Lost: The Final Season - Destiny Found

[K.C.]

except we don't know the effect of detonating Jughead on them.
it made Jack/Sawyer and group leap back to current time- we don't know what it did or didn't do to Bernard & Rose.

There's no real reason to believe they didn't jump back. They jumped every other time the island skipped.

I would buy something like "Jacob's touch brought them back to the present," but Jacob didn't visit Juliet or Miles and they both jumped back.

The bigger question is why did no one else on the island jump? Electro-magnetism from being in the hatch all that time exposed the Losties to it? If that's the case than why did Charlotte and Miles jump...they never were in the hatch.

There's no real explanation to that phenomenon as of yet (and likely not one coming). I'm fine with leaving like that, but it's one of the many interesting questions.

[K.C.]

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[Fallon]

Awesome!

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[disneyspy]

Awesome!

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[paulisded]

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Any use of the Pixies is fine with me.

[disneyspy]

i'm so sick of cuse and lindeloff,i'm glad this is almost over so i dont have to ever see them again

[Dan 'Hampton]

People thought that after Nash Bridges.

[paulisded]

Yeah, this recap episode is crap. They're all a bit too full of themselves.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Don't you love the stupid messages?

[Kevin]

Any use of the Pixies is fine with me.

Man

Claire was so much hotter back then.

WTF happened to her.

[Dell]

Man

Claire was so much hotter back then.

WTF happened to her.

aging...still very hot...

[disneyspy]

Man

Claire was so much hotter back then.

WTF happened to her.
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my guess is she hit 30,i went to look at her age but this is the mesage i got

[Kevin]

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my guess is she hit 30,i went to look at her age but this is the mesage i got

She is 29 now.

So she was 23 when it started..

Its not that big a diff, but you could be right

[Dan 'Hampton]

The hatch was the best!

[Kevin]

aging...still very hot...

I guess it because they either show her preggers or filthy now.

But her face is diff too, mch puffier and stuff.

[K.C.]

Gotta admit, the Target/Lost themed commercials tonight are pretty great.

[Dell]

Gotta admit, the Target/Lost themed commercials tonight are pretty great.

sounds like that wouldn't be a regional commercial, but I don't recall seeing any of them...

[Kevin]

Alight calm down.

This is not that big a deal.

These guys are making it look like every scene and clip is earth changing

Stop it.

[hammersavage]

Predictions for ratings for the finale?

Ill say 20 mil

[Kevin]

Predictions for ratings for the finale?

Ill say 20 mil

What did Mash and Seinfeld get?

[brettmojo]

Predictions for ratings for the finale?

Ill say 20 mil
Probably about 15-18 million tops.

[Dell]

Predictions for ratings for the finale?

Ill say 20 mil

I say $1 Bob...

[K.C.]

sounds like that wouldn't be a regional commercial, but I don't recall seeing any of them...


There were a couple at the beginning of the clip show...they're like
short 10 second clips...but they haven't shown any in a while...not
sure if there are anymore.

[hammersavage]

What did Mash and Seinfeld get?



105 and 76 respectively

[Kevin]

105 and 76 respectively

Yea...

My prediction is..

Lost won't go near any of those....

[LordJezo]

Wow.

Dog.

[hammersavage]

If they follow the paw prints, I'm turning off my tv

[PD]

3 character returns.:clap:

[hammersavage]

Hahaha. Wow

[HBox]

Why couldn't he kill them? And make it hurt. A lot.

The rest of the finale could have been a snuff film of him torturing and murdering them and it would have been the best finale in the history of TV.

[LordJezo]

Predictions on if this finale is going to make people angrier than Sopranos?

[Kevin]

Predictions on if this finale is going to make people angrier than Sopranos?

I bet the gym will be intense tomorrow...

[LordJezo]

I bet the gym will be intense tomorrow...

Because of this stupid show not ending until 1130 I am going to be too tired to really put in much of a workout.

[LordJezo]

Oh Shit He's Not Dead!!!!!!!!!!!

[K.C.]

best Jack scene ever

[JDE]

greatest first half hour ever, if it continues this good, holy shit.

[Dell]

if Jack kills island Lock by killing patient Lock, I'm going to be pissed...too many people predicted that...

[hammersavage]

best Jack scene ever



Ewww.


And I hate Boone and Shannon

[K.C.]

Ewww.


And I hate Boone and Shannon



shut up....red....neck......man

[Dell]

GAWD...no wonder it's 150 minute finale, 100 minutes of commercials...

[Pitdoc]

About 10 minutes of show to 9 minutes of commercials?

[PD]

I loved the little comments too like
"Jack, you? that was too obvious"

yeah, I was wrong on Lapidus- i should have followed the "if you don't see the body" rule.

[hammersavage]

Juliet looks bangin

[Kevin]

Juliet looks bangin

Yea, fantastic.

that dress makes her rack look great.

[hammersavage]

I knew at some point Locke would become killable but it was still a cool reveal

[LordJezo]

Where the hell is Lance Reddick?

[Dell]

Juliet looks bangin

no doubt...one beautiful blond...

[paulisded]

Well, now we know the secret of Jack's cuts.

[booster11373]

While still annoyed about all the "magic" Its has been good so far

[Dell]

I guess I'm enjoying the show so much that it seems like it is no time before the next commercial break...miss recording it and watching without commercials (couldn't stay awake that long tonight)...

[JDE]

fuck only one hour left:(

[K.C.]

Jesus Christ, it only took her 150 episodes to choose...

[booster11373]

They are not going to kill Hurley so Jack will save the island

[Kevin]

The Target Ads are awesome.

[booster11373]

There has got to be a swerve coming

[K.C.]

Kate will be Jack's trigger...that should
be obvious at this point, I guess (well, it
still could be Locke).

[paulisded]

Kate does look nice in that little black dress.

[hammersavage]

High heels are a great thing

[Kevin]

Kate looks banging in that dress.

[Kevin]

jack protected the island less than one hour!!!!

What a fucking BUM

[TooCute]

I feel like I'm being duped.
I keep feeling like yay, answers...
but then it's like wait, wait wtf... this answers NOTHING.

[underdog]

I loved the little comments too like
"Jack, you? that was too obvious"

I laughed at that.

I'm loving this finale so far. They've completely gone back to the character driven story and it's great.

Loved the way Jack kicked Locke off the cliff.

[Dell]

Kate does look nice in that little black dress.

she should NEVER cover those legs...a thing of beauty...

[TooCute]

wtf... who the fuck were dharma I don't get this at all did I miss something somewhere? and the others? and the army people? I'm so confused.

I hate you lost.

[hammersavage]

A retards snowglobe?!?? Booooo

[TooCute]

and libby was she psycho or what?

[TooCute]

And WHY DID THEY GO TO THE ISLAND
wtf why is there an island wtf the whole point of ALL THAT SHIT that happened on teh island was so they could all like meet each other? I am not getting it someone explain it to me please?


WORST SHOW EVER

[TooCute]

What were ending with the opening scene GAY

[TooCute]

gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay

[TooLowBrow]

so it was all fake?

[K.C.]

the sideways was the after-life, the island was real.

what's to explain?

[underdog]

Great finale and great way to end the show. Vincent coming up to Jack while he lay in the bamboo field and Jack closing his eye was the perfect way for this show to end.

[HBox]

That was so much better than I thought it would be.

That being said, WHO THE FUCK DID SAWYER SHOOT ON THE BOAT?

[Kevin]

I


Have


WASTED SIX YEARS OF MY LIFE WATCHING THIS!

This is the worst season Finale in the HISTORY of seson finales.


FUCK YOU LOST

AND FUCK THOSE 2 FAGGOT HACK WRITERS.

[dino_electropolis]

I'll need some clarification on this thing, but what a great episode, and a fantastic show.

Thanks for the good times, LOST!

[TooCute]

The island wasn't real, the plane was all crashed and shit and everyone was dead. plus there aren't smoke monsters and shit in real life. lame.

[underdog]

That being said, WHO THE FUCK DID SAWYER SHOOT ON THE BOAT?

haha - Damon and Carlton specifically said they'd never tell.

[Dan 'Hampton]

I enjoyed it. They could have done a lot worse.

[TooCute]

I'm with Kevin.

That sucked BALLS.

I knew it would though, I mean they never actually answer anything or have a point anyway so why would they start now?

[The Jays]

That's not it at all.

[K.C.]

The island wasn't real, the plane was all crashed and shit and everyone was dead. plus there aren't smoke monsters and shit in real life. lame.

Sure it was.

That's how they knew each other.

[dino_electropolis]

in essence, i think jack was the christ figure, the redeemer, whose sacrifice got them out of limbo and into eternity.



Doesnt explain the fkn numbers though!

[JDE]

the sideways was the after-life, the island was real.

what's to explain?


I get that, and they created it so they could all be together, and it took them to be together to realize where they were, okay so far I am good.

One thing, what the heck was David all about?


I get everything, but why the kid.

I loved the episode, the last 7 minutes was a little confusing.


So some of them get off the island, but Hurley and Ben create this place so they can meet again and move on to the afterlife.

So I am guessing this is what Kate meant when she told Jack I have missed you for so long.

[TooCute]

and even if so WHY who cares? for like what, 20 people... stupid jacob was protectoing the isladn for a gazillion years? and how did it end up sunk?

[booster11373]

Its was good but I need to digest it.

[HBox]

I'm with Kevin.

That sucked BALLS.

I knew it would though, I mean they never actually answer anything or have a point anyway so why would they start now?

What did you want, a satisfying end to these characters journeys or a sober explanation of every tiny little thing that ever happened?

[LordJezo]

f u ginafromhoboken.

[dereckfishboy]

Theories on why jack and juliet have an imaginary sideways kid?

[underdog]

Doesnt explain the fkn numbers though!

There's an explanation for the numbers.

[TooCute]

jack didn't sacrafice jack shit (ha ha see what I did there) he stuck a stone in a hole. he didn't even die.

[Tall_James]

Awful. Simply awful. :wallbash:

[TooLowBrow]

I get that, and they created it so they could all be together, and it took them to be together to realize where they were, okay so far I am good.

One thing, what the heck was David all about?


I get everything, but why the kid.

I loved the episode, the last 7 minutes was a little confusing.


So some of them get off the island, but Hurley and Ben create this place so they can meet again and move on to the afterlife.

So I am guessing this is what Kate meant when she told Jack I have missed you for so long.

cause the kid was dead too!

claires baby also!

[HBox]

and even if so WHY who cares? for like what, 20 people... stupid jacob was protectoing the isladn for a gazillion years? and how did it end up sunk?

The ISLAND was the real part, the LAX part was the afterlife. I have no clue how anybody could come to any other conclusion. Christian explained it as clear as possible without actually saying "THIS IS THE AFTERLIFE STUPID."

[TooCute]

HBox, that answered NOTHING

[Tenbatsuzen]

What did you want, a satisfying end to these characters journeys or a sober explanation of every tiny little thing that ever happened?

http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/95202850/14324337

[dino_electropolis]

What i cant resolve, is if the island was real, and they all died in the crash, why werent Walt and michael at the church?

[K.C.]

I get that, and they created it so they could all be together, and it took them to be together to realize where they were, okay so far I am good.

One thing, what the heck was David all about?


I get everything, but why the kid.

I loved the episode, the last 7 minutes was a little confusing.


So some of them get off the island, but Hurley and Ben create this place so they can meet again and move on to the afterlife.

So I am guessing this is what Kate meant when she told Jack I have missed you for so long.

No idea what David was about.

But yeah, basically, the plane leaves...Sawyer, Kate, Miles, Frank, Richard, Claire go home and live lives.

Hurley and Ben run the island.

Jack dies right there in the field.

How the Sideways exists...that's open-ended, but yes, when Kate says she's been waiting so long for him, that's why.

Everything that happened, happened.

[TooLowBrow]

the sideways was the after-life, the island was real.

what's to explain?

the island wasnt real, they all died on crash landing, except for jack who walked a bit, then died

[dino_electropolis]

jack didn't sacrafice jack shit (ha ha see what I did there) he stuck a stone in a hole. he didn't even die.

yeah, i think bleeding on the jungle floor and the closing eyelid means he died.

[Tenbatsuzen]

On CHannel 6 news in Philly, the reporter at a live Lost viewing party reports, "the mood in the room is that of confusion... and dissatisfaction."

[underdog]

What i cant resolve, is if the island was real, and they all died in the crash, why werent Walt and michael at the church?

They didn't all die in the crash.

[HBox]

http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/95202850/14324337

Don't even bring up that horseshit show. They did explain everything.... in about as lazy and nonsensical a way as possible.

[K.C.]

cause the kid was dead too!

claires baby also!

Everyone dies eventually.

[TooCute]

I thought that was the whole point of the very last scene. Big airplane crash. Nobody running around. They were all dead, dead, dead. Not doing all this stupid fighting a smoke monster and seeing Jacob who has been on the island for a gazillion years and so on and so forth

[underdog]

the island wasnt real, they all died on crash landing, except for jack who walked a bit, then died

I took the ending much differently than that.

[K.C.]

They didn't all die in the crash.

None of the survivors died in the crash. I don't understand how anyone comes to that conclusion.

[Dan 'Hampton]

What i cant resolve, is if the island was real, and they all died in the crash, why werent Walt and michael at the church?

I thought I saw michael and stunt small black child.

[dino_electropolis]

They didn't all die in the crash.

Well, then, since you got it figured it, how about some answers.....

[AnnoyedGrunt]

the island wasnt real, they all died on crash landing, except for jack who walked a bit, then died

How did he have the time to change out of his suit in to a blue shirt?

[dino_electropolis]

None of the survivors died in the crash. I don't understand how anyone comes to that conclusion.

well, sure....survivors wouldnt die.....thats why their called survivors.:happy:

[underdog]

None of the survivors died in the crash. I don't understand how anyone comes to that conclusion.

I came to the same conclusion as you, but I can understand people taking the other side now. Especially since they showed all the debris just sitting on the beach with no one running around at the end.

Of course, there were no bodies there, either.

[TooLowBrow]

Everyone dies eventually.

they all, ben, juliet, the losties, died in the plane crash. the rest was made up, except the sidways was like purgatory. then they went into heaven, except ben who decided to stay back and be a ghost

[underdog]

Well, then, since you got it figured it, how about some answers.....

Read K.C.'s posts. He swears less and is smarter than me.

[K.C.]

I came to the same conclusion as you, but I can understand people taking the other side now. Especially since they showed all the debris just sitting on the beach with no one running around at the end.

Of course, there were no bodies there, either.

Because debris on the beach apparently equals "It was all fake," negating the entire 150 minutes of the episode.

[Tall_James]

Everyone dies eventually.

"There is no now here" was a convenient plot device to ensure that Claire's baby was included in the final montage. That being said, why the fuck isn't Lapidus, Miles or Richard there as well? Sloppy writing and a cheap way out.

[Tenbatsuzen]

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[The Jays]

the island wasnt real, they all died on crash landing, except for jack who walked a bit, then died

No, that's wrong. The island existed. The shit with Jacob and the Man in Black, that existed. The ones who crashed onto the island were all candidates of Jacob, but Jacob worked it out so that the ones who died during his selection process had the opportunity to return to their lives before they move on. Kate, Sawyer, Miles, all the ones who left on the plane... they got to get off the island, but when they died, eventually, they will all meet at the church before they move on.

[TooCute]

uhmmm and jimmy kimmel's alternate endings... are they gonna be spoofs?

they'll probably be better than this crock of horseshit.

let's set some dramatic music to this show and throw in a bunch of cute target commercials... nobody will notice we're not actually doing ANYTHING

[TooLowBrow]

How did he have the time to change out of his suit in to a blue shirt?

well when did he switch out of a black tshirt in the cave of light to a blue shirt?

[HBox]

None of the survivors died in the crash. I don't understand how anyone comes to that conclusion.

I agree, I have not even the slightest clue how people are coming to this conclusion.

The working theory here is really nothing actually happened, everyone died on impact except for Jack who walked into the bamboo and died........ but Vincent was completely unharmed from all of that and took a leisurely nap? WHAT?

[dino_electropolis]

"There is no now here" was a convenient plot device to ensure that Claire's baby was included in the final montage. That being said, why the fuck isn't Lapidus, Miles or Richard there as well? Sloppy writing and a cheap way out.

Because they werent on the original flight.....or were they?

:huh::huh::huh:

I'm over it.

[Kevin]

"There is no now here" was a convenient plot device to ensure that Claire's baby was included in the final montage. That being said, why the fuck isn't Lapidus, Miles or Richard there as well? Sloppy writing and a cheap way out.

Those writers had no idea what the fuck they were doing the entire time

Fucking Hacks.

I hope another Madoff comes around and takes all the money they made off this.

[Tall_James]

Ben Linus is getting his own spin-off....

http://i-love-cartoons.com/snags/clipart/Casper-Friendly-Ghost/Casper-Friendly-Ghost-3.jpg

[Tenbatsuzen]

Don't even bring up that horseshit show. They did explain everything.... in about as lazy and nonsensical a way as possible.

Oh really? They can't be all dead from the 815 crash, because how does Lapidus get them off the island?

http://blog.nj.com/alltv/2007/10/large_sopranosfinale.jpg

[TooCute]

So if they survived the plane crash. What about everyone else on the plane?

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://estb.msn.com/i/F9/5EBABCF0DEE759BF19C6AA1C96D67D.jpg

[Kevin]

Oh really? They can't be all dead from the 815 crash, because how does Lapidus get them off the island?

http://blog.nj.com/alltv/2007/10/large_sopranosfinale.jpg

Kate: Come in Jack, I have already ordered Onion rings for the Church

[PapaBear]

As someone has never seen a single episode of Lost, I say to those who did...

AHHH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

[Tall_James]

http://por-img.cimcontent.net/api/assets/bin-200905/402cb864818c7f5a162cd5d0f0fbe9a4.jpg

"Hey, there's a smoke monster in this thing!"

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://images.craveonline.com/article_imgs/Image/St-Elsewhere-finale.jpg

[TooCute]

I should have watched celebrity apprentice instead.

[Tall_James]

And where the hell was Vincent at the church????

Everyone knows...

http://canigraduate.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/all-dogs-go-to-heaven-disney-animation.jpg

[Tall_James]

http://images.craveonline.com/article_imgs/Image/St-Elsewhere-finale.jpg

Ha Ha - you suck at originality.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Ha Ha - you suck at originality.

I suck? You watched this horseshit from the beginning.

[JDE]

I don't understand how some of you are thinking they they all died in the original crash?


None of them would have known each other, so no reason for a special place to be created so they could all meet again once they each died, to go on to the afterlife.


Again I loved it, even being a little confused the last couple of minutes, but the David thing is very perplexing, I am trying to think of what he could be about, maybe a substitute for Christian, but that does not make sense either.



Jason

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://k1ri.com/images/jail.jpg

[Tall_James]

I suck? You watched this horseshit from the beginning.

Yeah but you posted the same picture right after me. So, ha I say!

[IamFogHat]

I watched this with my brother and sister, and I will say I loved it, more details tomorrow, but I loved it so much. Goodnight friends.
Acceptance.
I love you all. Goodnight.

[Kevin]

I watched this with my brother and sister, and I will say I loved it, more details tomorrow, but I loved it so much. Goodnight friends.
Acceptance.
I love you all. Goodnight.

You suck

[TooLowBrow]

how come babies couldnt be born on the island?

i see this and other dangers, and like lockes legs, pluses, of the island as all their ghosts trying to figure out themselves and bring themselves to a point where they could move on

no?

[dino_electropolis]

I suck? You watched this horseshit from the beginning.


Your loss.

Too cool for school crowd is over at rnfV3.0

[TooLowBrow]

Your loss.

Too cool for school crowd is over at rnfV3.0

sadly thats true

[Tenbatsuzen]

Your loss.

Too cool for school crowd is over at rnfV3.0

Here's the thing - you can't sustain a long story arc in episodic television without it sucking at the end. Happened with BSG, happened with this. At least 24 kept it's arcs contained in one season.

[dino_electropolis]

I don't understand how some of you are thinking they they all died in the original crash?


None of them would have known each other, so no reason for a special place to be created so they could all meet again once they each died, to go on to the afterlife.


Again I loved it, even being a little confused the last couple of minutes, but the David thing is very perplexing, I am trying to think of what he could be about, maybe a substitute for Christian, but that does not make sense either.



Jason



Bc they knew each other in pugatory.they shared that together. After dying in crash.

Sounds good to me

[HBox]

how come babies couldnt be born on the island?

i see this and other dangers, and like lockes legs, pluses, of the island as all their ghosts trying to figure out themselves and bring themselves to a point where they could move on

no?

No.

Why would Hurley tell Ben he was a great number two if it never happened? Why would any of them in the sideways world remember the stuff that happened on the island if it never happened? How would they all have been in love with each other if they died before they all met?

The island was real life, the sideways world was the after-life/purgatory/whatever you want to call it.

[Doogie]

I am so enjoying watching everyone freak out either for or against the ending. This is great to read...

[Tenbatsuzen]

"Hey, there's a smoke monster in this thing!"

http://www.galacticawatercooler.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/ron-moore-bsg-cameo.jpg

You KNOW it doesn't like to be called that!

[dino_electropolis]

Here's the thing - you can't sustain a long story arc in episodic television without it sucking at the end. Happened with BSG, happened with this. At least 24 kept it's arcs contained in one season.

Agreed.

But sucking would have been hurley waking up from a daydream as he stood in line to purchase a lotto ticket


I'm ok with the ending we got

[TooCute]

omg these people on jimmy kimmel are crying, what lame-os.

[TooCute]

Who were Dharma?

[TooLowBrow]

No.

Why would Hurley tell Ben he was a great number two if it never happened? Why would any of them in the sideways world remember the stuff that happened on the island if it never happened? How would they all have been in love with each other if they died before they all met?

The island was real life, the sideways world was the after-life/purgatory/whatever you want to call it.

cause the island was there way of coping with shit they had in life

'purgatory' was just there as a place for them to meet up before 'heaven'

[HBox]

Who were Dharma?

What does it matter? Does it have anything to do with what the show was ultimately about?

They were a bunch of scientists who Ben murdered. That we don't know where a pallet of food came from is kinda annoying but ultimately irrelevant.

[dino_electropolis]

What does it matter? Does it have anything to do with what the show was ultimately about?

They were a bunch of scientists who Ben murdered. That we don't know where a pallet of food came from is kinda annoying but ultimately irrelevant.



Precisely.


Exactly WHAT was the show about, again?

[HBox]

cause the island was there way of coping with shit they had in life

'purgatory' was just there as a place for them to meet up before 'heaven'

Wait..... what are you saying. I honestly don't know anymore. The island was heaven and sideways world was purgatory?

That's a really shitty heaven.

[epo]

Your loss.

Too cool for school crowd is over at rnfV3.0

That place is hardly too cool for school.

[booster11373]

The show was meant for and only meant to be watched by dogs

Yea Vincent!

[HBox]

Precisely.


Exactly WHAT was the show about, again?

About the saving the light at the center of the island from MiB, and all the characters, most of all Jack, finding themselves as they try to protect it.

That and a lot of other aborted story lines along the way.

[TooLowBrow]

Wait..... what are you saying. I honestly don't know anymore. The island was heaven and sideways world was purgatory?

That's a really shitty heaven.

no


it went

life, crash, dead, deal with shit island, sideways life, church, heaven

[HBox]

I'm not saying this was a precisely constructed show all along the way, but I felt the finale was satisfying and considering what they ended up concentrating on they explained enough.

But I really have a hard time getting my head around some of the conclusions being drawn from the last 10 minutes.

[dino_electropolis]

no


it went

life, crash, dead, deal with shit island, sideways life, church, heaven

that's what I initially thought as well....but they end up at church during sideways life, and we're told they are dead....so how was sideways life life at all?

[K.C.]

how come babies couldnt be born on the island?

i see this and other dangers, and like lockes legs, pluses, of the island as all their ghosts trying to figure out themselves and bring themselves to a point where they could move on

no?

Hydrogen bomb detonation? Generally fucks stuff like that up.

[FatassTitePants]

no


it went

life, crash, dead, deal with shit island, sideways life, church, heaven

Oh. Got it!

[HBox]

no


it went

life, crash, dead, deal with shit island, sideways life, church, heaven

But......... then where do Miles, Faraday, Charlotte, Widmore and everyone else who wasn't on the plane come into it?

[TooLowBrow]

About the saving the light at the center of the island from MiB, and all the characters, most of all Jack, finding themselves as they try to protect it.

That and a lot of other aborted story lines along the way.

how did they protect it?

i the beginning of this season they showed the island sank while the plane people lived

so now we saw they the people died, but then did the island sink or not?

[K.C.]

What does it matter? Does it have anything to do with what the show was ultimately about?

They were a bunch of scientists who Ben murdered. That we don't know where a pallet of food came from is kinda annoying but ultimately irrelevant.

They were people during a period of time who came to the island to exploit the electromagnetic properties.

Why do people think that there's bigger explanation than that?

[dino_electropolis]

And we never learned what happens to Artie Buco!

[TooLowBrow]

But......... then where do Miles, Faraday, Charlotte, Widmore and everyone else who wasn't on the plane come into it?

either they werent there in the church at the end or when they died in real life they were dragged into another persons heaven

[K.C.]

how did they protect it?

i the beginning of this season they showed the island sank while the plane people lived

so now we saw they the people died, but then did the island sink or not?

The island was real. Jack protected it.

Jack died.

Hurley and Ben went on to do work on the island.

Kate & Sawyer and that group returned home.

Everyone else eventually dies ("everyone dies at some point").

They enter this Sideways when they die. The island is sunk, because it's the end of existence. The island, the light...none of it matters at that point.


The question people should be debating is whether the Sideways was heaven, or whether the Sideways was a purgatory and only by "awakening" were they able to move on.

Seems like the latter.

[The Jays]

The island was real. Everything that happened on the island was real. Desmond is around to make sure they remember to all get together in the afterlife, no matter what time in their real lives that they pass away. That is why Hurley and Ben say they were a great number 1 and a number 2, they probably spent years together on the island after Jack passed away, just protecting the island as long as they could. Ben wasn't ready to move on yet, but Hurley was.

[TooLowBrow]

They were people during a period of time who came to the island to exploit the electromagnetic properties.

Why do people think that there's bigger explanation than that?

because why was juliet at the group meeting at the end?

[HBox]

how did they protect it?

i the beginning of this season they showed the island sank while the plane people lived

so now we saw they the people died, but then did the island sink or not?

THAT WORLD WASN'T REAL!!!!!!!!!!!

Although now that you mention it showing the sunk island at the beginning of the season was a cheap way to draw attention. It had nothing to do with sideways world.

[underdog]

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I actually really enjoyed the Sopranos ending.

The lost writers actually commented about how they really liked it, as well.

Who were Dharma?

DHARMA (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Dharma)

The numbers (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Numbers)

[TooLowBrow]

The island was real. Everything that happened on the island was real. Desmond is around to make sure they remember to all get together in the afterlife, no matter what time in their real lives that they pass away. That is why Hurley and Ben say they were a great number 1 and a number 2, they probably spent years together on the island after Jack passed away, just protecting the island as long as they could. Ben wasn't ready to move on yet, but Hurley was.

why was the island on the bottom of the ocean in the beginning of the season?

[dino_electropolis]

either they werent there in the church at the end or when they died in real life they were dragged into another persons heaven



About the "other persons " heaven thing.... I can see Jack/Kate Sawyer/Juliet choosing to spend eternity together, but I feel like Bernard and rose wouldve been far away from the rest of those assholes!

[underdog]

because why was juliet at the group meeting at the end?

Because she was a large part of their memories.

[K.C.]

because why was juliet at the group meeting at the end?

Because she died.

[TooLowBrow]

THAT WORLD WASN'T REAL!!!!!!!!!!!

Although now that you mention it showing the sunk island at the beginning of the season was a cheap way to draw attention. It had nothing to do with sideways world.

no, it meant that they had already died then


the rest was ...

[K.C.]

The island was real. Everything that happened on the island was real. Desmond is around to make sure they remember to all get together in the afterlife, no matter what time in their real lives that they pass away. That is why Hurley and Ben say they were a great number 1 and a number 2, they probably spent years together on the island after Jack passed away, just protecting the island as long as they could. Ben wasn't ready to move on yet, but Hurley was.

Yay! Someone who gets it!

[TooCute]

Because she died.


I thought they ALL died at some point.

So where was Ana Lucia?

Mr. Friendly?

[K.C.]

I thought they ALL died at some point.

So where was Ana Lucia?

Mr. Friendly?

They do all die at some point. Some were ready to move on, some weren't. Maybe some can't (i.e. Michael?). Maybe some already did.

That's why Desmond doesn't take Daniel when Eloise asks him if he's going to take him away from her.

You could probably go through the characters who weren't there that we saw in the sideways and pinpoint it.

For instance, Daniel wasn't ready, because Daniel hadn't awakened yet. He had an inclination of his past including Charlotte, but he wasn't quite there.

[TooLowBrow]

The island was real. Jack protected it.

Jack died.

Hurley and Ben went on to do work on the island.

Kate & Sawyer and that group returned home.

Everyone else eventually dies ("everyone dies at some point").

They enter this Sideways when they die. The island is sunk, because it's the end of existence. The island, the light...none of it matters at that point.


The question people should be debating is whether the Sideways was heaven, or whether the Sideways was a purgatory and only by "awakening" were they able to move on.

Seems like the latter.

so you seriously think that hurley(the new jacob) and ben(the new richard) live till the end of time, their foe vanquished, then meet everyone in heaven?

[booster11373]

Dogs rule!

[dino_electropolis]

I hope they bring back Mr echo next season!

Can't wait

[K.C.]

so you seriously think that hurley(the new jacob) and ben(the new richard) live till the end of time, their foe vanquished, then meet everyone in heaven?

No, they live for a period of time.

They die like any humans die. You just didn't see it, because the island story ended with Jack's death. Everyone who's still alive dies after that...some probably live full lives, some probably die quick.

[The Jays]

They weren't ready to move on yet. Desmond says so. Desmond is responsible for making sure they are where they are supposed to be.

The island is at the bottom of the ocean because the sideways world is where all the people from the island go when they die, where they meet up before they move on.

[TooLowBrow]

They do all die at some point. Some were ready to move on, some weren't. Maybe some can't (i.e. Michael?). Maybe some already did.

That's why Desmond doesn't take Daniel when Eloise asks him if he's going to take him away from her.

You could probably go through the characters who weren't there that we saw in the sideways and pinpoint it.

For instance, Daniel wasn't ready, because Daniel hadn't awakened yet. He had an inclination of his past including Charlotte, but he wasn't quite there.

there was enough time in the finale to explain why or why daniel wasnt there

[FatassTitePants]

So, the two things I think I know are:

1. The island is depicted at the bottom of the ocean because it is not literal and, therefore, cannot be seen by the living.

2. Who you die with is more important than who you live with?

[TooLowBrow]

No, they live for a period of time.

They die like any humans die. You just didn't see it, because the island story ended with Jack's death. Everyone who's still alive dies after that...some probably live full lives, some probably die quick.

but hurley is 'like me now'

[K.C.]

there was enough time in the finale to explain why or why daniel wasnt there

Well...they had $900,000 commercials to run.

[underdog]

Jimmy Kimmel actually has some good theories. I'm surprised.

[K.C.]

but hurley is 'like me now'

So he "protected the island for as long as he could" and then died.

For Jacob that was thousands of years. For Jack it was an hour.

[K.C.]

So, the two things I think I know are:

1. The island is depicted at the bottom of the ocean because it is not literal and, therefore, cannot be seen by the living.

2. Who you die with is more important than who you live with?

Island's at the bottom in the Sideways because the Sideways is the afterlife. It's very real in the island timeline.

Sort of...it's more of "we're a sum of our experiences and choices."

Deep emotional bonds, or "Constants" are what triggered the awakenings.

[dino_electropolis]

Maybe island and sideways life were both pugatory....why would purgatory have defined time/space dimensions?

As Christian said " there is no now, here"

[TheGameHHH]

why was baby aaron at the church at the end? he was a full grown kid last time i checked

[TooLowBrow]

So he "protected the island for as long as he could" and then died.

For Jacob that was thousands of years. For Jack it was an hour.

for hurley. with no enemy to fight, just an island of paradise.

and ben as his richard




maybe he was the one who told ben to tell the old ben to dig out the runway

[K.C.]

why was baby aaron at the church at the end? he was a full grown kid last time i checked

I wonder if it's meant to be kind of like the philosophical question, if heaven exists and you die, and you see your grandparents there, do they look like your grandparents, or like their idealistic form of themselves.

For Claire and Charlie, baby Aaron was their bonding point. From their perception, that's how they saw him.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Let's see.

The iconic hero has to move a cylindrical object to help his friends escape certain destruction. He eventually dies from his wounds.

http://mutantreviewers.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/spock1.jpg

[TooLowBrow]

I wonder if it's meant to be kind of like the philosophical question, if heaven exists and you die, and you see your grandparents there, do they look like your grandparents, or like their idealistic form of themselves.

For Claire and Charlie, baby Aaron was their bonding point. From their perception, that's how they saw him.

sucks for him

[sailor]

Loved it. Don't understand how people think they died in the crash.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Kate in the Church, on Lapidus plane.

Sawyer in the Church, on the Lapidus plane.

Lapidus on the plane, not in the church.

Miles, on plane, not in Church.

Desmond, on island, in church.

Hurley, on Island, in church.

Alpert, on plane, not in church.

SO IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY FUCKING SENSE

[TooCute]

Because it was a PLANE CRASH. Who the hell survives a PLANE CRASH? The whole premise of the show was dumb. I remember the first time I heard about it I was like wait what they survive a plane crash on an island with a smoke monster? This sounds like a dumb show.

I should have listened to myself.

[underdog]

Because it was a PLANE CRASH. Who the hell survives a PLANE CRASH?

A few people just survived a plane crash in India.

[TheGameHHH]

sucks for him

yea kinda does since he obviously died too, then had no choice in how he moves on.

[K.C.]

A few people just survived a plane crash in India.

Ric Flair survived a plane crash.

[K.C.]

yea kinda does since he obviously died too, then had no choice in how he moves on.

The Aaron in the Sideways we saw may not be "Aaron."

Just Aaron as those people saw him.

When Aaron dies, he may get an entirely different experience.

[TooLowBrow]

The Aaron in the Sideways we saw may not be "Aaron."

Just Aaron as those people saw him.

When Aaron dies, he may get an entirely different experience.

but its still not life

that was why jack cried when he realized

[K.C.]

Kate in the Church, on Lapidus plane.

Sawyer in the Church, on the Lapidus plane.

Lapidus on the plane, not in the church.

Miles, on plane, not in Church.

Desmond, on island, in church.

Hurley, on Island, in church.

Alpert, on plane, not in church.

SO IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY FUCKING SENSE

That's because you're thinking about it completely wrong. There's no correlation to where they were in real life and when they move on.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Kimmel is ripping off the SOpranos end, but NOBODY IS FUCKING LAUGHING because they're all pissed. Awsome.

[Tenbatsuzen]

It's BOB FUCKING NEWHART!

[K.C.]

Kimmel is ripping off the SOpranos end, but NOBODY IS FUCKING LAUGHING because they're all pissed. Awsome.

We get it, you're a dick...go to bed.

[OGC]

I'm more disappointed that there aren't really 3 alternate endings than I was at the actual ending of Lost.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Ric Flair survived a plane crash.

Or... did he?

*horn blast*

[Tenbatsuzen]

That's because you're thinking about it completely wrong. There's no correlation to where they were in real life and when they move on.

No, because they made of point of showing Jack actually dying. And the last thing Jack saw as he was dying was the Lapidus plane leaving.

Miles is still alive in real life.

So is Ben. So is Hurley.

If the flash sideways is a construct of Jack's loved ones getting him into heaven, those who are still alive should not be there. That means Kate, Sawyer, Linus, and Hurley. I'll give a pass on Desmond because he is "outside the box" as it were.

[Tenbatsuzen]

That's because you're thinking about it completely wrong. There's no correlation to where they were in real life and when they move on.

That's fine. So if that's the case, why isn't Ben and Ana Lucia in the church if "now" doesn't exist? It's just a bullshit excuse to build tension.

Mr. Gorpley and his wife said they don't want to be involved. So why are they in the church? Non-believers don't get to be there.

[K.C.]

No, because they made of point of showing Jack actually dying. And the last thing Jack saw as he was dying was the Lapidus plane leaving.

Miles is still alive in real life.

So is Ben. So is Hurley.

If the flash sideways is a construct of Jack's loved ones getting him into heaven, those who are still alive should not be there. That means Kate, Sawyer, Linus, and Hurley. I'll give a pass on Desmond because he is "outside the box" as it were.

The Flash Sideways is death. The end of existence. Time doesn't matter there. That's why the island is under water. Because it doesn't need to be protected there.

Everyone you mentioned dies at some point. Just not at the point in time where Jack does.

That's why Kate says she's waited so long to see Jack again. She probably lived a full life.

And who was in the church doesn't necessarily need to be everyone. Everyone moves on in their own time. The people in the church were just the people who were ready.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The Flash Sideways is death. The end of existence. Time doesn't matter there. That's why the island is under water. Because it doesn't need to be protected there.

Everyone you mentioned dies at some point. Just not at the point in time where Jack does.

That's why Kate says she's waited so long to see Jack again. She probably lived a full life.

And who was in the church doesn't necessarily need to be everyone. Everyone moves on in their own time. The people in the church were just the people who were ready.

Fine, Jack dies on the island. Why does the flash-sideways construct him a son? Why is Locke being healed so important if the flash-sideways is Jack's me-me-me world?

[WampusCrandle]

i just feel confused on why Penny would be in the church.

[K.C.]

That's fine. So if that's the case, why isn't Ben and Ana Lucia in the church if "now" doesn't exist? It's just a bullshit excuse to build tension.

Mr. Gorpley and his wife said they don't want to be involved. So why are they in the church? Non-believers don't get to be there.

Because Ben wasn't ready to move on. He still had a lot of things he needed to reconcile in regards to who he was and fully come to terms with it.

That's more or less the case with anyone who wasn't there. Desmond more or less says Ana Lucia "wasn't ready."

Why specifically? You'd have to analyze the character.

First, she was never awakened in the Sideways like the others. Second, I think when she died, her character arc never really had come full circle. She was just starting to redeem herself when Michael shot her.

[K.C.]

Fine, Jack dies on the island. Why does the flash-sideways construct him a son? Why is Locke being healed so important if the flash-sideways is Jack's me-me-me world?

I don't know why he has a son.

Locke needed to be healed, because it trigger Locke's awakening so he could move on.

[K.C.]

i just feel confused on why Penny would be in the church.

Because she dies.

Everyone dies at some point. And time doesn't exist in the abyss. So whether someone blows her brains out two minutes after Jack dies, or she drops dead 80 years later, it doesn't matter.

[K.C.]

I don't know why he has a son.


The working explanation I'm going with on this right now is that since the flash sideways is a sort of purgatory, and disconnected from their island lives until they're awakened, it's kind of made up of things that they perceived their lives should of been.

-Jack was a surgeon with a son.
-Hurley was lucky
-Sawyer was respectable
-Kate was innocent (or so she claimed)
-Claire reconnected with family.
-Desmond was wealthy and respectable (a big hang up of his when we're first introduced to his backstory).

And yet it's a sort of unfulfilling living death (figuratively and literally), because what made them whole were the experiences they had on the island.

And everything about the Sideways is shattered when they're awakened to what the Sideways is.

So in short, Jack has a son, because Jack perceived that's what his life should be. When Jack is awakened, Jack learns it's not real, and is awakened to what his life really was and that he is dead, and through awakening he is ready to move on...

To where...ask a philosopher...I don't get paid for this shit.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Because Ben wasn't ready to move on. He still had a lot of things he needed to reconcile in regards to who he was and fully come to terms with it.

That's more or less the case with anyone who wasn't there. Desmond more or less says Ana Lucia "wasn't ready."

Why specifically? You'd have to analyze the character.

First, she was never awakened in the Sideways like the others. Second, I think when she died, her character arc never really had come full circle. She was just starting to redeem herself when Michael shot her.

So if Christian is actually the Angel of Death, and Desmond isn't dead, why does the white hair lady ask Desmond if he's taking the piano player?

[Stuft]

Last night was the first episode I saw since the pilot.

Apparently, they're all going to a concert.

Will this end like Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey?

Kate in the Church, on Lapidus plane.

Sawyer in the Church, on the Lapidus plane.

Lapidus on the plane, not in the church.

Miles, on plane, not in Church.

Desmond, on island, in church.

Hurley, on Island, in church.

Alpert, on plane, not in church.

SO IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY FUCKING SENSE

Perhaps if you paid the fuck attention over the last, let's say 6 years, it would make more sense, ya think?

[Stuft]

i just feel confused on why Penny would be in the church.

THIS!!! I get the whole time doesn't matter here thing, but it just seemed odd to me. Same for Rose and Bernard. But to tie it all up, i was completely not disappointed in the finale.:thumbup:

[WampusCrandle]

THIS!!! I get the whole time doesn't matter here thing, but it just seemed odd to me. Same for Rose and Bernard. But to tie it all up, i was completely not disappointed in the finale.:thumbup:

it was a fine finale. I just ... there are questions, for me, that are still left out there. I certainly didn't pay close attention as others have, but I feel like everything should have been wrapped up and it wasn't.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Perhaps if you paid the fuck attention over the last, let's say 6 years, it would make more sense, ya think?

I paid attention for six years with BSG. Look where that got me. I'm glad I didn't make the same mistake with Lost.

That said, what exactly was the point of Jack's cut neck when it was his abdoment stabbing that killed him?

[JDE]

The working explanation I'm going with on this right now is that since the flash sideways is a sort of purgatory, and disconnected from their island lives until they're awakened, it's kind of made up of things that they perceived their lives should of been.

-Jack was a surgeon with a son.
-Hurley was lucky
-Sawyer was respectable
-Kate was innocent (or so she claimed)
-Claire reconnected with family.
-Desmond was wealthy and respectable (a big hang up of his when we're first introduced to his backstory).

And yet it's a sort of unfulfilling living death (figuratively and literally), because what made them whole were the experiences they had on the island.

And everything about the Sideways is shattered when they're awakened to what the Sideways is.

So in short, Jack has a son, because Jack perceived that's what his life should be. When Jack is awakened, Jack learns it's not real, and is awakened to what his life really was and that he is dead, and through awakening he is ready to move on...

To where...ask a philosopher...I don't get paid for this shit.



Okay, I think you just nailed it, good job.



Jason

[Servo]

I thought it was great.

This is the first time I'm reading or hearing any feedback about it... people really think they all died in the crash?

[Dan 'Hampton]

Stupid people do.

[thepaulo]

can't say I've watched a complete episode until last night.
I watched from 7pm to 11:30 last night and found it very satisfying.
I think I got most of it but some things are still open to interpretation.

[sailor]

Loved it. Don't understand how people think they died in the crash.

I thought it was great.

This is the first time I'm reading or hearing any feedback about it... people really think they all died in the crash?

Stupid people do.

i don't understand how those people remember to breathe.

[thepaulo]

can't say I've watched a complete episode until last night.
I watched from 7pm to 11:30 last night and found it very satisfying.
I think I got most of it but some things are still open to interpretation.


I love pseudo science and religion since I don't think anyone knows much of anything.
There is nothing I hate worse than the arrogance of scientists or clergy telling me they know it all.
Nobody knows anything for sure so it is all open to speculation.

[marky2bucks]

Thanks for all the insight K.C. I am reading your posts as always. You get the show. Others don't.

I am still digesting the finale but I thought it was great. As far as unanswered questions, I think most of them were touched on. Nothing was completely answered, which I am fine with.

I see plenty of misunderstanding of the final scene. Christian's dialogue explains all of it, it just needs to be looked at closer.
"The island was real" = It all happened. They weren't dead.
"Everyone dies" = (eventually). This is an afterlife
"You created this place" = they created the flash sideways to meet

[NewYorkDragons80]

Who the hell survives a PLANE CRASH?

From 1983 to 2000, the National Transportation Safety Board investigated 26 major commercial accidents involving 2,739 people. A total of 1,525 survived, or 56% (http://www.ewatravel.com/odds.htm)

[Jujubees2]

http://por-img.cimcontent.net/api/assets/bin-200905/402cb864818c7f5a162cd5d0f0fbe9a4.jpg

"Hey, there's a smoke monster in this thing!"

Now THAT was the way to end a show!

[Furtherman]

Perhaps if you paid the fuck attention over the last, let's say 6 years, it would make more sense, ya think?

This is exactly what those who were disappointed have to hear.

Some of it was expected, but others just didn't invest any real time to enjoy the ending we got, which was fantastic.

TooCute, I can only guess you've watched about 10 episodes over the years because every question you asked as a definitive answer.

For those of us who watched, it was great... And of course, there was a couple of questions left over (like how did Boone get enlightened for one), but overall, everything came together and was ended perfectly.

It was a great run and I will miss this show immensely.

[K.C.]

This is exactly what those who were disappointed have to hear.

Some of it was expected, but others just didn't invest any real time to enjoy the ending we got, which was fantastic.

TooCute, I can only guess you've watched about 10 episodes over the years because every question you asked as a definitive answer.

For those of us who watched, it was great... And of course, there was a couple of questions left over (like how did Boone get enlightened for one), but overall, everything came together and was ended perfectly.

It was a great run and I will miss this show immensely.

The only thing I'll say about that is that there are a lot of thing in the show you need a frame of reference for...to get what was happening in the finale, you really didn't. Everything about the Sideways and Island in relation to these characters is explained in that episode.

The people who didn't get it either missed things in the episode or didn't watch closely.

[NewYorkDragons80]

This is exactly what those who were disappointed have to hear.

Some of it was expected, but others just didn't invest any real time to enjoy the ending we got, which was fantastic.

TooCute, I can only guess you've watched about 10 episodes over the years because every question you asked as a definitive answer.

For those of us who watched, it was great... And of course, there was a couple of questions left over (like how did Boone get enlightened for one), but overall, everything came together and was ended perfectly.

It was a great run and I will miss this show immensely.

I was skeptical all season long, but I really do get the impression that they knew what they were doing pretty much the whole time (with the exception of their treading water in season 3). "Live together or die alone" is really sinking in

[CruelCircus]

It seems by tagging that last beach scene on to the end during the credits, they really threw a lot of people off.

Honestly, I just took that as a last chance to show some footage of the original set. I didn't think it had anything at all to do with the story.

[mikeyboy]

I was happy with the finale. I was a little concerned when there were only 10 minutes left, because I didn't think it was possible to fit in a satisfying ending, but I think they did.

I'm not sure why so many people think that everyone died on the plane crash. Everything except the sideways world was "real". For the actual arc of the story (but not necessarily the arc of the characters) the sideways world wasn't even essential. The sideways world (as the afterlife) did allow them to give the story some emotional punch that might have been difficult otherwise. It also distracted from the stupidity that the fate of the island depended on pulling a big peg out of a hole and putting it back in.

I thought they were going to explain at some point why there were continuing Dharma food drops on the island despite the fact that Dharma had been wiped out.

[Misteriosa]

Who the hell survives a PLANE CRASH?

this kid.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/05/15/alg_plane_wreckage_boy.jpg

[boobieman]

I watched my first episode last night. I am so glad I did not get stuck with this show for 6/7 years. I just don't understand the whole taking the pin out and the island goes to crap. I understand the island is there to hold evil in...at least that what i think. I understand the whole ending and sideways thingy. Just the pull the pin and everything goes bad...put it back and the water and special light saves everything. I would just be annoyed. Why didn't they explain the island more...why didn't anyone turn into the smoke monster when they went into the shiney cave.

I liked the ending..thought it was well done, from an acting/writing.

One thing that really annoyed me...WTF is with all the dam commercials...7 mins of show and then 4 mins of commercials..It was so fuckin bad..was it like that the whole time the show was on?
I like to listen to O&A and R&F talking about it. Excuse me I have to go to a commercial break now..FUCKIN SUCKS

SSSSEYYAYAAA

[CurseoftheBambi]

serioiusly why do people think they died in the crash? listen to the dialogue christian says to Jack. everything is explained there about what sideways is and the island.

No one of those characters died in the crash. They either died in the course of the 6 seasons (Boone, Shannon, Sayid, Jack, Jin, Sun, Charlie, Locke, Juliet) or they lived when they escaped the island (Kate, Sawyer, Desmond, (Lapedis, Richard, Miles) or they died after guarding the island (Hurley and Ben) or simply living on the island (Rose and Bernard)and were already off island (Aaron and Penny).

The whole 6 seasons were real. They happened. It wasn't the that crazy second shit little jimmy was talking about. (he didn't hear what christian was saying either i suppose). The only "non real" real was the Flash sideways. It was a puragatory of sorts ( i have no other religious knowledge of what else would be a more fitting description) where they (the losties) created so they could all meet again and move on to the full afterlife together. They were dead at this point for the reasons already listed above. They were just waiting to find each other again. The Church represented their meeting place to go on together. That big white out at the end was them all moving on. Some for their own reasons weren't ready to leave sideways, Ben, Ana Lucia, Eloise etc. But the main people we were following since the beginning were. Except for Michael who's trapped of sorts on the island...he gave his explaination for it, that he can't move on like the other whispers (see Everybody loves Hugo episode season 6 number 12). As for Walt he's probably not dead (this is my theory -but the real reason he wasnt there was that the actor aged too much for them to write him back into the show)

[mikeyboy]

Also, I think Ben wasn't ready to go at the end because he wanted to bang Rousseau first.

[Furtherman]

There wasn't any more commericals than any other 2 1/2 hour show. Just watch a movie on TBS.

[underdog]

I can't stop thinking about the finale. It was just great. I'm really surprised I wasn't disappointed, but they did a great job.

[boobieman]

There wasn't any more commericals than any other 2 1/2 hour show. Just watch a movie on TBS.

WHY would ya????

[Willmore]

I'm fine with the finale. It was touching, it gave the characters a nice send-off. It didn't answer any questions, but I don't hold it against it, I was fine with the Sopranos finale as it was.

The only thing that pissed me off about the show in general is the deus ex machina way that the writers used "the heart of the island."

You touch it with a wheel, and you shift time. You "unplug it" and the world is about to come crushing down. You don't "hold it" with a number sequence and it emits an EMP.

If the show really was about life and death, the soul's salvation, or anything else spiritual, you didn't really need the light or Jacob, you could have told a great story without it. And if that is what the story was truly about, I think that all the red herrings related to science, Faraday, etc. were a waste of time. It was an enjoyable waste of time, but it had no purpose as it related to the story.

Honestly, I feel that this only strengthens the theory that Lindelof and Cuse had no fucking clue where the show was going, or didn't bother telling the rest of the writers, and so you ended up with a dozen different ideas thrown together and it wasn't until sometime in season 5 that Cuse and Lindelof decided on this version of the show.

I'm also curious if they were pressured by the execs to leave the story on the Island-side of it open-ended for possible spin-offs or movies, or something else.

Overall, I'm satisfied. It is what it is, and I appreciate it for that.

[FatassTitePants]

I had dreams all night long about the finale and I think I finally get it. There is nobody left on the beach because it is a significant amount of time after the crash (not sure how much island time passed anymore). There are people on the island, just not on the beach. The plane debris is weathered and rusted. The one thing that confused me was during the last shots of the beach, what was the bright red thing in the foreground in the third shot?

[mikeyboy]

There wasn't any more commericals than any other 2 1/2 hour show. Just watch a movie on TBS.

I think you're right. I've gotten into the habit of starting shows a little late so I can skip the commercials. I started about 20 minutes in and was able to skip all of the commercials, which is normal for that length of show.