Scott Walker the naturally thin Chris Christie

[epo]

Too late

you lost

We lost a battle. We shall win the war.

[hanso]

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Fight the good fight. You guys were so loud it blew the mics out.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Would love to see the aftermath. When 100K progressives get together theres tons of garbage left over. No wonder they are called slobs


It is class warfare. Its the provider class vs the demander class

[Dude!]

Would love to see the aftermath. When 100K progressives get together theres tons of garbage left over. No wonder they are called slobs


It is class warfare. Its the provider class vs the demander class



most of the protestors
were unkempt UW students
there for a good time

wannabe hippie freaktoids
just wanting to skip classes

if they were handing out
free joints, there would have
been a million of those low-lifes

epo probably has that up
his sleeve

[Syd]

Would love to see the aftermath. When 100K progressives get together theres tons of garbage left over. No wonder they are called slobs


It is class warfare. Its the provider class vs the demander class

No war but class war. Glad to see you're on board, WF.

[foodcourtdruide]

Would love to see the aftermath. When 100K progressives get together theres tons of garbage left over. No wonder they are called slobs


It is class warfare. Its the provider class vs the demander class

I'd like to say in advance that if you post a youtube of garbage left-over after the demonstration, you are insane and really need to get out of your house more.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'd like to say in advance that if you post a youtube of garbage left-over after the demonstration, you are insane and really need to get out of your house more.

I don't have to post anything, those slobs always leave a giant mess

[epo]

I don't have to post anything, those slobs always leave a giant mess

Actually classy individuals like us don't and we had volunteers who specifically were on trash detail to keep assholes like you from nitpicking our effort.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Actually classy individuals like us don't and we had volunteers who specifically were on trash detail to keep assholes like you from nitpicking our effort.



Your losing effort.

More power to you if you have ignorant stoners from the Universities out there just to be out there


Volunteers needed? Where are the Union workers who are supposed to clean up after the slobs

[foodcourtdruide]

Your losing effort.

More power to you if you have ignorant stoners from the Universities out there just to be out there


Volunteers needed? Where are the Union workers who are supposed to clean up after the slobs

Posts like this always invalidate any points you've made. You are really just a bitter person. I understand you have a different point of view, but to classify people who have a certain belief system as simply "ignorant stoners" is really a testimony to your ignorance.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Posts like this always invalidate any points you've made. You are really just a bitter person. I understand you have a different point of view, but to classify people who have a certain belief system as simply "ignorant stoners" is really a testimony to your ignorance.



A 20 year old college student really has life experience and knows about the so called working class

[epo]

Your losing effort.

More power to you if you have ignorant stoners from the Universities out there just to be out there


Volunteers needed? Where are the Union workers who are supposed to clean up after the slobs

When did I say the volunteers weren't union members?

[foodcourtdruide]

A 20 year old college student really has life experience and knows about the so called working class

And you do? Why? What do you do for a living?

[Drew85]

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/03/13/wi-repub-lives-outside-district-with-mistress-says-wife/

[WRESTLINGFAN]

And you do? Why? What do you do for a living?



Yes I do. I understand supply demand and economics. I don't need to explain my resume to you. I will say that my salary and benefits aren't from the public dole

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You can't have an endless supply of public workers with a shrinking tax base and think that the system will be able to sustain itself. The bottom line is that past politicians made promises they couldn't keep . Hence the term unfunded liabilities

[foodcourtdruide]

Yes I do. I understand supply demand and economics. I don't need to explain my resume to you. I will say that my salary and benefits aren't from the public dole

But it's ok for you to make these assumptions about these students? When I was in college I worked 3 jobs and went to school full-time. Are you going to tell me that I didn't know about the real world?

[foodcourtdruide]

You can't have an endless supply of public workers with a shrinking tax base and think that the system will be able to sustain itself. The bottom line is that past politicians made promises they couldn't keep . Hence the term unfunded liabilities

It's really telling that you pin all economic problems on the working class. It shows where your loyalties lie. Are you famliar with the Napolean character in Animal Farm?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

But it's ok for you to make these assumptions about these students? When I was in college I worked 3 jobs and went to school full-time. Are you going to tell me that I didn't know about the real world?

There are exceptions to every rule, as I worked about 25-30 hours a week during night hours while going to school full time. I'm sure that there are some college kids there who believe in the cause and have a part time job, but Generally speaking your average college sophomore doesn't want to dig in deeper, they see a bunch of people protesting and go join without knowing what's going on.

[foodcourtdruide]

There are exceptions to every rule, as I worked about 25-30 hours a week during night hours while going to school full time. I'm sure that there are some college kids there who believe in the cause and have a part time job, but Generally speaking your average college sophomore doesn't want to dig in deeper, they see a bunch of people protesting and go join without knowing what's going on.

You are basing that opinion on absolutely nothing. The movie Road Trip is not a valid source.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It's really telling that you pin all economic problems on the working class. It shows where your loyalties lie. Are you famliar with the Napolean character in Animal Farm?


The term working class is just thrown out there by progressives. Anyone who works is working class. It's not just the janitor or garbage man. Airline pilots and people who work on wall st who may not have the sexy investment banker or trader jobs are working class. The guy who owns a restaurant is working class is another example

[foodcourtdruide]

The term working class is just thrown out there by progressives. Anyone who works is working class. It's not just the janitor or garbage man. Airline pilots and people who work on wall st who may not have the sexy investment banker or trader jobs are working class. The guy who owns a restaurant is working class is another example

I am the fucking working class. I work on wall street, but I'm not an investment banker. I proudly associate myself with a janitor or garbage man and though I may make more money, I see no difference between us. Unlike you, I respect everyone who works and wish for the best for them. THAT is the working class. It's not a made up term.

[hanso]

Actually classy individuals like us don't and we had volunteers who specifically were on trash detail to keep assholes like you from nitpicking our effort.

Who is to say it's not the counter protesters doing it. The right has been known to plant agent provocateurs already.

[KnoxHarrington]

Who is to say it's not the counter protesters doing it. The right has been known to plant agent provocateurs already.

Like the "doctor" handing out "sick notes" at one of the protests already.

[weekapaugjz]

Who is to say it's not the counter protesters doing it. The right has been known to plant agent provocateurs already.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT5iHufm8ouQ-AhIAbOQ23veSNRPToFIZEzEruetbYrYMaV8jGyrw&t=1

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I am the fucking working class. I work on wall street, but I'm not an investment banker. I proudly associate myself with a janitor or garbage man and though I may make more money, I see no difference between us. Unlike you, I respect everyone who works and wish for the best for them. THAT is the working class. It's not a made up term.

Now you're just making assumptions. Your side does it all the time. I'm not saying you in particular but it's the progressives who believe that someone is smarter because he went to an ivy league school or is more qualified just because he spent his entire adult life in politics or being a lawyer. People brush off someone who wants to run for office because they didn't start off as a local legislator instead they worked in the private sector and don't have that pedigree.


As for me I don't look down on the security guard in the fancy office building on Fulton or Water Street you made that assumption.


My point is that collective bargaining is not a right it is a privilege and billing the taxpayer is also not a civil right. If people want to go into the public sector they do willingly that they are public servants. Their needs are no more significant or less than anyone else. They have the choice to find employment elsewhere if they feel they are underpaid

[foodcourtdruide]

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT5iHufm8ouQ-AhIAbOQ23veSNRPToFIZEzEruetbYrYMaV8jGyrw&t=1

How stupid is the guy in the backgrounds sign?

[foodcourtdruide]

Now you're just making assumptions. Your side does it all the time. I'm not saying you in particular but it's the progressives who believe that someone is smarter because he went to an ivy league school or is more qualified just because he spent his entire adult life in politics or being a lawyer. People brush off someone who wants to run for office because they didn't start off as a local legislator instead they worked in the private sector and don't have that pedigree.


As for me I don't look down on the security guard in the fancy office building on Fulton or Water Street you made that assumption.


My point is that collective bargaining is not a right it is a privilege and billing the taxpayer is also not a civil right. If people want to go into the public sector they do willingly that they are public servants. Their needs are no more significant or less than anyone else. They have the choice to find employment elsewhere if they feel they are underpaid

What is "my side"? Hi WRESTLINGFAN, my screenname on ronfez.net is foodcourtdruide. I am a human being and don't really subscribe to a "side". I lean towards liberal, but have many differing opinions from the stereotypical liberal. For example, I believe in lax gun laws and I'm very religious. When you address an opinion at me, and claim you are stating it because my "side" believes in it, you are wasting your time and actually insulting me.

As for your point on collective bargaining, while it may not be a right, it should be something that working people strive for. As a worker, I support my fellow workers. While Collective Bargaining is a privledge, it is not so outrageous that some asshole in Wisconsin who drastically cut taxes on the wealthy should be able to remove it. The fact that you line yourself up with the rich (while probably not being rich) says a lot about you.

[hanso]

The bill with 'budget' in the title gets passed by stripping all financial aspects therein.


Is this about money or not?

If so I think it saves something like less than 1%.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What is "my side"? Hi WRESTLINGFAN, my screenname on ronfez.net is foodcourtdruide. I am a human being and don't really subscribe to a "side". I lean towards liberal, but have many differing opinions from the stereotypical liberal. For example, I believe in lax gun laws and I'm very religious. When you address an opinion at me, and claim you are stating it because my "side" believes in it, you are wasting your time and actually insulting me.

As for your point on collective bargaining, while it may not be a right, it should be something that working people strive for. As a worker, I support my fellow workers. While Collective Bargaining is a privledge, it is not so outrageous that some asshole in Wisconsin who drastically cut taxes on the wealthy should be able to remove it. The fact that you line yourself up with the rich (while probably not being rich) says a lot about you.


Hi FCD

I will introduce myself. While I have right/libertarian leanings, I am not religious , I don't believe we should police the world, our DoD budget is too bloated and our drug laws , well some of them are too strict.


When it comes to collective bargaining privileges in the public sector, it's not justified because there is no competition when the government is a monopoly.


I am not rich, I do pretty well though. As far as the rich , why is there so much hatred? Sure some were born into it but some worked their way up.


Should we hate all rich people? How about Michael Moore and Bruce Springsteen. I disagree with his politics but if he can make 50 million off a tour then mazeltov

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I also believe that a salary anywhere of 250K isn't rich

1MM yes that's rich

[underdog]

And you do? Why? What do you do for a living?

He doesn't work.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What is "my side"? Hi WRESTLINGFAN, my screenname on ronfez.net is foodcourtdruide. I am a human being and don't really subscribe to a "side". I lean towards liberal, but have many differing opinions from the stereotypical liberal. For example, I believe in lax gun laws and I'm very religious. When you address an opinion at me, and claim you are stating it because my "side" believes in it, you are wasting your time and actually insulting me.

As for your point on collective bargaining, while it may not be a right, it should be something that working people strive for. As a worker, I support my fellow workers. While Collective Bargaining is a privledge, it is not so outrageous that some asshole in Wisconsin who drastically cut taxes on the wealthy should be able to remove it. The fact that you line yourself up with the rich (while probably not being rich) says a lot about you.

While you say you have some leanings like lax gun laws, on almost everything I believe in, you're the opposite whether it's economic , immigration or labor issues

[foodcourtdruide]

Hi FCD

I will introduce myself. While I have right/libertarian leanings, I am not religious , I don't believe we should police the world, our DoD budget is too bloated and our drug laws , well some of them are too strict.


When it comes to collective bargaining privileges in the public sector, it's not justified because there is no competition when the government is a monopoly.


I am not rich, I do pretty well though. As far as the rich , why is there so much hatred? Sure some were born into it but some worked their way up.


Should we hate all rich people? How about Michael Moore and Bruce Springsteen. I disagree with his politics but if he can make 50 million off a tour then mazeltov

Great, I'm happy we're no longer defining ourselves by "right" or "left". I have absolutely no hatred for the rich. However, I view resources as finite, and when resources are skewed too much to a small portion of the population I have a problem with it. I believe a "free-market" will naturally lead to an ogliarchy, just like I believe "communism" will naturally lead to a dictatorship. In both of these cases, democracy is thrown out the window. I disagree with your opinions on collective bargaining. Unskilled labor has just as many rights as skilled labor (I am definitely considered part of the skilled labor workforce), however they simply don't have the leverage that we do. They are human beings just like me, and I don't mind them having collective bargaining rights even if in the end it takes some money out of my paycheck.

I believe in unions, but unions must come under extreme scrutiny from the GOVERNMENT (both public and private unions). I agree that changes must be made, however Scott Walker and Chris Christie do not respect the American worker and puts brownie points from influential figures on the right ahead of what's best for ALL American workers (not just government workers).

[foodcourtdruide]

While you say you have some leanings like lax gun laws, on almost everything I believe in, you're the opposite whether it's economic , immigration or labor issues

Do you think the "left" has the same views on immigration or medical insurance as I do? There are very few things I agree with Obama on. One thing is his stance on gay marriage, that a civil union would make more sense. I believe in taking the power out of the word "marriage" and its religious affiliation, then working from there. Which, again, is not a very "left" way of thinking.

[foodcourtdruide]

Sorry guys, it's 2:30am in India and I have a meeting at 9:00am tomorrow morning. Pray for Japan! Goodnight!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Great, I'm happy we're no longer defining ourselves by "right" or "left". I have absolutely no hatred for the rich. However, I view resources as finite, and when resources are skewed too much to a small portion of the population I have a problem with it. I believe a "free-market" will naturally lead to an ogliarchy, just like I believe "communism" will naturally lead to a dictatorship. In both of these cases, democracy is thrown out the window. I disagree with your opinions on collective bargaining. Unskilled labor has just as many rights as skilled labor (I am definitely considered part of the skilled labor workforce), however they simply don't have the leverage that we do. They are human beings just like me, and I don't mind them having collective bargaining rights even if in the end it takes some money out of my paycheck.

I believe in unions, but unions must come under extreme scrutiny from the GOVERNMENT (both public and private unions). I agree that changes must be made, however Scott Walker and Chris Christie do not respect the American worker and puts brownie points from influential figures on the right ahead of what's best for ALL American workers (not just government workers).

You should take offense at some of these people who say that wall st workers rake in all the money. While that it's true and it is an oligarchy not everyone is getting million dollar bonuses. I saw that you posted that you work on wall st. I assume you are in operations ie settlements or corporate actions. Those aren't the sexy jobs and many in ops work long hours and mid level management like Asst VIce Presidents don't get overtime and may get only a few thousand at the end of the year come bonus time which is taxed at more than 40%. If my assumption was wrong I apologize in advance.

Many people don't know that a lot of the top guys on W Street are democrats. It's not an all GOP boys club.


Regarding excessive free trade I'm with you on that one. Repeal NAFTA. That's one of the causes of illegal immigration. I have always broken away from the established GOP regarding nafta .

[hanso]

How would having free trade with North America cause an upswing in llegal immigration?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

As with almost everything else, something designed to make things better makes them worse

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/18/weekinreview/18uchitelle.html

[hanso]

I thought I'd get yout POV on this. And respond.


That is an old article, surprised it's still around.



Here is one even older on how that guy writes.
http://old.nationalreview.com/kudlow/kudlow200502010857.asp

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Kudlow is an admitted excessive free trader and a proponent of open borders and amnesty. He's also a huge Neocon

[epo]

As with almost everything else, something designed to make things better makes them worse

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/18/weekinreview/18uchitelle.html

Nobody in Wisconsin cares about Illegal Immigration.

Stay on Topic: Scott Walker is a douchebag.

[Dude!]

Stay on Topic: Scott Walker is a douchebag.

the topic is Japan...
have you even watched
the news?

how can you be so
heartless to ignore the
colossal suffering there?

you should be sending
your farmers on tractors
to Japan to help out
instead of sending them
to college protests

[epo]

the topic is Japan...
have you even watched
the news?

how can you be so
heartless to ignore the
colossal suffering there?

you should be sending
your farmers on tractors
to Japan to help out
instead of sending them
to college protests

You obviously can't read: Scott Walker the thin Chris Christie

[Dude!]

You obviously can't read: Scott Walker the thin Chris Christie

you haven't said anything
sympathetic in the
earthquake thread

i would, but i am too sad
to do it

[WRESTLINGFAN]

you haven't said anything
sympathetic in the
earthquake thread

i would, but i am too sad
to do it

Now he hates Jews, Buddhists and Shintos

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Nobody in Wisconsin cares about Illegal Immigration.

Stay on Topic: Scott Walker is a douchebag.

OK Back to topic.

I saw Moore on Maddows show the other night and he's talking about taking back wealth and that it belongs to the people. Does he want to confiscate Microsoft and Apple? Does he want the government to shut those companies down? What about productivity. How about that these companies along with others donate to charity.


Should the rich pay more? Of course Revenue to the govt needs to be generated, However hypothetically if 99% of the wealth from the top 400 richest in the country is taken it still wouldnt be enough. Yes there is a revenue problem but there is also a spending problem in all levels of government and along with the debts and deficits, the looming problem is paying for promises made by the pols decades ago. Theres going to be a collapse eventually.

[Furtherman]

Generally speaking your average college sophomore doesn't want to dig in deeper, they see a bunch of people protesting and go join without knowing what's going on.

Holy dumb-ass statements Batman!

You continually make yourself look foolish while other refute your points. I don't know who you're trying to teach. Maybe dude!.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Holy dumb-ass statements Batman!

You continually make yourself look foolish while other refute your points. I don't know who you're trying to teach. Maybe dude!.

Someone with a Che Guevera T shirt really knows about labor, supply demand and budgets and the complexity of this issue in Wisconsin ?

Many see Tom Morello there and are just there to hear free music. Many who wear the Che clothing don't realize that they are contributing to capitalism even though Che was a Marxist. They are contradicting themselves.

If you think they do then stand by your point, Otherwise quit with the stupid childish remarks. because I have a differing opinion.



As I said in a previous post. Morello is the 1st one to shout police brutality and is a Mumia supporter, but there he is with the cops in Madison

[Furtherman]

Someone with a Che Guevera T shirt really knows about labor, supply demand and budgets and the complexity of this issue in Wisconsin ?

Many see Tom Morello there and are just there to hear free music. Many who wear the Che clothing don't realize that they are contributing to capitalism even though Che was a Marxist


If you think they do then stand by your point, Otherwise quit with the stupid childish remarks.

Che? Really? Could you be any more cliché? You view of a "typical college student" is cartoonish.

And yes, I stand by my point - your statements have been dumb-ass.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Che? Really? Could you be any more cliché? You view of a "typical college student" is cartoonish.

And yes, I stand by my point - your statements have been dumb-ass.

You get the point


BTW it isn't just college students who have his face plastered on their shirts. Its a worldwide merchandise logo directly opposite in what he was for.


Dumb ass to you and a few who are in favor of collective bargaining maybe.


Youre entitled to your opinion, however I stand by my view that Collective bargaining is a privilege and not a right, especially in the public sector.

[Pitdoc]

You should take offense at some of these people who say that wall st workers rake in all the money. While that it's true and it is an oligarchy not everyone is getting million dollar bonuses. I saw that you posted that you work on wall st. I assume you are in operations ie settlements or corporate actions. Those aren't the sexy jobs and many in ops work long hours and mid level management like Asst VIce Presidents don't get overtime and may get only a few thousand at the end of the year come bonus time which is taxed at more than 40%. If my assumption was wrong I apologize in advance.

Many people don't know that a lot of the top guys on W Street are democrats. It's not an all GOP boys club.



While I might (violently) disagree with most of what you say , I agree that Wall Streeters are apolitical,in that its not Dem or Repub, but Fuck You Jack, I'm Allright . Everybody should see INSIDE JOB. Of course ,if everybody did, they might burn down Wall Street and the banks.

Still, it's mostly the conservatives who want to keep the same practices that tossed everybody in the shitter going on Wall Street & the banks , like derivatives & credit swaps.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

While I might (violently) disagree with most of what you say , I agree that Wall Streeters are apolitical,in that its not Dem or Repub, but Fuck You Jack, I'm Allright . Everybody should see INSIDE JOB. Of course ,if everybody did, they might burn down Wall Street and the banks.

Still, it's mostly the conservatives who want to keep the same practices that tossed everybody in the shitter going on Wall Street & the banks , like derivatives & credit swaps.



The housing bubble wasn't just deregulation, that is just one part of it. Politicians in both parties are responsible as well. Throw in easy money by the Fed and like with a lot of other bubbles, it ended up blowing up

Housing prices went up too quickly. Many looked to their houses as ATMs instead of as its 1st purpose to be a roof over the head

Over the past 10 years there has been a dotcom and housing bust. Sadly this will not be the end. One thing that humans will not stop being is greedy. Im not defending this behavior but it is human nature. This isn't the last crisis.

[Pitdoc]

The housing bubble wasn't just deregulation, that is just one part of it. Politicians in both parties are responsible as well. Throw in easy money by the Fed and like with a lot of other bubbles, it ended up blowing up

Housing prices went up too quickly. Many looked to their houses as ATMs instead of as its 1st purpose to be a roof over the head

Over the past 10 years there has been a dotcom and housing bust. Sadly this will not be the end. One thing that humans will not stop being is greedy. Im not defending this behavior but it is human nature. This isn't the last crisis.

Who DIDN'T see this coming 5 years ago, when the prices of even a simple house supposedly "doubled"?
I had a girlfriend who owned a nice co-op in Brooklyn , who kept telling me how it was her "investment" , saying when she retired she'd sell it and get herself a nice summer house in Cape Cod . I kept trying to tell her it's not an investment, it's WHERE YOU LIVE , and if you sell it, you have to buy ANOTHER home at the same inflated prices .

Still, if you see Inside Job, you'll see most of the recession wasn't caused by people who bought houses, but by the motherfuckers who suddenly didn't CARE if those people could afford those houses, just as long as they made their commissions & bonuses .It's those motherfuckers who never broke a fingernail who broke the world.

[spoon]

And what about all the mocking of the teabaggers, You were fine with that ?


Pointing out people with signs that say get a brain morans and mocking them is ok (I happen to agree with making fun of them)

Not once have I said that, insinuated it and I'm not in a conversation with them on this board. Do you ever actually make an argument on point on the topic at hand with the person you're having it with?

[spoon]

Let's be very clear what this anti-union push is all about: Republicans recognize that unions are among the most powerful organizers for the Democratic Party, so they must be weakened, if not destroyed outright. This is not about "budgets" or "deficits." It's a total and complete power grab, a move to further marginalize their opposition.

And dumbasses like the Teabaggers cheer it on, fucking themselves over to feel like they "won".

I've put this out there a while back. It's clear when you look beyond the immediate impact of the votes.

However, it may very well increase their strength as people will see the need, value even more now and donate at an increased level to both unions and the dem party (or those in their corner). Regulation and unions must persist or we'll be fucked bc "free-market" dynamics only care about money, profit margins and stock prices.

[spoon]

I didnt accuse anyone here of that. Just saying where is the media on this? Where is Chris Matthews calling for civility? Like what happened after Tucson


They went viral after John lewis claimed someone called him the N word when Obamacare was about to get passed but there was no evidence.

Heres more tolerance by progressives.


http://www.620wtmj.com/shows/charliesykes/117764594.html

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You really expect people to believe that you have this email the following morning it was sent??? These emails are given to police for investigation. If this email IS real, what does it say to how far people are being pushed by these dirty politics? You don't just take 50 years of workers rights, rights that are NEEDED in jobs they perform. If you're smart, you'll realize WHY unions were formed in the first place. We ARE tax payers, we HAVE earned our pensions and our wages. The longer you're in a job, the more you make, except for the past 4 years when no wages have been increased but frozen. Tens of thousands of people at the capitol for three weeks says what exactly??? It says it's WRONG!
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Oh come on! Puhleaze, you think a union member sent this? Or even someone on their side? That is the most ridiculous e-mail I have ever seen. Sure, some group is going to murder 18 State Senators. It is so pathetically clear that this is a hoax perpetrated by Walker sympathizers, I am surprised Charlie reported it. Murdering the Senators would bring down all public unions and probably most private unions in the entire United States. A letter written as grammatically correct as that letter is not written by anyone who might mean it. I really don't think it is possible to be as coherent as the e-mail and yet be so incoherent as to believe that it would be good for your cause to kill State Senators. You can think what you want, though, I guess. Most any sensible person, however, is going to believe that it is a much greater likelihood that this was a hoax by a righty. Be careful what you wish for if the police find out the truth and prosecute. Have you read the reports of the union goons at the capitol? At Democrat recalls? They go fully to the edge of the law and stand there threateningly. They are well taught what those boundaries are and don't often cross them. They know them so well that when amateur protesters like tea partiers cross even the smallest line, the police will haul them away. This is not a case of police favoring unions, it is a simple case of education. There are enough serious issues out there.

this

[spoon]

Would love to see the aftermath. When 100K progressives get together theres tons of garbage left over. No wonder they are called slobs


It is class warfare. Its the provider class vs the demander class

"the provider class vs the demander class" and that slobs comment

For fuck's sake shut the hell up! You really are unbearable at this point.

[spoon]

A 20 year old college student really has life experience and knows about the so called working class

Nope, age and tenure should be the only thing of value and the measurement on how teachers should get paid right?! Ignorant doesn't even begin to cover my description of you at this point.

[spoon]

What is "my side"? Hi WRESTLINGFAN, my screenname on ronfez.net is foodcourtdruide. I am a human being and don't really subscribe to a "side". I lean towards liberal, but have many differing opinions from the stereotypical liberal. For example, I believe in lax gun laws and I'm very religious. When you address an opinion at me, and claim you are stating it because my "side" believes in it, you are wasting your time and actually insulting me.

As for your point on collective bargaining, while it may not be a right, it should be something that working people strive for. As a worker, I support my fellow workers. While Collective Bargaining is a privledge, it is not so outrageous that some asshole in Wisconsin who drastically cut taxes on the wealthy should be able to remove it. The fact that you line yourself up with the rich (while probably not being rich) says a lot about you.

Well done. I too lean left, but don't line up completely with the stereotypical views. While I do want the freedom to bear arms, I do also see the need for some better restrictions and or guidelines, such as mental health checks which would have barred the Giffords shooting if enforced bc he obtained his weapons legally. However I am not very religious, but do live by similar standards personally.

So Foody and I may not be from the same platform on every issue, we surely don't go out of our way to be assholes to each other while we discuss or argue about them. WF, you really have very little to zero tact in everything you post. It's as if you can't help yourself or have no real substance behind your views.

[spoon]

As with almost everything else, something designed to make things better makes them worse

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/18/weekinreview/18uchitelle.html

Nothing is so clear cut or one dimensional WF. There are other factors and the agreement was garbage to begin with, just like CAFTA in 05. They do nothing but bring down wages once again in the US, while opening up a HUGE cheap labor force for companies and CEOs to claim productivity quarter upon quarter by moving their factories to Mexico and now of course the even cheaper force in China. All the time the average worker across the globe makes less on average, has less rights and works in continually less safe environments. But hey, at least ceo frauds get to collect that bigger check (now ~ 300x the common worker) and bonus by pretty much doing nothing but selling out their own country's workers and helping cripple the US overall when all is said and done.

Meanwhile, Mexican manufacturers, once protected by tariffs on a host of products, were driven out of business as less expensive, higher quality merchandise flowed into the country. Later, China, with its even-cheaper labor, added to the pressure, luring away manufacturers and jobs.

Indeed, despite the influx of foreign-owned factories, total manufacturing employment in Mexico declined to 3.5 million by 2004 from a high of 4.1 million in 2000, according to a calculation of Robert A. Blecker, an American University economist.

As relatively well-paying jobs disappeared, Mexico’s average wage for production workers, already low, fell further behind the average hourly pay of production workers in the United States, and Mexicans responded by migrating.

“The main thing that would have stemmed the flow of people across the border was a rapid increase in wages in Mexico,” said Dani Rodrik, an economist and trade specialist at Harvard’s John F. Kennedy School of Government. “And that certainly has not happened.”

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Well done. I too lean left, but don't line up completely with the stereotypical views. While I do want the freedom to bear arms, I do also see the need for some better restrictions and or guidelines, such as mental health checks which would have barred the Giffords shooting if enforced bc he obtained his weapons legally. However I am not very religious, but do live by similar standards personally.

So Foody and I may not be from the same platform on every issue, we surely don't go out of our way to be assholes to each other while we discuss or argue about them. WF, you really have very little to zero tact in everything you post. It's as if you can't help yourself or have no real substance behind your views.

You just showed no tact by saying I have no substance where I point out my different views. I dont resort to name calling like many do here. That shows zero tact or discipline on their part.

I am not ashamed to have different opinions than you or someone elses, I stand behind them and if it bothers people here that I have different views than the majority then so be it

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Nope, age and tenure should be the only thing of value and the measurement on how teachers should get paid right?! Ignorant doesn't even begin to cover my description of you at this point.


Ignorant is believing that last in 1st out like what the unions support is good policy.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

"the provider class vs the demander class" and that slobs comment

For fuck's sake shut the hell up! You really are unbearable at this point.

The taxpayer isnt a provider? The public sector union members who believe that collective bargaining is a right aren't demanding anything? Hw much clearer can I be?

Yes, anyone throwing trash all over the place and damaging property is a fucking slob.


Bear with that

[spoon]

that's what they are doing, just visiting the capitol to throw trash all over and damage property

ur hilarious

[WRESTLINGFAN]

that's what they are doing, just visiting the capitol to throw trash all over and damage property

ur hilarious

Yup thats another reason. Thanks for clarifying

[spoon]

Yup thats another reason. Thanks for clarifying

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kpex6aTIto1qztt73o1_400.jpg

[Syd]

The taxpayer isnt a provider? The public sector union members who believe that collective bargaining is a right aren't demanding anything? Hw much clearer can I be?

Yes, anyone throwing trash all over the place and damaging property is a fucking slob.


Bear with that

The public sector is providing for a demand that the public is providing the pay for which to employ people who provide for the demand of the public.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The public sector is providing for a demand that the public is providing the pay for which to employ people who provide for the demand of the public.

I know there is demand, however when the demand outweighs supply, then theres an imbalance.


The unions can not continue to have so many members and continue to want collective bargaining privileges. There isnt an unlimited supply of taxpayers.

Same thing with a private company. If they are at capacity in regards to workers, people can demand to carry signs outside reading JOBS NOW!!! An owner is not going to bring on more people and take on more labor cost

[Syd]

I know there is demand, however when the demand outweighs supply, then theres an imbalance.


The unions can not continue to have so many members and continue to want collective bargaining privileges. There isnt an unlimited supply of taxpayers.

Same thing with a private company. If they are at capacity in regards to workers, people can demand to carry signs outside reading JOBS NOW!!! An owner is not going to bring on more people and take on more labor cost

Collective bargaining has nothing to do with supply and demand.

[Crispy_Mobile]

The public sector is providing for a demand that the public is providing the pay for which to employ people who provide for the demand of the public.

I love how the wackadoos try to paint it as the public sector workers vs the taxpayers, when the public sector workers ARE the taxpayers.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I love how the wackadoos try to paint it as the public sector workers vs the taxpayers, when the public sector workers ARE the taxpayers.

Sure, the ones who pay sales tax gas tax etc. Some might be property owners. However, property owners in the private sector paying taxes, arent doing so for their self interest.

A public sector worker paying taxes is indirectly paying himself.


Just like when people say anyone who files a return is a taxpayer. Thats wrong !!!!

If someone files a return and gets an equal or greater amt back as a return, they may pay taxes, but they are not a taxpayer, hence they are part of the zero liability voters.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

For weeks we have been hearing that the right has the Kochsuckers which funds many of their causes. Theres no arguing there, I know they fund the Amer Enterprise Inst. for example.


However, the left isnt innocent either. It doesnt even have to be mentioned by Glenn Beck. George Soros has been funding progressive causes before the Beckster became a household word.

If the tons of money going towards PACs /Politicians has to stop make it for both sides. When it comes to the rich, there are a lot of people who think its only the GOP. Besides the music and entertainment industey a lot of rich people are Democrats, Buffett, Gates is an example. Maybe the citizens united case needs to be looked at again.

[underdog]

Kochsuckers

Beckster

:wallbash:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

:wallbash:

Teabaggers ?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The letter might be just some nut rambling as shown in bold.


This includes, your house, your car, the state capitol, and well I won't
tell you all of them because that's just no fun. Since we know that you are
not smart enough to figure out why this is happening to you we have decided
to make it perfectly clear to you. If you and your goonies feel that it's
necessary to strip the rights of 300,000 people and ruin their lives, making
them unable to feed, clothe, and provide the necessities to their families
and themselves then We Will "get rid of" (in which I mean kill) you. Please
understand that this does not include the heroic Rep. Senator that risked
everything to go aganist what you and your goonies wanted him to do. We feel
that it's worth our lives to do this, because we would be saving the lives
of 300,000 people. Please make your peace with God as soon as possible and
say goodbye to your loved ones we will not wait any longer. YOU WILL DIE!!!!



who writes goonies when refering to someones cohorts ?

[KnoxHarrington]

The whole mess in Wisconsin looks like it's gonna be used as a rallying cry for Democrats.

During a Tuesday conference call with reporters, [Sen. Chuck] Schumer labeled members of the House GOP “Scott Walker Republicans” for demanding that policies unrelated to the budget -- embedded within dozens of "riders" -- remain in a bill ostensibly meant to keep the government funded.

“[T]oo many Republicans want more than spending cuts,” said the New York Democrat. “They also want to impose their entire social agenda. Now, we have seen this type of overreach recently, in the recent battle in Wisconsin, where Governor Scott Walker went to war with his public sector unions. Governor Walker started out seeking concessions from unions on their benefits in order to reduce the Wisconsin budget shortfall. In the spirit of cooperation, unions agreed to reduce their benefits. But Walker didn’t take 'yes' for an answer, he went further and insisted on ending collective bargaining entirely. The budget fight going on here is not really about budget cuts, either.”

I think this is part of a larger problem for the Republicans. People want them to do stuff to help protect their jobs, and they're wasting time on teabagger bullshit.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/15/schumer-scott-walker-republicans_n_836006.html

[foodcourtdruide]

A public sector worker paying taxes is indirectly paying himself.



.

But you can say the same exact thing about people in the private sector. Taxes aren't the ONLY thing we pay for, and distribution of taxes don't ONLY go to public sector workers. Don't you think that the wealthiest Americans takes a larger share of the pie than that of all public workers combined? If so, then why don't you have an issue with THAT? You seem to only be for free-market capitalism when it favors the wealthy.

It's very odd to me. There is a finite amount of capital in this country, and a HUGE majority of it sits with this small group of people and you are totally fine with it. They live well beyond their means, and you are totally OK. However, a smaller percentage of our capital being given to a much larger percentage of people makes you angry. You refuse to acknowledge that public sector workers are even tax payers, because they receive their money from our capital, but you wouldn't say that about private sector workers, who recieve their moeny from our capital as well. I think you've fallen for the dog and pony show of reaganomics.

Why is a percentage of your weath being given to taxes not OK, but a percentage of your weath indirectly being given to the wealthiest people in this country OK?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

But you can say the same exact thing about people in the private sector. Taxes aren't the ONLY thing we pay for, and distribution of taxes don't ONLY go to public sector workers. Don't you think that the wealthiest Americans takes a larger share of the pie than that of all public workers combined? If so, then why don't you have an issue with THAT? You seem to only be for free-market capitalism when it favors the wealthy.

It's very odd to me. There is a finite amount of capital in this country, and a HUGE majority of it sits with this small group of people and you are totally fine with it. They live well beyond their means, and you are totally OK. However, a smaller percentage of our capital being given to a much larger percentage of people makes you angry. You refuse to acknowledge that public sector workers are even tax payers, because they receive their money from our capital, but you wouldn't say that about private sector workers, who recieve their moeny from our capital as well. I think you've fallen for the dog and pony show of reaganomics.

Why is a percentage of your weath being given to taxes not OK, but a percentage of your weath indirectly being given to the wealthiest people in this country OK?

When it comes to private sector industries, I should have mentioned that some actually benefit from tax dollars. IE The energy industry. Cut all subsidies for oil, wid solar and the biggest scam ethanol. same goes for Agri-business. The financial sector and GM got bailed out with tax dollars, I was opposed to that.

As far as my taxdollars going towards basic government functions like for example on the local level for police fire etc salaries thats not my issue, its the collective bargaining that I take issue with.

I know that CEOs used to make 40X the wrorkers salary but now its like 300-400X. If we are going to make this an issue, it shouldnt be just for corporations. Why does Matt Damon make 20MM per film but the best boy gets a fraction of that. If the movie is a complete bust. Damon will still get his quote for the next movie.


Agreed on capital being limited but in the private sector there is competition. Government doesnt have that.

The bigger picture is that the whole tax structure needs to be looked at. There are too many loopholes. Corporations do it but so do a lot of people.


I still believe in the whole tradeoff comparison btwn public and private sector. In the public sector there is more job security, teachers, nurses etc dont have to worry about being outsourced to India. Wall St has taken a beating from this. I have a few friends who were victim to this. A lot of the operations departments have been shipped off.The city of Pune India is the new Wall Street.

[Syd]

Can we discuss this yet?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20042299-503544.html

Michigan is looking to create a law that allows an appointed official -- not necessarily a person, but perhaps even a company, to oversee a town that is deemed to be in a fiscal crisis. So, in order to prevent big government you have to use government to violate the rights of citizens to ensure that there is no big government, because the government has been replaced by a private entity.

[disneyspy]

Can we discuss this yet?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20042299-503544.html

Michigan is looking to create a law that allows an appointed official -- not necessarily a person, but perhaps even a company, to oversee a town that is deemed to be in a fiscal crisis. So, in order to prevent big government you have to use government to violate the rights of citizens to ensure that there is no big government, because the government has been replaced by a private entity.

oh robocop,where are you in our time of need!

[spoon]

Can we discuss this yet?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20042299-503544.html

Michigan is looking to create a law that allows an appointed official -- not necessarily a person, but perhaps even a company, to oversee a town that is deemed to be in a fiscal crisis. So, in order to prevent big government you have to use government to violate the rights of citizens to ensure that there is no big government, because the government has been replaced by a private entity.

Come on, at least he's doing this too!

Snyder has also proposed eliminating $1.7 billion in tax breaks for individuals while cutting $1.8 billion in taxes for businesses to spur job growth. Much of the $1.7 billion in new tax revenue would be "coming from retirees, senior citizens and the working poor," the Free Press wrote in an editorial.

[Syd]

yeah, that too. Michigan's sure to escape the crippling recession cycle it finds itself in.

[Pitdoc]

Can we discuss this yet?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20042299-503544.html

Michigan is looking to create a law that allows an appointed official -- not necessarily a person, but perhaps even a company, to oversee a town that is deemed to be in a fiscal crisis. So, in order to prevent big government you have to use government to violate the rights of citizens to ensure that there is no big government, because the government has been replaced by a private entity.

Ah yes, the Republican continuing their LATERAL movement of budgets from the people to the corporations. When a Democrat tried to install an amendment onto the law that each one of these "overseers" could not be paid more per year than the governor,which is $160K a year. The Republicans voted that DOWN.So the Governor could install one of his buddies into a job running a town, he could fire all the teachers or negate all contracts or pensions, and get paid a cool half mil while doing it. Yes, once again , sane fiscal responsibility.

[epo]

Restraining Order Issued on Union Busting Law: (http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/118242814.html)

Public employees won a reprieve Friday as a judge issued a temporary restraining order to halt Gov. Scott Walker's law to sharply limit collective bargaining for government employees.

Republicans vowed to appeal as early as Monday the decision by Dane County Circuit Judge Maryann Sumi. GOP lawmakers declined to say whether they might also consider the separate tactic of passing the bill through the Legislature again.

If the battle remains in the courts, it seems almost certain to wind up before the state Supreme Court.

And the mess continues in Wisconsin...

[Furtherman]

No degree, little experience pay off big (http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/noquarter/119159584.html)

Out state is broke! Our employees are paid to much!

Except this guy.

Just in his mid-20s, Brian Deschane has no college degree, very little management experience and two drunken-driving convictions.

Yet he has landed an $81,500-per-year job in Gov. Scott Walker's administration overseeing environmental and regulatory matters and dozens of employees at the Department of Commerce. Even though Walker says the state is broke and public employees are overpaid, Deschane already has earned a promotion and a 26% pay raise in just two months with the state.

How did Deschane score his plum assignment with the Walker team?

It's all in the family.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Update on Wisconsin supreme court
Looks like the Union darling is going to lose by 7500 votes. Turns out in Waukesha county the vote count wasn't sent out. All that money those unions pissed away were pissed away in vain

[epo]

Update on Wisconsin supreme court
Looks like the Union darling is going to lose by 7500 votes. Turns out in Waukesha county the vote count wasn't sent out. All that money those unions pissed away were pissed away in vain

I was in the room for that press conference. Let me tell you that the lawyers are going to have a field day with that County Clerk.

[Dude!]

I was in the room for that press conference. Let me tell you that the lawyers are going to have a field day with that County Clerk.

let the lawyers waste
even more of the left's money

that hideous jewish bitch
lost by like 8,000 votes
after all is said and done

keep on depleting those
union funds for stuff like this

[WRESTLINGFAN]

let the lawyers waste
even more of the left's money

that hideous jewish bitch
lost by like 8,000 votes
after all is said and done

keep on depleting those
union funds for stuff like this

Hey, At least Epo is happy a jew lost.

[Dude!]

these awful, selfish, greedy
union thugs will stop at nothing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcuqM1LEi5c&feature=youtu.be

thank god that scott walker
will prevail

[Earlshog]

No degree, little experience pay off big (http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/noquarter/119159584.html)

Out state is broke! Our employees are paid to much!

Except this guy.

This Brian Deschane sounds like the life of the party!!!!:drunk:

[Zorro]

these awful, selfish, greedy
union thugs will stop at nothing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcuqM1LEi5c&feature=youtu.be

thank god that scott walker
will prevail

They're retarded... thought is was a parade

[Syd]

these awful, selfish, greedy
union thugs will stop at nothing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcuqM1LEi5c&feature=youtu.be

thank god that scott walker
will prevail

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[Syd]

what we're likely looking forward to with the GDP

to the yokels: BALANCE THE BUDGET!!! DEFICIT BAD!!!

to their sponsors: of course we'll lower the fuck out of your taxes

All together, Pawlenty’s tax proposal would generate an average revenue level of just 13.6 percent of GDP from 2013-2021. That translates to a tax cut of $7.8 trillion, and that’s on top of $2.5 trillion cost of extending all of the Bush tax cuts (see below for details on how this estimate was calculated).

Pawlenty also says that he will balance the budget, and cap spending at 18 percent of GDP. Unfortunately for Pawlenty, his tax plan leaves him about $8.4 trillion short. Given that reality, he can either embrace a huge middle-class tax increase, or give up his claims to a balanced budget. If he doesn’t make up that revenue, deficits and debt will skyrocket, even if he does slash spending back to levels not seen in half a century.

So, for the budget to be balanced for Pawlenty the GDP would need to something like double or triple in order to make up for the revenue losses.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Suspended 15 times. Gotta love these public sector unions. They finally decide to can him


http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/06/16/2011-06-16_face_it__yer_soooo_busted_li_mta_driver_used_ri de_to_meet_up_with_gal_pal_li_sus.html

[epo]

Tuesday via the recall election, Wisconsin will flip control of the State Senate...rendering Governor Scott Walker & his cronies essentially useless.

[epo]

Our revenge begins tomorrow.

[Dude!]

Tuesday via the recall election, Wisconsin will flip control of the State Senate...rendering Governor Scott Walker & his cronies essentially useless.

gawd, you are such a dolt

your political instincts are bizzaro...
outcomes are always
the exact opposite of what you predict

republicans won 4 of the 6 elections
and keep control

thank you, though, for wasting
millions and millions of dollars
of union dues on failed elections

[sailor]

You have to admit it was genius of walker to organize those mobs.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Anyone check on Ed Schultz, He must be devastated

[epo]

gawd, you are such a dolt

your political instincts are bizzaro...
outcomes are always
the exact opposite of what you predict

republicans won 4 of the 6 elections
and keep control

thank you, though, for wasting
millions and millions of dollars
of union dues on failed elections

Actually, we won 2 districts that the GOP won during the Obama wave. I'd say that's pretty damn good.

And at some point next year....Walker's next.

[hanso]

Sounds like it's split now. With one GOP that leans left.

[epo]

Sounds like it's split now. With one GOP that leans left.

Exactly. There are actually 2 pretty moderate republicans in the Senate and 3 republicans who are in districts who are vulnerable for voting in a very extreme fashion.

These recalls were effective in bringing the state back to the middle.

[Dude!]

Exactly. There are actually 2 pretty moderate republicans in the Senate and 3 republicans who are in districts who are vulnerable for voting in a very extreme fashion.

These recalls were effective in bringing the state back to the middle.

Alberta Darling 54%
Jewish Bitch 46%

it was a disaster for you
and your union thugs
and you know it

[sailor]

Exactly. There are actually 2 pretty moderate republicans in the Senate and 3 republicans who are in districts who are vulnerable for voting in a very extreme fashion.

These recalls were effective in bringing the state back to the middle.

Or, they were effective in disallowing the votes of the people who voted these politicians into office. All depends on how you look at it, I suppose.

[epo]

Alberta Darling 54%
Jewish Bitch 46%

it was a disaster for you
and your union thugs
and you know it

I want to point this out.

You are clearly an anti-semite.

[Dude!]

I want to point this out.

You are clearly an anti-semite.

i learned that from you

too bad you guys
wasted $20 million
of union dues

[spoon]

I want to point this out.

You are clearly an anti-semite.

"and you know it"

[Dude!]

"and you know it"

"and so do you"

no jews allowed on your
preppy hockey team

you said so, Fauntleroy

[spoon]

"and so do you"

no jews allowed on your
preppy hockey team

you said so, Fauntleroy

no you said this
and as per your norm you were wrong

I just mentioned some diversity,
not all of it and as usual you made
a mockery of any normal conversation.

There is two Jewish kids on the team,
and two guys married to Jewish women.

This ok with you now? Of course it's
not, dumb question.

^Does that read easier for you?^

[Dude!]

There is two Jewish kids on the team,
and two guys married to Jewish women.

wow...you really keep
careful track of everyone's
race and ethnicity

I'm glad i just see "people"
while you see nothing but
racial differences

kind of sad, really

[spoon]

again, no

you really can't help yourself huh?

[epo]

Scott Walker, Wisconsin Governor, Eyed In Corruption Probe After FBI Raid On Cynthia Archer's Home (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/16/scott-walker-cynthia-archer-fbi-raid-wisconsin_n_965899.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003)

And the beginning of the end has started for Scott Walker...

[epo]

Walker spokesman granted immunity in John Doe investigation (http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_d887e994-e630-11e0-90ce-001cc4c03286.html)

Gov. Scott Walker's spokesman and two others have been granted immunity in an investigation of the governor's current and former aides.

Retired Waukesha County Judge Neal Nettesheim said Friday that he granted immunity to Walker spokesman Cullen Werwie, Wisconsin and Southern Railroad spokesman Ken Lucht and Milwaukee County Republican Party official Roseann Dieck.

The end is near for the thin Chris Christie...

[Dude!]

The end is near for the thin Chris Christie...


***yawn***

one thing is known for sure...
when epo predicts something
it does not come true

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Union thuggery? What a surprise


http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/judge-fines-longshore-union-250000-tactics-14641640

[Donnie Iris]

Union thuggery? What a surprise


http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/judge-fines-longshore-union-250000-tactics-14641640

Oh, so you're doing a Colbertesque character? Now I get it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Oh, so you're doing a Colbertesque character? Now I get it.



Not exactly


I don't need 15 writers

[epo]

November 15, 2011.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

November 15, 2011.

The Cardinals will have their WS parade that late?

[Dude!]

The Cardinals will have their WS parade that late?

HA HA !

[WRESTLINGFAN]

HA HA !

Or is it when the Cubs sign Prince Fielder?

[epo]

Goodbye Scott Walker (http://www.wisdems.org/RecallHQ)

[epo]

November 15, 2011.

Today

[WRESTLINGFAN]

OK Fair enough. Get your 500K signatures, vote to recall Walker, get your collective bargaining back if that happens.


When there's no money you fuckers in WI can all drop dead if you think you are entitled to get bailed out by people in other states.

[epo]

OK Fair enough. Get your 500K signatures, vote to recall Walker, get your collective bargaining back if that happens.

When there's no money you fuckers in WI can all drop dead if you think you are entitled to get bailed out by people in other states.

540,208

And Wisconsin actually had a surplus before this douchenozzle gave away billions in taxes when he came into office. He created a fake crisis, then fucked the workers to fix it.

He's done.

[Kevin]

540,208

And Wisconsin actually had a surplus before this douchenozzle gave away billions in taxes when he came into office. He created a fake crisis, then fucked the workers to fix it.

He's done.

If one thing you should have learned over the past few years and especially 2 3weeks. Never underestimate the idiocy of people.

People voted the same guys who fucked up the economy back in after 2yrs and your state ousted a long time respected Senator for one.

The shit going on in Penn St where they don't want to hear any facts they just stick to one thinking


To make a sure statement these days is pretty risky.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If one thing you should have learned over the past few years and especially 2 3weeks. Never underestimate the idiocy of people.
People voted the same guys who fucked up the economy back in after 2yrs and your state ousted a long time respected Senator for one.

The shit going on in Penn St where they don't want to hear any facts they just stick to one thinking


To make a sure statement these days is pretty risky.

http://reddogreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Obama-2012-logo-300x163.jpg

[spoon]

http://reddogreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Obama-2012-logo-300x163.jpg

His slogan should simply be, "Bc the other options are so solid."

[WRESTLINGFAN]

His slogan should simply be, "Bc the other options are so solid."

Better yet. Gimme 4 more years to fuck shit up even more.

[Kevin]

Better yet. Gimme 4 more years to fuck shit up even more.


Right because things were running so smoothly with the previous guy.

[spoon]

Better yet. Gimme 4 more years to fuck shit up even more.

And just what did he fuck up personally that wasn't already in decline or a mess? The economy, health care, multiple wars...etc.? To me, 95% of his mess was handed off and then blamed solely on the next guy. I'm sorry, Obama wasn't as assertive as I had hoped in getting things done, but he surely went from blocked early on everything they could, to simply stalled at this point. My hope is it's him or at worst Mitt bc everyone else the repubs offer simply scare the fuck out of me.

In another thread you act like it's a revelation that both parties receive money from corps. Who doesn't know that? Yet as small a difference there is bt the parties, there is a fundamental difference. GE and other comps will end up paying more taxes the same as others if Obama does get the tax reform he wants, so how is his relationship hurting us? He did what a good politician does, enrolled some of the other side to see both ends of the spectrum, bc GE's head is no fucking Dem I'll promise you that. If anything, it's Lincoln-esque in bringing those of opposing view to the table in a better way, as opposed to pushing them out and causing more of a fight.

[Dude!]

If anything, it's Lincoln-esque in bringing those of opposing view to the table in a better way, as opposed to pushing them out and causing more of a fight.

seriously, you give Kevin
a run for the money
in the stupidity department

[spoon]

seriously, you give Kevin
a run for the money
in the stupidity department

there isn't one person on this board who values your opinion in any way

not sure why you even bother



how about you explain your view on what I said, versus just writing your idiotic style posts with zero content as per the norm?

how long until you bring up tired lines that have not been mentioned and hold no connection to said thread/posts?

my guess is ur next post...can you fight it? highly unlikely

[WRESTLINGFAN]

And just what did he fuck up personally that wasn't already in decline or a mess? The economy, health care, multiple wars...etc.? To me, 95% of his mess was handed off and then blamed solely on the next guy. I'm sorry, Obama wasn't as assertive as I had hoped in getting things done, but he surely went from blocked early on everything they could, to simply stalled at this point. My hope is it's him or at worst Mitt bc everyone else the repubs offer simply scare the fuck out of me.

In another thread you act like it's a revelation that both parties receive money from corps. Who doesn't know that? Yet as small a difference there is bt the parties, there is a fundamental difference. GE and other comps will end up paying more taxes the same as others if Obama does get the tax reform he wants, so how is his relationship hurting us? He did what a good politician does, enrolled some of the other side to see both ends of the spectrum, bc GE's head is no fucking Dem I'll promise you that. If anything, it's Lincoln-esque in bringing those of opposing view to the table in a better way, as opposed to pushing them out and causing more of a fight.

Everyone was shitting a brick that a President McCain would be a 3rd Bush term when in fact Obama is a neocon just like dubya was. What makes you think that Immelt is not a republican. There are a shitload of rich democrats too. They grease the palms of their guy.

Even if there are reforms, Companies are still going to hire armies of accountants and lawyers to find loopholes. Even if there are any reforms or higher rates theres thousands of accountants who can find them.

[Kevin]

seriously, you give Kevin
a run for the money
in the stupidity department

Awwe snookums, did another mean girl laugh at you this weekend?

She was a size queen anyway. Cheer up!

And go wings!

[spoon]

Immelt heads up one of the most important US companies left, if not THE most important, so I guess he's not a good candidate for the position either right?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Immelt heads up one of the most important US companies left, if not THE most important, so I guess he's not a good candidate for the position either right?

And what is Immelt doing? Offshoring jobs by the hundreds of thousands. Recently an aviation division was shipped off to China


Ed Schultz bitches about outsourcing every night but his fucking boss is one of the main players.

[Kevin]

Immelt heads up one of the most important US companies left, if not THE most important, so I guess he's not a good candidate for the position either right?

Well GE is the leader in outsourcing jobs by far. So that's kinda iffy.

But he is a Rep. He said on 60mins how his parents watch fox news 24/7 and how they told him to not take the job.

[spoon]

Everyone was shitting a brick that a President McCain would be a 3rd Bush term when in fact Obama is a neocon just like dubya was. What makes you think that Immelt is not a republican. There are a shitload of rich democrats too. They grease the palms of their guy.

Even if there are reforms, Companies are still going to hire armies of accountants and lawyers to find loopholes. Even if there are any reforms or higher rates theres thousands of accountants who can find them.

Obama a neocon, hardly. If anything, he was stalled by the entrenched on both sides coming in, as happens with most new presidents. It's clear that many even on his side of the fence pushed back in big ways to some of his more sweeping reform ideas, and the true test, which we may not see, would be a second term. However, I agree on the accountants angle, but that can be stopped with a simple sliding scale tax code with no loopholes. It can be fixed, to say otherwise is crazy.

And I've always said one party is married to big business and the other is sleeping with it. I've heard it said before in this way, and it is very true I agree. To me, you just have to align yourself with what you believe is the lesser of two evils unfortunately. I'm not some huge Obama fan, I just think he would help direct us in the better route for what we need right now, versus other options out there. Most definitely over as you said a third Bush term under McCain/Palin. Was he the answer to all the problems out there? No, that's simply unrealistic and impossible being that the country was handed off in the worst shape since the depression. However, I truly think we'd be in much deeper shit right now if not for him winning the election, just as we wouldn't be here if Bush lost to Gore or Kerry. It wouldn't be pretty, but the financial ind wouldn't have fleeced the country as it was allowed under W.

[spoon]

And what is Immelt doing? Offshoring jobs by the hundreds of thousands. Recently an aviation division was shipped off to China


Ed Schultz bitches about outsourcing every night but his fucking boss is one of the main players.

Like I stated, he's not with Obama clearly, he's about the company's bottom line. I don't argue he's doing great things for the US and GE in the US, but it's one of the country's last strong companies...partially bc it adapted and went the route you speak of. So we need to find ways of course to quell this migration of our jobs by both protecting our market while it still exists and many other options. I know this opens up a HUGE debate on tariffs and free trade, but until we see workers rights and wages become somewhat equal around the world and shipping costs continue to drop (minus gas prices), we'll continue to lose jobs to developing markets.

[Kevin]

Obama a neocon, hardly. If anything, he was stalled by the entrenched on both sides coming in, as happens with most new presidents. It's clear that many even on his side of the fence pushed back in big ways to some of his more sweeping reform ideas, and the true test, which we may not see, would be a second term. However, I agree on the accountants angle, but that can be stopped with a simple sliding scale tax code with no loopholes. It can be fixed, to say otherwise is crazy.

And I've always said one party is married to big business and the other is sleeping with it. I've heard it said before in this way, and it is very true I agree. To me, you just have to align yourself with what you believe is the lesser of two evils unfortunately. I'm not some huge Obama fan, I just think he would help direct us in the better route for what we need right now, versus other options out there. Most definitely over as you said a third Bush term under McCain/Palin. Was he the answer to all the problems out there? No, that's simply unrealistic and impossible being that the country was handed off in the worst shape since the depression. However, I truly think we'd be in much deeper shit right now if not for him winning the election, just as we wouldn't be here if Bush lost to Gore or Kerry. It wouldn't be pretty, but the financial ind wouldn't have fleeced the country as it was allowed under W.

I agree with most of that.

I just disagree with the Kerry part.

He would have been an utter disaster which would have led to McCain Palin which would have been an even bigger disaster.

I'm not happy with this admin but its still a hell of alot better options than what else is out there.

[spoon]

While Kerry had his faults, I can't think he'd be as awful as W and the crew who controlled him for 4 years. I may be wrong, but I just can't buy that. What good ever came of any Bush policy or tactic? EVER? I guess conservs will stated deregulation of so many industries but to what end? The classic gov sucks so we'll take all we can, make it bigger but help it fail to prove we're right ($$$$). Right Brownie!?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

GE also received a bailout, to be exact, its financial entity GE Capital.

MSNBC is still partly owned by GE the rest is COMCAST. Obama has a news channel in the tank for him. Once the primaries are over and a candidate is chosen MSNBC is going all in.

From 5-11 PM there are hosts that will promote the hell out of the administration

Matthews
Sharpton
Schultz
Maddow
O'donnell


Granted Fox has O Reilly and Hannity, Ill give you that.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

While Kerry had his faults, I can't think he'd be as awful as W and the crew who controlled him for 4 years. I may be wrong, but I just can't buy that. What good ever came of any Bush policy or tactic? EVER? I guess conservs will stated deregulation of so many industries but to what end? The classic gov sucks so we'll take all we can, make it bigger but help it fail to prove we're right ($$$$). Right Brownie!?

Bush was no conservative. He expanded the federal government the most since LBJ. Just because Bush invoked God doesnt mean hes a conservative.

[spoon]

GE also received a bailout, to be exact, its financial entity GE Capital.

MSNBC is still partly owned by GE the rest is COMCAST. Obama has a news channel in the tank for him. Once the primaries are over and a candidate is chosen MSNBC is going all in.

From 5-11 PM there are hosts that will promote the hell out of the administration

Matthews
Sharpton
Schultz
Maddow
O'donnell


Granted Fox has O Reilly and Hannity, Ill give you that.

I highly doubt Matthews is bought, among others on MSNBC, as it's clearly their belief. In the tank in terms of their belief right now, sure but it's not as you allude to. O'Reilly, Hannity and even more so Rush, seem quite the opposite. As if they HAVE to follow marching orders, hell some even think Rush has influence over said planning/direction. And to me that's a huge issue with both parties, but more so the Repub side. The dems seem to be countering this by doing it as well, but not to the same extent/means. The right is led by entertainers and their extremes bc they have too much influence. The left can be influenced in the same way I guess, but to a much lesser extent.

Case and point, the tea party vs ows. The tea party all but fucking owns the right and hijacked its direction and core values. The OWS movement has not really been embraced by the left, outside of giving some moral support and hearing their message. They surely aren't impacting the parties in the same fashion, not even close.

[spoon]

Bush was no conservative. He expanded the federal government the most since LBJ. Just because Bush invoked God doesnt mean hes a conservative.

Bush is your classic conservative, say one thing and do the other when it benefits you and yours. Reagan raised taxes how many times? So is he not a conservative? How did he do on this gov expansion thing too?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Bush is your classic conservative, say one thing and do the other when it benefits you and yours. Reagan raised taxes how many times? So is he not a conservative? How did he do on this gov expansion thing too?

After 9/11 The DHS was created. Bush got the medicare part D plan passed. Throw in the patriot act TSA and other bureaucracies. He advocated open borders and amnesty He was no cheapo when it came to the budget either. I think he racked up 5 trillion over 8 years.


To me being a conservative is not who has the most weapons or who goes to church the most. In my opinion at the true core of a conservative is someone who is fiscally conservative.
even though hes not a politician George Will fits that role. Honestly the only conservative in that field of 8 is Ron Paul. I would say Huntsman is 2nd.

[Furtherman]

To me being a conservative is not who has the most weapons or who goes to church the most. In my opinion at the true core of a conservative is someone who is fiscally conservative.

Then you're the opposite of the conservative party core.

[Furtherman]

Granted Fox has O Reilly and Hannity, Ill give you that.

And Greg Gutfield, Brian Kilmeade, Gretchen Carlson, Steve Doocy, Megan Kelly, etc...

Except Shepard Smith, who actually gets death threats because he's an actual journalist.

[spoon]

Then you're the opposite of the conservative party core.

exactly



and anyone who votes solely/primarily on issues like abortion, religion and other issues such at stopping gay marriage are just plain idiotic

[WRESTLINGFAN]

exactly



and anyone who votes solely/primarily on issues like abortion, religion and other issues such at stopping gay marriage are just plain idiotic

Agreed

[WRESTLINGFAN]

And Greg Gutfield, Brian Kilmeade, Gretchen Carlson, Steve Doocy, Megan Kelly, etc...

Except Shepard Smith, who actually gets death threats because he's an actual journalist.

Kilmeade Doocy and Carlson are goofy morning show hosts. You can make the same argument about Harold Ford and Mika on morning Joe.

Gutfeld is a Libertarian and yes a funny SOB.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Then you're the opposite of the conservative party core.

The modern day conservatives are actually more like neo cons ie the Weekly Standard Fred Barnes types.. They insist that women should get to vote in dictatorships via overthrowing governments, lets flex our military might and that their main issues are god guns and gays.

[epo]

Day 2 of signatures.

Business is good.

[epo]

After 4 days of signatures, over 105K signatures collected.

Business is very good.

[spoon]

Tell the truth, you're giving lunchmeat samples away door to door and having them sign for a chance to "meAt aaron rodgers"...the newest contest for epo cold cuts!

[Kevin]

Tell the truth, you're giving lunchmeat samples away door to door and having them sign for a chance to "meAt aaron rodgers"...the newest contest for epo cold cuts!

Discount double meat!

[hanso]

The tea party did a fake signature deal and threw them away. I wish Fla. would do this.

[epo]

Just for Kevin:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/V95E6HueIKg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Kevin]

Just for Kevin:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/V95E6HueIKg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

What a shocker, a packer hat and a fat chick.

If thats not Wisconsin, i don't know what is!

[spoon]

What a shocker, a packer hat and a fat chick.

If thats not Wisconsin, i don't know what is!

outside movement!

[epo]

outside movement!

Obviously. Those outside special interest agitators...

[epo]

Recall hits 300,000 Signatures (http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/recall-group-says-it-has-300000-signatures-q437ujc-134645358.html)

Madison - The group attempting to recall Gov. Scott Walker says it has gathered more than 300,000 signatures in 12 days.

There is no way to independently verify the group's signature count because the petitions will not become public unless it turns them into state election authorities. But if its numbers are accurate, that would mean its staff and volunteers collected more than half of the 540,208 signatures they need in less than two weeks.

The group, United Wisconsin, launched the recall effort on Nov. 15 and has 60 days to gather the signatures. They are due Jan. 17.

That's a signature to recall the Governor of Wisconsin every 3.5 seconds. Goodbye Scott Walker, goodbye!

[Dude!]

That's a signature to recall the Governor of Wisconsin every 3.5 seconds. Goodbye Scott Walker, goodbye!

and how many million
union dollars down the tubes

[spoon]

Due on my birthday! Nice lil present if it works out.

[hanso]

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No need to sign anything epo all is good.

[spoon]

it's working

the play button unfortunately

[epo]

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No need to sign anything epo all is good.

Yea...it's working all right.

This message was paid for by the Koch Brothers via their front groups Americans for Prosperity & the MacIver Institute.

Uggh.

[Dude!]

Yea...it's working all right.

This message was paid for by the Koch Brothers via their front groups Americans for Prosperity & the MacIver Institute.

Uggh.

awesome commercial...
the truth hurts

[WRESTLINGFAN]

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No need to sign anything epo all is good.

And the Packers are undefeated.

[epo]

awesome commercial...
the truth hurts

Its only the truth if by "working", you mean "the state with the fastest growing unemployment in the nation since his budget was passed".

If rising unemployment is the goal, Scott K Walker is doing his job.

[spoon]

and how many times must it be explained he closed a budget gap he fucking created by giving his buddies (see Koch bros) huge tax breaks. Judging by the GOP theories, there should have been a HUGE influx of jobs out there in Wisconsin now bc of this great new policy for "job creators" right?

not so much

you know why? bc it's a fucking joke, a bad one

[epo]

and how many times must it be explained he closed a budget gap he fucking created by giving his buddies (see Koch bros) huge tax breaks. Judging by the GOP theories, there should have been a HUGE influx of jobs out there in Wisconsin now bc of this great new policy for "job creators" right?

not so much

you know why? bc it's a fucking joke, a bad one

Absolutely. The Legislative Fiscal Bureau of Wisconsin released their study that Wisconsin was set to have a surplus in the upcoming fiscal year.

Next move, tax break city. Not only tax breaks, but tax breaks with no strings on outputs.

He created the problem, and he fucked the states workers for the problem. Now we recall his ass.

[Syd]

I don't get why people still buy into tax breaks are good for anything. We've had tax breaks for the last decade and record unemployment; That's pretty damning evidence that tax breaks only kill jobs and reduce average family income.

[hanso]

I don't get why people still buy into tax breaks are good for anything. We've had tax breaks for the last decade and record unemployment; That's pretty damning evidence that tax breaks only kill jobs and reduce average family income.

We've had? The rich had.

[hanso]

Yea...it's working all right.

This message was paid for by the Koch Brothers via their front groups Americans for Prosperity & the MacIver Institute.

Uggh.

But the families look so happy and there are nice graphics and pie charts.

[epo]

I don't get why people still buy into tax breaks are good for anything. We've had tax breaks for the last decade and record unemployment; That's pretty damning evidence that tax breaks only kill jobs and reduce average family income.

If you incentivize growth it can work, but pure tax cuts are pure garbage.

[hanso]

Most all of the states corporate tax cuts don't seem to have done much but drain the public sector. Thanks GOP.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Never mind the dog...


http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/news/wisconsin/gov-signs-bill-allowing-homeowners-to-kill-intruders

[epo]

Never mind the dog...

http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/news/wisconsin/gov-signs-bill-allowing-homeowners-to-kill-intruders

He also signed a law which would allow landlords to enter tenants' apartments without notification.

Does that mean that renters can legally shoot their landlords?

[Dude!]

He also signed a law which would allow landlords to enter tenants' apartments without notification.

at least WF links to his sources

please link to the article
so i can read about it

[epo]

at least WF links to his sources

please link to the article
so i can read about it

I'll do better: Heres the bill. (https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2011/proposals/sb107)

[PapaBear]

Apartment dwellers aren't homeowners.

EDIT: But the story also says you can do it in your workplace. Shitty reporting.

[epo]

Apartment dwellers aren't homeowners.

EDIT: But the story also says you can do it in your workplace. Shitty reporting.

Shitty reporting, but we've got a string of poorly-written legislation which is probably driving these reporters insane.

[Dude!]

I'll do better: Heres the bill. (https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2011/proposals/sb107)

if this is what you referred to
it does none of what you said:



2) (a) No city, village, town, or county may enact an ordinance that places any of the following limitations on a residential landlord:
1. Prohibits a landlord from, or places limitations on a landlord with respect to, obtaining and using or attempting to obtain and use any of the following information with respect to a tenant or prospective tenant:
a. Monthly household income.
b. Occupation.
c. Rental history.
d. Credit information.
e. Court records, including arrest and conviction records, to which there is public access.
f. Social security number or other proof of identity.
2. Limits how far back in time a prospective tenant's credit information, conviction record, or previous housing may be taken into account by a landlord.
3. Prohibits a landlord from, or places limitations on a landlord with respect to, entering into a rental agreement for a premises with a prospective tenant during the tenancy of the current tenant of the premises.
4. Prohibits a landlord from, or places limitations on a landlord with respect to, showing a premises to a prospective tenant during the tenancy of the current tenant of the premises.
(b) No city, village, town, or county may enact an ordinance that places requirements on a residential landlord with respect to security deposits or earnest money or pretenancy or posttenancy inspections that are additional to the requirements under administrative rules related to residential rental practices.
(3) If a city, village, town, or county has in effect on the effective date of this subsection .... [LRB inserts date], an ordinance that is inconsistent with sub. (2), the ordinance does not apply and may not be enforced.

[epo]

Scott Walker...your recall is coming:

Wisconsin group says it nearly has the signatures to force recall election of GOP Gov. Walker (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/wisconsin-group-says-it-nearly-has-the-signatures-to-force-recall-election-of-gop-gov-walker/2011/12/15/gIQAsN4KwO_story.html)

MADISON, Wis. — Organizers of an effort to kick Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker out of office said Thursday that they have collected nearly enough signatures to force a recall election next year.

The effort organized by the state Democratic Party, unions and disgruntled citizens grew out of anger over the Republican governor’s polarizing measure passed in March that effectively ended collective bargaining rights for public workers.

The United Wisconsin coalition said 507,533 signatures had been collected in 28 days. The group is facing a Jan. 17 deadline to submit the 540,208 signatures needed to force the recall.

“The people of Wisconsin have said enough is enough,” Democratic Party chairman Mike Tate said.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Does Wisconsin have same day registration? If so im sure there are thousands of homeless being bused in from other states


Oh lookie here. Fraud is already happening


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbC3GHRl-jI&feature=player_embedded

[hanso]

Once the disapproval rating for a Governor goes over 50% this should happen on its own.

[spoon]

Does Wisconsin have same day registration? If so im sure there are thousands of homeless being bused in from other states


Oh lookie here. Fraud is already happening


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbC3GHRl-jI&feature=player_embedded

Really? "Thousands of homeless being bused in from other states" isn't easy to find/catch and is soooo cost effective. Do you even hear yourself?

The guy in the vid was clearly just being an ass bc he, along with so many in WI, HATE their gov. I'm quite sure they'll be able to find enough people take care of the petition. And there will always be people that sign more than once with any petition. Still much better than all those republicans signing family and tax pledges written by fucking loonies many times out of pure hate and exclusionary tactics which fits the US so well right?

Keep grabbing those straws, bc I'm quite sure those running this petition will work to rind dups so as to not let the other side have an out.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Really? "Thousands of homeless being bused in from other states" isn't easy to find/catch and is soooo cost effective. Do you even hear yourself?

The guy in the vid was clearly just being an ass bc he, along with so many in WI, HATE their gov. I'm quite sure they'll be able to find enough people take care of the petition. And there will always be people that sign more than once with any petition. Still much better than all those republicans signing family and tax pledges written by fucking loonies many times out of pure hate and exclusionary tactics which fits the US so well right?

Keep grabbing those straws, bc I'm quite sure those running this petition will work to rind dups so as to not let the other side have an out.

Busing people is done all the time.


He's admitting fraud whether he voted 80 times or not.

Multiply multile voting by the thousands and you can easily get a couple hundred thousand votes

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Once the disapproval rating for a Governor goes over 50% this should happen on its own.

Same thing for POTUS then. Getting close to that magic number


http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/president-obamas-disapproval-hits-time-high-poll-relection-15152130

[spoon]

Busing people is done all the time.


He's admitting fraud whether he voted 80 times or not.

Multiply multile voting by the thousands and you can easily get a couple hundred thousand votes

yes, that one idiot SAID he did and my bet 80 = 3 times

is that guy an idiot, sure

yet you think they bused in thousands to sign? really? it's not done all the time, me thinks you confuse planted stories of right wing media saying protesters are being shipped in...which at least would make more sense right. the bodies are needed for presence, while a signature doesn't need to be fucking bussed in to be retrieved. i don't think any party is that fucking stupid. oh and most of those reports about bussed in protesters were fabricated too.

[spoon]

Same thing for POTUS then. Getting close to that magic number


http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/president-obamas-disapproval-hits-time-high-poll-relection-15152130

well W, his father and soooo many others would be gone too...MUCH earlier


the problem with that is the times a president is actually in office and how narrow a margin he got in

obviously Obama won by a pretty close margin to start and inherited a complete clusterfuck. and of course, polls are up and down based on so many factors within and most outside of the prez's control. all this would lead to is constant bartering for people's favor, not such a bad thing if it ended there, but we all see how elections go and it'd be like that constantly. also presidents and their people would be so reactionary and never able to make a short term tough call for a long term great result. try once to raise an appropriate tax, join a necessary war or God forbid make any call on guns, religion or abortion.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

well W, his father and soooo many others would be gone too...MUCH earlier


the problem with that is the times a president is actually in office and how narrow a margin he got in

obviously Obama won by a pretty close margin to start and inherited a complete clusterfuck. and of course, polls are up and down based on so many factors within and most outside of the prez's control. all this would lead to is constant bartering for people's favor, not such a bad thing if it ended there, but we all see how elections go and it'd be like that constantly. also presidents and their people would be so reactionary and never able to make a short term tough call for a long term great result. try once to raise an appropriate tax, join a necessary war or God forbid make any call on guns, religion or abortion.

Different times than 1990 or 2004 especially economically. Bush had a 3rd party challenger with Perot

Obama had 365 electoral votes to McCains 173 thats a pretty big margin

Inherited a clusterfuck and made it worse. I know theres a lot of time btwn now and Nov 2012 but Obama has crossed that line where he will have a hard time to recover especially with Independents.

[spoon]

Different times than 1990 or 2004 especially economically. Bush had a 3rd party challenger with Perot

Obama had 365 electoral votes to McCains 173 thats a pretty big margin

Inherited a clusterfuck and made it worse. I know theres a lot of time btwn now and Nov 2012 but Obama has crossed that line where he will have a hard time to recover especially with Independents.

so we jump from a discussion on percentage of voters/approval rating to electoral votes huh?

you know damn well the country was still pretty well split in popular votes so let's use the stat that lines up with what we are talking about ok, not the fucking electoral vote. jesus you are tiring.

Here's the pop vote from 2008...69,456,897 to 59,934,814 or 52.9% to 47.1% (45.7 McCain + 1.4 Nader/ other).

So yes, coming in at 52.9%, the height of his popularity I would argue, isn't close right? I know I know, electoral votes nonsense, bussing in voters and some dui immigrant border voters tie in. GOT IT!

[spoon]

and where you say worse, plenty disagree

it could have been a lot worse economically, and that's not the ONLY front in this country. i'd contend, and surely you'd argue, Obama did as well as he could cleaning/wrapping up Iraq, dealing with Iran and not going into another war for those we all know want it, eliminating top terrorists and finishing what W did not (Bin Laden), Lybia taken care of w minimal involvement/loss of life for US troops (another despot taken down) and well, you get the picture. Don't bother ripping these all down how I know you want to. We won't convince each other we both know this, as I only put it here to give the other side of your biased coin...and a minimal look at that.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

so we jump from a discussion on percentage of voters/approval rating to electoral votes huh?

you know damn well the country was still pretty well split in popular votes so let's use the stat that lines up with what we are talking about ok, not the fucking electoral vote. jesus you are tiring.

Here's the pop vote from 2008...69,456,897 to 59,934,814 or 52.9% to 47.1% (45.7 McCain + 1.4 Nader/ other).

So yes, coming in at 52.9%, the height of his popularity I would argue, isn't close right? I know I know, electoral votes nonsense, bussing in voters and some dui immigrant border voters tie in. GOT IT!

Thats 9.5 million more votes, If you factor in the votes for the 3rd parties its bigger. I dont know how many people voted 3rd party but if its a million, that means Obama would have 10.5 million votes. I dont consider that close, while not a Reagan landslide its still a decent margin of victory for Obama

[spoon]

Thats 9.5 million more votes, If you factor in the votes for the 3rd parties its bigger. I dont know how many people voted 3rd party but if its a million, that means Obama would have 10.5 million votes. I dont consider that close, while not a Reagan landslide its still a decent margin of victory for Obama

now we go outright number?

wf, the convo was regarding a line of 50% and Obama got in with only 52.9% of the vote. THAT IS THE POINT! Your whole concept is ludicrous, and even worse now seeing the means you employ to defend it. I wouldn't be surprised if you even forgot what we were talking about.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

and where you say worse, plenty disagree

it could have been a lot worse economically, and that's not the ONLY front in this country. i'd contend, and surely you'd argue, Obama did as well as he could cleaning/wrapping up Iraq, dealing with Iran and not going into another war for those we all know want it, eliminating top terrorists and finishing what W did not (Bin Laden), Lybia taken care of w minimal involvement/loss of life for US troops (another despot taken down) and well, you get the picture. Don't bother ripping these all down how I know you want to. We won't convince each other we both know this, as I only put it here to give the other side of your biased coin...and a minimal look at that.


Everything he has done to tinker with the economy has made the economy worse from Stimulus to GM and cash for clunkers QE1 and QE2

I gave him credit for wiping out the Pirates and Bin Laden. However Afghanistan has spiraled out of control. I dont want a war with Iran but he does look pathetic begging for the drone back. Lybia was a war with no congressional authority plus Khadafy was not a threat to our national security plus Al Qaeda members are leaders of the rebel movement/new regime there. We cant just intervene just because Obama is POTUS. The Iraqi withdrawal was brokered by the previous administration but idiots like McCain are saying it makes us weaker by withdrawing.

His failures have outweighed any successes that he has accomplished. Im not one of those people who says hes soft on terrorism or that hes a pussy but any short term gains have been erased with the albatross of the shitty economy looming over him


Throw in Fast and Furious, Allowing the DoJ to sue states, him stopping deportations and giving work visas, the unpopularity of Obamacare and people are going to remember all this come next year.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

now we go outright number?

wf, the convo was regarding a line of 50% and Obama got in with only 52.9% of the vote. THAT IS THE POINT! Your whole concept is ludicrous, and even worse now seeing the means you employ to defend it. I wouldn't be surprised if you even forgot what we were talking about.



How about his approval rating as POTUS I dont think youre putting that to account. On 1/20/09 he was around 70% and started off with a clean slate.

[hanso]

Same thing for POTUS then. Getting close to that magic number


http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/president-obamas-disapproval-hits-time-high-poll-relection-15152130

Have a look at the Governors that are now/have been over that number recently. One thing should ring a bell. (and yes they all have/had the same game plan).

[Rhah]

Well, of course you think that Obama isn't doing good with the economy when Fox News is showing graphs like this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2011/12/12/Editorial-Opinion/Graphics/foxunemployment.jpg?uuid=okHqbCUNEeG6UZmisn9jBQ

Hrm, 8.8% is somehow lower on the graph than the final 8.6% number?

[hanso]

Had to have that explained on a show. What you just put. They will lie outright and mindfuck as well.

[spoon]

Yah I think Furtherman put that up earlier in the week and it's not too surprising, but still pathetic. You simply don't make errors like that and playing vid from other riots in other countries to promote your side of a story without intent.

Shouldn't they eventually be forced to lose the "news" part of their name and replaced with entertainment or something? Is there now repercussions for such blatant falsehoods? Stations/media outlets get fined big for words, but not this? Come on man, I'm not saying loss of license but not even a fine or something to deter it a little? This goes for MSN too when they push bs topics with clear intent as they have done too. It just seems Fox goes this route all too often comparatively and never gets in trouble with it outside of a daily Daily Show rub or two.

[hanso]

There is something for that just can't think of the name or details now.

[epo]

Busing people is done all the time.

He's admitting fraud whether he voted 80 times or not.

Multiply multile voting by the thousands and you can easily get a couple hundred thousand votes

That guy was just being an asshole. He later admitted so.

However here's the thing: if he did sign multiple times, those extra signatures have been stricken from the record by the Democratic Party of Wisconsin themselves. We have a process to keep it clean.

Nothing will stop us from removing this douchebag governor.

[Dude!]

That guy was just being an asshole. He later admitted so.

However here's the thing: if he did sign multiple times, those extra signatures have been stricken from the record by the Democratic Party of Wisconsin themselves. We have a process to keep it clean.

Nothing will stop us from removing this douchebag governor.

no doubt that 'petition'
is loaded with the names
of dead people, illegal immigrants
and union thugs from all 50 states

[epo]

no doubt that 'petition'
is loaded with the names
of dead people, illegal immigrants
and union thugs from all 50 states

If you not eligible to vote in Wisconsin, we have a process to strike you from the record.

Now you need to return to the basement with the rest of the sodomites!

[Dude!]

Now you need to return to the basement with the rest of the sodomites!

sorry, i'm not in your house
at the moment

[SonOfSmeagol]

Not once have you admitted that you were out of line for calling a female sitting member of Congress a "congresswhore...

Nothing will stop us from removing this douchebag governor...

:laugh:

[cougarjake13]

Well, of course you think that Obama isn't doing good with the economy when Fox News is showing graphs like this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2011/12/12/Editorial-Opinion/Graphics/foxunemployment.jpg?uuid=okHqbCUNEeG6UZmisn9jBQ

Hrm, 8.8% is somehow lower on the graph than the final 8.6% number?

And almost level with 9%

[underdog]

:laugh:

Calling a woman a whore is the same as calling a guy a douchebag?

[epo]

Calling a woman a whore is the same as calling a guy a douchebag?

His false equivalency is adorable.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

His false equivalency is adorable.

Your use of that word is adorable.


You just called a sitting governor a douchebag you are filled with hatred, How many signatures from Hitler and Mickey Mouse did you collect?


http://newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/3871

[epo]

That guy was just being an asshole. He later admitted so.

However here's the thing: if he did sign multiple times, those extra signatures have been stricken from the record by the Democratic Party of Wisconsin themselves. We have a process to keep it clean.

Nothing will stop us from removing this douchebag governor.

Your use of that word is adorable.


You just called a sitting governor a douchebag you are filled with hatred, How many signatures from Hitler and Mickey Mouse did you collect?


http://newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/3871

If you not eligible to vote in Wisconsin, we have a process to strike you from the record.

Now you need to return to the basement with the rest of the sodomites!

If you note, within the first post when I refer to the Governor of Wisconsin as being a douchebag, I explain that there is a process to strike ineligible signatures from the record.

However you lack of reading ability didn't allow you to comprehend such information.

I'll give you this; you puked up the shitty talking points from Fox News, Karl Rove and stormfront very well. Congrats on that, you useful idiot.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If you note, within the first post when I refer to the Governor of Wisconsin as being a douchebag, I explain that there is a process to strike ineligible signatures from the record.

However you lack of reading ability didn't allow you to comprehend such information.

I'll give you this; you puked up the shitty talking points from Fox News, Karl Rove and stormfront very well. Congrats on that, you useful idiot.

Rove and Fox news and Stormfront


Get a new schtick its old!!!!

[disneyspy]

:popcorn:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If you note, within the first post when I refer to the Governor of Wisconsin as being a douchebag, I explain that there is a process to strike ineligible signatures from the record.

However you lack of reading ability didn't allow you to comprehend such information.

I'll give you this; you puked up the shitty talking points from Fox News, Karl Rove and stormfront very well. Congrats on that, you useful idiot.

Speaking of reading why dont you read the article instead of relying on bumper sticker terms

Adolf Hitler and Mickey Mouse signatures will be counted in the effort to recall Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, so long as they are properly dated and bear a Wisconsin address.

[Syd]

Speaking of reading why dont you read the article instead of relying on bumper sticker terms

Adolf Hitler and Mickey Mouse signatures will be counted in the effort to recall Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, so long as they are properly dated and bear a Wisconsin address.

Because it's totally fair to let people decide whether names should appear on the list or not, right? They'd have guys like you scratching any name that sounded vaguely latino. Jose Canseco would be having some roid-filled tears over it all.

furthermore, in reality, no one has signed Walker's recall petition as Hitler or Mickey Mouse; the Hitler signature came from a completely different petition. However, if Fox and the other right wing rags didn't get WF and his ilk in a tizzy their ad revenue would take a big hit.

[underdog]

Rove and Fox news and Stormfront


Get a new schtick its old!!!!

Only you would call telling the truth a "schtick".

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Only you would call telling the truth a "schtick".

How is he telling the truth?


everything is fox news when another viewpoint is raised on this board

Stormfront really? They want to bring back lynchings. As usual its the ove rthe top sensationalism expressed by some on this board

[hanso]

How is he telling the truth?


everything is fox news when another viewpoint is raised on this board

Stormfront really? They want to bring back lynchings. As usual its the ove rthe top sensationalism expressed by some on this board



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Stormfront has endorsed Ron Paul.

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Did you read the filth he put out back then? Can you throw some on here for old times?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Anyone remember Jeremiah Wright


Obama dumped him out of convenience


Speaking about racism. From Snopes


http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/coilofrage.asp

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Speaking of racism

From MSNBC's newest opinion show host


l know how outraged I am when I know how many black people were on those flights.

White folks were in caves while we were building empires…. We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and those Greek homos ever got around to it

And look who kisses the ring to him


http://cdn.eurweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/obama-sharpton1.jpg

[hanso]

Originally Posted by WRESTLINGFAN View Post
Rove and Fox news and Stormfront


Get a new schtick its old!!!!

So You're not going to try to support the actions of Ron Paul with the newsletters?

It is a direct tie as you have espoused on how Dr. Paul's politics are headed on here many times before. I just gave you an example with Stormfront

Sorry to tell you but I see TP from the other two as well.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So You're not going to try to support the actions of Ron Paul with the newsletters?

It is a direct tie as you have espoused on how Dr. Paul's politics are headed on here many times before. I just gave you an example with Stormfront

Sorry to tell you but I see TP from the other two as well.

Bad move by Ron Paul. But do you really believe he is going to get the nomination? even if he wins Iowa hes got no shot at the nod.

[Dude!]

I'll give you this; you puked up the shitty talking points from Fox News, Karl Rove and stormfront very well. Congrats on that, you useful idiot.

epo, what event
in your childhood
so-filled you with hate?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

epo, what event
in your childhood
so-filled you with hate?

I think he never got over the fact that the Cardinals beat the Brewers in the WS and he's been bitter since

[TripleSkeet]

I think he never got over the fact that the Cardinals beat the Brewers in the WS and he's been bitter since

The Cardinals beat the Rangers in the WS.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Calling a woman a whore is the same as calling a guy a douchebag?

eh, close enough to illustrate the haughty hypocrisy of your little friend

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The Cardinals beat the Rangers in the WS.

Meant to say '82 WS

[epo]

Speaking of reading why dont you read the article instead of relying on bumper sticker terms

Adolf Hitler and Mickey Mouse signatures will be counted in the effort to recall Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, so long as they are properly dated and bear a Wisconsin address.

As I've stated TWICE in this thread, there is a process in place by the Democratic Party of Wisconsin to remove all ineligible signatures from the petitions.

The "Mickey Mouse" and "Adolf Hitler" signature example is merely theoretical and is being used by a scare tactic by parrots on the right, such as WF.

I'll give you an example: There is a man who is named "George Bush" from northern Wisconsin who signed the petition. His wife also signed...her name is "Barbara Bush". Its why the "theoretical" signature must be allowed, as sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.

[underdog]

eh, close enough to illustrate the haughty hypocrisy of your little friend

Don't put him on me.

[spoon]

Only you would call telling the truth a "schtick".

STOP MAKING SENSE!

:lol:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If Walker gets recalled and this happens like in Philly but for all public servants dont come crying to me to bail out you fuckers out.






http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/cityhall/DROP-participants-will-retire-and-return.html?nlid=4085018

[epo]

On Tuesday, 3000 lbs of signatures shall be delivered.

Good night Scotty!

[Dude!]

On Tuesday, 3000 lbs of signatures shall be delivered.

i guess fake names
are very heavy

[epo]

i guess fake names
are very heavy

Tomorrow we mock the 540,000 minimum threshold.

[Crispy123]

Tomorrow we mock the 540,000 minimum threshold.

.

[SonOfSmeagol]

On Tuesday, 3000 lbs of signatures shall be delivered.

in a 1500 lb bag?
:wink:

[epo]

In under 5 hours the petitions will be delivered.

Per capita this will be the most successful statewide recall drive in our nation's history.

[Dude!]

In under 5 hours the petitions will be delivered.

Per capita this will be the most successful statewide recall drive in our nation's history.

you can't say it is successful...
it's only successful
if he's voted out of office

i heard that the final petition contains
signatures of over 2000 "Mickey Mouse"
and 1800 "Adolph Hitler" along with
78,000 "Lady Gaga"

epo, you should be ashamed of yourself

[epo]

Democrats submit one million recall signatures against Gov. Walker (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46028830/ns/local_news-milwaukee_wi/)

MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- Groups seeking to recall Gov. Scott Walker submitted nearly twice as many signatures Tuesday as required to force an election, an overwhelming number that may make an election later this year inevitable.

Goodbye Scotty!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Im going to make a prediction and it will be Feingold on the Democratic ticket

[Dude!]

wow...that puts epo in a bind...
Walker or a hated jew

[epo]

Im going to make a prediction and it will be Feingold on the Democratic ticket

Your prediction would stink.

[spoon]

Democrats submit one million recall signatures against Gov. Walker (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46028830/ns/local_news-milwaukee_wi/)



Goodbye Scotty!

Some would say the gov was served his walking papers...Aaaa gee gee geeeh!

[jennysmurf]

Some would say the gov was served his walking papers...Aaaa gee gee geeeh!

*internet slap*