Scott Walker the naturally thin Chris Christie

[epo]

And I'm sure the Walker side outspent them considerably, but it's disingenuous to claim that the Barrett campaign fund was the only money spent to oppose Walker.

Did I say it was the only money?

I'm just saying with that differential, the money was a factor. Was it the only factor? No, but it matter.

[Crispy123]

Is your reasoning that it is already happening so just open the floodgates?
And do you even ponder that there is payback ramifications? I just don't get how anyone could be for this.

My reasoning is that our money has no inherent value, it is a unit of measurement of the value of American society, so it would be natural that the person running for office in that society would be the one who can raise the most money.

As far as payback, yes in theory the politicians would be beholden to their donors and support the positions they took in whatever election but self-serving, two faced politicians are what we now just call "politicians."

[hanso]

My reasoning is that our money has no inherent value, it is a unit of measurement of the value of American society, so it would be natural that the person running for office in that society would be the one who can raise the most money.

As far as payback, yes in theory the politicians would be beholden to their donors and support the positions they took in whatever election but self-serving, two faced politicians are what we now just call "politicians."

OK you are all in on that angle of it. Sorry but I don't buy into hardly anything that comes from Paul's camp. There are pretty much no economists that will go along with his view.

I see it from the ethics angle. We already have it in lower law and business, and politics to some extent, but it should be tightened not loosened IMO

[Crispy123]

OK you are all in on that angle of it. Sorry buy I don't buy into hardly anything that comes from Paul's camp. There are pretty much no economists that will go along with his view.

Woah, I am not even remotely in the Ron Paul camp. I definitely don't prescribe to the Gold is best and federal reserve is evil horseshit. However, I do recognize that we are, in fact, off the gold standard and there are implications to that.

[StanUpshaw]

http://i.imgur.com/otOb3.gif

[hanso]

Woah, I am not even remotely in the Ron Paul camp. I definitely don't prescribe to the Gold is best and federal reserve is evil horseshit. However, I do recognize that we are, in fact, off the gold standard and there are implications to that.

Well thats good, wasn't trying to tie you to that just getting a grasp on what angle your coming from. (maybe a new system?)

I added to above post with this.

I see it from the ethics angle. We already have it in lower law and business, and politics to some extent, but it should be tightened not loosened IMO

[Dude!]

obama could raised
a shitload of money for
the Wisconsin union cause
on one of his many trips there
campaigning with Barrett,
and showing solidarity with the unions

oh wait...
the coward didn't show his face in the state
and he only raises money for himself

epo and his union masters
must be very pleased with the prez

[Crispy123]

I see it from the ethics angle. We already have it in lower law and business, and politics to some extent, but it should be tightened not loosened IMO

There is certainly an argument being made for that.

The reality is that 230 some odd years of regulation has led us to where we are today and that there are going to be unintended consequences to whatever laws are passed but i don't think it has played out enough to say wether it is good or bad yet.

The idea that government itself is the problem or we need to scratch everything and start over are not sane or plausible to me.

[hanso]

Just to be sure Citizens United is what I was talking of all along. You brought up regulation or lack there of so we must be on par.


To me it is yet again a case of if a little works in one aspect then let it run rapid and see what happens.

[Dude!]

Romney takes the lead in WI:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/wisconsin/election_2012_wisconsin_president

it's payback time
for epo and the unions

obama pretended they didn't exist
and now he's gonna pay the price

it's only fair

[Syd]

wisconsin
is never
going for
romney

[Dude!]

wisconsin
is never
going for
romney

bush lost it to gore
by less than 5,000 votes
in 2000

kerry beat bush by .4%
in 2004

in both cases,
bush would have won,
except for election fraud
by the demos

they bussed in the homeless
from chicago, and had the injuns
on the reservations vote twice

[Syd]

the republicans
had every
fat white person
in cheese eating
wisconsin vote
twice
because they
weigh as m
uch as t

[epo]

bush lost it to gore
by less than 5,000 votes
in 2000

kerry beat bush by .4%
in 2004


I like how when Kerry in 2004 won by more than Gore in 2000 you used a percentage instead of a raw number.

[epo]

Walker, key aides implicated during Doe sentencing (http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/walker-key-aides-implicated-during-doe-sentencing-fn7n3s3-180021891.html)

Gov. Scott Walker and his top campaign and Milwaukee County aides were implicated Monday in a scheme in which they routinely commingled political and official county business.

The disclosures came during the sentencing of a former aide to Walker during his last year as Milwaukee County executive.

Kelly M. Rindfleisch, 44, was sentenced by Judge David Hansher to six months in jail and three years probation for a single felony count of misconduct in office. But the judge stayed the sentence pending Rindfleisch's appeal to the state Appeals Court or the state Supreme Court.

In a lengthy presentation during Rindfleisch's sentencing, Assistant District Attorney Bruce Landgraf displayed numerous emails between Rindfleisch and key members of Walker's campaign staff in which they discussed how to handle county issues in 2010, while Walker was a candidate for governor.

Landgraf said "The Campaign Group" included Walker, his campaign manager Keith Gilkes, campaign spokeswoman Jill Bader, campaign adviser R.J. Johnson. It also included several top county aides to Walker: Cindy Archer, who was county administration director; county chief of staff Tom Nardelli; county housing director Timothy Russell; spokeswoman Fran McLaughlin; and Rindfleisch.

He's an Eagle Scout I tells ya!

[Dude!]

in which they discussed how to handle county issues in 2010, while Walker was a candidate for governor.

really? that's the
best you got?

how about showing us
something that EVERY
pol hasn't done

[epo]

really? that's the
best you got?

how about showing us
something that EVERY
pol hasn't done

This:

The Campaign Group vetted press releases that were released from Walker's county office, Landgraf said. They included messages about a federal disaster declaration the county was seeking after torrential rains in July 2010; news reports in the Journal Sentinel in August that year about patient sexual assaults at the county Mental Health Complex; and the acknowledgment by Darlene Wink, a county office assistant, of sending campaign related emails criticizing Barrett from Walker's courthouse office.

In one exchange among members of The Campaign Group, Gilkes admonished Walker's county staff to be more forceful in responding to questions about the patient abuse issue, which included highly critical state and federal inspectors' reports.

"Tell (former county Deputy Corporation Counsel Timothy) Schoewe we're getting the crap kicked out of us," one email said. "I would like him to stop being a lawyer and think political," Gilkes wrote.

That is damning.

[jennysmurf]

This:



That is damning.

Hey! Watch your language mister!:annoyed:

[epo]

Hey! Watch your language mister!:annoyed:

I tried not to curse when I read this part:

Walker's campaign staff also vetted the county response to the June 24, 2010, death of 15-year-old Jared Kellner, who was killed by a concrete panel that fell from the side of the O'Donnell Park parking garage at the lakefront.

Gilkes, in an email written the day of the accident, advised Walker's county staff to "make sure there is not a piece of paper anywhere that details any problem at all." News organizations and lawyers representing victims and others filed numerous open record requests after the O'Donnell Park accident for inspection reports and other documents on its construction.

That's right, that piece of shit may have covered up evidence of the death of a 15-year old boy.

[Dude!]

I tried not to curse when I read this part:



That's right, that piece of shit may have covered up evidence of the death of a 15-year old boy.

so, Milwaukee has it's own
version of a Benghazi cover-up

i bet Walker didn't
watch the kid die on TV

like the obama crew watched
Ambassador Stevens die
without doing anything to help

[Syd]

the benghazi consulate
and the cia
never asked
for help
at benghazi
because as the
cia now admitted
they didn't want
to blow the cover
of the consulate
being a black site

also
benghazi
and tripoli

are two different
cities
over 600 miles
apart

dude! do you
think that obama
should have
sent hurricane relief
to kentucky
since new jersey
is 600 miles
away from
kentucky

[A.J.]

This:

The Campaign Group vetted press releases that were released from Walker's county office, Landgraf said. They included messages about a federal disaster declaration the county was seeking after torrential rains in July 2010; news reports in the Journal Sentinel in August that year about patient sexual assaults at the county Mental Health Complex; and the acknowledgment by Darlene Wink, a county office assistant, of sending campaign related emails criticizing Barrett from Walker's courthouse office.

In one exchange among members of The Campaign Group, Gilkes admonished Walker's county staff to be more forceful in responding to questions about the patient abuse issue, which included highly critical state and federal inspectors' reports.

"Tell (former county Deputy Corporation Counsel Timothy) Schoewe we're getting the crap kicked out of us," one email said. "I would like him to stop being a lawyer and think political," Gilkes wrote.

That is damning.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that there are probably sexual assaults taking place in state prisons as well.

[spoon]

you limb dweller

come back to the main part of the tree you silly goose

[Dude!]

dude! do you
think that obama
should have
sent hurricane relief
to kentucky
since new jersey
is 600 miles
away from
kentucky

dude, that shows your
assback logic

the hurricane was in NJ
not Kentucky, so should
help have been sent
from KY to NJ and the
answer is YES

and it was...
during the morning Sandy
was to strike, i was driving
from Parsippany (NJ) to PA
and there were trucks lining up
EVERYWHERE from OH, MO, IN,
NC, and yes, even Kentucky

even the bullshit NJ power companies
made sure assets were in place
BEFORE the storm actually hit

[Syd]

you read
that wrong
I was
asking if
Kentucky
should be sent
hurricane relief
because they are
600 miles
from New Jersey

the right wing apparently
believes that
anyone within
600 miles of someone
asking for help
must be given help
even if that someone
isn't asking for help
because that is
600 mile radius
small government
without a nanny state
and responsible spending
within 3,800 square miles
even if the government is
forced on you

[epo]

Another Walker associate sent to jail today. So far the John Doe investigation has given us the following convictions:

Walker donor - campaign finance violations
Walker appointee- embezzlement
Walker government staffer - embezzlement
Walker government staffer - campaign work on government time
Walker government staffer - campaign work on government time
Partner of Walker staffer - child enticement

It's a wonderful group of people he has in his circle...

[Dude!]

United States Court of Appeals
for the Seventh Circuit
upholds 100% of Walker's reforms

it is a great day for Wisconsin!

[epo]

So the college dropout is clearly running for president now.

Gross.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yea only ivy league graduates like Bush and Obama make great presidents

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Bill Clinton is a Rhodes Scholar but he has charm and was able to sell himself even with his past. He's a master politician, probably the best of acting like one I've seen.

He doesn't need a script or polished speech. If the 22nd was repealed he would have smoked Barack in 2008 during the primaries He'd go back to being a back benching Senator

[epo]

Bill Clinton is a Rhodes Scholar but he has charm and was able to sell himself even with his past. He's a master politician, probably the best of acting like one I've seen.

He doesn't need a script or polished speech. If the 22nd was repealed he would have smoked Barack in 2008 during the primaries He'd go back to being a back benching Senator

If the 22nd was amended, he would've crushed Bush in 2000.

[Snoogans]

can we rename this thread in leau of chris christie soon being thin himself?

[spoon]

Yea only ivy league graduates like Bush and Obama make great presidents



Oh sure, W earned his acceptance to Yale as much as he did that whole entry into the air nat guard and becoming a pilot to boot.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

For someone who went to Harvard, and was the editor of the law review and is some sort of a constitutional scholar, Barack really doesn't know it at all

[foodcourtdruide]

can we rename this thread in leau of chris christie soon being thin himself?

It would be great if Scott Walker gained a bunch of weight now.

[PapaBear]

can we rename this thread in leau of chris christie soon being thin himself?
Done, and done!

[Dude!]

If the 22nd was amended, he would've crushed Bush in 2000.

baloney...Reagan would be winning
his sixth term in 2000
alzheimer's or no,
and there never would have been
a Clinton or a Bush

[PapaBear]

If the 22nd was amended, he would've crushed Bush in 2000.
I'm pretty sure he's crushed every bush he's ever desired.

[spoon]

baloney...Reagan would be winning
his sixth term in 2000
alzheimer's or no,
and there never would have been
a Clinton or a Bush

which should tell you all you need to know about the GOP

[epo]

Well lookie...a 27,000 page data dump and finally people start asking legal questions about my governor.

Ugh, you're a lot bit late, but welcome to the party.

[sailor]

Well lookie...a 27,000 page data dump and finally people start asking legal questions about my governor.

Ugh, you're a lot bit late, but welcome to the party.

I'm certain I read two years ago he was no longer your governor, so you must be mistaken, sir.

[Dude!]

I'm certain I read two years ago he was no longer your governor, so you must be mistaken, sir.

Ha-ha!

epo's version of reality is:
"If I want to believe it, it's true."

[epo]

I'm certain I read two years ago he was no longer your governor, so you must be mistaken, sir.

The bane of my existence...

[PapaBear]

The bane of my existence...
So, you're Batman, and Sailor is Bane?

[sailor]

So, you're Batman, and Sailor is Bane?

Again, I'm not that fat.