Barack Obama is our 44th President of the United States

[GreatAmericanZero]

I gotta say, I'm loving reading things from ignorant racist dummies who are so angry and dumbfounded today. hahahaha FACE

[keithy_19]

. Emmanuel for Chief of Staff and Corzine for Treasury.

Corzine has made living in Jersey worse. I can't wait till his term is up so I can vote for whoever is running against him. That's right, even El Diablo would get my vote.

[JerseySean]

Nobody can support it, either. It's a self-defeating hypothetical as you've presented it.


True but if you look at the tipping point for Obama that was it. And there were no major news events since to change the focus. You know that man, everyone does. For my step father to vote for Obama, who voter for Reagan twice, Bush twice, Clinton in 96 and Bush twice....It was all about the meltdown.

[keithy_19]

I gotta say, I'm loving reading things from ignorant racist dummies who are so angry and dumbfounded today. hahahaha FACE

Just out of curiosity, would you consider african americans who voted for obama strictly based on race, racist as well?

[K.C.]

First of all, without crisis, the "Obama" thing isnt close to as significant. In a time of economic "peril", people shift left. Without that meltdown in September, Obama has 273-285 electoral votes. This country is still split and we are still a center right country. If Obama lets Pelosi take him to the left ala Delay/Bush, he will be in trouble.

My brand of conservatism is to ignore social issues, Guiliani on foreign policy and more of a Huckbee style domestic policy. I think the free-market conservatives are out of touch and I think that more of a populist domestic system which skews toward the free market is the best direction for this country.

I think you're underestimating the significance of the economic problem, which is why this isn't just a little bump in the road.

And I firmly believe Obama wins this election, albeit at a smaller margin than this, without the Wall Street collaps.

And I think you just illustrated why your brand of conservatism isn't appealing to the mainstream.

Giuliani's foreign policy is consider by most outside of the Republican base as...you know...kind of...end-of-the-worldy

And Huckabee's domestic policies were considered fringe from WITHIN his party.

[foodcourtdruide]

Just out of curiosity, would you consider african americans who voted for obama strictly based on race, racist as well?

Yes, along with the whites that voted for McCain strictly because he was white. Racism still exists in this country, no matter what a certain radio host that does a dead on impression of later-day Fred Flinstone and is completely out of touch with reality has to say.

[JerseySean]

I think you're underestimating the significance of the economic problem, which is why this isn't just a little bump in the road.

And I firmly believe Obama wins this election, albeit at a smaller margin than this, without the Wall Street collaps.

And I think you just illustrated why your brand of conservatism isn't appealing to the mainstream.

Giuliani's foreign policy is consider by most outside of the Republican base as...you know...kind of...end-of-the-worldy

And Huckabee's domestic policies were considered fringe from WITHIN his party.

Look at Huckbee's record in Arkansas. It was truly the "compassionate" conservative. I think that Huckabee is looked at by outsiders as the "preacher" guy. He is a typical pragmatic populist governor. He got 50% of the BLACK VOTE in Arkansas. That is ridiculous for a Republican.

[K.C.]

Just out of curiosity, would you consider african americans who voted for obama strictly based on race, racist as well?

Yes and no.

Many were votes based on race, but it's not like blacks refuse to vote for whites.

Blacks carry white candidates all the time.

So there's a difference there.

It's not like some whites who say they'll never vote for someone who's black.


Neither is right. But there's a different connotations to the two.

[TheMojoPin]

Just out of curiosity, would you consider african americans who voted for obama strictly based on race, racist as well?

For the most part, no. That kind of counterpoint is such an oversimplified generalization of the history and context of blacks in this country because it basically implies that the races are all on equal footing nad have the same or similar histories and contexts in this country.

[mikeyboy]

Just out of curiosity, would you consider african americans who voted for obama strictly based on race, racist as well?

You do realize that black voters overwhelmingly vote for Democratic candidates anyway, right?

[keithy_19]

Yes, along with the whites that voted for McCain strictly because he was white. Racism still exists in this country, no matter what a certain radio host that does a dead on impression of later-day Fred Flinstone and is completely out of touch with reality has to say.

I understand that. I'm happy to say that my vote was cast not based on color but on issues.

I just got disheartened when I hear people, white and black, support a candidate without knowing anything that they stand for. It's all because he's black and he's white.

[JerseySean]

Yes, along with the whites that voted for McCain strictly because he was white. Racism still exists in this country, no matter what a certain radio host that does a dead on impression of later-day Fred Flinstone and is completely out of touch with reality has to say.

Stop it. Just fucking stop it. There may be a tiny portion of people. But stop it. We elected a guy named Barack Hussein Obama to the Presidency last night. He got 45% of the white vote and 98% of the black vote.

[keithy_19]

You do realize that black voters overwhelmingly vote for Democratic candidates anyway, right?

I do.

[K.C.]

Look at Huckbee's record in Arkansas. It was truly the "compassionate" conservative. I think that Huckabee is looked at by outsiders as the "preacher" guy. He is a typical pragmatic populist governor. He got 50% of the BLACK VOTE in Arkansas. That is ridiculous for a Republican.

Believe me, Huckabee scared me more than any Republican candidate runnning for the nomination this year, because he transcends party lines with many issues

And he ran a fantastic campaign.

But he still has fringe economic views. The 'fair tax'?? Come on, there's very few people who would favor that

But that's a testament to how good a politician he is that he almost sold people on them.

[JerseySean]

You do realize that black voters overwhelmingly vote for Democratic candidates anyway, right?

Yea but from 90% to 98-99% is significant. I dont blame them, but honestly lets stop saying that people voter for McCain because white people are racist. We just need to move on now.

[TheMojoPin]

True but if you look at the tipping point for Obama that was it. And there were no major news events since to change the focus. You know that man, everyone does. For my step father to vote for Obama, who voter for Reagan twice, Bush twice, Clinton in 96 and Bush twice....It was all about the meltdown.

Your argument is empty. It's basically saying "something hapened because something happened." That's how it works. Besides, following the poll tracking shows there was little McCain could have done to turned the electorate to him. The only dignificant bump he got was from announcing Palin and then the convention shortly thereafter, but that quickly wore off.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5ieXw28ZUpg/SRCJ-N-B9bI/AAAAAAAAAmw/wL0zXeZLcek/S1600-R/1105_super.png

He clearly got a bump in September, but that was right after Obama turned around his slow decline. What threw everything off was Palin.

[mikeyboy]

Yea but from 90% to 98-99% is significant. I dont blame them, but honestly lets stop saying that people voter for McCain because white people are racist. We just need to move on now.

I hope you aren't directing that at me, because I've never even insinuated anything of the sort.

[TheMojoPin]

I understand that. I'm happy to say that my vote was cast not based on color but on issues.

I just got disheartened when I hear people, white and black, support a candidate without knowing anything that they stand for. It's all because he's black and he's white.

But keithy, the reasons and context ARE vastly different as to why backs would choose to vote seomone for prez because they're black than whites voting for someone because they're white. It's not something that be judged simply as, well, black and white.

[JerseySean]

But he still has fringe economic views. The 'fair tax'?? Come on, there's very few people who would favor that



I think that he used that as a ploy to get some traction during the primary. My understanding is that he has backed off of that. Take fair tax out, his economic policies were strong in Arkansas as he helped move that state. He genuinely carres about healthcare and education as well as infrastructure, etc. he is also a pro-growth guy.

[angrymissy]

Just out of curiosity, would you consider african americans who voted for obama strictly based on race, racist as well?

African Americans vote Dem, white or black, Professor Anthony.

[epo]

Believe me, Huckabee scared me more than any Republican candidate runnning for the nomination this year, because he transcends party lines with many issues

And he ran a fantastic campaign.

But he still has fringe economic views. The 'fair tax'?? Come on, there's very few people who would favor that

But that's a testament to how good a politician he is that he almost sold people on them.

I'm with you on Huckabee. I thought he was an outstanding candidate that could totally sell on a national level....and here is the rub: he's an honest & nice guy.

[celery]

Actually, sir I nailed all of the Senate races (so long as MN and OR hold) outside of the Stevens thing (GOD BLESS ALASKA) and I got the number in the house down to one. I should have written if Obama would have won without the meltdown, it would have been 273-285. Noone can dispute that.

Yeah, you were just dead-on accurate:


A loser isnt radioactive. A 20 point loser is. Yes McCain can stage a comeback in the next 5 days. I know for a fact that public state polls in Florida, PA, OH and NV are wrong. Even the ones in NJ are wrong. I know for a fact -that Barry's early voting wish list hasnt been granted and those models are fucked up for him. Dont be shocked if he loses the electoral college vote. He wont top 300.

http://i33.tinypic.com/2e6d1xk.jpg

[JerseySean]

I hope you aren't directing that at me, because I've never even insinuated anything of the sort.

No, at foodcourt. But there was a sig bump in black vote for Obama. there should have been. Hes black!

[GreatAmericanZero]

Just out of curiosity, would you consider african americans who voted for obama strictly based on race, racist as well?

i didn't say everyone who voted for McCain is racist..but racist people did vote for him, and their comments today are hilarious to me. I do not see what you asked me has anything to do with anything

[epo]

I think that he used that as a ploy to get some traction during the primary. My understanding is that he has backed off of that. Take fair tax out, his economic policies were strong in Arkansas as he helped move that state. He genuinely carres about healthcare and education as well as infrastructure, etc. he is also a pro-growth guy.

Alright Sean, honest question:

Do you think Huckabee scared away the republican establishment because unlike others, Huckabee seems to live the biblical tract and advocates a strong social agenda including helping the poor?

[keithy_19]

But keithy, the reasons and context ARE vastly different as to why backs would choose to vote seomone for prez because they're black than whites voting for someone because they're white. It's not something that be judged simply as, well, black and white.

I still count it as racism. Though you may be able to justify it, I think counting out someone because of the color of their skin right from the get go is racist.

Not all african americans voted in that manor, but the ones that did are racist in my opinion. Just like all white voters who voted against obama simply because he's black.

[Dude!]

African Americans vote Dem, white or black, Professor Anthony.

huckabee got 45% of the black vote in Arkansas the last time he ran for governor

[JerseySean]

Yeah, you were just dead-on accurate:



http://i33.tinypic.com/2e6d1xk.jpg

Yes I was wrong on the Presidential. Ive said so. If you want to pile on, feel free but I admitted that.

[mikeyboy]

Not all african americans voted in that manor.

They couldn't possibly. It would have to be a massively huge building if they did.

[TheMojoPin]

I still count it as racism. Though you may be able to justify it, I think counting out someone because of the color of their skin right from the get go is racist.

Not all african americans voted in that manor, but the ones that did are racist in my opinion. Just like all white voters who voted against obama simply because he's black.

You're trying to force the playing field to be level when it isn't. The reasoning behind many of the non-black people not voting for a black man are VERY different than the reasoning for many blacks voting for a black candidate. You're trying to force two very different things to be the same.

[keithy_19]

i didn't say everyone who voted for McCain is racist..but racist people did vote for him, and their comments today are hilarious to me. I do not see what you asked me has anything to do with anything

Just like racist people voted for Obama. That was my point.

I'm happy we've come as far as to vote black man into the oval office. I'm proud of our country. But, racism is still alive and well, and on both sides.

[JerseySean]

I still count it as racism. Though you may be able to justify it, I think counting out someone because of the color of their skin right from the get go is racist.

Not all african americans voted in that manor, but the ones that did are racist in my opinion. Just like all white voters who voted against obama simply because he's black.

Look man, Im italian, i didnt vote for Rudy. But it is helpful when someone has pride in their culture to vote for that guy. Look at JFK, etc. Jews voter big for Lieberman. Utah went for Romney in the primary. I dont hold it against anyone. The more important thing for blacks is that they need to stop voting for one party only. They need to look elsewhere, and Bush in 04 gave them a reason. Reagan gave them a reason. Huckabee in Arkansas gave them a reason.

[TheMojoPin]

They couldn't possibly. It would have to be a massively huge building if they did.

For some reason I pictured Mikey looking like Oscar Wilde when he typed that.

[keithy_19]

They couldn't possibly. It would have to be a massively huge building if they did.

I lol'd.

:happy:

[TheMojoPin]

Just like racist people voted for Obama. That was my point.

I'm happy we've come as far as to vote black man into the oval office. I'm proud of our country. But, racism is still alive and well, and on both sides.

keithy, it's a false point to just broadly sum up what amounts to "black pride" as "racism." I'm not saying all black people aren't or can't be racist, but you're generalizatons simply are not realistic given the social and economic fracturing in this country explicitly based on race. People with the clear advantage can't suddenly declare things to be "equal" when they obviously are not.

[keithy_19]

I also understand that it's easier to vote for someone who understands your specific culture.

Regardless though, I'm proud to call Obama my president. I hope that he is able to unify this country.

[GreatAmericanZero]

so...black people supported a black candidate. so what? its what happened. Whats the point in analyzing and judging and getting angry over it? I don't think anyone is surprised. I don't think anyone "doesn't understand". Sorry McCain couldn't get the black vote. Sorry McCain didn't have anything to offer the black community for some crossover support.

[JerseySean]

keithy, it's a false point to just broadly sum up what amounts to "black pride" as "racism." I'm not saying all black people aren't or can't be racist, but you're generalizatons simply are not realistic given the social and economic fracturing in this country explicitly based on race. People with the clear advantage can't suddenly declare things to be "equal" when they obviously are not.

If it happens again, it would skew more towards racism. But we do have instances where blacks have voter partially for a white candidate.

http://www.blackfives.com/blog_pics/carcetti.jpg

[JerseySean]

I also understand that it's easier to vote for someone who understands your specific culture.

Regardless though, I'm proud to call Obama my president. I hope that he is able to unify this country.
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[GreatAmericanZero]

Just like racist people voted for Obama. That was my point.


but "racist obama supporters" aren't writing things today on the internet that is making me laugh. the racist mccain supporters are. I don't have to be fair to both parties with everything i write

[keithy_19]

keithy, it's a false point to just broadly sum up what amounts to "black pride" as "racism." I'm not saying all black people aren't or can't be racist, but you're generalizatons simply are not realistic given the social and economic fracturing in this country explicitly based on race. People with the clear advantage can't suddenly declare things to be "equal" when they obviously are not.

I'm all for having pride for who you are, but people who vote just based on pride bother me. Both sides.

I'm not trying to cheapen Obama's win. He won for other reasons than just being a black man. But him being black certainly helped.

[reillyluck]

what fucking year is this anyway?

ooooooooh a black president.......ooooh taboo!!! uggh.

[keithy_19]

but "racist obama supporters" aren't writing things today on the internet that is making me laugh. the racist mccain supporters are. I don't have to be fair to both parties with everything i write

Fair enough.

[keithy_19]

what fucking year is this anyway?

ooooooooh a black president.......ooooh taboo!!! uggh.

That's not my point. I don't care that Obama is black. That never factored into my vote. It's historical and it's great to see.

But that's just me. I understand the strides that we made. I'm proud of America. But personally, the fact he was black never made me think less or think more of him.

[TheMojoPin]

I'm all for having pride for who you are, but people who vote just based on pride bother me. Both sides.

I'm not trying to cheapen Obama's win. He won for other reasons than just being a black man. But him being black certainly helped.

Well, obviously, and any white candidate is inherrently helped by being white. But you're seemingly trying to equate "white pride" and "black pride" as the same thing, and 99% of the time they're not and could not be more different. The latter is hinged on a history of slavery and oppresseion and segregation that still continues in very visible and real and relevant forms to this day. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Residential_Segregation) The odds of facing a severe social, educational and economic uphill battle for much of your life is vastly increased if you're born black in this country compared to being born white here. Now, this isn't applicable to all black people, nor is it saying that all American white people have it sweet...tha's clearly not the case. But in the grand scheme of things, blacks are the minority in both numbers and how this country treats them and the opportunities and avenues they have aailable to them. "White society" is not, fortunately for us, laregly defined by that kind of identity. "White power" is hinged on the idea of the dominant social group not giving up any of the advantages it has or "sharing the wealth" as it were with people who are non-white. It's really the polar opposite of wha "black power" is and what it is defined by.

[foodcourtdruide]

I'm all for having pride for who you are, but people who vote just based on pride bother me. Both sides.

I'm not trying to cheapen Obama's win. He won for other reasons than just being a black man. But him being black certainly helped.

It hurt too! Look at the Wright controversy. If Wright and Obama were white, saying crazy white preacher shit, it would have been just another nutty religious guy.

Obama had TONS of allegations thrown at him because of his race and ethnicity that he wouldn't have had if he was a white guy from Colorado.

[reillyluck]

That's not my point. I don't care that Obama is black. That never factored into my vote. It's historical and it's great to see.

But that's just me. I understand the strides that we made. I'm proud of America. But personally, the fact he was black never made me think less or think more of him.

no i know. i just mean in general. all day i heard that shit at work. :wallbash:

fact is Obama won. he didnt give a shit what you were as long as you voted. the people have spoken.

[NewYorkDragons80]

I said this before and during the election and I'll say it now: I was, always have been, and always will be pro-McCain, but I'm not now, nor was I ever anti-Obama. if anybody but McCain got the nomination, I would've been dancing along with everyone else last night. That being said, I'm impressed/optimistic about the overtures he'd already made to Richard Lugar for State. While Lugar appears to have rebuffed the notion, t'll be really interesting if any older Republicans without a shot at the Presidency take a cabinet position. If Merril McPeak gets a high positon in the DoD, though, I'll fucking revolt.

[JerseySean]

I said this before and during the election and I'll say it now: I was, always have been, and always will be pro-McCain, but I'm not now, nor was I ever anti-Obama. if anybody but McCain got the nomination, I would've been dancing along with everyone else last night. That being said, I'm impressed/optimistic about the overtures he'd already made to Richard Lugar for State. While Lugar appears to have rebuffed the notion, t'll be really interesting if any older Republicans without a shot at the Presidency take a cabinet position. If Merril McPeak gets a high positon in the DoD, though, I'll fucking revolt.

John McCain's speech last night was a brilliant ending to an amazing life of public service and very classy. I think he is just a victim of bad political timing. He just never found the right time.

[TheMojoPin]

I said this before and during the election and I'll say it now: I was, always have been, and always will be pro-McCain, but I'm not now, nor was I ever anti-Obama. if anybody but McCain got the nomination, I would've been dancing along with everyone else last night. That being said, I'm impressed/optimistic about the overtures he'd already made to Richard Lugar for State. While Lugar appears to have rebuffed the notion, t'll be really interesting if any older Republicans without a shot at the Presidency take a cabinet position. If Merril McPeak gets a high positon in the DoD, though, I'll fucking revolt.

Richard Lugar is an amazing public servant and politician, and if he ends up part of Obama's administration I would plotz.

[epo]

That's not my point. I don't care that Obama is black. That never factored into my vote. It's historical and it's great to see.

But that's just me. I understand the strides that we made. I'm proud of America. But personally, the fact he was black never made me think less or think more of him.

Here is a factor that you may not really think of Keithy.

Your generation doesn't think of race and that's a wonderful thing. Take your parent's generation (Baby Boomers) and above...and they lived in world in which they've seen great racial problems in our nation.

To you, Obama was a "candidate" and that's awesome. To your parents and grandparents, Obama was a "black candidate" which is a whole different world.

For that fact alone, last night was an amazing day in American history.

[EliSnow]

Here is a factor that you may not really think of Keithy.

Your generation doesn't think of race and that's a wonderful thing. Take your parent's generation (Baby Boomers) and above...and they lived in world in which they've seen great racial problems in our nation.

To you, Obama was a "candidate" and that's awesome. To your parents and grandparents, Obama was a "black candidate" which is a whole different world.

For that fact alone, last night was an amazing day in American history.

As an example, my wife's mother is racist and to my wife, said a lot of bad stuff about Obama and his wife cause they are black, but to me and to my wife said, he's not the right candidate because the country is not ready for a black president. Clearly, she was wrong in part because of younger voters who don't see the race as as big of an issue. But for her generation, and for the generation below, it completely was.

[zildjian361]

whats the over/under on assassination ??

I voted for Obama because both Mcain and Obama will be dead in 4 yars,so i rather have Joe Biden than Palin as President. Ice Nealy Carlstadt NJ a co-worker.:smoke::drunk:

[TheMojoPin]

Love the British parliament.

Here's the Conservative and Labour leaders clashing in response to Obama's election. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7710964.stm)

[JerseySean]

Love the British parliament.

Here's the Conservative and Labour leaders clashing in response to Obama's election. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7710964.stm)

How much fun is Parliament?

[TheMojoPin]

How much fun is Parliament?

So much fun. I love when the show the feed on CSPAN. I love a bawdy government.

[mikeyboy]

How much fun is Parliament?

much

http://www.artistwd.com/joyzine/music/clinton/p-funk.jpg

[angrymissy]

So much fun. I love when the show the feed on CSPAN. I love a bawdy government.

I have no sound at work right now, but just watching the video it looks a MILLION times more fun than what we have. I almost thought it was fake

[Furtherman]

So much fun. I love when the show the feed on CSPAN. I love a bawdy government.

The state opening of Parliment each year is a fantastic show.
This year it's December 3rd. I'll have to keep an eye out for the time C-Span is showing it.

They slam the door in the Queen's messenger's face!

[Syd]

I said this before and during the election and I'll say it now: I was, always have been, and always will be pro-McCain, but I'm not now, nor was I ever anti-Obama. if anybody but McCain got the nomination, I would've been dancing along with everyone else last night. That being said, I'm impressed/optimistic about the overtures he'd already made to Richard Lugar for State. While Lugar appears to have rebuffed the notion, t'll be really interesting if any older Republicans without a shot at the Presidency take a cabinet position. If Merril McPeak gets a high positon in the DoD, though, I'll fucking revolt.

There will be plenty of Republicans ready to jump ship. After the 2006 massacre, most even moderate Republicans were pushed out and now in 2008 were pushed out in primaries by far right Republicans. The only Republicans that will be left in Congress are essentially nouveau Dixiecrats. Their rhetoric will cause problems for them to attract new voters -- as it has been proven in this election. Their base is waning and a lot of Republicans are certainly going to work with Obama to create a party centered around fiscal responsibility.

Given how wildly successful the DLC was wedging themselves in the Democratic party and ultimately shifting party policy -- for both the GOP and Democratic party towards that you're likely going to see someone like Hagel pop in as another sect of the GOP. It could be Hagel himself but I am almost certain he'll end up in the cabinet.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Congrats to us all on the 44th straight white president.

[JerseySean]

There will be plenty of Republicans ready to jump ship. After the 2006 massacre, most even moderate Republicans were pushed out and now in 2008 were pushed out in primaries by far right Republicans. The only Republicans that will be left in Congress are essentially nouveau Dixiecrats. Their rhetoric will cause problems for them to attract new voters -- as it has been proven in this election. Their base is waning and a lot of Republicans are certainly going to work with Obama to create a party centered around fiscal responsibility.

Given how wildly successful the DLC was wedging themselves in the Democratic party and ultimately shifting party policy -- for both the GOP and Democratic party towards that you're likely going to see someone like Hagel pop in as another sect of the GOP. It could be Hagel himself but I am almost certain he'll end up in the cabinet.

Yesterday wasnt a rejection of conservatism. While Im not a believer in strict conservatism, I have to be honest and say that only 9% of those asked said that the Republicans are too conservative. The problem is lack of ideas. Lets just look back in time quickly at 2004. The GOP had 55 Senate seats, the Dems now have 56-57. The Republicans had 232 in the House, the Dems now have 254, The Presidency was won with about a 3% margin for the GOP, Obama won with about 6%. You guys need to celebrate the victory of last night as you should, and then see reality.
The reality is that in American politics of which time moves quicker than ever, anything can happen in four years. Anything. It is not out of the question to ask for a 3% swing back if the Dems dont get the job done. Moreover, their expectations are through the roof right now. THEY HAVE TO HAVE AN IMPACT ASAP/

[EffMeBoobs]

Yeah, this really is an incredible event we're seeing happening in front of us. I'm almost kind of dazed seeing history being made and progress achieved on this level and so definitively all at once.

Really, this is amazing.

This is exactly how I felt. It's surreal. I'm so happy. Lou and I were in tears last night, we busted out the Royal Tekai to celebrate the most historic moment in US history. Something to tell the grandkids about someday.

[JerseySean]

This is exactly how I felt. It's surreal. I'm so happy. Lou and I were in tears last night, we busted out the Royal Tekai to celebrate the most historic moment in US history. Something to tell the grandkids about someday.

I feel like Anthony, I just dont understand you people. I just dont get it.

[mikeyboy]

I feel like Anthony, I just dont understand you people. I just dont get it.

[insert tired "you people" joke here]

[Syd]

Yesterday wasnt a rejection of conservatism. While Im not a believer in strict conservatism, I have to be honest and say that only 9% of those asked said that the Republicans are too conservative. The problem is lack of ideas. Lets just look back in time quickly at 2004. The GOP had 55 Senate seats, the Dems now have 56-57. The Republicans had 232 in the House, the Dems now have 254, The Presidency was won with about a 3% margin for the GOP, Obama won with about 6%. You guys need to celebrate the victory of last night as you should, and then see reality.
The reality is that in American politics of which time moves quicker than ever, anything can happen in four years. Anything. It is not out of the question to ask for a 3% swing back if the Dems dont get the job done. Moreover, their expectations are through the roof right now. THEY HAVE TO HAVE AN IMPACT ASAP/

Yesterday was a rejection of conservatism -- basically if Obama was white, it would have been a bloodbath. If you don't believe the exit polls explicitly pointing out that Obama's race was a negative factor in some voters minds that's fine, its your opinion. Fact of the matter is Obama just had a spotlight shine on two states that are rapidly shifting demographics -- Virginia and North Carolina. NoVA and the Triad both are turning into liberal hotbeds and the demographics are only becoming worse and worse for the GOP. They're going to have to shift away from religion and on to socially moderate/liberal issues to capture new voters.

As for a 3% swing -- are you remembering that the GOP constituency is dying off? They're capturing new voters at a dismal pace and with a figure like Obama to rally around more and more people are interested in politics now. 2012 will only bring another record voter turnout. With the right work from Dean and the DNC it's likely we'll see a very strong turnout in 2010 as well.

[JerseySean]

[insert tired "you people" joke here]

Message board geeks

[EffMeBoobs]

Message board geeks

Oooooooooooo. You got me....

[reillyluck]

Oh snap, son!!!

[donnie_darko]

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/obama_11_05/obama27_16804595.jpg

this kids gonna get mad gash when the girls at GW see him on digg.

[mikeyboy]

Message board geeks

In all serious, regardless of political affiliations and agenda, don't you see some significance in the fact that this country has come far enough that we are able to elect an African American as President? Sure you don't agree with him as a candidate or as a person, but that's not really the point. Such a scenario seemed pretty unfathomable even a few years ago. Given the history of prejudice and racism in this country, that's something to be proud of in and of itself, and I would feel the same way if it was an African American Republican candidate who I disagreed with fiercely.

[BlackSpider]

In all serious, regardless of political affiliations and agenda, don't you see some significance in the fact that this country has come far enough that we are able to elect an African American as President? Sure you don't agree with him as a candidate or as a person, but that's not really the point. Such a scenario seemed pretty unfathomable even a few years ago. Given the history of prejudice and racism in this country, that's something to be proud of in and of itself, and I would feel the same way if it was an African American Republican candidate who I disagreed with fiercely.

He's African American? I didn't notice.
I don't see color, I judge people by the content of their charater...

[reillyluck]

He's African American? I didn't notice.
I don't see color, I judge people by the content of their charater...

he won. you can now call yourself spider.

[BlackSpider]

he won. you can now call yourself spider.

I wanted to, but it was taken here by someone that never posts.
The Black describes my soul, not my color...

[reillyluck]

I wanted to, but it was taken here by someone that never posts.
The Black describes my soul, not my color...

I like black spiders.

[cougarjake13]

In all serious, regardless of political affiliations and agenda, don't you see some significance in the fact that this country has come far enough that we are able to elect an African American as President? Sure you don't agree with him as a candidate or as a person, but that's not really the point. Such a scenario seemed pretty unfathomable even a few years ago. Given the history of prejudice and racism in this country, that's something to be proud of in and of itself, and I would feel the same way if it was an African American Republican candidate who I disagreed with fiercely.



the significance will come when an african american gets elected and its no big deal

[BlackSpider]

I like black spiders.

I'm blushing now...:wub::wub::wub:

[cougarjake13]

black spiders are hot


i even have a tattoo of one on my forearm

[foodcourtdruide]

Stop it. Just fucking stop it. There may be a tiny portion of people. But stop it. We elected a guy named Barack Hussein Obama to the Presidency last night. He got 45% of the white vote and 98% of the black vote.

So what's your point Sean? Because the majority of people in this country are not racist, racism does not exist? It's still there. There are racist blacks and racist whites. Black people are still the victims of both implicit and explicit racism everyday, and vice versa. I'm sorry if that makes you feel uncomfortable, but it is true. I don't know why it hurts you that I say racism exists, but it does.

[MacVittie]

This is exactly how I felt. It's surreal. I'm so happy. Lou and I were in tears last night, we busted out the Royal Tekai to celebrate the most historic moment in US history. Something to tell the grandkids about someday.

My hope is that my grandkids won't see what the big fuss was all about over electing a black president.

[mikeyboy]

the significance will come when an african american gets elected and its no big deal

That's the next step, but it doesn't make this step any less significant.

As an anecdote, I remember when Walter Mondale chose Geraldine Ferraro as his running mate, and I recall all kinds of debate over whether a woman could handle the role of President. I also remember those none too subtle cold war fears about a President having access to "the button" when she was on her period. Now, when McCain chose Palin as his running mate there were many questions about whether or not Palin was fit for office, but none of it seemed to be because of her gender. Maybe it's the changing times, or maybe it's that the Dems had Hillary up as a legitimate candidate during the primaries, but the issue of a woman in the White House seemed to be a non-issue. I loathe Sarah Palin as a candidate, but I do feel it is significant of the changing attitudes in this country, and I do think it's something to be proud of.

[foodcourtdruide]

That's the next step, but it doesn't make this step any less significant.

As an anecdote, I remember when Walter Mondale chose Geraldine Ferraro as his running mate, and I recall all kinds of debate over whether a woman could handle the role of President. I also remember those none too subtle cold war fears about a President having access to "the button" when she was on her period. Now, when McCain chose Palin as his running mate there were many questions about whether or not Palin was fit for office, but none of it seemed to be because of her gender. Maybe it's the changing times, or maybe it's that the Dems had Hillary up as a legitimate candidate during the primaries, but the issue of a woman in the White House seemed to be a non-issue. I loathe Sarah Palin as a candidate, but I do feel it is significant of the changing attitudes in this country, and I do think it's something to be proud of.

God, how old are you?

[foodcourtdruide]

God, how old are you?

Just kidding please don't ban me. If you do then I'll come back and start a thread about ronfez.net being facist.

[thejives]

This is, without a doubt, the most amazing election result ever.

[Friday]

In all serious, regardless of political affiliations and agenda, don't you see some significance in the fact that this country has come far enough that we are able to elect an African American as President? Sure you don't agree with him as a candidate or as a person, but that's not really the point. Such a scenario seemed pretty unfathomable even a few years ago. Given the history of prejudice and racism in this country, that's something to be proud of in and of itself, and I would feel the same way if it was an African American Republican candidate who I disagreed with fiercely.

i called it last night... JerseySean and SP1 should date. or at least have an anger fuck.

[NewYorkDragons80]

This is exactly how I felt. It's surreal. I'm so happy. Lou and I were in tears last night, we busted out the Royal Tekai to celebrate the most historic moment in US history. Something to tell the grandkids about someday.
OK, this is a great moment in US history and a huge step forward for this country, but can we stop overstating the significance of this? By no stretch of the imagination is this the most historic event in US history, not by a longshot. There's at least 5 things that instantly pop into my mind that are more historic than this.

[SatCam]

yesbama

[TheMojoPin]

OK, this is a great moment in US history and a huge step forward for this country, but can we stop overstating the significance of this? By no stretch of the imagination is this the most historic event in US history, not by a longshot. There's at least 5 things that instantly pop into my mind that are more historic than this.

So? Why do you want to dictate how people can respond to this? For a lot of people, like me, this is really the most amazing positive historical event I have witnessed besides the Berlin Wall coming down.

[IMSlacker]

So? Why do you want to dictate how people can respond to this? For a lot of people, like me, this is really the most amazing positive historical event I have witnessed besides the Berlin Wall coming down.

I wonder if Obama will get a Scorpions song too.

[TheMojoPin]

I wonder if Obama will get a Scorpions song too.

If he had come out wearing Hasselhoff's light up leather jacket, I probably would have jizzed right then and there.

[GreatAmericanZero]

Every single republican i hear interviewed gives Sarah Palin some of the blame for McCain's failure. Atleast no one has said "its amazing he lost despite how great Palin did"

so now everyone is turning their back on their "breath of fresh air" sarah palin. such liars

[Captain Rooster]

From Friedman's Op/Ed in the New York Times ... so fucking inspiring:

"And so it came to pass that on Nov. 4, 2008, shortly after 11 p.m. Eastern time, the American Civil War ended ...."

[foodcourtdruide]

OK, this is a great moment in US history and a huge step forward for this country, but can we stop overstating the significance of this? By no stretch of the imagination is this the most historic event in US history, not by a longshot. There's at least 5 things that instantly pop into my mind that are more historic than this.

I made a similar comment in another thread, it may not be the most historic event in US history to you, but it can be to some people. Also, even if it's #25, that's pretty fucking impressive over a 200+ year period.

[foodcourtdruide]

So? Why do you want to dictate how people can respond to this? For a lot of people, like me, this is really the most amazing positive historical event I have witnessed besides the Berlin Wall coming down.

I thought about this and I'd say 9/11 is probably up there too. W's presidency was really historic, but you can't pin that down to one "event".

[epo]

OK, this is a great moment in US history and a huge step forward for this country, but can we stop overstating the significance of this? By no stretch of the imagination is this the most historic event in US history, not by a longshot. There's at least 5 things that instantly pop into my mind that are more historic than this.

I made a similar comment in another thread, it may not be the most historic event in US history to you, but it can be to some people. Also, even if it's #25, that's pretty fucking impressive over a 200+ year period.

Fair enough, but each generation of Americans has a moment or two that reminds them of what is truly beautiful about America. For our generation...Barack Obama being elected as President seems to be that moment.

We are the generation that race is no longer a barrier for the highest office in the land. This means that other bullshit barriers will only follow and other great & qualified individuals should follow the same path that Senator Obama blazed for them.

This also means that, no matter our background, we can begin to look any little kid in the eye and tell them that "they could be president"...and we would honestly mean it. That's a pretty amazing thing.

[foodcourtdruide]

Fair enough, but each generation of Americans has a moment or two that reminds them of what is truly beautiful about America. For our generation...Barack Obama being elected as President seems to be that moment.

We are the generation that race is no longer a barrier for the highest office in the land. This means that other bullshit barriers will only follow and other great & qualified individuals should follow the same path that Senator Obama blazed for them.

This also means that, no matter our background, we can begin to look any little kid in the eye and tell them that "they could be president"...and we would honestly mean it. That's a pretty amazing thing.

I don't know if that's true. I can't see a gay person or a muslim being president yet.

I agree that Obama being elected was the most positive moment of our generation. I agree 100% with that.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I STILL can't get over that California somehow elected Obama yet approved Prop 8.

It just doesn't make any fucking SENSE!

I despise Prop 8. I fucking LOATHE it. It's completely backwards thinking.

[TheMojoPin]

I thought about this and I'd say 9/11 is probably up there too. W's presidency was really historic, but you can't pin that down to one "event".

That's why I said positive. The only thing my life that rivals it (and actualy surpasses it), in terms of people accomplishing somthing that massive scores of people see as "good," was the Berlin Wall coming down. 9/11 was gigantic, but it was something horrible that happened to us.

[foodcourtdruide]

That's why I said positive. The only thing my life that rivals it (and actualy surpasses it), in terms of people accomplishing somthing that massive scores of people see as "good," was the Berlin Wall coming down. 9/11 was gigantic, but it was something horrible that happened to us.

Got'cha. I agree.

[JerseySean]

In all serious, regardless of political affiliations and agenda, don't you see some significance in the fact that this country has come far enough that we are able to elect an African American as President? Sure you don't agree with him as a candidate or as a person, but that's not really the point. Such a scenario seemed pretty unfathomable even a few years ago. Given the history of prejudice and racism in this country, that's something to be proud of in and of itself, and I would feel the same way if it was an African American Republican candidate who I disagreed with fiercely.

Sure I do. But for me his ideology and policies trump that 10x. Im glad we got over this hump in a way, but again the fact -that I do believe Obama will make this country worse, makes me not care about his color or "tear up". I dont care what he looks like, I care what he will do to this country. I hope I am wrong....time will tell.

[JerseySean]

I STILL can't get over that California somehow elected Obama yet approved Prop 8.

It just doesn't make any fucking SENSE!

I despise Prop 8. I fucking LOATHE it. It's completely backwards thinking.

I Blame the blacks

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_10909847

How is it backwards? It is totally right and according to obama, he agrees with it.

[K.C.]

I Blame the blacks

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_10909847

How is it backwards? It is totally right and according to obama, he agrees with it.

It one of the things that Democrats don't really understand a lot of time, but, Republicans never really capitalize on either.

There is a large sect of the African-American population that is VERY socially conservative (aka The Earl Douglas factor).

They vote Democratic largely on minority issues and economics, but that streak still exists.

Once in a great moon, it rears its head like with this Prop 8 thing.

If Republicans could ever figure out how to pick off a nice chunk of black votes by tapping into that, they'd be in good shape, but nobody's really been able to reconcile the social conservatism with the economic liberalism on a National level.

[JerseySean]

If Republicans could ever figure out how to pick off a nice chunk of black votes by tapping into that, they'd be in good shape, but nobody's really been able to reconcile the social conservatism with the economic liberalism on a National level.

Huckabee would. I worked for a candidate in Louisiana who ran for congress. He was a Republican. In his State Senate district in the congressional election he got 64% of the black vote amongst those who knew him best. Elsewhere in the district, where people hadnt been close to him for a few years, he got 6%.

For that strategy, we need a southern populist politician.

[spoon]

I guess things have been known to change with the wind in the past, but I really don't see the African-American vote going away from the Dems any time soon.......ESPECIALLY after they helped put Obama in office. It just got even harder to accomplish this goal.

[JerseySean]

I guess things have been known to change with the wind in the past, but I really don't see the African-American vote going away from the Dems any time soon.......ESPECIALLY after they helped put Obama in office. It just got even harder to accomplish this goal.

Obviosuly, they wont move from Obama. All we need is 20% and Dems are screwed. If Republicans could move that margin 20 points and pull 38-45 of the hispanics, and KEEP THEM with us, the Democrat party would be done.

[Recyclerz]

Huckabee would. I worked for a candidate in Louisiana who ran for congress. He was a Republican. In his State Senate district in the congressional election he got 64% of the black vote amongst those who knew him best. Elsewhere in the district, where people hadnt been close to him for a few years, he got 6%.

For that strategy, we need a southern populist politician.

Huckabee would be the candidate for the cleaned up Bush section of the GOP, the "big government" conservatives. (Like Ross Douthat and Reihan Salam with their new book.) The small government conservatives might split off or join the Dems if they keep losing to the big spending social conservatives. That might pick up some of the black vote (if we're going to keep using the old school labels).

[TheMojoPin]

Obviosuly, they wont move from Obama. All we need is 20% and Dems are screwed. If Republicans could move that margin 20 points and pull 38-45 of the hispanics, and KEEP THEM with us, the Democrat party would be done.

You talk like pople think the Republicans are "dead," yet propose a scenario where the Democrats would be "done" as if that's any more feasable.

[epo]

Obviosuly, they wont move from Obama. All we need is 20% and Dems are screwed. If Republicans could move that margin 20 points and pull 38-45 of the hispanics, and KEEP THEM with us, the Democrat party would be done.

Your problem is that the nation went through a "generational defining" election and black voters went 95-4 and hispanic voters went 67-31. Plus with the manner in which Republicans have shit on immigrants in policy and attempted to define Senator Obama as "exotic"....you'll have a fucking mountain to climb with that crowd.

Head to the lab...it's time for re-branding.

[A.J.]

much

http://www.artistwd.com/joyzine/music/clinton/p-funk.jpg

Like I said before -- I want to see the Mothership landing on the White House on 20 January.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Like I said before -- I want to see the Mothership landing on the White House on 20 January.

Seriously, how fucking awesome would it be to see Obama and George Clinton get out of a fog-filled spaceship at the inauguration.

[A.J.]

I've been watching some clips of Obama's acceptance speech today in the office and I was pleased to see that he didn't do what Marion Barry did when he won re-election as Mayor of DC: tell white people to "get over it".

On the other hand, I probably would have laughed.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Forgive me if this was already asked:

Obama is currently the Jr. Senator of Illinois. (McCain and Obama haven't been doing their actual jobs during the campaign, BTW :dry:) How do they determine who takes over his senate seat once he becomes President?

Just a technical question: This isn't the first time of course. I am guessing the Lt. Governor takes over if a Governor becomes President (W and Clinton) is there a person next in line for both Senate seats?

[A.J.]

Forgive me if this was already asked:

Obama is currently the Jr. Senator of Illinois. (McCain and Obama haven't been doing their actual jobs during the campaign, BTW :dry:) How do they determine who takes over his senate seat once he becomes President?

Just a technical question: This isn't the first time of course. I am guessing the Lt. Governor takes over if a Governor becomes President (W and Clinton) is there a person next in line for both Senate seats?

The Governor of Illinois will appoint a replacement. That person will have to run again when Obama's term expires in 2011. The same thing will happen in Delaware because Biden won reelection this year. The Governor will probably appoint a placeholder until Biden's son can fill the seat.

I believe that this is the first time since JFK/LBJ in 1960 that both the new President and Vice President were incumbant Senators who were elected to their respective offices.

[yojimbo7248]

Seriously, how fucking awesome would it be to see Obama and George Clinton get out of a fog-filled spaceship at the inauguration.

That image made my morning. God Bless the Motherfucking US of A!

[NewYorkDragons80]

Fair enough, but each generation of Americans has a moment or two that reminds them of what is truly beautiful about America. For our generation...Barack Obama being elected as President seems to be that moment.

We are the generation that race is no longer a barrier for the highest office in the land. This means that other bullshit barriers will only follow and other great & qualified individuals should follow the same path that Senator Obama blazed for them.

This also means that, no matter our background, we can begin to look any little kid in the eye and tell them that "they could be president"...and we would honestly mean it. That's a pretty amazing thing.

I wasn't trying to piss on anybody's parade, I just think people are jumping to conclusions before he's even inaugurated. I agree with Mojo's view of the significance in our lifetime, but effmeboobs said it definitively was *the most* important event. She's absolutely entitled to her opinion, but it's up for debate.

[NewYorkDragons80]

The Governor of Illinois will appoint a replacement. That person will have to run again when Obama's term expires in 2011. The same thing will happen in Delaware because Biden won reelection this year. The Governor will probably appoint a placeholder until Biden's son can fill the seat.

I believe that this is the first time since JFK/LBJ in 1960 that both the new President and Vice President were incumbant Senators who were elected to their respective offices.

Also the first time since JFK that a sitting Senator was elected.

[EliSnow]

Obviosuly, they wont move from Obama. All we need is 20% and Dems are screwed. If Republicans could move that margin 20 points and pull 38-45 of the hispanics, and KEEP THEM with us, the Democrat party would be done.

So after your "successful" analysis of how McCain would win the election, now you're projecting how the republicans can get rid of the Democrat Party forever?

Come on.

[A.J.]

Fair enough, but each generation of Americans has a moment or two that reminds them of what is truly beautiful about America. For our generation...Barack Obama being elected as President seems to be that moment.

We are the generation that race is no longer a barrier for the highest office in the land. This means that other bullshit barriers will only follow and other great & qualified individuals should follow the same path that Senator Obama blazed for them.

This also means that, no matter our background, we can begin to look any little kid in the eye and tell them that "they could be president"...and we would honestly mean it. That's a pretty amazing thing.

And "the torch has been passed" line he borrowed from JFK is quite appropriate. Though not quite a Generation Xer, he's closer to my age than my parents'.

JFK used that torch has been passed line in his 1961 Inaugural speech -- the same year Obama was born. Coinkydink?

[A.J.]

Also the first time since JFK that a sitting Senator was elected.

That's what I meant by "incumbent" (forgive the typo).

[Doctor Manhattan]

That person will have to run again when Obama's term expires in 2011. The same thing will happen in Delaware because Biden won reelection this year. The Governor will probably appoint a placeholder until Biden's son can fill the seat.

Thanks AJ,

So Biden was running for both positions? And people voted for him in both!?!? I don't like the sound of that.. I can understand Obama running in the middle of his 6 Year term but to run for both at once?

[A.J.]

Thanks AJ,

So Biden was running for both positions? And people voted for him in both!?!? I don't like the sound of that.. I can understand Obama running in the middle of his 6 Year term but to run for both at once?


No problem. Delaware state law allows that. The popular name for such a thing is the "LBJ law". He used that to keep his Senate seat if he and JFK lost in 1960.

Shockingly, Joe Lieberman did the same thing when he ran with Gore in 2000. But he's not about keeping power at whatever cost or anything....

[yojimbo7248]

I had a very awkward conversation with my right wing father yesterday. He lives in California so he was keeping his gloating over Prop 8 to a minimum and I was being low key about how excited I am about President Obama. Hearing Obama's name was like a red flag to an old crotchety bull. He asked why Obama's mom wasn't on stage at Grant Park. I didn't want to fight so i didn't take the bait. My dad is not very bright and definitely not an original thinker so he has read somewhere that there is a muslim, anti-christ angle to Obama hiding his white mother. He has probably read that the evil forces controlling Obama have forced him to keep her hidden. Has anyone heard these conspiracy theories about what happened to Obama's white mom?

[IMSlacker]

I had a very awkward conversation with my right wing father yesterday. He lives in California so he was keeping his gloating over Prop 8 to a minimum and I was being low key about how excited I am about President Obama. Hearing Obama's name was like a red flag to an old crotchety bull. He asked why Obama's mom wasn't on stage at Grant Park. I didn't want to fight so i didn't take the bait. My dad is not very bright and definitely not an original thinker so he has read somewhere that there is a muslim, anti-christ angle to Obama hiding his white mother. He has probably read that the evil forces controlling Obama have forced him to keep her hidden. Has anyone heard these conspiracy theories about what happened to Obama's white mom?

I thought she died of cancer. Haven't heard any conspiracy theories about his mom.

[yojimbo7248]

I thought she died of cancer. Haven't heard any conspiracy theories about his mom.

Thanks. Just confirms it, though I love the old man, he is fucking barking mad.

[mikeyboy]

I thought she died of cancer. Haven't heard any conspiracy theories about his mom.

I couldn't find anything about them faking her death, but the lynch pin of conspiracy theorists seems to be that Obama's mother gave birth to him on August 4, 1961, but she was enrolled at University of Washington in the fall and attended classes later in August, which might be odd, but certainly not impossible. The theories seem to be that his mother was pregnant with an illegitimate mixed-race child and fled to Hawaii where she convinced Barack Obama Sr. to act as the father. There are also theories that Obama's natural father was either communist poet Frank Marshall Davis (http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/09/was-communist-frank-marshall-davis.html) or Malcolm X (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/how-could-stanl.html#more). Crazy shit.

[EliSnow]

Thanks. Just confirms it, though I love the old man, he is fucking barking mad.

Call him up and say, "Dad, I found out where Obama has his mom hidden!!!"

"Where son?"

"In a grave, Dad. Cause she died of ovarian cancer in 1995, you freakin' nutter!"

[yojimbo7248]

Call him up and say, "Dad, I found out where Obama has his mom hidden!!!"

"Where son?"

"In a grave, Dad. Cause she died of ovarian cancer in 1995, you freakin' nutter!"

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[brettmojo]

I had a very awkward conversation with my right wing father yesterday. He lives in California so he was keeping his gloating over Prop 8 to a minimum and I was being low key about how excited I am about President Obama. Hearing Obama's name was like a red flag to an old crotchety bull. He asked why Obama's mom wasn't on stage at Grant Park. I didn't want to fight so i didn't take the bait. My dad is not very bright and definitely not an original thinker so he has read somewhere that there is a muslim, anti-christ angle to Obama hiding his white mother. He has probably read that the evil forces controlling Obama have forced him to keep her hidden. Has anyone heard these conspiracy theories about what happened to Obama's white mom?
You know, if you record yourself saying the name "Obama" then play it backwards... It says Anti-Christ.

[TheMojoPin]

There are also theories that Obama's natural father was either communist poet Frank Marshall Davis (http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/09/was-communist-frank-marshall-davis.html) or Malcolm X (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/how-could-stanl.html#more). Crazy shit.

Wait, that would just make him even more awesome.

[angrymissy]

sorry if this was already posted, but I just saw it

Nader calls Obama an UNCLE TOM and FOXNEWS has to reprimand him??!?!

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[angrymissy]

AND

Palin didn't know Africa was a CONTINENT, not a country??!!

HuffPo link, but is video of O'Reilly (who suggests it wouldn't be a big deal to just tutor her on Geography)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/palin-didnt-know-africa-i_n_141653.html

[EliSnow]

AND

Palin didn't know Africa was a CONTINENT, not a country??!!

HuffPo link, but is video of O'Reilly (who suggests it wouldn't be a big deal to just tutor her on Geography)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/palin-didnt-know-africa-i_n_141653.html

Aren't you so glad that we don't have VP who is not smarter than a fifth grader?

[EliSnow]

AND

Palin didn't know Africa was a CONTINENT, not a country??!!

HuffPo link, but is video of O'Reilly (who suggests it wouldn't be a big deal to just tutor her on Geography)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/palin-didnt-know-africa-i_n_141653.html

I think the highlights from Newsweek's report was even more interesting.

[angrymissy]

I think the highlights from Newsweek's report was even more interesting.

Oh man. The walking out in a towel business? Asked to buy 3 suits and spends $150k? I can't wait until everyone starts talking.

[AKA]

Nader calls Obama an UNCLE TOM and FOXNEWS has to reprimand him??!?!

You know, I hate FOX most of the time (their morning show, Dick Morris, Juan Williams, The Beltway Boys, porn lover Brit Hume, cable access quality Mike Huckabee show, Karl Rove, useless Greta and Geraldo, Sean Hannity, Bill Kristol, Bill O'Reilly, the "liberals" they bring on as punching bags, Chris Wallace), but in the last couple of weeks Shep Smith (http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/sheppard-smith-blasts-joe-plumber-sayin) and Major Garrett (http://www.jossip.com/major-garrett-turns-on-fox-compatriots-in-support-of-obama-20081103/) stepped up, in two different instances.

Geraldo and Sheperd Smith were the ones on FOX who blasted people like O'Reilly about th Government response in Katrina, as it was happening.

[Furtherman]

HuffPo link, but is video of O'Reilly (who suggests it wouldn't be a big deal to just tutor her on Geography)

She must have been absent that day in 1st grade.

[EliSnow]

Oh man. The walking out in a towel business?

Well, now we know one scene in the soon-to-be-made porn movie about Governor Palin.

[yojimbo7248]

AND

Palin didn't know Africa was a CONTINENT, not a country??!!

HuffPo link, but is video of O'Reilly (who suggests it wouldn't be a big deal to just tutor her on Geography)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/palin-didnt-know-africa-i_n_141653.html

I am so damn pleased that right now Palin can say anything and it just doesn't matter. What a relief that she won't be an old man's heartbeat away from the presidency. My wife told me that a British journalist has received leaked memos that show the level of McCain's contempt for her. She didn't have time to pass me the details but I will post them if interesting. It's obvious there wasn't much love between the McCains and the Palins on stage after the concession speech.

[EliSnow]

I am so damn pleased that right now Palin can say anything and it just doesn't matter. What a relief that she won't be an old man's heartbeat away from the presidency. My wife told me that a British journalist has received leaked memos that show the level of McCain's contempt for her. She didn't have time to pass me the details but I will post them if interesting. It's obvious there wasn't much love between the McCains and the Palins on stage after the concession speech.

But .... but, they were both mavericks!!!!!

[angrymissy]

I am so damn pleased that right now Palin can say anything and it just doesn't matter. What a relief that she won't be an old man's heartbeat away from the presidency. My wife told me that a British journalist has received leaked memos that show the level of McCain's contempt for her. She didn't have time to pass me the details but I will post them if interesting. It's obvious there wasn't much love between the McCains and the Palins on stage after the concession speech.

Teh Newsweek article goes into it a bit, and I'm sure more stories will come out in the coming weeks... apparently she wanted to speak at the concession speech but he wouldn't let her.

[AKA]

I am so damn pleased that right now Palin can say anything and it just doesn't matter. What a relief that she won't be an old man's heartbeat away from the presidency.

AMEN

[mikeyboy]

I really hope there is an in-depth behind the scenes book about the McCain camp and the Palin selection.

[angrymissy]

I really hope there is an in-depth behind the scenes book about the McCain camp and the Palin selection.

I want a made for tv movie

[EliSnow]

You know if there is anything there about Palin, it's going to come out. Given her new huge status in the GOP, she'll now have internal party rivals, even within McCain's camp, that's going to want to cut her down so she's not a tangible threat for 2012.

[yojimbo7248]

I really hope there is an in-depth behind the scenes book about the McCain camp and the Palin selection.

NY Times Sunday magazine had a good behind the scenes McCain campaign article that touches on the decision to bring in Palin:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/26/magazine/26mccain-t.html?_r=1&ref=magazine&oref=slogin

[Dougie Brootal]

I am so damn pleased that right now Palin can say anything and it just doesn't matter. What a relief that she won't be an old man's heartbeat away from the presidency. My wife told me that a British journalist has received leaked memos that show the level of McCain's contempt for her. She didn't have time to pass me the details but I will post them if interesting. It's obvious there wasn't much love between the McCains and the Palins on stage after the concession speech.

please god post the details or a link!!! PLEEEAASSEE?????

[yojimbo7248]

please god post the details or a link!!! PLEEEAASSEE?????

I'll get the details from my wife and post it.

[Dougie Brootal]

I'll get the details from my wife and post it.

awesommmme!

[AKA]

You know if there is anything there about Palin, it's going to come out. Given her new huge status in the GOP, she'll now have internal party rivals, even within McCain's camp, that's going to want to cut her down so she's not a tangible threat for 2012.

The Conservatives have been the "opposition" party for more than 10 years now in England, due mostly to internal fighting. We might be seeing the start of a long, long stretch of American conservatives fighting among themselves, keeping themselves out of power.

The very fact that some people still blame the loss on John McCain not going negative ENOUGH shows a huge disconnect with the message the majority of Americans were trying to send.

[mendyweiss]

Did Anyone Else Save Yesterday's Newspaper ?

[Freakshow]

Aren't you so glad that we don't have VP who is not smarter than a fifth grader?

He should know his geography--he's been to Claymont. And he's been to New-ark.

[foodcourtdruide]

He should know his geography--he's been to Claymont. And he's been to New-ark.

He won he Presidential election with a guy from werk.

[IMSlacker]

Obama is unofficially the winner in NC (http://www.newsobserver.com/politics/story/1283680.html), pending the counting of provisional ballots.

[JerseySean]

There are also theories that Obama's natural father was either communist poet Frank Marshall Davis (http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/09/was-communist-frank-marshall-davis.html) or Malcolm X (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/how-could-stanl.html#more). Crazy shit.

Why are you calling my websites crazy shit? I dont do that to you about yours now do I?

[Thebazile78]

I am so damn pleased that right now Palin can say anything and it just doesn't matter. What a relief that she won't be an old man's heartbeat away from the presidency. My wife told me that a British journalist has received leaked memos that show the level of McCain's contempt for her. She didn't have time to pass me the details but I will post them if interesting. It's obvious there wasn't much love between the McCains and the Palins on stage after the concession speech.

But .... but, they were both mavericks!!!!!

please god post the details or a link!!! PLEEEAASSEE?????

This is from yesterday's NY Times:

Internal Battles Divided McCain and Palin Camps (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/06/us/politics/06mccain.html) (Free online, subscription required; 11/5/08, "Politics" section, brief article)

Also, at Slate:

What's Next for Sarah Palin? (http://www.slate.com/id/2203913/) (posted 11/5/08; Christopher Beam)

And an earlier reference to the internal tensions:

Palin's Campaign vs McCain's: When Sarah Palin disagrees with John McCain, it means something. Or does it? (http://www.slate.com/id/2202658/) (posted 10/20/08; John Dickerson)

[Dougie Brootal]

This is from yesterday's NY Times:

Internal Battles Divided McCain and Palin Camps (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/06/us/politics/06mccain.html) (Free online, subscription required; 11/5/08, "Politics" section, brief article)

Also, at Slate:

What's Next for Sarah Palin? (http://www.slate.com/id/2203913/) (posted 11/5/08; Christopher Beam)

And an earlier reference to the internal tensions:

Palin's Campaign vs McCain's: When Sarah Palin disagrees with John McCain, it means something. Or does it? (http://www.slate.com/id/2202658/) (posted 10/20/08; John Dickerson)


many many thanks!!!:thumbup: i shall now shirk my responsibilities at work and read these articles rather than shirking my responsibilities at work and posting on this message board.

[AKA]

Make your plans early. (http://www.inauguraltickets.com/)

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/10/27/inauguration.jpg

Plenty of room at Mikeyboy's family's home.

[epo]

many many thanks!!!:thumbup: i shall now shirk my responsibilities at work and read these articles rather than shirking my responsibilities at work and posting on this message board.

Add this one to the mix: Newsweek article including these highlights:
(http://www.newsweek.com/id/167581/page/1)

An angry aide characterized the shopping spree as "Wasilla hillbillies looting Neiman Marcus from coast to coast," and said the truth will eventually come out when the Republican Party audits its books.

Palin asked to speak along with McCain at his Arizona concession speech Tuesday night, but campaign strategist Steve Schmidt vetoed the request.

[Dougie Brootal]

Add this one to the mix: Newsweek article including these highlights:
(http://www.newsweek.com/id/167581/page/1)

awesome!!! this is great!

[Zorro]

You know, I hate FOX most of the time (their morning show, Dick Morris, Juan Williams, The Beltway Boys, porn lover Brit Hume, cable access quality Mike Huckabee show, Karl Rove, useless Greta and Geraldo, Sean Hannity, Bill Kristol, Bill O'Reilly, the "liberals" they bring on as punching bags, Chris Wallace), but in the last couple of weeks Shep Smith (http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/sheppard-smith-blasts-joe-plumber-sayin) and Major Garrett (http://www.jossip.com/major-garrett-turns-on-fox-compatriots-in-support-of-obama-20081103/) stepped up, in two different instances.

Geraldo and Sheperd Smith were the ones on FOX who blasted people like O'Reilly about th Government response in Katrina, as it was happening.

Several months ago you also referred to Hume as a porn lover. Just curious...where does this come from? My mom watches his shit religously and I'd love to lay this on her, but can't find reference to this anywhere but here.

[Dougie Brootal]

Several months ago you also referred to Hume as a porn lover. Just curious...where does this come from? My mom watches his shit religously and I'd love to lay this on her, but can't find reference to this anywhere but here.

whats the matter with loving porn?

[King Hippos Bandaid]

a popular President throughout the world

is America going through a Face Turn

[Zorro]

I really hope there is an in-depth behind the scenes book about the McCain camp and the Palin selection.

While I'm guessing there will be..I always assumed it was just a hail mary pass and they usually don't work. Besides did anybody seriously think a republican had a shot?

The book I'm looking forward to is an analysis of the Clinton campaign. To me that's really the more interesting story. She went from presumptive nominee to be beaten by a relative unknown. It's one of the great political failures of all time.

[Don Stugots]

a popular President throughout the world

is America going through a Face Turn

Is it a roddy piper face turn or a paul onderdroff face turn?

[celery]

We'll stay 'tweeners for a while.

[Kevin]

Is it a roddy piper face turn or a paul onderdroff face turn?



Stone cold. We still wont give a shit and do what we want, but people will love us.

[celery]

This may have been the douchiest moment of the whole campaign:

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[HBox]

While I'm guessing there will be..I always assumed it was just a hail mary pass and they usually don't work. Besides did anybody seriously think a republican had a shot?

The book I'm looking forward to is an analysis of the Clinton campaign. To me that's really the more interesting story. She went from presumptive nominee to be beaten by a relative unknown. It's one of the great political failures of all time.

This is a good start. 3 pages detailing the disarray that was that campaign. (http://www.newsweek.com/id/167582/page/4)

[Dougie Brootal]

it would seem talent skips a generation...

http://sdstraighttalk.squarespace.com/storage/hank.jpg


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http://dirtjunior.com/HankIII080205/hank151.jpg

[epo]

And the staff is being built:

Chief of Staff: Rahm Emanuel
Press Secretary: Robert Gibbs

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Is it a roddy piper face turn or a paul onderdroff face turn?


Piper

just when the World had all the Answers....

America changed the questions....

[Dougie Brootal]

Piper

just when the World had all the Answers....

America changed the questions....

america came here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and because of the shitty economy, bubblegum has skyrocketed to ridiculous prices and america can no longer afford bubblegum and has now run out...

[Kevin]

america came here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and because of the shitty economy, bubblegum has skyrocketed to ridiculous prices and america can no longer afford bubblegum and has now run out...



Funny, Scot has pleanty of bubblegum. He gets it from Asia.

[Zorro]

This is a good start. 3 pages detailing the disarray that was that campaign. (http://www.newsweek.com/id/167582/page/4)

That's pretty good, but I'm looking for a Bob Woodward/Jame Stewart kind of forensic examination....

[AKA]

Good pick with Robert Gibbs - I bet Nicole Wallace (http://frum.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTA3MDY2NGE3ODFjYjViNjhlOGFkMWZiNzYwZWRmYjY=) is even more furious.

http://newsbusters.org/static/2008/02/2008-02-13-CBS-TES-Smith.jpg

Several months ago you also referred to Hume as a porn lover. Just curious...where does this come from? My mom watches his shit religously and I'd love to lay this on her, but can't find reference to this anywhere but here.

You won't be able to find it anywhere other than here, I'm guessing - and so, you can take it or leave it....let's just say I know "someone" who rented porn to a very impatient "Britton Hume" back in the early 1990s - and by "someone" i mean me. Of course, this doesn't make him a bad person - i just like calling him a "porn lover" because he's now Brit Hume of Fox News. It would be far less interesting for me if I called him "classic movie lover" or if he still worked at ABC as the White House correspondent. Odds are if he hadn't morphed into such a partisan prick, I would have forgotten about it.

(During my time there at the store I also rented Amos and Andy movies to Lee Atwater, just days before he died, westerns to Larry McMurtry - so, the real "take away" from this is that the real reasons video stores went out of business is because dicks like me, Kevin Smith and Quinton Tarentino kept tabs on customers, especially famous ones.

Curses NetFlix!

Brit was a very intimidating, son of a bitch, btw. He was particularly annoyed by the system in place to get the triple X videos (you basically had to ask some creep like me if one of the titles was in stock - some of his favorites, were not, so he had to go back to fishing).

For the record, I also adore pornography. Your mother doesn't need to know that, however.

[Dougie Brootal]

Funny, Scot has pleanty of bubblegum. He gets it from Asia.

and how is scot? i havent spoken to him since he left me for you.

[HBox]

Good pick with Robert Gibbs - I bet Nicole Wallace (http://frum.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTA3MDY2NGE3ODFjYjViNjhlOGFkMWZiNzYwZWRmYjY=) is even more furious.

Normally I wouldn't say this, but good for Nicolle Wallace. That pack of Alaskan grifters tried to pin that whole clothing mess on Wallace when they knew she couldn't defend herself. That they weren't thinking about all the stupid shit Palin was doing and thinking ahead to after the election when Wallace could gut her is absolutely no surprise now that we know Sarah Palin.

But that Newsweek feature is incredible. Tomorrow's chapter covers the conventions and the arrival of Palin. As good as it already is its gonna get better.

[Kevin]

and how is scot? i havent spoken to him since he left me for you.



Fantastic. Sorry about the whole thing. He just could not pass up my charm. We are lining up asian candidates as we speak.

[Dougie Brootal]

Fantastic. Sorry about the whole thing. He just could not pass up my charm. We are lining up asian candidates as we speak.

YOU BETTER TREAT HIM RIGHT!

[Jujubees2]

Nice read on Ann Nixon Cooper, the woman mentioned in Obama's speech.

106 year old honored by Obama 'ain't got time to die' (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/05/obama.centenarian.fan/index.html)

[mikeyboy]

Nice read on Ann Nixon Cooper, the woman mentioned in Obama's speech.

106 year old honored by Obama 'ain't got time to die' (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/05/obama.centenarian.fan/index.html)

You know, she looks pretty good for 106.

[Furtherman]

You know, she looks pretty good for 106.

I bet she's like, 16. Damn sneaky Chinese gymnasts.

[celery]

This may have been the douchiest moment of the whole campaign:

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it would seem talent skips a generation...

http://sdstraighttalk.squarespace.com/storage/hank.jpg



http://dirtjunior.com/HankIII080205/hank151.jpg

This old union's got problems.
That is plain to see.
The Democrats bankrupted Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, just like 1-2-3.
The bankers didn’t want to make all those bad loans.
But Bill Clinton said "you got to!"
Now they want to bail out.
What I'm talking about, is a democrat liberal hoodoo!

:thumbup:

[Dougie Brootal]

This old union's got problems.
That is plain to see.
The Democrats bankrupted Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, just like 1-2-3.
The bankers didn’t want to make all those bad loans.
But Bill Clinton said "you got to!"
Now they want to bail out.
What I'm talking about, is a democrat liberal hoodoo!

:thumbup:

are ya rrrrrrrrrready fer sum foot-ball!!!!!

[King Hippos Bandaid]

guess where the first racially motivated attack on a Black Obama voter was?

you guessed it Staten Island


I live amongst racist Italian Savages

my landlord said to my wife earlier "guess we are all forced to eat watermelon from now on"

such Old Italian fucking idiots


rant is over

[LordJezo]

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[brettmojo]

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I can't imagine the McCain counterpart to that...

Oh wait, yeah I can.

[Zorro]

Good pick with Robert Gibbs - I bet Nicole Wallace (http://frum.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTA3MDY2NGE3ODFjYjViNjhlOGFkMWZiNzYwZWRmYjY=) is even more furious.

http://newsbusters.org/static/2008/02/2008-02-13-CBS-TES-Smith.jpg



You won't be able to find it anywhere other than here, I'm guessing - and so, you can take it or leave it....let's just say I know "someone" who rented porn to a very impatient "Britton Hume" back in the early 1990s - and by "someone" i mean me. Of course, this doesn't make him a bad person - i just like calling him a "porn lover" because he's now Brit Hume of Fox News. It would be far less interesting for me if I called him "classic movie lover" or if he still worked at ABC as the White House correspondent. Odds are if he hadn't morphed into such a partisan prick, I would have forgotten about it.

(During my time there at the store I also rented Amos and Andy movies to Lee Atwater, just days before he died, westerns to Larry McMurtry - so, the real "take away" from this is that the real reasons video stores went out of business is because dicks like me, Kevin Smith and Quinton Tarentino kept tabs on customers, especially famous ones.

Curses NetFlix!

Brit was a very intimidating, son of a bitch, btw. He was particularly annoyed by the system in place to get the triple X videos (you basically had to ask some creep like me if one of the titles was in stock - some of his favorites, were not, so he had to go back to fishing).

For the record, I also adore pornography. Your mother doesn't need to know that, however.

I still do the "tourettes" loofa whenever she has O'reilly on. She's 77 and I don;t see her all that often, but if I call at six pm she rushes me off the phone because "Brit" is on.

[EliSnow]

my landlord said to my wife earlier "guess we are all forced to eat watermelon from now on"


Watermelon's a tasty fucking thing. He should a pick another cliche, like "guess we'll be forced to listen to rap music."

[keithy_19]

Here is a factor that you may not really think of Keithy.

Your generation doesn't think of race and that's a wonderful thing. Take your parent's generation (Baby Boomers) and above...and they lived in world in which they've seen great racial problems in our nation.

To you, Obama was a "candidate" and that's awesome. To your parents and grandparents, Obama was a "black candidate" which is a whole different world.

For that fact alone, last night was an amazing day in American history.

This is true.

And, although my generation doesn't face the problems of past generations involving race, I do realize the amazing thing that occured. I'm proud to think that my generation helped. And I'm incredibly honored to have lived to see this. I understand the scope. And although I personally didn't vote for him, he is my president and I don't have anything against calling him that. So God speed President Obama. Do your country right.

[epo]

Watermelon's a tasty fucking thing. He should a pick another cliche, like "guess we'll be forced to listen to rap music."


Exactly. Who doesn't love watermelon or fried chicken? They're fucking delicious.

[keithy_19]

Exactly. Who doesn't love watermelon or fried chicken? They're fucking delicious.

I'm not a big watermelon eater...and fried chicken upsets my stomach...

But I think Jungle Fever and Glory are incredible movies.

[LordJezo]

This is what the next 3 years is going to be...

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1262579,barack-obama-election-crimes-110508.article

"White bitches. F--- McCain. You white police can't do nothing," 19-year-old Celita Hart

"Obama, Obama," walked up to a squad car, and smacked a male officer in the face.

West Sider Narada Thomas, 23, told police he shot a .22-caliber revolver in the air to "celebrate Obama becoming president," Scaduto said. And 37-year-old Andre Murph, of Aurora, shot a 9mm into the ground several times in the 700 block of West 60th Place to express his joy, Scaduto said.

While Kenneth Smith, a 24-year- old felon, never stated why he fired three rounds at his residence, in the 6700 block of South Ada Street, he complained that officers only arrested him "because a black man won for president," Scaduto said.

Peer pressure seemed to get the better of 54-year-old Joseph Morgan, who allegedly was caught holding a .22-caliber gun in the air on his back porch in the 5700 block of South Lowe Avenue.

His excuse, according to prosecutors?

"Everybody else is shooting their guns, I figured, 'Why not?' "

[epo]

I never thought I'd have to do this.....but LordJezo needs to be ignored.

[KnoxHarrington]

Exactly. Who doesn't love watermelon or fried chicken? They're fucking delicious.

I'm actually not much on watermelon, but I'll drink the hell out of grape soda.

(Though I must admit I had no idea that was a stereotypical black food/beverage until they mentioned it on the show.)

[britneypablo]

Fried Chicken gives you stretch marks and Watermelon makes my pee the bed

[LordJezo]

I never thought I'd have to do this.....but LordJezo needs to be ignored.

Why? Because I am posting what is going on in the world and the Barack supporters turn a blind eye to these almost race wars going on because of him?

[razorboy]

Why? Because I am posting what is going on in the world and the Barack supporters turn a blind eye to these almost race wars going on because of him?

That's what constitutes almost race wars? That? Like that same shit didn't happen in rural bumfuck both times Dubya was elected? I'd like to think you can't be that dumb but I'm beginning to have my doubts.

[keithy_19]

That's what constitutes almost race wars? That? Like that same shit didn't happen in rural bumfuck both times Dubya was elected? I'd like to think you can't be that dumb but I'm beginning to have my doubts.

I think the point he should be trying to make is that when it occured in "rural bumfuck" people brought it up and condoned it. I think people should condone any acts of stupidity, but sides of the aisle.

[mikeyboy]

That's what constitutes almost race wars? That? Like that same shit didn't happen in rural bumfuck both times Dubya was elected? I'd like to think you can't be that dumb but I'm beginning to have my doubts.

It's a bit. He's just looking for a reaction.

First, he was the really conseravative guy. He didn't get that much reaction.

Then he was the gay guy obsessed with sheepy and eventually people stopped caring.

Now he's back to being this ultra conservative guy saying ridiculous shit because he wants a reaction.

Go away.

[Jujubees2]

I never thought I'd have to do this.....but LordJezo needs to be ignored.

Who is this LordJezo you speak of? I've never heard of it.

[keithy_19]

Go away.

Can I stay?

[Jujubees2]

Can I stay?

Only if you eat some watermelon and fried chicken.

[keithy_19]

I'm not a big fan of either though...Can I just watch reruns of various Monique programs?

[LordJezo]

That's what constitutes almost race wars? That? Like that same shit didn't happen in rural bumfuck both times Dubya was elected? I'd like to think you can't be that dumb but I'm beginning to have my doubts.

When W was elected I don't remember stories of white folks going out and beating blacks and chanting racial slurs like this story has of blacks doing against white police.

[keithy_19]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/11/07/article-1083501-02622771000005DC-245_468x691.jpg
He looks pretty fucking cool in this picture. Will Smith as our president.

[IMSlacker]

When W was elected I don't remember stories of white folks going out and beating blacks and chanting racial slurs like this story has of blacks doing against white police.

Maybe not, but how about this story (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2008/11/05/2008-11-05_gang_angry_at_barack_obama_win_beat_me_s-1.html)?


Ali Kamara, 17, was walking home when four white men leaped from a gold car and started kicking him and smashing him with a baseball bat at about 10 p.m. near his Staten Island home.

"I see the car coming. They looked at me and said, 'Obama!' They were not happy. They had hoodies on. They started hitting me with bats and my body started vibrating," said the Curtis High School, S.I., student.

[AKA]

And although I personally didn't vote for him, he is my president and I don't have anything against calling him that. So God speed President Obama. Do your country right.

I've heard that from a lot of friends of mine who didn't vote for Obama - after the last 16 years, it's almost music to my ears. It's a wonderful, quantum leap forward to the past when people voted for who they wanted and then honored the one who was elected.

[TheMojoPin]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/11/07/article-1083501-02622771000005DC-245_468x691.jpg
He looks pretty fucking cool in this picture. Will Smith as our president.

That Sox hat might as well be stabbing me in the heart.

[epo]

That Sox hat might as well be stabbing me in the heart.

At least he's not a phony about it:

http://mediamatters.org/static/images/item/clinton-baseball_caps.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

At least he's not a phony about it:

http://mediamatters.org/static/images/item/clinton-baseball_caps.jpg

Gah, STOP IT.

[thejives]

Anyone applying for a job (http://www.change.gov/) in the new, awesome administration?

[JerseySean]

And the staff is being built:

Chief of Staff: Rahm Emanuel


Huge mistake....Huge, he needs Rahm on the Hill. If any of you are interested in Rahm, there is a great book

http://www.amazon.com/Thumpin-Democrats-Ruthless-Republican-Revolution/dp/0385523289

[epo]

Huge mistake....Huge, he needs Rahm on the Hill. If any of you are interested in Rahm, there is a great book

http://www.amazon.com/Thumpin-Democrats-Ruthless-Republican-Revolution/dp/0385523289

Rahm is valuable anywhere you put him. Let's face it, as Chief of Staff he will be a great asset to the new president and will make sure that shit runs properly & according to plan.

[JerseySean]

Rahm is valuable anywhere you put him. Let's face it, as Chief of Staff he will be a great asset to the new president and will make sure that shit runs properly & according to plan.

Agreed.....personality not consistant with bipartisanship like Obama promised and he needs him on the Hill to keep Pelosi and the Dem caucus in check. Have you read that book epo?

[epo]

Agreed.....personality not consistant with bipartisanship like Obama promised and he needs him on the Hill to keep Pelosi and the Dem caucus in check. Have you read that book epo?

Actually I haven't read the book.

The one thing that I'll give Rahm is that he's a "good solider" and will do as told. So if Obama wants bi-partisanship, Rahm will do his best to deliver. The man does know Washington very, very well.

[JerseySean]

Actually I haven't read the book.

The one thing that I'll give Rahm is that he's a "good solider" and will do as told. So if Obama wants bi-partisanship, Rahm will do his best to deliver. The man does know Washington very, very well.

Dude, buy the book. Send me a report on it in a week. You'll love it. I have a new found respect for Rahm after I read that. But.....for COS in a post partisan Presidency, it wont work. He needs to be in the House to keep Pelosi in check.

[Dougie Brootal]

Watermelon makes me pee the bed

and you have never been hotter:wub:

[JerseySean]

Actually I haven't read the book.

The one thing that I'll give Rahm is that he's a "good solider" and will do as told. So if Obama wants bi-partisanship, Rahm will do his best to deliver. The man does know Washington very, very well.

Swear on my life I just clicked this a second ago....

President-elect Barack Obama’s selection of Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.) as his White House chief of staff is the latest demonstration of a quality Obama showed repeatedly over the course of his campaign: He’s willing to do what it takes to win.

If his goal had been to create a cordial bipartisan tone in Washington — much less a calm, profanity-free West Wing — Obama would have looked elsewhere.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15388.html

I am all for this if you are a Democrat looking to pass an agenda, but throw the bi-partisanship out the window.

[JerseySean]

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/758623.html

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/06/report-08-turnout-same-or-only-slightly-higher-than-04/

Not the sizemic shift. Youth vote increased in numbers by 10% and voter for Obama at a a 9% higher rate than for Kerry.

Obama flipped 9 states.

In 2000, Bush flipped 10.

In 1992, Clinton flipped 19

Turnout wasnt much higher than 2004. Maybe 1%.

Black turnout was 2% higher. Obama has reached the max on black votes. Only down to go from here.

Not really the huge shift in the map. It was a nice little win, but not a game changer. this was Clinton 92, with less of a mandate for change. In 92', people voted against the Republicans at the rate of 63%. this time it was 57%. This was a nice little win....not a game changer.

[foodcourtdruide]

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/758623.html

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/06/report-08-turnout-same-or-only-slightly-higher-than-04/

Not the sizemic shift. Youth vote increased in numbers by 10% and voter for Obama at a a 9% higher rate than for Kerry.

Obama flipped 9 states.

In 2000, Bush flipped 10.

Turnout wasnt much higher than 2004. Maybe 1%.

Black turnout was 2% higher. Obama has reached the max on black votes. Only down to go from here.

Not really the huge shift in the map. It was a nice little win, but not a game changer.

Yeah, minor win for the democrats. It's barely even been on the news.

[JerseySean]

Yeah, minor win for the democrats. It's barely even been on the news.

Look at the data. Not a map or game changer.

[foodcourtdruide]

Look at the data. Not a map or game changer.

Flipping 9 states is not a game changer?

[JerseySean]

Flipping 9 states is not a game changer?

No, it happens all the time. Clinton flipped 19, Bush 43 flipped 10

[foodcourtdruide]

No, it happens all the time. Clinton flipped 19, Bush 43 flipped 10

Bush 43 completely changed the game! The republicans had control of congress and executive for 6 years after 2000! That's a game changer !

[JerseySean]

Bush 43 completely changed the game! The republicans had control of congress and executive for 6 years after 2000! That's a game changer !

Yes but not with his electoral map. They already had the house and didnt take the Senate until 2002.

[foodcourtdruide]

Yes but not with his electoral map. They already had the house and didnt take the Senate until 2002.

I think the 9 state flip was indicative of the country wanting to go in a new direction, hence republican dominance in early 2000.

I don't know what you mean by game changer. When do you think there's been a game changer if Bush 43 didn't change the game and Obama didnt?

[JerseySean]

I think the 9 state flip was indicative of the country wanting to go in a new direction, hence republican dominance in early 2000.

I don't know what you mean by game changer. When do you think there's been a game changer if Bush 43 didn't change the game and Obama didnt?

Nixon 68
Reagan 80
roosevelt 36

[foodcourtdruide]

Nixon 68
Reagan 80
roosevelt 36

Nixon 68 - Didn't Nixon have a dem legislative majority while in office?

[JerseySean]

Nixon 68 - Didn't Nixon have a dem legislative majority while in office?

Yes. The congressional map was very different at the time. You had EXTREME liberal holdovers in the midwest from the 40's in congress. It was a different type of congress back them. Obama didnt create a majority, he inherited one. As far as I can tell from looking at different numbers, Obama didnt have coattails in major races. He made a difference in some, sure. But the overvotes for Obama are ridiculous. Blacks and young people didnt go down ballot. I had some clients in college downs and places with black districts and they didnt get hurt that badly.

[foodcourtdruide]

Yes. The congressional map was very different at the time. You had EXTREME liberal holdovers in the midwest from the 40's in congress. It was a different type of congress back them. Obama didnt create a majority, he inherited one. As far as I can tell from looking at different numbers, Obama didnt have coattails in major races. He made a difference in some, sure. But the overvotes for Obama are ridiculous. Blacks and young people didnt go down ballot. I had some clients in college downs and places with black districts and they didnt get hurt that badly.

I guess time shall tell, we'll get a better indication in 2010. But I think it may be wishful thinking to downplay this win, especially if the country begins to turn around, regardless of who is responsible.

[LordJezo]

Maybe not, but how about this story (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2008/11/05/2008-11-05_gang_angry_at_barack_obama_win_beat_me_s-1.html)?

That is terrible as well, but what is also terrible that it is being called a hate crime while the example I posted is simply a celebration.

I think the problem is that most of the people on this board do not see the right wing fear that I witness almost every day because of this election, people are terrified more so than I have ever seen before. You folks are insulated from the terror that is spreading throughout the country.

A guy I know is LA has been telling me about rumors of Obama death squads and tolerance police. A friend's inlaws are telling their daughter to enjoy her dinners now because come January she will no longer be able to eat. People I know in the hunting community are convinced Obama is going to come and take away all of their guns and a letter I just got in the mail from the NRA tells me the same thing. A good friend of mine who works in the public school system says he has heard people walking in the hallways talking about how they don't think there will ever be another election because Obama will never leave office.

It's scary out there for us. We have a target on our heads that wont go away for a very long time.

[IMSlacker]

That is terrible as well, but what is also terrible that it is being called a hate crime while the example I posted is simply a celebration.

I think the problem is that most of the people on this board do not see the right wing fear that I witness almost every day because of this election, people are terrified more so than I have ever seen before. You folks are insulated from the terror that is spreading throughout the country.

A guy I know is LA has been telling me about rumors of Obama death squads and tolerance police. A friend's inlaws are telling their daughter to enjoy her dinners now because come January she will no longer be able to eat. People I know in the hunting community are convinced Obama is going to come and take away all of their guns and a letter I just got in the mail from the NRA tells me the same thing. A good friend of mine who works in the public school system says he has heard people walking in the hallways talking about how they don't think there will ever be another election because Obama will never leave office.

It's scary out there for us. We have a target on our heads that wont go away for a very long time.

good luck bro.

[yojimbo7248]

That is terrible as well, but what is also terrible that it is being called a hate crime while the example I posted is simply a celebration.

I think the problem is that most of the people on this board do not see the right wing fear that I witness almost every day because of this election, people are terrified more so than I have ever seen before. You folks are insulated from the terror that is spreading throughout the country.

A guy I know is LA has been telling me about rumors of Obama death squads and tolerance police. A friend's inlaws are telling their daughter to enjoy her dinners now because come January she will no longer be able to eat. People I know in the hunting community are convinced Obama is going to come and take away all of their guns and a letter I just got in the mail from the NRA tells me the same thing. A good friend of mine who works in the public school system says he has heard people walking in the hallways talking about how they don't think there will ever be another election because Obama will never leave office.

It's scary out there for us. We have a target on our heads that wont go away for a very long time.

Sounds like the wisest thing to do is arm yourself to the teeth, move to mountains, and start working on that manifesto.

[LordJezo]

Sounds like the wisest thing to do is arm yourself to the teeth, move to mountains, and start working on that manifesto.

Hell yeah.

I am applying for a handgun permit next month. I need to get one to get it grandfathered in before the new administration bans them. I already have a shotgun but I need something portable and light.

[A.J.]

Anyone applying for a job (http://www.change.gov/) in the new, awesome administration?

Looks like I'll be working on another transition process.

[Jujubees2]

That is terrible as well, but what is also terrible that it is being called a hate crime while the example I posted is simply a celebration.

I think the problem is that most of the people on this board do not see the right wing fear that I witness almost every day because of this election, people are terrified more so than I have ever seen before. You folks are insulated from the terror that is spreading throughout the country.

A guy I know is LA has been telling me about rumors of Obama death squads and tolerance police. A friend's inlaws are telling their daughter to enjoy her dinners now because come January she will no longer be able to eat. People I know in the hunting community are convinced Obama is going to come and take away all of their guns and a letter I just got in the mail from the NRA tells me the same thing. A good friend of mine who works in the public school system says he has heard people walking in the hallways talking about how they don't think there will ever be another election because Obama will never leave office.

It's scary out there for us. We have a target on our heads that wont go away for a very long time.

Move to Ciceu, Transylvania, Romania with Frietag. All you have to worry about there are the werewolves.

[angrymissy]

That is terrible as well, but what is also terrible that it is being called a hate crime while the example I posted is simply a celebration.

I think the problem is that most of the people on this board do not see the right wing fear that I witness almost every day because of this election, people are terrified more so than I have ever seen before. You folks are insulated from the terror that is spreading throughout the country.

A guy I know is LA has been telling me about rumors of Obama death squads and tolerance police. A friend's inlaws are telling their daughter to enjoy her dinners now because come January she will no longer be able to eat. People I know in the hunting community are convinced Obama is going to come and take away all of their guns and a letter I just got in the mail from the NRA tells me the same thing. A good friend of mine who works in the public school system says he has heard people walking in the hallways talking about how they don't think there will ever be another election because Obama will never leave office.

It's scary out there for us. We have a target on our heads that wont go away for a very long time.

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/tin_foil.jpg

[LordJezo]

He's going to take away the abilities for the law enforcement to do their job.

http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/civil_rights/#racial-profiling

End Racial Profiling

Obama and Biden will ban racial profiling by federal law enforcement agencies and provide federal incentives to state and local police departments to prohibit the practice.

Sickening.

A guy came into work just now who has been off for the past few days, sick from the election results, word on the street now is that the economic collapse will begin in March paving the way for the North American Union and the removal of the dollar as our currency which will be replaced by The Amero, the north American currency.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amero

America as it is now is limited in years, our sovereignty will be dissolved and we will be forced into the world community.

[angrymissy]

You sure know some wacky people. You should watch last weeks South Park.

Personally, I think you're full of shit.

[Hottub]

I love people using wikipedia as a source. Gives their argument so much credibility. I personally like the Weekly World News.

[Jujubees2]

He's going to take away the abilities for the law enforcement to do their job.

http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/civil_rights/#racial-profiling



Sickening.

A guy came into work just now who has been off for the past few days, sick from the election results, word on the street now is that the economic collapse will begin in March paving the way for the North American Union and the removal of the dollar as our currency which will be replaced by The Amero, the north American currency.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amero

America as it is now is limited in years, our sovereignty will be dissolved and we will be forced into the world community.

http://www.popsci.com/files/imagecache/article_image_large/files/articles/foilhats_400.jpg

[EliSnow]

That is terrible as well, but what is also terrible that it is being called a hate crime while the example I posted is simply a celebration.

I think the problem is that most of the people on this board do not see the right wing fear that I witness almost every day because of this election, people are terrified more so than I have ever seen before. You folks are insulated from the terror that is spreading throughout the country.

A guy I know is LA has been telling me about rumors of Obama death squads and tolerance police. A friend's inlaws are telling their daughter to enjoy her dinners now because come January she will no longer be able to eat. People I know in the hunting community are convinced Obama is going to come and take away all of their guns and a letter I just got in the mail from the NRA tells me the same thing. A good friend of mine who works in the public school system says he has heard people walking in the hallways talking about how they don't think there will ever be another election because Obama will never leave office.

It's scary out there for us. We have a target on our heads that wont go away for a very long time.

So based on rumors and groundless fears, America is going to end.

The people you are talking to are idiots. There are no deaths squads or tolerance police. Moron, Obama's not even in office, and Fox would be reporting on it.

Morons, morons, morons. And your bit sucks.

[brettmojo]

So based on rumors and groundless fears, America is going to end.

The people you are talking to are idiots. There are no deaths squads or tolerance police. Moron, Obama's not even in office, and Fox would be reporting on it.

Morons, morons, morons. And your bit sucks.
x2.

[Syd]

He's going to take away the abilities for the law enforcement to do their job.

http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/civil_rights/#racial-profiling


Their job is to recognize threats, not skin color. There have been plenty of examples of fine upstanding whitefolk committing crimes and police should be proactive not reactive.

A guy came into work just now who has been off for the past few days, sick from the election results, word on the street now is that the economic collapse will begin in March paving the way for the North American Union and the removal of the dollar as our currency which will be replaced by The Amero, the north American currency.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amero

America as it is now is limited in years, our sovereignty will be dissolved and we will be forced into the world community.

We are in a world community. America is held up by countries full of non-whitefolk who own significant portions of our debt. The difference between the dollar being the currency and the amero is only cosmetic if you think about it. Which, all you truthers should -- the NAU conspiracy is probably my favorite comedy writing to read nowadays.

[Zorro]

I love people using wikipedia as a source. Gives their argument so much credibility. I personally like the Weekly World News.

Me...my go to place is RonFez.net

[foodcourtdruide]

So based on rumors and groundless fears, America is going to end.

The people you are talking to are idiots. There are no deaths squads or tolerance police. Moron, Obama's not even in office, and Fox would be reporting on it.

Morons, morons, morons. And your bit sucks.

I think it has to be a bit. He really thinks Obama will establish death squads? That is batshit insane.

[LordJezo]

New President is already putting criminals in office.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6201900&page=1

Also talking now about raising minimum wage to over $9 an hour. That is going to devastate the economy. Make everyone else money worth less, inflation will be rampant.


You sure know some wacky people. You should watch last weeks South Park.

Personally, I think you're full of shit.


How am I full of shit? Just because I am not following the liberal line and drinking the liberal kool aid? America is scared right now, small pockets of left wing elitism like this website do not represent all of the usa.

[EliSnow]

How am I full of shit? Just because I am not following the liberal line and drinking the liberal kool aid? America is scared right now, small pockets of left wing elitism like this website do not represent all of the usa.

You're full of shit because you are citing ridiculous rumors of death squads, Obama never leaving office, etc. and he is not even in fucking office!!! You cite shit that has no proof or is from a website that any person can edit.

FoxNews isn't following the liberal line and drinking the Kool Aid and they are not reporting this ridiculous shit.

America isn't scared right now. Small pockets of idiots may be scared, but America isn't. Remember, 52% of America voted for Obama, and while the remainder may not have, many of them weren't doing it because they were scared, but because they didn't agree with his policies. It doesn't mean they are scared that America will become a dictatorship.

[Syd]

New President is already putting criminals in office.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6201900&page=1

Alaska just elected a convicted felon, so it's not out of the norm.

Also talking now about raising minimum wage to over $9 an hour. That is going to devastate the economy. Make everyone else money worth less, inflation will be rampant.

A) $9 is barely living wage
B) We're experiencing some pretty rapid deflation and I don't think Bernanke lowering rates will be enough to curb it. If the common myth that raising minimum wage increases inflation were to be true it would be a very good thing at this time.

How am I full of shit? Just because I am not following the liberal line and drinking the liberal kool aid? America is scared right now, small pockets of left wing elitism like this website do not represent all of the usa.

It represents at least 65m people, boyo