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Doctor Manhattan

05-09-2008, 05:10 AM

Could we all agree that spoiler text should be used for information about upcoming shows (including the "next week on Lost" promos)? I don't think we should need to use spoiler text about stuff that happens on a show that aired. People who DVR Lost should avoid Lost threads on message boards until they can watch it.

does moving the island mean - what?? even with time travel theory (which richard and the haitian prove exists in the show, the island would still be there.

I think it means actually moving the island to another location in space, not time. This could explain why Charles Widmore is still looking for the island in Oct 2005 (his meeting with Ben) after he already found it and sent the freighter to the island.

So your theory is that Richard's appearance not changing is a result of time travel? That is interesting, with Ben's comment to him ("You do remember birthdays, don't you Richard?") I thought he didn't age.

Is Matthew Abaddon a Haitian?

I don't think his appearance in Locke's past is enough to make it look like he doesn't age or travels through time. Locke was pushed out of that window 4 years before Flight 815, so Abaddon would probably look the same.

It is interesting that this episode implies that Richard and Abaddon are working toward that same goal regarding Locke while before it would seem that anyone associated with the freighter would be working against the Others/Hostiles/Natives that Richard is part of.

Interesting how the man was telling the doctor that he was gonna be dead soon.

The time shift between the island and their location at sea seems to change length and now direction!

The rocket took 31 minutes to get from the freighter to the island when it took less than a minute on the radio.
The helicopter took more than a day to reach the freighter when it should have been around 20 minutes)
And now the Doctor's body reaches the island before it is dumped off the freighter, and how long would it normally take to reach the beach, 40 miles away?

And why are they able to communicate via radio with no apparent delay?

I forgot - who told them NOT TO TRUST THE CAPTAIN? The captain was trustworthy and a good egg - so the warning was bogus.
as to the rest of the myseteries new and old...im stumped

I think most people thought it was Michael but I don't think it has not been revealed yet.

The Captain didn't show any reason not to trust him and Michael hasn't shown any reason why he would warn them about the Captain or why he would want to deceive them regarding the Captain.

KingGeno

05-09-2008, 05:44 AM

The whole discussion between Claire and Christian Sheperd, and the looks they were giving to each other and Locke....that was freaky. For some reason I kept thinking Event Horizon or Devil's Advocate, as if Claire was possessed or a demon. Then I instantly thought about how the psychic from season 1 was freaking out about how she has to be the one to raise Aaron, as if he wanted Aaron to be stuck on the island.

Crazy.

And did anyone notice Horace was stuck in a time lapse, repeating the same action over and over. So confusing, yet exciting.

Doctor Manhattan

05-09-2008, 05:53 AM

I am curious to see what happens with Aaron. I wonder if the Aaron killed in the first season, and the one that has been making tons of appearances since then, is really Claire's Aaron. Maybe he is time travelling or something.

There was an Aaron killed in the first season? Aaron was born in Season 1 and has been with Claire, Kate, Charlie, Sawyer, Hurley or Danielle since then. I don't think there was another Aaron.

KingGeno

05-09-2008, 05:57 AM

There was an Aaron killed in the first season? Aaron was born in Season 1 and has been with Claire, Kate, Charlie, Sawyer, Hurley or Danielle since then. I don't think there was another Aaron.

Oh jeez. I meant Ethan.......... I missed my coffee this morning.

My bad. removed from OP.

Doctor Manhattan

05-09-2008, 06:11 AM

Ah, Ethan. Love that guy! He has been on lost more since he died than when alive!

fezident

05-09-2008, 06:20 AM

Slightly off topic but, the actress who plays Claire... is she pregnant?

Doctor Manhattan

05-09-2008, 06:28 AM

Slightly off topic but, the actress who plays Claire... is she pregnant?

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/1211/tracy2020morganak7.jpg

Has she been around this man?

Furtherman

05-09-2008, 06:37 AM

And did anyone notice Horace was stuck in a time lapse, repeating the same action over and over. So confusing, yet exciting.

Loved that... reminded me of the Star Trek TNG episode where they were in the time loop and I wondered if that could happen on the island.

Something is up with Claire.. she seemed way too content not to have Aaron around.

I thought the first thing Jack's dad was gonna ask Locke for was a drink.

Move the island! In time or in space!?

In Season 1 Sayid mentioned that the tides were moving to fast. I wonder if pushing the button also kept the island on the move.

Friday

05-09-2008, 07:05 AM

i thought it was interesting that Alpert was there at the John's birth and then tried to recruit him as a child. but changed his mind, quite upset, when John chose the knife over the mysterious "Book of Laws".

was John meant to be the next leader.... but had some fatal flaw that kept him from embracing his destiny?

still baffled and horribly addicted to this show.

Furtherman

05-09-2008, 07:39 AM

ABC Adds More Hours to Lost
Source: The Hollywood Reporter May 9, 2008

The 2009 and 2010 editions of ABC's "Lost" will be 17 hours each -- not 16 as previously planned, says The Hollywood Reporter.

ABC has added two hours to the show's production plan because the WGA strike knocked three hours out of the current season. To partly compensate, the network recently added an additional hour to Part 2 of the season finale that airs May 29.

All told, the changes will wrap up the show with the same number of episodes that producers and ABC negotiated last year.

"We were supposed to do 16-16-16," "Lost" co-creator Damon Lindelof said. "But we ended up doing 14 this season, so we owe two."

For the upcoming season finale, Lindelof promised a more action-driven cliffhanger instead of the mind-bending flash-forward time shift that stunned fans last season.

"The finale this year will not be as tricky as last year," he said. "Hopefully, this year it's a little bit more of a straightforward action-adventure narrative. But the ending of the episode will hopefully engage and intrigue people looking forward to the next season of the show."

KingGeno

05-09-2008, 07:39 AM

quite upset, when John chose the knife over the mysterious "Book of Laws". was John meant to be the next leader.... but had some fatal flaw that kept him from embracing his destiny?

John Locke embodies self-tragedy. It sort of reminds me of Neo in the Matrix. He just can't grasp reality, and everyone is telling him what is going on. He is a man of science. He is not a superhero or the best looking guy around, yet he tries to achieve this above all else. Just a selfish man. He just can't let go of chasing this imaginary and impossible dream. You notice throughout the series that he has to wreck everything around him, and then apoligizes and feels bad for doing it.

He has been dealt a REALLY shitty deck of cards, and he makes no adjustments to change it.

Box Salesman with a shitty young boss
'father' complex from that whole debacle
letting SOMEONE ELSE take care of his father issue
believing the island is in charge and slowly realizing that all of it is untrue (Smoke Monster controlled by Ben, hatches are just experiments, etc)

Many people around him see this. Alpert is obviously travelling back in time AFTER meeting him on the island, and I assume AFTER he kills his father. His teacher noticed what his issues were, and old stubborn baby John Locke couldn't accept it. Ben notices this also.

As far as the Alper test, I took him choosing the knife as picking the only object there that could be used to protect himself or hurt others around him. The only reason for it's existence is to destroy. The other objects there have one singular reason (Compass for direction, comic book for fantasy, etc.)

I saw the Book of Laws as the object that has the most uses out of all the object there. It would allow the reader/expert to know what is good or bad, adapt and make decisions that would affect everything around them universally. John didn't choose this, because he is still immature and selfish. You just accept how things are, because rules cannot be broken but can be slightly bent for the good of everything around. Weird.

He has his "outside the box" moments, but loves the inside of the box for its safety. Interesting they made him a box worker. So weird this show is.

I'm babbling.

Furtherman

05-09-2008, 08:18 AM

Read this over at tvguide.com:

Flashback one year ago this week, in which Lost gave us another cheery Mother's Day edition, ''The Man Behind the Curtain.'' That episode told the origin story of Benjamin Linus, who, if you recall, was also born prematurely, and also born to a woman named Emily who cried out his name, although she did so as she died.

It's a great article. ''Lost'': Cabin Boy (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20198844,00.html)

There was a moment last night when Ben accused Locke of manipulating Hurley into going with them to Jacob's cabin by using Ben-patented reverse psychology. Locke denied doing so, saying, ''I'm not you.'' Ben jumped on this, saying, ''You're certainly not.''

Now, do the timeline math.

Locke is born early. At age 5, he takes a test that most likely would have taken him to the Island if he had passed. He didn't. That same year, Benjamin Linus is born. At age 16, Locke is invited to go to a science camp that again would have taken him to the Island. He refused. About that same time, Benjamin Linus and his father joined the Dharma Initiative. The implication, it seems, is that Ben has been walking the path that was originally meant for Locke. Ben was the contingency plan — the course correction — for Locke's altered destiny. But Ben is his own person, of course, and he has done things differently from what Locke would have done, and this, in turn, has created further changes in the original order of things — changes that I think a certain ticked-off, Island-deprived billionaire named Charles Widmore is trying to reverse. The scene at the rehab center between paralyzed adult Locke and his wheelchair pusher, the creepy Matthew Abbaddon — who accepted the description of ''orderly'' with knowing irony — was meant to suggest one way Widmore is scheming to restore the original order: by getting Locke on that Island and taking back the birthright that was supposed to be his.

Holes

05-10-2008, 05:06 AM

And did anyone notice Horace was stuck in a time lapse, repeating the same action over and over. So confusing, yet exciting.

Did anyone else relate Horace to Sysphus from Greek mythology? Pushing the boulder up the hill only to watch it roll back down-for eternity. Everytime Horace chopped and pushed the tree over, it would reappear and he would do it over again. It was the same tree over and over again.

And what was up with the blood appearing and disappearing on his (Horace) face?

JDE

05-10-2008, 09:06 AM

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And what was up with the blood appearing and disappearing on his (Horace) face?

I think that had to do with how they all died, the gas.

K.C.

05-10-2008, 09:50 AM

This is the stuff I took out of this week's episode:

#1 - The "choose what is yours already" scene was straight out of the movie Kundun. When a new Dalai Lama is chosen, they go through a similar process.

#2 - There's something to the fact that both Locke and Ben were born premature (Locke was six months...Ben was six or seven months, but I'd have to re-watch the episode). In addition to that, I don't think it's a coincedence that Locke was born at six months, and ALL pregnant women on the island die before their third trimester....especially when Emily Locke was struck by a pregnancy inducing car accident. (As we've seen with Michael, and Juliet's husband, cars don't hit people without reason in this series...it was no accident).

#3 - Horace says he's been dead for 12 years, but Rousseau landed on the island 16 years ago. Hmmmmm....just plays more into the 'Rousseau's story has always been a lie' strain of thought.

#4 - Jack is becoming the ultimate buffoon. "I think they want us to follow them..." That puts his streak of wrong decisions in a row at about 30.

#5 - The knife Locke chose in the Kundun scene was the knife he was suppose to kill Anthony Cooper with and later killed Naomi with.

#6 - I wonder if the point of the whole flashback is ultimately that Locke won't accept the destiny before him. People seem to think it means that it was about Locke being destined for the island. That's true, but what I took out of it was that Locke refuses to accept the role that's been predetermined for him ("don't tell me what I can't do."). He will be the Super Hero; the action star, the guy that breaks the chain of fate on the island. In that sense, I think the flashback meant the exact opposite of what most are taking out of it.

#7 - I don't believe Claire is dead, like others have been implying for a couple weeks.

Friday

05-15-2008, 08:46 AM

ack!

this thread was buried!

DoctorM, where is our countdown, sir?? :)

ChrisTheCop

05-15-2008, 08:48 AM

9:12

ChrisTheCop

05-15-2008, 08:49 AM

...how does he do it? I'm already exhausted from the math.

ChrisTheCop

05-15-2008, 08:56 AM

In case you havent seen the preview, here ya go.
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KingGeno

05-15-2008, 09:25 AM

Tonight is Part 1 of a three part Season 4 finale! Unfortunatel,y they are taking a week off between part 1 and 2. :down:

I read a partial spoiler break down of tonight's episode, and then stopped myself. It looks like there are some crazy things coming up. I am excited about a few character scenes from tonight. I wish I didn't read what I read.

Can't wait to discuss afterwards though!

ChrisTheCop

05-15-2008, 09:46 AM

Doctor Manhattan

05-15-2008, 09:46 AM

ack!

this thread was buried!

DoctorM, where is our countdown, sir?? :)

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ChrisTheCop

05-15-2008, 09:49 AM

well done Doctor Manhattan.

Doctor Manhattan

05-15-2008, 09:52 AM

Thanks Chris,

I have been way behind on a lot of stuff today. I totally forgot it was Lostday.

K.C.

05-15-2008, 09:57 AM

yeah,,, i did a similar thing on youtube, watching the sneak peaks...
saw too much! but still excited, and maybe more so for seeing what i saw.

This has been my spoiler season.

I think I've watched the sneak peeks for every episode.

It's weird....watching them are awesome, and get me geared up for the episode each week, but the episodes generally don't carry the weight, because I've already seen so much of it through the sneak peeks.

I'm cutting myself off from them next season...the best episodes tend to be when I haven't heard or seen anything about the show before hand.

spadanko

05-15-2008, 12:39 PM

This has been my spoiler season.

I think I've watched the sneak peeks for every episode.

It's weird....watching them are awesome, and get me geared up for the episode each week, but the episodes generally don't carry the weight, because I've already seen so much of it through the sneak peeks.

I'm cutting myself off from them next season...the best episodes tend to be when I haven't heard or seen anything about the show before hand.

yeah, last year I read about the finale... totally spoiled it for me... this year i completely stayed away

K.C.

05-15-2008, 01:02 PM

yeah, last year I read about the finale... totally spoiled it for me... this year i completely stayed away

I went in to the last two episode of last season completely blind. (I had watched Season 1 and Season 2 on DVD...caught up with Season 3 just in time for the second to last episode).

It was amazing...I don't know if I've ever had more fun watching a TV show, then watching those two.

Dan 'Hampton

05-15-2008, 01:12 PM

yeah, last year I read about the finale... totally spoiled it for me... this year i completely stayed away

Yeah I was stupid and got spoilers on last season's finale. NOt doing it this year apart from production notes.

Dan 'Hampton

05-15-2008, 07:07 PM

Excellent first 1/3 of the season finale. Jack with Claire's mom was great even though you knew how that scene would play out.Two weeks UGH.

K.C.

05-15-2008, 07:08 PM

That's episode OWNED!

Finally, the fucking Others are back...old school!

I've been waiting for it since Ben sent them into Exile in Season Three. They're going to massacre Keamy's crew.

spadanko

05-15-2008, 07:11 PM

great muthafuckin episode... those dudes are gonna get fucked up.. the others are ready to beat ass... and I am guessing that pretty much Aleprt and Jacob are one in the same??? or at least homeboys

HBox

05-15-2008, 07:24 PM

great episode except for that shit with Sun buying her father's company. So unbelievable, hack, and cheesy.

MagillaGorillaz

05-15-2008, 07:32 PM

great episode except for that shit with Sun buying her father's company. So unbelievable, hack, and cheesy.

Yeah but something tells me that his company is up there with Witmore's company. He could be a behind the scenes player we never thought of.

K.C.

05-15-2008, 07:40 PM

Alright, so I think I have this figured out after thinking about it.

-The thing hooked to Keamy broadcasts a signal that's designed to blow-up the freighter if he dies, to prevent the rest of the freighter crew who aren't in on the mission from rescuing the 815ers.

-Frank takes the rest of the O6 on the island (everyone except Sun) back to the freighter. The O6 jump on rafts like the one Sayid has and take off to find help.

-As they're leaving, Keamy is killed on the island, the boat explodes killing all the extras that were loaded onto it.

-Not sure what'll happen to Jin, Michael, and Desmond...my guess is Jin and Desmond will somehow survive...Michael will finally die.

Epschtein

05-16-2008, 12:21 AM

yeah sun buying the company was really lame, i never noticed how screwed up her nostrils are until that scene lol.

what is nadia's story again? i remember her but nothing specific.

fezident

05-16-2008, 03:30 AM

So... is Juliet 100% on-the-level now?? Sure does look that way.

Doctor Manhattan

05-16-2008, 05:47 AM

great episode except for that shit with Sun buying her father's company. So unbelievable, hack, and cheesy.

No need for spoilers, it already aired.

I agree with you. It was unbelievable. How much could the Oceanic Settlement be? I thought Paik Industries was pretty big. Sun was able to buy 51% or more of Paik. Oceanic would have to give her quite a bit, and then multiply that by 5 or 6 (I don't know if Aaron would get a settlement seperate from his "mom")

KingGeno

05-16-2008, 06:12 AM

It was definitely interesting.

I kinda figured out Keamy's heart rate was hooked up to detonate the C4 on the boat, thus destroying ANY chance of people getting off the island. Widmore knows where the island is.

Few things:

It is interesting watching Jack breakdown about how much of a complete failure he has become.
How big was the settlement? Sun must be blaming Jack as one of the two people she blames for Jin's death. Her and Jack exchanged a glance when she was asked how he died. That's how I took it.
What happened to Claire?!?!?!!
What is the Orchid Station. and what does it do to the island? It is apparent that this island is SCARING the shit out of Daniel, and he genuinely wants to get people off that island. If the hatch really "moves" the island, how and maybe WHEN does the island move? I can understand why Widmore doesn't want to lose sight on the island again.
I've always wondered what happened to Others Camp 2. It's good to see Alpert back. He is a good actor, and his character will be interesting to follow.
Um...........they said they would delve into the Four Toed Statue.

So many questions. :furious::furious::furious:

Furtherman

05-16-2008, 06:17 AM

No need for spoilers, it already aired.

I agree with you. It was unbelievable. How much could the Oceanic Settlement be? I thought Paik Industries was pretty big. Sun was able to buy 51% or more of Paik. Oceanic would have to give her quite a bit, and then multiply that by 5 or 6 (I don't know if Aaron would get a settlement seperate from his "mom")

It was suggested that the company was having trouble before she broke the news. It was probably set up that way to edge Sun's father out and she'll be able to run the company, perhaps in order to get Jin back.

Have we seen Jack's mom before??

And yea, the scene with Claire's mom. Wow.

This was an episode where the fast forwards really shine. The Oceanic 6 are so separated on the island - how the hell will they get together!?

Loving it.

Fallon

05-16-2008, 06:23 AM

great episode except for that shit with Sun buying her father's company. So unbelievable, hack, and cheesy.

It happens...

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7745/15a121c736799d1b5195bbzq7.jpg

Doctor Manhattan

05-16-2008, 06:38 AM

Have we seen Jack's mom before??

I think Margo Shephard has only appeared once before, the 5th episode of Season 1: White Rabbit and in that episode she was not very happy with him. She sent him to Australia to find Christian Shephard and she blamed Jack for Christian loosing his medical license.

Margo Shephard did not attend Jack's wedding, so they may have had issues before the Christian lost his license.

I think last night's episode is the first time scenes on Lost have taken place in Hawaii, despite almost all filming for the show taking place there.

KingGeno

05-16-2008, 06:47 AM

I liked how that newscaster called BULLSHIT on Kate, and her pregnant self.

Dan 'Hampton

05-16-2008, 09:25 AM

great episode except for that shit with Sun buying her father's company. So unbelievable, hack, and cheesy.

I thought the same but now i'm thinking that she maybe uses the company to get back to the island and find Jin. Just a thought.

KingGeno

05-16-2008, 09:31 AM

I thought the same but now i'm thinking that she maybe uses the company to get back to the island and find Jin. Just a thought.

She visited his Jin's grave a few episodes ago. He is dead, so no searching for him.

Furtherman

05-16-2008, 09:33 AM

She visited his Jin's grave a few episodes ago. He is dead, so no searching for him.

That was no indication that he was dead.

JustJon

05-16-2008, 09:48 AM

They didn't necessarily say Jin is dead, they told the world Jin died when the plane crashed, so his tombstone would be commemorating that, not the truth.

I loved the scene with Claire's mother.

If you were on a plane that went down, almost killing you, and killed your husband, you can sue for millions. Easily. Look at all the frivolous lawsuits that attempt to get millions that are nowhere near that bad. Couple that with company troubles and Sun could possibly buy it out.

KingGeno

05-16-2008, 09:58 AM

They didn't necessarily say Jin is dead, they told the world Jin died when the plane crashed, so his tombstone would be commemorating that, not the truth.

I agree. With seeing Jack's dad walking around (although confirmed dead dead by series producers), anything is possible. I really wonder what happens with the island. I mean.....they have the coordinates and the guesstimate location of the island before leaving the island. The future flashforwards with Jack, and his "flying every weekend and HOPING they crash again" confirms the island is indeed moved at one point.

It's all very confusing about what will happen on the island. Blows my mind.

Then again they have had interviews with Daniel Day Kim (Jin) where he is talking about not being part of the show as character, but as a ghost. He could be throwing people off, which makes sense with this show.

If you were on a plane that went down, almost killing you, and killed your husband, you can sue for millions. Easily. Look at all the frivolous lawsuits that attempt to get millions that are nowhere near that bad. Couple that with company troubles and Sun could possibly buy it out.

Think about the money they had saved up to settle in case EVERYONE survived the crash. Then divide that by the 6 that only survived. (5 if Aaron only gets a piece of Kate's pot...)

Epschtein

05-16-2008, 10:21 AM

what is nadia's story again? i remember her but nothing specific.

anyone?

ChrisTheCop

05-16-2008, 10:24 AM

Yeah but something tells me that his company is up there with Witmore's company. He could be a behind the scenes player we never thought of.

AHEM.
See my Father theory of long ago; still current.

Lindeloff and Cruse wrote this episode-- I dont question any thing in it.
I agree with Jon; she lost her husband, so she'd get more than anyone.
And no, he's not dead.

I really liked the scene with the box.
3 things were removed from the box; crackers for hurley, a mirror for ben, and binoculars for Locke. I thought back to the magic box, where anything you need is inside (altho I dont believe this is the box he was referring to, I see a correlation).
Hurley of course needs food, so he gets crackers.
Ben needs to either see himself in the mirror, reflect, or communicate better (I'm not sure which). And Locke needs to look ahead.

Also- Ben noted that those crackers were 15 years old.
So the last time Ben was up there was 15 years ago... he moved the island after the massacre... I guess.

Now, to an old theory of mine; I cant remember how/why hurley was on that plane, just that he was late and almost didnt get on. (someone help me?)

But the other 5 of 'the 6' were all put on that plane by other people.
Jack- Mom gave him the ticket to go pick up dad.
Kate- brought on the plane by the Marshall
Aaron- with mommy of course, on a ticket given to her by the psychic.
Sun- on a business trip with her husband, ticket from her dad's company.
Sayid- given passage on the flight by the cia.

I dont know exactly what that all means yet, other than it somehow ties into my dad theory here and there. Others left behind were also put on the plane by someone else*, so I dont know where it goes; just making note of it.
*Claire by the psychic, Jin by Sun's dad, Sawyer by australian police, etc...
even Desmond was put on his boat by Libby.

And yeah, the scene at dad's funeral was freaky. So Jack knew he was related when he said to Kate about Aaron, "youre not even RELATED to him!" But does Kate know?
hmmmm....

Furtherman

05-16-2008, 10:24 AM

Nadia was Sayid's love. He was her interrigator. They knew each other as children. Sayid allowed her to escape.

Doctor Manhattan

05-16-2008, 10:27 AM

If you were on a plane that went down, almost killing you, and killed your husband, you can sue for millions...Couple that with company troubles and Sun could possibly buy it out.

Think about the money they had saved up to settle in case EVERYONE survived the crash. Then divide that by the 6 that only survived. (5 if Aaron only gets a piece of Kate's pot...)

Yeah, I guess it really depends on how big Mr. Paik's company is. I am assuming it's huge (If they had "strong men" and assassins), but perhaps a few million is all Sun would need. I don't think a settlement for an airline crash would be in the hundreds of Millions or in the Billions which is the range I was thinking of.

Was the company in trouble? Last night it seemed that Mr. Paik was upset that someone was able to buy up control of the company using " five different bank accounts" I don't remember if there were issues before.

I don't really know what Paik Heavy Industries does.

Drunky McBetidont

05-16-2008, 10:34 AM

AHEM.

Now, to an old theory of mine; I cant remember how/why hurley was on that plane, just that he was late and almost didnt get on. (someone help me?)

....

hurley went to australia to see the guy that told the numbers to the guy in the nut hut. the guy was dead and the widow said the numbers were cursed.

Drunky McBetidont

05-16-2008, 10:35 AM

Nadia was Sayid's love. He was her interrigator. They knew each other as children. Sayid allowed her to escape.

she will die soon, otherwise i can't see sayid working for ben in the future unless it is to get revenge on her killer.

ChrisTheCop

05-16-2008, 10:36 AM

hurley went to australia to see the guy that told the numbers to the guy in the nut hut. the guy was dead and the widow said the numbers were cursed.

so hurley got on that plane on his own... so he doesnt fit...
he wasnt supposed to be on that plane, and have a chance to see the numbers on the island.
he was supposed to miss that plane, but he fought hard and made it on.
he's the one that can make everything right. i like it!

Drunky McBetidont

05-16-2008, 10:40 AM

so hurley got on that plane on his own... so he doesnt fit...
he wasnt supposed to be on that plane, and have a chance to see the numbers on the island.
he was supposed to miss that plane, but he fought hard and made it on.
he's the one that can make everything right. i like it!

and locke was on because he wasn't allowed on the trip into the outback

claire was on because the psycic told her to go to america and raise the baby.

i don't know why charlie was there, i forget, but i think it had something to do wit hseeing his brother and trying to get the band back together. i forget

Doctor Manhattan

05-16-2008, 10:41 AM

she will die soon, otherwise i can't see sayid working for ben in the future unless it is to get revenge on her killer.

Sayid shot Ishmael Bakir 3 episodes ago as revenge for killing Nadia (at least that is who Ben told Sayid killed her)

MagillaGorillaz

05-16-2008, 11:40 AM

Just a couple of random things in my head.

Does any one have a good imagie of the map from the lockdwn episode of all the dharma stations.

Isn't Paik an auto company kinda like Hyundi. I thought they said automobiles in one episode. And the five bank accounts could be the Oceanic 6, at least the 5 adults.

For all we know Jack may have known before the funeral that Claire is his half sister. They have been lying about the plane crash, he could have sold the shock in awe of that to Claire's mom.

Now, to an old theory of mine; I cant remember how/why hurley was on that plane, just that he was late and almost didnt get on. (someone help me?)

I remember that now it was him on a tram tring to catch the flight. He didn't even have a chance to see the numbers the gate was 4 the flight was 815 etc.

Another random thing Boone and Shannon's family didn't they have alot of money too?

And the p.r. chick from Oceanic looked familiar.

ChrisTheCop

05-16-2008, 11:58 AM

And the p.r. chick from Oceanic looked familiar.

She's been around, notable recurring roles for me anyway in 24 and Star Trek TNG.

http://www.dvd.net.au/movies/2/08312-4.jpg

http://www.startrek.com/imageuploads/200303/tng-203-ro-leads-picard--data/320x240.jpg

ChrisTheCop

05-16-2008, 12:05 PM

Does any one have a good imagie of the map from the lockdwn episode of all the dharma stations.

http://www.lostpedia.com/images/thumb/9/9f/Dharma_stations.jpg/707px-Dharma_stations.jpg

Doctor Manhattan

05-16-2008, 12:11 PM

And the p.r. chick from Oceanic looked familiar.

Michelle Forbes

She was also on Battlestar Galactica along with the shows listed above. Using her for that small role makes me think it's not such a small role

Knowledged_one

05-16-2008, 12:15 PM

Oh and the Orchid aka the greenhouse

well greenhouse was the codename for the A-bomb testing by the US Govt in the south pacific

and the numbers may be tied into the chapters from the Wizard of Oz book

ChrisTheCop

05-16-2008, 12:25 PM

and the numbers may be tied into the chapters from the Wizard of Oz book

Interesting, never heard that one. There sure are alot of Wiz references every season.
Ok..lets look at that theory.

4. The Road through the Forest
8. The Deadly Poppy Field
15. The Discovery of Oz, the Terrible.
16. The Magic Art of the Great Humbug.
23. Glinda the Good Witch grants Dorothy's Wish.

and, although there are only 24 chapters, 42 in reverse is indeed 24, which is titled:

Home Again. (The fact that they return to the island may be cause for the reverse number).

Did you come up with this yourself or has it been out there? I like it.
I also like that "Poppy" is mentioned, keeping my father theory alive still!! lol

Knowledged_one

05-16-2008, 12:32 PM

Interesting, never heard that one. There sure are alot of Wiz references every season.
Ok..lets look at that theory.

4. The Road through the Forest
8. The Deadly Poppy Field
15. The Discovery of Oz, the Terrible.
16. The Magic Art of the Great Humbug.
23. Glinda the Good Witch grants Dorothy's Wish.

and, although there are only 24 chapters, 42 in reverse is indeed 24, which is titled:

Home Again. (The fact that they return to the island may be cause for the reverse number).

Did you come up with this yourself or has it been out there? I like it.
I also like that "Poppy" is mentioned, keeping my father theory alive still!! lol

ahh the dilemma, do i make myself look like a big shot and say its all me, nah its not in me to do that here is the link from entertainment weekly

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20200751,00.html

But here is the excerpt:

It's probably premature to be jumping to conclusions about what any of this could mean: We've only seen part 1 of ''No Place Like Home''; the rest of it will air in two weeks. Then again, since when have these recaps been governed by common sense? ''No place like home'' comes from The Wizard of Oz, of course, though the line is actually found in (Numbers alert!) chapter 4 of L. Frank Baum's book, not at the end as in the Judy Garland movie. The title of that chapter? ''The Road Through the Forest.'' Perfectly fitting for an episode that saw much jungle trekking and emphasized the importance of following carefully marked if treacherous paths, be it the route from freighter to beach or the scripted lines of the Oceanic 6 cover story. The episode ended with Ben getting knocked out in the greenhouse — and whaddya know, if we continue to use the Numbers as a guide, chapter 8 of Oz, ''The Deadly Poppy Field,'' finds Dorothy passing out in a field of flowers. Perhaps the two-hour finale will correlate with chapter 15 (could ''The Discovery of Oz the Terrible'' = Jacob?), chapter 16 (could ''The Magic Art of the Great Humbug'' = Ben's twisty, tricky secret plan?), chapter 23 (could ''The Good Witch Grants Dorothy's Wish'' = Charlotte fulfilling her promise to Jin to make sure Sun gets away), and chapter 24, which is 42 backwards (''Home Again'' is clearly a reference to reincarnation/eternal-recurrence theory — I mean, clearly). (You're going to miss me during the impending hiatus, aren't you?)

Also Henry Gale the name Ben used first was from the Wizard of Oz (i did know this)

Furtherman

05-16-2008, 12:32 PM

Wizard Of Oz and other clues abound in this article.

'Lost': Not Adding Up (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20200751,00.html)

Edit: What Knowledged said!

IamPixie

05-16-2008, 12:42 PM

I just watched last nights episode and wow...I was 100% enthralled in the story.

*and yes, I cried like a baby when the Oceanic 6 got off the plane.

*Spoiler alert used out of sheer embarrassment.

ChrisTheCop

05-16-2008, 01:36 PM

Pixie, I did my weekly re-watch, and the 2nd time around I gotta tell ya, as the wheels of the plane touched the ground, I started to feel the emotion....then came all the family.

Interestingly enough, I didnt feel it last night, I just kept waiting for the Marshalls to come take Kate away.

The preview has Jack (once again to Locke I presume) screaming:
"WHAT DID YOU DO???!!" lol.

johnniehardrock

05-19-2008, 03:46 AM

I just watched since I was away and this hour blew me away. I am not sure how they keep doing it but it gets better. I just love that Hurley and I shop at the same store. I have that Ace Of Spades shirt and the grey and red one in the EW article. I guess that fat guys can only shop at certain places.....

K.C.

05-19-2008, 06:19 AM

Sayid shot Ishmael Bakir 3 episodes ago as revenge for killing Nadia (at least that is who Ben told Sayid killed her)

Yeah, there was enough about that, that was curious enough.

Ben goes presumably from the Orchid (the DHARMA logo on his jacket when he wakes up) to the desert of Tunisia, yet ends up with a traffic camera picture of Bakir from LA, three days before the funeral in Iraq.

It would be near impossible for him to physically travel from Tunisia to California to Iraq...Sayid is Muslim, which means culturally, he would bury Nadia almost immediately...the point in time from when Ben lands in Tunisia is within the three days of Nadia's death in LA and funeral in Tikrit, as Sayid was in Iraq already when Ben sees him on the TV.

I actually watched this episode again yesterday...the general feeling I keep getting is that it's all happened before and Ben knows it.

The look on his face after Alex gets executed is basically one of wonderment. He KNEW something was suppose to happen there and it didn't happen.

K.C.

05-19-2008, 06:46 AM

By the way, just a heads up to everyone...a buddy of mine said that the spoilers for the finale have leaked today and are being posted everywhere, and apparently have been stuck on a whole bunch of pages over at Lostpedia by people who keep editing the pages.

So I'd advise staying off most Lost related places until this thing airs.

To be fair, my friend did say that some of the stuff that's making the rounds sounds pretty ridiculous, so it's possible and/or likely that it's fake.

TeeBone

05-19-2008, 09:01 AM

Corporal Fucking Upham and The Lawnmower Man?

This show blows anymore.

Furtherman

05-19-2008, 09:04 AM

Corporal Fucking Upham and The Lawnmower Man?

This show blows anymore.

Wrong again. Those two have been excellent additions to the show.

KingGeno

05-19-2008, 09:08 AM

Word from promos being run on ABC is that the re-showing of last weeks episode will have additional footage. Maybe they held back certain scenes or something will be added to flesh out something. Keep an eye out on upcoming re-broadcasts.

Knowledged_one

05-19-2008, 09:10 AM

Corporal Fucking Upham and The Lawnmower Man?

This show blows anymore.

You base how good a show is by the costars former roles

how sad

K.C.

05-19-2008, 09:17 AM

Wrong again. Those two have been excellent additions to the show.

Agreed...the Desmond/Daniel episode is still one of the best of the series.

I hope Lapidus sticks around...at the very least, they need to do a flashback to explain why he was suppose to be flying 815 that day, but ended up not.

KingGeno

05-19-2008, 09:38 AM

K.C.

05-19-2008, 09:50 AM

What's interesting is the episode where Daniel is first introduced. He was watching the footage of Flight 815 being found in the ocean. He was crying his eyes out, and a lady asked him why and he said: "I don't know."

To me, it was obviously before he went on the island, how did he know about the plane before hand, and could that be him stuck in time? Maybe he was crying about losing his constant that he doesn't even know about?

Lots of questions popped up this season that need answering...

I thought the point was that Daniel had unstuck himself in time like Desmond did. His mind was jumping between past and future and he couldn't differentiate.

There's a scene where Charlotte is trying to get him to focus on some playing cards and he can only remember two of the three...I think they were trying to establish a constant for him, which he later did in the Desmond episode.

Daniel needed Desmond as much as Desmond needed Daniel.

ChrisTheCop

05-19-2008, 03:40 PM

IamPixie

05-19-2008, 03:53 PM

Daniel is definitely my favorite new character and I'm loving 70% less smirky.

K.C.

05-20-2008, 05:29 PM

I just rewatched the Season 3 finale...it's kind of interesting to take a look at in relation to where we are now with the series.

-It's clear now that Jack can't die in the future, similar to Michael not being able to die. He tries to kill himself on the bridge...a car mysteriously crashes causing him to stop. He matter of factly walks across a busy Los Angeles road and a car stops inches from hitting him (how many times have we seen people get hit by cars...Michael, Juliet's husband, Emily Locke...this was not circumstancial...Jack knows he can't die at this point).

-Jack was given three warnings that he was not suppose to leave the island.

The first came from Ben, who told him everyone on the island would be killed and it would be Jack's fault. The second came from Locke, who told Jack "you're not supposed to do this" at the very very end of the finale. The third came from Hurley who confirms pretty undeniably that Naomi lied and that people on the freighter weren't who they said they were in the Season 4 premiere.

These are also the only three people who can see Jacob (at least up to the point they're at on the island...but that changes in the future, as I'm about to get to).

-Speaking of Jacob, going off 'Something Nice Back Home' and Jack's line about his father in 'Through The Looking Glass,' Jack is being stalked by Christian, whom we know is either an extension of Jacob, or a physical manifestation of Jacob. So Jacob is definitely off the island.

-Given all that, I'd say the person in the coffin is one of Ben, Locke, Hurley, or Jacob (maybe the Christian Shephard manifestation, or some new manifestation).

Furtherman

05-22-2008, 08:16 AM

Very cool, but a little too short, article about Lost from Popular Mechanics.

Published on: April 24, 2008

Debunking Lost's Science: Hollywood Sci-Fi Behind the Scenes (http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/research/4260687.html?series=6)

http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/harma-hadron-c-0408.jpg
Executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse tell PM they've been following the development of the Large Hadron Collider (right) as they lay out Lost's time-travel plot for the rest of this season. Could one of the Dharma Initiative's stations (left) create a mini black hole into the future?

Knowledged_one

05-22-2008, 08:32 AM

05-23-2008, 12:22 PM

for those of you who don' t listen to the podcast,
the "enhanced" replay of part 1 of the finale will have a longer press conference with more questions asked/answered.

K.C.

05-24-2008, 04:09 PM

I bought the Season 3 DVD yesterday and I was listening to the commentary on Ben's flashback, 'The Man Behind The Curtain.'

Lindeloff and Cuse kind of throw out this idea that Richard is the Panchen Lama of the island...it is his job to find the island's next chosen one, or the island's Dalai Lama.

The way it works in Buddhism is that the Panchen Lama finds the next Dalai Lama, and the Dalai Lama finds the next Panchen Lama.

After thinking about it a little bit, it's a lot more interesting given the last Locke flashback. Presumably speaking, Ben and Locke are probably about the same age. So Alpert likely tests Locke first before he ever encounters Ben in the jungle on the island, since he tests Locke at about 6-7 years old, whereas he encounters Ben for the first time when he's 11 or 12.

Richard clearly believes Locke is the next chosen one for the island, but Locke fails the test.

Then he finds Ben, who sees Jacob in the form of his mother, on the island after his father joins DHARMA, and Ben is chosen years later to lead the Hostiles.

Here's my thing...Locke is not in any way, shape, or form a leader...he's the hunter, as he's always wished he was...he says it in the very beginning of the series, and anoints Jack as the leader at the very beginning.

Locke continuously has tried to hammer in to Jack's head that he needs to accept the island, and lead the people on it.

I wonder, if Alpert as the Panchen Lama was suppose to select Ben (not Locke, as he originally thought) as the Dalai Lama, who in turn is suppose to select Locke as the next Panchen Lama, who in turn is suppose to select Jack as the island's next Dalai Lama.

KingGeno

05-24-2008, 05:12 PM

K.C.

05-24-2008, 05:50 PM

Last couple episodes, and Ben even said, it has become clear that Ben has stepped aside and let Locke become the main man. His statement was something like "It is your time now, John. No longer mine". Good catch though.

Actually, I don't think it's clear that Locke's the main man.

Ben is still very much in control of things in the flash-forwards. It's clear that Locke has some purpose to serve, but it's not clear how significant or to what end.

Go back and watch the very first discussion between Jack and Locke in the series, from the 'White Rabbit' episode:

JACK: How are they, the others?
LOCKE: Thirsty. Hungry. Waiting to be rescued. And they need someone to tell them what to do.
JACK: Me? I can't.
LOCKE: Why can't you?
JACK: Because I'm not a leader.
LOCKE: And yet they all treat you like one.
JACK: I don't know how to help them. I'll fail. I don't have what it takes.
LOCKE: Why are you out here, Jack?
JACK: I think I'm going crazy.
LOCKE: No. You're not going crazy. Crazy people don't know they're going crazy. They think they're getting saner. So, why are you out here?
JACK: I'm chasing something -- someone.
LOCKE: Ah. The white rabbit. Alice in Wonderland.
JACK: Yeah, wonderland, because who I'm chasing -- he's not there.
LOCKE: But you see him?
JACK: Yes. But he's not there.
LOCKE: And if I came to you and said the same thing, then what would your explanation be, as a doctor.
JACK: I'd call it a hallucination. A result of dehydration, post traumatic stress, not getting more than 2 hours of sleep a night for the past week. All of the above.
LOCKE: All right, then. You're hallucinating. But what if you're not?
JACK: Then we're all in a lot of trouble.
LOCKE: I'm an ordinary man Jack, meat and potatoes, I live in the real world. I'm not a big believer in magic. But this place is different. It's special. The others don't want to talk about it because it scares them. But we all know it. We all feel it. Is your white rabbit a hallucination? Probably. But what if everything that happened here, happened for a reason? What if this person that you're chasing is really here?
JACK: That's impossible.
LOCKE: Even if it is; let's say it's not.
JACK: Then what happens when I catch him?
LOCKE: I don't know. But I've looked into the eye of this island. And what I saw was beautiful.
[Locke gets up to leave.]
JACK: Wait, wait, wait, where are you going?
LOCKE: To find some more water.
JACK: I'll come with you.
LOCKE: No. You need to finish what's you've started.
JACK: Why?
LOCKE: Because a leader can't lead until he knows where he's going.

Now go back and look and watch two Locke flashbacks; the one in 'Further Instructions' and the one in this latest one, 'Cabin Fever.'

The 'Further Instructions' flashback has a scene on the cult commune where Locke claims he saw his destiny and that he's a 'hunter, not a farmer.'

This is corroborated by his whole last flashback -- He chooses the knife, when he clearly isn't suppose to -- He goes on this rant about how he's 'not a scientist' and not the guy that plays with test tubes, that he likes sports and boxing.

Locke is special, but Locke is not the leader...he's not the guy that's going to stay at home and manage the survivors...plot out a civilization, and manage people to keep them save. He's rejected that his entire life.

It's Jack...and I think it's become even more clear with Jacob manifesting himself in Christian.

While Ben may be telling Locke that he's 'the one,' Ben is also full of half-truths and lies, and motivated by maintaining his own power. In fact, most of what Ben has told or said to Locke has been designed to directly play Locke and Jack against each other. Convincing Locke that he's the chosen one is only one more way of doing so.

It's Locke's destiny to make Jack finally see what he's denied since the very beginning...that he is suppose to lead the island.

Hence the Panchen Lama/Dalai Lama analogy.

ChrisTheCop

05-24-2008, 09:50 PM

Very interesting KC.
And let's not forget that Aaron is also a very special boy, and a direct descendant of
Christian Shepherd.
Christian Shepherd... hmmmmm... interesting name.

Anywho... I rewatched that scene where young John takes Richard's test.
Another oft repeated phrase is heard immediately after Richard scampers out of the house.
Foster mom says, "What did you do?!!" in the same tone that Jack always says it to him.
I dont think it means much, I just found it funny.

Altho now that I think of it, Jack always says that to John after he sabotages something...
Do ya think maybe the kid KNEW the knife was the wrong choice???

KingGeno

05-24-2008, 10:37 PM

I keep hoping that Locke will be something important, but everything that he has done, everyway he lives, and every decision has lead to failure. I hope he isn't like this by the end of the series, or he could be one of the most tragic figures in entertainment history.

In addition......Few weeks ago when they showed Locke being born, before his mother got hit by the car she ran out of her house. Her mother (Locke's Grandmother) screamed "That man (she is dating) is over twice your age.". This could be an indication that someone went back in time and impregnated her. Could it be Alpert? Jacob? or even Ben? Makes ya wonder why they know him at such an early age.

K.C.

05-25-2008, 06:54 AM

In addition......Few weeks ago when they showed Locke being born, before his mother got hit by the car she ran out of her house. Her mother (Locke's Grandmother) screamed "That man (she is dating) is over twice your age.". This could be an indication that someone went back in time and impregnated her. Could it be Alpert? Jacob? or even Ben? Makes ya wonder why they know him at such an early age.

It's an interesting question.

I thought they were referring to Anthony Cooper all along, but I could see the other possibilities. Something about Anthony Cooper's story doesn't quite add up with me, though, and I think there's one more story there. I think he had something to do with the island at one point.

Another possibility would be Christian...we already know he's fathered two people on the island...why not a third.

It could be Jacob, too.

I don't think it's Richard, because we're not even sure if he can reproduce, given the nature of the fertility problems on the island, plus the fact that he doesn't age suggests he lives in some different plane of existence.

And Ben would just be too weird.

extracheese

05-25-2008, 02:58 PM

That man (she is dating) is over twice your age.". This could be an indication that someone went back in time and impregnated her. Could it be Alpert? Jacob? or

THis could lead to a wonderful TV moment when Jacob...all dressed in black, utters in a deep voice..
"Locke...i am your father"

KingGeno

05-28-2008, 12:30 PM

TVGuide.com: Give me three words to describe the season finale.
Michael Emerson: [Thinks] Dark. Violent. Casualties.

Everyone ready for tomorrow night?

K.C.

05-28-2008, 07:20 PM

It's going to be a long wait for this show to come back next January.

Overall, I've enjoyed the season. I wasn't the biggest fan of it earlier on, but since they came back from the strike, I think the episodes have been very strong.

They probably could have done a little bit better job setting up some of the freighter characters. The only one we really got some extensive background on this season was Daniel. Because of that, I can kind of see Fez's point that it just feels like they decided to tack on extra bad guys.

But I think the freighter characters will payoff big time next season.

I'm mostly curious to see who's left alive on the island after everything plays out more than anything with the O6. Because most likely the remaining islanders will band together, which will lead to some crossing over with the 815ers, Others, Freighties, etc.

Doctor Manhattan

05-29-2008, 03:56 AM

For the last time in 2008:

<embed allowScriptAccess="never" enableJavaScript="false" src="http://www.lost4815162342.com/flash/countdown.swf" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="450">

KingGeno

05-29-2008, 06:27 AM

Don't read, just a cast list spoiler for tonight that caught my eye.

I just read the cast list for tonight's episode: Walt, Michael's mother, the pilot from Episode 1 (who was killed by the smoke monster in the first episode of season 1), Dr. Marvin Candle, and Christian Sheperd

I can't wait to see where this is going. Crazy excited, and Michael Emerson & Emilie De Ravin stated that this should be the best episode yet. A person at DarkUFO at Lost Spoilers Forum stated they saw the episode is his favorite so far.

Gonna take a lot to top last season's finale, IMHO. Can't wait! ><;;

05-29-2008, 06:37 AM

If you haven't seen the Orchid "out takes" video
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Orchid
you should; the podcast indicated we would see the whole orientation video tonight.

It's going to be a long wait for this show to come back next January.

Overall, I've enjoyed the season. I wasn't the biggest fan of it earlier on, but since they came back from the strike, I think the episodes have been very strong.

They probably could have done a little bit better job setting up some of the freighter characters. The only one we really got some extensive background on this season was Daniel. Because of that, I can kind of see Fez's point that it just feels like they decided to tack on extra bad guys.

But I think the freighter characters will payoff big time next season.

I'm mostly curious to see who's left alive on the island after everything plays out more than anything with the O6. Because most likely the remaining islanders will band together, which will lead to some crossing over with the 815ers, Others, Freighties, etc.

I think that is good thought; remember how the Others were introduced.

spadanko

05-29-2008, 07:01 AM

can't wait.. going to the Mets game tonight, going to watch once i get home

KingGeno

05-29-2008, 07:12 AM

can't wait.. going to the Mets game tonight, going to watch once i get home

Well at least you can look forward to a great Lost episode you can call a "winner". :tongue:
Just a little N.L. East jabbin'. :wink:

Let me tell you.......if Locke "moves" the island, and it is anything like the feeling when seeing the Swan explode/De Lorean get struck by lightning in BTTF2.....I will be a happy happy man.

Drunky McBetidont

05-29-2008, 04:31 PM

30 minutes to take off

Doctor Manhattan

05-29-2008, 05:06 PM

Kate just said the name of the person in the Coffin in Jack's flashforward (Through the Looking Glass) but I did not recognize it. Anyone know if I just missed something?

It aired, so no spoiler tags...

extracheese

05-29-2008, 05:41 PM

The name finally revealed is Jeremy Bentham.
I never heard of him, so either someone changed their name for anonymity or its a character not yet introduced.

A google of the name revealed:

The Panopticon is a type of prison building designed by English philosopher Jeremy Bentham in the late eighteenth century. The concept of the design is to allow an observer to observe (-opticon) all (pan-) prisoners without the prisoners being able to tell if they are being observed or not, thus conveying a "sentiment of an invisible omniscience." In his own words, Bentham described the Panopticon as "a new mode of obtaining power of mind over mind, in a quantity hitherto without example."

The shows use of Philospher names is telling:

Hume, Burke, Carlyle, Bakunin, Locke, Rousseau, and possibly Bentham.

Epschtein

05-29-2008, 05:48 PM

oh balls, i forgot it was a 2 hour tonight hehe, have to download it later :(

Doctor Manhattan

05-29-2008, 06:21 PM

How many background flight 815 people were shuttled to the freighter? They have to be running out of them soon. There were only 48+22 survivors on 815 (middle section and tail) and how many have died so far?

And Jeremy Bentham was almost named by Hurley, so yes someone we already know by another name.

Friday

05-29-2008, 06:26 PM

was Jeremy Bentham the name of the person that Walt said came to see him... when he visited Hurley in the flash forward?

i missed the first 10 minutes due to not remembering to set my DVR like a spaz. grrrr.

and yeah... there seem to be so many random people being shuttled over to the freighter.... sometimes it's amusing just to try and count the 'filler' people.

extracheese

05-29-2008, 06:38 PM

yes - it was

HOW THE HELL DID THAT BABY survive a crash landing in the water??

WOW - great, complicated, loaded finale to a incredible season.

BEST SHOW ON TV.

as to the episode itself...coffin mystery solved. WHy do they all need to travel together? Why is Jack important? Why cant BEN ever go back? That room he used to move the island and travel in time - looked like it had not been used in...ages. There was even a sheet of glass over the entrance hatch. How and why would Locke leave? How did he die? Why does Sun blame Hurley or Jack for Jins death? It was clearly Widmore who was responsible...

K.C.

05-29-2008, 07:04 PM

Oh............snap.............:ohmy:

Doogie

05-29-2008, 07:04 PM

Super duper spoiler:

LOCKE!!!!!

Well many of us said it would either be michael, Ben, or the above named man...

IamFogHat

05-29-2008, 07:07 PM

Waaaaooooowwwwww.

Chimee

05-29-2008, 07:07 PM

About halfway through that final scene I figured out who it would be.

And if they didn't show it, I would have given up on the show completely.

K.C.

05-29-2008, 07:09 PM

Best line of ALL time in the history of any show ever: You can go now, Michael.

IamFogHat

05-29-2008, 07:11 PM

About halfway through that final scene I figured out who it would be.

And if they didn't show it, I would have given up on the show completely.

Thank god I didn't, in fact during my thought process during that like five minute final scene he ran through my mind among many others, and for him I literally went, "No, how could he possibly after what we saw this episode."
My brain didn't ruin the surprise unlike last season :clap:

KingGeno

05-29-2008, 07:13 PM

So..........Locke got off the island and spoke with the Oceanic 6, Walt, and I assume Ben. He told them how to protect themselves, and the island people left behind.

All of them must go back to the island for some reason....... Hmm. It is apparent that everyone originally brought to the island on that plane plays some kind of part.

All so confusing.

You will be able to view the two alternate FAKE endings they filmed tomorrow at abc.com, they said.

Then there was the fake Octagon Recruiting commercial, their symbol was a Dharma logo without a decal.

And the press release about the episode listed the Pilot from the original pilot in the episode, but was nowhere to be found.

K.C.

05-29-2008, 07:13 PM

What the hell happened to Faraday?

KingGeno

05-29-2008, 07:19 PM

Yea, he was on the life boat with a buncha of random extras. Hmm.

Jin.....

K.C.

05-29-2008, 07:27 PM

Yea, he was on the life boat with a buncha of random extras. Hmm.

Jin.....

Jin and Michael....:bye:

05-29-2008, 07:34 PM

The name finally revealed is Jeremy Bentham.

actually this was "revealed" last year's finale for those people who freeze frame,
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2007/05/images2dailyentertainment07052.html
and they made a pretty good call as to who it actually is.

This show did deliver.

and maybe it's the wuss in me, but I was touched by the Desmond/Penny reunion.

side note: I wonder when it is appropriate to stop using spoilers in this thread; I mean at least after west coasters have chance to see this live, if you have the show dvr'd I'd think you would avoid any talk threads.

yes - it was

HOW THE HELL DID THAT BABY survive a crash landing in the water??
The island must need him.

That room he used to move the island and travel in time - looked like it had not been used in...ages. There was even a sheet of glass over the entrance hatch.
I don't think glass- I think Ice - hence the heavy coat. I would wonder why it's so cold
- is it artificial to counter effect magnetism?

K.C.

05-29-2008, 07:38 PM

Here's the stats after the finale:

815ers alive on the island
-Sawyer
-Rose
-Bernard
-Some extras that weren't on the freighter

Others alive on the island
-Juliet
-Richard
-Harper
-Cindy (Tail Section chick that got captured seasons ago)
-Zack (kid that was taken from the tail section)
-Emma (other kid taken from the tail secton)
-Bunch of extras

Freighties alive on the island
-Charlotte
-Miles

Dead
-Locke
-Keamy
-Omar
-Michael
-Jin
-At least 10 of the 815 extras
-All of the freighter crew on board during the detenation.

Alive and back in society
-Jack
-Kate
-Sayid
-Hurley
-Sun
-Aaron
-Desmond
-Ben
-Frank

Status unknown
-Claire
-Daniel

KingGeno

05-29-2008, 07:39 PM

Jeremy Bentham - Info (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Bentham)

Check the above out. References to being involved with Law, to which Locke past over the "Book of Laws" book and choose the knife a few episodes ago.

Reference to Jacob (Jacobin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobin_Club))

Bentham was influenced by John Locke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Locke), the philosopher.

Doctor Manhattan

05-29-2008, 08:20 PM

Looks like it might be the end of Desmond on Lost, but Dan is planning to use him as his constant if something goes wrong, and since it's Lost, something always does. So I think we will see him again.

Walt is getting way older, does not look like that kid at all anymore.

Chris from TX

05-29-2008, 08:23 PM

Wait, I have to wait almost a year for more?

What a wacky episode. I like the idea of Locke walking around (he can walk?) making (or not making) things happen in the real world. I know the producers are Stephen King fans, so does that mean the island is going to be some pet cemetery for Locke?

p.s. Desmond has to come back to defend Penny from Ben, right?

IamFogHat

05-29-2008, 08:33 PM

Was anyone else digging the fact that basically throughout the whole episode, it was one of those "anything that can go wrong goes wrong" type shit? Like every scene you were making these short term connections like "Holy shit of course! This will be bad!"

Also I was reduced to tears almost forty percent of the episode, I guess I'm a big girl.

K.C.

05-29-2008, 08:39 PM

While it wouldn't shock me if Desmond doesn't pop up for a while, he's almost guaranteed to come back.

In fact, I think it's quite likely that the reason Ben is so interested in helping Jack get everyone back together, is because he knows it will lead him to Desmond, which will lead him to Penny and get him closer to his revenge.

I really have no f-ing clue what to make of the Locke thing, or where the island story goes from here.

Friday

05-29-2008, 08:44 PM

I, too, cried during some parts.... especially the Desmond/Penny reunion.

there is just too much to break apart and at this hour, waiting for ambien to kick.... i think i will wait until i watch it again.

but wow.... just wow.

King Imp

05-29-2008, 10:00 PM

Awesome season ender! I had a feeling when we saw the casket last season that it was going to be Locke simply because people wouldn't expect it with him never wanting to leave the island.

Was that the original Walt or did they have some older kid play him in the future? If it was the original, he really grew up.

Now, has Sun turned "bad" and is looking for revenge or is she setting Widmore up? I'd hate it if she became so bitter that she blamed her friends for Jin's "death" (I still think he's alive, as is Michael).

Oh, and I was all set to be majorly pissed if they refused to reveal who Jeremy Bentham was after all that.

Doctor Manhattan

05-30-2008, 01:57 AM

Was that the original Walt or did they have some older kid play him in the future? If it was the original, he really grew up.

That was indeed Malcolm David Kelley playing Walt. He didn't look that old in "Meet Kevin Johnson"

p.s. Desmond has to come back to defend Penny from Ben, right?

Good point, That and being Dan's "constant" should bring Desmond back to us! :clap:

Reynolds

05-30-2008, 02:23 AM

Why does the scientist guy have no problem getting back and forth with a stupid little boat, yet the helicopter can never find shit? Did Sawyer jumping off the chopper actually accomplish anything? I want a Mythbusters episode on that one. "Throw everything off that isn't bolted down" Blech how cliche.

Doogie

05-30-2008, 04:26 AM

I was laughing at how old Walt is now...all deep voiced and has to do the Tim Conway, "dorf" act to pretend like he is younger.

Drunky McBetidont

05-30-2008, 05:02 AM

sayid busted hurley out of the nut hut and then that story line was dropped, right? did sayid kill somebody at the nut hut on the way to get hurley?

Doctor Manhattan

05-30-2008, 05:14 AM

sayid busted hurley out of the nut hut and then that story line was dropped, right? did sayid kill somebody at the nut hut on the way to get hurley?

He did kill someone, and I'm sure the storyline wasn't dropped, it just wasn't continued last night, we'll have to wait until 2009. Sucks but would you rather wait for that or wait till 2009 to find out Locke was in the coffin?

**no spoiler tags, if you didn't watch it last night, reading this thread and are upset that you are getting spoiled about Locke dying in the future, you're an idiot. I saw as soon as it airs there is no need for spoler tags, if you can't watch it as it airs on the East Coast, avoid the thread until you can see it. If you are too busy to watch it by now, then you're too busy to read about it online

Why does the scientist guy have no problem getting back and forth with a stupid little boat, yet the helicopter can never find shit? Did Sawyer jumping off the chopper actually accomplish anything? I want a Mythbusters episode on that one. "Throw everything off that isn't bolted down" Blech how cliche.

The helicopter was lost because the island disappeared. Don't blame the pilot for that, The other time it was because he didn't follow the bearing correctly as a result of turbulence (drifted from 305 to 310) which the little boat isn't affected by. I don't think that turbulence would not normally cause a pilot to become lost but this isn't a normal place to be flying to and from.

I agree with you about Sawyer, I don't think it would help, not with how fast fuel was leaking.

marky2bucks

05-30-2008, 05:39 AM

Spoiler nazis, see Doc Manhattan's post above.

This 3 ton helicopter doesn't have enough gas, I'll jump off and lighten it by 200 lbs. Really? Why don't you just go out and plug the hole?

I shed a tear at the Des/Penny reunion

No Jacob? No 4-toed statue?

Charlotte/Widmore have been on the island??

Locke is the new Buddha, Richard Alpert is merely a priest.

How will they continue this next season when it is 4 years in the future? Time travel?

I will watch this on my DVR at least two more times it was so good

spadanko

05-30-2008, 05:53 AM

I think charolette is Annie, Ben's friend from when he was a kid

I think jin and Michael are alive. My guess is Christian was able to hold off the bomb until they get off

I think Des will certainly be aorund again. He will end up getting found by charles widmore

awesome awesome stuff

spadanko

05-30-2008, 05:54 AM

Yeah, so JB was a philosopher and John Locke was a philosopher. Here's the real significance:

The REAL Jeremy Bentham requested that his body be put on display in a wooden case for people to gaze upon after he died. Not a statue. His actual body. So it is - you can see it today at the University College London. He died in 1832, you know. This body is truly an antique.

I digress. The body has a wax head, because Bentham's real head was damaged in the preservation process. The real head used to be in the case with Jeremy, but students at the college kept pulling pranks with it so it had to be put in a secure location somewhere.

They still pull old Jeremy Bentham out for important meetings, where they list him as "present but not voting."

Gross. But... does this mean John Locke is made of wax? Maybe it's not really John Locke who is dead? Who knows what this means. But to me, that's the most interesting factoid about Jeremy Bentham... NOT the fact that he was a philosopher.

Doctor Manhattan

05-30-2008, 05:56 AM

How will they continue this next season when it is 4 years in the future? Time travel?

Do you mean it's 4 years in the future on the island now that it's been moved? It was 3 years in the future at the end of the flashforwards (Jack and Ben at Locke's coffin, at least it looks like the latest by our timeline) I think that is what Kate told Jack outside the airport which should be about the same time he broke in to see Locke.

The producers (Damon and Carlton) said:

All bets are off. We reserve the right to do flashforwards, flashbacks, flashsideways, and none of the above. I think when you see what we have cooking [for the finale]... you'll be asking what form Season 5 will take.

I have no idea where season 5 is going and it's really exciting! I just wish it wasn't so far off.

spadanko

05-30-2008, 06:09 AM

I am guessing season 5 we will see Locke leading teh others. also, what happens when the island move.. what became of jin and michael. and them getting back to the island

Reephdweller

05-30-2008, 06:12 AM

Gross. But... does this mean John Locke is made of wax? Maybe it's not really John Locke who is dead? Who knows what this means. But to me, that's the most interesting factoid about Jeremy Bentham... NOT the fact that he was a philosopher.

I think it's safe to assume we can take the spoilers off now. This is an interesting a thought. First of all, great episode and awesome season ender. I was wondering how Locke could actually die since all the others who have left the island have not been able to be killed. If that really is Locke perhaps it means when they bring him back to the island that he'll come back to life.

Doctor Manhattan

05-30-2008, 06:12 AM

I am guessing season 5 we will see Locke leading teh others. also, what happens when the island move.. what became of jin and michael. and them getting back to the island

The island moved, so Jin and Michael will have to find somewhere else to go. I think Dan and some other 815 people were in that little boat when the island moved.

I was wondering how Locke could actually die since all the others who have left the island have not been able to be killed.

Do we know this for sure?

Charles Widmore asks Ben if he has come to kill him. Ben says "we both know I can't do that." that implies that Charles can not just kill Ben, but even then there may only be a set of rules that they are following, and the rules were changed. We don't know if the island is preventing them from dying as it was with Michael and Jack off island.

Tom's interaction with Michael off island was not enough to convince me that he was protected by the island, just that Michael was. I can not think of any Others who were threatened off island.

KingGeno

05-30-2008, 06:13 AM

Reephdweller

05-30-2008, 06:18 AM

Yea, who knows about the setting in Season 5. They producers stated that Season 5 would be about why they want to go back, and how they try to get back. Season 6 will be them getting back.

It was just announced today that Emilie De Ravin (Claire) is on Contract Hold for season 5, but will be back for Season 6. Wonder if it will be the same for all other actors/actresses left on the island.

I wouldn't be surprised if Ben's idea of getting them all back will involve time travel to just before they left to stop the devastation (survivors killed) that happens after they leave the island, basically to undo everything that happened under Locke.

Perhaps Locke's death was also faked to throw off Widmore and his people.

KingGeno

05-30-2008, 06:21 AM

Perhaps Locke's death was also faked to throw off Widmore and his people.

I'd prefer for them to keep him dead, and build a story around it being that he fulfilled something that he was destined to do. Sayid told Hurley that his death was declared a "suicide", but he was obviously indicating that it was a lie.

I wanna see John Locke, who has run AWAY from this destiny his whole life, fulfill something and to be shown as finally being a hero and a winner.

Doctor Manhattan

05-30-2008, 06:40 AM

HOW THE HELL DID THAT BABY survive a crash landing in the water??

He takes after his mom.

K.C.

05-30-2008, 06:44 AM

Jin and Michael are deader than dead....Michael may be the most dead person in the history of dead, since he literally was standing in front of two tons of C4 when it detonated.

I like Jin, but I think it'd be cheap if he was still alive come Season 5. The only way he would survive is if he miraculously jumped off the freighter before it exploded, the freighter got sucked to the other side with the island when Ben moved it, and floated on the wreckage back to the island.

Too much circumstancial stuff.

The more I think about it, though, I do think Faraday got sucked through with the island and will be on it in Season 5.

Doctor Manhattan

05-30-2008, 06:51 AM

Jin and Michael are deader than dead....Michael may be the most dead person in the history of dead, since he literally was standing in front of two tons of C4 when it detonated.

You don't know if it exploded right after Christian said "you can go now" this is Lost, all bets are off.

That is how it was cut so it does make sense that he died, he did succeed in saving the people on the island and buying the people on the Freighter some time. I'm just saying I would not be surprised to see him again, alive, not just in a flashback.

spadanko

05-30-2008, 06:53 AM

Michael is dead

http://www.tvguide.com/news/lost-harold-perrineau/080530-03

K.C.

05-30-2008, 06:57 AM

You don't know if it exploded right after Christian said "you can go now" this is Lost, all bets are off.

That is how it was cut so it does make sense that he died, he did succeed in saving the people on the island and buying the people on the Freighter some time. I'm just saying I would not be surprised to see him again, alive, not just in a flashback.

The whole 'you can go now' line I took as Christian telling Michael he can die now.

Michael's story arc is done. The whole point of it was about him wanting to die and a not being able to, so I don't know how that line could mean anything else than the island was allowing him to die.

The irony of it all is that I got the sense that having faced the people he betrayed, and helped them, Michael may not have wanted to die anymore when he actually did.

Jin, I could see them bringing back as being alive. I just don't think it'd be the best idea. I think his story arc is pretty much completed too. He made nice with his wife, fulfilled his promise to get her and his baby off the island, and died trying to do something heroic.

But again, it wouldn't completely shock me to see him turn up.

K.C.

05-30-2008, 07:01 AM

Michael is dead

http://www.tvguide.com/news/lost-harold-perrineau/080530-03

Sounds like he's pretty pissed about it. I do kind of agree with him, that they basically brought him back for like three scenes and then killed him.

It was a bit of a waste. That said, the way he went out was pretty awesome.

Doctor Manhattan

05-30-2008, 07:08 AM

Michael is dead

http://www.tvguide.com/news/lost-harold-perrineau/080530-03

I stand corrected. I have not read anything outside of this thread and the summary on Lostpedia. As I said, it does make sense that he died in the explosion. He did what he set out to do.

A reunion with Walt would be nice, but with Walt so big now, it wouldn't be like he was back with the Son he knew for those 2 months before he left the island. He's gone for good.

spadanko

05-30-2008, 07:11 AM

i really don't see how it was racist though

TV Guide: Were you disappointed Michael and Walt didn't reconnect before your character died?
Perrineau: Listen, if I'm being really candid, there are all these questions about how they respond to black people on the show. Sayid gets to meet Nadia again, and Desmond and Penny hook up again, but a little black boy and his father hooking up, that wasn't interesting? Instead, Walt just winds up being another fatherless child. It plays into a really big, weird stereotype and, being a black person myself, that wasn't so interesting. [Responds Cuse: "We pride ourselves on having a very racially diverse cast. It's painful when any actor's storyline ends on the show. Harold is a fantastic actor whose presence added enormously to Lost."]

Doctor Manhattan

05-30-2008, 07:17 AM

i really don't see how it was racist though

I don't see it either. Walt, Mr. Eko and Matthew Abaddon are among the most interesting characters on the show.

The stereotype of black fathers does not apply as a major theme of the whole show is father issues, there really isn't any father on the show that doesn't have a serious issue with their child(ren)

KingGeno

05-30-2008, 07:29 AM

I just think that he is angry about not being on the show, but I bet he will be on the show a LOT more now that he is dead. Even though there are only two seasons left.

I wanna know what the frozen wheel was connected to, and why it was frozen so far down in the earth.

Furtherman

05-30-2008, 07:34 AM

What a great ending. Lost never disappoints.

Kate just said the name of the person in the Coffin in Jack's flashforward (Through the Looking Glass) but I did not recognize it. Anyone know if I just missed something?

First of all, how awesome was that scene from season 3's finale continued tonight. They filmed that over a year ago and sat on that footage specifically for last night's finale. I don't ever want to hear that the show's creators don't know where they're going again.

Best line of ALL time in the history of any show ever: You can go now, Michael.

I thought the best line last night was "Checkmate, Mr. Echo."

How I would love to see him come back.

I think charolette is Annie, Ben's friend from when he was a kid

I think jin and Michael are alive. My guess is Christian was able to hold off the bomb until they get off

I think Des will certainly be aorund again. He will end up getting found by charles widmore

Good call on Charlotte. I was confused about her being there before.

I thought Michael and Jin could still be alive. But I guess Michael is dead, although I figured Christian Shepard could have saved him.

I do think Jin is still alive. He could have easily jumped from where he was in regards to the explosion.

I hope Desmond is still around! I too got a little misty at Desmond and Penny's reunion.

JANUARY!!! I just hope they don't wait until December to release this season on DVD. I want to watch all over again immediately!

KingGeno

05-30-2008, 07:44 AM

Sun's reunion with Jin will be the Penny/Desmond story for the upcoming two series.

It is going to be crazy to watch Season 5, and see how they get everyone back together and how they get back to the island.

We'll see what happens on the island with the jump through time to 2005, which I assume is the time. If you see the Ben-centric episode earleir this season, that was Ben landing in the Sahara after he turned the giant wheel to make the island disappear.

I am NOT looking forward to the possibility of Penny being killed by Ben....

I am looking forward to STILL finding out the secrets of the island, the smoke monster's origin and status, the four-toed statue, and what the big wheel was turning.

I wanna also know what the "Black Rock" truly is.

Doctor Manhattan

05-30-2008, 08:08 AM

I wanna also know what the "Black Rock" truly is.

The Black Rock is that ship in the middle of the jungle. :wink:

JANUARY!!! I just hope they don't wait until December to release this season on DVD. I want to watch all over again immediately!
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2598/losts4dvdxi1.jpg

It is due to be released on December 9, 2008 so that it can be sold for Christmas and lead the promotion for Season 5.

You can see the shows on ABC.com, iTunes or "other (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_%28protocol%29)" methods.

spadanko

05-30-2008, 08:29 AM

Alternate endings

http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=aca2495f-f92c-4a42-8bed-c29673721547

Doctor Manhattan

05-30-2008, 08:34 AM

Alternate endings

http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=aca2495f-f92c-4a42-8bed-c29673721547

That's how they presented it? They talked over it. Shut the fuck up and just play the clip! It's only a few seconds long. I'm glad I didn't fall for the promotion and tune in for that.

K.C.

05-30-2008, 08:42 AM

I now have a theory about The Swan vs. The Orchid.

I think the purpose of The Swan was to keep the island suspended in time 100 milliseconds ahead of the normal flow of time, or whatever number Halliwax lays out in the orientation video, thus making it impossible to find from the real world.

When Desmond missed pushing the button the first time, connection to the island reappeared and the plane flew into island space and then broke apart from the electromagnetic force pulling on it from the Swan.

When it blew up, the island became permanently accessible fro the mainland, hence the need to move the island to save it.

The Orchid can continually move the island to a fixed position at some point in the future, which is the failsafe when it is not protected by The Swan.

The problem, is that the Orchid advances the island to a point, and then that's it. It does not continually keep the island suspended like the Swan did.

Furtherman

05-30-2008, 08:46 AM

stinkbud

05-30-2008, 08:47 AM

My feeling on Locke in the coffin...

The Oceanic 6 left the island. Ben could not go back because he moved the island in the Orchid. I am guessing that for some reason, the Island had to be moved yet again and Locke was the one to do it. He was teleported away the same way Ben was and HAD to die in order to be brought back to the island.

K.C.

05-30-2008, 08:49 AM

I actually was reading something of interest that suggests that Locke may be in the coffin and alive on the island at the same time....the dual existence is kind of hinted at with the bunny experiment in the Orchid by DHARMA.

The problem with this is why the hell would Ben tell Jack he needs to take him back to the island.

KingGeno

05-30-2008, 08:52 AM

The Black Rock is that ship in the middle of the jungle. :wink:

I'm aware of the ship name.

But is that really the only black rock? You have the black smoke monster, the black powder around Jacob's cabin, the black rock they found on one of the dead bodies (Adam and Eve) in the caves from early in the series, the black stallion that Kate saw. Few others too.

All very confusing, but it seems that there is always a black and white on the island.

Doctor Manhattan

05-30-2008, 08:57 AM

I'm aware of the ship name.

I was just playing with ya.

Here is a Lostpedia article (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Black_rocks) about the different black rocks seen on the show other than the ship by than name. Since they film in Hawaii they are going to have an endless supply of them (volcanic island means black volcanic rock)

K.C.

05-30-2008, 09:06 AM

I was just playing with ya.

Here is a Lostpedia article (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Black_rocks)about the different black rocks seen on the show other than the ship by than name. Since they film in Hawaii they are going to have an endless supply of them (volcanic island means black volcanic rock)

It's been hinted at by the producers that they're going to do something involving there being a volcano on the island.

Fallon

05-30-2008, 09:19 AM

Best line of ALL time in the history of any show ever: You can go now, Michael.

I liked:
Locke: You killed them all!
Ben: So?

K.C.

05-30-2008, 10:56 AM

So, who has to go back?

-Jack
-Kate
-Sayid
-Hurley
-Aaron
-Sun
-Walt
-Locke
-Desmond??? (wasn't originally on the plane)
-FranK?? (wasn't originally on the plane)

I have a feeling the first half of next season is going to be kind of slow. They need to get everyone in the right place and that usually takes a while.

Now, it looks like they've already done some of that. Ben has already recruited Sayid, Jack, and Locke's corpse...Hurley is with Sayid now.

Lapidus will probably be easy since, he's a conspiracy nut. Walt seems to know what's up, too, so I'm sure he'll be game

Kate & Aaron will probably be the holdouts....Sun will go, but betray them all to Widmore, helping him find the island once they get back.

I have a feeling Desmond will be haunted by visions of Charlie and Claire during an episode next season, which will be his motivation for going back.

Furtherman

05-30-2008, 11:21 AM

This is funny...

THE OPENING ACT
FROM THE ORIGINAL,
UNUSED TELEPLAY
OF LOST'S PILOT
EPISODE. (http://mcsweeneys.net/2008/5/29bridgman.html)

KingGeno

05-30-2008, 11:36 AM

Wonder if Locke was able to walk when he visited the Oceanic 6 off island.

Friday

05-30-2008, 11:37 AM

you know what's really been burning like a bonfire in my soul?

where is the doggy?!?

:happy:

KingGeno

05-30-2008, 11:43 AM

you know what's really been burning like a bonfire in my soul?

where is the doggy?!?

:happy:

I guess the Doggy must be there too...........

Interesting. I thought the dog was going to be in the casket.

Doctor Manhattan

05-30-2008, 12:24 PM

Was the dog with Walt and Michael at the end of Season 2?

AnnoyedGrunt

05-30-2008, 01:36 PM

What did Sawyer say to Kate before he jumped? Is that supposed to be a 'Lost in Translation' moment or did I just not hear it?

05-30-2008, 01:47 PM

What did Sawyer say to Kate before he jumped? Is that supposed to be a 'Lost in Translation' moment or did I just not hear it?

you weren't supposed to hear it.....yet.
remember in the 1st hour Kate was on the phone and finally revealed to Jack that it was to do something Sawyer had asked her to do.

Having Claire tell Kate to make sure he (Aaron I assume) should never go back and
Ben telling Jack EVERYONE must go back - that has to be the first major issue next year.

I agree that Penny may be a big focus next year; the Penny/Desmond, Desmond/Widmore,
Widmore/Ben setup will insure more Desmond.

MagillaGorillaz

05-30-2008, 08:58 PM

Now that I finally watched the 2 parter earlier last night, and everyone has some awesome ideas from it. Here are some things I picked up on.

In the first scence Kate's car plate is 4okd695. They seemed to show that for a while. It almost looks like it say's lok but I can't figure out what d695 might mean.

Sayid ask the guy what time it was. They guy said 8:15. And It sounded like Ben had Sayid kill Locke, like this was the plan.

I can't help but wonder how Juliette and Sawyer will be up to next season after seeing them on the beach. It wouldn't surprise me to see Sawyer leading The Others, or if Juliette had orders from Ben to stay on the island all along.

And Jack's dad "We'll take it from here Michael." Who's we? Claire or Jacob?

KingGeno

05-31-2008, 12:10 AM

Was the dog with Walt and Michael at the end of Season 2?

Vincent showed up recently on the beach, barking at the doctor that floated ashore.

What's odd is that I read a while ago that the producers were thinking about having an episode, or part of an episode showing Vincent's adventure. No joke.

K.C.

05-31-2008, 02:49 AM

Vincent showed up recently on the beach, barking at the doctor that floated ashore.

What's odd is that I read a while ago that the producers were thinking about having an episode, or part of an episode showing Vincent's adventure. No joke.

Yeah, that's actually true....they were considering doing an episode similar to the Nikki and Paulo episode where we see what happened to Vincent from Day 1 on the island up until the present time of when it airs.

I think they scrapped it last season, though.

There was actually a lot of talk that the dog was another manifestation of Jacob/The Smoke Monster, since it always seems to turn up before or during key moments, but I'm not entirely sure.

Reynolds

05-31-2008, 02:54 AM

You can see the shows on ABC.com, iTunes or "other (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_%28protocol%29)" methods.

I prefer "other" methods. I don't believe in paying for something that was free to begin with.

fezident

05-31-2008, 04:05 AM

Question:
What was ultimately the reason for having to enter the numbers and pressing the button?
If Desmond hadn't done a manual overide, would the island have moved??!!

ChrisTheCop

05-31-2008, 11:41 AM

Someone at work clued me in on this theory, which I like a lot.
It's lonnnnng but explains so much... possibly.

ENJOY (http://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.html)

As for the season finale,
I loved seeing Sayid kicking ass. Just a great fight scene.
I was highly surprised at two points:
1.When the Portuguese guy on the boat said, "Miss Widmore!" I nearly crapped my pants.
Ive said it before, and I'm not ashamed to say it again; I dont fully understand why, but their story pulls my strings like no other love story ever has. Very cool.
2. Locke in the box. Yeah yeah, we all had him on our list of who it could be, but no one had him at the TOP. And right up to the moment, I was expecting to see... Christian, Ben, Richard even! But Locke was all but eliminated in my mind. Amazing!

Ok, now go read that theory. I promise you, it's interesting.

fezident

05-31-2008, 03:14 PM

Nice post, Chris.
I only skimmed it but, so far... it looks like some pretty solid logic on that site. Can't wait to really get in there. The FAQ alone is pure gold!

IamPixie

06-01-2008, 10:07 AM

Someone at work clued me in on this theory, which I like a lot.
It's lonnnnng but explains so much... possibly.

ENJOY (http://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.html)

:ohmy: well, that explains A LOT. :wacko:

ChrisTheCop

06-02-2008, 09:05 AM

:ohmy: well, that explains A LOT. :wacko:

too long? hey, i warned you it was long!

anywho... i had an epiphany this morning after getting hit with a softball in my groin...

Michael may have been thinking that the blast wouldnt kill him, since he's been told he cant die, and has tried over and over to kill himself. He may have thought he would live, which is why he should be the one to stay behind... sadly, the island was done with him, and as Christian said, he can go now. He's dead.

The island still needs Jin; he is (at the very least) the reason for Sun to return/Sun's reward for returning.
The island will not allow him to die.
He's alive, and will somehow end up on the island in it's new dimension.

extracheese

06-05-2008, 05:22 PM

ChrisTheCop

06-05-2008, 09:47 PM

Dont congradulate Chris...i posted the TIMELOOP theory...midseason a few months back.

But does anyone read???? noooooo

Next thing you know youll congradulate him for predicting last week that Charlie won't survive the season.

See you all in February 2009

i was afraid someone had. I've read every post here, but have a terrible memory, and I wasnt gonna re-read just to make sure it was/wasnt there! Silly!
Also--the guy updates it weekly, so....... I found the stuff from midseason on! NYAH!

By the way, is it ExtraCheese, or ExtraPlain????

KingGeno

06-06-2008, 06:15 AM

I read the timeloop thing a long time ago, and others have also.

Interesting article, and kudos to the WRITER of the article. You linkers get a golfclap. :clap:

K.C.

06-07-2008, 08:01 AM

Timeloop theory doesn't make total sense, but I definitely think it's on the right track.

extracheese

06-07-2008, 08:49 AM

what DOES make sense is that ever since KATE dumped the HOBBIT (in real life) she is even hotter than ever, and has regained my faith in women and humanity.

watch...i'll find out she is dating Hurley..sigh.

AnnoyedGrunt

06-07-2008, 09:38 AM

While the time loop is interesting I can't see how they could explain that on the show without an entire episode devoted to exposition.

K.C.

06-08-2008, 10:18 AM

I came up with a list of unanswered or partially answered questions that was three pages long in MS Word.

I'm going to attempt to answer them all over the Summer. I'll post them here as a finish some of them. Here's the first batch:

What caused the crash of 815?
I don’t believe the explanation that Desmond not pushing the button in the hatch was the physical cause of the crash. And one thing that sticks in my mind is the scene in ‘Confirmed Dead’ (Season 4, Episode 2) where Frank is watching the coverage of the 815 crash and says ‘I was suppose to be flying 815 that day.’ I think the crash was orchestrated, to some degree. The Pilot (Seth Norris) was given the bearing to reach the island and told that Jacob would take care of everything once he flew over it. So in a sense, I believe Ben knew the plane would crash that day, too, and knew there’d be survivors in both the fuselage and tail section, hence his immediate plan to send Ethan and Goodwin. Once the crash was complete, the Smoke Monster kills the pilot on the first day. I don’t think that’s coincidental. The island was silencing him.

What purpose do the polar bears serve?
I don’t think they serve any larger purpose, other than to hint at the teleportation aspect of the island.

What is The Smoke Monster?
Obviously, it’s some type of arbiter. Whether anyone actually controls it, is another question. It looked like Ben knew how to manipulate the Smoke Monster, but ultimately doesn’t control it. And the time Juliet and Kate were running from it suggested that it’s as big a danger to The Others as it is to the 815ers. I’m going to choose to think of this like the Santa Claus Robot in the Futurama Christmas Episode. The Smoke Monster was designed to scan people and judge them as being either good or bad based on their lives. Somewhere in the designing of the Smoke Monster, it went haywire and ultimately judges everybody bad.

What is Rousseau’s story?
Well, the story she used to tell makes no sense. What also is troublesome is that Rousseau would have arrived on the island in 1988 and given birth to Alex. According to Mikhail, in Enter 77 (Season 3, Episode 11), DHARMA was purged in 1992. This is corroborated in Locke’s vision of Horace Goodspeed in Cabin Fever (Season 4, Episode 11).

So there is time issue here. Ben would not have taken Alex until she was at least four years old., assuming she’s sixteen which she appeared to be (she’s certainly not 12 on the show), or else we would have seen him with a child during the DHARMA purge. It would also be odd the Rousseau would record a distress signal at the Radio Tower, presumably built and maintained by DHARMA, in 1988 with DHARMA still on the island and no one would find her or hear it. None of it makes sense.

The theory I’m buying in to more and more is that Rousseau was in fact Annie. She left the island as a child. Then Ben started the purge. After that settled down, he went to find Annie to convince her to come back, but she had settled down with someone else and had a child. So, Ben kidnapped both Annie and Alex and brainwashed them in Room 23, like he was attempting to do with Karl. Alex’s memories of her mother were erased, and Annie was reprogrammed to believe her name was a French woman named Danielle Rousseau and she shipwrecked on the island as part of a science team (hence the horrible French accent). My guess is that Rousseau had flashes of her real memories creep in over time.

I think the final chapter of this story will be told in a Ben episode in Season 5 or 6.

Why was Locke healed by the island?
This one is answered. Jacob chose him for a specific purpose.

What is Locke’s significance?
To guide Jack to ultimately become the protector of the island and leader of its people by the end of the series.

Who or what is Christian Shephard?
I think Christian was an actual normal human being who died in Sydney. There's been some thought that he was always controlled by Jacob or is in fact Jacob. I don't buy that. I'd say now, he’s being controlled by Jacob. The question is how much of what he says and does is Jacob and how much is Christian. And this is where it gets interesting. I think Jacob chose Christian, because Christian has past connections to the island. We know that the Others function off-island as well as on-island. Richard deals on their behalf under the guise of the company Mittleos Bioscience, as we’ve seen in a couple episodes. I’d say that Christian was part of the off-island network of the Others. Also, it would not shock me if Christian had spent considerable time on the island in the past, or was even born there.

Who or what are ‘Adam and Eve’ and why do they have black and white gemstones?
I don’t buy that this is Jack and Kate, or Sawyer and Kate, or any combination of the survivors, and I would be very disappointed if the ultimate reveal on this is that two of the survivors time travel to the past and die there. I’m going to go with the idea that the Adam and Eve skeletons represent the last two survivors of the Black Rock shipwreck, and that the gemstones were part of some primitive backgammon set. Ultimately, the gemstones represent the overall good and bad theme of the show.

What happened to Rousseau’s ‘team’?
Never existed. See my answer for ‘What’s Rousseau’s story?’

What is ‘the sickness’?
Never existed. See my answer for ‘What’s Rousseau’s story?’

Why are The Others the ‘carriers’?
The only thing they’re carriers of is infertility. There was no sickness. See my answer for ‘What’s Rousseau’s story?’

Why are the presence of The Others announced by Whispers? What are they?
The whispers also precede the appearance of Christian in the Season 4 finale. I would say they’re some special technique or power granted to those who are deemed protectors of the island that helps them…well…protect the island. There was some thought that the Whispers hinted that The Others were either undead or half-dead or something along those lines, but I don’t buy it. I think in this case it’s a simple answer.

extracheese

06-08-2008, 02:08 PM

Kudos for putting in print what most people just think sitting in traffic. Its good/bad that there are 2 seasons left. Good because we get 2 years of top notch entertainment. Bad because it means waiting until 2010 to find out how close everyone is in their theories and getting some much needed closure on all this.
The writers have a really tough job ahead. To end the show and make it a winner. The Soprano writers had a very easy job IMHO in their choices of ending it and chose the worst possible ending they could...akin to LOST being a dream of Locke or....simply not answing questions and leaving it up to the viewer to figure out.

on an unrelated topic...isnt it odd how bent out of shape Sayid gets when his GF gets killed - it takes over his whole life. But when he lost Shannon he looked pissed for a moment and ... minutes later ...all forgotten.

ChrisTheCop

06-08-2008, 04:05 PM

The Soprano writers had a very easy job IMHO in their choices of ending it and chose the worst possible ending they could...akin to LOST being a dream of Locke or....simply not answing questions and leaving it up to the viewer to figure out.

Amen! I have much more faith in the Lost writers/creators than I ever will in David Chase again. They have said time and time again there IS an ending, and god dammit I believe them!!!

on an unrelated topic...isnt it odd how bent out of shape Sayid gets when his GF gets killed - it takes over his whole life. But when he lost Shannon he looked pissed for a moment and ... minutes later ...all forgotten.

Well, his wife is the love of his life; Shannon was merely a substitution.

K.C.

06-14-2008, 08:03 AM

More progress in my attempt to answer all the unanswerables:

Why is Walt special?
Walt seems to have the ability to foresee parts of the future and parts of the past. Whether or not the projection of Walt that Locke sees in the Season 3 finale is in fact Walt or Jacob is another question. But I would actually equate Walt’s ability somewhat to Miles’ ability in that he can perceive certain things when being in the vicinity of people. In addition, though, it seems Walt has some control to bend things to his will. In his first (and only) flashback in Season 1, he gets angry at his mom and Brian, and the anger is reflected by a bird flying in to the glass of the Sydney apartment and dying. A similar instance occurs if you’ve ever seen the ‘Room 23’ mobile phone episode.

As to why he has these particular gifts…I would be willing to bet his mother, or maybe even someone higher in his lineage is connected with the island. I kind of expect Walt to play a bigger role in Season 5, especially since they seem to have the age logistics figured out.

Why does Walt tell Locke not to open the hatch in Season 1?
In a sense, it’s all down hill for the survivors when they open the hatch…they tangle with The Others…they tangle with the Freighties. Plus it’s still quite possible the implosion of the Swan is what allowed the freighties to locate the island…but that’s another story for another time.

What is the Black Rock and its significance?
The Black Rock is a centuries old mining ship, and the first vessel to land on the island. I feel confident in saying that its patrons became the Hostiles (and eventually the Others), and that Richard was aboard at the time.

What is Mr. Paik’s connection to Charles Widmore & DHARMA? Does he play a role in the cover up?
More and more, it seems to me that the crash was orchestrated. There are just too many elements that were working to get certain people on Flight 815, and it’s too ridiculous to attribute it all to Jacob’s power, or the Island’s will. My guess is Paik was a supplier to DHARMA who also has had a vested interest in locating the and helped in both the orchestration of the crash and the cover up.

What are the significance of the Numbers?
In one of the side online stories, the Numbers are derived from an imaginary equation that predicts the end of the human race. Unfortunately, I don’t think we’ll ever get more then they are the torment of Hurley in terms of the actual on-air show. Although, I could see it forecasting Hurley’s being on 815 as either the doom of all the 815 passengers, or what will ultimately save the survivors from doom.

Was Hurley supposed to go to the island?
He wasn’t. Everything that possibly could try and stop him from getting on the plan happened. And in that sense, Hurley is special as well. I would guess he has the ability to operate outside of the rules of fate on the island, but hasn’t realized his importance yet. Again, this could be the doom or the salvation of the survivors, depending on where they go with the show.

Santa Rosa Mental Institution has been a fixture of several episodes? Any coincidence?
Hurley, Libby, Locke’s mother, and the crazy guy who gave Hurley the numbers have all tied to Santa Rosa. Still, I’m going to just chalk Hurley and Locke’s mother being there to coincidence. There’s obviously something more to the Libby story, that involves her tracking Hurley, and given the episode where she gives Desmond the boat, I'd say she's an envoy of Widmore's who was set up, unknowingly, by her employer to crash on the island.

How does the Nigerian beech craft end up on the island? Why?
This is a good question that’s never been answered. It seems pretty improbable that a plane of that size would be able to reach the South Pacific from Nigeria. It could, however, reach Tunisia, which makes me believe there is another link entrance to the island from Tunisia. There’s obviously an exit, as Ben ends up there after moving the island. But the plane doesn’t end up in, at, or anywhere near the Orchid, so it’s confusing exactly what moving to and from the island through Tunisia entails.