Scott Walker the naturally thin Chris Christie

[spoon]

someone is slap happy!

[jennysmurf]

someone is slap happy!

You are so lucky I'm too far away to deliver a smackdown!

[epo]

*internet slap*

At least you didn't hit him with one of these:

http://cdn2.mixrmedia.com/wp-uploads/girlybubble/blog/2009/11/hello-kitty-color.gif

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Fire up those buses, and start hauling people from out of state to vote in the recall


http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/poll-wis-gov-slight-edge-approval-rating-15438786

[Syd]

it's within MoE. Walker bartered off his last job to an overseas company, he's off the force

[epo]

Fire up those buses, and start hauling people from out of state to vote in the recall


http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/poll-wis-gov-slight-edge-approval-rating-15438786

You should look at the poll, I could do better in my basement.

More women than men.
41% conservative, 34% moderate, 25% liberal.
Focuses on only half the state.

Honestly, the poll also says that Obama is up by 8% and I can't buy it. The poll is an absolute piece of shit.

[hanso]

Darn liberal media poll

[epo]

John Doe investigation leads to 2 more arrests: (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505245_162-57367324/2-ex-walker-aides-accused-of-fundraising-on-job/)

Two women who were on Republican Gov. Scott Walker's staff when he was the Milwaukee County executive were charged Thursday with carrying out political fundraising while on the job, becoming the fourth and fifth people with ties to Walker charged as part of a corruption investigation.

Kelly Rindfleisch, Walker's deputy chief of staff before he became governor in 2011, is charged with four felony counts of misconduct in office. Darlene Wink, who was Walker's county constituent services coordinator, faces two misdemeanor counts of political solicitation by a public employee.

The charges stem from a Milwaukee County District Attorney's office investigation that has led to charges against three men with Walker ties. The governor denies wrongdoing and says he hasn't been contacted by prosecutors, but it comes at a politically sensitive time for him, as he tries to defeat an effort to recall him.

This brings the current total to 6 arrests in this ongoing investigation of Scott Walker.

[Dude!]

John Doe investigation leads to 2 more arrests: (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505245_162-57367324/2-ex-walker-aides-accused-of-fundraising-on-job/)



This brings the current total to 6 arrests in this ongoing investigation of Scott Walker.

please...a political witch-hunt
dreamed up by union thugs
with the support of the most corrupt
DA in the country

[hanso]

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Walker-Gate: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker is Starting To Sound Like GOP Pariah Richard Nixon

[epo]

Walker Gate is only starting to heat up:

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[epo]

RNC head says he hasn't been contacted for Gov. Walker probe (http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/139318498.html)

MADISON- Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus says he has not been contacted by investigators about the ongoing criminal probe into former close associates and aides of Gov. Scott Walker.

Reince Priebus has been RNC chair since 2011 but prior to that he was head of the Wisconsin Republican Party.

Five people have already been charged in the probe, including two people who were allegedly illegally campaigning while working for Walker when he was Milwaukee County executive. The criminal complaint details emails sent by Walker aide Darlene Wink to Priebus asking about organizing a fundraiser for Walker.

Oh no...now RNC Chair Reince Preibus is in the mix for "WalkerGate"

[hanso]

Reince Priebus sounds like something one does when they have crabs.

[KnoxHarrington]

I think it's about time for me to again try to threadjack this thread with the Scott Walker I greatly prefer to this piece of shit scumbag politician:

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[epo]

A little update from Wisconsin's recall election of the governor.

Primary election: May 8th
General election: June 5th

New governor, June 6th.

[hanso]

And this

Wisconsin GOP Loses Senate Majority, After Recall

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/03/wisconsin-republican-targeted-in-recall-resigns-from-state-senate.php

[Dude!]

A little update from Wisconsin's recall election of the governor.

Primary election: May 8th
General election: June 5th

New governor, June 6th.

current walker approval rate: 54%

and Thompson is way ahead
of the dyke

[epo]

And this

Wisconsin GOP Loses Senate Majority, After Recall

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/03/wisconsin-republican-targeted-in-recall-resigns-from-state-senate.php

I don't even know where to update anymore. Seriously each day in this state gets nuttier and nuttier.

We can't get rid of this loony governor fast enough.

[epo]

current walker approval rate: 54%

and Thompson is way ahead
of the dyke

This post is useless without data.

[Dude!]

This post is useless without data.

excuse me--52% approve
it is 54% who OPPOSE the recall

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_governor_elections/wisconsin/54_in_wisconsin_oppose_recall_of_gop_governor_walk er

you seem like a nice enough fellow...
I hope you don't off yourself
when your silly money-wasting
effort FAILS

[epo]

excuse me--52% approve
it is 54% who OPPOSE the recall

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_governor_elections/wisconsin/54_in_wisconsin_oppose_recall_of_gop_governor_walk er

you seem like a nice enough fellow...
I hope you don't off yourself
when your silly money-wasting
effort FAILS

Ahhh....the outlier poll. Every poll in this cycle has had Walker with a diminshing polling data...except Rasmussen. And every poll has had Baldwin/Thompson as a "dead heat"...except Rasmussen.

Stop wasting my time with this foolishness.

[Dude!]

Stop wasting my time with this foolishness.

we'll see soon enough
who has wasted his time...
and millions of dollars
or union dues confiscated
from the myriad of joe-6-packs
that call your god-awful state
home

[epo]

we'll see soon enough
who has wasted his time...
and millions of dollars


Correct, the Koch Brothers made a poor investment.

However the only question is whether the ballot box or the John Doe investigation gets Walker first.

[hanso]

Can you guys recall Paul Ryan please? His budget proposal makes me ill. And he came back with the same thing this time around. (Incompetent)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The Ryan plan does nothing. Ron Paul tore it to shreds when he wa son Kudlows show. Cut welfare but increase military spending. That Ryan is a real fiscal hawk

[hanso]

How about we coast on military spending? Just until the economy gets strong again. We have already had a stronger military than most other top countries combined for a long time now.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Even if we shaved off 10% thats still a 600 billion dollar budget. The so called conservatives like McCain and Graham, Romney Newt would want it at a trillion a year.

[StanUpshaw]

How about we coast on military spending? Just until the economy gets strong again. We have already had a stronger military than most other top countries combined for a long time now.

And eliminate the trillions of downstream income generated by the Keynesian multiplier? You regressives and your austerity schemes sicken me.

[epo]

Can you guys recall Paul Ryan please? His budget proposal makes me ill. And he came back with the same thing this time around. (Incompetent)

Ryan actually has a strong challenger for the first time in a decade. The guys name is Rob Zerban.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Too bad the 17th amendment can't be repealed. I'd love for legislatures to recall some of these Senators

[epo]

Walker's spokesperson: a real gem (http://jezebel.com/5901132/meet-the-rising-republican-star-who-would-love-to-punch-hillary-clinton-in-the-face)

Meet the Rising Republican Star Who Would Love to Punch Hillary Clinton in the Face

In case you haven't noticed, Wisconsin's been fraught with untenable political tumultuousness since one-man Human Centipede Scott Walker was elected governor. He's bullied teachers, attacked gay couples' hospital visitation rights, signed a repeal of Wisconsin's equal pay law, and rolled back sex education to an innocent time when kids thought storks brought babies. But get ready for more high octane Crazy from the Arizona of the midwest — the communication coordinator for the embattled governor's impending recall election is a charming, colorful former Hooters waitress who would just love to have the opportunity to punch Hillary Clinton in the face.

This state gets kookier by the day.

[spoon]

it's the meth water

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Jihad on Walker


Have we not learned our lesson after the Giffords shooting? Heed thy word of Obama about civility.

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[hanso]

Ted Nugent said it so guess it's OK

We are reverting back to the Dark Ages . Off with their heads!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why do they keep calling Nugent a rocker? The only song that most people know is Cat scratch fever.

[hanso]

Why do they keep calling Nugent a rocker? The only song that most people know is Cat scratch fever.

I bet they play Dog Eat Dog now.

[hanso]

Or Fred Bear.

[spoon]

pedo bear!

[hanso]

pedo bear!

Well he is called Uncle Ted.

[epo]

Well he is called Uncle Ted.

Isn't it "Sweaty Uncle Teddy"?

[epo]

Today the title of this thread finally comes to fruition: Chris Christie is coming to Wisconsin to campaign for Scott Walker.

[Dude!]

The Dream Ticket!

[spoon]

The Dream Ticket!

If you're referring to Christie's plane ticket out of NJ, then yes.

[keithy_19]

If you're referring to Christie's plane ticket out of NJ, then yes.

Two seats?

'Cause he's a rather large man.

[hanso]

Otto Junkermann lost who knew?


Oh yeah it's just more underhanded conniving from the right, expect no less.

[epo]

Otto Junkermann lost who knew?


Oh yeah it's just more underhanded conniving from the right, expect no less.

Wisconsin, the only state in the nation where people know enough about phony state-level candidates to be able to make snarky comments.

This is getting old. Fast.

[epo]

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It was never about the budget. It was always about union-busting.

This guy is a slimeball.

[hanso]

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It was never about the budget. It was always about union-busting.

This guy is a slimeball.

I went back in this thread to find where I posted Otto Junkermann. And found where he passed a bill with Budget on title but no money was to be saved.

[StanUpshaw]

I don't know why I don't get more upset about the public sector cartels.

It's probably the second most loathsome scam running, after the military-industrial complex, but I just can't seem to get all that worked up about it.

[epo]

I don't know why I don't get more upset about the public sector cartels.

It's probably the second most loathsome scam running, after the military-industrial complex, but I just can't seem to get all that worked up about it.

Janitors sure have a helluva scam running.

Get a clue.

[hanso]

The scam is the right cutting deep into it on one hand while railing about unemployment on the other.

[StanUpshaw]

Janitors sure have a helluva scam running.

Get a clue.

Is our defense industry a scam?

[Crispy123]

Is our defense industry a scam?

Its bloated but it keeps your sweet ass free to bitch about it on the internet.

[StanUpshaw]

Its bloated but it keeps your sweet ass free to bitch about it on the internet.

Keep telling yourself that, Pyle.

[Crispy123]

O.K.

Its bloated but it keeps your sweet ass free to bitch about it on the internet.

Its bloated but it keeps your sweet ass free to bitch about it on the internet.

Its bloated but it keeps your sweet ass free to bitch about it on the internet.

[hanso]

Way to switch the topic Stan. Wait why I'm I reading/replying to someone on ignore?! ugh!

BTW while you brought it up..did the right ever cut states military in any way?

My point was the states run by the right have cut deep into the public sector while railing that the nation is not gaining enough jobs.

[StanUpshaw]

Way to switch the topic Stan. Wait why I'm I reading/replying to someone on ignore?! ugh!

BTW while you brought it up..did the right ever cut states military in any way?

Ha ha! Suckered you into clicking this message!


But seriously, I'm not going to try to debate you because you're simply too retarded. It's to the point where I almost feel bad about calling you retarded, because I think there's a decent chance you might actually be retarded.

[A.J.]

Is our defense industry a scam?

Hell no, thanks to me!

[keithy_19]

Hell no, thanks to me!

Thank you for letting me access porn on the internet!

[Furtherman]

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[StanUpshaw]

Hell no, thanks to me!

I don't have any idea what you do, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say you should be ashamed of yourself.

[Snoogans]

I don't have any idea what you do, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say you should be ashamed of yourself.

http://www.idovillainy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/hans_tal.jpg

[Furtherman]

Hell no, thanks to me!

I don't have any idea what you do, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say you should be ashamed of yourself.

http://www.idovillainy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/hans_tal.jpg

AJ is another orphan of a bankrupt culture who thinks he's John Wayne? Rambo? Marshal Dillon?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why isnt the DNC heavily invested in the recall. Was listening to Ed Schultz yesterday and he was fuming over that. I guess they are more focused on the Obama reelection

[A.J.]

AJ is another orphan of a bankrupt culture who thinks he's John Wayne? Rambo? Marshal Dillon?

Who said I was a terrorist?

[spoon]

Janitors sure have a helluva scam running.

Get a clue.

Dammit Fallon!

[Snoogans]

Who said I was a terrorist?

the Asian Dawn??????

http://thethoughtexperiment.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/14.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Journal Sentinel endorses




http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/we-recommend-walker-his-removal-isnt-justified-l55ecb6-152111305.html

[foodcourtdruide]

the Asian Dawn??????

http://thethoughtexperiment.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/14.jpg

Someone in this scene needs to wake up carl winslow.

[epo]

Donations to Scott Walker Flagged as Credit Card Fraud (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/05/donations-scott-walker-flagged-credit-card-fraud/52535/)

When MaryAnn Nellis tried to pay for groceries on April 14, her credit card was declined. Later, she said, she found out why: Her credit card company, Capital One, had flagged an earlier purchase as potentially fraudulent. The problem? A $5 donation to Friends of Scott Walker, the Wisconsin governor's campaign committee, Nellis said.

Nellis told a Capital One representative she had not made the donation to Walker, who is fighting an effort to recall him as governor in a closely watched, expensive election set for June 5.

"Over my dead body," said Nellis, a potter and retired teacher in upstate New York who describes herself as "adamantly angry and upset" at Republicans such as Walker. Nellis disputed the charge and she was issued a new card.

Credit card fraud, just another day at the criminal office for Team Walker.

[StanUpshaw]

http://i.imgur.com/TvDDP.jpg

Good one, Anon.

[KnoxHarrington]

Journal Sentinel endorses




http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/we-recommend-walker-his-removal-isnt-justified-l55ecb6-152111305.html

Except they totally miss the point. The impeachment process is what you use to get rid of an official for actual criminal misconduct. The recall process is used to get rid of an official who the voters decide is doing a shitty job, or is pursuing policies that they did not elect him or her to do

Yeah, the recall process can be abused, but I don't think that it is being in the case of Walker.

[Dude!]

Credit card fraud, just another day at the criminal office for Team Walker.

wow...ONE complaint
of a single $5 charge

get a special prosecutor!

[Crispy123]

http://1.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/87/24/47fb65aa4a06f2cb1982f83d2c7da957.jpg

[sailor]

That's what they get for using a shitty Wisconsin based website.

[hanso]

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This is when he lied to Congress

On April 14, 2011, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker testified before Congress that he started drafting the notorious Act 10 that stripped collective bargaining rights from most state employees in December, after Democrats in the state legislature attempted to pass pro-union contracts in a lame duck session after he won the election. But documents obtained by WTDY News in Wisconsin show that the Act was actually being worked on in November, just weeks after Walker was elected. Walker tried to tell Congress that he was just reacting to aggressive moves by Democrats, when, in reality, he planned to go after the rights of working families, it seems, from the very beginning.

[epo]

He's got serious problems right now. He lied to Congress, He has a state level John Doe investigation on him and apparently the FBI is in town.

So far he's already spent $160K+ on a criminal defense fund.

[Dude!]

He's got serious problems right now. He lied to Congress, He has a state level John Doe investigation on him and apparently the FBI is in town.

So far he's already spent $160K+ on a criminal defense fund.

and he's going to win
on Tuesday

[hanso]

He's got serious problems right now. He lied to Congress, He has a state level John Doe investigation on him and apparently the FBI is in town.

So far he's already spent $160K+ on a criminal defense fund.

Plenty of dark funding coming in from out of state if I heard right.

My avatar is my Gov. who drew the largest fine ever for medicare fraud when he was a ceo for health care. How a crook like him gets elected is beyond me. Sure wish he was in the same boat as Walker.

[furie]

Can he get PAC money for a recall? It's not really an election.

[Dude!]

Can he get PAC money for a recall? It's not really an election.

Walker vs. Barrett

it's called an election
really

[hanso]

Can he get PAC money for a recall? It's not really an election.

I would say yes, after seeing his attack ad made the news.

Here it is.

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[epo]

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[hanso]

Send him packing this Tue.


And there is this:

Is Scott Walker Going to Be Indicted Soon?
http://crooksandliars.com/kenneth-quinnell/scott-walker-going-be-indicted-so

[Snoogans]

ive never hoped more than scott walker was actually the thin chris christie than i do right now

[epo]

ive never hoped more than scott walker was actually the thin chris christie than i do right now

Hopefully tomorrow we free Walker to spend more time with Christie after we beat him at the polls.

*hopefully

[epo]

Voter turnout is high. Might be higher than the Presidential Election of 2008.

Wow.

[Furtherman]

Voter turnout is high. Might be higher than the Presidential Election of 2008.

Wow.

Keep us posted on any early indicators!

Please!

[StanUpshaw]

You probably shouldn't get your hopes up.

[epo]

Keep us posted on any early indicators!

Please!

Something interesting is going on in Madison. We have same day registration in Wisconsin, so numbers can look crazy at times...but the city is on pace for 119% turnout.

This means that everyone is turning out AND a ton of new voters are coming to the polls. I am not overstating when I say that we could be seeing historic voter turnout in Wisconsin.

I have no idea how this will finish, but this is likely to be a very long night.

[Dude!]

Something interesting is going on in Madison. We have same day registration in Wisconsin, so numbers can look crazy at times...but the city is on pace for 119% turnout.

what's going on is your thugs
stuffing ballot boxes

you realize that 119% is more
than 100%, right?

[HBox]

what's going on is your thugs
stuffing ballot boxes

you realize that 119% is more
than 100%, right?

Yes he is. You, though, are obviously incapable of understanding the very simple, easy to understand reason he plainly stated.

[Jujubees2]

Heard this morning that both the Democrats and Republicans have high-priced lawyers at the ready for a recount.

[Dude!]

Hari Trivedi is wreaking havoc!

[weekapaugjz]

nbc news is calling it for walker

[keithy_19]

nbc news is calling it for walker

So did Fox.

[Dude!]

polls not even closed an hour
and everyone has called it
for Walker

he's currently ahead by 20%
and will probably win by 10%
a landslide no matter how
you cut it

way to waste $25 million
in union dues, idiots

[WRESTLINGFAN]

polls not even closed an hour
and everyone has called it
for Walker

he's currently ahead by 20%
and will probably win by 10%
a landslide no matter how
you cut it

way to waste $25 million
in union dues, idiots

Rank and file members should be pissed that for each dollar gone to this wasted effort that was 1 less dollar going towards their pensions and healthcare and other benefits.


Meanwhile their fat union bosses will still tow the line that they care for da workin man

[Tenbatsuzen]

Between the Packers and this, not a great year for Epo. Tee hee.

[Dude!]

Between the Packers and this, not a great year for Epo. Tee hee.

not to mention the Brewers

[Tenbatsuzen]

not to mention the Brewers

Maybe they can count Prince Fielder's absentee vote against Walker. That'll fix things.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I guess not enough dead people, illegal aliens and people bused in from out of state voted

[Dude!]

I guess not enough dead people, illegal aliens and people bused in from out of state voted

oh, they were
but they were overwhelmed
by a tidal wave of good sense

[Dude!]

all 4 state senators
the thugs tried to recall
are at 60% or more with
half the vote in

it is an across-the-board rout

i wonder how many millions
of union dues went into
trying to recall 4 state senators

the more the better

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Watching MSNBC. I wonder if Ed Schultz is on suicide watch

[Zorro]

Between the Packers and this, not a great year for Epo. Tee hee.

He hasn't had a great year since 2010

[Zorro]

Surprise

Wow 75% in and Walker is up by 15

&

Pascrell beats Rothman in Jersey. Rothman portrayed Pascrell as right wing looney

[keithy_19]

Surprise

Wow 75% in and Walker is up by 15

&

Pascrell beats Rothman in Jersey. Rothman portrayed Pascrell as right wing looney

That was a democrat primary, right?

[keithy_19]

That was a democrat primary, right?

Nevermind. It's amazing what google can do.

[Zorro]

Nevermind. It's amazing what google can do.

:lol:

[spoon]

I guess not enough dead people, illegal aliens and people bused in from out of state voted

so fucking stupid

and all they need is one state senate seat of the many (4 total) up for grabs with all the recalls there and the open seat election after a step down by a GOP state senator

control in the state senate is flipped with just one loss for the GOP and it's a pretty big deal too, not just the gov vote

any updates on these, as I can only find all too close to call

[Dude!]

so fucking stupid

and all they need is one state senate seat of the many (4 total) up for grabs with all the recalls there and the open seat election after a step down by a GOP state senator

control in the state senate is flipped with just one loss for the GOP and it's a pretty big deal too, not just the gov vote

any updates on these, as I can only find all too close to call

you call wf stupid
and you can't find
fucking election results
that are all over the internet?

here you go dolt:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/june-5-recall-election-results-155977565.html

3 out of 4 already declared
with 15+ point margins
one left, and the repub is ahead by 10

the fucking unions and their
idiot supporters brought it
on themselves

public sector unions in wisconsin
have lost 30% of their membership
in just the last year

$30+ million in union dues wasted
on petitions and recalls

bye-bye unions
god bless Scott Walker

[spoon]

or i didn't even look and got another idiot to do the work

and let's not act like this didn't cost the republicans time, money and a whole lot of backer funds too

I'm sure the unions got a ton of money donated bc of Walker's action that allowed for this and more soon, as they're clearly up at arms with this whole mess. Did they fail if what you wrote is true, sure...yet it's not like this whole war is even close to over. It's been going on for decades.

[epo]

Between the Packers and this, not a great year for Epo. Tee hee.

Tee hee?

Fuck you.

[epo]

so fucking stupid

and all they need is one state senate seat of the many (4 total) up for grabs with all the recalls there and the open seat election after a step down by a GOP state senator

control in the state senate is flipped with just one loss for the GOP and it's a pretty big deal too, not just the gov vote

any updates on these, as I can only find all too close to call

That's still being counted. That race (Senate 21) was in the City of Racine and they had a lot of voters still in line when the polls were closed.

[Kevin]

Wow Wisconsin...

[spoon]

Tee hee?

Fuck you.

it's tenbats and dude...they only show up to be dicks

wait, as if they have a fucking choice and aren't probably the same person anyway

tenbats, freitag, dude!

[Dude!]

hey epo, did you have fun
at the victory party?

[Furtherman]

I can only guess it will get worse for Wisconsin. Not because Democrats say so, but because a man with a huge financial backing will continue to put his party before his people.

[epo]

Maybe they can count Prince Fielder's absentee vote against Walker. That'll fix things.

I understand you are being a snarky funny guy, but it ain't playing today.

This election was about money. This election was about special interests. This election was about people.

Let me give you an example. My sister is a state worker. She is in corrections and guards our state from rapists and pedophiles. Great job huh?

And for that honor, she's been scapegoated for a budget deficit she didn't create. She's been called a union thug. She's been used as a political talking point of a lazy public worker.

The reality of Governor Walker's "reforms", she, a single mom, gets to take home approximately $6K a year less from her paycheck. The reality is that she no longer has input into her work place safety. The reality is that she no longer has protections from management fucking with her schedule, to make sure she gets to keep her kid.

But fuckbags like you are too interested in saving $100/year on your property taxes and sucking the balls of the uber-rich. Congrats. Your ilk just fucked yourselves.

Cuz here's the deal. The marketplace doesn't happen in a vacuum. Companies often use "market based" compensation. The Governor and his "reforms" just depressed the market...so systematically organizations now get to pay workers less and crush their benefits. But hey...its great because assholes like you got to save a $100 on your property taxes! Hooray!

Seriously, go fuck yourself and people with the mentality that life is about your fucking wallet. The world is a holistic existence. The moment we treat working people like dogs, is the moment our society goes to hell.

[epo]

so fucking stupid

and all they need is one state senate seat of the many (4 total) up for grabs with all the recalls there and the open seat election after a step down by a GOP state senator

control in the state senate is flipped with just one loss for the GOP and it's a pretty big deal too, not just the gov vote

any updates on these, as I can only find all too close to call

Lehman is now up in Senate 21.

[StanUpshaw]

I can only guess it will get worse for Wisconsin. Not because Democrats say so, but because a man with a huge financial backing will continue to put his party before his people.

God damn it! If only there was a way that his people could get rid of him!!!!!

[epo]

God damn it! If only there was a way that his people could get rid of him!!!!!

He'll be gone soon enough.

He's likely to be indicted.

[spoon]

He'll be gone soon enough.

He's likely to be indicted.

For what?

and I assume Lehman in 21 is a dem?

[epo]

For what?

and I assume Lehman in 21 is a dem?

It appears that Lehman did win Senate 21.

Scott Walker appears to be the target of an ongoing "John Doe" investigation and an FBI probe. He literally has a criminal defense fund and is paying for lawyers (reportedly $1K/hour).

[StanUpshaw]

Let me give you an example. My sister is a state worker. She is in corrections and guards our state from rapists and pedophiles. Great job huh?

All the bleeding heart nonsense and economic illiteracy aside, this is fucking shameless.

[epo]

All the bleeding heart nonsense and economic illiteracy aside, this is fucking shameless.

But hey, we gave away a couple of billion in tax cuts to the wealthy with no conditions whatsoever.

Trickle down economics!

[StanUpshaw]

But hey, we gave away a couple of billion in tax cuts to the wealthy with no conditions whatsoever.

Trickle down economics!

Government is the problem. You'll never hear me say otherwise.

[A.J.]

If nothing else epo, be comforted in the fact that Joe Lieberman will soon be gone.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Not even Clinton could have an influence. Obama? remember when he tried to campaign in VA, NJ and in MA? Im sure Barrett had some "scheduling conflicts" and he didnt want Obama to come to WI.

[Crispy123]

He'll be gone soon enough.

He's likely to be indicted.

but he said he's not under investigation...

[Dude!]

All the bleeding heart nonsense and economic illiteracy aside, this is fucking shameless.

shameless indeed...
and it's not the first time
he's brought his sister into this

in the old days, when there was a
"single mom" in the family
(regardless of how many fathers
may or may not be in the picture)
the family would pitch in to help

the "single mom" would live
with grandma and grandpa
so that the children would have
a stable home

or maybe she'd move in with
an unmarried 40+ brother
who makes a lot of money
and he would help raise the kids

but people are so selfish these days
they won't even help the "single moms"
in their families

too bad epo's sister doesn't have
a family to help her out

they'd rather pawn her off...
to suck at the teat of the state

[epo]

shameless indeed...
and it's not the first time
he's brought his sister into this

in the old days, when there was a
"single mom" in the family
(regardless of how many fathers
may or may not be in the picture)
the family would pitch in to help

the "single mom" would live
with grandma and grandpa
so that the children would have
a stable home

or maybe she'd move in with
an unmarried 40+ brother
who makes a lot of money
and he would help raise the kids

but people are so selfish these days
they won't even help the "single moms"
in their families

too bad epo's sister doesn't have
a family to help her out

they'd rather pawn her off...
to suck at the teat of the state

Who's fucking board character is this?

[epo]

but he said he's not under investigation...

He is.

[spoon]

Who's fucking board character is this?

he thinks life is a fucking bad sitcom plot, and acts as if you and your family aren't together with your sis in any way which I'm sure is complete bullshit...so much so you have taken her issues all the way into motivating your career and life daily. You sound like a good brother to me, but why would dude let facts get in the way here much less anywhere else. It's one thing to disagree like Stan did, but Dude just continues to give us gems like his "old days" post above. I'm sure he liked a lot back in the "old days". Come clean dude, you're the post op tranny of Tenbats right? You just want your small dick back no?

[TripleSkeet]

Goes to show you that if you spend enough money, people will elect (or in this case re-elect) anyone.

I dont get people like Dude. Epos story about his siter rings true for alot of people out there, and his response is she should live with her grandmom? What the fuck is wrong with this guy?

[SonOfSmeagol]

The one thing that sticks in my mind in all this is when the WI Dems actually fled the state last year rather than do their jobs. wth

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The point of the matter is that the public sector cant keep having these lavish benefits and healthcare perks and bill the taxpayer. If someones property taxes go down by $100 then thats a good thing. It amazes me how these municipalities want to keep raising property taxes meanwhile the properties are assessed at a lower value due to real estate prices going down. So if property taxes go up does the owner get quicker service when theres a fire or emergency? Of course not.

Its not just the bureaucrats, The benefits for the cops for example are skyrocketing in NY. Patrolmen are milking so much overtime in some towns in Westchester county that they make more than the mayors. Add in the legacy costs of the retirees. Politicians overpromised when times were good.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Barrett supporter slaps him for conceding


http://www.twincitiesnewstalk.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=424116&article=10179288

[spoon]

The point of the matter is that the public sector cant keep having these lavish benefits and healthcare perks and bill the taxpayer. If someones property taxes go down by $100 then thats a good thing. It amazes me how these municipalities want to keep raising property taxes meanwhile the properties are assessed at a lower value due to real estate prices going down. So if property taxes go up does the owner get quicker service when theres a fire or emergency? Of course not.

Its not just the bureaucrats, The benefits for the cops for example are skyrocketing in NY. Patrolmen are milking so much overtime in some towns in Westchester county that they make more than the mayors. Add in the legacy costs of the retirees. Politicians overpromised when times were good.

there is no doubt that teacher and cops shouldn't be able to retire some 20/25 years into a career and collect huge pensions at 45 when we all work until 65 and get jack

yet this whole the teachers make too much and all cops get more money than the mayor is horseshit in most towns. you really think property taxes come down with repubs in office!? Bc I'm still waiting on Christie's reductions here in NJ. It's all bullshit talk to get in and then reduce costs for their cronies and backers just as you claim the same for the dems and unions. only difference is the people have very little say and or money to influence these days and it only continues to get worse as the divide bt the workers and the owners get bigger and the middle class squeezed more. Both need to make some fine tuning, that much is clear, but it's amazing to me that some will just piss away workers rights, wages and so much that has been fought for and hard earned bc they know a cop and are jealous he gets a good paycheck for hard work.

As epo said, it all links together in the end, and we're just allowing the corporate sector to just take over, control it all and kill our rights, earnings and basically bringing us closer to other countries like Mexico and China in the end, not help them get better rights. To compete we don't need to dumb everything down, but create better products and protect our own. We don't, let every company go to cheap labor or make it more available here and those ceos claim they are geniuses and run for congress, senate and president of the very country they are selling out and fleecing.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

there is no doubt that teacher and cops shouldn't be able to retire some 20/25 years into a career and collect huge pensions at 45 when we all work until 65 and get jack

yet this whole the teachers make too much and all cops get more money than the mayor is horseshit in most towns. you really think property taxes come down with repubs in office!? Bc I'm still waiting on Christie's reductions here in NJ. It's all bullshit talk to get in and then reduce costs for their cronies and backers just as you claim the same for the dems and unions. only difference is the people have very little say and or money to influence these days and it only continues to get worse as the divide bt the workers and the owners get bigger and the middle class squeezed more. Both need to make some fine tuning, that much is clear, but it's amazing to me that some will just piss away workers rights, wages and so much that has been fought for and hard earned bc they know a cop and are jealous he gets a good paycheck for hard work.

As epo said, it all links together in the end, and we're just allowing the corporate sector to just take over, control it all and kill our rights, earnings and basically bringing us closer to other countries like Mexico and China in the end, not help them get better rights. To compete we don't need to dumb everything down, but create better products and protect our own. We don't, let every company go to cheap labor or make it more available here and those ceos claim they are geniuses and run for congress, senate and president of the very country they are selling out and fleecing.

As Stan said perfectly


"Government is the problem. You'll never hear me say otherwise."

[Crispy123]

easy to say when you live under the protection that government provides.

[Furtherman]

Not being a WI resident, I can't say I know all the fine details, but am I correct that Walker, one who got kicked out of college for cheating, who lied to Congress, whose state lost the most jobs out of all the states in the past year, and is currently under investigation by the Feds, was voted back into his job by... a large margin?... by the people of WI?

[spoon]

As Stan said perfectly


"Government is the problem. You'll never hear me say otherwise."

and you're both wrong...part of it, sure

but way to just look in one direction...bravo

[WRESTLINGFAN]

easy to say when you live under the protection that government provides.

1. I was part of it many years ago as a Former Marine
2. Im part of the 53% paying for it.
3. Ever hear of too much and unnecessary protection? I.E. TSA and Homeland security?

[Crispy123]

1. I was part of it many years ago as a Former Marine
2. Im part of the 53% paying for it.
3. Ever hear of too much and unnecessary protection? I.E. TSA and Homeland security?

Thanks for your service. You still live under the protection of that government.

is 53% your math or roger ailes?

Yes.

and that doesn't make what I said untrue.

[spoon]

come on, he isn't fox news at all!

53%! what a fucking joke and it's shit like that which just destroy any, if not all of WF's credibility in the end

have a conversation on something as opposed to spouting off constant bs lines you are fed to spice up your angst in everything if you don't want that fucking label...as you certainly earn it completely

[spoon]

some fun for you all

Guess where the cheapest places to live in terms of taxes are? (http://www.state.nj.us/treasury/taxation/pdf/lpt/gtr11ber.pdf)

You guessed it, where all the rich asshole have million dollar mansions and HUGE tracts of land. Coincidence? Hardly. Just a microcosm of how the world works and what/who has influence, control and hence the cycle continues.

[epo]

Not being a WI resident, I can't say I know all the fine details, but am I correct that Walker, one who got kicked out of college for cheating, who lied to Congress, whose state lost the most jobs out of all the states in the past year, and is currently under investigation by the Feds, was voted back into his job by... a large margin?... by the people of WI?

Our state just got bitch slapped by Citizens United.

[Dude!]

Our state just got bitch slapped by Citizens United.

in support of which the AFL-CIO
filed a friend-of-the-court brief

[WRESTLINGFAN]

come on, he isn't fox news at all!

53%! what a fucking joke and it's shit like that which just destroy any, if not all of WF's credibility in the end

have a conversation on something as opposed to spouting off constant bs lines you are fed to spice up your angst in everything if you don't want that fucking label...as you certainly earn it completely

Just say fox news. so fucking predictable

[Zorro]

Our state just got bitch slapped by Citizens United.

No your state got bitch slapped by a union over-reach.

[Crispy123]

Just say fox news. so fucking predictable

exactly.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

some fun for you all

Guess where the cheapest places to live in terms of taxes are? (http://www.state.nj.us/treasury/taxation/pdf/lpt/gtr11ber.pdf)

You guessed it, where all the rich asshole have million dollar mansions and HUGE tracts of land. Coincidence? Hardly. Just a microcosm of how the world works and what/who has influence, control and hence the cycle continues.

Just have low income housing built in Alpine, Upper Saddle River and Englewood cliffs, and have those rich people you hate pay even more. That'll do it


Speaking of rich assholes you can throw in Bon Jovi and Springsteen for having phony farms, they pay next to nothing.

[Bob Impact]

Our state just got bitch slapped by Citizens United.

Really? Did it? It got bitch slapped by the fact that people in the state of Wisconsin disagreed with recalling Walker.

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/citizens-united-real-impact-wi-recall-zero/583241

[StanUpshaw]

easy to say when you live under the protection that government provides.

Hiring people to stand around and hold guns is not all that expensive.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Hiring people to stand around and hold guns is not all that expensive.

Afghanistan is costing us about 2 billion a week

[underdog]

Hiring people to stand around and hold guns is not all that expensive.

maybe it shouldn't be, but it definitely is.

[Crispy123]

Hiring people to stand around and hold guns is not all that expensive.

no. it takes honor and courage, neither of which can be bought.

not that you would have any knowledge of the matter.

enjoy your government handouts while you do nothing but bitch about it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Tee hee?

Fuck you.

Excuse me if I celebrate your arrogance being taken down a peg or seven.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Come clean dude, you're the post op tranny of Tenbats right? You just want your small dick back no?

You've said this a few times and also accused other board characters of being me, so I will assure you and any mod can back me up - I've only posted under this and two other screen names and that's it. Not Dude!, Not Adolph. Not fighting, just assuring you, it's not me.

[epo]

Excuse me if I celebrate your arrogance being taken down a peg or seven.

Again, fuck off.

I can't wait until this prick of a governor is indicted.

[Zorro]

no. it takes honor and courage, neither of which can be bought.



Actually all it takes is whipping up some pseudo-patriotic feeling in kids with a limited future and slapping a gun in their hands. [and before you get your panties in a bunch I spent six yeard as one of those kids]

[Crispy123]

Actually all it takes is whipping up some pseudo-patriotic feeling in kids with a limited future and slapping a gun in their hands. [and before you get your panties in a bunch I spent six yeard as one of those kids]

please stop fantasizing about my panties.

and there's always a few turds who slip through the cracks.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Again, fuck off.

I can't wait until this prick of a governor is indicted.

I looked at your twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/demjeff)and you were like all over this thing. you gave it a great shot, now chill the fuck out before you blow a gasket.

you also said: "One can judge the character of a person in victory & defeat"

[spoon]

Just have low income housing built in Alpine, Upper Saddle River and Englewood cliffs, and have those rich people you hate pay even more. That'll do it


Speaking of rich assholes you can throw in Bon Jovi and Springsteen for having phony farms, they pay next to nothing.

first part, stupid

second part, no shit and they are a fucking joke in that sense...especially Jovi, as I'm not sure on the validity of Springsteen's "farms"

see how we differ

[spoon]

You've said this a few times and also accused other board characters of being me, so I will assure you and any mod can back me up - I've only posted under this and two other screen names and that's it. Not Dude!, Not Adolph. Not fighting, just assuring you, it's not me.

Ok, I'll take you at your word on it. I at least have no reason to distrust you on your word at this point. Now what about knowing who it is? :unsure:

[spoon]

I looked at your twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/demjeff)and you were like all over this thing. you gave it a great shot, now chill the fuck out before you blow a gasket.

you also said: "One can judge the character of a person in victory & defeat"

that wasn't epo

he was too busy playing Norton in the Patrice O'Neill story

[Tenbatsuzen]

Again, fuck off.

I can't wait until this prick of a governor is indicted.

I'm sorry if the proof of democracy actually works and your whining that someone is doing something you disagree with wasn't enough to get your way.

I just really enjoyed your post that "Something big is happening today!" just exploded spectacularly in your face.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Ok, I'll take you at your word on it. I at least have no reason to distrust you on your word at this point. Now what about knowing who it is? :unsure:

*shrug*. I don't make friends behind the scenes. I'm not a big fan of board characters unless it's one line zingers or something. So I can't help you there.

[StanUpshaw]

and there's always a few turds who slip through the cracks.

ENOUGH about your fucking panties already!

[epo]

Really? Did it? It got bitch slapped by the fact that people in the state of Wisconsin disagreed with recalling Walker.

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/citizens-united-real-impact-wi-recall-zero/583241

Of course they might have had 7 to 1 money to frame that perception.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

first part, stupid

second part, no shit and they are a fucking joke in that sense...especially Jovi, as I'm not sure on the validity of Springsteen's "farms"

see how we differ

How so?

If you bring low income housing to one of those affluent boros, youre going to need more police fire, EMS and other services. Is the recipient class going to pay for those?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Party's over in San Diego

http://news.yahoo.com/san-diego-voters-approve-cuts-city-pensions-054837066.html

and San Jose

http://www.mercurynews.com/elections/ci_20790991/early-returns-san-jose-voters-approving-pension-reform?source=most_viewed

[Dude!]

I looked at your twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/demjeff)and you were like all over this thing. you gave it a great shot, now chill the fuck out before you blow a gasket.

you also said: "One can judge the character of a person in victory & defeat"

wow, his twitter really caters
to the under-70-IQ set

Trenni Kusnierek looks pretty good
though

[KnoxHarrington]

http://fark.upi.com/img/sq/6706/1/Walker-Holds-Election-Night-Rally-in-Waukesha-Wisconsin.jpg

The new face of Wisconsin.

[StanUpshaw]

no. it takes honor and courage, neither of which can be bought.

not that you would have any knowledge of the matter.

enjoy your government handouts while you do nothing but bitch about it.

You're right. Thanks for protecting us. You've really done a great job of keeping us free.

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

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:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol:

2011-12

Fuck you cheeseheads, I gotta raise money with millionaires, celebrities and hedgefund managers drop dead 99%

[Snoogans]

How so?

If you bring low income housing to one of those affluent boros, youre going to need more police fire, EMS and other services. Is the recipient class going to pay for those?

they already have low income housing. I guess I cant say specifically about Alpine and Englewood Cliffs where it is exactly. But they have a law in NJ that x% of any housing you build has to be for low income. Mahwah has a pretty big section of low income housing and other pockets within all the regular condos and townhouses. Same for Franklin Lakes, Ramsey, Allendale, Upper Saddle River, all of them. They have all had it for a long time already.

And most of the rich towns already have more cops than they need cause they can afford to hire tons of cops. So your point is actually pretty fuckin stupid.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

they already have low income housing. I guess I cant say specifically about Alpine and Englewood Cliffs where it is exactly. But they have a law in NJ that x% of any housing you build has to be for low income. Mahwah has a pretty big section of low income housing and other pockets within all the regular condos and townhouses. Same for Franklin Lakes, Ramsey, Allendale, Upper Saddle River, all of them. They have all had it for a long time already.

And most of the rich towns already have more cops than they need cause they can afford to hire tons of cops. So your point is actually pretty fuckin stupid.

Who pays for those cops and other services for the most part? Its the property owners.

Rich towns dont have big police forces, at least not here in CT or where I used to live in Westchester

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You're right. Thanks for protecting us. You've really done a great job of keeping us free.

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Hey quit rippin on public sector workers maaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnn

[Snoogans]

Who pays for those cops and other services for the most part? Its the property owners.

Rich towns dont have big police forces, at least not here in CT or where I used to live in Westchester

Mahwah has more uniformed officers, last i read, than any other place in bergen county aside from hackensack, which has like 5 times as many people.

All rich towns in NJ have MASSIVE police forces who have basically nothing to do

[Recyclerz]

As Stan said perfectly


"Government is the problem. You'll never hear me say otherwise."

I'm not sure the way to demonstrate the logical strength of your argument is to say "I've found a comfy idea I like so I'm going to stop here, curl up and stop thinking."

But maybe that's just me.

[TripleSkeet]

Mahwah has more uniformed officers, last i read, than any other place in bergen county aside from hackensack, which has like 5 times as many people.

All rich towns in NJ have MASSIVE police forces who have basically nothing to do

Got that right. And they make GREAT money doing it to. Ive got a friend whos been a cop for 10 years. He makes about 70k a year now and he'll be the first to tell you shit rarely happens around here.

[StanUpshaw]

I'm not sure the way to demonstrate the logical strength of your argument is to say "I've found a comfy idea I like so I'm going to stop here, curl up and stop thinking."

But maybe that's just me.

Better to point out a long string of problems that government has created, then expect that very same government to fix them?

That's the Sleep Number Bed of comfy ideas.

[Snoogans]

Got that right. And they make GREAT money doing it to. Ive got a friend whos been a cop for 10 years. He makes about 70k a year now and he'll be the first to tell you shit rarely happens around here.

it fuckin cracks me up. ill drive past a car on the highway that was pulled over for speeding and 4 fuckin cop cars are there. the person gets a ticket and they all drive away like they did some fuckin service.

im not tryin to diminish what police do. Alot of times they do alot of good for alot fo people. but sometimes some do alot of bad things and for the most part, a bored cop is the worst kind. I get treated worse gettin pulled over in my own town than i did the couple times ive been pulled over in fuckin Newark on my way to my buddies house

[TripleSkeet]

it fuckin cracks me up. ill drive past a car on the highway that was pulled over for speeding and 4 fuckin cop cars are there. the person gets a ticket and they all drive away like they did some fuckin service.

im not tryin to diminish what police do. Alot of times they do alot of good for alot fo people. but sometimes some do alot of bad things and for the most part, a bored cop is the worst kind. I get treated worse gettin pulled over in my own town than i did the couple times ive been pulled over in fuckin Newark on my way to my buddies house

Im lucky in that Ive got alot of cops friends, including state troopers, detectives, and a cousin thats the chief of police of a nearby town, so I usually have a list of names I can drop if I get pulled over.

But theres definitely a multitude of cops around here that have nothing to do. I was working at a bar in Barrington, and Friday nights would get alot of troublemakers because of the drink specials. Wed have a fight where literally me and 4 bouncers would have the whole situation under control in about 10 minutes, and by the time the guys were walking to their cars about 6 cop cars would pull into the lot. They were just dying to do SOMETHING.

[hanso]

Was ponder this and Citizens United with the fact Corps. sitting on record profits. Could be they save for moments like this and it could spell the death of unions and a fair playing field for public sector.

[Snoogans]

Im lucky in that Ive got alot of cops friends, including state troopers, detectives, and a cousin thats the chief of police of a nearby town, so I usually have a list of names I can drop if I get pulled over.

But theres definitely a multitude of cops around here that have nothing to do. I was working at a bar in Barrington, and Friday nights would get alot of troublemakers because of the drink specials. Wed have a fight where literally me and 4 bouncers would have the whole situation under control in about 10 minutes, and by the time the guys were walking to their cars about 6 cop cars would pull into the lot. They were just dying to do SOMETHING.

one time i was leaving my house. apparently at the same time some dude around the corner in a black car tried to get some kid to come to him and get candy and then drove away when the mom came up. So i leave my house in mahwah and pull into the place in ramsey off 17 and my car was black at the time. NO OTHER INFO. just a black car. So this ramsey cop pulls me over. Now i know its serious if someone tried to take a kid but.

within 45 seconds, literally, not an exaggeration, LITERALLY 22 cop cars split between mahwah and ramsey surround me in this lot in front of fuckin borders. Like im fuckin john dillinger. They tell me the story of what happened and honestly, they were pretty cool about it. they even radioed sayin they didnt think i was the guy but i had to wait while they brought the mom past in a car to see if it was me. The min she said it wasnt me, they just jumped in the cars and left. No apology, no nothing, just gone faster than they showed up.

It was so fuckin ridiculous. WHO THE FUCK WAS LEFT TO PULL OVER THE ACTUAL BLACK CAR THAT TRIED TO STEAL A KID.

Thank god that, i guess, i was relaxed or whatever and they didnt think it was me from the beginning. Cause i had a gram of weed in my pocket and had only pulled into the lot to go get a dutch master at cigar world.

That is a 100% fuckin true story. I remember counting the cars and laughing to myself. TWENTY FUCKIN TWO. It was like some shitty movie where i was robbing a bank

[Dude!]

Was ponder this and Citizens United with the fact Corps. sitting on record profits. Could be they save for moments like this and it could spell the death of unions and a fair playing field for public sector.

the AFL-CIO argued
FOR Citizens United
at the Supreme Court

[Bob Impact]

Of course they might have had 7 to 1 money to frame that perception.

And more and more data is coming out to suggest that all of that money made no difference: http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/157378455.html#!page=3&pageSize=10&sort=newestfirst

[Jujubees2]

http://fark.upi.com/img/sq/6706/1/Walker-Holds-Election-Night-Rally-in-Waukesha-Wisconsin.jpg

The new face of Wisconsin.

Looks like someone has eaten too much cheese.

[A.J.]

Rich towns dont have big police forces, at least not here in CT or where I used to live in Westchester

That's because there isn't much crime and violence in rich towns. All the thugs are in the poor cities and towns.

Well....

http://images.wikia.com/prowrestling/images/c/c5/Mean_Street_Posse.jpg

[spoon]

I'm sorry if the proof of democracy actually works and your whining that someone is doing something you disagree with wasn't enough to get your way.

I just really enjoyed your post that "Something big is happening today!" just exploded spectacularly in your face.

While I do agree on the validity of this recall, I do see WHY it motivated people. However, the money issues and outside state support via BIG MONEY from such a limited voice here is completely unnerving to me. This sure is a statement if you pay attention, a statement on how limited one vote is as money is ruling elections more than ever via the AWFUL new rules, not repub v dem. Money will win most elections, not principles and issues. I know it has always had a huge impact, but we just aided the money side to make the divide BIGGER. It seems to be the way of the country right now. We have to help those with money and power so they can "trickle" it down and become great politicians for the people and be great "job creators". It's simply a joke.

[spoon]

How so?

If you bring low income housing to one of those affluent boros, youre going to need more police fire, EMS and other services. Is the recipient class going to pay for those?


And there it is again. You certainly earn everything you get tossed at you...not to mention the ideology you pull from the tripelines is pathetic to say the least.

[Earlshog]

http://fark.upi.com/img/sq/6706/1/Walker-Holds-Election-Night-Rally-in-Waukesha-Wisconsin.jpg

The new face of Wisconsin.

Ha-ha.... Walker has the no neck vote locked down.

[spoon]

You're right. Thanks for protecting us. You've really done a great job of keeping us free.

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wow that's fucking ridiculous

[spoon]

Hey quit rippin on public sector workers maaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnn

yes, that's a public v private sector issue right there

nothing to do with an idiot police chief overstepping his power and violating the rights of US citizens

[spoon]

it fuckin cracks me up. ill drive past a car on the highway that was pulled over for speeding and 4 fuckin cop cars are there. the person gets a ticket and they all drive away like they did some fuckin service.

im not tryin to diminish what police do. Alot of times they do alot of good for alot fo people. but sometimes some do alot of bad things and for the most part, a bored cop is the worst kind. I get treated worse gettin pulled over in my own town than i did the couple times ive been pulled over in fuckin Newark on my way to my buddies house

well that just plays into your breakdown

newark cops deal with real shit and have no bs gripe with people and are happy you aren't a part of something when you get pulled over. in fact, many times they are just looking out for you when I've been pulled over a few times down there. for example, there was just a shooting down the block when in the area near umdnj when I was cutting through and they flagged me down and others in the area as we pulled through an intersection to tell us keep your eye out and perhaps take a different route bc shit might be going down soon as they were checking the area intently. they didn't just pull us all over and cuff our asses, they had a fucking CLUE what/who they were looking for and didn't just abuse their power like cunts. most cops are real good people, just some go in for the power/symbol of power and it does turn them into assholes or at least brings it out. chicken or the egg rundown one can argue

mahwah and other spots are looking for excitement and simply want action to talk about later at the fop bar

[spoon]

one time i was leaving my house. apparently at the same time some dude around the corner in a black car tried to get some kid to come to him and get candy and then drove away when the mom came up. So i leave my house in mahwah and pull into the place in ramsey off 17 and my car was black at the time. NO OTHER INFO. just a black car. So this ramsey cop pulls me over. Now i know its serious if someone tried to take a kid but.

within 45 seconds, literally, not an exaggeration, LITERALLY 22 cop cars split between mahwah and ramsey surround me in this lot in front of fuckin borders. Like im fuckin john dillinger. They tell me the story of what happened and honestly, they were pretty cool about it. they even radioed sayin they didnt think i was the guy but i had to wait while they brought the mom past in a car to see if it was me. The min she said it wasnt me, they just jumped in the cars and left. No apology, no nothing, just gone faster than they showed up.

It was so fuckin ridiculous. WHO THE FUCK WAS LEFT TO PULL OVER THE ACTUAL BLACK CAR THAT TRIED TO STEAL A KID.

Thank god that, i guess, i was relaxed or whatever and they didnt think it was me from the beginning. Cause i had a gram of weed in my pocket and had only pulled into the lot to go get a dutch master at cigar world.

That is a 100% fuckin true story. I remember counting the cars and laughing to myself. TWENTY FUCKIN TWO. It was like some shitty movie where i was robbing a bank

Shit, if that was my kid and I had a chance to fuck with him like this I might have at least said, "hmmmm, he does kind of look like the guy a little." "Yah, same color car and all...hmmm." Let's just say it's a good thing you didn't piss your mother off that morning! Man that would have been the worst practical joke of all fucking time if she said yah just to fuck with you for a while. And I know, she'd probably get in some trouble too, but these are the things that go through my head. Never let some trouble get in the way with fucking with someone in grand fashion!

[spoon]

And more and more data is coming out to suggest that all of that money made no difference: http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/157378455.html#!page=3&pageSize=10&sort=newestfirst

how do you jump to that conclusion?

this is voter dem data from two elections, both where the Dem was outspent by a huge margin and hence both had similar results screams money had no play here?

that's so off and not once did they make any assertion on how money may have influenced either election's results. to say many made no difference in getting us to the results in both is simply naive at best and WFian at worst.

[spoon]

http://fark.upi.com/img/sq/6706/1/Walker-Holds-Election-Night-Rally-in-Waukesha-Wisconsin.jpg

The new face of Wisconsin.

I guess they did actually cancel 30 rock!

[cougarjake13]

http://fark.upi.com/img/sq/6706/1/Walker-Holds-Election-Night-Rally-in-Waukesha-Wisconsin.jpg

The new face of Wisconsin.

Epo!

[spoon]

Epo!

NO WAY! That's like a Caribbean tan for epo. Here's an actual picture below.




















:unsure:

[jennysmurf]

NO WAY! That's like a Caribbean tan for epo. Here's an actual picture below.




















:unsure:


:laugh:

[Bob Impact]

how do you jump to that conclusion?

this is voter dem data from two elections, both where the Dem was outspent by a huge margin and hence both had similar results screams money had no play here?

that's so off and not once did they make any assertion on how money may have influenced either election's results. to say many made no difference in getting us to the results in both is simply naive at best and WFian at worst.

If I was naive I would believe that Democrats painting this as a Citizen's United issue instead of the rejection of unions in WI that it was isn't a pathetically blatant political ploy to try and move the discussion away from WHY those people voted for a scumbag. Because the guts of that question are FAR more interesting to me. People voted for a guy who is very likely going to be indicted very soon instead of the unions.

And I never said a word about whether or not money qua money had an impact, i was arguing that the data says despite the increased spending the results did not change.

[spoon]

bob impact claiming no money impact?

the results then and now have been PLENTY impacted by money

messages diluted, problems hid, policy masked in hyperbole and over the top attacks on others AS policy

i had a much better post all typed out, but lost it sorry

too lazy to do it over

[Bob Impact]

Yet again, no I did not say money has no effect on elections. Not sure how to make that more clear.

[hanso]

Well that's it then. they can take money from politics now, ty WSJ.

http://fark.upi.com/img/sq/6706/1/Walker-Holds-Election-Night-Rally-in-Waukesha-Wisconsin.jpg
This guy swallow a wedge of cheese?

[KnoxHarrington]

Well that's it then. they can take money from politics now, ty WSJ.

http://fark.upi.com/img/sq/6706/1/Walker-Holds-Election-Night-Rally-in-Waukesha-Wisconsin.jpg
This guy swallow a wedge of cheese?

He does look like he's cutting the most epic fart of all time.

[spoon]

And more and more data is coming out to suggest that all of that money made no difference: http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/157378455.html#!page=3&pageSize=10&sort=newestfirst

Yet again, no I did not say money has no effect on elections. Not sure how to make that more clear.

try getting rid of all that smoke and mirrors

[Bob Impact]

try getting rid of all that smoke and mirrors

And I never said a word about whether or not money qua money had an impact, i was arguing that the data says despite the increased spending the results did not change.

Are you dense or willfully ignorant?

[hanso]

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[Bob Impact]

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[Snoogans]

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[Crispy123]

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[Snoogans]

game over:

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[TripleSkeet]

game over:



I beg to differ...

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[spoon]

Are you dense or willfully ignorant?

and are you so dense to not see how that statement is simply bullshit and tied in COMPLETELY no matter how much you claim it does not?

results being similar does not mean money didn't play in differently and the lack there of couldn't have drastically changed it this time...the only thing you proved is that the election had similar results, not all, but most...the impact on money to keep this trend has NOT been analyzed in your story AT ALL, yet you alluded to it as if it was

[Snoogans]

I beg to differ...

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damn that was fuckin TERRIBLE

[StanUpshaw]

and are you so dense to not see how that statement is simply bullshit and tied in COMPLETELY no matter how much you claim it does not?

results being similar does not mean money didn't play in differently and the lack there of couldn't have drastically changed it this time...the only thing you proved is that the election had similar results, not all, but most...the impact on money to keep this trend has NOT been analyzed in your story AT ALL, yet you alluded to it as if it was

His data is better than your gut feelings.

[Bob Impact]

and are you so dense to not see how that statement is simply bullshit and tied in COMPLETELY no matter how much you claim it does not?

results being similar does not mean money didn't play in differently and the lack there of couldn't have drastically changed it this time...the only thing you proved is that the election had similar results, not all, but most...the impact on money to keep this trend has NOT been analyzed in your story AT ALL, yet you alluded to it as if it was

http://darien.patch.com/articles/how-did-gov-scott-walker-survive-the-recall-54f82e94
From the exit polls:
Of the voters surveyed, 94 percent of those who voted for either Walker or Barrett in 2010 voted for that candidate again in 2012.

[Crispy123]

http://darien.patch.com/articles/how-did-gov-scott-walker-survive-the-recall-54f82e94
From the exit polls:

Yea the recall was something different than a regular election. Also, I am not convinced that citizens united is such a horrible thing for democracy.

[Bob Impact]

Yea the recall was something different than a regular election. Also, I am not convinced that citizens united is such a horrible thing for democracy.

Agreed on the recall. Again, I don't think this was a test for citizens united yet, as no contributions that would have previously been illegal were used by either side. Here's a good (despite being slanted hard right) description:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/06/citizens_united_becomes_the_lefts_all_purpose_excu se.html

[spoon]

His data is better than your gut feelings.

"his data", ha!

and gut feeling has nothing to do with it

[spoon]

http://darien.patch.com/articles/how-did-gov-scott-walker-survive-the-recall-54f82e94
From the exit polls:

First off, completely different link/story and you still only highlighted results, not those issues that may or may not have led to said outcomes.

Second, from the very story/link you posted...did you simply not read to fruition?

Show me the money
Walker’s ability to outspend Barrett carried some transparent advantages to his campaign, and its biggest impact could be felt during two periods, according to Franklin.

The first was during the initial petition drive and into mid-winter, when Walker ran a fair number of positive ads about how his reforms were working for the state.

“That happened in a period, as far as I know, when there were no Democratic counters in terms of advertising,” Franklin said. “That helped his campaign establish some arguments why his positive message should be accepted.”

The second important stretch came during the pre-primary election days when Walker’s campaign focused solely on Barrett, while Barrett, with what money he did have, was focused on beating former Dane County Executive Kathleen Falk.

“The cash differential was just one of the ways in which Walker was advantaged,” said UW's Burden. “It certainly helped him get onto the airwaves early with advertisements and helped to fund the call centers and other operations that mobilized Republican voters.”

Young, of Marquette, suspects the Walker campaign believed its expenditures mattered to the outcome, whereas, “Barrett probably would have spent more if he could.”

During the campaign, Barrett did become better known to Wisconsin, but his unfavorable ratings rose more than his favorable did, Franklin said.

“That’s common in an ad campaign against someone,” Franklin said.

[spoon]

Agreed on the recall. Again, I don't think this was a test for citizens united yet, as no contributions that would have previously been illegal were used by either side. Here's a good (despite being slanted hard right) description:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/06/citizens_united_becomes_the_lefts_all_purpose_excu se.html

the out of state money was huge here, along with the difference in spending overall...not to mention that look at contributions couldn't be more skewed if it was right off of Karl Rove's blog...and not once did I personally make this about Citizen's United, even if it's a terrible terrible idea to say the least.

i'm no fan of a recall without cause versus that of someone the other side doesn't agree with

[Bob Impact]

the out of state money was huge here, along with the difference in spending overall...not to mention that look at contributions couldn't be more skewed if it was right off of Karl Rove's blog...and not once did I personally make this about Citizen's United, even if it's a terrible terrible idea to say the least.

i'm no fan of a recall without cause versus that of someone the other side doesn't agree with

That's great, I wasn't replying to you.

[Crispy123]

That's great, I wasn't replying to you.

ouch! :laugh:

the out of state money was huge here, along with the difference in spending overall...not to mention that look at contributions couldn't be more skewed if it was right off of Karl Rove's blog...and not once did I personally make this about Citizen's United, even if it's a terrible terrible idea to say the least.

i'm no fan of a recall without cause versus that of someone the other side doesn't agree with

Why do you think its terrible? I am undecided.

I think it is a natural progression of our money being taken off of a gold standard. The only thing backing our money is the government of our country and ALL of its natural resources including the fighting spirit of its citizens. Even tho I see a good argument for this being a bad idea since it was a decision made by Richard Nixon and the only people publicly calling it a bad idea are the worshipers of another lunatic Republican, Ron Paul, I am not convinced. So I find the idea that the function of our government, including elections, costing more and more money over time as maybe a good thing.

[spoon]

That's great, I wasn't replying to you.

doesn't matter, I WAS responding to you

[spoon]

Why do you think its terrible? I am undecided.

I think it is a natural progression of our money being taken off of a gold standard. The only thing backing our money is the government of our country and ALL of its natural resources including the fighting spirit of its citizens. Even tho I see a good argument for this being a bad idea since it was a decision made by Richard Nixon and the only people publicly calling it a bad idea are the worshipers of another lunatic Republican, Ron Paul, I am not convinced. So I find the idea that the function of our government, including elections, costing more and more money over time as maybe a good thing.

10 Quick Reasons Nicely Covered (http://www.demos.org/publication/10-ways-citizens-united-endangers-democracy)

[Dude!]

money in politics
is such a non-issue

Procter and Gamble spends
3 + BILLION EVERY year to sell
it's toilet paper and detergent, etc.

that is more than is spent
on the presidential race +
ALL Senate races +
ALL House races
each presidential cycle

which is more important
and deserving of more money...
how the country is run or toilet paper?

[spoon]

money in politics
is such a non-issue

Procter and Gamble spends
3 + BILLION EVERY year to sell
it's toilet paper and detergent, etc.

that is more than is spent
on the presidential race +
ALL Senate races +
ALL House races
each presidential cycle

which is more important
and deserving of more money...
how the country is run or toilet paper?

Well one sentence in and of course you didn't let me down...good thing I stopped there.


FUCK, I wrote that wrong.


Well one sentence
in and of course
you didn't let
me down...good thing
I stopped there.

[Crispy123]

10 Quick Reasons Nicely Covered (http://www.demos.org/publication/10-ways-citizens-united-endangers-democracy)

The only things I agree with in that article are #2, #6 and maybe #10. I agree that the legislative branch can do better in regards to fairer election laws. I think redistricting and voter registration are bigger issues than Super Pacs tho.

[Dude!]

there was a mistake
in my post

in 2009, P&G spent
4.18 BILLION marketing
its products, not 3+ Billion

http://blog.kissmetrics.com/top-ad-spenders/?wide=1

4 billion every year
spent by ONE company
and people are worried
about a lousy billion
in a presidential race

[StanUpshaw]

Any opposition to Citizens United is just an admission that people are far too stupid for democracy to be a legitimate form of government.

[Syd]

Or that corporations aren't people. The shareholders don't need a second voice.

[StanUpshaw]

Or that corporations aren't people. The shareholders don't need a second voice.

A voice isn't a vote. The people are the ones in the voting booths. Stupid, stupid people.

[hanso]

ouch! :laugh:



Why do you think its terrible? I am undecided.

I think it is a natural progression of our money being taken off of a gold standard. The only thing backing our money is the government of our country and ALL of its natural resources including the fighting spirit of its citizens. Even tho I see a good argument for this being a bad idea since it was a decision made by Richard Nixon and the only people publicly calling it a bad idea are the worshipers of another lunatic Republican, Ron Paul, I am not convinced. So I find the idea that the function of our government, including elections, costing more and more money over time as maybe a good thing.

Is your reasoning that it is already happening so just open the floodgates?
And do you even ponder that there is payback ramifications? I just don't get how anyone could be for this.

[Syd]

A voice isn't a vote. The people are the ones in the voting booths. Stupid, stupid people.

Yes, but, they don't need a second voice especially in political matters. Given that the government allows corporations to exist (surprisingly enough, they're not a free market solution) they shouldn't be so graciously allowed the rights of actual living, breathing people.

[epo]

The money mattered, but for reasons that aren't obvious.

Its when, how and where said money was applied.

[StanUpshaw]

Yes, but, they don't need a second voice especially in political matters. Given that the government allows corporations to exist (surprisingly enough, they're not a free market solution) they shouldn't be so graciously allowed the rights of actual living, breathing people.

Rights, by definition, aren't "allowed," they can only be taken away by people with guns. The first amendment does not bestow the right to speech, it FORBIDS THE GOVERNMENT from prohibiting speech. Period.

I don't know how anyone can delude themselves into thinking that the government should set the rules of how the government is chosen. That's an insanely huge conflict of interest. And as a result, you get played.

The establishment always wants to forbid new entrants. It works the same in politics as it does in any business. They frighten you with their scary rhetoric, and what happens? You BEG them to erect barriers of entry for their competition. And so we end up with simultaneous 20% approval rates and 95% reelection rates. Funny how that works.

[StanUpshaw]

The money mattered, but for reasons that aren't obvious.

Its when, how and where said money was applied.

So much innuendo...

[Syd]

The approval rate and re-election rate has to do with federal system of congress -- people tend to like their own senators, but dislike other ones because of the misconception spread by the media. Parliamentary systems have much more sane numbers of re-election versus approval.

And yes, rights are "allowed" because there's always a system of government in place, even in a lack of government it's the guy with the biggest army running things. That's part of your libertarian delusion -- there will always be someone telling you what to do because you're not particularly important and not particularly special. Someone will always out-think you or be better armed than you based purely on odds.

[StanUpshaw]

Appeal to Mongol Invasion.

A statist classic!

[StanUpshaw]

And since I know "In you hate government, then why don't you move to Somalia" comes next (you're all so very predictable), I'll just go ahead and post this:

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[epo]

So much innuendo...

30.5 to 3.9.

With that type of disadvantage in cash, it makes filling all of the gaps literally impossible for one team & driving on a very smooth road probable for another.

I'm not complaining about it; its just a fact.

[StanUpshaw]

That's strictly Walker campaign vs. Barrett campaign, right? Are there totals of what was spent in the entirety of the recall effort?

[epo]

That's strictly Walker campaign vs. Barrett campaign, right? Are there totals of what was spent in the entirety of the recall effort?

Those numbers will be out with the next finance reports.

[StanUpshaw]

And I'm sure the Walker side outspent them considerably, but it's disingenuous to claim that the Barrett campaign fund was the only money spent to oppose Walker.