Lost - Season Four

[Doctor Manhattan]

This video was introduced by Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse as a teaser for Season 4; presented at the Lost Panel at the 2007 San Diego Comic-Con:

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[King Imp]

It's fun to play what hidden messages are in these videos. I caught 4 of them.

1) Some black guy with glasses and a tie with some people around him.
2) A shot of a large building.
3) A sign that says God loves you as He loved Jacob.
4) An upside down shot of someone riding a bike on what looks to be where the Others lived.

Of course none of that makes any sense, but it's fun to look for anyway.

[Doctor Manhattan]

It's fun to play what hidden messages are in these videos. I caught 4 of them.

1) Some black guy with glasses and a tie with some people around him...

That looked like Gerald DeGroot from the Orientation film from the Lost episode called "Orientation"

[Johnny Manf]

yeah I think lostpedia.com confirmed it was DeGroot.
And when the kid is riding the bike, I think he/she is right near when you pass the security fence i believe.
where jack was playing football with tom.

[Don Stugots]

"God loves you as he did Jacob" interesting.

[Reephdweller]

Looks really interesting...here's some of the screencaps that have been posted on wackbag....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Budyzir/lost1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Budyzir/lost2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Budyzir/lost3.jpg

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3909/20070728184514yo7.jpg

[IamFogHat]

Yay! Lost thread 7 months before it starts! My chick and I will be starting our own lost fan podcast soon so I have been out of my mind obsessive lately.
I love that Michael is coming back as a regular, I've been dying to know how his story wraps up.
Anyway, thanks DocManhattan, I'm giddy now with Lostness on RonFezNet!

[pittphantoms]

Reminds me of "The Prestige" - making doubles of something. This would explain how they found the bodies on a plane back home while the real passengers are on the island ...

[Furtherman]

That TVGuide.com is saying Kristen Bell is rumored to be on the next season of Lost.

You better get busy clipping them there Snapple coupons, Erin. And while you're at it, slap on a pair of Depends, 'cause this is the kind of exclusive casting prattle that causes mass piddling: I can tell you for a fact that Kristen's name has been brought up with regard to the new role of Charlotte, the hot twentysomething who is said to be "precocious, loquacious and funny... a very successful academic who also knows how to handle herself in the real world." Yep, sounds like our Kristen! The only question now is whether my in-demand BFF is ready to jump back into another series. And, if so, will the financial toll wrought by all those Snapple purchases force Erin to declare bankruptcy? Please, God, let the answer be "Yes!" to all of the above!

[EliSnow]

Anyone else thinking time travel?

[Furtherman]

Anyone else thinking time travel?

Yes. Especially in regards to the Desmond flashback last season as to what happened to him when his pressed the button underneath the hatch. It seemed to me he time traveled.

[ChrisTheCop]

That TVGuide.com is saying Kristen Bell is rumored to be on the next season of Lost.
for those, like me, who didnt know who she is:
http://cdn.maximonline.com/uploadedCmsFiles/Slides/46_kristen_bell_2989.jpg
nice!


and yes, i think time travel is obviously an imminent course.

[spadanko]

unfortunatley according to tvguide.com, Bell has turned down the roll... shit

http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/Exclusive-Kristen-Bell/800020200

[King Imp]

unfortunatley according to tvguide.com, Bell has turned down the roll... shit

http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/Exclusive-Kristen-Bell/800020200


"Did Kristen Bell say no to Lost because she's planning a trip to Broadway? That's the buzz along the Great White Way. One of my Broadway moles tells me that Bell could be replacing Laura Bell Bundy in Legally Blonde this February."


Yeah, there's a great career move. Say no to one of the hottest TV shows ever for a lame role on Broadway. While she's at it, maybe she can turn down a Heroes offer in hopes that Veronica Mars will be picked up again.

[Ay Kay Forty2]

I wonder why type of role Kristen Bell was going to do?

[Don Stugots]

I wonder why type of role Kristen Bell was going to do?

cute but sexy, chick that we want to jack all over the face of.

[Havoc]

I wonder why type of role Kristen Bell was going to do?

Charlotte:
Late 20s. Very attractive in a naturalistic, athletic way, her looks are only one
small part of charms. Precocious, loquacious, and funny, Charlotte a very successful academic who also knows how to handle herself in the real world. On a personal level it is hard to crack the hard shell of poise and certainty around her, but when it DOES crack its like an egg; lots of repressed and pent up emotions spill out.
(Starts with Episode #402 - August 29, 2007 in Hawaii).
RECURRING ARC WITH A POSSIBLE OPTION FOR SERIES REGULAR FOR NEXT SEASON.

[drusilla]

i don't remember if this has been posted before

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[Ay Kay Forty2]

i don't remember if this has been posted before

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that's fucking hilarous. I bet the Evangeline Lilly from the past is saying to herself "I wonder if I'll ever get off this metaphysical oasis of bad comericals about horny no-nothing fucks who wanta talk to horny sorority girls with abortion scars". While the Evangeline Lilly from the present is saying to herself, "I'm on a popular/mildly cultist prime-time show actress that has a mysterious island of wonder and confusion where I live in Hawaii with a burnt house and presently boinking a frumpy hobbit."

She knows what's the good life. Good bless that Canadian Lass. I really hope she doesn't become the next Jennifer Garner and make a Electra-equese version of Spider-man's Black Cat.

[Furtherman]

Anyone else thinking time travel?

Yes. Especially in regards to the Desmond flashback last season as to what happened to him when his pressed the button underneath the hatch. It seemed to me he time traveled.

http://community.tvguide.com/servlet/ImgServlet?mx=220&attachImage=true&contentType=image%2Fjpeg&attachment=800007315&crop=false

TVGuide.com is reporting that Cynthia Watros' character will be back this season. (http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/Exclusive-Lost-Resurrects/800022625)

Her story will be told in multiple flashback scenes.

But, the article also links to a Lost website which, of course, has a lot of theories on the show. But this one they highlight is about what we thought Eli Snow, time travel.

And it's a great theory!

The Libby Factor (http://www.thetailsection.com/lost-theories/lost-theory-the-libby-factor.php)

[Servo]

Also, Entertainment Weekly reported recently on a few new castmembers in the upcoming season, including the Asian kid who was Uncle Junior's pal in the nut-hut on Sopranos, and Lance Reddick who plays Lt. Daniels on The Wire.

[Ay Kay Forty2]

also, the guy who played the Lawnmower Man in...well, the Lawnmower Man. Jeff Fahey. If ya caught Planet Terror, he was the guy who owned the BBQ joint.

[sailor]

for those, like me, who didnt know who she is:
http://cdn.maximonline.com/uploadedCmsFiles/Slides/46_kristen_bell_2989.jpg
nice!


and yes, i think time travel is obviously an imminent course.

sheepy must be all excited.

[midwestjeff]

http://www.tmz.com/2007/10/26/daniel-dae-kim-i-am-deeply-ashamed-and-embarrassed/

[ChrisTheCop]

man, either the dui laws in hawaii are too strict, or these actors all have problems.

[cupcakelove]

I guess we know who's dying this season.

[MM2]

What does the writers strike mean for Lost? Do they already have a bunch written? I hope so!

[Furtherman]

I read yesterday that they have 8 ready to go... but they don't want another abbreviated first part of a season, as they had last year (with six episodes).

So... if it's not settled... they may just wait it out... and that would mean no Lost until 2009.

[MM2]

I read yesterday that they have 8 ready to go... but they don't want another abbreviated first part of a season, as they had last year (with six episodes).

So... if it's not settled... they may just wait it out... and that would mean no Lost until 2009.

Holy crap, you've gotta be kidding me! That would suck so much ass its not even funny!

[Furtherman]

Holy crap, you've gotta be kidding me! That would suck so much ass its not even funny!

I know, I couldn't even bear to post that news yesterday.

[MM2]

I know, I couldn't even bear to post that news yesterday.

It was hard enough having to wait until February or whatever, man you just ruined my day :sad:

haha.

[Chris from TX]

Sucks.

I hadn't seen a second of LOST until last month, so I don't even realize how long I have to wait between seasons. Hopefully they can start production up after the strike, with as little delay as possible so it isn't bumped to fall etc.

[patsopinion]

Charlotte:
Late 20s. Very attractive in a naturalistic, athletic way, her looks are only one
small part of charms. Precocious, loquacious, and funny, Charlotte a very successful academic who also knows how to handle herself in the real world. On a personal level it is hard to crack the hard shell of poise and certainty around her, but when it DOES crack its like an egg; lots of repressed and pent up emotions spill out.
(Starts with Episode #402 - August 29, 2007 in Hawaii).
RECURRING ARC WITH A POSSIBLE OPTION FOR SERIES REGULAR FOR NEXT SEASON.

they should give me a shot at the role
thats me word for word

[IamFogHat]

First mobisode is on UTube.
Um, enjoy, I guess.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8nqUJ99YUE

[Chris from TX]

First mobisode is on UTube.
Um, enjoy, I guess.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8nqUJ99YUE

The more I see of Christian Shephard, the more I like that drunk. Don't know what I am supposed to get out of this "mobisode" though.

[ChrisTheCop]

even a teeny bit of Lost is great.

now...is this an edit or something upcoming?

either way, I have a theory. Remember my Father theory? ok..it goes along with it... Sun's father gave Jin a watch too; if u recall Michael had it on for awhile and Jin was all upset. Now, if it's an edit, the writers just decided to give "the watch" to someone else... or if its upcoming, then the watch conspiracy comes into play. Either way, the watch(es) are going to be significant. And we may end up seeing other characters having watches from their fathers. Perhaps they (or it) actually has a gps type deal in it? Kinda like the rich fathers all "tagged" their kids before sending them onto the island...

[IamFogHat]

even a teeny bit of Lost is great.

now...is this an edit or something upcoming?

either way, I have a theory. Remember my Father theory? ok..it goes along with it... Sun's father gave Jin a watch too; if u recall Michael had it on for awhile and Jin was all upset. Now, if it's an edit, the writers just decided to give "the watch" to someone else... or if its upcoming, then the watch conspiracy comes into play. Either way, the watch(es) are going to be significant. And we may end up seeing other characters having watches from their fathers. Perhaps they (or it) actually has a gps type deal in it? Kinda like the rich fathers all "tagged" their kids before sending them onto the island...

This is actually the first episode of a series of stand alone 2-2:30 minute clips that were supposed to tie us over during the break, so my understanding is that we'll basically never have any reference to them again in the actual show. But I do like the tagging idea, that would be sweet if they explored that this season.

[IamFogHat]

New mobisode is up. I would say it is just as bad as the first one, but that would be a lie, because it's worse. Watch anyway, only two minutes. Enjoy.

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2007/11/lost-mobisode-2-missing-pieces-hurley.html

[patsopinion]

libby
i just started watching the show and have no idear who that is
and whats the dude from the pauley shore jury movie doing on the show?

[ChrisTheCop]

libby
i just started watching the show and have no idear who that is
and whats the dude from the pauley shore jury movie doing on the show?

Libby is....well.....just watch the show.

And that guy is also the guy from one of my favorite commercials, trying to answer a trivia question with food in his mouth (I forget what it was for of course), "Aarron Burrrr"

[suggums]

Libby is....well.....just watch the show.

And that guy is also the guy from one of my favorite commercials, trying to answer a trivia question with food in his mouth (I forget what it was for of course), "Aarron Burrrr"

the guy was eating a peanut butter sandwich, and it was a milk commercial

[Doctor Manhattan]

The more I see of Christian Shephard, the more I like that drunk. Don't know what I am supposed to get out of this "mobisode" though.

Does Jack wear this watch on the island? If so I never noticed.

I was just thinking they wanted to just have a "time" reference, but I do like ChrisTheCop's tagging theory.

[Chris from TX]

Jack wasn't wearing a watch in the pilot or 'looking glass', so he probably wasn't wearing one during his stay on the island.

[K.C.]

I've been thinking an awful lot about the show lately, so I figured I'd go through each character and assess their odds of dying this season, and before the end of the series.

Here's part one:


Jack
We already know he survives from the flash-forward. Never thought there was much chance of him dying anyway unless the show ended with somebody nuking the island or some catastrophe that killed everyone on it
Odds of dying this season: 0%
Odds of dying before the end of the show: 10% (he could theoretically die in a flash forward)

Kate
Same as Jack
Odds of dying this season: 0%
Odds of dying before the end of the show: 10% (same reason as Jack)

Locke
Despite the Others and the new addition of the freighter people, Locke is set up as the chief antagonist in the story. Therefore, it’d seem likely that he’ll be there through the duration of the series, although given his affinity to the island, he’d probably die than leave it, so there’s a good chance someone will kill him or he’ll kill himself before the end.
Odds of dying this season: 0%
Odds of dying before the end of the show: 99.9%

Sayid
He’s not quite on the top tier character list, but he’s top of the B-list. He’s already offered numerous times to sacrifice himself for the greater good of the group and seems prone to throw himself into the center of conflicts. It’s really a toss-up here. They could kill him off in a heroic death, or they could finally, after being the guy that’s tried the hardest, have all his work pay off and allow him to leave
Odds of dying this season: 25% (possible he could be killed off for shock value)
Odds of dying before the end of the show: 50%

Sawyer
Another guy in which the writers have done a good job of not really tipping his fate. Sawyer could actually go a bunch of ways. He could go the ‘con man with the heart of gold’ route and die as a sacrifice to save the rest of the survivors, particularly Kate; he could stay the way he always has been and survive the island which would lead to future con-job flash forwards, or his killing of the real Sawyer, and then Tom in cold blood could have the character take a darker turn.
Odds of dying this season: 15%
Odds of dying before the end of the show: 40%

Ben
At some point, Ben is dead. I think we all know this much. The question is whether he goes this season or not. In all honesty, the way I see Ben’s story arc playing out is Jacob finally revealing himself to Locke, and telling Locke that he’ll give him the secrets of the island and let him lead his people, but he has to kill Ben to take his place. It’s been setting up for a while that Jacob favors Locke over Ben from Locke being the only other person to hear him, to Locke’s paralysis being cured, while at the same time Ben grew a cancerous tumor on an island that supposedly cure it (i.e. Rose). A showdown seems inevitable, as does a Locke victory.
Odds of dying this season: 75%
Odds of dying before the end of the show: 100%

Claire
I think it’s very unlikely Claire dies on the island, although I don’t think Desmond’s vision of her ‘getting rescued’ will play out exactly as he said it would. However, Claire seems a candidate for someone who dies in a flash-forward from something like committing suicide, either because of depression over Charlie’s death, or possibly if her baby dies before the rescue, or later on from complication of birth on the island.
Odds of dying this season: 5%
Odds of dying before the end of the show: 50%

Sun
She got pregnant on the island, so theoretically she’d a goner. There could be a surprise where someone kills her, but most likely she’ll die from something to do with her pregnancy on the island. The one caveat to that is that the show will go three more seasons, each season lasting one month, so Sun will only be 4-5 months pregnant by the last season on the island. This could be an issue where she gets rescued, they find something horrible wrong with her baby because of being impregnated on the island and tell her she has to have a late term abortion to save her life, leading to her taking on the depression/suicide story arc I mentioned with Claire earlier, in a flash-forward.
Odds of dying this season: 10%
Odds of dying before the end of the show: 65%

[K.C.]

Part II

Jin
Obviously, Jin’s story arc directly reflects Sun’s. If Sun dies, especially with their child, there’s a good chance Jin could lose his mind and do something crazy that gets himself killed on the island. If Sun survives the island (not taking into account the potential flash-forward story arc), I’d say there’s a better than half chance that Jin sacrifices himself to save Sun and his unborn child. It seems to me the way that they the Jin & Sun story is set up, their fates will probably reflect each other. If Sun dies before the end of the series, Jin probably will and vice versa.
Odds of dying this season: 30%
Odds of dying before the end of the show: 65%

Hurley
It’d be pretty controversial to kill off Hurley since he’s suppose to be the lovable comic relief character. While the Lost producers don’t get intimidated by that stuff, a Hurley flash-forward seems too tempting a thing to pass up, which means he’ll probably survive the island. I could, however see him back in the insane asylum in his flash-forward.
Odds of dying this season: 5%
Odds of dying before the end of the show: 10%

Michael
He’s supposedly coming back and his story could probably go one of two ways. Either atonement, where he’s racked by guilt over killing Ana Lucia and Libby for essentially nothing (it’s obvious that he didn’t escape, and probably had Walt taken from him again), and sacrifices himself to save some of the survivors to make up for it, or he takes a darker turn, and helps the freighter people or the Others plot against the survivors in an attempt to broker a deal to get Walt back and escape one more time. Either way, I see him dead.
Odds of dying this season: 80% (although probably not until the Season 4 finale)
Odds of dying before the end of the show: 90%

Desmond
My thing with Desmond all stems from his episode ‘Flashes Before Your Eyes’ where he talks to the jewelry lady and she tells him that pushing the button in the hatch is the only great thing he’ll ever do. That seems to foreshadow Desmond not leaving the island. My guess is he’ll be distraught with guilt over Charlie’s death, so he’ll do everything to ensure Claire is rescued from the island to make sure Charlie did not die in vain, which probably means he’ll get himself killed trying to save Claire.
Odds of dying this season: 40%
Odds of dying before the end of the show: 80%

Juliet
I can’t see any of The Others leaving the island. There’d be too much of an inquiry into the going ons of their operation all these years, and too much to answer for in terms of deaths of other people. Juliet is on the side of the survivors right now, but my guess is she’ll play anyone she can to try and secure her own survival and in the end it’ll cost her.
Odds of dying this season: 30%
Odds of dying before the end of the show: 90%

Richard
Similar to Juliet, I can’t see him leaving the island because of what it’d mean once the Others were taken into authoritative custody. Plus, Richard is an original inhabitant. He’ll go down with the ship.
Odds of dying this season: 60%
Odds of dying before the end of the show: 100%

Danielle
Similar to the Others…she wouldn’t probably voluntarily leave the island so she’s a goner. The question is whether she dies in some type of resistance, or they work a story where she sacrifices herself to save Alex.
Odds of dying this season: 40%
Odds of dying before the end of the show: 95%

Alex & Karl
These two seem tied to each other, and Alex despite her resistance of her father, is still tied in with the Others. That means they’re probably gone. The only difference is while I see most of the Others being killed, I could see a joint-suicide with these two.
Odds of dying this season: 25%
Odds of dying before the end of the show: 75%

Rose & Bernard
Both survive the island; Rose’s cancer returns when she leaves and dies the normal death cancer causes. This story is told in flash-forward.
Odds of dying this season: 15%
Odds of dying before the end of the show: 50% (25% for Bernard, 75% for Rose in a flash-forward)

[marky2bucks]

I've been thinking an awful lot about the show lately

I can see that.

It goes without fail that the character in any story with nothing to lose, dies. Ben and Locke have no future outside the island. Unless they develop some relationship that gives them a reason to live, they won't make it off the island. Though, they will probably hold on to Locke until the very end. And I wouldn't be surprised if Ben died in the first episode.

[Furtherman]

Lost: Season 4 Promos to Air in Theaters Nationwide (http://www.buddytv.com/articles/lost/lost-season-4-promos-to-air-in-14272.aspx)

ABC announced today that in December, promos for the new season of Lost will be shown at all Screenvision and NCM employed theater chains across the country in front of all movies with a PG rating or higher. The promos will contain never before seen footage of Lost's fourth season. The premiere for Lost's fourth season is rapidly approaching. The first of eight finished episodes will air sometime in February 2008. Hopefully, by then the writers' strike will long be resolved and the second half of the season will have resumed production.

[Doogie]

I've been thinking an awful lot about the show lately, so I figured I'd go through each character and assess their odds of dying this season, and before the end of the series.

Here's part one:

Locke
Despite the Others and the new addition of the freighter people, Locke is set up as the chief antagonist in the story. Therefore, it’d seem likely that he’ll be there through the duration of the series, although given his affinity to the island, he’d probably die than leave it, so there’s a good chance someone will kill him or he’ll kill himself before the end.
Odds of dying this season: 0%
Odds of dying before the end of the show: 99.9%

Sayid
He’s not quite on the top tier character list, but he’s top of the B-list. He’s already offered numerous times to sacrifice himself for the greater good of the group and seems prone to throw himself into the center of conflicts. It’s really a toss-up here. They could kill him off in a heroic death, or they could finally, after being the guy that’s tried the hardest, have all his work pay off and allow him to leave
Odds of dying this season: 25% (possible he could be killed off for shock value)
Odds of dying before the end of the show: 50%

Sawyer
Another guy in which the writers have done a good job of not really tipping his fate. Sawyer could actually go a bunch of ways. He could go the ‘con man with the heart of gold’ route and die as a sacrifice to save the rest of the survivors, particularly Kate; he could stay the way he always has been and survive the island which would lead to future con-job flash forwards, or his killing of the real Sawyer, and then Tom in cold blood could have the character take a darker turn.
Odds of dying this season: 15%
Odds of dying before the end of the show: 40%

Ben
At some point, Ben is dead. I think we all know this much. The question is whether he goes this season or not. In all honesty, the way I see Ben’s story arc playing out is Jacob finally revealing himself to Locke, and telling Locke that he’ll give him the secrets of the island and let him lead his people, but he has to kill Ben to take his place. It’s been setting up for a while that Jacob favors Locke over Ben from Locke being the only other person to hear him, to Locke’s paralysis being cured, while at the same time Ben grew a cancerous tumor on an island that supposedly cure it (i.e. Rose). A showdown seems inevitable, as does a Locke victory.
Odds of dying this season: 75%
Odds of dying before the end of the show: 100%

You forgot that Sawyer is mentioned in the flash forward. Kate was going back to him after she met up with Jack.

Now the Sayid thing, I agree with, but I also have to go with the idea that they are going to use the woman Sayid is pursuing as a vehicle to manipulate him. However we know Sayid is pretty resilant to the ways of torture, and is in fact quite adept at staying immune to it. So I see the 'Others' as having no use for him, and in fact look to kill him. As I feel it could go either way.

I one hundred percent agree with your assessment of Locke. He has searched his whole life looking for this place, and would rather die than leave it.

[Furtherman]

You forgot that Sawyer is mentioned in the flash forward. Kate was going back to him after she met up with Jack.

Actually, I don't think Kate mentioned any name, nor did Jack, so we don't know who she was going back too.

[Chris from TX]

You are predicting a bloodbath.

When I saw the coffin in 'Looking Glass', I though it was most likely Locke's (or maybe Ben's). As far as Locke dying, I'm not so sure. If he has such a communion with the Island/Jacob, I can't see him dying as long as he remains there and "has work to do", as Walt/Smoke Monster apparition said.

Ben, yeah, he will die. But, he will die heroically defending the island or a friend. He isn't all evil.
Michael- agreed, eventually dies.
Carl and Alex, dunno. Maybe just Carl. Alex has some spunk left.
Sayid- If he does go, it won't be this season. If he has to go, it will hopefully be the very last episode.
I can't see Juliet going until we have a nice sisters reunion, either on the island or the mainland.

[ChrisTheCop]

Actually, I don't think Kate mentioned any name, nor did Jack, so we don't know who she was going back too.

I know; I couldnt believe Doogie remembered that wrong!

[Furtherman]

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[Furtherman]

I pulled some screencaps of the trailer. Some real interesting ones... granted because of the strike I think there are only 6 to 8 episodes ready to go, but here's what to expect:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Furtherman/lostseason4-01.jpg
New Dharma logo?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Furtherman/lostseason4-02.jpg
One of two frames - looks like someone, maybe Jack, falling off a helicopter?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Furtherman/lostseason4-03.jpg
6?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Furtherman/lostseason4-04.jpg
Mooooooooo...


And finally, a character that I said at the end of last season could still be alive... considering how quick the shot was of him supposedly "dead".

Looks to be talking to Hurley...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Furtherman/lostseason4-05.jpg

[Chris from TX]

I think the first cap is the symbol from the Hydra station of season 3. Glad to see any new LOST stuff.

[IamFogHat]

That last cap I bet is a dream a la Ana Lucia in Eko's dream the episode after she died.

[Chris from TX]

And, Charlie is looking very clean cut. Either a flash forward and he is alive, or crazy Hurley is imagining him, like that li'l Jimmy look alike from the mental hospital.

[K.C.]

You are predicting a bloodbath.

When I saw the coffin in 'Looking Glass', I though it was most likely Locke's (or maybe Ben's). As far as Locke dying, I'm not so sure. If he has such a communion with the Island/Jacob, I can't see him dying as long as he remains there and "has work to do", as Walt/Smoke Monster apparition said.

Ben, yeah, he will die. But, he will die heroically defending the island or a friend. He isn't all evil.
Michael- agreed, eventually dies.
Carl and Alex, dunno. Maybe just Carl. Alex has some spunk left.
Sayid- If he does go, it won't be this season. If he has to go, it will hopefully be the very last episode.
I can't see Juliet going until we have a nice sisters reunion, either on the island or the mainland.

It almost has to be a bloodbath, though. Can anyone honestly see any of the Others leaving the island? The only people I really see leaving are what's left of the survivors, and I think it's inevitable that a few more of them are going down before the end.

And a lot of the deaths I'm predicting could be in flash-forward. You have to keep in mind that one of the themes of these flash-forwards I think is going to be the trauma of returning to normal life from the island.

We've already seen it in the Jack flash-forward. So I can see a few suicides, and a few flash-forward deaths.


Now the monkey-wrench throw in could be the suggestion that some level of cloning or life-restoration was part of the Dharma project, or at least that's the impression I get from the comic-con trailer. I could see the circumstance all the dead members are revived as part of a cover-up of all the events when they're finally rescued if that really does exist.

[Furtherman]

That last cap I bet is a dream a la Ana Lucia in Eko's dream the episode after she died.

Good point.

I'm still angry about Ana Lucia being killed off!!! :furious:

[K.C.]

I'll throw out one last possibility.


The flash-forwards are "what-ifs," in terms of things that could potentially happen if they were to be rescued and the island found by outsiders.

Given that Desmond seems to have travelled through time after the hatch explosion, and is seeing the future, he comes to an understanding (be it on his own, through Locke or Ben, or if he comes in contact with Jacob) of what would happen if they left the island.

As a result it leads to a Jack/Desmond showdown for the fate of the Losties at the end. Seeing as how everyone figures it'll be a Jack/Locke showdown, that would mean something different would happen with Locke. So if that happens, my guess would be Locke kills Ben, takes over command of the Others and spends his time leading a war to purge the frieghter people from the island, with the Losties, and the Jack/Desmond dispute caught in-between it all.

[Patient zer0]

so i saw tonight at cockbusters, that lost season 3 is on dvd now.

all the talks on o+a and ron+fez got me into lost and went and rented disk 1 of season 1 and was hooked, immediatly whent and bought the first 2 seasons.

we are mid way through season 2 right now, and i know she got me season 3 for christmas!

when does season 4 air on t.v or did they end lost with season 3?

gotta know so i can catch up in time for it to be back on t.v

[cogsdoc]

the good news: there are a number of seasons still planned

the bad news: season 4 was supposed to air starting in february but now it's a mystery with the writer's strike

[Chris from TX]

You have plenty to catch up on over here in the season four thread (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=62310). Lots of answers to your queries. (LOST season 4 begins in Feb)

[Coach_Mac]

Season 4- Jan 31. 9pm
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=index

[Coach_Mac]

The flash-forwards are "what-ifs," in terms of things that could potentially happen if they were to be rescued and the island found by outsiders.

I agree with that. And I also don't think Kate is talking about Sawyer when she says "he". I'm thinking it might be her step dad that she killed. Jack's dad is still alive in the flash forward unless he's crazy.

[ChrisTheCop]

Somebody ( I think CoachMac) posted this in a thread thats sure to me merged with this one, but it brought so much happiness to my day, I had to bring it over here:

A nice lengthy glimpse into season 4. (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=index)

[IamFogHat]

Somebody ( I think CoachMac) posted this in a thread thats sure to me merged with this one, but it brought so much happiness to my day, I had to bring it over here:

A nice lengthy glimpse into season 4. (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=index)

Omg, omg, omg, I am so fucking excited! And remember guys, that shit is all from at the most the first eight episodes, so damn good stuff to come.
I was especially goose-bumpy when Locke gave his deal about now if they want to live, they'll have to trust him and follow him, very Terminator 2 esque. Fucking awesome!

[Chris from TX]

Yeah, shit, thats good.

The mobisodes have also gotten alot meatier.

[Furtherman]

I just watched the season 2 finale, Live Together Die Alone and noticed something that cracked me up.

Sure enough, doing a search I found a screencap.

It takes place on the dock when Alex bends down to pick Kate up and totally gropes her breasts for a second before moving to her armpits. I can see how it was left in because it happened so fast.

Maybe this is well known among Lost fans, I just found it funny. Your lost titbit for the day.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/finale/27/normal_livediecap1347.jpg

[boonanas]

http://www.find815.com

Not sure if this was posted yet.

[Furtherman]

'Lost': Matthew Fox Flash Forwards to Season 4 (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20169281,00.html)

Good article, where Fox talks about what coming up in Season 4 and about that flash-forward. He goes into detail about how Jack got to that point, so it's kind of a minor spolier, but gives nothing away that'll ruin it for you.

[spadanko]

http://www.find815.com

Not sure if this was posted yet.


yeah this is good stuff... wonder what is going to come out of it

[LordJezo]

Also the phone number:

818-460-5520

[spadanko]

http://www.find815.com

Not sure if this was posted yet.

So below is what seems to becoming out of this


you are on a boat searching for "the Black rock" and it is being run by a company called "maxwell" taht is part of the hanso foundation. So seems like they are heading off to the island. The guy featured in the story is looking for his girl, who was a stewardess on 815. And he jsut wants to get close to a certain place. Little does he know, teh boat is ehading to the island where she should be

[Chris from TX]

So below is what seems to becoming out of this


you are on a boat searching for "the Black rock" and it is being run by a company called "maxwell" taht is part of the hanso foundation. So seems like they are heading off to the island. The guy featured in the story is looking for his girl, who was a stewardess on 815. And he jsut wants to get close to a certain place. Little does he know, teh boat is ehading to the island where she should be

Maxwell is part of Widmore Industries, not Hanso

[spadanko]

Maxwell is part of Widmore Industries, not Hanso


ah yes my mistake. I stink.... wasn't Penny also mentioned at one point? I think i gotta go back and re watch every thing

[CountryBob]

SPOILER!


It is exactly like the Truman show! They are in a huge dome built on an island in the Pacific!

Or, maybe not.

[Furtherman]

SPOILER!


It is exactly like the Truman show! They are in a huge dome built on an island in the Pacific!

Or, maybe not.

Actually, I don't think you are too far off on that explaination. In the very first episode of Season 1, Walt is looking through a comic book and you see a giant dome of some sort.

http://www.losthatch.com/images%5Cscreen_captures%5CS1E14_Comic_Book.jpg

I think the island is in that dome... Desmond said they're in a bloody snow globe. There is probably a way out, but it's a specific place and time.

[LordJezo]

Someone has put together the first three chapters of Find 815:

Chapter 1:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dT7MEVWMfYY

Chapter 2:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tSzsImV_B4o

Chapter 3:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LlJFaWlJNfk

Lazy man's way of watching the mini series for those of us who don't want to spend hours doing puzzles.

[Reynolds]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2087/2219082699_d6c874ec1e.jpg?v=0

[fezident]

I got fed up with LOST once they started putting the characters in Panda cages. I punched out.
After a long break, I rented the DVDs and now I'm almost all caught up

I haven't been to any other messageboards in years so, I don't know what all the inside word is regarding the secrets of the island but, I did just notice something today while watching season 3.
Without question there definitely is somebody sitting in Jacobs "empty" chair.
It's a somewhat older man with a long Barry Gibb/Jesus/Moses hairstyle . A simple frame advance on my dvd player and BAM... there he is. Clear as day.
I don't know of this is big news or not. I haven't watched the finale yet but at this point, we've definitely been misdirected to believe that Jacob is Bens imaginary friend.

If anybody wants me to do a screen capture... just lemme know. I'll post a JPEG.

[Chris from TX]

Jacob = Christian Shepard?

[ChrisTheCop]

I got fed up with LOST once they started putting the characters in Panda cages. I punched out.
After a long break, I rented the DVDs and now I'm almost all caught up

I haven't been to any other messageboards in years so, I don't know what all the inside word is regarding the secrets of the island but, I did just notice something today while watching season 3.
Without question there definitely is somebody sitting in Jacobs "empty" chair.
It's a somewhat older man with a long Barry Gibb/Jesus/Moses hairstyle . A simple frame advance on my dvd player and BAM... there he is. Clear as day.
I don't know of this is big news or not. I haven't watched the finale yet but at this point, we've definitely been misdirected to believe that Jacob is Bens imaginary friend.

If anybody wants me to do a screen capture... just lemme know. I'll post a JPEG.

No need. Its all been discussed earlier in this thread.

[fezident]

My love/hate relationship with this show continues.
For me, the most frustrating thing about it is "the idiot factor" and the repetition. Every single time somebody shouldn't trust somebody... they do. Every time they shouldn't let somebody go... they do. Every time they ask somebody a question.... they never get an answer.

I love the tapestry of events and characters. And, obviously, I love the premise. But as an audience member, I'm tired of seeing the one character hold another character at gunpoint and then hearing "you're not gonna shoot me, ______". And then so & so lowers their weapon. Scenes like that have happened 20 times (maybe more) and we still have two more seasons to go!

Now that the show has a finite number of episodes left, it'll be interesting to see if the writers can pick up the pace a bit.

The Nikki & Paulo "spider" episode was fascinating. Very self contained and always moving forward, yet.... still serving the larger story. Perhaps it's because of its TWILIGHT ZONE meets Hitchcock feel but, that was easily my favorite episode of the series.


Having said that, I love how large the story has become. The producers and writers have brilliantly avoided any and all Gilligan meets Survivor pitfalls. Nice.

I'm looking forward to season 4 but, perhaps I'll wait for the dvd set. I enjoy the show in larger chunks.

[K.C.]

The Nikki & Paulo "spider" episode was fascinating. Very self contained and always moving forward, yet.... still serving the larger story. Perhaps it's because of its TWILIGHT ZONE meets Hitchcock feel but, that was easily my favorite episode of the series.


Even though there's not really a lot of completely 'self-contained' episodes, I think the best episodes of the series are the more self-contained-ish ones.

Like the Desmond flashback episode where it recaps him after the hatch exploded is one of the best in the series, IMO

So is the Charlie 'Greatest Hits' one even though it was suppose to be the calm before the storm that was the Season 3 finale.


I've heard a lot of people make a similar argument made about X-Files back in its day (never really got into it). That the isolated stuff is much more compelling a lot of the times then the series-wide plot.


...that's not to say 'Lost' doesn't have a great story arc in terms of the point of the show.

[Dan 'Hampton]

don't know if anyone else noticed this sooner but at the end of the new lost promo's where they show "LOST" with the island in the backround, the reflection of this island is a city skyline.

[fezident]

Yeah.... I caught that skyline reflection. Loved it. Very well done.

[Furtherman]

Even though there's not really a lot of completely 'self-contained' episodes, I think the best episodes of the series are the more self-contained-ish ones.

Like the Desmond flashback episode where it recaps him after the hatch exploded is one of the best in the series, IMO

So is the Charlie 'Greatest Hits' one even though it was suppose to be the calm before the storm that was the Season 3 finale.
.

I agree. Like "The Long Con" in Season 2 and "Tricia Tanaka Is Dead" in Season 3, which might be my favorite episode so far. Mostly for its laughs and it has little to do with the overall story arc, but we even found out later on who Roger Workman was and how great was the van used in the finale? Makes that episode even better.

[spadanko]

1 more day!

[Doogie]

Ok, I laughed my fucking ass off when Ben says to Jack "Jack with your permission, I'd like to go with John."

Interesting premiere. Now we have to see where they go with the story lines.

[K.C.]

Ok, I laughed my fucking ass off when Ben says to Jack "Jack with your permission, I'd like to go with John."

Interesting premiere. Now we have to see where they go with the story lines.


I laughed mine off when Locke said 'you're not going to shoot me anymore than I was going to shoot you" and Jack pulls the trigger and the gun's empty.


I'm really kind of more lost on what's happening then ever before.

We've got the Oceanic 6, so it suggests six make it off, but the others aren't necessarily dead.

Seems to me like Locke is setting up his own Others to protect the island, and those that follow him will be trapped (save Hurley) under his command similar to how Ben basically trapped all his followers on the island once they got there.

That could explain the Charlie conversation and the 'they need your help' line.

Of course that doesn't explain how the freighter people figure in to this at all.

[Patient zer0]

when jack is talking to kate at the airport, they hint around going back to the island, that they have to.

same with hurley, he says it to jack, im assuming this happenend before jack went crazy.

im not sure what scene it was or who was in it, but it lead me to believe that some people are still on the island..

[Ay Kay Forty2]

I somehow thing that Charlie was trying to tell Hurley to rescue Clare. Chances are, she's still probably on the island.

[K.C.]

Team Locke
John Locke
James Ford
Hugo Reyes
Claire Littleton
Aaron Littleton
Benjamin Linus
Danielle Rousseau
Alex Rousseau
Karl
Sullivan (the hypochondriac rash guy)
Some of the extras

Team Jack
Jack Shepard
Kate Austen
Sayid Jarrah
Jin-Soo Kwon
Sun-Hwa Kwon
Bernard Nadler
Rose Nadler
Juliet Burke
Desmond Hume (can't for the life of me figure why he stayed with Jack when he delivered the Charlie message)
The rest of the extras

All in all, a pretty even split.


I imagine Locke will get what's left of the Others as well when they eventually find the group that Richard was suppose to be taking to the Temple.

[Fezticle98]

Pure dreck.

Yet I can't stop watching.

[K.C.]

Pure dreck.

Yet I can't stop watching.

I didn't think it was as good as the hype beared...in fact, the first 50 minutes or so, other than the Charlie thing seemed pretty useless.

It did work well as a setup episode for the rest of the season.

They should have done the first two episodes back-to-back...i think it would have came off better that way, but with the writer's strike, they're trying to stretch the eight they have out as much as possible.

[IrishAlkey]

This bullshit show ruins and defiles one hour of my week because I'm married to a cunt.

I hope they all die there.

[johnniehardrock]

What did Hurley mean by the Oceanic 6. Only 6 of them got rescued how is that possible?

[TeeBone]

When Hurley ran down the beach to the delight of the elderly gentlemen and did his cannonball.......UGHHHH
This was the gayest part of the series and maybe the gayest thing so far this year on network television.
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:t7v41rL5pGxY-M:http://www.gitsiegirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/lost%2520hurley%2520sun%2520candy%2520bar.jpg

[johnniehardrock]

A really fat bearded Bo Derek from 10 moment

[LordJezo]

I didn't think it was as good as the hype beared...in fact, the first 50 minutes or so, other than the Charlie thing seemed pretty useless.

It did work well as a setup episode for the rest of the season.

They should have done the first two episodes back-to-back...i think it would have came off better that way, but with the writer's strike, they're trying to stretch the eight they have out as much as possible.

Wasn't it originally supposed to be a two hour premier to begin with but was split up just for that reason, to keep the season going longer because of the strike?

[margin]

What did Hurley mean by the Oceanic 6. Only 6 of them got rescued how is that possible?

I wonder if Kate is included in the 6. She is a fugitive, so maybe she scammed her way back in the country without using her real identity.

And people like Desmond and Ben weren't on the plane, so they still could have made it back without being counted as the Oceanic 6.

So I guess Hurley and Jack are the only two people we know of who are definitely members of the Oceanic 6.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Did you guys see who was sitting in the rocking chair in Jacob's cabin? (Hint: Jacob is the person who poked his face in the window and scared Hurley, so it wasn't Jacob)

[LordJezo]

I'd just like to say that Pedigree dog adoption commercial was incredibly sad and it emotionally impacted me more than then whole episode.

:(

[margin]

Did you guys see who was sitting in the rocking chair in Jacob's cabin? (Hint: Jacob is the person who poked his face in the window and scared Hurley, so it wasn't Jacob)

How do you know it was Jacob who poked his face in the window?

I couldn't tell who was in the chair but I read somewhere online that it was Christian Shephard "Jack's dad".

[MM2]

Did you guys see who was sitting in the rocking chair in Jacob's cabin? (Hint: Jacob is the person who poked his face in the window and scared Hurley, so it wasn't Jacob)

Yeah, how did you know it was Jacob who poked his face in the window. All I saw was an eye, I thought it might have been Locke and figured Jacob was who was in the chair.

[Doctor Manhattan]

All I saw was an eye.

Compare the "The Man Behind the Curtain" eye with the "The Beginning of the End" eye.

I'd just like to say that Pedigree dog adoption commercial was incredibly sad and it emotionally impacted me more than then whole episode.

Was that David Duchovny's voice?.

[Furtherman]

Ok, I laughed my fucking ass off when Ben says to Jack "Jack with your permission, I'd like to go with John."

I also loved his line "Better call the ship again and tell them Naomi is getting a really big pile of firewood."

Did you guys see who was sitting in the rocking chair in Jacob's cabin? (Hint: Jacob is the person who poked his face in the window and scared Hurley, so it wasn't Jacob)

It was Jack's Dad... or at least that's what the suit looked to suggest. Who the eye was might have been Jacob, or it might have been Locke.

All in all, a fantastic start. I loved it. Now is where I'd usually tell the naysayers to have patience because it's only the first episode. But... we're only getting 7 more. So prepare to be disappointed! Or just let us real fans enjoy the show and watch something else.

By the way... the Oceanic Commercial during Eli Stone... ehhh.

[Freitag]

Was that David Duchovny's voice?.

I've been trying to figure it out too. I know it's a celebrity and I'm usually very good with celebrity voiceover talent, like Clooney for Budweiser and Hackman for Lowe's.

[sailor]

I wonder if Kate is included in the 6. She is a fugitive, so maybe she scammed her way back in the country without using her real identity.

And people like Desmond and Ben weren't on the plane, so they still could have made it back without being counted as the Oceanic 6.

So I guess Hurley and Jack are the only two people we know of who are definitely members of the Oceanic 6.

also, with only 6 being possibly rescued, couldn't that be why jack is feeling guilty?

and for those who mentioned locke in the cabin, i couldn't tell, but my wife was dead certain it was locke in that scene.

[Furtherman]

Was that David Duchovny's voice?.

Yes, it was.

[Freitag]

What did Hurley mean by the Oceanic 6. Only 6 of them got rescued how is that possible?

When Jerry Rice came to the sanitarium to interview Hurley, he asked him point blank if there were either "more on the island" or "are they still alive on the island". I forgot which.

Leads me to believe that Locke and others wanted to stay behind and were hidden or something when rescuers came.

BTW, I love the subtleness of how Jerry Rice changed from face to heel just by making his eyes redder. That was very cool and creepy.

[MM2]

When Jerry Rice came to the sanitarium to interview Hurley, he asked him point blank if there were either "more on the island" or "are they still alive on the island". I forgot which.

Leads me to believe that Locke and others wanted to stay behind and were hidden or something when rescuers came.

BTW, I love the subtleness of how Jerry Rice changed from face to heel just by making his eyes redder. That was very cool and creepy.

Randy Moss just broke his unbreakable TD record, of course his eyes are gonna be red and of course he's gonna want some people dead!

[K.C.]

DarkUFO put up the two sneak peeks video for next week's episode that ABC released.


The first is Locke interviewing a girl who just parachuted on to the island with the freighter team. She asks a lot of probing questions that Hurley answers, and then Locke asks her question, he doesn't like her answers, and decides he's taking her with him.

The second is much more interesting....Jack and Kate are walking through the jungle with Daniel where they find a busted metal case that was dropped from the helicopter. Jack opens it and finds a gas mask similar to the one Ben had in the Dharma episode. Daniel admits that resucing the 815 people isn't their 'primary objective.

Seems clear to me that these people are representative of some entity that still is, or was tied to Dharma. They're intending to gas the island to kill everything on it (like Ben alluded to) and then retake it.

[Dan G]

HO seemed to play apart in this show.

Hurley supposedly saw Charlie near the Ho-Ho's in the convenience store. Then in the flash forward, Jack and Hurley are playing H-O-R-S-E and Jack stops the game after he drops to HO.

[Furtherman]

Hurley supposedly saw Charlie near the Ho-Ho's in the convenience store. Then in the flash forward, Jack and Hurley are playing H-O-R-S-E and Jack stops the game after he drops to HO.

Sorry.. but Hurley made three shots. HOR.

[marky2bucks]

I had a vision last night fueled by red wine and blue moon. I know who is in the coffin in the flash forwards, it makes perfect sense.

radio psychic. radio psychic.


It's Ben.

I think he is one of the six. Jack probably drags him off the island when they are rescued. When Jack was at the funeral, he said that he was neither friend or family of the deceased. Kate said "why would I go to the funeral for HIM?". And nobody attended the funeral. Ben had no friends or family off the island. It seems like Jack would be affected by the death, even though he didn't like the guy, because he saved him by performing surgery.

It makes perfect sense


Prove me wrong.

[Rthentic]

Yup, The Guy In The Chair Was Jack's Dad.....


http://bp1.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/R6LnpcBE0DI/AAAAAAAAShI/C3q9ehqDpEI/s1600-h/DarkUFOImage2919.jpg

Peace
RTNC

[tbonesteak]

Yup, The Guy In The Chair Was Jack's Dad.....


http://bp1.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/R6LnpcBE0DI/AAAAAAAAShI/C3q9ehqDpEI/s1600-h/DarkUFOImage2919.jpg

Peace
RTNC

Great episode last night (sans cannonball).

If that was Jack's dad in the chair, then would that make him Jacob? I don't remember whether it was the same house as last season but I thought it was pretty obvious that it was Locke who stuck his face in the window.

Also, the numerical value of HO is 8-15. Spooky...

[OGC]

Sorry.. but Hurley made three shots. HOR.

Hurley did make 3 shots, but I don't think Jack took the third shot.

[ChrisTheCop]

HO seemed to play apart in this show.

Hurley supposedly saw Charlie near the Ho-Ho's in the convenience store. Then in the flash forward, Jack and Hurley are playing H-O-R-S-E and Jack stops the game after he drops to HO.


Also, the numerical value of HO is 8-15. Spooky...

Definitely an easter egg. Very cool. Good minds guys!

And as for the Hurley slow motion cannonball... I thought it was gay and uncomfortable as it was happening, but dontcha see now? It was his last moment as a happy, carefree, loser. Almost immediately after his obvious pure joy moment, he finds out his best friend is dead. He grows up right there and begins acting with purpose.

I believe it was definitely Locke in the window. He was visiting with Jacob; getting "further instructions".

My guess as to who the Oceanic Six are to be?: Kate, Sawyer, Jack, Hurley, Jin and Sun.

[ChrisTheCop]

I had a vision last night fueled by red wine and blue moon. I know who is in the coffin in the flash forwards, it makes perfect sense.

radio psychic. radio psychic.


It's Ben.

I think he is one of the six. Jack probably drags him off the island when they are rescued. When Jack was at the funeral, he said that he was neither friend or family of the deceased. Kate said "why would I go to the funeral for HIM?". And nobody attended the funeral. Ben had no friends or family off the island. It seems like Jack would be affected by the death, even though he didn't like the guy, because he saved him by performing surgery.

It makes perfect sense


Prove me wrong.

You needed red wine to guess that? Its a popular theory already, even in this thread.

And unless he impersonates another passenger, Ben could not be one of the Oceanic Six...cuz he wasnt on Oceanic 815. He could of course, have returned with them, and could indeed be in that box....although it could be Michael.

[tbonesteak]

My guess as to who the Oceanic Six are to be?: Kate, Sawyer, Jack, Hurley, Jin and Sun.

Good guess. Except i would add Claire instead of either Jin or Sawyer. I have a feeling Sawyer does not make it off the island.

Also, if the "Oceanic 6" were famous, I'm guessing that whoever was in the box wasn't part of that group. Otherwise there would have been more attention.

I was wondering though, did they reveal when the Hurley flash forward or the Jack flash forward took place? I couldn't pick up anything during last night's episode and couldn't remember if the Season 3 finale gave it away.

[marky2bucks]

You needed red wine to guess that? Its a popular theory already, even in this thread.


dammit, well read my mod quote.

I still like it.

[CruelCircus]

Desmond Hume (can't for the life of me figure why he stayed with Jack when he delivered the Charlie message)

Don't forget he's been on that island (and away from home) for a LOT longer than everyone else. He's already had one failed attempt at leaving the island. He probably wants to get out of there more than anybody.

I'm actually surprised that so many people went with Locke. They saw him kill someone in cold blood, he never explains WHY he thinks these people aren't who they say they are, and just the chance of going home alone I think would make people stick with Jack.

[CountryBob]

The magic 8 ball speaks its secrets:

Ya know Locke will never leave the island. He dosent want to be a cripple again.
Claire will not leave the island either. The Charlie connection keeps her there.
Sun will not be one of the six - they already foreshadowed when she said she couldnt believe her baby was going to be born in a hospital. She jinxed herself now.
Desmond will somehow be reunited with Penny - either on or off the island.

Well, these are all the questions for the magic 8 ball for now:
Lets' see if they turn out right.

BTW... the 8 ball said "ask again later" 3 times when I asked if the Oceanic 6 go back to the island. We will just have to wait and see.

[fezident]

I'm actually surprised that so many people went with Locke. They saw him kill someone in cold blood, he never explains WHY he thinks these people aren't who they say they are, and just the chance of going home alone I think would make people stick with Jack.


THAAANK YOU!
I was thinking the same thing!

Stuff like that is exactly what I'm referring to when I complain about the characters never reacting normally to situations.
They didn't react normally to the machete in Naomi's back and they didn't react normally to Lockes unexplained mantra of "these people are not who they say they are... we need to evacuate this area".
And they didn't react normally to the fact that Jack attempted to shoot Locke in the face!

They just kinda stand around and observe. Sometimes I think the audience has more of a visceral response to these events than they do!!


I sometimes feel like one of the side effects of being on the island might be that it reduces their ability to react. It would explain a helluva lot of their behaviors.




QUESTION:
I forgot. What was the reason for Hurley's earlier stay in the mental institution? I think that chick Libby was there too and then also on island, right? Was he depressed or was he in there for having imaginary friends? I don't recall.

[ChrisTheCop]

QUESTION:
I forgot. What was the reason for Hurley's earlier stay in the mental institution? I think that chick Libby was there too and then also on island, right? Was he depressed or was he in there for having imaginary friends? I don't recall.

I'm not 100% here, but I believe they only always refer to it as "the incident" which put him in there.

[K.C.]

I'm actually surprised that so many people went with Locke. They saw him kill someone in cold blood, he never explains WHY he thinks these people aren't who they say they are, and just the chance of going home alone I think would make people stick with Jack.

Seconds before they made their decision, Jack pulled the trigger on a gun he thought was loaded to try and shoot Locke in the head.

So they seem pretty even on cold-blooded murder attempts.


But when you look at who went, Hurley and Claire went because they trust Charlie, Ben went with Locke because he knew it was his best chance to survive. Alex went because Ben's her father, and Karl went because he's Alex's boyfriend. Rousseau goes because she wants be with Alex. Sawyer's the only real surprise of the group.

And as for the background characters, I would lump them in with having been swayed by Hurley's speech about how Charlie gave his life to warn them.

In fact, it's probably why he regretted going with Locke in the flash-forward. All those who did are either still on the island or dead, from what we learned last week.

[marky2bucks]

QUESTION:
I forgot. What was the reason for Hurley's earlier stay in the mental institution? I think that chick Libby was there too and then also on island, right? Was he depressed or was he in there for having imaginary friends? I don't recall.

Hurley was in the mental institution b/c he walked out onto a deck at a party, the deck collapsed, people died and he lost it.

[K.C.]

I just posted this on IMDB, but they don't like to actually talk about the show there, other than repeating the same things 800,000 times so I'll post it here...tell me what you think:


Abbadon, Walt, and the Smoke Monster

I'm going to make the assumption that there's some built in explanation about Walt looking significantly older in 'Through the Looking Glass' than he did in 'Exodus' when he was taking off the raft when only a few months have passed on the island.

Going off that, I'm starting to believe that Walt died in the 815 plane crash. As we've seen with Christian and Yemi, it's very possible that the smoke monster has the ability to possess and reanimate any body that is dead within it's direct vicinity. The incident with Charlie, and why the other mental patient saw Charlie's physical presence in the mental institution seems to only support that.

If Walt died in the original plane crash, the smoke monster inhabited his body and
has been using him to carry out its purposes ever since. Remember, in the pilot, Michael is looking around frantically for Walt, and can't find him, and then you see a very blank look on Walt's face after Michael finds him

Furthermore, Walt is drawn to Locke immediately....the guy that has a communion with the island and its forces.

So where does Abbadon come in...it's possible Abbadon is another body of someone killed at some point earlier in the history of the island, or maybe, Abbadon is an even more aged version of Walt that the smoke monster is using to contact Hurley.

We do know pretty definitively that something is influencing the aging of Walt...perhaps it's the possesion of the body.

"Are you fine, Mr. Reyes?"

"Are they still alive?"

People have been interpreting that as an outside party seeking knowledge. I just re-watched it...I think you can make the case that it could be the smoke monster suggesting to Hurley "are you fine, since you're now in a mental institution after leaving his life on the island" and "are they still alive" not in a sinister sense, but to put the thought in Hurley's mind about whether his friends are really still alive and whether Hurley should go back.

The Abbadon conversation might have been designed to get Hurley's mind focused on the island and haunt him until he decided he wanted to go back.

Same with the Charlie conversation.

[K.C.]

Only a few more episodes until:

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[Fallon]

Only a few more episodes until:

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Waltyyyyyy, Fezyyyyy.

[Chris from TX]

last mobisode
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[fezident]

Shit.
It's reeeeally tempting but, I'm not clicking on any of those youtubes.
I vowed that I want this season to unfold for me the way the producers intended. I'm not scouring the internet for any hidden treasures.

Farewell, LOST thread.

Farewell.

[Doctor Manhattan]

I vowed that I want this season to unfold for me the way the producers intended. I'm not scouring the internet for any hidden treasures.

I understand not wanting to make a big effort to search for clues but the mobisides are done by the same cast and crew as the show and put right out there for you on the offical site: lost.abc.com. So no in-depth searching is needed.

Most of the mobisodes do not (at least on the surface) add much to the story. But "Room 23" "Jack, Meet Ethan. Ethan? Jack" and "So It Begins" (The one posted above) are worth checking out.

[spadanko]

Holy fuck this episode is fucking crazy

[booster11373]

Im going to say that for me Lost has jumped the shark, Im sick of no questions being answered and the introduction of 4 new characters and their assorted mysteries being introduced while major issues from the original survivors and The Others and Russo have yet to be answered is way past annoying

[walking joint]

Im going to say that for me Lost has jumped the shark, Im sick of no questions being answered and the introduction of 4 new characters and their assorted mysteries being introduced while major issues from the original survivors and The Others and Russo have yet to be answered is way past annoying

i'm sick and annoyed of 'Jumped the shark'

[extracheese]

You have to give up the idea of getting answers. Thats not what watching LOST should be about. We all know that the writers have scheduled at least 2 more seasons after this one. So what exactly do you expect to get answered?? They aint going nowhere! Not for 2 more years when you WILL GET YOUR ANSWERS.

For now, just sit back and enjoy the ride. How great was it when the 'porcupine dude from X-men' said " oh- how stupid do you think i am??" and then those shots landed at his feet.
Great start to the season.
The new British blond chick is hot.

[JustJon]

I thought tongith's episode was great and shows there is a direct storyline right now. They know where they are taking the story, and it shows.

I don't expect to receive answers to the story until 3 seasons from now, when the series ends. BKV said that they have an ending and it is elegant, and I have faith in what he said.

And I wanna know who the Oceanic 6 are!

[Reephdweller]

Great episode. I am sure with the finding of that metal case from the "rescuers" that the gas masks in it are part of a plan to gas the island and take over just like Ben did when he knocked over the folks from Dharma. What I want to know is, if they are there on Ben's behalf, then why would he not want to be there when the rescuers got to the island. He wanted to go with Lockes crew instead of with Kate and Jack.

[Ay Kay Forty2]

Everything I saw that Charlotte chick, she reminds me so much of Blair Butler who's the resident comic nerd on Attack of the Show on G4.

http://www.thetailsection.com/Image/lost-rebecca-mader.jpg

http://www.newsaramablog.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/thumb_blair_butler.jpg

BTW, how crazy was that she found the bones of a polar bear and the dharma collar. I think time travel could play a part in the show. that's just a theory of course.

[Wickedballs]

I started watching lost about 2 weeks ago and I was instantly hooked. So hooked in fact that I watched all 3 seasons in the last 2 weeks. This show is amazing and I can't wait to see how it all unfolds. My only wish is that I waited until the entire series was over so I could watch it all together, now I am just a slave to the weekly timeslot :(

[K.C.]

Great episode. I am sure with the finding of that metal case from the "rescuers" that the gas masks in it are part of a plan to gas the island and take over just like Ben did when he knocked over the folks from Dharma. What I want to know is, if they are there on Ben's behalf, then why would he not want to be there when the rescuers got to the island. He wanted to go with Lockes crew instead of with Kate and Jack.

Not sure that's what the gas masks are for...it could be they know Ben purged Dharma and how, and how he did it, and brought them as a precaution.

I haven't really gotten any inclinations they want to kill anyone other than Ben at this point....and if they had intended on gassing the island all along, they never would have landed people on it...that could have been done from the air.

[ChrisTheCop]

Great episode. I am sure with the finding of that metal case from the "rescuers" that the gas masks in it are part of a plan to gas the island and take over just like Ben did when he knocked over the folks from Dharma. What I want to know is, if they are there on Ben's behalf, then why would he not want to be there when the rescuers got to the island. He wanted to go with Lockes crew instead of with Kate and Jack.

2 things.

First, we all knew it was gonna be a great episode when we saw Brian K Vaughn's name in the opening credits. I was waiting for a shout out, and, altho its a stretch...there was a cowbell!

Second, Reef... I definitely got the impression that they were there for Ben NOT in a good way... like he done them wrong. So, obviously he'd wanna go with the hiders.

When Ben was telling us Charlotte's biography, and exactly who she was travelling with, etc... I got the impression that maybe he too has time travelled, or seen visions, as Desmond has.

Okay, a third thing, Jeff (lawnmower man) Fahey's voice sounds incredibly like Locke's.

Oh-- and I laughed out loud when Locke said, "It was Walt...Only......taller."

[Doogie]

My theory straight up about who the 4 people are...they are all hired by the Dharma company to sort out the mess that Benjamin Linus has created, and to eliminate the others. The first broad who died was part of that team. And remember we saw that tall guy visit Hurley in the fast forward. Now we see him again tonight, putting together the team. I think they created the wreck of flight 815 to "sniff" out people who knew for a fact that wasnt the plane.

[TeeBone]

Holy fuck this episode is fucking crazy

Corporal Fucking Upham and The Lawnmower Man?
This show has gone from bad to worse.

[Reephdweller]

Actually, I don't think you are too far off on that explaination. In the very first episode of Season 1, Walt is looking through a comic book and you see a giant dome of some sort.

http://www.losthatch.com/images%5Cscreen_captures%5CS1E14_Comic_Book.jpg

I think the island is in that dome... Desmond said they're in a bloody snow globe. There is probably a way out, but it's a specific place and time.

Maybe the way out is on 8/15

[Reephdweller]

My theory straight up about who the 4 people are...they are all hired by the Dharma company to sort out the mess that Benjamin Linus has created, and to eliminate the others. The first broad who died was part of that team. And remember we saw that tall guy visit Hurley in the fast forward. Now we see him again tonight, putting together the team. I think they created the wreck of flight 815 to "sniff" out people who knew for a fact that wasnt the plane.


I think you and Chris are right on the money the more I think of it. I think that has to be it.


Going off that, I'm starting to believe that Walt died in the 815 plane crash. As we've seen with Christian and Yemi, it's very possible that the smoke monster has the ability to possess and reanimate any body that is dead within it's direct vicinity. The incident with Charlie, and why the other mental patient saw Charlie's physical presence in the mental institution seems to only support that.

If Walt died in the original plane crash, the smoke monster inhabited his body and
has been using him to carry out its purposes ever since. Remember, in the pilot, Michael is looking around frantically for Walt, and can't find him, and then you see a very blank look on Walt's face after Michael finds him

Furthermore, Walt is drawn to Locke immediately....the guy that has a communion with the island and its forces.

While we're on this theory, is it possible that either Jacob or the smoke monster has inhabited Locke's body and that Locke or some part of him is in fact dead? As he himself explained, with that bullet wound, he should be dead.

[MM2]

I think you and Chris are right on the money the more I think of it. I think that has to be it.




While we're on this theory, is it possible that either Jacob or the smoke monster has inhabited Locke's body and that Locke or some part of him is in fact dead? As he himself explained, with that bullet wound, he should be dead.

He actually said he would be dead IF he still had a kidney there, but remember his dad took that from him.

I think its obvious that the team is from Dharma or hired by dharma, and they are after Ben because he killed off the entire Dharma initiative. So that means the Jerry Rice look-a-like is from Dharma.

[Knowledged_one]

I just want to know how the guy goes from Deputy Ops in Baltimore to being a creepy guy with DHARMA

[spadanko]

Great episode....

That plane was obviously planted to keep people away from the island. Also, Ben's man on the boat, in my opinion, is Michael. He got picked up by their boat after he and walt were let go.

As for the oceanic 6, obivously it is 6 that get off the island (guessing jack, kate, Sawyer, hurley, Claire, aaron) and when creepy black guy asked if they were still alive, I think he means the rest of the people that were on 815. And trying to find out of they are still on the island.

[MM2]

Great episode....

That plane was obviously planted to keep people away from the island. Also, Ben's man on the boat, in my opinion, is Michael. He got picked up by their boat after he and walt were let go.

As for the oceanic 6, obivously it is 6 that get off the island (guessing jack, kate, Sawyer, hurley, Claire, aaron) and when creepy black guy asked if they were still alive, I think he means the rest of the people that were on 815. And trying to find out of they are still on the island.

Do you think the black guy is asking about the rest of the survivors of flight 815, or do you think he's talking about his team or the others? I think the teams plan was to go in and kill Ben and probably anyone on the island, so I assume he could care less about the survivors of the flight.

[Furtherman]

You have to give up the idea of getting answers. Thats not what watching LOST should be about. We all know that the writers have scheduled at least 2 more seasons after this one. So what exactly do you expect to get answered?? They aint going nowhere! Not for 2 more years when you WILL GET YOUR ANSWERS.


Exactly. I have no time for any of these "no answers!" dummies who are obviously torturing themselves each week scratching their heads to the bone because they have no sense of wonder. Be gone! It's science fiction, morons. Did they explain The Force in Star Wars!? (Oh wait.. they did... bad example... but you see how that ruined the wonder?)

The show just keeps getting better. Last night's episode was awesome.

Ben has become hysterical these past two episodes. And Sawyer still has the best lines.


BTW, how crazy was that she found the bones of a polar bear and the dharma collar. I think time travel could play a part in the show. that's just a theory of course.

That was the best f'n part of the show last night. A polar bear - in Tunisia! (a nod to Star Wars perhaps?) Was it "transported" there? Or had it been there for hundreds (thousands?) of years?

I love the way this show is going. Damn writers strike. We're going to be seriously left hanging when these episodes run out.

[King Imp]

Okay, a third thing, Jeff (lawnmower man) Fahey's voice sounds incredibly like Locke's.

Yeah, when he spoke off camera, my first thought was "How did Locke's group get there?"
Was quite surprised to see it was actually Fahey speaking.


I would have to go back and rewatch this episode because I can't remember exactly what was said, but when they were showing the clips of the plane on the bottom of the ocean on TV, didn't they say there were no survivors? If so, how does that explain the Oceanic 6? Was this flash forward before they were rescued? Or wasn't it a flash forward at all?

[MM2]

Yeah, when he spoke off camera, my first thought was "How did Locke's group get there?"
Was quite surprised to see it was actually Fahey speaking.


I would have to go back and rewatch this episode because I can't remember exactly what was said, but when they were showing the clips of the plane on the bottom of the ocean on TV, didn't they say there were no survivors? If so, how does that explain the Oceanic 6? Was this flash forward before they were rescued? Or wasn't it a flash forward at all?

That plan was a fake, to cover up the crash. I'm not sure how they are going to explain the Oceanic 6, but remember that they said they are tired of lying, which means that they are lying to keep the story of the plane having crashed at the bottom of the ocean and how they got off the island.

[spadanko]

Do you think the black guy is asking about the rest of the survivors of flight 815, or do you think he's talking about his team or the others? I think the teams plan was to go in and kill Ben and probably anyone on the island, so I assume he could care less about the survivors of the flight.


Yeah I thought about that too... i am on the fence with that one... I originally thought the other survivors of 815, but could be his crew

Also, if the strike is resolved this week, we could get 4-6 more episodes this season besides the 6 that are already in the can

[Doctor Manhattan]

...Im sick of no questions being answered and the introduction of 4 new characters...while major issues from the original survivors...have yet to be answered is way past annoying

They may not be answered but they are being addressed. As soon as Ben said he had answered Locke asked about the very first mystery from the very first show "What is the monster?"

But we still have 46 episodes to go and as mentioned above, they aren't ready to reveal everything yet. I think a lot of the original mysteries are tied to the "new" ones, we are just seeing the other side of the mystery and by the last few episodes we will see the whole picture.

I loved the episode and love that they keep playing around with the Flashback structure of the show. Last night was the first time they used title cards to let you know where things were taking place in the flashbacks and the first time they had "off island" flashbacks that happened after the crash

[booster11373]

Don't get me wrong I like the show and I like the mysteries but there is a certain amount of fatigue Im starting to get with it.

I sort of believe that the writers/producers have an ending for the show Im not so certain that they have a middle is all

[ChrisTheCop]

They may not be answered but they are being addressed. As soon as Ben said he had answered Locke asked about the very first mystery from the very first show "What is the monster?"



My new theory there... Ben had no idea what Locke was talking about. Juliet had never seen (or heard of) the monster until she was handcuffed to Kate. The monster may be Jacob's only way of getting out of his prison, OR be an enemy of the natives that, since they found shelter with Ben and the Dharma compound, never wanted to tell Ben about.

ABC could save a lot of money by settling an individual contract with Brian K Vaughn.

[Furtherman]

Juliet had never seen (or heard of) the monster until she was handcuffed to Kate. .

I think Juliet did know. I recall her saying something like "We don't know what it is but it doesn't like our barrier."

[ChrisTheCop]

I think Juliet did know. I recall her saying something like "We don't know what it is but it doesn't like our barrier."

She did say words to that affect, but only after she sees it crashing into, and repelling off of the barrier..yeah? But yeah, the "we" thing might shoot me down...

But now...maybe Ben looked confused that LOCKE didnt already know what it was.

[Doctor Manhattan]

from http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/Exclusive-Ilosti-Boss/800033076

The WGA strike is officially over! :) And how this affects lost:

1) The aim is to produce FIVE more episodes of Season 4. The season's total will be 13 episodes. What was to be the second half of season 4 is to be re-written to end with the same storyline elements as previously written, but in only 5 episodes instead of 8.
2) The entire order of 48 episodes for Seasons 4-5-6 will still be delivered-- that leaves 35 episodes to be split between Seasons 5-6.

So it's good that Season 4's story will still end the way they wanted but it may be rushed because they have 3 less hours to tell it. This also means they have 3 more hours to tell the stories of Season 5 and 6.

[MM2]

from http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/Exclusive-Ilosti-Boss/800033076

The WGA strike is officially over! :) And how this affects lost:

1) The aim is to produce FIVE more episodes of Season 4. The season's total will be 13 episodes. What was to be the second half of season 4 is to be re-written to end with the same storyline elements as previously written, but in only 5 episodes instead of 8.
2) The entire order of 48 episodes for Seasons 4-5-6 will still be delivered-- that leaves 35 episodes to be split between Seasons 5-6.

So it's good that Season 4's story will still end the way they wanted but it may be rushed because they have 3 less hours to tell it. This also means they have 3 more hours to tell the stories of Season 5 and 6.

That's great news! Not a full season, but 5 more then we were going to get is awesome!

[Doogie]

I just want to know how the guy goes from Deputy Ops in Baltimore to being a creepy guy with DHARMA

The guy from Homicide is Andre Braugher, this actor is someone completely different. Also that tall guys name is Abaddon, which is another term for the devil or anti-Christ. From a religious index:

In the Old Testament a poetic name for the kingdom of the dead, Hades, or Sheol (Job xxvi. 6; Prov. xv. 11, where Abaddon is parallel to Sheol). The rabbis used the name for the nethermost part of hell. In Rev. ix. 11 the "angel of the bottomless pit" is called Abaddon, which is there explained as the Greek Apollyon ("destroyer"); and he is described as king of the locusts which rose at the sounding of the fifth trumpet. In like manner, in Rev. vi. 8, Hades is personified following after death to conquer the fourth part of the earth. In rabbinical writings Abaddon and Death are also personified (cf. Job xxviii. 22).

I dont see Claire leaving. I see her and Aaron being the centerpiece of the new others of which I can forsee Locke leading, almost like Moses and King David. Lots of biblical references thus far this season.

[Knowledged_one]

Doogie, he is on The Wire as the Deputy Ops of Baltimore

He was also Desmond Mobey on Oz

It was more of a joke by me

[Doogie]

Doogie, he is on The Wire as the Deputy Ops of Baltimore

He was also Desmond Mobey on Oz

It was more of a joke by me

Sorry partner, i thought you were referring to Homicide.

[spadanko]

Lost will be moving to 10pm on thursday's

http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/Exclusive-Lost-Finds/800033151

[Doogie]

Some more direct quoting from the Bible regarding Abaddon:

"Then the fifth angel blew his trumpet, and I saw a star 2 that had fallen from the sky to the earth. It was given the key for the passage to the abyss.... The appearance of the locusts was like that of horses ready for battle. On their heads they wore what looked like crowns of gold; their faces were like human faces, and they had hair like women's hair. Their teeth were like lions' teeth, and they had chests like iron breastplates. The sound of their wings was like the sound of many horse-drawn chariots racing into battle. They had tails like scorpions, with stingers; with their tails they had power to harm people for five months. They had as their king the angel of the abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon 6 and in Greek Apollyon. The first woe has passed, but there are two more to come."


I found that interesting since we have a reference from Adolus Huxley's Island at the end of season 2. And now a character named Abaddon.

The abyss declares, "It is not in me"; and the sea says, "I have it not." Abaddon and Death say, "Only by rumor have we heard of it." God knows the way to it; it is he who is familiar with its place.

[Knowledged_one]

Sorry partner, i thought you were referring to Homicide.

No harm no foul

And Homicide was the greatest show, too bad NBC played it on Friday nights at 10

[spadanko]

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[Doogie]

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Shit, you posted that at 950 BEFORE the end of the episode...that warranted all those ho-ly shits...Goddamn whata fucking huge reveal there at the end. I suspected who was guiding Sayid. And yes I am talking in code to not reveal anything. Wow. wow wow wow.

[tbonesteak]

WOW! What a great fucking episode. Just one shocking moment after the next. Thank god they extended the season by a few eps. They have set things up for a huge season.

I never thought Sayid would be one of the 6. Not to mention the fact that he became a golfpro/assassin for Ben. Great twist.

I'm guessing Ben's guy on the ship is Michael? Otherwise, what kind of surprise could it be? They either took Walt again and are forcing him to cooperate or they simply brainwashed him before putting him on that boat.

Also, what happened to the house? And why was there a delay with that timer? This episode left my head spinning.

Despite the fact that everyone complains about never getting answers, it's funny how the best episodes are the ones that pose more questions than they answer. I'm wondering now if the 6 going to get off the island this season and then spend the next season trying to get back on.

[JustJon]

Also, what happened to the house? And why was there a delay with that timer? This episode left my head spinning.


It's been said that time does not pass normally on the island...

great ep tonite.

[King Imp]

While it was a good episode, a part of my Lost excitement died at the end of this one.

I have been hoping all along that Ben is either killed or left on the island, but now we find out he's back in civilization and still controlling people. That annoyed me. Now we know the whole thing will wrap up with Ben still winning.

[ChrisTheCop]

While it was a good episode, a part of my Lost excitement died at the end of this one.

I have been hoping all along that Ben is either killed or left on the island, but now we find out he's back in civilization and still controlling people. That annoyed me. Now we know the whole thing will wrap up with Ben still winning.

Wrap up? Its only the beginning... we're seeing what became of him/them after they first left the island... not what ultimately happens if/when they return. Besides, if we are to believe it's Ben in the casket, we kinda already knew he made it to the states.

Who's R.G.?? And why does he go around giving semi-hot chicks matching bracelets?

[King Imp]

Wrap up? Its only the beginning... we're seeing what became of him/them after they first left the island... not what ultimately happens if/when they return. Besides, if we are to believe it's Ben in the casket, we kinda already knew he made it to the states.

I guess we see the flash forwards differently then. To me, what we are seeing in the future is the end. There is no more after what we are seeing and there is no going back to the island.

Of course, I could be wrong, but no one knows definitively that these flash forwards are say next season and after that they are going back again. To me, that's it. That's their future and the end of the show.

[TeeBone]

This show is gone and can't possibly return. I've said it before and I'll say it again:
Corporal Fucking Upham and the Lawnmower Man? C'mon now...

[MM2]

I guess we see the flash forwards differently then. To me, what we are seeing in the future is the end. There is no more after what we are seeing and there is no going back to the island.

Of course, I could be wrong, but no one knows definitively that these flash forwards are say next season and after that they are going back again. To me, that's it. That's their future and the end of the show.

I don't think you can look at it as the end, because they've gone from earlier flashforwards to later flashforwards, you have no idea when in the future any of these flashforwards are, you know? Is it Ben in the casket? Maybe? Maybe not?

You have to know that if they are giving you Ben blackmailing Syaid to keep whoever alive on the island now, then there has to be something more that is going to happen on the island.

I have no doubt that they will get back to the island when all the questions start getting answered.

You kinda either have to be onboard with what the writers are doing, or you have to get completely off the ship. Because if you have any doubts you will start getting frustrated with the way the show is going.

[PhishHead]

just my quick opinions:

Ben is the one who is also controlling Kate, when Kate in the very first flash forward, when she meets jack at the airport and says "he will be wondering where I am" I think it is Ben.

I think Sawyer is the one in the casket.

[JerseyRich]

just my quick opinions:

Ben is the one who is also controlling Kate, when Kate in the very first flash forward, when she meets jack at the airport and says "he will be wondering where I am" I think it is Ben.

I think Sawyer is the one in the casket.

Might I remind you that we only know 5 of the Ocenic 6...

[drusilla]

kate
jack
hurley
sayid
...

[MM2]

Might I remind you that we only know 5 of the Ocenic 6...

We know 5? Who is the 5th? Kate, Jack, Hurley and Sayid. Who's the 5th?

[K.C.]

Might I remind you that we only know 5 of the Ocenic 6...

Ben's not one of the Oceanic 6....which means that it's likely that there's another way off the island he knows of that he's keeping secret.

That could mean there's more people running around besides the Oceanic 6.

By the way, did anyone catch the name on Ben's passport when Sayid raided his secret study room...Dean Moriarty.

And if there was doubt that the majority of the 815ers are still alive, it became apparent at the end of this episode.

"Do you want to protect your friends or not, Sayid?"

[spadanko]

just my quick opinions:

Ben is the one who is also controlling Kate, when Kate in the very first flash forward, when she meets jack at the airport and says "he will be wondering where I am" I think it is Ben.

I think Sawyer is the one in the casket.


I think ben is totally controlling Kate. Just like that one episode where he made her wear a dress and have dinner with him.. he is in control for sure

[Drunky McBetidont]

just watched it steaming on abc.com


maybe ben took the identity of one of the passengers to get back and is one of the oceanic 6???

i think claire has to be one of the six and i assume desmond gets off too as he was on the helicopter.

cool episode, i think sayid episodes have been strongest

[spadanko]

just watched it steaming on abc.com


maybe ben took the identity of one of the passengers to get back and is one of the oceanic 6???

i think claire has to be one of the six and i assume desmond gets off too as he was on the helicopter.

cool episode, i think sayid episodes have been strongest

I think Desmond gets off, but he was not on Oceanic 815, so technially not part of the 6

[drusilla]

i think all i really want out of this whole fucking series is for desmond & penny to be together. i have no idea why that is all i care about.

[PhishHead]

Might I remind you that we only know 5 of the Ocenic 6...

Yes I know that, thats why I said these are just my opinions.

I think Sawyer is in the casket for numerous reasons. One being Kate's reaction to when Jack showed her the obit and she said "why would she go". Leading me to believe that when they came back from the island he dumped her on bad terms. Also why Jack wouldn't say if he was friend or family, because he never truly was a friend just a rival and the only reason Jack did anything with Sawyer was because of Kate. Also the casket was in a ghetto area which also fits into Sawyer's background, a conman is normally either doing great or horrible.

Again these are just my opinions and what my mind has been working on.

[K.C.]

just watched it steaming on abc.com


maybe ben took the identity of one of the passengers to get back and is one of the oceanic 6???

i think claire has to be one of the six and i assume desmond gets off too as he was on the helicopter.

cool episode, i think sayid episodes have been strongest

He didn't.

This is a screencap of the passport in Ben's desk that Sayid looks at (among the 8,000 other passports).

http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/R7VVNW3EfMI/AAAAAAAATv4/hFjuKO6bf7g/s1600-h/lost.s04e03.720p.hdtv.x264-ctu.mkv_001533949.jpg

He uses the name Dean Moriarty (an 'On The Road' reference) and it's in German (where the Sayid flashforward takes place).

It was issued April 2, 2003 and is good through April 1, 2013.

The one thing I find most interesting is the HNSO in the top right corner. I wonder if it's some type of employer code for the Hanso Foundation, the people who made the DHARMA videos.

At any rate, I would say:
1) There's another way off the island. Ben has some escape failsafe he's yet to reveal to anyone.
2) If Ben worked for Hanso, or had dealing with them back in 2003, it's fair to say that something happened between April 2003 and September 2004 (the crash date), which destroyed the arrangement between the two.

If I had to venture a guess:

After Ben purged the DHARMA initiative, he offered the investors behind DHARMA a deal to continue the experimentation being done on the island in exchange for military grade supplies, and necessities (i.e. food, clothes, etc.).

That explains the food drops and how Ben got the submarine, and other stuff. Anyway, Ben went on to find out the true nature of the island and then after building up enough supplies, people, and weapons, cut ties with the post-DHARMA people and jammed all communications to the island.

They've been trying to find and interrogate Ben on the properties of the island ever since. At the end of the day, once they extract the knowledge Ben has gained about the island, these people intend to purge it and take over operations, or seek to exploit it.

Both sides are 'bad guys' and the 815ers are caught in the middle.


Locke will play out to be the ultimate fool. Everything he's believed in both before the island and after his arrival has turned out to be wrong. His belief in Jacob's intentions will end no differently.

[King Imp]

Here's a question that I don't recall being brought up since this season started. Where is Richard Alpert? Where did he disappear to? As a matter of fact, where are all the other Others? They have to be somewhere.

I could understand if they were all on that other island, but it seems strange that Alpert was one of the main Others and we've yet to see or hear from him.

[Knowledged_one]

This show is gone and can't possibly return. I've said it before and I'll say it again:
Corporal Fucking Upham and the Lawnmower Man? C'mon now...

Dude you are crazy this has clearly been the rebirth of the show each one this season has been riveting just because they have the lawnmower man its bad hell 24 had freakin pony boy, Rudy, and the bad guy from RoboCop on it

I cant believe you are focusing on co-stars in episodes

This season has been such a complete mind fuck its getting hard to wrap my head around it

[K.C.]

Here's a question that I don't recall being brought up since this season started. Where is Richard Alpert? Where did he disappear to? As a matter of fact, where are all the other Others? They have to be somewhere.

I could understand if they were all on that other island, but it seems strange that Alpert was one of the main Others and we've yet to see or hear from him.

In the Season 3 finale, right before Ben breaks camp, with Alex, to go find Jack and the survivors heading towards the radio tower, he tells Richard that he will "proceed to the Temple with the others as planned."

So there's some type of building/hatch/ruins on the island where Richard is with the rest of the surviving Others.

Remember, there's like over 60 Others and that's not including the 10 or so people they abducted from the Tail Section and presumably adopted into their culture.

Most of the Others we were introduced to, which has probably been about 15-20 of the 60, are dead, but there's still a lot of unnamed, undeveloped people who may or may not play a role down the line.

Richard will be back at some point, I would imagine.


Now, for the logistical reason why he hasn't shown up yet...the actor, Nestor Carbonell, is under contract to another show, although it's believed the show will be cancelled and he'll be back on Lost for the last few episodes of this season of the beginning of next.

[Drunky McBetidont]

didn't listen to o&a this morning. can't wait for the interview with ben on replay!!

[PhishHead]

Now, for the logistical reason why he hasn't shown up yet...the actor, Nestor Carbonell, is under contract to another show, although it's believed the show will be cancelled and he'll be back on Lost for the last few episodes of this season of the beginning of next.

Yea he was in that crappy show CANE, but it was cancelled, and he will be back. He stated he will be back its just that he was unable to be a regular in series 4 because of Cane.

He definitely will be back as there is alot about him everyone needs to know still, is he a native or did some company put him there too, why doesn't he age, etc...

[Drunky McBetidont]

Yea he was in that crappy show CANE, but it was cancelled, and he will be back. He stated he will be back its just that he was unable to be a regular in series 4 because of Cane.

He definitely will be back as there is alot about him everyone needs to know still, is he a native or did some company put him there too, why doesn't he age, etc...

i bet if that show "cane" was about a cocaine cartel it would be number 1. who gives a shit about sugar tycoons? i am trademarking my new series "pot" it is all about the mogul of a cookware empire.:wallbash:

[PhishHead]

i bet if that show "cane" was about a cocaine cartel it would be number 1. who gives a shit about sugar tycoons? i am trademarking my new series "pot" it is all about the mogul of a cookware empire.:wallbash:

never seeing this show, just seeing the commercials and previews i always thought it was about cocaine not sugar haha.

[Knowledged_one]

never seeing this show, just seeing the commercials and previews i always thought it was about cocaine not sugar haha.

You dont remember their tagline of

"Sugar its the new oil"

[PhishHead]

You dont remember their tagline of

"Sugar its the new oil"

truthfully? I thought it was a codeword for coke.

[Ay Kay Forty2]

When Sayid was in the coffee shoppe, I swear I heard Roussau's distress call in the background. Either I had an audio stroke or it's just some quirky easter egg thingy or nothing in particular.

It was awesome how when Sayid told the guy on the golf course that he was one of the survivors of Oceanic 815, that the guy was actually terrified because he probably had something to do with the coverup and just someone on Ben's shit list.
Really cool episode. I have this feeling that Ben told Sayid who his man on the freighter was and to make some sort of contact. We'll probably found out what happens on the freighter in two weeks. Because next week is Katie's Flashback. and then there will be Desmond's flashback of him in the military.

[johnniehardrock]

Kate looks so hot

[spadanko]

wow.. they made up for a subpar episode with a fucking awesome ending

[Dan 'Hampton]

wow.. they made up for a subpar episode with a fucking transparent ending

Good thing I didn't expect much out of a Kate episode.

[ChrisTheCop]

I kinda had it figured out who her kid was about 20 minutes before the end; yes, I'm proud.

So I guess Aaron is one of the Oceanic Six, because the ads promised another would be revealed... but, he wasnt really a paid passenger now was he. I hope he gets a gold pass for the rest of his life.

Also- Now I wonder if the "he" Kate had to get back to in the first flash forward was Aaron, Ben, or Sawyer....

Oh well...just one more survivor came home (so far)...I wonder...who could it beeee???

[King Imp]

I honestly never saw that ending coming. If anything, I expected either Ben to be driving that cab or Kate comes home to Ben and we find out he's the father.

All I kept thinking after it was announced she had a kid was I can't wait to see this kid to give us an idea of how far into the future these scenes are.

Poor Claire. I guess she doesn't make it off now. As for whether Aaron is considered one of the Oceanic 6, I guess we'll have to wait and see. I'm still thinking that Locke will be one simply because everyone expects him to stay on the island.

[spadanko]

I honestly never saw that ending coming. If anything, I expected either Ben to be driving that cab or Kate comes home to Ben and we find out he's the father.

All I kept thinking after it was announced she had a kid was I can't wait to see this kid to give us an idea of how far into the future these scenes are.

Poor Claire. I guess she doesn't make it off now. As for whether Aaron is considered one of the Oceanic 6, I guess we'll have to wait and see. I'm still thinking that Locke will be one simply because everyone expects him to stay on the island.


i agree Imp.. guess I stink too. didn't see the aaron thing coming. I thought she'd go home to Ben holding the baby

[Furtherman]

I kinda had it figured out who her kid was about 20 minutes before the end; yes, I'm proud.

As did I... nice move there Lost. You had us all thinking someone older than 3 months had to be the sixth.

[Knowledged_one]

I will agree that after great episode after great episode last nights was so ho hum

I knew when Claire asked her to pick up the baby that Aaron was going to be a survivor

I am kind of interested to find out how they will explain the story that there were only 6

[Doctor Manhattan]

I guess we see the flash forwards differently then. To me, what we are seeing in the future is the end. There is no more after what we are seeing and there is no going back to the island.

I don't know how you could say that after seeing two pretty different versions of post island Jack. The amount of time covered in the future not set, The 6th season of the show could all take place after these flashforwards as the Oceanic 6 return to the island (This is just a possibility, I have no idea)

[King Imp]

As did I... nice move there Lost. You had us all thinking someone older than 3 months had to be the sixth.

That's where I got thrown off and wasn't thinking along the lines of those who figured out the Aaron thing. I honestly didn't remember the preview saying another was going to be revealed so I just figured it was another Kate story on it's own.

[MagillaGorillaz]

Do you think future Jack knows that Aaron is his nephew. It certainly seemed like it to me the way he acted with Kate not wanting to go see him. And in Jack's testomony he said only 8 survived the crash. I wonder who the other two people are that aren't the Oceanic 6.

[Tall_James]

Forgive me if this has been posted already....

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[tbonesteak]

Last night's episode was definitely a let down after the previous couple. Why was Kate so interested in what the asian guy knew about her that she had to trick Locke and break him out. Finding out that she's still classified as a fuguitve doesn't seem like news to me. She should have assumed nothing less.

Also, the whole flash-forward seemed like a waste of time. It did get me wondering whether the person she had to rush home to at the end of last season was the baby or another guy she's with. I was also half-expecting Ben to be there when she got home. That guy just keeps getting better and better. Probably the best character on the show at this point.

The only thing that surprised me was that Jack said there were 8 survivors from the crash (obviously a lie). If the Oceanic 6 came home in one piece, that would suggest that 2 others were brought home dead or died on the island. Claire could be one although that still doesn't explain why Kate was taking care of her. Also, I doubt that Aaron is one of the 6 but I could be wrong.

Next week episode looks like it's going to be a good one. We may find out what happens to the helicopter and I'm betting it's the first time we see Michael again (Ben's man on the ship).

[Dan 'Hampton]

Last night's episode was definitely a let down after the previous couple. Why was Kate so interested in what the asian guy knew about her that she had to trick Locke and break him out. Finding out that she's still classified as a fuguitve doesn't seem like news to me. She should have assumed nothing less.

I think the point was to see if the fact she was a fugitive was getting major play when she went missing. You could tell it wasn't the answer she was looking for.

[drusilla]

from today's new york post.

#2 sort of includes a spoiler, so you may want to skip that one if you don't want to know what happens in the upcoming seasons.


10 REASONS WHY 'LOST' IS FOUND
By PAIGE ALBINIAK

February 24, 2008 -- Lost" is the thrill ride the show was in season one - and not a moment too soon. A new sense of direction has given the show a clear focus and the ratings are back up. "Lost" now ranks in the top-10 behind Fox's "American Idol," "House" and "Moment of Truth."

Here are 10 reasons why we love "Lost' again.

1. This season is living up to last season's near-perfect finale: We saw the Losties out-ambush The Others and they were expecting to be rescued. The finale ended one chapter and started another in a tantalizing way. And the new season has reciprocated.


2. We learn Jack's fate: The finale introduced the flash forward and showed us Jack's (Matthew Fox) slide into alcoholism when he leaves the island. "The flash forward is part of an overall plan for the show," says Damon Lindelof, co-executive producer. "Season 4 is about who gets off the island and the fact that they need to get back. Season 5 is about why they need to get back, and season 6 is about what happens when they get back."

3. We know who survives: Season four introduced six survivors: Jack (Matthew Fox); Kate (Evangeline Lilly); Hurley (Jorge Garcia), and Sayid (Naveen Andrews). This "Oceanic 6" make it off the island, but one will die - exactly who will be revealed this season. "We've made a choice to focus on the characters that fans have loved since the beginning - Jack, Kate, Sawyer (Josh Holloway), Locke (Terry O'Quinn), Sayid and Hurley," says Lindelof.

4. The new characters are great: What tangled web will they weave? Daniel Faraday (Jeremy Davies), is very nervous physicist and Miles Straume (Ken Cheung) is an angry ghost whisperer. Cultural anthropologist Charlotte Lewis (Rebecca Mader) manages to still look lovely hanging upside down from a tree. And Frank Lapidus (Jeff Fahey) is the pilot who was supposed to be flying Oceanic 815.

5. Jack and Locke are rivals: Jack's lost leadership of the island to Locke, after a minor coup, promises tense clashes. We think Ben is still running the show, especially since we now know that he has a spy on the freighter. "Nefariousness is in the eye of the beholder," says Carlton Cuse, co-executive producer. "If you are Benjamin Linus, everyone is nefarious, except for you."

6. Sayid teams up with Ben: The folks from the freighter are allegedly more dangerous than the Others ever were. We know that Sayid works for Ben in the future, and Hurley's helping Locke trick Jack and Kate.

7. We get more episodes: Lindehof and Cuse were only supposed to do 8 episodes of "Lost." Now that the writers' strike is over, they'll do 13. Episode 7 will conclude with a cliff-hanger, after which the show will take a month-long break. "There will be very significant mysteries answered in the seventh episode," says Cuse. "The eighth episode is non-traditional and the start of something new."

8. More sexual tension: The love quadrangle between Jack and Kate, Kate and Sawyer, and Jack and Juliet promises delicious complications, with Jack telling Kate he loves her, Sawyer asking Kate to shack up with him on the island and Juliet saving the day for Jack.

9. The show travels: "Lost'"s opening graphic now includes the reflection of a city in the water. "We're taking the show off the island this season, to places like Berlin and Tunisia," says Cuse.

10. There is an end: J.K. Rowling convinced Lindelof and Cuse to set an end date for "Lost." "When we heard her say that she was only writing seven [Harry Potters], we were inspired," says Lindelof. "Franchise shows like 'Grey's Anatomy' don't need to have a beginning, middle and end. They can bring in new doctors, nurses and patients, but shows like ours need to have a place to go."

[Doogie]

4. The new characters are great: What tangled web will they weave? Daniel Faraday (Jeremy Davies), is very nervous physicist and Miles Straume (Ken Cheung) is an angry ghost whisperer. Cultural anthropologist Charlotte Lewis (Rebecca Mader) manages to still look lovely hanging upside down from a tree. And Frank Lapidus (Jeff Fahey) is the pilot who was supposed to be flying Oceanic 815.

It was driving me nuts who Daniel was. I thought it was Henry Thomas, but he was too young. Then we I imdb'd him I saw that he was Uppam from Saving Private Ryan. His damn face was driving me nuts watching him on Lost cause it was so familiar.

[ChrisTheCop]

ABC.COM has EVERY episode of EVERY season (so far) online for FREE!



I spent this afternoon watching 4 of them. It's such a great show; watching them again reminds you they knew exactly what they wanted to do with everything from the start.

[Furtherman]

ABC.COM has EVERY episode of EVERY season (so far) online for FREE!



I spent this afternoon watching 4 of them. It's such a great show; watching them again reminds you they knew exactly what they wanted to do with everything from the start.

Exactly. Over the summer I watched the first two seasons again and it's very cool how so many things tie in together. In fact, in the first season Charlie makes two allusions to drowning, and we all saw what happened there.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Forgive me if this has been posted already....

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It was the very first post of this thread :devil2: This is the video they mentioned in the official podcast as being a possible clue to how the polar bear ended up in Tunisia

[ChrisTheCop]

but do you forgive him?


and actually, perhaps its appropriate there are two of them in the same thread...

[Tall_James]

but do you forgive him?


and actually, perhaps its appropriate there are two of them in the same thread...

Yeah - I actually posted it 20 minutes before the first post in this thread.

Fucking island.

[spadanko]

the following quesitons will be in tomorrows Ask Ausielo on tvguide.com...
Spoiler vision on!



Question: Please settle a heated office dispute regarding Lost: Aaron is or is not one of the Oceanic Six?— Dane
Ausiello: Aaron is *** *** of the Oceanic Six.


the astirisk thing is something he does in his column, but it is pretty easy to figure out

[ChrisTheCop]

When Claire got her reading from the psychic, he warned her that SHE must raise Aaron.
He needs to be surrounded by HER goodness, and no one else.

There would be no happy life for him without her.

I'm rewatching "Raised By Another" from season one, and I'm getting fucking goosebumps.

This will be the reason Kate finally returns to the island; to save Aaron.

[IamFogHat]

When Claire got her reading from the psychic, he warned her that SHE must raise Aaron.
He needs to be surrounded by HER goodness, and no one else.

There would be no happy life for him without her.

I'm rewatching "Raised By Another" from season one, and I'm getting fucking goosebumps.

This will be the reason Kate finally returns to the island; to save Aaron.

Another sort of damning detail to back that up was that really odd scene in 'What Kate did' when her father (the one in the military) says he doesn't have murder in his heart (and that Kate does), so despite her desire to be a good person, Kate might actually be one of the worst people to raise this baby because of some innate evil inside of her.

[spadanko]

When Claire got her reading from the psychic, he warned her that SHE must raise Aaron.
He needs to be surrounded by HER goodness, and no one else.

There would be no happy life for him without her.

I'm rewatching "Raised By Another" from season one, and I'm getting fucking goosebumps.

This will be the reason Kate finally returns to the island; to save Aaron.


yeah i rememebred that the other day.. that and Claire is Jack's sister... I think Aaron plays a pivitol roll in future seasons

[Doogie]

yeah i rememebred that the other day.. that and Claire is Jack's sister... I think Aaron plays a pivitol roll in future seasons

That and the fact that Jack's/Claire's fathers body hasnt been found yet.

[ChrisTheCop]

That and the fact that Jack's/Claire's fathers body hasnt been found yet.

just one of the numerous unresolved daddy issues on the show.

[Furtherman]

That and the fact that Jack's/Claire's fathers body hasnt been found yet.

But he was spotted in Jacob's shack.

Could it be possible, with the time shift the island possesses or is enveloped in, that he's alive?

[johnniehardrock]

This show just makes me so confused

[booster11373]

Wow!

[Dan 'Hampton]

Yeah wow.....
made up for the turd last week and more.

[Ay Kay Forty2]

that was one of the coolest episodes. It felt like watching Back to the Future and reading Slaughterhouse 5 all at the same time.

i guess this could be the 'sickness' that Roussau was talking about all the way back in Season 1.

[MagillaGorillaz]

That was a great episode. I was wondering if they would answer anything about Black Rock this season. I'm still waiting for answers to the statue.
Was it me or did the one guy on the boat, the one from Vegas. One of his tattoo's looked way too similar to Jack's tattoo.

[Ay Kay Forty2]

That was a great episode. I was wondering if they would answer anything about Black Rock this season. I'm still waiting for answers to the statue.
Was it me or did the one guy on the boat, the one from Vegas. One of his tattoo's looked way too similar to Jack's tattoo.

yea, the one on his right leg has some sort of chinese symbol in a circle. He also has another tattoo on his other arm. I recognize the actor from Smokin' Aces. Chances are, those are his real tattoos and don't have any bearing on anything. I could be wrong though, they did a WHOLE episode that centered on Jack getting a tattoo.

[HBox]

I bet Minkowski was Ben's man on the boat. He's been to the island and that's why he got sick.

[Piuki]

That and the fact that Jack's/Claire's fathers body hasnt been found yet.

But he was spotted in Jacob's shack.

Could it be possible, with the time shift the island possesses or is enveloped in, that he's alive?

The other piece of evidence that Christian may be alive is that Jack references him in "Through The Looking Glass". He is being confronted by the new Chief at the hospital. As they argue in the hallway Jack says something to the effect of "Why don't you get my father down here and if I am as drunk as he is then you can throw me out". Paraphrasing, of course.

As the episode aired originally, it was not yet known to the viewer that this was a flashforward, and I for one didn't pay much attention to that line. But, once the time orientation was made known, it raised a lot of questions.

[King Imp]

That latest Iron Man trailer sure looked fabulous in HD. Oh yeah, and this episode was pretty damn good as well.


I bet Minkowski was Ben's man on the boat. He's been to the island and that's why he got sick.

If it is, it will definitely kill everyone's predictions as to who it was supposed to be. I still think it is and he was probably the one who opened the sickbay door for them to get out.

[MM2]

That latest Iron Man trailer sure looked fabulous in HD. Oh yeah, and this episode was pretty damn good as well.




If it is, it will definitely kill everyone's predictions as to who it was supposed to be. I still think it is and he was probably the one who opened the sickbay door for them to get out.

Yeah, I still see it as being Michael and he's most likely the one who opened the door.

Great episode, Desmond episodes are always great!

[Furtherman]

The other piece of evidence that Christian may be alive is that Jack references him in "Through The Looking Glass". He is being confronted by the new Chief at the hospital. As they argue in the hallway Jack says something to the effect of "Why don't you get my father down here and if I am as drunk as he is then you can throw me out". Paraphrasing, of course.

I had originally chalked that up to Jack being drunk... but maybe he's feeling the "side effects" as well off the island.

Best. Episode. Ever.

"Are you back to the future again?"

I knew time travel had something to do with it... but WOW... it's all laid out now how it works. And how about the key casting of Fisher "My Science Project" Stevens!! Just perfect. For the naysayers... this was the episode you were waiting for... if not... stick with According To Jim or some other simple show.

[Doogie]

Yeah, I still see it as being Michael and he's most likely the one who opened the door.

Great episode, Desmond episodes are always great!

Ditto to both...I think the writers have hit a wall with Kate episodes. Jack still has potential as I think they have more to do with Christian and Jack's relationship. And the Sawyer episodes are so, so anymore. I state all that cause they have shifted away from the "big 3" characters in terms of writing a little bit. Or so it seems.

I rewatched season 2 again with my GF a few weeks back and it still is great to see Desmond's episodes. They really are a great piece to the whole objective that is Lost. And last nights Desmond's episodes was one of the best of the series, ever!!! And I hate normal romantic bullshit type of movies. But last nights episodes was so damn good I almost shed a tear or two. The Penny/Desmond romance is probably the only real believable romance on that island. Everything else is some sort of drama.

Just me two pence...

[Doctor Manhattan]

The Penny/Desmond romance is probably the only real believable romance on that island. Everything else is some sort of drama.

I agree. Funny that the only ones I care about on that level were not on Flight 815 and didn't even appear during the entire first season of the show.

Desmond rocks.

[spadanko]

Great episode... defintiely still think it's Michael on the boat... time travel stuff is prety sweet

[Doogie]

Great episode... defintiely still think it's Michael on the boat... time travel stuff is prety sweet

Ha...in my rant earlier I forgot to mention my agreement to that sentiment. We know the actor (Harold Perineau) is coming back this season. So the safe bet is he is "Ben's inside man."

[MagillaGorillaz]

Great episode... defintiely still think it's Michael on the boat... time travel stuff is prety sweet

Now I know why Locke saw an older Walt . . . time travel.

[Furtherman]

Now I know why Locke saw an older Walt . . . time travel.

The producers realized that from the beginning - Walt, rather the actor who played him, would be growing quickly.

Here is a good website that tackles the whole time travel theory. It's detailed and make good sense.

Lost: A Theory on Time Travel (http://timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.htm)

[Doctor Manhattan]

Anyone else having trouble getting the official Lost podcast (http://ll.media.abc.com/podcast/audio/abc/LOST_406_audio_podcast_1577829_9c4b902f-9f7a-4bee-b52c-56931d18ff90.mp3)on iTunes?

[johnniewalker]

The producers realized that from the beginning - Walt, rather the actor who played him, would be growing quickly.

Here is a good website that tackles the whole time travel theory. It's detailed and make good sense.

Lost: A Theory on Time Travel (http://timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.htm)

That is definitely one of the better ideas i've seen that manages to use all of the elements of the story. Very cool!

[Dan 'Hampton]

That was excrement.

[hammersavage]

worst. episode. ever.

[spadanko]

how do they follow last week with this crap