Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and Staff Shot in Arizona

[CountryBob]

Remember Waco ?

I am suddenly wanting Taco's now...:dry:

[Snacks]

Remember Waco ?

yeah the cult that locked themselves? You are comparing that to the wars? Wow youre an asshole. Maybe if you tried real hard you could compare it to Katrina but that mess was once again worse.

[Dudeman]

This is WF's debate tactic we've all come to love. He has a debate with someone who does not exist. Especially when he's clearly wrong, he will argue against a point no one made.

only rand paul can save us now

http://bluewavenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/rand_paul_stomp.jpg

[StanUpshaw]

Why don't you guys just shoot each other?

[Dudeman]

Why don't you guys just shoot each other?

I can do something better. Wanna watch WF's head explode.... well, the only problem with the stimulus was that it wasn't big enough!!!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

yeah the cult that locked themselves? You are comparing that to the wars? Wow youre an asshole. Maybe if you tried real hard you could compare it to Katrina but that mess was once again worse.

Im not downplaying the wars you clod.


Great solution burn down a ranch to the ground. Clinton and Reno could have managed it much better than that.


Yes I know Heck of a job Brownie. I get it the feds dropped the ball

Typical douchebag response when it was the state and local governments given 5 days advanced warning. Good try though

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I can do something better. Wanna watch WF's head explode.... well, the only problem with the stimulus was that it wasn't big enough!!!!!

Paul Krugman called. He wants his column back.


Whats next? Who's Krugman ??

[Snacks]

Im not downplaying the wars you clod.


Great solution burn down a ranch to the ground. Clinton and Reno could have managed it much better than that.


Yes I know Heck of a job Brownie. I get it the feds dropped the ball

Typical douchebag response when it was the state and local governments given 5 days advanced warning. Good try though

maybe if the right would stop giving the rich all the money instead of putting money back into society, maybe the levies wouldnt have been so shitty in the 1st place!

[midwestjeff]

He was the messy one, right?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

only rand paul can save us now

http://bluewavenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/rand_paul_stomp.jpg

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Barack Obama "stickin it" to the GOP


SEIU BECAUSE EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE "COVERED"


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[WRESTLINGFAN]

maybe if the right would stop giving the rich all the money instead of putting money back into society, maybe the levies wouldnt have been so shitty in the 1st place!

Maybe if N.O. wasn't a corrupt city all the money generated from Superbowls, Conventions tourism would go to upkeep and maintenence.

[Dudeman]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.politicsdaily.com/media/2010/10/rand-paul-aqua-buddha-427jc102610-1288121792.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wB_B2FyhJMM/TGSgu29oV2I/AAAAAAAACaQ/s5PrTNUna8U/s400/Picture+1.png

[Tenbatsuzen]

So when you have public officials calling Obama "Anti-American", shouting "liar" at him, etc etc, it's a tiny tad bit different than what was happening with Bush.

Nah, just Sens. Feingold and Leahy wanted Bush prosecuted as a WAR CRIMINAL. Like Genocidal maniacs or... wait for it... NAZIS!

[Dudeman]

Maybe if N.O. wasn't a corrupt city all the money generated from Superbowls, Conventions tourism would go to upkeep and maintenence.

That's Right!!! They got what they deserved. Shut down all governments.

[StanUpshaw]

Divisive rhetoric is tearing this country apart, you teabagging cunts!!!!!

[KC2OSO]

He was the messy one, right?
No, the Asian one. :wink:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That's Right!!! They got what they deserved. Shut down all governments.

The people of N.O. were intially screwed over by their LOCAL gov't.

[midwestjeff]

The people of N.O. were intially screwed over by their LOCAL gov't.

Pretty sure they were initially screwed by a hurricane.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The people of N.O. were intially screwed over by their LOCAL gov't.

Sadly, this. It's easy to blame Bush for the Katrina mess, but 3/4 of the blame fall on the New Orleans Mayor and the Louisiana Governor.

[Dudeman]

The people of N.O. were intially screwed over by their LOCAL gov't.

Right!!! Let them suffer! Let them die! (Or let a some charities and churches deliver some clothes and water, but nothing more.)

[angrymissy]

Nah, just Sens. Feingold and Leahy wanted Bush prosecuted as a WAR CRIMINAL. Like Genocidal maniacs or... wait for it... NAZIS!

They in no, way, shape or form called Bush a nazi. They went for impeachment proceedings based on the their opinion that he led us into the Iraq war based on information that was basically lies... and toeing the Geneva Convention line when it came to torture. Actually, pretty legitimate reasons. Bush did x and x, which we feel violates x and x, so we are moving for impeachment.

They did not say "Bush is a Nazi". "Bush is anti-American".

Can you find me any real instances of elected officials acting in the way that the people I posted did? Obama has been president for 2 years, I found like 7 absurd ones instantly.

[Dudeman]

Sadly, this. It's easy to blame Bush for the Katrina mess, but 3/4 of the blame fall on the New Orleans Mayor and the Louisiana Governor.

Those are just details. Here's the bottom line- follow my logic:

some governement money was put into the levees

the levees failed

therefore, putting government money into services is a failure

therefore all government services are failures

therefore never fund the government

therefore let churches and charities manage all leeves

(right wf?)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Those are just details. Here's the bottom line- follow my logic:

some governement money was put into the levees

the levees failed

therefore, putting government money into services is a failure

therefore all government services are failures

therefore never fund the government

therefore let churches and charities manage all leeves

(right wf?)

Is it my fault the local and state government were corrupt thugs?

[angrymissy]

thugs, amirite? :smoke:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So will Ron Paul be the next one to draw criticism because Loughner wanted a gold standard?

[Dudeman]

Is it my fault the local and state government were corrupt thugs?

No, certainly not your fault! So let them suffer, it was clearly their fault. And absolutely stop funding any government services because it leads to nothing but corruption by thugs!!

[Dudeman]

So will Ron Paul be the next one to draw criticism because Loughner wanted a gold standard?

Originally Posted by foodcourtdruide
This is WF's debate tactic we've all come to love. He has a debate with someone who does not exist. Especially when he's clearly wrong, he will argue against a point no one made.

:smile:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No, certainly not your fault! So let them suffer, it was clearly their fault. And absolutely stop funding any government services because it leads to nothing but corruption by thugs!!

Again youre drawing silly conclusions that I want DC to become Mogadishu. Local governments should be funding levees. Unfortunately the local governments pissed away money to who know's what? Nagin, Landrieu et al were given 5 days warning about Katrina. The Mentality was they survived Camille and Katrina would not be so bad. The actual hurricane was not the problem It was the flooding. Youre telling me all the revenue generated from tourism Superbowls Mardi Gras etc could not go into maintaining levees?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

:smile:

We are talking about crosshairs made by stupid Politicians. One of his diatribles mentioned the Gold standard... Follow ?

[Zorro]

Why don't you guys just shoot each other?

Your comment makes me smile.

Its inappropriateness is awesome

[Snacks]

Is it my fault the local and state government were corrupt thugs?

why are they corrupt because the city is a majority of minorities? Anyone can throw out the words corrupt, thugs, theirs etc but the proof is Bush and his boys have done everything in their power to separate the rich from the middle class and below. There has never been a gap like this in the history of this country and they are thief's stealing and making money off the back of others. They are also corrupt by creating unfair advantage by using their power to help on their group not the entire country!

[A.J.]

Again youre drawing silly conclusions that I want DC to become Mogadishu.

It was back in the 80s.

[Snacks]

Again youre drawing silly conclusions that I want DC to become Mogadishu. Local governments should be funding levees. Unfortunately the local governments pissed away money to who know's what? Nagin, Landrieu et al were given 5 days warning about Katrina. The Mentality was they survived Camille and Katrina would not be so bad. The actual hurricane was not the problem It was the flooding. Youre telling me all the revenue generated from tourism Superbowls Mardi Gras etc could not go into maintaining levees?

why should local govt do this? those levees are part of our borders, they are also a huge part of import and export to America for other areas. This should be handled by both federal and local govt.

[Zorro]

Divisive rhetoric is tearing this country apart, you teabagging cunts!!!!!

"Why can't we all get along?"

[Dude!]

why are they corrupt because the city is a majority of minorities? Anyone can throw out the words corrupt, thugs, theirs etc but the proof is Bush and his boys have done everything in their power to separate the rich from the middle class and below. There has never been a gap like this in the history of this country and they are thief's stealing and making money off the back of others. They are also corrupt by creating unfair advantage by using their power to help on their group not the entire country!

that post is utter claptrap

[Snacks]

that post is utter claptrap

tell me when there was since we have become a nation? call it whatever you want the fact is since the industrial revolution and explosion of business and earnings there has never been a larger gap in this country between the rich and everyone else.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

why are they corrupt because the city is a majority of minorities? Anyone can throw out the words corrupt, thugs, theirs etc but the proof is Bush and his boys have done everything in their power to separate the rich from the middle class and below. There has never been a gap like this in the history of this country and they are thief's stealing and making money off the back of others. They are also corrupt by creating unfair advantage by using their power to help on their group not the entire country!

Do you need to bring race into it? Corrupt politicians come in all colors. You want to throw out words like income gap.

This is going to make your head spin....



If we import poverty we get more poverty. In the past 25 years we have been importing cheap labor so there's a big part of your income gap right there.

[Dudeman]

Again youre drawing silly conclusions that I want DC to become Mogadishu.

no i didn't, but...

Originally Posted by foodcourtdruide
This is WF's debate tactic we've all come to love. He has a debate with someone who does not exist. Especially when he's clearly wrong, he will argue against a point no one made.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

no i didn't, but...

How am I wrong about this? Can this be explained any more clear ?

[CountryBob]

Off to the barn to shuck some corn and shovel some horse shit... you see I'm country - Country Bob!

[Furtherman]

It's about time you people starting taking WF not seriously. You can't argue with an ibex.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It's about time you people starting taking WF not seriously. You can't argue with an ibex.

You cant argue with someone who downplays weird rhetoric by the left who thinks because they have a small audience its not a problem

Palin should have chosen her words more wisely. Im not trying to make excuses for Palin but that nut Loughner has been stalking Giffords since 2007 way before anyone who knew Palin was.

[underdog]

You cant argue with someone who downplays weird rhetoric by the left who thinks because they have a small audience its not a problem

You're really good at missing (or maybe just ignoring) points.

[Zorro]

This thread is it makes me feel smarter than I am.

[Ogre]

"Why can't we all get along?"

http://media.80stees.com/images/products/Frankie_Says_Dont_Do_It-T.jpg

[Dudeman]

How am I wrong about this? Can this be explained any more clear ?

No, you're totally right. Because the only two choices are Washinton DC 2011 and Mogadishu.

And you've never argued that churches and charties can provide social services better than governement:

Originally Posted by WRESTLINGFAN
Yes it is pony up bytchezzz. If they feel they should pay more than they are free to do so.

As far as private charity being better than government? Here it is


http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/cpr-18n6-1.html

"Private efforts have been much more successful than the federal government's failed attempt at charity. America is the most generous nation on earth. Americans already contribute more than $125 billion annually to charity. In fact, more than 85 percent of all adult Americans make some charitable contribution each year. In addition, about half of all American adults perform volunteer work; more than 20 billion hours were worked in 1991. The dollar value of that volunteer work was more than $176 billion. Volunteer work and cash donations combined bring American charitable contributions to more than $300 billion per year, not counting the countless dollars and time given informally to family members, neighbors, and others outside the formal charity system.

Private charities have been more successful than government welfare for several reasons. First, private charities are able to individualize their approach to the circumstances of poor people in ways that governments can never do. Government regulations must be designed to treat all similarly situated recipients alike. Glenn C. Loury of Boston University explains the difference between welfare and private charities on that point. "Because citizens have due process rights which cannot be fully abrogated . . . public judgments must be made in a manner that can be defended after the fact, sometimes even in court." The result is that most government programs rely on the simple provision of cash or other goods and services without any attempt to differentiate between the needs of recipients."


And you've never mocked the attempts of government to provide serivces or implied that if that if there was a failure, it would be better to stop the geovernment service rather than improve it:

Originally Posted by WRESTLINGFAN
-A charity is going to go investigate an allegation of child abuse instead of Child Protective Services?

Child Protectiver services? You cant be that serious!!!

-A charity is going to inspect the structural integrity of bridges to make sure they don't collapse and kill people?

What happened in Minnesota a few years ago?

-A charity is going to inspect a mine shaft or factory to make sure the hard working "real" Americans aren't being subjected to unsafe working conditions?

With all these regulations accidents STILL HAPPEN

A charity is going to make sure contaminated food or drugs don't make it onto the market killing innocent people?

Have you read about toxins in our drinking water-

-A charity is going to provide serivces that make sure mentally ill homeless individuals take their vital daily medications to make sure they are on the street as a danger to themselves and other innocent individuals?

Government hosptials are such a success story haaa

All of those services are currently underfunded. And that's all you've got? Charities and the power of the free market are going to solve all of the country's ills? You continue to show how divorced you are from the real world and the problems of real word people.
:bye:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No, you're totally right. Because the only two choices are Washinton DC 2011 and Mogadishu.

And you've never argued that churches and charties can provide social services better than governement:




And you've never mocked the attempts of government to provide serivces or implied that if that if there was a failure, it would be better to stop the geovernment service rather than improve it:


:bye:



Hola!!!


There was no FEMA during the Fire in Chicago in the late 1800's or the SF quake of 1906

Since the 1960's for example LBJ's great society pissed away trillions to fight poverty and inner city decay. 45 years later look at the successes of St Louis, Detroit and Chicago.



GSE's like Fannie and Freddie are billions in the red. Everybody has a right to own a house right?

As far as gov't failing at its duties instead of trimming down a new bureaucracy is formed.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

More evidence this guy was all over the place.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gutbUc8KWEv3iMUewPN445D4uSYw?docId=c09a07a17 e1b4aaa82815779cbf6f758

[underdog]

This thread is it makes me feel smarter than I am.

:happy:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies."
Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight."


"Democrat pollster Mark Penn appeared on MSNBC’s Hardball and said that President Clinton reconnected with his speech after the Oklahoma City bombings, and Obama needs a similar situation to do the same."

[Zorro]

Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies."
Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight."

Dude, give it up. It's over you're flailing at air.

[Barnaby Jones]

Hey, WF!!! Remember when you got all incredulous when I said that NOBODY actually agrees with you here??

Bet that blog idea seems pretty welcoming right now!!!

:devil2::devil2::devil2::devil2:

[angrymissy]

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/7/2011/01/500x_custom_1294693684498_beck.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Dude, give it up. It's over you're flailing at air.

I was asked if there was a major politician said words to incite violence. YOU GOT IT FROM THE PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Hey, WF!!! Remember when you got all incredulous when I said that NOBODY actually agrees with you here??

Bet that blog idea seems pretty welcoming right now!!!

:devil2::devil2::devil2::devil2:

Youre the one who's delusional. Obama spews out lines and you dismiss it. Pathetic

[angrymissy]

I was asked if there was a major politician said words to incite violence. YOU GOT IT FROM THE PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, that's not exactly inciting violence. Give me a break.

"Itching for a fight". Seriously? Coincidentally, these are the same two lines I'm seeing repeated by Right Wingers everywhere today. You know it's not the same, give it up.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Dude, give it up. It's over you're flailing at air.

So he didnt say those words. Must have been his evil look alike ?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yeah, that's not exactly inciting violence. Give me a break.

During the dream act debate he tells latinos to PUNISH THEIR ENEMIES!!!!!!!!

[angrymissy]

During the dream act debate he tells latinos to PUNISH THEIR ENEMIES!!!!!!!!

In the VOTING BOOTH.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2382/1574576278_842b8978b1.jpg

[Furtherman]

During the dream act debate he tells latinos to PUNISH THEIR ENEMIES!!!!!!!!

:lol:

You can't win.

[Zorro]

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n67/Chas4604/Manchin-Gun.jpg

[Furtherman]

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/7/2011/01/500x_custom_1294693684498_beck.jpg

Fantastic.





And already pulled down from his site. I'll give his webmaster props.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

In the VOTING BOOTH.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2382/1574576278_842b8978b1.jpg

How about the illegals? They can't vote. But maybe they are taking his advice

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[Furtherman]

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n67/Chas4604/Manchin-Gun.jpg

Hey, is that guy at surveyor practice?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

:lol:

You can't win.

Just did look at the youtube vid i posted

[angrymissy]

How about the illegals? They can't vote. But maybe they are taking his advice

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Now you're really grasping.

[angrymissy]

Fantastic.

And already pulled down from his site. I'll give his webmaster props.

The image in the background is some sort of rotating random image, you might still be able to get it!

I just almost vomited hitting refresh over and over and seeing different smirks on his face so I'm gonna quit trying.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Politicians want to use this to push their agenda. Fucking sickening. Jim Clyburn is talking about the fairness doctrine. Theres talk about banning signs with swastikas etc. Christina Taylor Greens father said these words. I wish the politicians were as sensible as him

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Come on Hillary really ?


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/10/administration-world-arizona-shooting-shows-extremists/#content

Yes this was a tragedy but we are not Pakistan, Yemen or Iraq

[keithy_19]

I hate this thread.

[Jujubees2]

I hate this thread.

Mega dittos...

[Barnaby Jones]

WF is losing it, yet he's practically begging to be smacked down time and time again!!! I knew it was some weird masochism thing!!!

WF, be honest: do you think you're convincing anyone here over any of your points about anything??? Do you think anyone actually ever agrees with you???

[StanUpshaw]

I hate this thread.

Poser. I was hating this thread before it was cool to hate this thread.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

WF is losing it, yet he's practically begging to be smacked down time and time again!!! I knew it was some weird masochism thing!!!

WF, be honest: do you think you're convincing anyone here over any of your points about anything??? Do you think anyone actually ever agrees with you???

Youre the fucking nut. . It bothers you that there are people that disagree with most of the posters here. I give out facts and you just brush it away.


And are you going to convince me that I should agree with you? Give it a rest already Dont want different opinions move to Pyongyang

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I hate this thread.

Its not the thread I just cant stand some of the posters here

[Barnaby Jones]

Youre the fucking nut. . It bothers you that there are people that disagree with most of the posters here. I give out facts and you just brush it away.


And are you going to convince me that I should agree with you? Give it a rest already Dont want different opinions move to Pyongyang

I don't give a crap if you disagree with me!!! I just think it's funny that NOBODY here ever actually agrees with any of your main points!!! Everevereverever!!! I find it fascinating that you continue to be such a dedicated political scribe on a board where basically everyone who will seriously respond to you thinks you're wrong!!! What do you get out of it???

Of course, you think you "give out facts," so lord only knows what loopy answer I'll get for these questions!!! $10 says it has something to do with immigrants!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Al Sharpton was just on Ed Schultz show talking about not to incite violence. The man I guess forgets about Freddys Fashion Mart and Yankel Rosenbaum

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I don't give a crap if you disagree with me!!! I just think it's funny that NOBODY here ever actually agrees with any of your main points!!! Everevereverever!!! I find it fascinating that you continue to be such a dedicated political scribe on a board where basically everyone who will seriously respond to you thinks you're wrong!!! What do you get out of it???

Of course, you think you "give out facts," so lord only knows what loopy answer I'll get for these questions!!! $10 says it has something to do with immigrants!!!

Keep your pesos.


Will you put those creepy smileys in your manifesto?

[StanUpshaw]

3:2 Barnaby Jones

[Barnaby Jones]

So close!!!

Let's get odds as to which random, out of date, usually not actually violent rhetoric he pulls out of his ass next for no reason whatsoever!!!!

[spoon]

I lean towards the right but I am embarrased how angry the right seems to be now. I will not waste my time watching Glen Beck - he has lost it. Palin's cross hairs on those states were rediculous and I can see how some mentally unstable idiot could interpret that in a violent way. My stepmom is such a blinded, emotional political ninja about any issue that is left or anything to do with Obama. She has ruined friendships and dosent talk to some of her family because they dont 100% agree with her Right views. Once, she was vocal in her beliefs but now she is 1 step away from being violent - and maybe all because of the way the media is brainwashing her. She watches Glen Beck and O'Reily everyday and is constantly mad about our country. I wonder how many others feel the same?

It's pretty over the top crazy shit how the influence CAN hit so deep. I've actually seen the same thing with some physicians and medical staff I work with in much the same light, where you can't even take the other side for argument's sake without them storming out of the room. Fucking MDs in NJ and NYC!? I can only imagine how it is in conservative strongholds like TN. Perhaps obsessed/crazy is obsessed/crazy anywhere? I just imagine it being worse out there, less open to debate.

[underdog]

After listening to Fez's take on the show today, I think changing my opinion to whatever the opposite of his is.

[Zorro]

Loughlin seems to have been stalking Giffords since '07. The Sheriff knows an awful lot about him, even to the point of knowing community college administrators were in fear for their safety.

So, how was this guy not on the Sheriff's radar, the FBI's or anybody's ?

[angrymissy]

holy crap

http://media2.abc15.com//photo/2011/01/10/loughner_20110110150120_640_480.JPG

[Dudeman]

Loughlin seems to have been stalking Giffords since '07. The Sheriff knows an awful lot about him, even to the point of knowing community college administrators were in fear for their safety.

So, how was this guy not on the Sheriff's radar, the FBI's or anybody's ?

or allowed to buy a gun

or not put into contact with mental health services

[Dudeman]

holy crap

http://media2.abc15.com//photo/2011/01/10/loughner_20110110150120_640_480.JPG

as i've said before on this thread, the issue isn't so much political hate speech. Rather a more relevant situation was:

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2007-04/19/xin_030404190700244313566.jpg

[Barnaby Jones]

Gross!!! He looks like a Dick Tracy villain!!!

[Zorro]

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2007-04/19/xin_030404190700244313566.jpg[/QUOTE]

You watch NBC or I shoot you

[Zorro]

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n67/Chas4604/Staples.jpg

Seems similarly odd

[Barnaby Jones]

Staples?!?!?!?!?!

[weekapaugjz]

Gross!!! He looks like a Dick Tracy villain!!!

:laugh:

[Zorro]

oops

[Judge Smails]

holy crap

http://media2.abc15.com//photo/2011/01/10/loughner_20110110150120_640_480.JPG

http://img.geocaching.com/cache/336ab0a0-db36-4220-9e58-6e347b60ddc0.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://www.wrestlingmemories.com/sitebuilder/images/Baron_Von_Raschke-208x208.jpg

[Melk]

holy crap

http://media2.abc15.com//photo/2011/01/10/loughner_20110110150120_640_480.JPG
Spy report: New movie poster pics for Forgetting Sarah Marshall 2: I Finally Forgot Her are online.

[Dude!]

why didn't anyone
think to suggest
that rhetoric was the
cause of prior
american assassinations?

i know the answer

and the following is just the
ones where people were killed
so it does not include all the attempts
like reagan, ford, wallace,
2 roosevelts, truman, etc.

this is the only time
it's the rhetoric


Elijah P. Lovejoy, (1837), editor of an abolitionist newspaper, the "Alton Observer", by a mob of pro-slavery advocates.
James Strang, (1856), Michigan State Representative and leader of the Strangite Mormon Church.
Abraham Lincoln, (1865), 16th President of the United States.
Tazewell Tyler, (1874), One of John Tyler, the 10th President of the United States's 15 children.
James A. Garfield, (1881), 20th president of the United States.
David Hennessy, (1890), Police Chief of New Orleans.
William Goebel, (1900), governor of Kentucky.
William McKinley, (1901), 25th President of the United States.
Don Mellett, (1926), newspaper editor and campaigner against organized crime.
Walter Liggett, (1935), Minnesota newspaper editor.
Carlo Tresca, (1943), anarchist organizer.
Curtis Chillingworth, (1955), a Florida judge.
John F. Kennedy, (1963), 35th President of the United States.
Medgar Evers, (1963 June 12), U.S. civil rights activist.[1]
Malcolm X, (1965 February 21), black Muslim leader, killed in a Manhattan banquet room as he began a speech.
George Lincoln Rockwell, (1967), founder of the American Nazi Party.
Martin Luther King, Jr., (1968 April 4), U.S. civil rights activist.[1]
Robert F. Kennedy, (1968), leading presidential candidate in the 1968 presidential election, in which he would have succeeded his brother's, John F. Kennedy's, presidential term.
Fred Hampton, (1969), Deputy Chairman of the Illinois chapter of the Black Panther Party.
Dan Mitrione, (1970), FBI agent and torture expert, killed by the guerrilla movement Tupamaros.
Marcus Foster, (1973), School District Superintendent in Oakland CA, killed by members of the Symbionese Liberation Army.
Don Bolles, (1976), Investigative reporter for Arizona Republic, killed in car bomb, Max Dunlap and James Robison convicted, alleged Mafia ties.
Orlando Letelier, (1976), Chilean ambassador to the United States under the administration of Salvador Allende.
John Lennon, (1980 December 8), British musician, member of The Beatles, shot and killed by Mark David Chapman.
Alan Berg, (1984), radio talk-show host, killed by Neo-nazis.
Henry Liu, (1984), Taiwanese-American writer, allegedly killed by Kuomintang agents.
Alex Odeh, (1985), Arab anti-discrimination group leader, killed when bomb exploded in his Santa Ana, California office.
Alejandro González Malavé, (1986), famous undercover policeman, in Bayamón, Puerto Rico.
Meir Kahane Founder JDL
Ioan P. Culianu, (1991), Romanian historian of religion, culture, and ideas, professor at the University of Chicago, assassinated there in Swift Hall, apparently for his political writings.
Chauncey Bailey, (2007), Oakland Tribune journalist.

[Zorro]

why didn't anyone
think to suggest
that rhetoric was the
cause of prior
american assassinations?

i know the answer

and the following is just the
ones where people were killed
so it does not include all the attempts
like reagan, ford, wallace,
2 roosevelts, truman, etc.

this is the only time
it's the rhetoric



How America's elite hijacked a massacre to take revenge on Sarah Palin

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1345952/Arizona-shootings-How-Americas-elite-hijacked-massacre-revenge-Sarah-Palin.html#ixzz1AhMYyNTC

[Zorro]

http://www.life.com/image/3152577

[Zorro]

I Suck !

[Barnaby Jones]

why didn't anyone
think to suggest
that rhetoric was the
cause of prior
american assassinations?

i know the answer

and the following is just the
ones where people were killed
so it does not include all the attempts
like reagan, ford, wallace,
2 roosevelts, truman, etc.

this is the only time
it's the rhetoric


Elijah P. Lovejoy, (1837), editor of an abolitionist newspaper, the "Alton Observer", by a mob of pro-slavery advocates.
James Strang, (1856), Michigan State Representative and leader of the Strangite Mormon Church.
Abraham Lincoln, (1865), 16th President of the United States.
Tazewell Tyler, (1874), One of John Tyler, the 10th President of the United States's 15 children.
James A. Garfield, (1881), 20th president of the United States.
David Hennessy, (1890), Police Chief of New Orleans.
William Goebel, (1900), governor of Kentucky.
William McKinley, (1901), 25th President of the United States.
Don Mellett, (1926), newspaper editor and campaigner against organized crime.
Walter Liggett, (1935), Minnesota newspaper editor.
Carlo Tresca, (1943), anarchist organizer.
Curtis Chillingworth, (1955), a Florida judge.
John F. Kennedy, (1963), 35th President of the United States.
Medgar Evers, (1963 June 12), U.S. civil rights activist.[1]
Malcolm X, (1965 February 21), black Muslim leader, killed in a Manhattan banquet room as he began a speech.
George Lincoln Rockwell, (1967), founder of the American Nazi Party.
Martin Luther King, Jr., (1968 April 4), U.S. civil rights activist.[1]
Robert F. Kennedy, (1968), leading presidential candidate in the 1968 presidential election, in which he would have succeeded his brother's, John F. Kennedy's, presidential term.
Fred Hampton, (1969), Deputy Chairman of the Illinois chapter of the Black Panther Party.
Dan Mitrione, (1970), FBI agent and torture expert, killed by the guerrilla movement Tupamaros.
Marcus Foster, (1973), School District Superintendent in Oakland CA, killed by members of the Symbionese Liberation Army.
Don Bolles, (1976), Investigative reporter for Arizona Republic, killed in car bomb, Max Dunlap and James Robison convicted, alleged Mafia ties.
Orlando Letelier, (1976), Chilean ambassador to the United States under the administration of Salvador Allende.
John Lennon, (1980 December 8), British musician, member of The Beatles, shot and killed by Mark David Chapman.
Alan Berg, (1984), radio talk-show host, killed by Neo-nazis.
Henry Liu, (1984), Taiwanese-American writer, allegedly killed by Kuomintang agents.
Alex Odeh, (1985), Arab anti-discrimination group leader, killed when bomb exploded in his Santa Ana, California office.
Alejandro González Malavé, (1986), famous undercover policeman, in Bayamón, Puerto Rico.
Meir Kahane Founder JDL
Ioan P. Culianu, (1991), Romanian historian of religion, culture, and ideas, professor at the University of Chicago, assassinated there in Swift Hall, apparently for his political writings.
Chauncey Bailey, (2007), Oakland Tribune journalist.

What a bunch of poorly worded gibberish!!! What a arbitrary, nonsensical list!!! What a troll!!!

Nobody said that "rhetoric killed these people," or that it's the only time that violence has been influenced or inflamed by political movements!!!

[Melk]

What a bunch of poorly worded gibberish!!! What a arbitrary, nonsensical list!!! What a troll!!!

Nobody said that "rhetoric killed these people," or that it's the only time that violence has been influenced or inflamed by political movements!!!
Kennedy had a secretary named Lincoln... Lincoln had a secretary named Kennedy...
COINCIDENCE?!

If you spent a day working at a major university or are an elected official, SOMEONE probably talked about killing you. Lunatics are quick to blame the powers that be for everything.

[spoon]

You've found that one, got any others? Maybe some Bush is hitler? Or Bush is anti-American even?

My point is (it's the point I've been trying to make this entire thread), that while there did exist hatred for Bush, it was nowhere even close to the level of out there, mainstream hatred of Obama.

Yes, referring to Bush as a war monger is exactly the same as thinly veiled attempts at inciting violence bc you aren't in power or getting votes to go your way for the first time in a decade.

Give me a break Like the Clinton and Obama white houses are pure. Stop it already

Here we go again, "Not uh, your side is worse". Just continue to avoid issues by saying you have them too. The difference here is that most issues that come up on the other side of the fence are dealt with, not ignored and or worse (as with this issue).

Man I have a LOT to catch up with.

[spoon]

You cant argue with someone who downplays weird rhetoric by the left who thinks because they have a small audience its not a problem

Palin should have chosen her words more wisely. Im not trying to make excuses for Palin but that nut Loughner has been stalking Giffords since 2007 way before anyone who knew Palin was.

Sorry WF, not one person here downplayed idiots on the left, they just said there are fewer of them overall and in lesser positions of power.

Also, even if Loughner had been stalking Giffords since 07 he didn't act violently until now, where most here are saying things/rhetoric/vitriol from both sides are at possibly all-time high levels, especially from those on the right and in some high raking positions (in government and the media). One side seem to be calling for a change, the other is "reloading" while hiding past abuses even though an aid called them surveyor marks, not scope cross-hairs. Funny bc Palin herself had a completely different lie as to what they were. Why take them down then? Why not hold up your perfectly fine site and strategy for what it is and stand behind it if nothing was wrong with it or where it comes from? We all know the answer to those questions.

[StanUpshaw]

Why take them down then? Why not hold up your perfectly fine site and strategy for what it is and stand behind it if nothing was wrong with it or where it comes from? We all know the answer to those questions.

Because political spin-control requires that you immediately scurry away from anything that can bring shit down upon you?

[spoon]

Hey, is that guy at surveyor practice?

:lol:

[spoon]

Because political spin-control requires that you immediately scurry away from anything that can bring shit down upon you?

but but, she's a maverick

she doesn't retreat, she reloads

[A.J.]

holy crap

http://media2.abc15.com//photo/2011/01/10/loughner_20110110150120_640_480.JPG

Shine on you crazy diamond.

http://wpcontent.answcdn.com/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b6/Syd_Barrett_Abbey_Road_1975.jpg/220px-Syd_Barrett_Abbey_Road_1975.jpg

[A.J.]

Staples?!?!?!?!?!

NOW!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Our wonderful politicians already are looking to make names for themselves and always look for an opportunity to leech on to things like this. The bodies aren't buried yet and Lautenberg already wants to legislate against speech. Clyburn wants the fairness doctrine. Theres talk about even more gun control.


These people are just parasites who are in it for themselves. Always looking to further their careers and agenda

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://www.1019rxp.com/Pics/Artist%20Download/matt_pinfield_header3.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This goes out to Krugman and others who wanted to play keystone cops


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/10/AR2011011003685.html

[foodcourtdruide]

http://www.1019rxp.com/Pics/Artist%20Download/matt_pinfield_header3.jpg

Why did you post a picture of Matt Pinfield?

[foodcourtdruide]

Sorry WF, not one person here downplayed idiots on the left, they just said there are fewer of them overall and in lesser positions of power.



Again, this is WF's debate tactic. When he's losing, he will start arguing against clear points he can win, even though no one is making them against him.

So the conversation will be:

person: There are fewer/less powerful voices on the left that incite violence.
WF: You act like no one on the left incites violence! Here's a random youtube of someone you never heard of on cctv saying something inciting violence.
person: I didn't say no one on the left does this, I'm just saying people on the left that incite violent are less poweful and less popular.
WF: Here's another youtube, plus Paul Krugman and Al Sharpton.
person: What does any of this have to do with this thread?
WF: Sure, like no one on the left incites violence, here's another completely pointless youtube.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Again, this is WF's debate tactic. When he's losing, he will start arguing against clear points he can win, even though no one is making them against him.

So the conversation will be:

person: There are fewer/less powerful voices on the left that incite violence.
WF: You act like no one on the left incites violence! Here's a random youtube of someone you never heard of on cctv saying something inciting violence.
person: I didn't say no one on the left does this, I'm just saying people on the left that incite violent are less poweful and less popular.
WF: Here's another youtube, plus Paul Krugman and Al Sharpton.
person: What does any of this have to do with this thread?
WF: Sure, like no one on the left incites violence, here's another completely pointless youtube.

Flawed logic FCD. Just awful.

[Furtherman]

Again, this is WF's debate tactic. When he's losing, he will start arguing against clear points he can win, even though no one is making them against him.

So the conversation will be:

person: There are fewer/less powerful voices on the left that incite violence.
WF: You act like no one on the left incites violence! Here's a random youtube of someone you never heard of on cctv saying something inciting violence.
person: I didn't say no one on the left does this, I'm just saying people on the left that incite violent are less poweful and less popular.
WF: Here's another youtube, plus Paul Krugman and Al Sharpton.
person: What does any of this have to do with this thread?
WF: Sure, like no one on the left incites violence, here's another completely pointless youtube.

:laugh:

It's silly to engage him.

The flawed logic is yours... unless you can find someone who agrees with you. On anything.

[foodcourtdruide]

Because political spin-control requires that you immediately scurry away from anything that can bring shit down upon you?

Or maybe because it was completely inappropriate imagery that could incite violence, and since a real-life event happened to one of the persons she was targeting, she's in damage control mode?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why did you post a picture of Matt Pinfield?

You didnt understand that? Why do I even bother?

[foodcourtdruide]

You didnt understand that? Why do I even bother?

lol, no clue. I listened to his show a few times on 101.9. Like, the third time I listened to it he came on and said he had a bad drug addiction and had to go back to rehab and apologized to everyone. I was like, "this is fucking depressing, I just want to hear Pearl Jam."

[WRESTLINGFAN]

:laugh:

It's silly to engage him.

The flawed logic is yours... unless you can find someone who agrees with you. On anything.

Are you sure youre not B Jones without the creepy smileys ?

[Furtherman]

lol, no clue. I listened to his show a few times on 101.9. Like, the third time I listened to it he came on and said he had a bad drug addiction and had to go back to rehab and apologized to everyone. I was like, "this is fucking depressing, I just want to hear Pearl Jam."

Wait... you don't think like WF? You don't understand his points about all the influential left pundits and archaic video jockeys? How do you survive the day? Everyone gets him. We are his hive mind. Those who do not conform will be corrected with random images!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Wait... you don't think like WF? You don't understand his points about all the influential left pundits and archaic video jockeys? How do you survive the day? Everyone gets him. We are his hive mind. Those who do not conform will be corrected with random images!

People were posting pics of random bald guys comparing him to Loughner. Follow the train hansel

[Furtherman]

People were posting pics of random bald guys comparing him to Loughner. Follow the train hansel

Yes.... people. All the people in your world.

[Dude!]

Are you sure youre not B Jones without the creepy smileys ?

yep, he and spoon and bj
are all the same person

[Gutter]

http://gawker.com/5730645/giffords-100-percent-certain-to-survive

Giffords '100 Percent Certain' to Survive

[angrymissy]

No one should EVER say anything is 100% certain, especially a Doctor. That's very strange.

[Furtherman]

True. He'll probably catch some heat for that... as her recovery will probably last years.

[Gutter]

No one should EVER say anything is 100% certain, especially a Doctor. That's very strange.

i thought it was a little odd too.....very rare that you hear a doctor say something so concrete like that about such a publicized patient. if ANYTHING goes wrong that dudes career could be efffffffed.

[angrymissy]

The first doctor I went to when I was planning my back surgery said "Oh, I can cure you, definitely", and I didn't book my surgery with him because of that. The guy I went with gave me 85% chances

[Dudeman]

Roger Ailes, the president of Fox News, on Monday embraced the idea of a more civil public discourse in the wake of the shootings in Arizona.

In an interview with the hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons, which was posted on his Web site, Mr. Ailes said that his network would try to cool the heated rhetoric.

“I told all of our guys, shut up, tone it down, make your argument intellectually,” Mr. Ailes said. “You don’t have to do it with bombast. I hope the other side does that.” (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/11/ailes-to-fox-anchors-tone-it-down/?hp)

I find it less notable that he is admitting that his anchors are over the top than his use of the term "other side". If the station is "balanced", what is this "other side" he is referring to?

If an increase in civility is one of the unexpected consequences of this event, how about also having a decrease in the "if we say it, then it is true" mentality. Saying you're "fair and balanced" doesn't mean you're fair and balanced.

[Dudeman]

No one should EVER say anything is 100% certain, especially a Doctor. That's very strange.

Are you 100% certain no one should ever say anything is 100% certain?

[StanUpshaw]

The first doctor I went to when I was planning my back surgery said "Oh, I can cure you, definitely", and I didn't book my surgery with him because of that. The guy I went with gave me 85% chances

It's important to shop around when you've been shot in the head.

[Zorro]

It's important to shop around when you've been shot in the head.

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n67/Chas4604/dr-nick.gif

[angrymissy]

Are you 100% certain no one should ever say anything is 100% certain?

now my head is going to explode

[Furtherman]

now my head is going to explode

That might be a poor choice of words. :laugh:

[angrymissy]

That might be a poor choice of words. :laugh:

whoops

[A.J.]

It's important to shop around when you've been shot in the head.

That's what my Momma and Smokey Robinson told me.

[Dude!]

It's important to shop around when you've been shot in the head.

:thumbup:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That's what my Momma and Smokey Robinson told me.

He told me to shop around also


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[Ogre]

:laugh:

It's silly to engage him.

The flawed logic is yours... unless you can find someone who agrees with you. On anything.

I like Wrestling

OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH YYYYEEEEEAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
http://cdn.smosh.com/smosh-pit/4/wrestlers-3.jpg

[Zorro]

now my head is going to explode

I'm 100% sure that is not going to happen

[angrymissy]

I'm 100% sure that is not going to happen

YOU CAN'T BE 100% SURE THAT IT WON'T! IT COULD!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I forgot who the witers in the NY Times were but they wanted Obama to politicize this and make it like an OK City event or some type of Paul Wellstone funeral. All he needs to do is be a leader and comfort the nation, victims families. Theres nothing political about that and there should be no criticism if he takes that path

[Zorro]

Loughner's parents released a statement

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41014125/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

Play this right and they'll be the most sympathetic people in America lauded doing Oprah, the Today Show and writing books. Wrong and they'll be changing their names.

[epo]

I forgot who the witers in the NY Times were but they wanted Obama to politicize this and make it like an OK City event or some type of Paul Wellstone funeral. All he needs to do is be a leader and comfort the nation, victims families. Theres nothing political about that and there should be no criticism if he takes that path

This is baseless without a link.

[CruelCircus]

You need a link to find the New York Times?

[Zorro]

Bernie Sanders waits three days before turning shooting into fundraising opportunity. Kind of classless

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/11/sanders-office-defends-re_n_807683.html

Copy of letter

http://www.weeklystandard.com/sites/all/files/docs/Bernie.pdf

[keithy_19]

This is baseless without a link.

Or faceless without a picture.

[Ogre]

Switching gears, but in a related story

N.Y. Rep. Peter King (R) to introduce gun control legislation..linky (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/11/peter-king-strict-gun-control_n_807323.html)

King's legislation to make it illegal to knowingly carry a gun within 1,000 feet of the president, vice president, members of Congress or judges of the Federal Judiciary, would offer government officials the same protection.

(BTW I cut and pasted the above from the story in the Huff Post...tell me don't you capiltilize the P in President and Vice President? We do here in Bugtussle.)

Back on point. It surprises me, if this does turn out to be true, that Rep. King would originate this. Co-Sponsor yes, but to author it from his desk, well it was a surprise.

I'm a 2nd ammendment supporter and a gun owner myself and I have no problem with this at face value. The final bill will be interesting to read. King might take some heat but I can understand this, and the nexus of this idea makes sense.

[hanso]

We are talking about crosshairs made by stupid Politicians. One of his diatribles mentioned the Gold standard... Follow ?

You can cut through the mad ramblings of a mass murderer. but Fox News said he was a lefty.

How can this be?



Gold and Fox News...mmm just can't place a finger on it.

[keithy_19]

You can cut through the mad ramblings of a mass murderer. but Fox News said he was a lefty.

How can this be?



Gold and Fox News...mmm just can't place a finger on it.

I got tired of reading about him or trying to make sense of his ramblings, but I thought he was against the gold standard.

And the shows on Fox that I've watched have said he was just a nut. But someone could have said that and I'm just not aware.

[hanso]

I got tired of reading about him or trying to make sense of his ramblings, but I thought he was against the gold standard.

And the shows on Fox that I've watched have said he was just a nut. But someone could have said that and I'm just not aware.

Watch last nights Colbert show if you can. He played a clip of it. Sorry could't tell you which show it was.

And the only thing I heard was, he said "make your own currency" which could mean that I guess. Off to nap time cyyas

[Zorro]

Or faceless without a picture.

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n67/Chas4604/gp7n.jpg

[keithy_19]

Watch last nights Colbert show if you can. He played a clip of it. Sorry could't tell you which show it was.

And the only thing I heard was, he said "make your own currency" which could mean that I guess. Off to nap time cyyas

I mainly watch Beck, Shep, O'Reilly, and Red Eye. (Red Eye is the only show that I'm certain to watch everyday.)

I didn't hear any of that kind of talk on any of these shows. I guess I could have missed it (minus Red Eye). I'll take a look.

[keithy_19]

http://s109.photobucket.com/albums/n67/Chas4604/

:wallbash:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You can cut through the mad ramblings of a mass murderer. but Fox News said he was a lefty.

How can this be?



Gold and Fox News...mmm just can't place a finger on it.

Teabagging Fox news viewers are atheists and read the communist manifesto ?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Bernie Sanders waits three days before turning shooting into fundraising opportunity. Kind of classless

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/11/sanders-office-defends-re_n_807683.html

Copy of letter

http://www.weeklystandard.com/sites/all/files/docs/Bernie.pdf

He's gotta advance socialism.


Before anyone foams at the mouth Sanders is an admitted socialist.

[UnknownPD]

"That ***** down there that's running for governor of *******," Mr. ****** said. "Instead of running for governor of *******, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him. He stole billions of dollars from the United States government and he's running for governor of ******. He's a millionaire and a billionaire. He's no hero. He's a damn crook.

Guess who?

We all lose an element of freedom when security considerations distance public officials from the people. Therefore, it is incumbent on all Americans to create an atmosphere of civility and respect in which political discourse can flow freely, without fear of violent confrontation.

Same guy

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Guess who?



Same guy

Paul Kanjorski a Democrat

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This is baseless without a link.

Couldn't find that one but heres one from MSNBC darling Jonathan Alter


http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/lachlan-markay/2011/01/11/newsweeks-jonathan-alter-gives-obama-advice-exploiting-tucson-traged

[underdog]

Why do I keep opening this fucking thread? This is worse than the immigration one.

[KnoxHarrington]

Why do I keep opening this fucking thread? This is worse than the immigration one.

It's like watching a school bus full of retarded kids get hit by a train, but not nearly as funny.

[epo]

Couldn't find that one but heres one from MSNBC darling Jonathan Alter


http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/lachlan-markay/2011/01/11/newsweeks-jonathan-alter-gives-obama-advice-exploiting-tucson-traged

Again, my original request was for a link to the NY Times article you claimed to have read.

Your point is useless without proof.

[epo]

It's like watching a school bus full of retarded kids get hit by a train, but not nearly as funny.

I prefer to think of it as a bus, but driven by a drunken illegal immigrant.

At least that's how the urban myth goes.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I prefer to think of it as a bus, but driven by a drunken illegal immigrant.

At least that's how the urban myth goes.


Actually its a teabagger with a giant sign on the side of the bus which reads Get a Brain Morans

[keithy_19]

Again, my original request was for a link to the NY Times article you claimed to have read.

Your point is useless without proof.

I searched for an article about that, but I couldn't find it.

I know that they ran an editorial that has some people up in arms, as well as things that Krugman has written about in the incident.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Will the following terms be deemed illegal after the shooting ?

Job Killing bill

Battleground States

War Room

Political punching bag

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I searched for an article about that, but I couldn't find it.

I know that they ran an editorial that has some people up in arms, as well as things that Krugman has written about in the incident.

I dont recall the journalists, They arent nameworthy like Krugman or Frank Rich.


In any case Alter is a fucking douchebag for even wanting the President to politicize it for his gain

[keithy_19]

Will the following terms be deemed illegal after the shooting ?

Job Killing bill

Battleground States

War Room

Political punching bag

No.

No.

No.

No.

[keithy_19]

I dont recall the journalists, They arent nameworthy like Krugman or Frank Rich.


In any case Alter is a fucking douchebag for even wanting the President to politicize it for his gain

I agree that anyone calling for someone to use this for politics is a douche. But I also think throughout history people use tragic events to better their cause..so..I don't know.

[keithy_19]

I also don't think that jsut because it's been done before makes it right, either.

[Dude!]

Your point is useless without proof.

tell that to Sheriff Dupnik

[WRESTLINGFAN]

tell that to Sheriff Dupnik

and Paul Krugman, Keith Olbermann, Congressman Raul Grijalva..

[epo]

I searched for an article about that, but I couldn't find it.

Obviously.

I dont recall the journalists, They arent nameworthy like Krugman or Frank Rich.


In any case Alter is a fucking douchebag for even wanting the President to politicize it for his gain

The point WF is that the "article" doesn't exist. You are a troll that makes up facts which don't exist to make a non-existent point.

[epo]

tell that to Sheriff Dupnik

And Sheriff Arpaio isn't political.

This whole argument is stupid.

[Zorro]

I searched for an article about that, but I couldn't find it.

I know that they ran an editorial that has some people up in arms, as well as things that Krugman has written about in the incident.

Krugman's op-ed was in the online edition. Is this the one you're looking for?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/opinion/10krugman.html?_r=1&ref=columnists

Titled Climate of Hate

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/11/opinion/11brooks.html?ref=opinion

Figured I'd through in Brooks and Herbert too.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/11/opinion/11herbert.html?scp=2&sq=herbert&st=Search

Be careful because there's lot of bug words in her, but I'm counting on you WF. After your quiz, we'll talk...

[WRESTLINGFAN]

And Sheriff Arpaio isn't political.

This whole argument is stupid.

That douche said he would not enforce SB 1070 so he should not be in law enforcement. Hes violating his oath of office.


Dupnik is Arizona's Nifong

[spoon]

Roger Ailes, the president of Fox News, on Monday embraced the idea of a more civil public discourse in the wake of the shootings in Arizona.

In an interview with the hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons, which was posted on his Web site, Mr. Ailes said that his network would try to cool the heated rhetoric.

“I told all of our guys, shut up, tone it down, make your argument intellectually,” Mr. Ailes said. “You don’t have to do it with bombast. I hope the other side does that.” (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/11/ailes-to-fox-anchors-tone-it-down/?hp)

I find it less notable that he is admitting that his anchors are over the top than his use of the term "other side". If the station is "balanced", what is this "other side" he is referring to?

If an increase in civility is one of the unexpected consequences of this event, how about also having a decrease in the "if we say it, then it is true" mentality. Saying you're "fair and balanced" doesn't mean you're fair and balanced.

That's a pretty funny slip up. I'm quite sure nobody will point this out in the media at all, much less Colbert and Stewart. Should be hilarious.

[spoon]

This is baseless without a link.

I think most inherently know this, but for WF you may want to ask for a credible source/link.

Just saying.

[spoon]

Obviously.



The point WF is that the "article" doesn't exist. You are a troll that makes up facts which don't exist to make a non-existent point.

Now don't you worry, in four days he'll find a blog that talks about it in detail soon enough.

[epo]

Now don't you worry, in four days he'll find a blog that talks about it in detail soon enough.

All these baseless claims by WF are hurting my brain.

[keithy_19]

I like what Stewart said about the shooting.

[keithy_19]

Reports are saying that the Westboro Babtist Church will be protesting the funeral of 9 year old victim Christina Taylor Green. I hope their bus flips.

[Dude!]

for angrymiss:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/dem-congressman-who-called-gop-gov-be-put-against-wall-and-shot-n

[PapaBear]

Reports are saying that the Westboro Babtist Church will be protesting the funeral of 9 year old victim Christina Taylor Green. I hope their bus flips.
I really, REALLY wish the news outlets would stop reporting this shit. It was fun to listen to Shirley the first several times she was on R&F, and they were mostly under the media radar. But now that they have been on the mainstream media radar for the past couple of years, it's become obvious how they are just getting everything they want. The public is actually letting themselves get suckered by a psychotic family from Kansas.

[hanso]

I mainly watch Beck, Shep, O'Reilly, and Red Eye. (Red Eye is the only show that I'm certain to watch everyday.)

I didn't hear any of that kind of talk on any of these shows. I guess I could have missed it (minus Red Eye). I'll take a look.

It was a blonde lady if that helps.

[hanso]

Teabagging Fox news viewers are atheists and read the communist manifesto ?

I can't help that they report BS. I believe them as much as anything posted on a social network.


And what was that gold talk, care to expand on that?

[hanso]

Will the following terms be deemed illegal after the shooting ?

Job Killing bill

Battleground States

War Room

Political punching bag

They made this the title of the bill itself.

[hanso]

That douche said he would not enforce SB 1070 so he should not be in law enforcement. Hes violating his oath of office.


Dupnik is Arizona's Nifong

No she did as it was a federal mandate.

[keithy_19]

I can't help that they report BS. I believe them as much as anything posted on a social network.


And what was that gold talk, care to expand on that?

With the gold stuff, it just sounded like the guy didn't trust anyone or anything. Probably due to the fact he was schizophrenic (most likely).

[keithy_19]

It was a blonde lady if that helps.

Thanks. :dry:

[hanso]

Thanks. :dry:

YW I will try to get the show and make a clip from it. Then post it here. cyas

[hanso]

With the gold stuff, it just sounded like the guy didn't trust anyone or anything. Probably due to the fact he was schizophrenic (most likely).

Well you could use it as such. (currency) I never put it together from the one quip I heard of from the killer. Until WF brought it up. Maybe he will enlighten us. (WF)

[Dudeman]

Probably due to the fact he was schizophrenic (most likely).

Jeffrey Liebermann, chairman of psychiatry at Columbia, is on Charlie Rose. His discussion is better than any of the other junk discussion the situation on tv. (http://asp.cumc.columbia.edu/facdb/profile_list.asp?uni=jl2616&DepAffil=Psychiatry)

[keithy_19]

Jeffrey Liebermann, chairman of psychiatry at Columbia, is on Charlie Rose. His discussion is better than any of the other junk discussion the situation on tv. (http://asp.cumc.columbia.edu/facdb/profile_list.asp?uni=jl2616&DepAffil=Psychiatry)

I know he's a conservative commentator, but Charles Krauthammer was on O'Reilly and was interviewed as a doctor (he's a psychiatrist). It was interesting hearing him speak without any political motives and just looking at it from a doctors viewpoint. It was a short segment, so I'm sure the Charlie Rose interview is more informative.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I can't help that they report BS. I believe them as much as anything posted on a social network.


And what was that gold talk, care to expand on that?

Seriously youre linking the shooting to gold ?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

for angrymiss:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/dem-congressman-who-called-gop-gov-be-put-against-wall-and-shot-n

Waiting to hear the line from the progressives, that he's not a household word

[Barnaby Jones]

Waiting to hear the line from the progressives, that he's not a household word

Yeah, the guy that lost his seat is an influential voice in politics!!! So, uh, yeah, pretty obvious he's not a "household word," whatever the fuck that is!!! Just keep desperately scrambling for these scattered, tenuous examples to pretend like there's a pervasive, strong movement of paranoia, anger and fear on the Left like there is coming from part sof the Right!!!

Keep 'em flying, WF!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yeah, the guy that lost his seat is an influential voice in politics!!!

Keep 'em flying, WF!!!

Your pathetic attempts of hes a nobody, no one listens to their shows etc.
And who is Palin? A half governor turned reality star. Some statesman she is


You know, you've lost this battle. You haven't been able to pin the actions of one crazed lunatic on the right, and as more information comes out about him your attempt to put blame on the right is lunacy

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Stay classy Alter you douche.


http://www.newsweek.com/2011/01/10/the-impact-on-obama-s-presidency.html

[Dudeman]

Originally Posted by PapaBear
I really, REALLY wish the news outlets would stop reporting this shit. It was fun to listen to Shirley the first several times she was on R&F, and they were mostly under the media radar. But now that they have been on the mainstream media radar for the past couple of years, it's become obvious how they are just getting everything they want. The public is actually letting themselves get suckered by a psychotic family from Kansas.

I really, REALLY wish the message board would stop responding to this shit. It was fun to listen to WF the first several times he was on RF.net, and he were mostly under the radar. But now that he has been on the message board radar for the past couple of months, it's become obvious how he is just getting everything he wants. The message board is actually letting themselves get suckered by a psychotic poster from Connecticut.

WF is our shirley phelps-roper.

[sailor]

i think both sides should be ashamed where this thread has ended up. a politician was shot and a little girl killed and it's become a name-calling thread. sad.

[A.J.]

i think both sides should be ashamed where this thread has ended up. a politician was shot and a little girl killed and it's become a name-calling thread. sad.

Like we all didn't know how this movie was going to end.

[underdog]

i think both sides should be ashamed where this thread has ended up. a politician was shot and a little girl killed and it's become a name-calling thread. sad.

Like we all didn't know how this movie was going to end.

Seriously. It's a ronfez.net political thread. The ending was written as soon as it started.

[sailor]

i thought we could be above it for at least this one. i generally stay out of the politics threads for this reason, so i guess i shouldn't be surprised.

[A.J.]

i thought we could be above it for at least this one. i generally stay out of the politics threads for this reason, so i guess i shouldn't be surprised.

I beginning to think that V3 had the right idea in banning political threads.

[CountryBob]

I beginning to think that V3 had the right idea in banning political threads.

Yeah, I think that both party's need to make a human chain by holding hands across America and singing kumbaya. The division has gotten insane...
I vote bringing back the Whig party!

[Zorro]

Yeah, I think that both party's need to make a human chain by holding hands across America and singing kumbaya. The division has gotten insane...
I vote bringing back the Whig party!

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n67/Chas4604/Sy-Sperling-photo-300.jpg

Whig?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Originally Posted by PapaBear
I really, REALLY wish the news outlets would stop reporting this shit. It was fun to listen to Shirley the first several times she was on R&F, and they were mostly under the media radar. But now that they have been on the mainstream media radar for the past couple of years, it's become obvious how they are just getting everything they want. The public is actually letting themselves get suckered by a psychotic family from Kansas.

I really, REALLY wish the message board would stop responding to this shit. It was fun to listen to WF the first several times he was on RF.net, and he were mostly under the radar. But now that he has been on the message board radar for the past couple of months, it's become obvious how he is just getting everything he wants. The message board is actually letting themselves get suckered by a psychotic poster from Connecticut.

WF is our shirley phelps-roper.




I don't hate gays.



Are those the voices inside your head talking ? When's your manifesto?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It was Krugman a Keynesian Economist and far left wing idealogue placing the blame on a political movement and blaming Politicians, the teabaggers and a radio talk show host. Jonathan Alter is rooting for Obama to make it political, Bernie Sanders is having fundraisers trying to capitalize off of this. Lautenberg, Clyburn etc want to limit free speech. We are just posters on a thread who have no influence whatsoever. Its the media and political class looking to get their 15 minutes of fame before the bodies are buried and before they were sent to the hospital.

[Dude!]

It was Krugman a Keynesian Economist and far left wing idealogue placing the blame on a political movement and blaming Politicians, the teabaggers and a radio talk show host. Jonathan Alter is rooting for Obama to make it political, Bernie Sanders is having fundraisers trying to capitalize off of this. Lautenberg, Clyburn etc want to limit free speech. We are just posters on a thread who have no influence whatsoever. Its the media and political class looking to get their 15 minutes of fame before the bodies are buried and before they were sent to the hospital.

sheriff stupnik knew
that this guy had
made death threats
and did nothing

he has blood on his hands

[WRESTLINGFAN]

sheriff stupnik knew
that this guy had
made death threats
and did nothing

he has blood on his hands

He was too busy calling people racists and not doing his job

Quoting Obama "He acted stupidly"

[WRESTLINGFAN]

As usual the media and political class wants to blame rhetoric and not the individual
There is always gonna be people insulted/outraged by something another person says or does.

Its not talk radio, Its not Fox news or MSNBC

Theres more Loughners out there but do we all need to hide under our beds? Politicians want to get all ginned up and start passing ridiculous bills.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

sheriff stupnik knew
that this guy had
made death threats
and did nothing

he has blood on his hands

The sheriff has admitted that his office was aware of death threats made by Loughner. Under Arizona law, terroristic threats are punishable by up to three years in prison.


It's all his fault according to the wise Sheriff

http://southernfemalelawyer.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/glenn-beck-goes-crazy-in-radio-show-pin-head-funny-comedy.jpg?w=340&amp;h=454

[Barnaby Jones]

I beginning to think that V3 had the right idea in banning political threads.

If we all boycott the political threads maybe WF will just fade away!!!

[spoon]

Your pathetic attempts of hes a nobody, no one listens to their shows etc.
And who is Palin? A half governor turned reality star. Some statesman she is


You know, you've lost this battle. You haven't been able to pin the actions of one crazed lunatic on the right, and as more information comes out about him your attempt to put blame on the right is lunacy

Again WF, nobody said it NEVER happens on the Left or in Kanjorski's case, with some shitty dems of the past. We're not here defending his IDIOTIC comment by saying it happens there too! People are saying it happens more on the right, in high profile positions, whether that be in radio, on Fox or in government.

We have a shitload of examples for each, versus you digging into history to find some obscure cases with people usually pushed aside and left to die on the vine once they stepped over that line. On the right, they go to Fox News or radio and spew f'n hate all day long and never really debate a topic or any policy.

It's just sour grapes and vitriol bc they aren't in power for the first time in YEARS. If the country is soooo bad off, look in the mirror bc it's mainly the result of your work.

[spoon]

Stay classy Alter you douche.


http://www.newsweek.com/2011/01/10/the-impact-on-obama-s-presidency.html

Yes, Alter is hoping to have something good come from the tragedy that's horrible. You know, like when 9/11 happened and Bush had a chance to work with the world to fight terrorism but instead he took on a personal task? I see nothing wrong with Alter hoping Obama takes the right tact and approach here to help take away some vitriol in the political areana. To help curtail our downward spiral of political debate, that surely will always be charged, but does it have to be what it is today?

We disagree here often, but even here it hasn't risen to that level. I've seen a few news flung around at WF and or from him, but usually it's pretty mild with a few exceptions. Without Mikeyboy (went to that milk toast board bc he's a commie pinko) to tell everyone to "knock it off", somehow we've survived.

So no AJ, I'd rather have these discussions versus ignore them so we can talk about Gvac's neti pot or Chuckwagon's love for himself.

[Zorro]

So no AJ, I'd rather have these discussions versus ignore them so we can talk about Gvac's neti pot or Chuckwagon's love for himself.


http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n67/Chas4604/neilmed-sinus-rinse.jpg

Much preferred to the neti pot

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Again WF, nobody said it NEVER happens on the Left or in Kanjorski's case, with some shitty dems of the past. We're not here defending his IDIOTIC comment by saying it happens there too! People are saying it happens more on the right, in high profile positions, whether that be in radio, on Fox or in government.

We have a shitload of examples for each, versus you digging into history to find some obscure cases with people usually pushed aside and left to die on the vine once they stepped over that line. On the right, they go to Fox News or radio and spew f'n hate all day long and never really debate a topic or any policy.

It's just sour grapes and vitriol bc they aren't in power for the first time in YEARS. If the country is soooo bad off, look in the mirror bc it's mainly the result of your work.

Quit it with the fucking excuse that the left doesn't have an audience or the people spewing the hate speech on the left arent famous.

Listen to pacifica radio and hear the hate, the talk of revolution ending capitalism etc. You ant to hear someone spewing bile? Mike Malloy on America left. Thats one angry paranoid progressive

The result of my work? What do I have to do with anything? Its 100 yearsprogressive economics like the income tax, new deal. great society, the expanding welfare and nanny state, undeclared perpetual wars. But its my work? Give me a fucking break.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If we all boycott the political threads maybe WF will just fade away!!!

On a good note your creepy smiles will fade away too

[disneyspy]

WF,i have to know,is this a bit?cuz no one can be that retarded

[WRESTLINGFAN]

WF,i have to know,is this a bit?cuz no one can be that retarded

Are you a fucking nut? I counterpunch to the progressives here and you say things like that?

Why does it bother you that there are people here with different opinions

[disneyspy]

Are you a fucking nut? I counterpunch to the progressives here and you say things like that?

Why does it bother you that there are people here with different opinions

no,i read you say famous people on the left and your example was radio pacifica?

c'mon man

[disneyspy]

and if i was a fucking nut,i would agree with the crazy shit you spew

[hanso]

Seriously youre linking the shooting to gold ?

You brought it up. I'm asking you.
"Crosshairs and gold ...follow" you said.

[hanso]

We are talking about crosshairs made by stupid Politicians. One of his diatribles mentioned the Gold standard... Follow ?

This

[Barnaby Jones]

WF is so scared of these "progressives!!!" It's kind of cute!!!

We need a new poll...who does WF fear more: illegals or progressives???

[hanso]

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Here is the clip. (Colbert) Dunno why I thought the last guy was a blonde lady.

[keithy_19]

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Here is the clip. (Colbert) Dunno why I thought the last guy was a blonde lady.

So it was a guest rather than a host. Not that it makes it right.

[keithy_19]

But thank you for getting the clip. I was too lazy to look up myself.

People certainly do suck.

[hanso]

YW My guess is it's being repeated from when it happened.

[keithy_19]

YW My guess is it's being repeated from when it happened.

The sad thing about the people from the tea party speaking, was that I can tell you with complete confidence that remarks like that aren't the kind of remarks that are being said by everyone who is affiliated with the movement.

And the remarks by the one reporter regarding the suspect being a left-wing pothead was the sentiment expressed by that fellow student of the shooter.

[disneyspy]

human target not on FOX tonight,wonder why

[WRESTLINGFAN]

no,i read you say famous people on the left and your example was radio pacifica?

c'mon man

I guess he's not famous enough either right ?




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[jauble]

human target not on FOX tonight,wonder why

Because its a piece of shit show?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

WF is so scared of these "progressives!!!" It's kind of cute!!!

We need a new poll...who does WF fear more: illegals or progressives???

Unfortunately we can't deport progressives or douches like you

[disneyspy]

Because its a piece of shit show?

no because its,ya well maybe it is

[Barnaby Jones]

I guess he's not famous enough either right ?




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It really is completely impossible for you to get it!!! You've been made to look the fool time and time again, yet you keep coming back! Masochism at its most bizarre!!! You simply cannot understand the difference, do you??? How do you think this is possibly comparable to what people have been talking about????

You say you're her to be a "counterpunch to progressives"...but why? I know you'll never answer this, but who are you providing these "counterpunches" for??? Who do you think you're convincing here???

[disneyspy]

It really is completely impossible for you to get it!!! You've been made to look the fool time and time again, yet you keep coming back! Masochism at its most bizarre!!! You simply cannot understand the difference, do you??? How do you think this is possibly comparable to what people have been talking about????

You say you're her to be a "counterpunch to progressives"...but why? I know you'll never answer this, but who are you providing these "counterpunches" for??? Who do you think you're convincing here???

forget it BJ,it has to be a bit,best advice treat him like we now treat the westmalboro baptists,ignore em til they go away

[jauble]

It really is completely impossible for you to get it!!! You've been made to look the fool time and time again, yet you keep coming back! Masochism at its most bizarre!!! You simply cannot understand the difference, do you??? How do you think this is possibly comparable to what people have been talking about????

You say you're her to be a "counterpunch to progressives"...but why? I know you'll never answer this, but who are you providing these "counterpunches" for??? Who do you think you're convincing here???

Anyone that tries to convince anyone else of something on the internet is a douchebag. You and me are included in this. Political posturing over a mass shooting is stupid. No one, with the exception of the shooter and the media, is happy with what happened.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It really is completely impossible for you to get it!!! You've been made to look the fool time and time again, yet you keep coming back! Masochism at its most bizarre!!! You simply cannot understand the difference, do you??? How do you think this is possibly comparable to what people have been talking about????

You say you're her to be a "counterpunch to progressives"...but why? I know you'll never answer this, but who are you providing these "counterpunches" for??? Who do you think you're convincing here???

Im not trying to convince anyone here. I just gave you another fucking example. Im here to show you that there's hatred and bile spewed on the left. If you dont like that there are different opinions here thats too fucking bad.

You think youre going to change my views? Dont listen to those smiley faces in your head

[WRESTLINGFAN]

forget it BJ,it has to be a bit,best advice treat him like we now treat the westmalboro baptists,ignore em til they go away

What a bitch comment plain and simple. Afraid of a debate when given a counter arguement

[jauble]

What a bitch comment plain and simple. Afraid of a debate when given a counter arguement

You guys aren't debating.

[Barnaby Jones]

Anyone that tries to convince anyone else of something on the internet is a douchebag. You and me are included in this. Political posturing over a mass shooting is stupid. No one, with the exception of the shooter and the media, is happy with what happened.

I totally agree!!! I just don't understand how someone can be so completely convinced they're right when they're so wrong!!! He got pissy over the idea that people don't like the wave of violent and pseudo-violent rhetoric clearly being championed by the Teabaggers and Teabaggers-lite and the politicians and media talking heads that court them (people that he repeatedly claims to not be able to stand, yet defends tooth and nail all the time), and now he's convinced that if he finds these random clips of people he thinks are "progressive" from over the last decade it's the same damn thing!!! It's just fundamentally flawed on a common sense level!!! He seriously just posted a clip of Chris Matthews talking about Limbaugh going out like a fucking Bond villain like he found the fucking Holy Grail!!! It's god damn weird!!!

[disneyspy]

You guys aren't debating.

we are if the word bitch gets used,looks like someones loosing it

[Barnaby Jones]

Im not trying to convince anyone here. I just gave you another fucking example. Im here to show you that there's hatred and bile spewed on the left. If you dont like that there are different opinions here thats too fucking bad.

You think youre going to change my views? Dont listen to those smiley faces in your head

Hey WF, how many times does somebody have to say NOBODY EVER SAID THERE AREN'T PEOPLE ON THE LEFT SAYING HATEFUL THINGS before you fucking get it??? Do you seriously think that anyone here has said that??? You must, because that's the only way to explain this nonsensical crusade you've gone on!!!

I don't give a shit about your views!!! I'm just baffled as to why you make things up to argue against!!! And yes, you must be trying to convince someone of something here!!! Why can't you answer my questions??? Why do you keep posting these "counterpunches" as if you need to set the record straight??? Personal satisfaction??? Don't you find it odd that nobody here ever actually agrees with you??

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Anyone that tries to convince anyone else of something on the internet is a douchebag. You and me are included in this. Political posturing over a mass shooting is stupid. No one, with the exception of the shooter and the media, is happy with what happened.

We are all guilty but it was the fuckbags on the left like Krugman who started all this. He writes a pathetic column, A sheriff goes on TV and blames talk radio and cable news without all the facts.

Palin should have manned up and made a genuine apology or said her map wasnt meant to cause any harm. But in the same time Krugman should issue an apology as well. But they wont, both are cowards

[jauble]

I totally agree!!! I just don't understand how someone can be so completely convinced they're right when they're so wrong!!! He got pissy over the idea that people don't like the wave of violent and pseudo-violent rhetoric clearly being championed by the Teabaggers and Teabaggers-lite and the politicians and media talking heads that court them (people that he repeatedly claims to not be able to stand, yet defends tooth and nail all the time), and now he's convinced that if he finds these random clips of people he thinks are "progressive" from over the last decade it's the same damn thing!!! It's just fundamentally flawed on a common sense level!!! He seriously just posted a clip of Chris Matthews talking about Limbaugh going out like a fucking Bond villain like he found the fucking Holy Grail!!! It's god damn weird!!!

You are the same person as WF just looking through the other side of the mirror.

[disneyspy]

You are the same person as WF just looking through the other side of the mirror.

wouldnt that be a window?

[jauble]

We are all guilty but it was the fuckbags on the left like Krugman who started all this. He writes a pathetic column, A sheriff goes on TV and blames talk radio and cable news.

Palin should have manned up and made a genuine apology or said her map wasnt meant to cause any harm. But in the same time Krugman should issue an apology as well. But they wont, both are cowards

You are guaranteeing both of them will continue to make money on bullshit.

[Barnaby Jones]

You are the same person as WF just looking through the other side of the mirror.

Feel free to show me all of the threads I've started ranting about random political issues that I just then keep posting in as if this is my personal political blog!!! Surely you're not blind, eh, jauble?? You really think there are people here besides WF doing what he does in this forum??? Let's see the examples!!!