just going through the motions that he is to protect him and the other survivors. What could that reason be?

New episodes are currently being filmed. The next one: April 24th. Not that bad of a wait. It'll be here in no time.

[Doogie]

How about the revelation that Tom Friend (or is friendly? I forget) is gay...although I was re-watching season 3 recently with my GF. And there is that scene in the opening episode of that season when Kate is about to shower and Tom says "Ahhhh you arent my type." I said to her 'I think he's gay'...

I have to say thet Brian K Vaughn did a good job with that episode last night. Michael is the tragic figure. He will do anything to justify himself to his son. Even kill people and himself if necessary. I honestly feel for that character...No homo of course.

[fezident]

I promised myself I wouldn't come to this thread but, here I am.

CAN SOMEBODY EXPLAIN:
The importance of "Libby" and how she fits into the mosaic?

and

Hugos lucky/unlucky powers?


In my opinion, Hugo is the key. To everything.
Amazing things, both good and bad, were happening to him (and only him!) long before the crash. I've always felt as though he holds the key to a lot of the island's secrets.

I have a huge LOST theory of my own that I won't get into now but, one component is:

Hurley is pretty much the only character that behaves & reacts normally to the fantastical things that are happening all around them. The other characters, especially Ben, always seem to under-react to the amazing events. Hurley doesn't appear to be under the same emotional fog that everybody else is.

Hurley and Libby are the central pieces. They are the Luke and Leia (if you will) of this story.


HOW SAY YOU?

[ChrisTheCop]

Well, as for Ben under-reacting, I'd say it's cause he time travels and pretty much knows how things will turn out. Just look at him especially when he plays with Locke's head; he knows exactly what to say to make something happen, maybe because he's GroundHog Day'd it.

Lats night, I gotta admit, I was afraid they were just gonna hear Michael's story and say, "ok..thanx for the explanation. Now lets move along" But, I was happy to see Sayid react to what he had been told pretty much the way I would. (Even though it was poetic that he was mad at Mike for working for Ben even when we know he ends up doing so too).

Anywho, Libby is big in that she's been in Hurley's and Desmond's lives prior to the Island; we always knew she'd be back, as foreshadowed in the spider bite episode... She'll be back in a fuller role before this series ends.

Although my "father theory" has kinda gone by the wayside on the whole, I was happy to hear the "mamas and the papas", and it gave me hope that that old theory may still hold water.

[Doctor Manhattan]

...Anywho, Libby is big in that she's been in Hurley's and Desmond's lives prior to the Island; we always knew she'd be back, as foreshadowed in the spider bite episode... She'll be back in a fuller role before this series ends...

What do you mean?

[drusilla]

and we have confirmation that Aaron is part of the 6... if you watch the promos

i caught it & i still think it's gay

[spadanko]

i caught it & i still think it's gay

agreed

[Kevin]

Am I wrong or did we get a look at Naomi's Butt crack as she went into the ship after arguing with the pilot?

As for guessing what is going to happen, i gave up on that a long time ago, i am just rolling with the punches now.

[IamFogHat]

My brother and I saw that! Do you think it was something they missed? I thought it was great.

[Kevin]

Anyone else think that Bens daughter looks alot like a younger version of Dexter's crazy sponsor Lila?

[fezident]

I never thought that Bens/Rousseus daughter was hot until last nights episode. She's stunning!


Moving on: I read an interview with Damon Lindenof (sp?) and he mentioned that there was an explanation as to WHY Walt appeared so much taller and older. In other words.... it's not just because the kid actor went through puberty. Damon made it sound as though it was (also) a plot device.

Anybody??
Anybody???

[IamFogHat]

I never thought that Bens/Rousseus daughter was hot until last nights episode. She's stunning!




I meant to post this exact thing, I'm in your camp.

[cogsdoc]

Once again, thank you to Brian K Vaughn for a great episode... and another shout out perhaps? His last write he had the cowbell, and this time the Hotel Earl, where we found out for sure what we only assumed before about Tom.

I had this same thought when I watched. I was wondering whether it was my R&F obsession playing with my head, but then when Michael was in his room I heard Kurt Vonegut's name mentioned on the game show he was watching. That sealed the shout out for me. I felt the need to draw my wife's attention to this.

[drusilla]

I never thought that Bens/Rousseus daughter was hot until last nights episode. She's stunning!


Moving on: I read an interview with Damon Lindenof (sp?) and he mentioned that there was an explanation as to WHY Walt appeared so much taller and older. In other words.... it's not just because the kid actor went through puberty. Damon made it sound as though it was (also) a plot device.

Anybody??
Anybody???

i still can't get passed her being the weird nerdy girl from malcolm in the middle

[Ay Kay Forty2]

i still can't get passed her being the weird nerdy girl from malcolm in the middle

I always think the same thing. When they first introduced her in season 2, I was like hey, it's the chick from malcolm in the middle. Even Hayden Pattitere (sp) was in a couple episodes.

[Servo]

His last write he had the cowbell, and this time the Hotel Earl, where we found out for sure what we only assumed before about Tom.

I thought Hotel Earle was a reference to the Coen brothers' "Barton Fink."

[ChrisTheCop]

What do you mean?

Well, it was discussed back then (in this thread I believe) that, after the razzle dazzle character got killed off on her show, the actress who played her (later bitten by a spider on the island) was talking to her husband/director after the wrap party about the possibility of her coming back next season. She says, "You just killed me, I cant come back. Guest stars are meant to die" And he says, "Maybe you had a bullet proof vest"...etc...etc...talking about bringing back the character. Then, in the dvd extras that season, they show "Libby's" last day on set, and Lindeloff or Cuse was saying pretty much word for word at her wrap party what the old guy said at their wrap party. Then, the actress who plays Libby actually says to the camera crew, "I have a feeling I'll be seeing you again".

That + the "libby gives dez a boat" ep, and we pretty much knew she was more important than we thought.

[PD]

There will be more about Libby, but I think she is really dead;
she made a quick appearance in this last episode as a mirage, and we may see her in other ways- like more flashbacks for Hurley.

I still can't see Ben as being "one of the good guys" - he has always demonstrated that he does what he does for his (or the island's) benefit.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Well, it was discussed back then...That + the "libby gives dez a boat" ep, and we pretty much knew she was more important than we thought.

I see, I was thinking Libby was in that episode somehow.

The boat you mentioned and her appearance in Hurley's flashback make me sure she will be back in a big way.

[Furtherman]

Good news - TV Guide is saying that the Lost producers were able to give us another hour for this season. So we'll get one more extra episode.

[TooLowBrow]

Good news - TV Guide is saying that the Lost producers were able to give us another hour for this season. So we'll get one more extra episode.

this is the type of show where entire seasons and, probably, the entire show, shouldve been written previously to filming.
this extra hour is just going to be tacked on crap

[Furtherman]

this is the type of show where entire seasons and, probably, the entire show, shouldve been written previously to filming.
this extra hour is just going to be tacked on crap

Oh ye of little faith.

"We are very excited and grateful to [ABC president] Steve McPherson for working out the scheduling difficulties to allow us to make the second part of our finale two hours," says exec producer Carlton Cuse. "Damon and I were working on the script and we just couldn't get it all done in one hour without shortchanging the story. Now the finale will have all the sweep and emotional completeness we wanted it to have — along with, of course, answering who's in the coffin."

[PD]

I agree with furtherman;
Damon & Carlton have always been one's to want to tell a story "The Right Way"; I have confidence that the extra hour will be used properly- to try and make this season's story flow correctly.

[TooLowBrow]

I agree with furtherman;
Damon & Carlton have always been one's to want to tell a story "The Right Way"; I have confidence that the extra hour will be used properly- to try and make this season's story flow correctly.

if the show flowed correctly it would be over by now
this show ebbs and flows
it starts off every season with a new group that we get to know
then nothing happens...
during a few episodes a mystery will become exposed
as the season ends some, not all, of the mysteries are answered

it always seems to me that since the writers dont know when the show will end, they are constantly tacking on new plot ideas
'lost' has very good writers so the tacksusually work for the show. but it is tacking all the same

[IamFogHat]

it always seems to me that since the writers dont know when the show will http://www.ronfez.net/forums/images/skins/rf_blue/editor/menupop.gif
http://www.ronfez.net/forums/images/skins/rf_blue/editor/menupop.gif:huh:end, they are constantly tacking on new plot ideas
'lost' has very good writers so the tacksusually work for the show. but it is tacking all the same

They do know when the show is ending, it's over in 2010, where have you been?

[Furtherman]

if the show flowed correctly it would be over by now

it always seems to me that since the writers dont know when the show will end, they are constantly tacking on new plot ideas

Over by now? So you wanted three seasons. No more?

I don't think you've read up on the current status of the show. You'll have to trust us, it's all laid out.

[MM2]

Over by now? So you wanted three seasons. No more?

I don't think you've read up on the current status of the show. You'll have to trust us, it's all laid out.

Well I think JJ Abrams admitted that the show was originally supposed to be two seasons. Of course with the popularity that followed the first season ABC wanted more. I for one am happy about that!

With that said, I think the only epidsode you can really complain about is that one where they introduced the two new characters that were jewel theives and killed them off. Although the chick was hot, those characters were not needed and were obvious filler. Other then that, even the throw away episodes were decent.

You either have to get onboard for the entire ride, or get off, its easy as that.

[Doctor Manhattan]

With that said, I think the only epidsode you can really complain about is that one where they introduced the two new characters that were jewel theives and killed them off. Although the chick was hot, those characters were not needed and were obvious filler. Other then that, even the throw away episodes were decent.

They were introduced earlier in the season, then killed of in that episode you mention.

The writers admit there were filler episodes, that was the case because they did not know how long the show would be on at that point so they didn't want to go to fast in the overall story. Now they have an end date (or at least a specific number of episodes, 48 to be spilt up among 3 seasons, the WGA strike didn't change that, it just messed up the plan to have 3 uninterupted blocks of 16 shows per year) they won't need filler.

[MM2]

They were introduced earlier in the season, then killed of in that episode you mention.

The writers admit there were filler episodes, that was the case because they did not know how long the show would be on at that point so they didn't want to go to fast in the overall story. Now they have an end date (or at least a specific number of episodes, 48 to be spilt up among 3 seasons, the WGA strike didn't change that, it just messed up the plan to have 3 uninterupted blocks of 16 shows per year) they won't need filler.

Well that's the thing, I don't remember them being introduced, they were just "there", you know? Then they gave them their own episode that had nothing to do with anything. That's why I say that's the only episode you can really complain about, yes there were other filler episodes, but that one had nothing to do with anything.

[PD]

Well I think JJ Abrams admitted that the show was originally supposed to be two seasons. Of course with the popularity that followed the first season ABC wanted more. I for one am happy about that!

With that said, I think the only epidsode you can really complain about is that one where they introduced the two new characters that were jewel theives and killed them off. Although the chick was hot, those characters were not needed and were obvious filler. Other then that, even the throw away episodes were decent.

You either have to get onboard for the entire ride, or get off, its easy as that.

that episode was kind of a tribute to the X-Files.

Just wait for the Zombie Season.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Well that's the thing, I don't remember them being introduced, they were just "there", you know? Then they gave them their own episode that had nothing to do with anything. That's why I say that's the only episode you can really complain about, yes there were other filler episodes, but that one had nothing to do with anything.

The one point of the episode was that they were always just "there" (so they put them in classic moments from earlier shows) another point of the episode was to get rid of them, the head writers/executive producers (Damon and Carlton) realized that people didn't like them, or at least that was they said in their podcast.

The first time Nikki showed up on the show she yelled at Hurley "...when were planning on telling us this, Hurley?" about Jack, Kate and Sawyer being captured. This was just as Hurley arrived at the camp after being let go by the others, I guess she wanted him to text the beach people on his way there. This is how they introduce her to us, getting mad at the most loveable guy on the island for no reason. That is why I hated them. I did like their episode because it gave us some new scenes with Arzt and of course, Billy Dee Williams!

[AnnoyedGrunt]

Not to mention that episode had the "Razzle Dazzle" shout out. It might not have been integral to the plot of the series, but at least it was entertaining. I'd rather watch that than the one with the pointless flashback about Jack's tattoos, even if it did have a couple tidbits of plot mixed in.

[Doctor Manhattan]

...I'd rather watch that than the one with the pointless flashback about Jack's tattoos, even if it did have a couple tidbits of plot mixed in.

Was there any overall Lost plot in those flashacks? That is my least favorite episode, the tattoos aren't even really supposed to be part of the show, that's just tattoos that the guy has in real life and they worked it into the show to save on cover up/makeup issues. Jack's tattoos stink and I don't like them. Razzle Dazzle!

[AnnoyedGrunt]

I don't think there was anything worthwhile in those flashbacks, but in the rest of the episode we learned a couple things. It was 5 minutes of content, 20 minutes of a dull but inoffensive Other-centric plot and 15 minutes of the most pointless flashbacks of the series.

[Friday]

19 hours, 14 minutes, bitches! w00t!

[IamFogHat]

19 hours, 14 minutes, bitches! w00t!

Getting giddy over here.

[Furtherman]

Holy shnikes... I totally forgot it was on tonight. NICE.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Holy shnikes... I totally forgot it was on tonight. NICE.

Isn't that is the best? But if you didn't find out or remember until after it aired it would suck. What a fine line.

[Friday]

10 hours, 36 minutes! :laugh:

[Johnny Manf]

I'm pretty pumped.
I watched the 3 sneek peeks on docarzt.com and I totally got even more pumped.

[ChrisTheCop]

we all pump to the internet sometimes. it's normal.




I'm a litle disappointed they wont have the pop bubble repeat before tonight's ep,
AND that we have to wait an extra HOUR (and two minutes) !!!

BUt yeah, I'm excited.

[Doctor Manhattan]

8:15 to go!

[ChrisTheCop]

you waited all day for that dintcha?

[Friday]

I'm a litle disappointed they wont have the pop bubble repeat before tonight's ep,
AND that we have to wait an extra HOUR (and two minutes) !!!

BUt yeah, I'm excited.

If you want, you can be like me and watch the "Enhanced" pop up repeat in HD online tonight before the Main Event!

MeetKevinJohnson-Enhanced (http://dynamic.abc.go.com/streaming/landing?lid=ABCCOMGlobalMenu&lpos=FEP)

[Doctor Manhattan]

you waited all day for that dintcha?

in all seriousness I just noticed that it was coming up a few minutes before. :smoke:

<embed allowScriptAccess="never" enableJavaScript="false" src="http://www.lost4815162342.com/flash/countdownnano.swf" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="100" height="50"> To go!

[IamFogHat]

11 minutes people.

Also, if you want to help my chick out, her paper is liveblogging it, so we'll be doing that during the ep if anyone wants to join in.
http://connect2mason.com/lostlive_4/24/08

[ChrisTheCop]

lol to the edits Doc...

I had planned to come on here at 9:54pm and say "8:15 to go... 8 minutes, 15 seconds that is)

But you ruined it...even though your count down doesnt take in to account the 10:02 start.

[Epschtein]

hmmmm i had forgotten lost returned tonight, think im gonna stick with the NBA/NHL tho and download it off usenet later.

pretty good season so far, still hate all the storylines and important events that they just completely abandon. better than most stuff on tv tho.

[Doctor Manhattan]

<embed allowScriptAccess="never" enableJavaScript="false" src="http://www.lost4815162342.com/flash/countdown.swf" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="320" height="168"> + 2 Minutes

[ChrisTheCop]

T minus zero.

[Dougie Brootal]

here we go. im fnally all caught up! im so excited!!!

[IamFogHat]

This is crazy awesome and it's only fifteen in. Ben is a whole lot of ass kickery.

[Dougie Brootal]

i love ben!

[Dougie Brootal]

jesus christ every 3 minutes is an 8 minute commercial break! wtf!

[ChrisTheCop]

jesus christ every 3 minutes is an 8 minute commercial break! wtf!

corporate america aint stupid.
this is the most anticipated return episode of the season.

[Dougie Brootal]

corporate america aint stupid.
this is the most anticipated return episode of the season.

i know. just pisses me off cuz this is the 1st episode ive watched live with commercials. sucks.

[ChrisTheCop]

I agree. I usually watch after the tivo has already taped it and I can zoom past all the crap.

This is a tense ep, so it makes it even worse.

[drusilla]

i love ben!

i fucking hate ben

[Dougie Brootal]

awwww cmon he is so bad ass!

[drusilla]

i hate him & his beady little eyes

[Dougie Brootal]

hahaha his beady little eyes are his best feature!

[Dougie Brootal]

this isnt a 2 hr premier is it?

[Dougie Brootal]

i hate him & his beady little eyes
'dont stand there looking at me with those horrible eyes...'

hahahahaa

[IamPixie]

alex, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!:glurps::glurps::glurps:

[extracheese]

Thoughts about todays episode
Where to being.
Why cant ben kill Widmore?
How did ben summon the smog monster - and why did he use "it" only when he believed the rules were broken? Its clear the rules inlcude " dont kill my daughter and i wont kill yours".
I think Ben lied to sayid when he told him he got off the Island via Desmonds old boat...it seems clear Ben has more efficient means of getting people on/off the Island. Also - why cant widmore find the Island in the future - his frieghter found it easily enough.

Who were the 3 people killed ooutside bens hut? And if they were nobodies.,.where the hell have they been all this time?

I have been trying to see how these last few episodes play into the timeloop theory posted earlier ...and its getting harder and harder. example - the smog monster was supposed to be a natural phenomenon that restores the natural time line. etc.

[ChrisTheCop]

Cheese, b4 people start yelling at you,
you can put all that you said in a spoiler box by editing, and clicking the icon all the way to the right that looks like a mask http://www.ronfez.net/forums/images/skins/rf_blue/editor/spoiler.gif



(later that hour...) ahhh...so much better Cheese...youre the cheesiest!

[drusilla]

alex, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!:glurps::glurps::glurps:

that really really bothered me

& the same goes for the threat against penny



i felt like if i were sawyer & was standing there while ben let his daughter get shot in the head, i would have shot ben dead right there.

[Friday]

alex, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!:glurps::glurps::glurps:

ARRRRRGH!!!! Ben Planned it!! he is evil! (wonderful.... but evil..... )

this show is phucking crack.

ok i am only halfway through lol...

[ChrisTheCop]

DRusilla, it was his best ploy available. It just didnt work.
Cant hate him for trying.
she was the one person he ever truly loved... he was trying to save her by telling "the truth" about his actual relationship to her... it was desperation, and it failed...and now it's his reason for everything else he does. He's now a HUMAN! go figure

[Friday]

DRusilla, it was his best ploy available. It just didnt work.
Cant hate him for trying.
she was the one person he ever truly loved... he was trying to save her by telling "the truth" about his actual relationship to her... it was desperation, and it failed...and now it's his reason for everything else he does. He's now a HUMAN! go figure

i have to agree with this going forward.

but it kills me that he has such intimate contact with you know who at the end of the episode.

and makes me worry for the others left behind....

good start to the second half of the season. now i get to see how the other half lives.
i watched the first three seasons on HD Streaming within about 3 weeks... now I have to WAIT like the rest of you fools!!! :p

[ChrisTheCop]

Alan Dale (Charles Widmore) is in the new Indiana Jones movie,
altho it doesnt look like a big part.

[Epschtein]

good episode! but GODDAMN does one of the writers have a fuckin' hard-on for the "wave your hand over the face of the dead to close theirs eyes" scene!

they must have pulled that shit a dozen times by now, everytime someone dies i try to figure out who is going to close their eyes lol.

[ChrisTheCop]

good episode! but GODDAMN does one of the writers have a fuckin' hard-on for the "wave your hand over the face of the dead to close theirs eyes" scene!

they must have pulled that shit a dozen times by now, everytime someone dies i try to figure out who is going to close their eyes lol.

Well, the eye is an integral part of the show.
Remember, almost every ep in season one (and a few since) started with a closed eye opening. And just as the girl who got bit by the spider was being buried, her eyes opened.

Eyes may be just as important as fathers in this show.

(my father theory definitely gained some ground this week!)

[Friday]

good episode! but GODDAMN does one of the writers have a fuckin' hard-on for the "wave your hand over the face of the dead to close theirs eyes" scene!

they must have pulled that shit a dozen times by now, everytime someone dies i try to figure out who is going to close their eyes lol.

well... in their defense, have you ever seen a dead body with open eyes?

it's truly disheartening and the first impulse as a human is to push the lids shut.
you just have to do it. i would think even if you don't know the person.

totally morbid, but i had to do this for my mom in her hospital bed the night she died.
it really is one of the most TRUE moments the writers capture.

[Epschtein]

i agree but for me they have done it so many times now that it has lost any poignancy and has become comical.

[Friday]

i agree but for me they have done it so many times now that it has lost any poignancy and has become comical.

then i guess you should experience the full act in real life to bring it back to reality for ya :bye:

[Epschtein]

i found my father dead in his apartment in 2001, he had been dead several days and his eyes were open, i didnt feel the need to shut them. not that that has anything to do with the fact that i think writers can overuse things and cause them to lose some of their meaning.

people have different opinions. :bye:

[ChrisTheCop]

stop waving at eachother and read what someone who over analyzes the show and its meanings has to say (my post above!!)

maybe theres a REASON they use it too much.
To reiterate, have you ever counted the number of times they say "father" or "dad" in this show??!! but I digress.

[drusilla]

DRusilla, it was his best ploy available. It just didnt work.
Cant hate him for trying.
she was the one person he ever truly loved... he was trying to save her by telling "the truth" about his actual relationship to her... it was desperation, and it failed...and now it's his reason for everything else he does. He's now a HUMAN! go figure

just made no sense to me that ben of all people would trust them to do the right thing. he wasn't dealing with jack & that whole crew, he was dealing with people who were truly out to get him.

[ChrisTheCop]

exactly. even the asian guy said "dont treat me like I'm one of THEM. (the survivors)" His mind tricks dont work on everyone. He is fallible. But he TRIED to save her, the best he knew how... he just didnt have the right ammo. We discover that he actually loves her; perhaps the only thing he loves more than her, is the island.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Really enjoyed the show last night. Anthing without Jack Kate or Juliet always seem to be more interesting . Ending was great. Evolution of Ben now being a "good guy" is great.

[Servo]

Anyone else notice a tattoo on Jack's forearm in the opening scene that was there in one shot and gone in the next, as he was going through the medication in the case?

[Doctor Manhattan]

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[Furtherman]

Thoughts about todays episode

I think Ben lied to sayid when he told him he got off the Island via Desmonds old boat...

Who were the 3 people killed ooutside bens hut? And if they were nobodies.,.where the hell have they been all this time?


Ben arrived in the middle east through some kind of teleportation. Somewhere cold. He had that parka on. That was great when he went all taliben on the taliban.

The three people who were killed were survivors of the crash... they went with Locke, just as some when with Jack to the beach. Just background players, who have now saved production costs by being killed! I laughed when the guy says one line to Sawyer then BAM. Thanks for playing.

That was pretty brutal the way Alex went out. Crying and on her knees. That guy didn't even finish counting to 10.

And yea, why can't he kill Widmore? Great episode.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Ben arrived in the middle east through some kind of teleportation. Somewhere cold. He had that parka on. That was great when he went all taliben on the taliban.

It seemed like they cut to Ben right after the teleportation special effect would be seen, like the "Terminator bubble" or "Back to the Future Lighting and fire trails" had just disappeared. And what was Ben drinking or eating before to make his vomit that colour?

I noticed that during the final scene Ben was dressed in black, Widmore in white (One of the themes they keep repeating on the show, hopefully not too much for some of you), and while he had a British accent in past episodes he was now using an Australian accent when speaking with Ben.

[ChrisTheCop]

And yea, why can't he kill Widmore?

I dont think he "cant" I think he wants Widmore to feel the pain he feels.


I noticed that during the final scene ... he had a British accent in past episodes he was now using an Australian accent when speaking with Ben.

Yeah, I actually had to imdb to make sure it was the same actor. I was like "wow, he sure LOOKS like the guy, but his voice is different." lol.

[drusilla]

I dont think he "cant" I think he wants Widmore to feel the pain he feels.


i was thinking the same thing. killing him wouldn't technically hurt widmore, just the people around him. this way he's going to feel the same terrible pain he feels. & i'm honestly not shocked that he is so hurt. you raise someone from childhood you're going to care for them. ben was always human to me with feelings, it showed when he was jealous over juliet & goodwin. but i still don't like him.

[Furtherman]

"He changed the rules."

Was Ben talking about Widmore? Or maybe Jacob?

Ben always seemed to know what will happen... probably because of some kind of time traveling device... that's why he was always ahead... but the death of Alex shocked him and that's the first thing he said.

[MM2]

I dont think he "cant" I think he wants Widmore to feel the pain he feels

I think that's true, but I also got the impression from Ben saying "he's changed the rules" that there is some sort of rules to this war for the island. Like its some game between Ben and Widmore, whether they were rules written in stone or were like unspoken rules, I don't know.

[MM2]

"He changed the rules."

Was Ben talking about Widmore? Or maybe Jacob?

Ben always seemed to know what will happen... probably because of some kind of time traveling device... that's why he was always ahead... but the death of Alex shocked him and that's the first thing he said.

Oh? I didn't think of that, I assumed he meant Widmore.

[Servo]

Oh? I didn't think of that, I assumed he meant Widmore.

He did mean Widmore. Ben says it to him when he went to see him at the end.

Anybody catch that tattoo thing?

[drusilla]

what tattoo thing?

[Doctor Manhattan]

what tattoo thing?

I barely pay attention to Jack. He is probably my least favorite of the major characters that are still living.

[Servo]

what tattoo thing?

The first scene with Jack and Kate on the beach... Jack is going through a suitcase looking for medication. There is a shot where a large tattoo is visible on Jack's left forearm, and then it's not there in a later shot.

If anyone has it DVR'd check it out. It's definitely there!

[Tall_James]

What about when Ben opened the door behind the closet to the rock wall with all the strange symbols on it? That says to me that the smoke monster is a very old creation, long before the Others or anyone else arrived.

[AnnoyedGrunt]

The first scene with Jack and Kate on the beach... Jack is going through a suitcase looking for medication. There is a shot where a large tattoo is visible on Jack's left forearm, and then it's not there in a later shot.

If anyone has it DVR'd check it out. It's definitely there!

Wait, Jack has a tattoo on his forearm? At first I thought you were talking about the big 5 vanishing, but I guess I don't pay that much attention to Dr. Dull.

I don't know if we still need spoiler tags for talking about last night, but just in case
What a rough half hour for Alex. First she sees her boyfriend and mother killed and then the last thing she ever hears is her father saying how little she means to him.

Ben is by far my favourite thing on the show right now. I hope the show ends with him winning in some way.

[K.C.]

This is the comprehensive list of every real-time character we've seen (no flashbacks) and their status as of the last episode.

I'll put it in the spoiler tags just to be safe:




+ -denotes dead
* -denotes dead in flash-forward
# -denotes not on the island or freighter

Cockpit Survivors
Pilot Seth Norris+ (cause of death - killed by the Smoke Monster)

Fuselage Survivors (48 Survivors - 30 alive, 11 dead)
Jack Shephard
John Locke
Kate Austen
Sayid Jarrah
Hugo Reyes
James Ford
Charlie Pace+ (cause of death - drown in the DHARMA station 'The Looking Glass')
Jin-Soo Kwon* (cause of death - unknown)
Sun-Hwa Kwon
Claire Littleton
Aaron Littleton
Rose Nadler
Michael Dawson
Walt Lloyd#
Boone Carlyle+ (cause of death - internal injuries after being crushed by a beechcraft plane)
Shannon Rutherford+ (cause of death - shot by Ana-Lucia Cortez)
Leslie Arzt+ (cause of death - blown up by dynamite from the Black Rock)
Edward Mars+ (cause of death - euthanized by Jack Shepherd after fatal injuries from 815 crash and wound from James Ford)
Vincent
Sullivan
Lance
Steve Jenkins+ (cause of death - killed by Martin Keamy and strike team)
Neil Frogurt
Craig
Richard
Jerome+ (cause of death - killed by Martin Keamy and strike team)
Doug+ (cause of death - killed by Martin Keamy and strike team)
Tracy
Scott Jackson+ (cause of death - murdered by Ethan Rom)
Joanna Miller+ (cause of death - drowned)
One deceased+ (cause of death - killed by Martin Keamy and strike team)


Tail Section Survivors (22 survivors - 14 alive, 8 dead)
Ana-Lucia Cortez+ (cause of death - shot by Michael Dawson)
Eko Tunde+ (cause of death - killed by the Smoke Monster)
Libby+ (cause of death - shot by Michael Dawson)
Bernard Nadler
Cindy Chandler (kidnapped by The Others)
Zack (kidnapped by The Others)
Emma (kidnapped by The Others)
Nathan+ (cause of death - killed by Goodwin)
Donald+ (cause of death - infection from injuries suffered in the crash of Oceanic Flight 815)
Three deceased+ (cause of death - injuries from the crash of Oceanic Flight 815)
Ten missing tailies (presumed kidnapped by The Others)

The Others
Benjamin Linus
Juliet Burke
Richard Alpert
Harper Stanhope
Tom+ (cause of death - shot by James Ford)
Mikhail Bauknin+ (cause of death - blew himself up to detonate 'The Looking Glass')
Alex Rousseau+ (cause of death - executed by Martin Keamy)
Karl+ (cause of death - shot by Martin Keamy)
Ethan Rom+ (cause of death - shot by Charlie Pace)
Goodwin+ (cause of death - stabbed by Ana Lucia)
Bea Klugh+ (cause of death - shot by Mikhail Bauknin)
Danny Pickett+ (cause of death - shot by Juliet Burke)
Colleen Pickett+ (cause of death - shot by Sun-Hwa Kwon)
Ryan Pryce+ (cause of death - ran over by Hugo Reyes in the DHARMA van during the beach raid)
Isabel+ (cause of death - unknown)
Sabine+ (cause of death - child birth)
Henriette+ (cause of death - child birth)
Matthew+ (cause of death - shot by Jin-Soo Kwon in the beach raid)
Luke+ (cause of death - shot by Jin-Soo Kwon in the beach raid)
Jason+ (cause of death - neck snapped by Sayid Jarrah in the beach raid)
Ivan+ (cause of death - explosion triggered by the 815 survivors during the beach raid)
Diane+ (cause of death - explosion triggered by the 815 survivors during the beach raid)
Bonnie+ (cause of death - shot by Mikhail Bauknin in 'The Looking Glass')
Greta+ (cause of death - shot by Mikhail Bauknin in 'The Looking Glass')
Aldo+ (cause of death - unknown)
Amelia
Adam
Molotov Woman
The Twins
The Musician
Two killed by Mr. Eko on the first night and the Tailies camp+
One killed by Ana Lucia at the Tailies camp+

Outsiders
Danielle Rousseau+ (cause of death - shot by Martin Keamy)
Robert+ (cause of death - killed by Danielle Rousseau)
Montand+ (cause of death - killed by Danielle Rousseau)
Desmond Hume
Henry Gale+ (cause of death - unknown)

Freighter People/Widmore Industries
Charles Widmore#
Matthew Abbadon#
Ishmael Bakir* (cause of death - shot by Sayid Jarrah)
Ilsa* (cause of death - shot by Sayid Jarrah)
Mr. Avellino* (cause of death - shot by Sayid Jarrah)
Captain Gault
Daniel Faraday
Charlotte S. Lewis
Miles Straume
Frank Lapidus
Martin Keamy
Omar
Ray+ (cause of death - unknown)
Regina+ (cause of death - suicide)
Naomi Dorrit+ (cause of death - killed by John Locke)
George Minkowski+ (cause of death - brain aneurysm from being unstuck in time)
Brandon+ (cause of death - brain aneurysm from being unstuck in time)
Unknown number of freighties+ (cause of death - killed by the Smoke Monster)

DHARMA Initiative
Alvar Hanso
Dr. Marvin Candle
Gerald DeGroot
Karen DeGroot
Alvar Hanso
Kelvin Joe Inman+ (cause of death - killed accidentally by Desmond Hume)
Radzinsky+ (cause of death - suicide)
Roger Linus+ (cause of death - killed by Benjamin Linus)
Horace Goodspeed+ (cause of death - the DHARMA purge)
Wayne+ (cause of death - the DHARMA purge)
Fern+ (cause of death - the DHARMA purge)
Buzz+ (cause of death - the DHARMA purge)

Unknown Allegiance
Penelope Widmore#
Henrik#
Mathias#
Nadia Abed Jazeem+ (cause of death - killed by Ishmael Bakir)
Christian Shephard+ (cause of death - heartattack)

[Friday]

I am re-watching this now as i have dinner and i definitely noticed the tattoo in the one medicine chest clip and then the next one it is gone. BUT, jack does have a tattoo on his forearm... it is clearly visible in the first beach scene after the opener.
So i am just thinking the first shot went deeper on the forearm than the second.

[MagillaGorillaz]

Did anyone get the feeling that Hurley saying Austriallia is the key to the whole game was talking about the "game" between Ben and Widmore.
And at the hotel Ben asked if it was October 2005. That means it is a year after they crashed on the island. I thought that was important. And was the coffin that Jack went to the same as Sayid's wife. They didn't answer that completly.

[ChrisTheCop]

I rewatched the ep tonight. I tried to pay attention to the tattoo, but got involved in the story and forgot.

But from what I can tell, the tattoo on jack's left inner forearm is in every shot.

I felt even worse for Ben the 2nd time around. Weird.

[Epschtein]

did you think from the little smirk he gave while walking away from sayid (after he shot that guy) that ben played sayid and that the guy they shot didnt really kill sayid's wife?

or was he just smirking because he baited sayid into joining the cause?

i was a little disappointed that there was no update on what is going on back aboard the ship, it was a good episode tho because i didnt even realize that there were no scenes from the ship until it was over.

oh, and i still cant feel bad for ben, there will have to be some revelation that proves he is doing this for an unquestionably good reason for me to forget all the shit he has pulled.
that was quite the miserable end for his "daughter" tho, yikes.

[ChrisTheCop]

Has Ben ever directly killed anyone himself?

Perhaps it's part of the rules that he cant kill anyone, although he can have them killed.
Which is why he's happy to have a trained killer like Sayid all motivated to be on his side.

Ok, he killed his Dad, but that was before he gained the power of the island...
anyone else? I'm drawing a blank here.

[MagillaGorillaz]

Has Ben ever directly killed anyone himself?

Perhaps it's part of the rules that he cant kill anyone, although he can have them killed.
Which is why he's happy to have a trained killer like Sayid all motivated to be on his side.

Ok, he killed his Dad, but that was before he gained the power of the island...
anyone else? I'm drawing a blank here.

The only one I can think of is Locke. Everyone else does the killing for him.

[ChrisTheCop]

The only one I can think of is Locke. Everyone else does the killing for him.

riiiight... perhaps he's INCAPABLE of killing anyone,
like even when he shot Locke, it was cuz he was jealous over Jacob, but he knew Locke wouldnt die.......

[AnnoyedGrunt]

He did shoot Locke with the intention of killing him, but that didn't work out. I don't know, you might consider setting Smokey loose on those mercs the same as killing someone. It would be like me throwing a cobra at you and trying to argue 'Hey, I didn't kill him. The venom did.'

[TooLowBrow]

he can kill if he WANTS to. or else why would he grab guns on various occasions? i think he cant kill charles for the same reason that michael couldnt drive into a wall and die.

[ChrisTheCop]

well, maybe he can shoot to wound people, like he did Locke. guns arent just for killing!

I'm working on theories heeyah!!

[Furtherman]

Has Ben ever directly killed anyone himself?

He killed that solider in the desert.

[MM2]

He killed that solider in the desert.

I'm not going along with the angle of not being able to kill, but you don't know that the solider is dead. Just like Locke, he could still be alive. But I think Locke survived because he's on the island, so most likely the solider is dead.

[Ay Kay Forty2]

Has Ben ever directly killed anyone himself?

Perhaps it's part of the rules that he cant kill anyone, although he can have them killed.
Which is why he's happy to have a trained killer like Sayid all motivated to be on his side.

Ok, he killed his Dad, but that was before he gained the power of the island...
anyone else? I'm drawing a blank here.

I think he may have killed the original Henry Gale. Could have broke his neck. The producers said that they want to show Ben and Henry Gale have "words" with each other. Henry Gale could be a representative of Widmore.

[JustJon]

Does gassing the entire original Others village count as killing people?

[ChrisTheCop]

Does gassing the entire original Others village count as killing people?

You of course mean the Dharma group... but no, Not directly...he had that done... besides, as my theory goes, that was BEFORE he gained the leadership of the ancients--I mean, others.

[IamFogHat]

Cool Ain'tItCoolNews interview with Michael Emerson.
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/36558
Not spoilery.

[Dougie Brootal]

Does gassing the entire original Others village count as killing people?

You of course mean the Dharma group... but no, Not directly...he had that done... besides, as my theory goes, that was BEFORE he gained the leadership of the ancients--I mean, others.

he gassed his own dad in the truck. on his birthday.

and locke killed naomi too.

[ChrisTheCop]

Again, before he became leader/savior of the Island people!

Reading comprehension people!! lol.
It's just a throwout theory, which does not replace my best theory (father theory),
but cmon, read it b4 you poo poo it.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Has Ben ever directly killed anyone himself?

He shot that guy in desert, and he shot Locke. You can argue that he knew Locke would not die but for the guy in the desert, I don't think so. I would argue that he sent people to their death. It is not "direct", but then you could argue that shooting isn't direct and the Bullets are what killed (or tried to kill) those guys.

He released the smoke monster which seems to have killed the mercenaries from the freighter. I think Ben can kill and he has.

[Epschtein]

he shot that russian guy out in the woods in the snow, but they never did confirm if that guy died or not, keep waiting for them to return to that storyline...

[Doctor Manhattan]

he shot that russian guy out in the woods in the snow, but they never did confirm if that guy died or not, keep waiting for them to return to that storyline...

:lol:

[Dougie Brootal]

Again, before he became leader/savior of the Island people!

Reading comprehension people!! lol.
It's just a throwout theory, which does not replace my best theory (father theory),
but cmon, read it b4 you poo poo it.

oh sorry, i guess i read it too fast!

[Friday]

things that make me sad:

1. they never found the ring that Charlie left in the babies crib on the beach and 2. Claire was never given the LIST that Charlie made just before his death at the end of season 3.

i just had to get that off my chest...

[Doctor Manhattan]

things that make me sad:

1. they never found the ring that Charlie left in the babies crib on the beach and 2. Claire was never given the LIST that Charlie made just before his death at the end of season 3.

i just had to get that off my chest...

I don't understand why this is a spoiler but:

What happened with that list? Who did Charlie give it to before he left for his mission?

[Epschtein]

hmmm apparently my memory sucks, charlie knocked out desmond and put the note in his pocket right? then dove down to the station?

did desmond give charlie back the note once he got down there too?

[Friday]

hmmm apparently my memory sucks, charlie knocked out desmond and put the note in his pocket right? then dove down to the station?

did desmond give charlie back the note once he got down there too?

i just made it a spoiler for the people who are way behind, like Opie. :)

Desmond never found the note as far as I can remember. But yeah, it was put in his pocket by Charlie.

and who knows what is going on with the cradle. they didn't take it to the village, but now that they are heading back to the beach maybe Claire will find it..... ooo00ooo

[K.C.]

i just made it a spoiler for the people who are way behind, like Opie. :)

Desmond never found the note as far as I can remember. But yeah, it was put in his pocket by Charlie.

and who knows what is going on with the cradle. they didn't take it to the village, but now that they are heading back to the beach maybe Claire will find it..... ooo00ooo

Desmond found the note in his shirt pocket right before Mikhail started firing at him.

I'm sure they wrote it off as him having lost it during his swim to The Looking Glass.

The ring was never found.

[Johnny Manf]

TONIGHT MAY 1ST
Jack's health is seriously compromised, forcing Kate and Juliet to work together to save him. Meanwhile, something goes wrong as Sawyer, Claire, Aaron and Miles continue their trek from Locke's camp to the beach.

[Doctor Manhattan]

"Something goes wrong" can be applied to just about every episode of Lost so far.:tongue:

[Doctor Manhattan]

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/719/815qk5.jpg to go!

[ChrisTheCop]

"Something goes wrong" can be applied to just about every episode of Lost so far.:tongue:


lol.. i laughed too when i read that "something goes wrong..."
I think theyre lost on Gilligan's Island, and Sawyer is skipper to Hurley's gilligan.

.....Sayid's the professor, Kate is MaryAnne, Juliet Ginger, Jin and Sun are Mr and Mrs Howell,

and the rest.

[Dan 'Hampton]

I'm just going to say right now that from that synopsis I don't have high hopes for tonight.

[Epschtein]

its time brother.

[ChrisTheCop]

Seriously, Greys Anatomy gets to leak into OUR show 2 weeks in a fucking row???

LOST is the reason people are tuning in at 10, not some soap opera that should be on during the afternoon. I understood it last week, big return of the big show, everyone wants in...but 2 weeks??!!! STOP!!!


interesting...no appendix scar in the breakfast/shower scene......

[booster11373]

The characters of Lost all like to do things the hard way and take the long way to things

[ChrisTheCop]

The characters of Lost all like to do things the hard way and take the long way to things

I thought of people like you when they had to explain why Jack couldnt just go to the medical station. "We better explain or else THEY are gonna be blogging tomorrow"

Much better episode than I expected, what with it being Jack-centric.

I like that Miles could also see Christian, so it wasnt just in Claire's head...even though he can see the dead.

[Doctor Manhattan]

interesting...no appendix scar in the breakfast/shower scene......

The Island healed it?

[ChrisTheCop]

The Island healed it?

yep. sorry. forgot about that... but now that you pointed that out,
what a great consistency catch by the writers! love this show.

[extracheese]

so we learn that Kate and Jack were an item before he goes druggie and she leaves him. Not sure what Sawyer asked Kate to do for him before she left the Island - maybe visit Sawyers daughter? I dont think Kate told Jack that those left on the Island are alive back there. Knowing how jealous Jack can get...Kate should have told him about Sawyers request.
Is the smoke detector a nod to the smoke monster? The smoke monster could appear as Christian sheppard in the waiting room, and again in the woods before taking Claire.

[Drunky McBetidont]

so we learn that Kate and Jack were an item before he goes druggie and she leaves him. Not sure what Sawyer asked Kate to do for him before she left the Island - maybe visit Sawyers daughter? I dont think Kate told Jack that those left on the Island are alive back there. Knowing how jealous Jack can get...Kate should have told him about Sawyers request.
Is the smoke detector a nod to the smoke monster? The smoke monster could appear as Christian sheppard in the waiting room, and again in the woods before taking Claire.


your smoke detector theory is brilliant.

i am sure ben is behind all the visions then, which makes perfect sense since we have seen what he can do with the smoke.


btw, fez.. errr i mean hurley fucking rules!!!

we are all dead!!! all of the oceanic six.

overall i give this episode a 9/10

[PD]

this series is so much crack-
give a little answer, ask another question.

like what happened to Claire

[King Imp]

What was the name of the woman Kate said was on the phone when Jack walked in? Was it Cassidy?

We know Kate is doing something for Sawyer and we know that Kate and Cassidy once met up. I'm assuming Sawyer asked Kate to help out with his baby when she got back and that's who she went to see.

Oh, and how long before the others of O6 start seeing people which will drive them nuts? I'm guessing Kate sees Sawyer, Sun will see Jin and Sayid will see Shannon (only one I could think of that he really cared for).

[ChrisTheCop]

What was the name of the woman Kate said was on the phone when Jack walked in? Was it Cassidy?

We know Kate is doing something for Sawyer and we know that Kate and Cassidy once met up. I'm assuming Sawyer asked Kate to help out with his baby when she got back and that's who she went to see.

Oh, and how long before the others of O6 start seeing people which will drive them nuts? I'm guessing Kate sees Sawyer, Sun will see Jin and Sayid will see Shannon (only one I could think of that he really cared for).

She said it was "Noreen" but yeah, I think Cassidy will be seen again.

[drusilla]

Seriously, Greys Anatomy gets to leak into OUR show 2 weeks in a fucking row???

LOST is the reason people are tuning in at 10, not some soap opera that should be on during the afternoon. I understood it last week, big return of the big show, everyone wants in...but 2 weeks??!!! STOP!!!


interesting...no appendix scar in the breakfast/shower scene......

that fucking extra minute or so that grey's airs is the reason my dvr won't record both shows. its annoying the shit out of me. i liked it better when they were on separate days.

[Friday]

that fucking extra minute or so that grey's airs is the reason my dvr won't record both shows. its annoying the shit out of me. i liked it better when they were on separate days.

i was just happy my dvr recorded the full episode... i get scared when i am not home and have to rely on the recording. those extra minutes really do mess you up.

watching it right now for the 2nd time and there is still so much to absorb.
but i love reading the theories posted here. it makes re-watching so much more involved for me. yay!


Edit:
Observation - what ROSE says about Jack getting sick on the island. 'people don't get sick her, they get better'. Does anyone think this was a sinister act?

[booster11373]

I thought of people like you when they had to explain why Jack couldnt just go to the medical station. "We better explain or else THEY are gonna be blogging tomorrow"

Much better episode than I expected, what with it being Jack-centric.

I like that Miles could also see Christian, so it wasnt just in Claire's head...even though he can see the dead.

People like me?

you dont know me "Mister super Lost fan" I made a few comments with my frustrations on the show so wtf is your problem with it?

As a matter of fact my last 2 posts in this thread were positive about how Im happy with the season.

Maybe I should run all my ideas by you first before I post them. that why you can approve of people like me before we post something you dont find agreeable

[Doctor Manhattan]

People like me?

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"What do you mean 'you people'?"

"What do You mean 'you people'?"

[PD]

i was just happy my dvr recorded the full episode... i get scared when i am not home and have to rely on the recording. those extra minutes really do mess you up.

watching it right now for the 2nd time and there is still so much to absorb.
but i love reading the theories posted here. it makes re-watching so much more involved for me. yay!


Edit:
Observation - what ROSE says about Jack getting sick on the island. 'people don't get sick her, they get better'. Does anyone think this was a sinister act?

the official time is 10:01 (as per the podcast). My cablevision DVR seems to get that - but I can check it before and edit that individual show if need be.

as for the spoiler, I think not- I think it was a very good question- the Island seems to have control over those kind of things. It did allow Ben to get a tumor near his spine, although that led to Jack being important and introduced to Juliet.

This was an episode that makes me wish that they didn't stop making the "enhanced" episodes- as I read threads I see I missed a number of things.

[Doctor Manhattan]

the official time is 10:01 (as per the podcast).

I just relistened to the offical Lost podcast (released April 25th with Damon and Calton previewing last night's episode) and the announcer says "......which airs this coming Thursday, May 1st, at 10 PM on ABC and is available the next day at abc.com." he doesn't say 10:01.

I didn't relisten to the whole thing just the opening. Did Damon and Calton say it? I don't remember any mention of the time it airs.

I did find it odd that the announcer did not say anything about Time Zone. I assume Lost is on at 10PM on the East, 9PM Central.

[ChrisTheCop]

People like me?

you dont know me "Mister super Lost fan" I made a few comments with my frustrations on the show so wtf is your problem with it?

As a matter of fact my last 2 posts in this thread were positive about how Im happy with the season.

Maybe I should run all my ideas by you first before I post them. that why you can approve of people like me before we post something you dont find agreeable

woah....booster.....woah....

by "people like you" i meant people who would say "why dont they do things the easy way?" and there are many many people who say that after each episode.

i did not mean to imply that i was any better at watching the show, or a bigger fan than you. geez, you people.

http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/special/00/talltx/perot.jpg

In retrospect, I shouldve said "I thought about the people who always ask that question", but 'you people' just seemed quicker. I did not mean to offend, and I'm sorry I did. Any Lost fan is a budday of mine.

[ChrisTheCop]

I just relistened to the offical Lost podcast (released April 25th with Damon and Calton previewing last night's episode) and the announcer says "......which airs this coming Thursday, May 1st, at 10 PM on ABC and is available the next day at abc.com." he doesn't say 10:01.

I didn't relisten to the whole thing just the opening. Did Damon and Calton say it? I don't remember any mention of the time it airs.

I did find it odd that the announcer did not say anything about Time Zone. I assume Lost is on at 10PM on the East, 9PM Central.

Time works... differently..when it comes to Lost.
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[JustJon]

I'm sorry if I get this quote off a little bit...

"He's not your blood"

Does this mean Jack knows that Aaron is his nephew or was he just saying that to spite Kate?

[Doctor Manhattan]

I love how they do that. With the way Jack worded it, it could go either way. They don't want to answer too many questions at once.

My guess is that he does know, Since both Jack and Claire saw their dead father in the same episode (even if not in the same time frame) I have a feeling that their connection is about to be revealed to them.

[PD]

I just relistened to the offical Lost podcast (released April 25th with Damon and Calton previewing last night's episode) and the announcer says "......which airs this coming Thursday, May 1st, at 10 PM on ABC and is available the next day at abc.com." he doesn't say 10:01.

I didn't relisten to the whole thing just the opening. Did Damon and Calton say it? I don't remember any mention of the time it airs.

I did find it odd that the announcer did not say anything about Time Zone. I assume Lost is on at 10PM on the East, 9PM Central.

listen at the very end; I'm pretty sure they say "at the new time".

of course, Lost has distorted my memory....

[Furtherman]

Is the smoke detector a nod to the smoke monster? The smoke monster could appear as Christian sheppard in the waiting room, and again in the woods before taking Claire.

Fantastic catch! HA! I love it.

I did not like seeing Hurley that way. I did like Rose's sass when she said "Watch what you say RED!"

[extracheese]

Speaking of RED...i noticed she and her buddy grabbed a hell of alot of stuff and shoved them in their pockets (bsides the basics they came for) and they looked around guiltily while doing it. methinks RED will use it to knock people out with in later episodes.

[fezident]

The smoke monster is my least favorite aspect of this show. I'm tempted to say that the series would be better without it. IMO, it's the weakest link. When they first arrived, it was a constant presence, now... only when it's convenient. Time with smokey is time AWAY from the characters and stories.
And... it's the aspect of the show that is the most science fiction-y and therefore, it will be the hardest to explain.

Damon Lindleof (sp?) said, in no uncertain terms, that "all the characters are alive... they are not in hell, purgatory, or limbo. All the events take place in our time and in our dimension." The smoke monster kinda takes away from that.




In addition, I am quite distracted by Kate's teeth.

[Holes]

Miles: "Good Morning."
Sawyer: "It's too early for Chinese."

That made me laugh.

[Doctor Manhattan]

And... it's the aspect of the show that is the most science fiction-y and therefore, it will be the hardest to explain.

Damon Lindleof (sp?) said, in no uncertain terms, that "all the characters are alive... they are not in hell, purgatory, or limbo. All the events take place in our time and in our dimension." The smoke monster kinda takes away from that.

But Lost is a Sci Fi show, it just doesn't look like one. The mystery of everything is not solved by being dead or dreaming the events on the island, but that does not mean it's not fantasy or science fiction.

[Doogie]

The smoke monster is my least favorite aspect of this show. I'm tempted to say that the series would be better without it. IMO, it's the weakest link. When they first arrived, it was a constant presence, now... only when it's convenient. Time with smokey is time AWAY from the characters and stories.
And... it's the aspect of the show that is the most science fiction-y and therefore, it will be the hardest to explain.

Damon Lindleof (sp?) said, in no uncertain terms, that "all the characters are alive... they are not in hell, purgatory, or limbo. All the events take place in our time and in our dimension." The smoke monster kinda takes away from that.


In addition, I am quite distracted by Kate's teeth.

Well when you look at any mythology there is always a monster. Whether that monster is a metaphor for man, or a substitute there is always a monster. In some mythological stories you only see them monster for a limited amount of time. If I recall correctly with the story of Perseus they dont dwell on the monsters for a length of time, but rather as almost a secondary, yet exhilerating, aspect of a story. The monster is used to demonstrate their antagonists abilities whether those abilities are heroic, cowardly, so forth.

The smoke monster in 'Lost' is nothing more than a sub-plot used to demonstrate how the main characters react to it. Locke choose to face it, as did Eko. They were characters who believed in some sort of higher power and saw the monster as part of a 'test'. Everyone else who runs into it flee...they run from their 'tests'. I wouldnt dwell on the smoke monster, but know it serves a purpose to push the story along...

[Doctor Manhattan]

The smoke monster is my least favorite aspect of this show...it's the aspect of the show that is the most science fiction-y and therefore, it will be the hardest to explain.

I was thinking about it and wouldn't time travel and teleportation of mammals be harder to explain with the level of technology available in 2004?

[fezident]

Doogie and Doc,
I understand, and somewhat agree with your points.

My problem with Smokey is.... the last time we saw it, it was kinda sorta at Benjamins beck & call. It seemed to do be doing his bidding. Also, the electronic fence was to quarantine the smoke monster, right? Those two factors make the smoke monster less abstract to me. It's much more of a character now. I'm eager to see where the writers take it now the the monster is becoming less and less mysterious.


The time travel aspect of the show kinda bugs me too. Again, IMO.... it takes away from how unique the show was. I reeeally liked the interconnection of the characters and how their individual skill-sets helped them to create a little society. For me... that was the appeal of the show. The REALITY of it all. The supernatural aspect was not the draw.
I still watch it, and I still approach every ep with an open mind BUT.... I can't help but feel like the show is diluting some of the points that made it so interesting (to me, anyway) back in season 1 & 2.

[Doctor Manhattan]

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Tonight "it's a Locke-centric episode, so you know it's good."

[Epschtein]

ack! its lost night, i gotta watch the end of the celtics game and dvr lost.

i forgot to ask a question last week and now i cant remember who it was about but - did a new member of the oceanic six get confirmed in last weeks episode? something made me think that. do we know who all six are yet?

the baby doesnt count right?

so its kate, jack, hurley, sayid, sun and...

[Doctor Manhattan]

the baby doesnt count right?

so its kate, jack, hurley, sayid, sun and...

Damon and Calton confirmed that Aaron does count: Jack, Kate, Aaron, Hurley, Sayid and Sun.

[HBox]

I guess that chopping wood in the woods for eternity is the price Percy Wetmore paid for botching that execution.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Richard Alpert is back, bitches!! Fuck Cane!

[Doogie]

I guess that chopping wood in the woods for eternity is the price Percy Wetmore paid for botching that execution.

Ha ha ha!!! :clap: Well played sir, well played.

"What happened??"..."He did" Great line

[Epschtein]

ha! game ended in time so i got to watch it, good cliffhangers this week!

[MagillaGorillaz]

I gotta watch Season One again after tonight's epiosde. Anyone else notice the cover to the comic book.

[extracheese]

WHAT A GREAT EPISODE!!
They just keep doing it week after week - its really unprecedented.

anyway - what to make of all this info?? i dont know where to begin...

does moving the island mean - what?? even with time travel theory (which richard and the haitian prove exists in the show, the island would still be there. Interesting how the man was telling the doctor that he was gonna be dead soon.
I forgot - who told them NOT TO TRUST THE CAPTAIN? The captain was trustworthy and a good egg - so the warning was bogus.
as to the rest of the myseteries new and old...im stumped

[Friday]

:wacko:

Is This Jacob?? (http://images.lostpedia.com/images/thumb/2/2d/AbaddonInstitute.JPG/250px-AbaddonInstitute.JPG)

Is Christian Locke's father too?
and oh my god if he is... then Chris's FATHER theories are in a whole new light.....


I am so fucked up over this show. It's gloriously insane.