2011 NFL Playoffs

[Ritalin]

Rick Reilly may in fact be a douche, but it doesn't stop the truth about Cutler.

You're the Sarah Palin of football. Just never wrong.

And no credibility.

[epo]

You're the Sarah Palin of football. Just never wrong.

And no credibility.

Says the man who claims Cutler is as good as Rodgers.

Put down the beer you drunk!

[Snacks]

the best thing about the bears is their fans yelling throughout the national anthem

i didnt catch that but this game is so fucking boring!

[disneyspy]

i didnt catch that but this game is so fucking boring!

it was pretty fuckin cool,i'd never seen the anthem before in soldier field but i liked and i how shitty does new orleans look now?

[Barnaby Jones]

it was pretty fuckin cool,i'd never seen the anthem before in soldier field but i liked and i how shitty does new orleans look now?

Hey, the Seahawks sucked last week, too!!! You're a terrible team if you give up 36 points!!! The problem was that the Saints defense apparently fell asleep!!!

[Ritalin]

it was pretty fuckin cool,i'd never seen the anthem before in soldier field but i liked and i how shitty does new orleans look now?

That started at Blackhawks games a long time ago, like 20-25 years. It was best in the old Chicago Stadium. That United Center is dogshit.

[spoon]

hahahaha that might be the funniest thing you ever said. once again we are back to the stupid argument of winning playoff games vs actually being a great QB.

Dilfer is a stud then because he won a SB, thats it end discussion. Win a SB and you are a top QB. They are both Hall of famers! maybe 1st ballot! lol

Im actually pissing my pants a little laughing so hard. I guess Philly has never had a great QB because your team has never won a SB?

On that note I will make my picks. Take Sea plus the 10 and dont be shocked when they win outright!

Your picks have been piss poor buddy! I took Seattle too, but it's my first loss this weekend and I was close to changing it. You are the hippo of playoff picks! I should have changed it as soon as I saw this!

[Snacks]

Your picks have been piss poor buddy! I took Seattle too, but it's my first loss this weekend and I was close to changing it. You are the hippo of playoff picks! I should have changed it as soon as I saw this!

i went 3- 1 last week. i went 10-4 in the bowl games. and im 1-2 this week so far. after the Pats destroy the Jets I will be 2-2.

Even though this game is terrible and Sea is getting killed they can still cover! I doubt it but I wouldnt be surprised!

[spoon]

You're the ONLY one.


























Unless, of course, we see the Classic Cutler Collapse.

So you were saying you didn't have confidence in Cutler as well...meaning the same shit that Sailor said you dummy?

Oh and add in Snacks, myself and the 70% that took Seattle in the pick'em league. Good pt Justice for Manning!

[spoon]

Hester has to be one of the most exciting players to watch in the NFL.

You should join the Fox broadcast team!

[Snacks]

You should join the Fox broadcast team!

I dont know why but reading this made me laugh for 2 minutes!

[underdog]

Matt Forte is a terrible QB.

[Ritalin]

I suppose that was Cutler's fault.

[epo]

Matt Forte is a terrible QB.

Why would Mike Martz call that up by 25?

[Snacks]

Why would Mike Martz call that up by 25?

because he is Mike Martz!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Why would Mike Martz call that up by 25?

re-read that question again to yourself.

[Ritalin]

Why would Mike Martz call that up by 25?


Pretty stupid.

[Justice4all]

tom take your (') and shove them up your ass. It's a message board we don't need an English class or spelling class. We type fast and continue conversations. Sometimes if you do not understand something because it doesn't have a (') where it needs to be then go fuck yourself and leave the board!

You have some balls trying to make someone sound stupid because they use or dont use ('). Lets not compare book or street smarts because we know you would get killed at both!

I don't make you sound stupid. God did that. I just hold up the microphone.

Oh I'm sorry, you don't believe in God anymore.

[Barnaby Jones]

Why would Mike Martz call that up by 25?

Because he's MIKE MARTZ, damn it!!!!

[epo]

Seattle is only a QB, a RB, a TE, 2 WRs and an offensive line away from having a good offense.

[Justice4all]

i would like to hear
more of the back-story
on this

THAT was fucking funny!

[Ritalin]

Seattle is only a QB, a RB, a TE, 2 WRs and an offensive line away from having a good offense.

Williams is terrible. He doesn't want to play.

[Tenbatsuzen]

West Virginia wins!

[Justice4all]

You should join the Fox broadcast team!

Only if I can stand next to Moose instead of this flaming moron.
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[Justice4all]

So you were saying you didn't have confidence in Cutler as well...meaning the same shit that Sailor said you dummy?

Oh and add in Snacks, myself and the 70% that took Seattle in the pick'em league. Good pt Justice for Manning!


Sorry professor. It was meant to come across as "I don't think the Bears will lose, the only thing that would make that happen would be if Cutler collapses as he has been prone to do. But I doubt it"

Didn't know you needed that one spelled out too.
Snacks...sure...you? Little surprised.:ohmy:

[spoon]

it was pretty fuckin cool,i'd never seen the anthem before in soldier field but i liked and i how shitty does new orleans look now?

Hey, the Seahawks sucked last week, too!!! You're a terrible team if you give up 36 points!!! The problem was that the Saints defense apparently fell asleep!!!

Well let's be honest that Seattle is a completely different team on the road and losing their TE is a huge problem being he's their best weapon in my mind. That changed the game immediately. Also, Hasselback is NOT a top level qb or even close. Come on man. I'd put another 10+ guys ahead of him including Philly's backup and starter so I really don't see where TS is coming from on this one.

[Snacks]

Sorry professor. It was meant to come across as "I don't think the Bears will lose, the only thing that would make that happen would be if Cutler collapses as he has been prone to do. But I doubt it"

Didn't know you needed that one spelled out too.
Snacks...sure...you? Little surprised.:ohmy:

Tom I know more about football then you will even know. You dont even know the rules of the game and never played the game and you sure as hell never bet on sports. Please stop trying to make it sound like you are knowledgeable about football or any sport!

[Snacks]

Well let's be honest that Seattle is a completely different team on the road and losing their TE is a huge problem being he's their best weapon in my mind. That changed the game immediately. Also, Hasselback is NOT a top level qb or even close. Come on man. I'd put another 10+ guys ahead of him including Philly's backup and starter so I really don't see where TS is coming from on this one.

said that as soon as it happened.

[spoon]

i went 3- 1 last week. i went 10-4 in the bowl games. and im 1-2 this week so far. after the Pats destroy the Jets I will be 2-2.

Even though this game is terrible and Sea is getting killed they can still cover! I doubt it but I wouldnt be surprised!

I hope that happens too, but the bowl games I have zero interest in until they get a playoffs. I refuse to support it at all until then. Everyone should do this.

[Barnaby Jones]

Well let's be honest that Seattle is a completely different team on the road and losing their TE is a huge problem being he's their best weapon in my mind. That changed the game immediately. Also, Hasselback is NOT a top level qb or even close. Come on man. I'd put another 10+ guys ahead of him including Philly's backup and starter so I really don't see where TS is coming from on this one.

That's kind of my point; the Seahawks didn't win it last week so much as the Saints lost it and gave it to them!!! I was stunned at how their defense just fell apart for no reason!!!

[Justice4all]

Ah Cutler was due.

[spoon]

Why would Mike Martz call that up by 25?

same thing I said when it happened

just drive down the clock and keep it safe

I wish Seattle would come back and take this bc of their idiocy, but fat chance


And man, that's what good special teams looks like!? Fuck you Crosby, bye bye! :bye:

[Justice4all]

Tom I know more about football then you will even know. You dont even know the rules of the game and never played the game and you sure as hell never bet on sports. Please stop trying to make it sound like you are knowledgeable about football or any sport!

Yes because saying Cutler has collapsed is something only a well informed individual like yourself would be aware of. I am sorry...didn't know I was trying to grasp something outside of my reach.

(that was sarcasm)

[Tenbatsuzen]

Well let's be honest that Seattle is a completely different team on the road and losing their TE is a huge problem being he's their best weapon in my mind. That changed the game immediately.

Also explains why TripleSkeet was jerking off in the bathroom.

[IamFogHat]

Jughead must be thrilled! The Bears have given them quite the whollaping!

[spoon]

Man the Bears are gonna get smacked next week. Can't wait for Cutler to get sacked 6 times+ and throw 3 picks.

[Snacks]

Man the Bears are gonna get smacked next week. Can't wait for Cutler to get sacked 6 times+ and throw 3 picks.

I agree. The Bears are not that good! I think the Packers are the best team left in the playoffs and that including NE and Pitt! They had injuries all year but they are healthy now and have looked really good 2 straight games against the #1 and #3 seeds. I think they should win next week and win easily!

As for the line on this game. If you got the line at 10.5 and bought the half you pushed. If Sea showed up early in this game or didnt lose Carlson this would have been a different game and an easy cover maybe even a win! The Bears did not close this game out when they should have.

[Justice4all]

Man the Bears are gonna get smacked next week.


Absolutely

[epo]

Man the Bears are gonna get smacked next week. Can't wait for Cutler to get sacked 6 times+ and throw 3 picks.

Bring me the head of Jay Cutler.

[underdog]

Welker benched to start the game. I wonder for how long.

and what the hell was Brady just smelling?

[spoon]

Welker benched to open the game. See the dif in orgs anyone?

[Snacks]

Welker benched to open the game. See the dif in orgs anyone?

yeah but youre really not saying Belichik is classy because hes not. He is almost as much of a jerk off as Sexy Rexy!

[epo]

Welker benched to open the game. See the dif in orgs anyone?

The Hoodie has rules. Ryan ignores them.

[spoon]

Welker benched to start the game. I wonder for how long.

and what the hell was Brady just smelling?

Victory!

[underdog]

Victory!

But seriously, it was a cup of something. Smelling salts? I never played football, so I don't know what it is.

[spoon]

yeah but youre really not saying Belichik is classy because hes not. He is almost as much of a jerk off as Sexy Rexy!

Sure, but isn't it even worse that Rex has been able to wipe out BB's douche factor overnight!?

[Snacks]

Even though I do not want Brady to win another SB, I hope NE beats this team as bad as they did the last time they played. Final score 31-10!

[spoon]

But seriously, it was a cup of something. Smelling salts? I never played football, so I don't know what it is.

Didn't see it, but I don't remember anything like that when I played. Coffee!?

[Snacks]

Victory!

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[spoon]

Even though I do not want Brady to win another SB, I hope NE beats this team as bas as they did the last time they played. Final score 31-10!

The order of teams I would like to win left at this point would be as follows:

1) GB
2) the rest I personally can't stand (Pitt/Roth and their history, NE/BB and their AFC history & Chicago/Cutler and Martz)
Last and no desire to see at any time) NY Jets (whole team of assholes)

[spoon]

Nice pass Sanchize!

And really Simms? Sanchez didn't have room to get his feet set?! He had little pressure on him if at all and a HUGE pocket to step up in. He just didn't out of fear or terrible mechanics. He SuckS!

[Snacks]

The order of teams I would like to win left at this point would be as follows:

1) GB
2) the rest I personally can't stand (Pitt/Roth and their history, NE/BB and their AFC history & Chicago/Cutler and Martz)
Last and no desire to see at any time) NY Jets (whole team of assholes)

Thats how I feel a little. If Chicago goes to the SB Im rooting for them because they are my cousins fav team and they will be playing 1 of the 3 AFC teams left that I dont want to win. But Im rooting for my choice to start the season GB to win it all.

I thought Welker was benched to start the game? Letting him return a punt is kind of a half ass benching.

[Snacks]

Nice pass Sanchize!

And really Simms? Sanchez didn't have room to get his feet set?! He had little pressure on him if at all and a HUGE pocket to step up in. He just didn't out of fear or terrible mechanics. He SuckS!

What do you expect out of Simms? I think Simms is the worst NFL announcer who is a former players. I like Nanz but cant stand Simms!

[Tenbatsuzen]

What do you expect out of Simms? I think Simms is the worst NFL announcer who is a former players. I like Nanz but cant stand Simms!

Siragusa.

[spoon]

It's about time someone throws at Revis so they can't ignore his half of the field with the safeties.

And yah, I see your point on Welker, but he's not in there for the first series so I get it. More than Cromartie got for cursing out a player like a child, Scott threatening a player's livelihood/life and Edwards threatening everyone on the road with drunk driving. Oh wait, he missed a play!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Jets are not finishing their tackles at all. Come on.

[Snacks]

Siragusa.

I like goose!

[spoon]

What do you expect out of Simms? I think Simms is the worst NFL announcer who is a former players. I like Nanz but cant stand Simms!

Siragusa.

That's the first time I've seen Matt make a valid point in years!

[epo]

Big play. Good time as it looked like the Pats were going to jam it down their throats on the first drive.

[spoon]

WTF man, this is the only way the Jets stay in the game! How awful was that pass! It looked like a Sanchez toss.

[Snacks]

Bad throw by Brady but how does Crumpler come all the way across the field and catch a linebacker? They should have scored easily on that int!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Now the offense are playing like assholes. Come on.

[Justice4all]

I like goose!

That's because you could be his twin

[underdog]

That was a terrible pass .

[spoon]

Big play. Good time as it looked like the Pats were going to jam it down their throats on the first drive.

Come on Brady, wake the fuck up! Smell more of your cup of whateverthefuck!?

[Justice4all]

Now the offense are playing like assholes.

Yep

[spoon]

Folk You!!!

Yah!!!!

[weekapaugjz]

:lol:

[HBox]

Kicker not making good use of his feet there.

[Snacks]

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha he missed it omg this team sucks. they cant make a chip shot!

[Justice4all]

No good. This doesnt bode well for the Jets

[underdog]

Fuck you, Jets! HA!

[Justice4all]

Whoops....doesn( ' )t

[HBox]

Coaching staff just showed how much they trust Sanchez on that 3rd and 18.

[spoon]

Fuck I'm cheering for the Pats as if it's SD right now. Man do I hate these fat fuck coached douche cunts.

^NSFW

[epo]

Kicker not making good use of his feet there.

His toe didn't hit it right.

[Snacks]

Fuck I'm cheering for the Pats as if it's SD right now. Man do I hate these fat fuck coached douche cunts.

^NSFW

!!!!!:clap:

[spoon]

By the way, that'll be their only sack of the day.

Nice catch on that tackle too!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Bad throw by Brady but how does Crumpler come all the way across the field and catch a linebacker? They should have scored easily on that int!

Because linebackers are well known for their long-distance speed.

[Snacks]

Because linebackers are well known for their long-distance speed.

Did you see Crumpler? He looked like a lineman until they said his name and only then did you know he was a TE.

That might be the only chance you get at scoring!

[spoon]

Because linebackers are well known for their long-distance speed.

Come on, didn't Bart Scott run the NY Marathon in record time?

You really can't fault a guy on that play, he did more than his job there. Just glad the Jet O sucked it up, especially Folk to follow it up.

[spoon]

Did you see Crumpler? He looked like a lineman until they said his name and only then did you know he was a TE.

That might be the only chance you get at scoring!

Yah, Crumpler really put on weight over the years even though he was never too small. He was always a good hands guy, but I think NE is the first team to get him to block decent and play that hard.

[Ritalin]

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[spoon]

Both are right.

[spoon]

So much for that, coverage sack.

[Snacks]

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Dont know what you're getting at?


Both are right.

What?

[spoon]

Dont know what your getting at?




What?

Meaning both Folk is not good and kicking is harder since they changed the balls used specifically for kicking.

[spoon]

Rit is trying to say this one miss proves his point and kills Shaun's. It's pretty stupid overall bc both are right in the end...and the current miss wouldn't prove it one way or another. It's based on body of work, not that kick.

[spoon]

Yah, Crumpler really put on weight over the years even though he was never too small. He was always a good hands guy, but I think NE is the first team to get him to block decent and play that hard.

So much for those hands huh!? I guess he has one or the other, but his gut/ass probably got in the way so you can't blame him.

[Ritalin]

My point is Folk is shaky and it would hurt them in the playoffs, and it has. I'm a goddamn genius.

[spoon]

My point is Folk is shaky and it would hurt them in the playoffs, and it has. I'm a goddamn genius.

Wow ur a wizard! I heard someone else say Hasselbeck would hurt Seattle's chances too! You guys are amazing. What next, Norv Turner as a coach hurts a team's ability to win?

[TripleSkeet]

hahahaha that might be the funniest thing you ever said. once again we are back to the stupid argument of winning playoff games vs actually being a great QB.

Dilfer is a stud then because he won a SB, thats it end discussion. Win a SB and you are a top QB. They are both Hall of famers! maybe 1st ballot! lol

Im actually pissing my pants a little laughing so hard. I guess Philly has never had a great QB because your team has never won a SB?

On that note I will make my picks. Take Sea plus the 10 and dont be shocked when they win outright!

Ive said this 100 times before, part of being a great QB is leading your team to victory. Stats dont mean dick to me if they arent accompanied with wins. Thats why right now Tom Brady is showing why Peyton Manning is not the best QB, in the league right now, let alone of all time, and not even in the Top 3. 9-10 in the playoffs, fucking please.

And Phillys has plenty of great QBs, but none I would put in the Top 20 of all time, and yes not winning a Super Bowl has alot to do with that.

If Aaron Rodgers doesnt win a Super Bowl he never gets his name mentioned with the likes of Brady, Brees, Rothlisberger or Manning. Sorry but thats the way I measure QBs. They are the general on the field. If they fight valiantly but constantly lose the battle, then they arent the best general. Sorry.

[Justice4all]

Bad throw...bad decision. Almost was intercepted.

[spoon]

Bad throw...bad decision. Almost was intercepted.

That bad throw may have saved Keller's life though. He would have got LIT up there, and probably a 15 yard penalty for the safety making a legitimate play on him too.

[epo]

Ive said this 100 times before, part of being a great QB is leading your team to victory. Stats dont mean dick to me if they arent accompanied with wins. Thats why right now Tom Brady is showing why Peyton Manning is not the best QB, in the league right now, let alone of all time, and not even in the Top 3. 9-10 in the playoffs, fucking please.

And Phillys has plenty of great QBs, but none I would put in the Top 20 of all time, and yes not winning a Super Bowl has alot to do with that.

If Aaron Rodgers doesnt win a Super Bowl he never gets his name mentioned with the likes of Brady, Brees, Rothlisberger or Manning. Sorry but thats the way I measure QBs. They are the general on the field. If they fight valiantly but constantly lose the battle, then they arent the best general. Sorry.

The Eagles have had great QBs?

Who?

[Ritalin]

Jets are hanging tough.

[underdog]

That bad throw may have saved Keller's life though. He would have got LIT up there, and probably a 15 yard penalty for the safety making a legitimate play on him too.

Yeah, Meriweather was about to destroy him.

[Tenbatsuzen]

My point is Folk is shaky and it would hurt them in the playoffs, and it has. I'm a goddamn genius.

Slow down. THe kick may have been good. But that's water under the bridge now.

[Ritalin]

The Eagles have had great QBs?

Who?

Norm Van Brocklin?

[Justice4all]

By the way, that'll be their only sack of the day.

:thumbdown:

[Snacks]

The Eagles have had great QBs?

Who?

Kolb and Vick!

But to be serious, McNabb was pretty good and is the best QB they ever had!

[TripleSkeet]

Well let's be honest that Seattle is a completely different team on the road and losing their TE is a huge problem being he's their best weapon in my mind. That changed the game immediately. Also, Hasselback is NOT a top level qb or even close. Come on man. I'd put another 10+ guys ahead of him including Philly's backup and starter so I really don't see where TS is coming from on this one.

I consider him in the 2nd echelon of QBs right now. I guess the only reason I dont put Rodgers in that first tier is because he doesnt have the playoff wins and rings as the other guys in it, not because he doesnt have the talent. Hes definitely great, but I dont see Hasselbeck sucking as bad as everyone else. As an old man he did lead his team to victory over the champs and made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs with a mediocre team. I just dont put on the tier of QBs that are just getting better like Freeman or Stafford or QBs that just blow like Tavaris Jackson or Derreck Anderson.

[TripleSkeet]

The Eagles have had great QBs?

Who?

McNabb, Ron Jaworski, Cunningham.

[Justice4all]

TOUCHDOWN!
Finally!

[epo]

McNabb, Ron Jaworski, Cunningham.

All very good. None of them were great.

[TripleSkeet]

I cant believe how much the Jets are holding their own. I like both of these teams so I really dont have a rooting interest.

[TripleSkeet]

All very good. None of them were great.

Yea they were no Don Majkowski.

[TripleSkeet]

All very good. None of them were great.

Just curious, do you characterize Aaron Rodgers as great? Or just very good?

[epo]

Yea they were no Don Majkowski.

Not a great QB. Average at best.

Just because a guy is good for "my team" doesn't make him great. We devalue the great ones when we do that.

[epo]

Just curious, do you characterize Aaron Rodgers as great? Or just very good?

At this point Rodgers is very good. I take the long view before I classify someone as great.

[NickyL0885]

Jets D looking good so far. Hopefully they keep it up. Brady seems frustrated.

[spoon]

Ive said this 100 times before, part of being a great QB is leading your team to victory. Stats dont mean dick to me if they arent accompanied with wins. Thats why right now Tom Brady is showing why Peyton Manning is not the best QB, in the league right now, let alone of all time, and not even in the Top 3. 9-10 in the playoffs, fucking please.

And Phillys has plenty of great QBs, but none I would put in the Top 20 of all time, and yes not winning a Super Bowl has alot to do with that.

If Aaron Rodgers doesnt win a Super Bowl he never gets his name mentioned with the likes of Brady, Brees, Rothlisberger or Manning. Sorry but thats the way I measure QBs. They are the general on the field. If they fight valiantly but constantly lose the battle, then they arent the best general. Sorry.

I don't think Philly would have a top 20 guy even if Jaws won a title. Jurgenson and Van Broklin aren't even close regardless of old titles (Jurgenson's as a backup).

Also, I agree overall on ur rationale, but there are exceptions with guys making teams better that just don't stack up over an entire career. While I hold it against guys like Marino, I don't with guys like Archie Manning. There are plenty more, but I think you get my point. Yet think Jim Kelley, how much does this impact our vision of his career!? It would have done the same to Elway too.

[spoon]

I consider him in the 2nd echelon of QBs right now.

This is ok only if the 1st level contains 15+ qbs.

[TripleSkeet]

At this point Rodgers is very good. I take the long view before I classify someone as great.

Ok well then I can agree on that assement, which is how the conversation started to begin with. Id say hes very good, but not in the same tier as Brees, Brady, Rothlisberger or Manning who I consider top notch.

[Justice4all]

That was a stupid play to try right there.

[TripleSkeet]

I don't think Philly would have a top 20 guy even if Jaws won a title. Jurgenson and Van Broklin aren't even close regardless of old titles (Jurgenson's as a backup).

Also, I agree overall on ur rationale, but there are exceptions with guys making teams better that just don't stack up over an entire career. While I hold it against guys like Marino, I don't with guys like Archie Manning. There are plenty more, but I think you get my point. Yet think Jim Kelley, how much does this impact our vision of his career!? It would have done the same to Elway too.

I think McNabb wouldve been in the Top 20 if he couldve won a Super Bowl one of those years.

[spoon]

All very good. None of them were great.

Especially Cunningham. He was an exciting player but to me a shitty qb. Strong arm with little accuracy and ran too much. Sound familiar?

[HBox]

I think McNabb wouldve been in the Top 20 if he couldve won a Super Bowl one of those years.

Eh.... I think he would have been viewed that way but I think his weaknesses would put him just below the elite QBs in NFL history no matter what.

[sailor]

The pats D seems disinterested.

[TripleSkeet]

Eh.... I think he would have been viewed that way but I think his weaknesses would put him just below the elite QBs in NFL history no matter what.

I think Top 20 puts him below the elite QBs. In my opinon the best of the best would be Top 10.

[spoon]

Jets about due for a turnover soon.

[Barnaby Jones]

Ok well then I can agree on that assement, which is how the conversation started to begin with. Id say hes very good, but not in the same tier as Brees, Brady, Rothlisberger or Manning who I consider top notch.

Why not??? Just because he hasn't been to a SB???

[spoon]

nice routes boys!

[TripleSkeet]

Especially Cunningham. He was an exciting player but to me a shitty qb. Strong arm with little accuracy and ran too much. Sound familiar?

He revlutionized the position and the poor guy never had an offensive coordinator or anyone to coach him on how to QB his whole time in Philly. Thats my one big fault with Buddy, he didnt care enough about the offense to try and make Randall the weapon he could be. When he came to Minnesota he showed what some coaching could do for him, but he had lost so much before he even got there.

[Barnaby Jones]

Ive said this 100 times before, part of being a great QB is leading your team to victory. Stats dont mean dick to me if they arent accompanied with wins. Thats why right now Tom Brady is showing why Peyton Manning is not the best QB, in the league right now, let alone of all time, and not even in the Top 3. 9-10 in the playoffs, fucking please.

Interesting how you toss the differences in coaching right out the fucking window!!! It's like you view QB's as completely running the team!!!

[spoon]

Rodgers is EASILY one of the best QBs out there right now, his career picture doesn't mean shit until he's done. Judging him in the now, he's fucking awesome. This whole conversation is odd.

[epo]

Ok well then I can agree on that assement, which is how the conversation started to begin with. Id say hes very good, but not in the same tier as Brees, Brady, Rothlisberger or Manning who I consider top notch.

I take it the other way: the only greats playing right now are Brady and Manning. Thats it.

[TripleSkeet]

Why not??? Just because he hasn't been to a SB???

Yes. Its a simple equation.

Stats - Big Wins = DICK.

[spoon]

He revlutionized the position and the poor guy never had an offensive coordinator or anyone to coach him on how to QB his whole time in Philly. Thats my one big fault with Buddy, he didnt care enough about the offense to try and make Randall the weapon he could be. When he came to Minnesota he showed what some coaching could do for him, but he had lost so much before he even got there.

No.

[spoon]

I take it the other way: the only greats playing right now are Brady and Manning. Thats it.

Right but there may be more that are just fucking starting and or finding their own. It's stupid to argue full careers versus guys like Rodgers. The best way to call it overall is TBD over time. You can pit them all against each other once careers are over.

[TripleSkeet]

Interesting how you toss the differences in coaching right out the fucking window!!! It's like you view QB's as completely running the team!!!

They are the leaders on the field. They are more responsible for that offense then any other player on the field.

[spoon]

Yes. Its a simple equation.

Stats - Big Wins = DICK.

It's not even CLOSE to that simple.

[TripleSkeet]

No.

Yea well thats how I see it.

[spoon]

They are the leaders on the field. They are more responsible for that offense then any other player on the field.

They have a HUGE impact on special teams and defense too! :wallbash:

[Snacks]

Interesting how you toss the differences in coaching right out the fucking window!!! It's like you view QB's as completely running the team!!!

exactly. the rest of the team and the coaching staff have lots to do with a QB's success! Stats are truly the best way to talk about how good a qb is. You cant use anything else because its what he did on the field. He cant control what the def does or how poorly a coaches decisions effect his wins or loses!

Similar to a pitcher in baseball. You cant use wins as the deciding factor because if his team doesnt hit he wont get any. His era, whip, k's etc is what tells you how good the pitcher is!

IMO!

[TripleSkeet]

It's not even CLOSE to that simple.

Sure it is. If Peyton Manning never even made it to a Super Bowl would ANYONE still try calling him the greatest QB ever???? NO FUCKING WAY. And rightfully so.

[spoon]

Yea well thats how I see it.

He's an old Eagle, of course that's how you see it.

He was also an all-star dad of hottubbing with 2 year old kids in Vegas.

[epo]

Right but there may be more that are just fucking starting and or finding their own. It's stupid to argue full careers versus guys like Rodgers. The best way to call it overall is TBD over time. You can pit them all against each other once careers are over.

I have no problem with that. I just think we are in too big of a hurry to call someone great.

[epo]

He revlutionized the position and the poor guy never had an offensive coordinator or anyone to coach him on how to QB his whole time in Philly. Thats my one big fault with Buddy, he didnt care enough about the offense to try and make Randall the weapon he could be. When he came to Minnesota he showed what some coaching could do for him, but he had lost so much before he even got there.

Stop being a homer.

[TripleSkeet]

They have a HUGE impact on special teams and defense too! :wallbash:

Out of every position except maybe NHL goalie they have more direct impact on the success or failure of their team then any other position in any sport. You guys gotta be fucking kidding me. Now they get zero accountability for their team??? Stats mean most??? FUCKING JOKE.

[spoon]

Wow the Pats look like shit and Brady is fazed. This has become a BORING jet style game. Not good NE.

[sailor]

Be nice to see bb's trying to be overly cute come back to bite them.

[Snacks]

We need to blame Brady for Chung fucking up that snap. If they lose its all Brady's fault and he will no longer be great!

[spoon]

Out of every position except maybe NHL goalie they have more direct impact on the success or failure of their team then any other position in any sport. You guys gotta be fucking kidding me. Now they get zero accountability for their team??? Stats mean most??? FUCKING JOKE.

Nobody said that either TS.

[spoon]

We need to blame Brady for Chung fucking up that snap. If they lose its all Brady's fault and he will no longer be great!

:lol:

[TripleSkeet]

Stop being a homer.

He had a higher QB rating, more passing yardage, more passing TDs and less picks then Bart Starr.....in 30 less games too.

[Justice4all]

That's GREAT. The fake punt gets screwed up.

[spoon]

Sanchez just WANTS/NEEDS to throw a pic in the final two!

Come on do it!

[sailor]

TD!!

[NickyL0885]

Braylon Edwards is MONEY!

[Snacks]

At least if the Jets win Brady wont have another chance at another SB. Also losing will be a huge mark against Brady. You know because a QB losing at home is all his fault and ways heavy on his shoulders! Its all about the QB!

[spoon]

This is tough to watch. All it means is the jets will buy into the bullshit talking/bravado and next week will be unbearable. Please NE get ur shit together and win this. I'd much rather root for both teams to lose somehow next week versus EVER rooting for Pitt. :wallbash:

[TripleSkeet]

Wow the Pats look like shit and Brady is fazed. This has become a BORING jet style game. Not good NE.

Im stunned. They are taking it to the Jets. Man people are gonna be PISSED around here if they pull this off.

[HBox]

Imagine how this game would be if the Jets hadn't fucked up that drive after the INT? Fuck.

[spoon]

Braylon Edwards is MONEY!

And probably drunk.

[TripleSkeet]

At least if the Jets win Brady wont have another chance at another SB. Also losing will be a huge mark against Brady. You know because a QB losing at home is all his fault and ways heavy on his shoulders! Its all about the QB!

With 3 Super Bowl wins throwing to nobodies and another trip there hes already the 2nd greatest QB of all time regardless what happens here. All hes doing now is chasing down that 4th ring so he can pass Joe Cool as #1.

[sailor]

Take your argument about crappy Philly qb's to a thread that cares about them.

[Snacks]

This is tough to watch. All it means is the jets will buy into the bullshit talking/bravado and next week will be unbearable. Please NE get ur shit together and win this. I'd much rather root for both teams to lose somehow next week versus EVER rooting for Pitt. :wallbash:

I dont know if you listen to Boomer and Carton. If you do can you imagine how much shit Carton will talk this week?

All this means is Pitt will get another SB trip hopefully the NFC can beat whoever goes to the SB from the AFC.

[epo]

He had a higher QB rating, more passing yardage, more passing TDs and less picks then Bart Starr.....in 30 less games too.

You are still being a homer.

[sailor]

This is tough to watch. All it means is the jets will buy into the bullshit talking/bravado and next week will be unbearable. Please NE get ur shit together and win this. I'd much rather root for both teams to lose somehow next week versus EVER rooting for Pitt. :wallbash:

So, you basically hate every team left?

[TripleSkeet]

You are still being a homer.

I know. Hes still not in Starrs league, I just wanted you to say it and say why.

[TripleSkeet]

So, you basically hate every team left?

I think he likes Green bay, maybe.

[Justice4all]

Ok this was not what I was expecting. I mean I'll take it but the Pats do NOT look like themselves. And that was a stupid penalty on the O lineman. But there's still one half to go.

If the Pats done come out swinging I will be surprised.

[epo]

I know. Hes still not in Starrs league, I just wanted you to say it and say why.

I'm not your dancing monkey.

[spoon]

So, you basically hate every team left?

all but gb

[underdog]

Well, that was embarrassing.

[spoon]

Take your argument about crappy Philly qb's to a thread that cares about them.

It's amazing how often people make this thread about their teams! It's either Miami is the fan's favorite and classy org, Jet's are not a classless org, Manning is the Giant's biggest issue, McNabb is worse than AIDs and Kolb will toss 30-35 tds.

Oh and by the way, Turner sucks!

[sailor]

all but gb

Pitt-gb would make me happy.

[spoon]

NE really needs a big first drive here. The sack story is unreal and unexpected to say the least.

[spoon]

Pitt-gb would make me happy.

Yah, I guess...if GB wins.

[spoon]

And Rothlesberger gets raped by an ex-con Chris Meloni oz-style during pro-bowl week.

[sailor]

Perfect time for another fake.

[Snacks]

Pitt-gb would make me happy.

as long as GB won I would be happy too!

[epo]

I'm starting to think that this isn't the Hoodie's day.

[spoon]

I'm starting to think that this isn't the Hoodie's day.

still a shot to pull this off

[spoon]

total attempt to spear by #57 there on Edelman.

[NickyL0885]

Jets getting good pressure on Brady.

[sailor]

Pats sure look crappy. I think they were expecting the jets to roll over after that blow-out. Maybe Opie was right.

[spoon]

Pats sure look crappy. I think they were expecting the jets to roll over after that blow-out. Maybe Opie was right.

No and No.

I'm really starting to think all these stalled drives past mid-field are going to come back to haunt the Jets. They've been here all f'n day and not even one FG. It's still only a two score game, one could still be a FG too if they get the 2pt conversion. Some huge stops in there, but Brady and the O need to get it going. And oh boy does the Jet's punter BLOW!

[spoon]

To be perfectly honest, both teams look like shit. The Jets just a little less.

[Ritalin]

This isn't over. Not even close.

[Ritalin]

No and No.

I'm really starting to think all these stalled drives past mid-field are going to come back to haunt the Jets. They've been here all f'n day and not even one FG. It's still only a two score game, one could still be a FG too if they get the 2pt conversion. Some huge stops in there, but Brady and the O need to get it going. And oh boy does the Jet's punter BLOW!

This.

The Jets are keeping them in the game.

[spoon]

There you go!

[disneyspy]

This isn't over. Not even close.

i dont know,underdog/(who's from boston and a pats fan) and i were on the phone and he said "its going to be wicked haad for the pats to come baack"

[spoon]

P

A

T

S

PATS PATS PATS!!!

[spoon]

i dont know,underdog/(who's from boston and a pats fan) and i were on the phone and he said "its going to be wicked haad for the pats to come baack"

Only an idiot would give you their number...explains A LOT! :devil2:

[disneyspy]

Only an idiot would give you their number...explains A LOT! :devil2:

i already told you,i'll call you AFTER the game

[sailor]

Who said it was over? You're arguing points that weren't made.

[Ritalin]

I hate it when broadcasters call owners "mister". Mister Kraft, Mister Mara. Francesca does it too. It's so cloyingly deferential.

Unless they don't like them. For example, Francesca says "Mister Mara" but calls the Jets owner "Woody".

[spoon]

i already told you,i'll call you AFTER the game

By call do you mean western union?

[disneyspy]

dear spoon STOP
you're an idiot STOP
hope all is well STOP
your pal STOP
disneyspy STOP

[spoon]

Who said it was over? You're arguing points that weren't made.

NOTHING IS OVER!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_REkgXByDyuU/S6D7Vn3kQdI/AAAAAAAAGeo/YoDFRW2yTbc/s400/John_Belushi.jpg

[razorboy]

Holy shit. Paint chips went flying off one of their helmets.

[sailor]

They made it, but it was dumb to go for two there. It's too early to know what you'll need late in the game.

[spoon]

I hate it when broadcasters call owners "mister". Mister Kraft, Mister Mara. Francesca does it too. It's so cloyingly deferential.

Unless they don't like them. For example, Francesca says "Mister Mara" but calls the Jets owner "Woody".

I agree. Mister razorboy is a pretty good poster, now ritalin, udog and dspy, not so much!

:wink:

[Ritalin]

So, Did Aaron Rodgers Really Snub A Cancer Patient?

From Deadspin:

By Brian Hickey, Jan 16, 2011 06:05 PM
Granted, athletes can't sign autographs for everybody, but it's generally a bad move to ignore a cancer patient the local TV station is doing a story on. A story about how she really wants to meet you. [WBAY]

UPDATE: Mike Florio ripped into Rodgers a couple hours ago, including an update about the story being taken down by the Green Bay affiliate. [Pro Football Talk] In Rodgers' defense, he does have ear buds in.

[spoon]

They made it, but it was dumb to go for two there. It's too early to know what you'll need late in the game.

Eh, I see the logic in such a D-centric game.

Ha! Isn't that the game tenbats plays with Gaz during the holidays?

[hanso]

Woke up from my nap same time as the Pats. Game on!

[underdog]

i dont know,underdog/(who's from boston and a pats fan) and i were on the phone and he said "its going to be wicked haad for the pats to come baack"

I don't have an accent.

I've been trying to tell everyone all year the Patriots weren't as great as they looked, the rest of the league was just fucking horrible. If teams get their shit together, the Patriots suddenly don't look good.

[underdog]

Wtf?!

[Snacks]

Eh, I see the logic in such a D-centric game.

Ha! Isn't that the game tenbats plays with Gaz during the holidays?

I think you go for it there because you might not have another chance. At least know what youre working with. If you get it you know a fg is what you need. But if you miss you now know td.

I hate Simms he seems to never know whats going on. He makes mistakes on everything and misses everything. He called grounding before on Brady when Brady threw the ball to woodhead on the ground. Only after seeing a replay did he see a player. I know that everyone makes these mistakes but he makes 10 or more a game. Its like he cant see the field!

[HBox]

All Santonio Holmes does is catch amazing TDs.

[Snacks]

What an answer by the Jets! wow this is a surprise!

[disneyspy]

that TD was wicked retaaded

[NickyL0885]

You can put it on the boooooooooooard, YES! TD Jets!

[Snacks]

All Santonio Holmes does is catch amazing TDs.

and smoke weed and fuck around on punt returns allowing balls to almost touch him when he shouldnt be even close to the live ball....

[razorboy]

I agree. Mister razorboy is a pretty good poster, now ritalin, udog and dspy, not so much!

:wink:

Mister razorboy is my Father's name.

[Justice4all]

I think you go for it there because you might not have another chance. At least know what youre working with. If you get it you know a fg is what you need. But if you miss you now know td.

I hate Simms he seems to never know whats going on. He makes mistakes on everything and misses everything. He called grounding before on Brady when Brady threw the ball to woodhead on the ground. Only after seeing a replay did he see a player. I know that everyone makes these mistakes but he makes 10 or more a game. Its like he cant see the field!

Woodhead was lying down after being hit on the ground BEFORE Brady threw the ball.

[Justice4all]

God DAMN does it look like Woodhead is out to prove a point to the Jets.

[Justice4all]

GREAT heads up by Brady to keep that ball from being swatted out of his hands. Shows what a good QB he is.

[underdog]

What the fuck kind of drive is this? They've just been wasting time. Now if they fail on this drive, they have even less time to score twice!

Arg. What the fuck.

[HBox]

I don't know if this an amazing performance by the Jets defense or the complete lack of talent on offense for the Pats has finally caught up with them.

[sailor]

Eh, they were down 5, kick to cut to 4, jet fg makes it 7. Td ties it. Miss the 2 pointer and a fg makes pats get a td and make a 2 pointer. You just don't know how it will shake out and it was too early. It's not like they were down 16 or 24 and they knew they needed to make a few 2 pointers. Heck, they're down 10 now, had they failed their two try they'd be down 12 and need two td's.

[disneyspy]

the pats just look wicked taad

[sailor]

BB just fucking this team now.

[OGC]

Fuck


Randy Moss would have caught that.

[epo]

Wow. The Pats have played horrible today, but give the Jets all of the credit in the world for todays game.

[HBox]

They finally get a chance to throw to Branch with Revis on the sideline in a crucial situation and Brady throws an awful pass.

[spoon]

I hate Simms he seems to never know whats going on. He makes mistakes on everything and misses everything. He called grounding before on Brady when Brady threw the ball to woodhead on the ground. Only after seeing a replay did he see a player. I know that everyone makes these mistakes but he makes 10 or more a game. Its like he cant see the field!

Like when he claimed a Jet fell on the ball and it's theirs, only to see the replay later where he then critiques the Jet players for, "not falling on the ball". Idiot and turning into quite a NY homer in his coverage.

[spoon]

You can put it on the boooooooooooard, YES! TD Jets!

Did you just make a play on one of the worst announcers of all sports, the hawk? Fucking awful.

[Snacks]

Woodhead was lying down after being hit on the ground BEFORE Brady threw the ball.

He was still in the area meaning not grounding. As the official said as soon as it happened but shit bag Simms missed!

[spoon]

Woodhead was lying down after being hit on the ground BEFORE Brady threw the ball.

So?

[HBox]

They sure as fuck better hurry up this time.

[spoon]

Eh, they were down 5, kick to cut to 4, jet fg makes it 7. Td ties it. Miss the 2 pointer and a fg makes pats get a td and make a 2 pointer. You just don't know how it will shake out and it was too early. It's not like they were down 16 or 24 and they knew they needed to make a few 2 pointers. Heck, they're down 10 now, had they failed their two try they'd be down 12 and need two td's.

logical! :wallbash:

that reads like a frankblack post

[Snacks]

Like when he claimed a Jet fell on the ball and it's theirs, only to see the replay later where he then critiques the Jet players for, "not falling on the ball". Idiot and turning into quite a NY homer in his coverage.

I hate him because he doesnt know what hes talking about in general but yes he does seem to be a NY homer when doing Jets games!

[NickyL0885]

Did you just make a play on one of the worst announcers of all sports, the hawk? Fucking awful.

I think he's awful too but his home run call is so bad, it's funny.

[spoon]

Fuck


Randy Moss would have caught that.

They miss Seymore worse.

[OGC]

Wow. The Pats have played horrible today, but give the Jets all of the credit in the world for todays game.


agreed, the Pats played like crap cuz the Jets had them off balance all day.

still hoping for a miracle here though

[hanso]

Lower a shoulder / stiff arm that punter # 11!

[spoon]

Wow the Jets have even taken the title away from the Pats on faking injuries now. Unreal how NY has taken all the important titles.

[sailor]

logical! :wallbash:

that reads like a frankblack post

Who dat?

[spoon]

Scott and Revis look sooooo hurt. Fucking just watched the replay, he was fine after the play and going to the huddle until he saw it was hurry up time.

[HBox]

Wow the Jets have even taken the title away from the Pats on faking injuries now. Unreal how NY has taken all the important titles.

That's what I was thinking. Usually I get pissed off from that shit but if anyone deserves it it's the Pats.

[epo]

Who dat?


LAL!

[HBox]

It's probably good for the Pats that they couldn't get that off because that was a REALLY bad idea.

[underdog]

Thanks for wasting all that time on the last drive, Patriots. That was fucking smart.

[disneyspy]

Thanks for wasting all that time on the last drive, Patriots. That was fucking smart.

you mean smaat

[sailor]

Why rush the fg there? It'll be a dead ball anyway and you only save like 5 seconds.

[Justice4all]

Scott and Revis look sooooo hurt. Fucking just watched the replay, he was fine after the play and going to the huddle until he saw it was hurry up time.

Do me a favor...explain to me how faking an injury on defense, which stops the clock, hurts the Patriots when it gives them time to organize a play instead of just doing a hurry up?

Really. I fail to see how it would benefit the Jets.

[spoon]

http://7is.neswblogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/frankblack-baseball.jpg

[sailor]

I stand corrected...3 seconds.

[underdog]

Arrrrrg.

[spoon]

Do me a favor...explain to me how faking an injury on defense, which stops the clock, hurts the Patriots when it gives them time to organize a play instead of just doing a hurry up?

Really. I fail to see how it would benefit the Jets.

You may want to edit this post so it's blank asap! :flush:

[underdog]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.

That almost fucking worked.

[Justice4all]

OH YEA! Way to fuck up the on-sides kick!!

[HBox]

Do me a favor...explain to me how faking an injury on defense, which stops the clock, hurts the Patriots when it gives them time to organize a play instead of just doing a hurry up?

Really. I fail to see how it would benefit the Jets.

So the D isn't rushing around trying call a play? So that no one is caught out of position leading to a big play? So they can get the substitutions they want?

I don't think Revis was faking because he's too important to the D to sit on a 4th down, though.

[sailor]

Play action would be killer here. (obviously unneeded tho')

[Justice4all]

You may want to edit this post so it's blank asap! :flush:

No I am serious. I have admitted to not having the same kind of understanding because, as fucked up as it might sound, Snacks is right, since I never played HS or college ball there might be some things I don't get that others do.

I saw it as a help to the Pats instead of the Jets when the clock stopped. How am I wrong?

[epo]

OH YEA! Way to fuck up the on-sides kick!!

How do you "fuck up" an onside kick? Its a unlikely crapshoot by definition and the Pats had a real shot.

[HBox]

God this week is going to be unbearable.