The NEW Battlestar Galactica

[Tenbatsuzen]

Anyone expecting a pullaway to a well-known Earth landmark, a la Planet of the Apes?

This was a brilliant episode. I was sooooooo expecting something bad after the jump, like half the fleet ending up in a Sun or something.

For drooling on Bamber, Olmos deserves the Emmy. Holy shit.

[Drunky McBetidont]

so, did the earth people blow themselves up with nukes and war or did the cylon raids take them out? wouldn't parts of the planet have vegetation and support life so long after the destruction? i guess they will have to ask the hybrid what to do next and figure out the secret of the still unknown cylon. i was kind of hoping that lee would send saul out the airlock

[Furtherman]

Anyone expecting a pullaway to a well-known Earth landmark, a la Planet of the Apes?

I thought we did see one... wasn't that the ruins of the Brooklyn Bridge? It was the last ruin on the right side of the screen right before the credits rolled. It was only visible for a second but that's what I thought. I'll be hunting for a screen caps.

WOW.

So it's Earth in the future they arrived to. But all is gone. That was the quite the shocker. I'll have to look back on what I predicted what Earth they would arrive at, but I don't think I ever thought it would be in ruins.

I didn't think Adama was going to make it have his bender. I loved Tigh's proclamation of "I am one of the final five!" with his arms stretched out.

I'd imagine this episode would have a few more scenes on the DVDs. The realization of who the four were seemed a little too matter of fact.

But now... what of Earth? Survivors? Did they blow themselves up or was there a human-cylon war there as well?

[Furtherman]

Found one...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Furtherman/revelations.jpg

It certainly could be.

I think Galactica has found earth hundreds - maybe a thousand? - years after some kind of war.

[Cybersoldier]

Best cliffhanger I have seen in a while and what sucks we have to wait until 09 to see the rest of the season

[STC-Dub]

I think I mentioned a ruined Earth inis thread somewhere. But notice there was never any scenes showing the moon, nor could any continents be seen in any of the views of the planet. It might be Earth, and we are being lead to beleive it is Earth but there is no actual proof that they are in the Earth.

[Furtherman]

It was Earth. Our Earth. The constellations matched. Plus, the producers said at the beginning of the season that they will find Earth.

[Radioguy]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Furtherman/revelations.jpg

That sold me. It's probably an eternal circle of AI development, war, exodus and settlement. How many times they've come back to Earth is the current question in my mind. Maybe the one God is the breaking of the cycle this time around?

[furie]

So if the final five have been to earth, why don't the four on Galactica know where earth is or that the viper had the compass?
and who did starbuck meet while she was missing?

[STC-Dub]

We will have to wait for the final 10 episodes-- next year -- to find out.

[BrooklynKat]

We will have to wait for the final 10 episodes-- next year -- to find out.

Do you know when the last episodes are airing? I read somewhere that we are at the mid-way point in the series but didn't realize there were 10 more eps!

[EliSnow]

So if the final five have been to earth, why don't the four on Galactica know where earth is or that the viper had the compass?
and who did starbuck meet while she was missing?

All good questions.

And we'll get the answers to those questions ......


http://community.tvguide.com/servlet/ImgServlet?mx=220&attachImage=true&contentType=image%2Fjpeg&attachment=800014008&crop=false




When we return from the season break.

[Furtherman]

So if the final five have been to earth, why don't the four on Galactica know where earth is or that the viper had the compass?
and who did starbuck meet while she was missing?

I'm going to guess that it will explained that the final 5 had been to Earth, but in their original form: the first model of their series. Therefore the current models do not remember Earth, but somewhere in their hardware was a switch that turned Starbuck's viper signal on.

As for what really happened to Starbuck while she was gone, I don't even know where to begin to guess.

[STC-Dub]

In the original series there was an episode where everyone though Starbuch was dead but was on some alien ship where everything was white. Probably has nothing to do with the new series but I do remember that episode.

[Radioguy]

IIRC, weren't those the "angel" aliens who were after the Lucifer-like Count Iblis? (Patrick MacNee)

They religious overtones were even stronger back then. I wouldn't assume that Kara was having a heavenly pit stop this time around.

[Furtherman]

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[Furtherman]

Something looked familiar to me in the ruins. This building, specifically, the roof, which seems to have collapsed.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Furtherman/earthruin.jpg

Have we seen this before?

I have a feeling there was a structure on Kobol that had a similar roof. I cannot find any screen shots of it.

[EliSnow]

Something looked familiar to me in the ruins. This building, specifically, the roof, which seems to have collapsed.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Furtherman/earthruin.jpg

Have we seen this before?

I have a feeling there was a structure on Kobol that had a similar roof. I cannot find any screen shots of it.

Are you thinking of when Roslin was looking at the Raptor photos of Kobol, and she had a vision of the city and had the Temple of Athena (I think)? It had a center circle with spokes coming out, I think.

http://fiction.fandf.ru/battlestar_galactica/files/episodes/1x12.jpg

[Furtherman]

Are you thinking of when Roslin was looking at the Raptor photos of Kobol, and she had a vision of the city and had the Temple of Athena (I think)? It had a center circle with spokes coming out, I think.

http://fiction.fandf.ru/battlestar_galactica/files/episodes/1x12.jpg

Good call. Perhaps that is what I was thinking of. I'm not sure if it means anything though.

[Radioguy]

I recognized that too, but I didn't think there was much significance to it. I assumed all of the colonies had similar building designs for the central governments. :unsure:

[Furtherman]

The L.A. Times is reporting that a Battlestar Galactica TV movie has been green-lit! (http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-News-Blog/Todays-News/Battlestar-Galactica-Tv/800042378)

http://theenvelope.latimes.com/media/photo/2008-06/39922764.jpg

[STC-Dub]

Nice, but I would rather have the second half of the final season.

[HBox]

Katee Sackhoff is in a video on this site, Project Abraham. It's an ARG for the upcoming PS3 game Resistance 2. (http://projectabraham.com/)

[Furtherman]

Some Battlestar news from Comic Con: (http://www.jackmyers.com/commentary/ed-martin-watercooler/25991104.html)

Battlestar Galactica

The one bit of huge news that was not made at Comic-Con was the identity of the final Cylon on Battlestar Galactica, which will be revealed at the end of the series' run next year.

When one person in the audience begged BSG executive producers David Eick and Ronald D. Moore to "give us a clue who the final Cylon is - just a clue," hundreds of fans in the room screamed, "No!" (Mercifully, not everyone finds the television viewing experience enhanced by spoilers.)

BSG star Jamie Bamber said, "The ending is an ending. It is utterly sublime. It's the perfect way to end the show. It does everyone and everything justice."

Since this would likely be the BSG cast's final appearance at Comic-Con, the crowd gave them a thunderous and oddly moving standing ovation at the end of the session.

[EliSnow]

Sort of an aside here. I was at the liquor store last night, and heard a guy use the word "frak" when speaking.

First time, I really heard someone say that word in real life. Anyone else notice people using it?

[Furtherman]

Sort of an aside here. I was at the liquor store last night, and heard a guy use the word "frak" when speaking.

First time, I really heard someone say that word in real life. Anyone else notice people using it?

That's great! I've never heard it, except from myself.

[STC-Dub]

Never heard it said by anyone but myself.

[Furtherman]

Battlestar Jam-Packs Episodes

The second half of the fourth and final season of SCI FI Channel's original series Battlestar Galactica promises fans a number of extra-long, jam-packed episodes as it works toward the climactic finale, executive producer David Eick told fans at Comic-Con International in San Diego on July 26.

In a subsequent interview, Eick told SCI FI Wire that producers have been "able to convince the network to let us air ... long episodes--[to] take single episodes and make them double episodes, ... [and to take] double episodes and make them quadruple episodes."

Eick added: "Our episodes are always ... long, and we're constantly getting into the editing room with 10, 15, sometimes 20 minutes of material that you can't get into an episode." With just a half-season remaining, Eick said, "the story has become so critical in order to realize the arc of the series that we can't just cut stuff out and save it for later or push it 'til next year, the stuff we're used to doing. It's all got to be there."

Eick and the cast members refused to divulge any details about the final episodes, other than to express excitement over the upcoming storylines and to praise the finale, written by executive producer Ronald D. Moore, which they have just finished shooting.

"There are so many great episodes in between, but ... the script of the finale, it's poetry, ... it really is," Michael Trucco (Samuel T. Anders) said.

Jamie Bamber (Lee "Apollo" Adama) said that the final season, "like all good endings, ... sort of ties [into] the beginning. ... It's like a great piece of music where all the strains and all the melodies that you've had so far come and are referred to in the end. And there is a new beginning as well. ... The same for Lee. It's an ending and a beginning, and it's sublime."

As for bringing the series to a close, Eick said, "We were trying to do something different with science fiction, ... with the space opera; we were trying to kind of blow the wheels off the sort of Star Trek aesthetic, and I think on that front we feel very accomplished. ... It's definitely gratifying to feel like we captured some part of the public's imagination and that the show overcame its title and overcame, in some respects, its genre to get the respect it's gotten." Battlestar Galactica returns with new episodes in early 2009. --Nephele Tempest

[STC-Dub]

Souod but we still have to wait another 6 months!

[Drunky McBetidont]

so say we all.

i am still hanging with the harbinger of death, (and she is hot as fuck)

[EliSnow]

Fernando's getting slow.

Apparently, following the series finale, SciFi will have a BSG movie, directed by Adama himself (Ed Jimmy Olmos) and written by Buffy vet, Jane Espenson (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/37830). The movie will be a prequel, but will be Cylon-centric:

According to the LA Times:

The stand-alone will document the Cylons' attempts -- those of two agents in particular -- to grapple with human survivors, both those aboard ships and those left alive on planets, shortly after the Cylons' destruction of human home worlds.

[Furtherman]

Fernando's getting slow.

Apparently, following the series finale, SciFi will have a BSG movie, directed by Adama himself (Ed Jimmy Olmos) and written by Buffy vet, Jane Espenson (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/37830). The movie will be a prequel, but will be Cylon-centric:

According to the LA Times:







Ahem.

The L.A. Times is reporting that a Battlestar Galactica TV movie has been green-lit! (http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-News-Blog/Todays-News/Battlestar-Galactica-Tv/800042378)

[EliSnow]

Ahem.

Eli's getting embarassed.

To be fair, that article didn't have the details that this one did.

[Furtherman]

Do you ever turn Lawyer-mode off? The details weren't available yet!

[EliSnow]

Do you ever turn Lawyer-mode off? The details weren't available yet!

You were on top of the ball when the story came out a couple of months ago.

My slowness comment was about the story today.

[Furtherman]

Watch the Cylon Toaster make 3 kinds of frakkin’ awesome toast (http://dvice.com/archives/2008/08/dvice_tv_watch.php)

[Doctor Manhattan]

Watch the Cylon Toaster make 3 kinds of frakkin’ awesome toast (http://dvice.com/archives/2008/08/dvice_tv_watch.php)

That looks cool. I don't think I'd want to suffer through a Comic-Con to get it. Do people go there just to get stuff to put on eBay?

[EliSnow]

So this past weekend, I was reading my Hulk collection (don't worry I know what thread this is). And I'm reading an issue from the early to mid '90s, when Peter David was the writer, and the Hulk was a member/leader of the Pantheon. If you're not familiar with the Pantheon, they were super-powered individuals who took their rnames from heroes from Greek mythology, such as Achilles, Perseus, Paris, Ajaz, Prometheus, Atallanna.

Anyway, in the issue in question, they had a funeral scene for one of the members of the Pantheon, and someone was saying the ritual prayers, etc. The response from the rest of the Pantheon was "So Say We All."

So my head is wondering whether we have a coincidence or "borrowing." Does anyone know if this saying was used in the original Galactica, and David used it in the Hulk? Is it a saying that has its origin in real-life prayer, and both stories borrowed it from that source? Or did David start it, and Galactica borrowed it? Or do we have a complete coincidence?

[Judge Smails]

Not 100% sure but I believe that "So say we all" is Arthurian Legend in origin. You know - Knights of the Roundtable and all that.

[Furtherman]

I recall reading that Edward James Olmos had ad-libbed that line during the memorial scene when filming the original mini series. Everyone went along with it.

[Judge Smails]

Boo-yah! (http://books.google.com/books?id=NRSvMLdgfugC&pg=PA294&lpg=PA294&dq=%22so+say+we+all%22+king+arthur&source=web&ots=s5CLHgJDeU&sig=xFAITOFuuONLSkKiRWWXVSAvGNQ&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=9&ct=result)

EDIT:

Also, from Shakespeare's Titus Andronicus, Act V. Scene 1:

[quote]<TABLE cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=2 width="100%" align=center><TBODY><TR><TD>Flourish. Enter LUCIUS, and an army of Goths, with drums and colours.




</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right></TD></TR><TR><TD>Luc. Approved warriors, and my faithful friends,</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right></TD></TR><TR><TD>I have received letters from great Rome,</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>4</TD></TR><TR><TD>Which signify what hate they bear their emperor,</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right></TD></TR><TR><TD>And how desirous of our sight they are.</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right></TD></TR><TR><TD>Therefore, great lords, be, as your titles witness,</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right></TD></TR><TR><TD>Imperious and impatient of your wrongs;</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>8</TD></TR><TR><TD>And wherein Rome hath done you any scath,</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right></TD></TR><TR><TD>Let him make treble satisfaction.</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right></TD></TR><TR><TD>First Goth. Brave slip, sprung from the great Andronicus,</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right></TD></TR><TR><TD>Whose name was once our terror, now our comfort;</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>12</TD></TR><TR><TD>Whose high exploits and honourable deeds</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right></TD></TR><TR><TD>Ingrateful Rome requites with foul contempt,</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right></TD></TR><TR><TD>Be bold in us: we’ll follow where thou lead’st,</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right></TD></TR><TR><TD>Like stinging bees in hottest summer’s day</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>16</TD></TR><TR><TD>Led by their master to the flower’d fields,</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right></TD></TR><TR><TD>And be aveng’d on cursed Tamora.</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right></TD></TR><TR><TD>Goths. And, as he saith, so say we all with him.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
[quote]


This goes along with a previous post of mine where I pointed out that Baltar was reading Hamlet's soliloquy in his radio broadcast.

[Furtherman]

Exclusive: The 'Battlestar Galactica' Cast & Crew Coffee Table Book (http://www.cinemaspy.ca/article.php?id=1357&p=1)

Only intended as an internal publication for those who worked on the show (don't bother looking for it on Amazon, you won't find it), the book is filled with wonderful, intimate anecdotes from producers Ron Moore and David Eick, to almost every member of the production personnel and, of course, the cast.

[STC-Dub]

Why do I get the feeling this will be on Amazon at some point?

[Furtherman]

7 Deleted Scenes From Galactica's Fourth Season Answer Some Burning Questions (http://io9.com/5060839/7-deleted-scenes-from-galacticas-fourth-season-answer-some-burning-questions)

No more waiting for the special features from the Battlestar Galactica Season 4.0 DVDs. We've got 7 clips that were never aired right here. Find out who has more guilt than they're letting on among Galactica's crew, why everyone hates Starbuck, and finally get some answers as to why Boomer loves Brother Cavil enough to give him naked dances. Yes there are spoilers if you haven't seen the episodes that have already aired.

[EliSnow]

7 Deleted Scenes From Galactica's Fourth Season Answer Some Burning Questions (http://io9.com/5060839/7-deleted-scenes-from-galacticas-fourth-season-answer-some-burning-questions)

I've never bought why Boomer is hanging with Cavil. Given her history, etc., it doesn't make sense to me. And the video in question doesn't help.

[Furtherman]

Dwight said he never talks personal at work. Jim doesn't believe him so he times every "personal" conversation Dwight engages in.

And so the geek torture begins...

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[Furtherman]

Season 4 BSG DVD Details Announced (http://io9.com/5062448/season-4-bsg-dvd-details-announced)

http://blog.ugo.com/images/uploads/BSGs4_3Dslpcs_thumb.jpg



Who would win in a fight? A minotaur with a trident or a centaur armed with a crossbow? The BSG cast answers. (http://www.ugo.com/movies/minotaur-vs-centaur/?cur=battlestar-galactica)

[STC-Dub]

So it took almost a year for them to release the Season 3 DVD but before season 4 is done they are giving details of what the Season 4 DVD will have? Very strange, I guess they want to get people excited for the new series?

[Furtherman]

So it took almost a year for them to release the Season 3 DVD but before season 4 is done they are giving details of what the Season 4 DVD will have? Very strange, I guess they want to get people excited for the new series?

This is the DVD of the first half of season 4. Available Jan 6th. Shortly thereafter the last 10 or so remaining episodes of season 4 will air.

[STC-Dub]

I should have notice the 4.0 on the box. I guess I had better get to it and order season 3 which I have been putting off.

[JustJon]

Season 4 BSG DVD Details Announced (http://io9.com/5062448/season-4-bsg-dvd-details-announced)

http://blog.ugo.com/images/uploads/BSGs4_3Dslpcs_thumb.jpg



Who would win in a fight? A minotaur with a trident or a centaur armed with a crossbow? The BSG cast answers. (http://www.ugo.com/movies/minotaur-vs-centaur/?cur=battlestar-galactica)

Why is Adama staring at Sarbuck's boobs?

So it took almost a year for them to release the Season 3 DVD but before season 4 is done they are giving details of what the Season 4 DVD will have? Very strange, I guess they want to get people excited for the new series?

They announced 3.5 like 67 months ahead of time too, and then got delayed when 3.5 got delayed.

[Furtherman]

Why is Adama staring at Sarbuck's boobs?

Wouldn't you?

[Doctor Manhattan]

Why is Adama staring at Sarbuck's boobs?

I was so busy staring at them that I didn't notice Lee was as well, until you mentioned it..

[Furtherman]

From TVGuide:

A Sci Fi source confirms to me exclusively that the last half of season 4 premieres on Friday, Jan. 16, at 10 p.m. Which, by my calculations, puts the series finale (boo-hoo!) at Friday, March 20

[Furtherman]

Damn.

http://dvice.com/pics/bgal_pc_front.jpg

http://dvice.com/galleries/bgallery/bgal_pc_1.jpg

Here's a PC case mod that's worthy of the name Battlestar Galactica. This liquid-cooled work of art has a numerous video screens, a side window hidden by a servo-controlled door, and a slot-loading DVD drive that lets you see its disc spinning through its semi-transparent front.

We're especially impressed by the LED-lit landing strip on top, ready to accommodate a squadron of Mark VII vipers. It even looks like the case has taken a few hits from the nuclear weapons of the Cylons. Check out the gallery and you'll see all the spectacular details incorporated into the masterpiece by case modder Boddaker, and then hit Continue for a video of the case in action.

Battlestar Galactica PC, a masterpiece with stunning attention to detail (http://dvice.com/archives/2008/10/battlestar_gala.php?p=4&cat=undefined#more)

[Gmann]

must....
resist....
urge.... to....
BUY.....

[Furtherman]

Even more detail here. Holy Frak this thing is awesome. (http://www.bit-tech.net/modding/2008/10/13/battlestar-galactica-case-mod/12)

http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2008/10/battlestar-galactica-case-mod/Wide.jpg

http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2008/10/battlestar-galactica-case-mod/Fan_Grill.jpg

[JustJon]

Saw that computer mod earlier this week. It is so badass.

[furie]

Wouldn't you?

I know the human race is on the brink of extinction, but there are better tits in the fleet then her's

[Furtherman]

-- As previously announced, "Battlestar Galactica" will begin its swan song on Friday, January 16 at 10:00/9:00c. Also keep an eye out for "BSG: Essential Elements," a half-hour special on Sunday, January 11 at 11:00/10:00c. And if that wasn't enough "Galactica," it's understood the latest wave of webisodes for the series will be broadcast during the network's January 15 presentation of "Pitch Black."

[IamFogHat]

I'm watching BSG on dvd, and I have a question; where does Razor fit in? What seasons is it between? Thanks buddays.

[STC-Dub]

It is supposed to be between seasons 2 and three but is more like the second half of season 2.

[EliSnow]

Spoiler link!!!!


Two Galactica officers to be revealed as gays in upcoming webisode. (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/39127)

I wonder if gay marriage is permitted in the Colonial fleet.

[cougarjake13]

Season 4 BSG DVD Details Announced (http://io9.com/5062448/season-4-bsg-dvd-details-announced)

http://blog.ugo.com/images/uploads/BSGs4_3Dslpcs_thumb.jpg



Who would win in a fight? A minotaur with a trident or a centaur armed with a crossbow? The BSG cast answers. (http://www.ugo.com/movies/minotaur-vs-centaur/?cur=battlestar-galactica)



whats that chicks name ??


she's delicious

[Devo37]

i wish sci fi would start re-airing the first half of the season so i can remember what the frak is going on. it's been way too long.

or, i could just buy the dvd's...

[STC-Dub]

You could igf they were out yet. I do think that you can watch episodes on scifi.com though.

[Furtherman]

The Canadian Sci-Fi channel Space aired an intense new trailer for the season:

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[pittphantoms]

http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/youwillknowthetruth/index.php?pageid=10

There is a group of hints sci-fi is releasing until the show comes back on 1-16-09.

If you got any theories - lets hear them.

[STC-Dub]

The trailer for season 4.5 is also up ant the regular sci-fi site: http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=850122

[Devo37]

are there gonna be any webisodes leading into the new season?

[pittphantoms]

Just to update - today's clue was pretty interesting - it was the Last Supper picture from last year that caused a lot of stir - but with Roslin photoshopped out.

This may be the first "clue" gimick for a TV show I ever cared out... This show is just so damn good.

[Furtherman]

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/12/10/bsg_poster.jpeg

A new Season 4.5 "Battlestar Galactica" poster has surfaced.

Don't forget, the first installment of the new set of Webisodes debuts 11 a.m. Central Time Friday, and we've got more Webisodes coming next week.

The show itself returns on Sci Fi Jan. 16. Only 36 days.

[Freitag]

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/12/10/bsg_poster.jpeg

A new Season 4.5 "Battlestar Galactica" poster has surfaced.

Don't forget, the first installment of the new set of Webisodes debuts 11 a.m. Central Time Friday, and we've got more Webisodes coming next week.

The show itself returns on Sci Fi Jan. 16. Only 36 days.

You know, between the Season 4 DVD cover and now this poster, people are paying a whole lot of attention to a specific part of her body.

[STC-Dub]

Her shoulders?

[Judge Smails]

Webisodes start today. (http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/) (Now with more gay!)

[Doctor Manhattan]

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/12/10/bsg_poster.jpeg

A new Season 4.5 "Battlestar Galactica" poster has surfaced.


I liked those posters the first time I saw them:

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5209/2003postermonicamh2.jpg

[Furtherman]

Battlestarbook (http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3322805/battlestarbook)

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/01/BSGFacebook-2.jpg

[pittphantoms]

New season starts Friday

Scifi has been running a show - ten things you need to know about BSG - its on at 2:00 AM tonight if you want to DVR it. It helped me remember where it left off...

[stinkbud]

What did y'all think of "The Face Of The Enemy" webisodes?

I like where it leads us for the current season. Gaeta clearly is going to be stirring up a ruckus. And of course, the webisodes had plenty of Grace Park and that is never a bad thing.

[Devo37]

i've been waiting for all of the webisodes to come out before I watch Face of the Enemy. I think the final one is available today.

It's been about 12 years since the last new episode, and now i have to work Friday night :wallbash:

oh well, i guess i'll have to watch it online.

[STC-Dub]

Not sure why but I just have not been able to get into the webisodes. I have watched all except for the final one. They are not bad, just not the same as the show for me.

[Doogie]

I just finished watching season 4 and getting all caught up. And right on time too...with season 5 starting tommorow evening. Perfect timing. But I have to admit...I hate having to wait through commercials. Like getting all the seasons in one shot.

Now I am ready to see where the hell the story goes. Does the alliance get honored and the rebuilding of Earth begins?? Or does everything go to hell?? And are there any survivors left on Earth ala Fallout 3 style??

Finally, does anyone know how many episodes season 5 (or 4.5 depending on perspective) there are supposed to be??

[Doogie]

Webisodes start today. (http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/) (Now with more gay!)

Ha...didnt bother going through all threads when I posted befroe and missed link to webisodes. "The gay" is for 0.5 seconds, but still made me go to the screen "ewwww" and recall back from the screen. I guess bothered me cause it was a semi-big character.

[STC-Dub]

. I guess bothered me cause it was a semi-big character.

Ummm, not sure how to respond to that, wasn't paying attention to their private parts myself.

[Drunky McBetidont]

under 24 hours.



:help:



if i recall, we have nine episodes this, the last, season

doc manhattan calculated it a few pages back

[pittphantoms]

I think I read on the board about the clues that there would be 10 episodes in this mini-season

[A Pwnasaur]

i can't wait and yet i don't want it to end. i don't know to feel about spin-offs. hopefully they are the same quality as the original

[brettmojo]

The marathon today has been nice. Reminded me of some stuff I forgot.

[Devo37]

i just finished re-watching the whole series in the past couple of weeks. just finished watching season 4 last night.

Can't wait to see the new one. hopefully, i'll be home in time for the midnight replay.

[Judge Smails]

I was just reading the spisode description for the new episode in my channel guide and it just says "The final Cylon is revealed". I guess we won't have to wait long for that question to be answered.

[Devo37]

I was just reading the spisode description for the new episode in my channel guide and it just says "The final Cylon is revealed". I guess we won't have to wait long for that question to be answered.

yeah, that's what tv guide said. i'm more interested in finding out about wtf happened to the Earth than the final cylon. it just better not be the adama, baltar, or roslyn!

[Drunky McBetidont]

if anyone comes across a link that has tonight's episode without the buffering and ads that i have to deal with on http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/ i would greatly appretiate them posting such a link. ;)


25 minutes and counting... i am getting very excited.

[Drunky McBetidont]

yeah, that's what tv guide said. i'm more interested in finding out about wtf happened to the Earth than the final cylon. it just better not be the adama, baltar, or roslyn!



i thought we knew that it was baltar? ros is the profit. if adama is a cylon i will shave my fucking eyebrows off tonight.

[brettmojo]

i thought we knew that it was baltar? ros is the profit. if adama is a cylon i will shave my fucking eyebrows off tonight.
It's either Kara or the dead Adama kid.

[Tenbatsuzen]

My guesses for the final cylon

Roslin
Zak Adama
Zarek
Starbuck.

I'm leaning towards Zarek.

[HBox]

This is my first time watching SciFi HD and it's fucking ass. It's so heavily compressed it looks worse than a standard DVD and barely better than SD.

Is it that way for other people who don't have Cablevision or is Cablevision giving this channel the shaft?

[Tenbatsuzen]

This is my first time watching SciFi HD and it's fucking ass. It's so heavily compressed it looks worse than a standard DVD and barely better than SD.

Is it that way for other people who don't have Cablevision or is Cablevision giving this channel the shaft?

Looks like ass here. Comcast. But comcast compresses the shit.

[Tenbatsuzen]

So Earth was Wegman's?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Red herring.

Has to be.

[Tenbatsuzen]

...why is Kara's face cut up?

[HBox]

Red herring.

Has to be.

The only out I can think of at this point is the maternity facility and her scar.

[Tenbatsuzen]

What I'm fuckin' pissed most about right now is that the Cylons have tech to remove radiation. This was brought up in Downloaded.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Hello Dee's breasts. You've been missed.

[brettmojo]

Hello Gayda's stump.

[brettmojo]

What The Fuck!!!

[HBox]

This is a real pick-me-upper.

[Tenbatsuzen]

she was suicidal. She lost her shit on Earth. That was telegraphed a bit, but it was well done.

Maybe the final straw was Lee pushing her away?

[Tenbatsuzen]

This is a real pick-me-upper.

You were expecting How I Met Your Mother?



High-Final-Five!

[docgoblin]

No wonder I always have to watch these episodes twice... Damn!

[brettmojo]

Wasn't she humming that song before she blew her head off?

[HBox]

You were expecting How I Met Your Mother?



High-Final-Five!

Well now I'm just waiting for human sacrifice, cats and dogs living together........

[Judge Smails]

My favorite thing so far: The new KFC Frak Pak

[HBox]

Wasn't she humming that song before she blew her head off?

That's what I was thinking. That or what happened.

Hell, they both still might happen.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Somebody, please, anyone... GIVE OLMOS A FUCKING EMMY ALREADY.

[brettmojo]

Oh shit it's all hitting the fan!

[docgoblin]

No, frackin' way!

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://www.digital-digest.com/blog/DVDGuy/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/emmy_award.jpg

[docgoblin]

http://www.digital-digest.com/blog/DVDGuy/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/emmy_award.jpg

DITTO!

[HBox]

I put a picture of a bunny right next to my TV to lighten things up but the thing spontaneously combusted about the time Adama said Tigh's wife was fucking half the fleet.

[brettmojo]

I put a picture of a bunny right next to my TV to lighten things up but the thing spontaneously combusted about the time Adama said Tigh's wife was fucking half the fleet.
I read a spoiler that in the next break we find out Lee raped a litter of puppies back on Pegasus.

[docgoblin]

I read a spoiler that in the next break we find out Lee raped a litter of puppies back on Pegasus.

Aw, come on!... No you ruuuuined it!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Adam's the fifth

[Tenbatsuzen]

Spoilers I read say that Hera and Nicolas get airlocked, then Gaeta gets Colonial AIDS

[docgoblin]

Spoilers I read say that Hera and Nicolas get airlocked, then Gaeta gets Colonial AIDS

Does Jim Norton have a cameo?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Man, Kara is NEVER around with bad news. First Prosna with that fracking gimbel and now Dee.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Ellen = Aged Six. Has to be.

[HBox]

LLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMEEEEEE

[brettmojo]

Ewww she was the 5th? Bummer.

[HBox]

Ellen = Aged Six. Has to be.

I hope so.

[HBox]

It seems like this whole season is going to be humanity circling the tubes faster and faster.

I'm also now tending towards the theory that:

everyone is a cylon

[Drunky McBetidont]

linky?

[A Pwnasaur]

that last episode just rocked me so bad. it was depressing and i loved every second of it. i don't see this ending well for any characters. i think we're going to see alot more characters die. i don't know what else to say. this is one of the best sci fi shows i have ever seen and i'll miss this when it's over. i'm not sure if anything made for tv is this good.

[STC-Dub]

Not sure how I feel about that episode yet. Helen as the 5th unknown cylon would be pretty lame though.

[Gvac]

So many people have recommended this show and raved about it and I've yet to see a single episode.

Is it really as thought provoking and intelligent as I've been told, or just more cheesy sci-fi drivel?

[mdr55]

Can someone post a recap or spoiler. Thanks

[Judge Smails]

Can someone post a recap or spoiler. Thanks

Earth was nuked 2000 years ago. Everything's radioactive.
They find Cylon parts and bones in the debris. Baltar runs tests and finds that all of the bones found are Cylons too.
The Galactica Cylons start having visions of their lives as they were on Earth right before the nuclear holocaust.
The President just gives up. Burns her "Bible", refuses to address the fleet and curls up in a ball in her quarters.
Starbuck follows the distress beacon from her new Viper and finds the wreckage of her old Viper. Inside the Viper are the remains of Starbuck. Da da daaaaa. Starbuck doesn't tell anyone and instead burns the remains on a funeral pyre.
Apollo picks up the slack for the president and eases tensions in the fleet. He reconnects with his ex - Dualla. After a nice date she seems all happy and singing, she goes back to her quarters puts a gun to her head and blows her brains out.
Adama loses it, blames himself for everything, gets drunk and goes to talk shit to Tighe calling him Cylon and shit and daring him to kill him. Tighe talks sense to him and gets him to suck it up and lead the lead the fleet somewhere else.
Adama tells the fleet they'll try and find a new home.
Tighe has a vision of his final moments on Earth where his wife Ellen is dying and she tells him not to worry because they'll all be reborn. He realizes Ellen is the fifth Cylon. Da da daaa. FIN


I probably forgot something and someone will correct me.

[HBox]

Can someone post a recap or spoiler. Thanks

The whole fleet, including the cylons, are pretty devastated by Earth. The water and wildlife there is all radiated. They find out the planet was nuked 2000 years ago. They also find remains of what they think is humans and centurions. But the remains were not of humans, they were of cylons. Earth was a cylon planet. THe three cylons other than Tigh start having memories of living on this planet 2000 years ago right before it was nuked.

Roslin is completely devastated by the whole thing, burning her scripture and giving up on everything. Dualla is too, and she kills herself with a gun shot to the head after a seemingly fun night with Lee. Admiral Adama is pretty fucked up by everything as well. He goes to see Tigh to try and entice him to kill him since Adama can't do it himself. The whole fleet is in disarray.

Kara and the religious cylon she interrogated and who imprisoned her on New Caprica are looking for the source of the distress signal that led them here. It was a colonial distress signal. They find wreckage of Kara's old viper. They finally find the cockpit with Kara's charred body with her old dog tag. This completely freaks out the cylon who leaves her.

Adama finally stops drinking with Tigh and announces to the fleet that they will start searching for a new planet again. Tigh goes down to the planet to remove all people from the planet. He runs into the Xena (forget her name at the moment) cylon. She says she's not coming, that this is all happening again and she wants no part of it. Tigh starts to walk into the ocean, finds a piece of debris and has a flashback to when he was living on Earth. It's during the nuking of the planet. He's going through wreckage trying to find someone. He finds his wife Ellen. She tells him not to worry, everything is in place and they will be reborn. Tigh comes back to current time and says that Ellen is the 5th.

[MisterSmith]

So many people have recommended this show and raved about it and I've yet to see a single episode.

Is it really as thought provoking and intelligent as I've been told, or just more cheesy sci-fi drivel?

It really is an excellent show and has maintained high quality throughout its run. I will admit that I have gotten a little frustrated with the show, particularly the second half of season 3 and first half of season 4, but that is more due to personal expectations RE: what should happen rather than the show itself.

Check out the initial miniseries that served as the pilot. It is only 4 hours and you will give you a good taste of what is to come. I'm betting you will want to check out the series after that.

[Gvac]

It really is an excellent show and has maintained high quality throughout its run. I will admit that I have gotten a little frustrated with the show, particularly the second half of season 3 and first half of season 4, but that is more due to personal expectations RE: what should happen rather than the show itself.

Check out the initial miniseries that served as the pilot. It is only 4 hours and you will give you a good taste of what is to come. I'm betting you will want to check out the series after that.

Thank you, MisterSmith....if that is your real name...

[MisterSmith]

Anybody else starting to think that the Light Ship "aliens" from the original series may end up making an appearance?

They could be survivors from the 13th colony that have continued to develop and are now trying to guide the human and cylon survivors. Think about it - we have developed a hell of a lot in 2000 years; in another 2000 we/they could be at the technological level of the Light Ship civilization.

Hell, I don't know. I will say that I am really interested in where the season/series is going to end up.

[MisterSmith]

Thank you, MisterSmith....if that is your real name...

Hey, you try living with the first name Mister. It is a burden.

I hate my parents...

[Judge Smails]

Ellen = Aged Six. Has to be.

How about Ellen being an aged Starbuck? Starbuck has to be one of the five, right? How else are you gonna explain her resurrection? If Ellen is from this unknown group of Cylons that ages (like Tighe) then her younger self has to also have been unknown. Somebody would have noticed the Sixes getting older - no? I don't know I hate arguing logic in Science Fiction because in the end the writer's will just twist the reality to fit thier purposes.

[Doogie]

So many people have recommended this show and raved about it and I've yet to see a single episode.

Is it really as thought provoking and intelligent as I've been told, or just more cheesy sci-fi drivel?

Ill say this GVAC...the first two seasons are fucking phenomenal. Well at least I find the first half of season 2 to be great. The other half is a build up to a cliff-hanger ending to the second season. Sub-par to the first half.

However the first half of season 2 sees one of the best plot lines in sci-fi history courtesy of the Battleship Peagusus and Admiral Kane. The first 6-7 episodes of season 3 are great, but the season has a lot of "filler" episodes.

Season 4 just gets right back into the story and away from the menutia. Every episode has a connecting and salient point. Very much worth watching. And the first episode of the 5th season dropped a bombshell on all of us who have watched it thus far.

So in summation, Doogie will rank the seasons on a scale of 5:

Pilot Episode: 5 stars
Season 1: 4 and half

Season 2 (part 1): 4 and half

Season 2 (part 2): 3 stars (and that is generous mainly cause of the way it ends)

Season 3: 2 and half (and that is because the first 7 episodes are phenomenal, but the rest of the season was bunk in my opinion.)

Season4: 4 stars (got right back into following the story)

Season 5: TBD

[brettmojo]

One thing I believe at this point...


1 - I don't think that what they found was Earth. To my recollection of the episode they didn't show any shots of the planet that included any recognizable land masses so that might have been done intentionally. I think it was a Cylon spin-off of Earth founded by human looking Cylons. They established a civilization there and they used Centurions as kinda' a slave labor/second class group off workers or something and they revolted, much like the Cylons did against the humans, and annihilated each other. This would explain Colonel Tigh's wife saying in the vision that they had prepared for what was happening. Maybe they suspected the Centurions would turn against them and a small group of Cylons got together to preserve themselves a.k.a. the final five. This would also explain perhaps why the Cylons were so worried about the Centurions and the fighters having free will and why the Centurions had inhibitors installed in them in the first place.

2 - In their quest to find a new home, I believe they will actually find the actual Earth.

I still don't know what to make of the Starbuck situation.

[HBox]

One thing I believe at this point...


1 - I don't think that what they found was Earth. To my recollection of the episode they didn't show any shots of the planet that included any recognizable land masses so that might have been done intentionally. I think it was a Cylon spin-off of Earth founded by human looking Cylons. They established a civilization there and they used Centurions as kinda' a slave labor/second class group off workers or something and they revolted, much like the Cylons did against the humans, and annihilated each other. This would explain Colonel Tigh's wife saying in the vision that they had prepared for what was happening. Maybe they suspected the Centurions would turn against them and a small group of Cylons got together to preserve themselves a.k.a. the final five. This would also explain perhaps why the Cylons were so worried about the Centurions and the fighters having free will and why the Centurions had inhibitors installed in them in the first place.

2 - In their quest to find a new home, I believe they will actually find the actual Earth.

I still don't know what to make of the Starbuck situation.

I'm pretty sure that when they got there in the last episode of last season you could see North America from space.

[Doctor Manhattan]

So Ellen is the 5th of the Final Five. The Final Five resurrect in a different way, their bodies age and they don't carry their memories like the other Cylons. They may or may not use the resurrection hub to do their resurrection (probably not, since the other Cyclons did not know who they were) but even if they needed the hub to resurrect it doesn't matter since Tigh killed Ellen before the hub was destroyed. Starbuck is the resurrected Ellen and doesn't know it. I guess they don't age in the same way as humans, they must resurrect into a younger body

[EliSnow]

So Ellen is the 5th of the Final Five. The Final Five resurrect in a different way, their bodies age and they don't carry their memories like the other Cylons. They may or may not use the resurrection hub to do their resurrection (probably not, since the other Cyclons did not know who they were) but even if they needed the hub to resurrect it doesn't matter since Tigh killed Ellen before the hub was destroyed. Starbuck is the resurrected Ellen and doesn't know it. I guess they don't age in the same way as humans, they must resurrect into a younger body


If Ellen is an aged starbuck or six, why wouldn't Tigh or Adama have said that Starbuck or Six was the spitting image of a young Ellen, when meeting them?

[brettmojo]

If Ellen is an aged starbuck or six, why wouldn't Tigh or Adama have said that Starbuck or Six was the spitting image of a young Ellen, when meeting them?

Exactly why she isn't.

[Kevin]

It seems like this whole season is going to be humanity circling the tubes faster and faster.

I'm also now tending towards the theory that:

everyone is a cylon



That is exactly what i am thinking

[stinkbud]

I thought Ellen was an aged six ever since Tigh had that thing with Baltar's Six in the cell.

It would explain the attraction he had for her and still leave open Starbuck as the fifth.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, this show has more "HOLY FUCKING SHIT" moments than any other I can remember. Almost every episode.

[Gmann]

Has anyone thought about this....

-There are 12 colonies of humans. Each colony represented by some Zodiac sign/symbol like thing. Its been hinted in the early seasons that each human coming from a diff colony/planet sorta has a slightly diff attitude or religious belief.
-There are 12 Cylon models. Each model so far diff from the other in their attitude and beliefs.
-There is a rumored 13th colony...Earth. Thought to be a legend and thought not to exist.

So who says there isnt a 13th model of Cylon. Thought to never have existed.
::cough coughStarbuckcough cough::


I dunno...I was just mulling this over after watching it the other night.

[EliSnow]

I thought Ellen was an aged six ever since Tigh had that thing with Baltar's Six in the cell.

It would explain the attraction he had for her and still leave open Starbuck as the fifth.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, this show has more "HOLY FUCKING SHIT" moments than any other I can remember. Almost every episode.

The other thing that explains the attraction is that six is a blonde and Tigh was in morning.

But if Ellen is just an aged six, Tigh would have said something in season one when a Six accused Baltar of treason.

[LordJezo]

Okay when the frack did Gaeta become a gay?

Did they allude to that at all during the last 4 seasons or was that just thrown in now for the fun of it?

[LordJezo]

Okay when the frack did Gaeta become a gay?

Did they allude to that at all during the last 4 seasons or was that just thrown in now for the fun of it?

Apparently I have missed all the queer signs for over a year now.

http://www.advocate.com/exclusive_detail_ektid42542.asp

The gays had accepted him as one of their own for quite some time now.

[MisterSmith]

Okay when the frack did Gaeta become a gay?

Did they allude to that at all during the last 4 seasons or was that just thrown in now for the fun of it?

Apparently I have missed all the queer signs for over a year now.

http://www.advocate.com/exclusive_detail_ektid42542.asp

The gays had accepted him as one of their own for quite some time now.

What???

It looked to me like Gaeta was in love with Dualla. There have been all of these furtive glances and pining looks, especially since the relationship trouble between Apollo and Dualla started.

[LordJezo]

What???

It looked to me like Gaeta was in love with Dualla. There have been all of these furtive glances and pining looks, especially since the relationship trouble between Apollo and Dualla started.

Watch the webisode thing. Starts with a mankiss and then talks about how everyone in the crew has been betting that him and his boy would hook up ages ago. Guess he is full blown now.

[Furtherman]

Ellen = Aged Six. Has to be.

Yea, there is something to that. Not quite sure how it all fits together though.

Is it really as thought provoking and intelligent as I've been told,

YES.




Because Ellen was the Fifth, do you think Tigh has to go back to New Caprica and dig her up? Although the reborn in Starbuck is a good idea.

All this has happened before.

[EliSnow]

Yea, there is something to that. Not quite sure how it all fits together though.


How can there be something to that? First, if Ellen was an aged Six than Tigh should have recognized Six as the splitting image of a younger Ellen when he met a Six model in the first season. He didn't.

Second, it appears that only the last five cylons age. Six is not one of the Five and therefore should not be able to age.

[oldladyfacepuncher]

All this has happened before.

And all this will happen again. Earth gets wiped out and the survivors go looking for the other 12, and find it. The 12 get destroyed and go looking for Earth, and find it.

We still don't know who wiped out Earth. The 13th human colony could still be out there.

How can there be something to that? First, if Ellen was an aged Six than Tigh should have recognized Six as the splitting image of a younger Ellen when he met a Six model in the first season. He didn't.

Second, it appears that only the last five cylons age. Six is not one of the Five and therefore should not be able to age.

I don't think she's six etiher, because it just doesn't fit with the writers' MO. It's just too easy. Sometihng else has to come out of Helen being a cylon.

Thinking about all the possibililties, I'm really looking foward to the new series. At first, I didn't think there'd be much of a point to it, but there's so much that has had to happen to get us to this point that we're still not going know when this series is over.

[EliSnow]

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6586/tighmeuptighmedownsaulefl7.jpg

[Doctor Manhattan]

Well, if Starbuck is not young Ellen Tigh, then was the body that Kara found a plant or something?

And if her skin was all burned up, why not her hair as well?

[brettmojo]

Well, if Starbuck is not young Ellen Tigh, then was the body that Kara found a plant or something?

And if her skin was all burned up, why not her hair as well?
She wasn't burned... She was decaying. She died in the crash and was just stuck in the cockpit rotting.

Imagine finding yourself like that.

Hair decays slower than flesh. It's made from the same basic stuff as your toe nails.

[STC-Dub]

I have to admit I have no clue where this story line is going.

[Devo37]

i hope they don't do some kind of time travel thing to explain the dead starbuck.

[Drunky McBetidont]

i'm betting starbuck was part of the human fleet that destroyed the cylon "earth" she crashed during the nuke party. i don'y know why she is back unless the gods needed her to get things right for a future where cylon and human coexist.

[Devo37]

jesus, the fleet is going to sh!t!!! i don't like where this is leading.

[brettmojo]

And the downward spiral continues.

Gaeda is a real cunt.

[Devo37]

And the downward spiral continues.

Gaeda is a real cunt.

Gaeta's gonna be the hero in the end. he was the inside man on new caprica that helped the resistance, and now he's gonna be the leader against an alliance with the cylons.

[HBox]

I'm pretty sure that my eventual death will be me taking a drill to my skull trying to get that horrid sex scene out of my heard.

[STC-Dub]

On the bright side you have the whole peg legged gay guy leading a mutiny, that is always fun.

[Kevin]

I don't know about you guys, but that gvac is a cylon tag, gets me all the time.

[Sinestro]

he was the inside man on new caprica that helped the resistance,


I haven't seen the episodes since after they left New Caprica and the Five trying to figure out what they are. (I don't remember what season I stopped at). Did it ever come out that he was the inside man on New Caprica? Watching some of the episode on Hula of the current season, I was surprised he lost his leg. I saw a glimpe that he got shot but what were the circumstances What happened? Do people trust Gaeta? I see he seems to be leading another resistance again and has people.

[STC-Dub]

It was revealed he was the Resistance contact. He got shot in the leg by Anders when Kara was captaining a ship searching for Earth and they tried to relieve Kara of command -- you will have to watch season 4 to see all that was going on. but it looks like Geata has a lot of pull with the lower ranking crew members.

[Devo37]

I haven't seen the episodes since after they left New Caprica and the Five trying to figure out what they are. (I don't remember what season I stopped at). Did it ever come out that he was the inside man on New Caprica? Watching some of the episode on Hula of the current season, I was surprised he lost his leg. I saw a glimpe that he got shot but what were the circumstances What happened? Do people trust Gaeta? I see he seems to be leading another resistance again and has people.

to expand on what STC said, after they got off New Caprica, there was a secret group that rounded up various people and tried them for crimes committed on New Caprica. Gaeta was accused of aiding the cylons and was about to be put out the airlock, but he proved that he was the inside-source, so his life was spared. eventually, Roslin declared a blanket-pardon for anything done on New Caprica, so the trials ended.

as for his leg, he got shot during a mutiny on the ship that was looking for earth, and there wasn't a doctor on board to treat him. by the time they got back to the fleet, his leg had to be amputated.

[STC-Dub]

Thanks buddy, I got in a hurry and could not go more into detail.

[Sinestro]

Why did the president's assistant put Callie through an air vac. From the "as seen on last episode" it was because Callie found out she was a Cylon. And does Callie's husband know what happened, did he do anything if he found out? Or do Cylons stick together.

sorry for all the questions. Hulu doesn't have all the episodes.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Why did the president's assistant put Callie through an air vac. From the "as seen on last episode" it was because Callie found out she was a Cylon. And does Callie's husband know what happened, did he do anything if he found out? Or do Cylons stick together.

sorry for all the questions. Hulu doesn't have all the episodes.

Chief Tyrol does not know that Torrie airlocked Cally. His belief was that Cally committed suicide. Cally's main intent in the episode WAS to commit suicde, but she was going to kill herself and the baby. Torrie took the baby and then knocked out Cally and then airlocked her.

The Cylons most certainly do not stick together. It appears that Torrie is on the Cylon side, Tigh is on the Colonial side, Tyrol plays the middle, and Anders is still unsure.

I really don't like the plot point that Cally cheated on Tyrol, but it makes sense that Hot Dog is the father. But as the Cally-gets-killed episode proved, Cally was mentally unstable. So it is possible that she cheated on the Chief with Hot Dog.

[STC-Dub]

They had to do something to make Hera the only hybrid, I was starting to wonder why none of the cylon's ever said anything about Tyrol's kid. Then again, why didn't they? They knew he had a son and he was a cylon, that is a pretty big plot mess right there if you ask me.

[HBox]

They had to do something to make Hera the only hybrid, I was starting to wonder why none of the cylon's ever said anything about Tyrol's kid. Then again, why didn't they? They knew he had a son and he was a cylon, that is a pretty big plot mess right there if you ask me.

They kept Hera a secret, and the first person they'd go to after finding out about Tyrol's kid would have told them the truth.

[Furtherman]

Gaeta's gonna be the hero in the end. he was the inside man on new caprica that helped the resistance, and now he's gonna be the leader against an alliance with the cylons.

True, but if you watched the webisodes you'd see that Gaeta isn't all the hero you may think he is and that one of the reason he's stirring shit up is that he is trying to hide his own guilt.



And how about HOT DOG!

Poor Chief. If he didn't have bad luck he wouldn't have any luck at all.

[STC-Dub]

They kept Hera a secret, and the first person they'd go to after finding out about Tyrol's kid would have told them the truth.

The doctor wouldn't even tell the Chief. I am just saying that no one ever even mentioning that the Chief's kid was a hybrid was just strange when there was a good deal of time between his being identified as a cylon and now.

[MisterSmith]

Anybody else dislike Starbuck as much as I do? She is just a complete a-hole.

To be fair, I haven't liked her much since she returned from Caprica with the arrow. It started on a downward slide and she has become more and more of a jerk.


And I think Starbuck is "The Destroyer" or "Death Bringer" (or whatever) because she is the one who lead the fleet to Earth - and since they found out it is a radioactive wasteland, the fleet has started to tear itself apart. Thus the destruction of humanity.

[brettmojo]

I seriously don't know if I can take anymore.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I seriously don't know if I can take anymore.

This episode has been so depressing it makes me wish for the "blood in the main vein" discussion.

[Tenbatsuzen]

BTW, does anyone else get Seelix and Racetrack confused?

Who was the hot chick in purple who saw Larry get whacked?


OK, Kara kissing Lee = makes things better. I sounded like a fangirl just then.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Michael Hogan is awesome when hesays "YOU SON OF A BITCH!"

[Tenbatsuzen]

Hey! Look! It's Gaius!

[STC-Dub]

I am starting to think there wil not be a happy ending to this show for some reason.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I am starting to think there wil not be a happy ending to this show for some reason.

Whatever gave you that idea? I fully expect this to end with everyone hooking up and everyone happy on New Earth.

[Furtherman]

BTW, does anyone else get Seelix and Racetrack confused?

Who was the hot chick in purple who saw Larry get whacked?

I've always been a fan of Seelix and Racetrack so I don't confuse them - I was taken back a bit by their heelturns against Adama.

And Adama? A day of reckoning! The fist is going to come down hard. I don't see Felix surviving this.

The chick in purple was the woman who whisked Gaius away after his trail. She was in the courtroom and brought her sick son to see Gaius.

[Furtherman]

Check this out.

This Battlestarwiki page has text of what the hybrids have said. (http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Hybrid_utterances)

Look at the First Hybrid, which we saw in Razor.

Everything he said has come true.

At last, they’ve come for me. I feel their lives, their destinies spilling out before me. The denial of the one true path, played out on a world not their own, will end soon enough. Soon there will be four, glorious in awakening, struggling with the knowledge of their true selves. The pain of revelation bringing new clarity and in the midst of confusion, he will find her. Enemies brought together by impossible longing. Enemies now joined as one. The way forward at once unthinkable, yet inevitable. And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering. I can see them all. The seven, now six[4], self-described machines who believe themselves without sin. But in time, it is sin that will consume them. They will know enmity, bitterness, the wrenching agony of the one splintering into many. And then, they will join at the promised land, gathered on the wings of an angel. Not an end, but a beginning.

[Devo37]

HOLY SH!T, THEY JUST EXECUTED THE ENTIRE QUORUM!!!!!!! :ohmy:

[brettmojo]

Phew.

[furie]

that was a nice moment at the end, with baltar and geta

[Devo37]

poor Felix. :sad:

[Judge Smails]

poor Felix. :sad:



Hey, at least his stump finally stopped itching. So, he has that going for him.

[STC-Dub]

I think I would rather have the itchy stump though.

[STC-Dub]

Can't wait to see how they bring back the final cylon.

[Devo37]

[Radio Psychic][Radio Psychic] the execution squad fired their shots into the launch-tube wall. Gaeta & Zarek get sent to the brig.

[HBox]

Can't wait to see how they bring back the final cylon.

If you really can't wait watch the preview.

[STC-Dub]

You think so? Or is there insider information? I could see one but not both.

[Devo37]

Can't wait to see how they bring back the final cylon.

the preview for next week shows Ellen in the resurrection bath thing, but where would the Ellen body come from??? have the final 5 been boxed this whole time with a few of each model on standby on the base ships? and we still know nothing about how the final 5 are different from the others. someone's got some splainin' to do...

[Judge Smails]

the preview for next week shows Ellen in the resurrection bath thing, but where would the Ellen body come from??? have the final 5 been boxed this whole time with a few of each model on standby on the base ships? and we still know nothing about how the final 5 are different from the others. someone's got some splainin' to do...



I'll say this - a lot of times when they seem to give away a major plot point in the preview it turns out to be a dream sequence or a red herring of some sort. Remember when Deanna outed Roslyn as being one of the final five? So, I don't know where the tub would be - didn't they blow up the ressurection ship?

[Devo37]

I'll say this - a lot of times when they seem to give away a major plot point in the preview it turns out to be a dream sequence or a red herring of some sort. Remember when Deanna outed Roslyn as being one of the final five? So, I don't know where the tub would be - didn't they blow up the ressurection ship?

they have the tubs on the base ships. there have been several resurrections on the base ships (not sure how the resurrection ship actually figured into the whole thing. did they ship the shell body from the resurrection ship to the base ship? who knows.)

f'n previews are terrible. i turn my face away during the opening credits when they show the quick clips of the episode we're about to see. i was worried that last week's preview of the ol' man with the blindfold on facing the firing squad was gonna be the end of tonight's episode, but thankfully that wasn't the case.


STC - no inside info. just hoping that Gaeta's & Zarek's stories don't get such abrupt endings.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Wait. Why the hell would Adama spare Zarek OR Gaeta?

Gaeta was ready to kill Adama, and it would have been carried out of the Adama Swat Team hadn't gotten to the tube first.

Zarek is DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for the murders of 12 people - 11 quorum members plus Larry.

Then again, Kelly is still alive and he killed one of Baltar's lawyers.


Did they cut out the final resolution with Romo, Kara, and Anders? The last scene I saw was Romo having a change of heart and helping Kara, but they never finished that up.

I'm guessing Anders is going to be alive but paralyzed or something.

i really liked the Rocky 2 style march of Adama towards the CIC.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Wait. Why the hell would Adama spare Zarek OR Gaeta?

Gaeta was ready to kill Adama, and it would have been carried out of the Adama Swat Team hadn't gotten to the tube first.

The only reason I see it because so few humans are left. I would have executed Zarek and spared Gaeta (with dishonorable discharge, court martial, etc) Zarek was directly responsible for the deaths mentioned, Gaeta was not trying to kill people.

Gaeta did have a valid point which Adama's son even mentioned last week; The Cylons virtually wiped out all the humans so it's easy to see why this revolt against the Human/Cylon alliance happened, and how they gained so much support so quickly.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Also:

More brown-haired huge-breasted version of NymphoSix please.

[HBox]

Wait. Why the hell would Adama spare Zarek OR Gaeta?

Gaeta was ready to kill Adama, and it would have been carried out of the Adama Swat Team hadn't gotten to the tube first.

Zarek is DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for the murders of 12 people - 11 quorum members plus Larry.

Then again, Kelly is still alive and he killed one of Baltar's lawyers.


Did they cut out the final resolution with Romo, Kara, and Anders? The last scene I saw was Romo having a change of heart and helping Kara, but they never finished that up.

I'm guessing Anders is going to be alive but paralyzed or something.

i really liked the Rocky 2 style march of Adama towards the CIC.

I just saw the preview they ran on whatever station in Canada runs BG, and Anders looks to be central to next week's episode.

[brettmojo]

Also:

More brown-haired huge-breasted version of NymphoSix please.
I knnooooowwwwww right!?!?!

[Tenbatsuzen]

I knnooooowwwwww right!?!?!

That was one hell of a push-up bra. I know the actress who plays Torrie has got a decent sized rack, and in the darkness, I thought it was her, before they panned up and showed Tricia.

I don't think I've ever seen Tricia look better than in that outfit. (Outside of the Red Dress)

Here's my last question.


After the chief disabled the FTL, he was catching his breath. Then he looked up at the wall which was damaged and said "Oh, no..." or something like that.

What was that about?

[HBox]

That was one hell of a push-up bra. I know the actress who plays Torrie has got a decent sized rack, and in the darkness, I thought it was her, before they panned up and showed Tricia.

I don't think I've ever seen Tricia look better than in that outfit. (Outside of the Red Dress)

Here's my last question.


After the chief disabled the FTL, he was catching his breath. Then he looked up at the wall which was damaged and said "Oh, no..." or something like that.

What was that about?

From the look of it and the sound I think it's stress fractures and metal fatigue. I'm guessing that this is a plot device: the Galactica can't jump anymore until massive repairs are done, keeping them nice and close to Earth for a while.

[brettmojo]

After the chief disabled the FTL, he was catching his breath. Then he looked up at the wall which was damaged and said "Oh, no..." or something like that.

What was that about?
I think it's gonna' mean maybe that they won't be able to jump anymore perhaps? Maybe the strain or lack of upkeep on the ship has taken it's toll.

From the look of it and the sound I think it's stress fractures and metal fatigue. I'm guessing that this is a plot device: the Galactica can't jump anymore until massive repairs are done, keeping them nice and close to Earth for a while.

Whoa jinx.

[Judge Smails]

I've got a crazy conspiracy theory: Maybe it's sabotage from the Cylon crews that went through updating the FTL Drive. Maybe there are rebel Cylons who aren't happy with the alliance either. Wouldn't it be a kick in the stump if it turned out that Gaeta was right afterall?

[HBox]

I've got a crazy conspiracy theory: Maybe it's sabotage from the Cylon crews that went through updating the FTL Drive. Maybe there are rebel Cylons who aren't happy with the alliance either. Wouldn't it be a kick in the stump if it turned out that Gaeta was right afterall?

Did they ever start doing that?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Did they ever start doing that?

The rebellion started in the first place because crews were boarding, but I don't think any ship has actually jumped with the cylon tech.

One thing's for the sure... even though it was obvious CGI, that was the first time we ever saw a jump drive, and that thing was scary as shit, machinery-wise.

[oldladyfacepuncher]

The rebellion started in the first place because crews were boarding, but I don't think any ship has actually jumped with the cylon tech.

One thing's for the sure... even though it was obvious CGI, that was the first time we ever saw a jump drive, and that thing was scary as shit, machinery-wise.

No kidding. I thought for sure the chief was going to lose an arm when he pulled that part out. That's one ef the best things about this show. There's no laser beams, or strobe lighted columns that we're jusst supposed to accept as engines. They use fuel, bullets, and actual tools.

I don't see how Zarek, Gaeta or any soldiers that killed anyone, especially the dummies that shot up the quorum, could be spared. Gaeta, maybe life in the brig, because of what he did on New Caprica. That's still sretching it though, the guy was responsible for a lot of bad shit, and it's not like he'd be useful in any repopulation efforts.

[Tenbatsuzen]

No kidding. I thought for sure the chief was going to lose an arm when he pulled that part out. That's one ef the best things about this show. There's no laser beams, or strobe lighted columns that we're jusst supposed to accept as engines. They use fuel, bullets, and actual tools.

I don't see how Zarek, Gaeta or any soldiers that killed anyone, especially the dummies that shot up the quorum, could be spared. Gaeta, maybe life in the brig, because of what he did on New Caprica. That's still sretching it though, the guy was responsible for a lot of bad shit, and it's not like he'd be useful in any repopulation efforts.

I liked how the motion of the jump drive matched the "jumping" effect, with a 2 waves going back and forth.

[MisterSmith]

I was catching up on some stuff on the BSG site and found out that the new series "Caprica" has been given the green light for a full season.

I am probably really late to the party on this, but the last I heard it was just going to be a 2 hour event that might be a backdoor pilot for a series. good news for fans though. :thumbup:

[stinkbud]

I don't want it to end. I don't I don't I don't!!!

[EliSnow]

The leaders of any coup/failed mutiny essentially have to be executed, especially when numerous people ate killed. The maines that followed Gaeta had to kill a number of people to take over the the ship. Examples need to be made and the leaders are the first to go.

[Devo37]

From the look of it and the sound I think it's stress fractures and metal fatigue. I'm guessing that this is a plot device: the Galactica can't jump anymore until massive repairs are done, keeping them nice and close to Earth for a while.

my first thought was that there was a Centurion on board sabotaging things, but there aren't enough episodes left to waste one hunting a rogue centurion. i read a few reviews that suggested it was metal fatigue "in the heart of Galactica". the ship could literally rip itself apart, much like the heart of the fleet is metaphorically being ripped apart.



I was catching up on some stuff on the BSG site and found out that the new series "Caprica" has been given the green light for a full season.

I am probably really late to the party on this, but the last I heard it was just going to be a 2 hour event that might be a backdoor pilot for a series. good news for fans though. :thumbup:

from the latest i read, "Caprica" may be released on DVD later this year, and may not air on sci-fi until 2010. i'll definitely give it a chance, but i have a bad feeling it will be more of a soap opera than an action/drama. also, from the one preview i've seen, it seemed that humans had invented 'skinjobs' early into the cylon development. maybe it was misleading editing, but it seems that would screw up the continuity of the series if that's the case. we'll see...

[MisterSmith]

from the latest i read, "Caprica" may be released on DVD later this year, and may not air on sci-fi until 2010. i'll definitely give it a chance, but i have a bad feeling it will be more of a soap opera than an action/drama. also, from the one preview i've seen, it seemed that humans had invented 'skinjobs' early into the cylon development. maybe it was misleading editing, but it seems that would screw up the continuity of the series if that's the case. we'll see...


It is likely going to be less action than BSG, but the current series has given me hope that "Caprica" will be good.

And yes, an unrated & uncut version of the pilot is coming out this April then it will air as the series begins in 2010.

And I am trying to figure out the skinjob angle myself. However, I thought I heard Eric Stoltz' say something about creating "Holographic technology" so they might not really be skinjobs but something completely different. And, if they really are the start of the line (like the daughter probably is), as long as the general population doesn't know about them there could still be a massive surprise to the BSG era people since it takes place 50 years after "Caprica."

[STC-Dub]

Supposedly when the resurrection ship was destroyed the cylons lost the ability to be reborn. Unless she was reborn month ago and they are going back in time then it can't work. Then again, she has been dead for a while and it isn't like there is a delay between dieing and rebirth so we might get to see what has happened to Helen the last few months.

[STC-Dub]

the preview for next week shows Ellen in the resurrection bath thing, but where would the Ellen body come from??? have the final 5 been boxed this whole time with a few of each model on standby on the base ships? and we still know nothing about how the final 5 are different from the others. someone's got some splainin' to do...



If they have final five boxed then how could they not know who they were, that does not work. Perhaps the final five are on another older base ship that happens to be around, newer than the one from the original series they destroyed in Pegasus but older than the current ones and has been out of contact with the rest of the cylons. Just a guess but it could work.

[Drunky McBetidont]

this show never dissapoints. catch up on scifirewind at http://www.scifi.com/rewind/.

[STC-Dub]

Gaeta and Zerik aren't coming back: http://scifiwire.com/2009/02/exclusive-battlestar-galacticas-richard-hatch-on-zarek-spoilers.php

[brettmojo]

Gaeta and Zerik aren't coming back: http://scifiwire.com/2009/02/exclusive-battlestar-galacticas-richard-hatch-on-zarek-spoilers.php
Holy shit read the comments on that video. That first one is ridiculous.

[STC-Dub]

I hand't looked at that until you mentioned it. Wow, just wow.:wacko:

[MisterSmith]

I hand't looked at that until you mentioned it. Wow, just wow.:wacko:

Same here. Those comments were interesting to say the least...

[Furtherman]

OK, I'm a little late to the thread, but.... HOLY FRAK that was one of the best BSG episodes ever.

[EliSnow]

So I didn't see any of the webisodes, but did they explain Gaeta's actions more?

I have several theories about why Gaeta did what he did (the leg being the most obvious but just one of the answers), and thought maybe they explored it there.

[Furtherman]

So I didn't see any of the webisodes, but did they explain Gaeta's actions more?

Yes. You should watch them on Scifi.com. You learn a lot about Gaeta and why he betrayed Adama.

[EliSnow]

Yes. You should watch them on Scifi.com. You learn a lot about Gaeta and why he betrayed Adama.

Can you give a high level summary?

[Furtherman]

Can you give a high level summary?

OK - first we find out that Gaeta swings both ways. He's got a boyfriend.

Then, during a Raptor flight that goes awry, we learn through flashbacks that on New Caprica Gaeta was also sleeping with one of the Cylon 8's (Sharon). And that list of people who were executed on New Caprica was put together by Gaeta. He thought he was saving them but the Cylon 8 was actually taking those names and having them executed. So they used Gaeta to kill the humans that would have been helpful to the resistance and humankind overall.

The only one who knew about this was Baltar. Remember last season when Baltar whispered something in Gaeta's ear and Gaeta whet ballistic and stabbed him with a pen? We find out what Baltar whispered. "I know about you and the 8 and your secret" was basically what he said.

So now Gaeta is full of guilt and really, really, really hates the Cylons.

All this happens while the crew of the raptor gets killed off and Gaeta figures out who is doing the killing. It's the 8 who tricked him on New Caprica. Gatea stabs her to death. Quite violently too.

[Freitag]

Can you give a high level summary?

Well, let's see. First the earth cooled. And then the dinosaurs came, but they got too big and fat, so they all died and they turned into oil. And then the Arabs came and they bought Mercedes Benzes. And Prince Charles started wearing all of Lady Di's clothes. I couldn't believe it.

[EliSnow]

OK - first we find out that Gaeta swings both ways. He's got a boyfriend.

Then, during a Raptor flight that goes awry, we learn through flashbacks that on New Caprica Gaeta was also sleeping with one of the Cylon 8's (Sharon). And that list of people who were executed on New Caprica was put together by Gaeta. He thought he was saving them but the Cylon 8 was actually taking those names and having them executed. So they used Gaeta to kill the humans that would have been helpful to the resistance and humankind overall.

The only one who knew about this was Baltar. Remember last season when Baltar whispered something in Gaeta's ear and Gaeta whet ballistic and stabbed him with a pen? We find out what Baltar whispered. "I know about you and the 8 and your secret" was basically what he said.

So now Gaeta is full of guilt and really, really, really hates the Cylons.

All this happens while the crew of the raptor gets killed off and Gaeta figures out who is doing the killing. It's the 8 who tricked him on New Caprica. Gatea stabs her to death. Quite violently too.

It was more than I thought, but it figures in with my theory about Gaeta and his guilt. Gaeta was a good man who seemed to always do the right thing, but the times he did the wrong thing was when he had strong personal feelings of guilt/betrayal. His perjury at Baltar's trial was one of them. He lied about the circumstances surrounding Baltar's signing of the execution order, I thought, because his actions led to Baltar becoming President, and then later he realized that Baltar was not the man he thought he was.

[pittphantoms]

What I dont understand here is how this drove the story forward to a conclusion.

I want a conclusion - and it seems more and more unlikely we will get one.

[Furtherman]

What I dont understand here is how this drove the story forward to a conclusion.

I want a conclusion - and it seems more and more unlikely we will get one.

Are you kidding? There are still 6 episodes left. The series has an end, as it was announced before the season started filming.

[MisterSmith]

What I dont understand here is how this drove the story forward to a conclusion.

I want a conclusion - and it seems more and more unlikely we will get one.

I am sure we will get a conclusion of some kind, but is almost guaranteed to be open ended. For example, they could find a habitable planet, decide that Cylons and Humans have to work together to make a future, and fade to black.

In other words, we will know the general direction they will head in but have almost no details about individual characters or how things will turn out as a whole. Just like we don't know what is going to happen in our own future, the BSG future will be left to fate.

[EliSnow]

I am sure we will get a conclusion of some kind, but is almost guaranteed to be open ended. For example, they could find a habitable planet, decide that Cylons and Humans have to work together to make a future, and fade to black.

In other words, we will know the general direction they will head in but have almost no details about individual characters or how things will turn out as a whole. Just like we don't know what is going to happen in our own future, the BSG future will be left to fate.

No, dammit. We want a conclusion. Everyone must die, and the Cylon and human races must become exinct!

:wink:

[Devo37]

SPOILER ALERT:

i just read the script for the final scene of the series finale. Adama is sitting in a diner. There's a guy in a member's only jacket at the counter looking all fidgety. then 2 hip hop black guys come in, but they don't do anything. meanwhile, starbuck is having trouble parking her viper. then the member's only guy stands up, but he just goes to the bathroom. Roslin and Apollo enter the diner and sit down. Adama orders algae rings for the table.

fin.

[A Pwnasaur]

man i'm just assuming everyone is going to die. only one safe might be apollo, well as long as he stays away from starbuck.

[kdubya]

SPOILER ALERT:

i just read the script for the final scene of the series finale. Adama is sitting in a diner. There's a guy in a member's only jacket at the counter looking all fidgety. then 2 hip hop black guys come in, but they don't do anything. meanwhile, starbuck is having trouble parking her viper. then the member's only guy stands up, but he just goes to the bathroom. Roslin and Apollo enter the diner and sit down. Adama orders algae rings for the table.

fin.



hysterical

[STC-Dub]

SPOILER ALERT:

i just read the script for the final scene of the series finale. Adama is sitting in a diner. There's a guy in a member's only jacket at the counter looking all fidgety. then 2 hip hop black guys come in, but they don't do anything. meanwhile, starbuck is having trouble parking her viper. then the member's only guy stands up, but he just goes to the bathroom. Roslin and Apollo enter the diner and sit down. Adama orders algae rings for the table.

fin.



The alternate script is the new series is all a dream by Loren Green the original Adama though they are having problems getting permission to exhume his body for the episode.

[Doctor Manhattan]

It still bothers me that Adama is pretty forgiving of the Cylons (especially Tigh) but Gaeta cause one little revolution and then he puts his foot down. Geata frakked up by trusting Zarek, the other thing that still bother's me, why would he trust him?

[kdubya]

Adama is an old school navy man and no mater the reason mutiny is punishible by death.

It still bothers me that Adama is pretty forgiving of the Cylons (especially Tigh) but Gaeta cause one little revolution and then he puts his foot down. Geata frakked up by trusting Zarek, the other thing that still bother's me, why would he trust him?

[Tenbatsuzen]

man i'm just assuming everyone is going to die. only one safe might be apollo, well as long as he stays away from starbuck.

I think just the opposite. I think Apollo's a goner.

[kdubya]

Starbuck has to play heavy into the finale. I think that in some way the entire story is about her.

[STC-Dub]

I could see Hera and Tigh's unborn son being the only two who make it alive. But really, I have no clue who if anyone will live. I could see Helen coming back and killing Saul though.

[brettmojo]

I'm just waiting for Bob Newhart to wake up and wonder what the heck "FRAK" means?