The NEW Battlestar Galactica

[kdubya]

I could see Hera and Tigh's unborn son being the only two who make it alive. But really, I have no clue who if anyone will live. I could see Helen coming back and killing Saul though.

Hera was such a big polt point in the middle seasons and has kind of fallen off, I really wonder how she will play into the finale.

[Doogie]

SPOILER ALERT:

i just read the script for the final scene of the series finale. Adama is sitting in a diner. There's a guy in a member's only jacket at the counter looking all fidgety. then 2 hip hop black guys come in, but they don't do anything. meanwhile, starbuck is having trouble parking her viper. then the member's only guy stands up, but he just goes to the bathroom. Roslin and Apollo enter the diner and sit down. Adama orders algae rings for the table.

fin.




Ha!! As I was reading the first line about reading final script, I almost freaked and quoted this telling you to use spoiler tags. Fucking funny...:clap:

[EliSnow]

BTW, how about Roslin's threats after having been told that Adama was dead?

Zarek completely underestimated her, thinking that the information would crush her. After hearing her, he had to be saying "oh frak" and pissing his pants.

[MisterSmith]

Starbuck has to play heavy into the finale. I think that in some way the entire story is about her.

I'm just waiting for Bob Newhart to wake up and wonder what the heck "FRAK" means?

Bastard, ya beat me to the Newhart reference. I was going to say that in the last episode, Katee Sackhoff wakes up next to Suzanne Pleshette and finds out the entire BSG series was a dream.

Or maybe the camera pans back and you see Galactica is actually in a snow glob being held by Tyrol's son... :laugh:

[brettmojo]

Bastard, ya beat me to the Newhart reference. I was going to say that in the last episode, Katee Sackhoff wakes up next to Suzanne Pleshette and finds out the entire BSG series was a dream.

Or maybe the camera pans back and you see Galactica is actually in a snow glob being held by Tyrol's son... :laugh:
I'm pretty sure "FRAK" is the name of Baltar's snow sled when he was a child.

[Tenbatsuzen]

So Cylons aren't Macs?

[STC-Dub]

Anyone else think Starbuck is somehow a Daniel? It makes sense. It would explain her coming back and being artistic. Of course, she a she and not a he.

[HBox]

Anyone else think Starbuck is somehow a Daniel? It makes sense. It would explain her coming back and being artistic. Of course, she a she and not a he.

If it's anyone I say its Baltar.

[Gmann]

Has anyone thought about this....

-There are 12 colonies of humans. Each colony represented by some Zodiac sign/symbol like thing. Its been hinted in the early seasons that each human coming from a diff colony/planet sorta has a slightly diff attitude or religious belief.
-There are 12 Cylon models. Each model so far diff from the other in their attitude and beliefs.
-There is a rumored 13th colony...Earth. Thought to be a legend and thought not to exist.

So who says there isnt a 13th model of Cylon. Thought to never have existed.
::cough coughStarbuckcough cough::


I dunno...I was just mulling this over after watching it the other night.


Just want to re-emphasize my prediction here after watching tonights episode.

[Tenbatsuzen]

My only issue is with last night's episode is why didn't Cavill question why Boomer was in a flight suit?

I knew something was up when that scene was going on. There was no reason for her to be in a flight suit.

[Judge Smails]

My nitpick is about the PC Guy: If you have a brain surgery specialist, why wouldn't he be stationed full-time on the flagship rather than risking his life among the rag-tag fugitive fleet?

[HBox]

My only issue is with last night's episode is why didn't Cavill question why Boomer was in a flight suit?

I knew something was up when that scene was going on. There was no reason for her to be in a flight suit.

He was so obsessed with Ellen that he wasn't paying attention to anything else, another "human" trait. I need to watch that scene again but I don't think he looked at Boomer once that whole scene.

[brettmojo]

Daniel = Starbuck's father?

I wonder how Ellen will take Saul knocking up a Six. Hopefully she didn't make the Sixes in the image of their daughter. That'd be what I call a sticky situation.

That would explain the similar looks though.

[Tenbatsuzen]

My nitpick is about the PC Guy: If you have a brain surgery specialist, why wouldn't he be stationed full-time on the flagship rather than risking his life among the rag-tag fugitive fleet?

Other ships may be nicer to live on than Galactica. I mean, would you rather live on Colonial One or Galactica? Cloud 9 or Galactica?

Well, Cloud 9 before... you know...

[Tenbatsuzen]

If it's anyone I say its Baltar.

Zak Adama.

[oldladyfacepuncher]

So Cylons aren't Macs?

That and the Seinfeld reference took me out of the story for a little bit.

[STC-Dub]

Daniel = Starbuck's father?

I wonder how Ellen will take Saul knocking up a Six. Hopefully she didn't make the Sixes in the image of their daughter. That'd be what I call a sticky situation.

That would explain the similar looks though.

Wow, that never even occurred to me. Maybe they will get a cute little centurion baby through the incest.

[STC-Dub]

I didn't notice that Boomer was in a flight suit either. My problem was if Cavil wanted the secret of resurrection why would the cylons be shooting at the Raptor? Unless, it was a ruse because he actually believes that Helen needs the others and thinks she can somehow find them so let the Raptor escape and places some sort of tracking device on it.

[Trailerparkhero]

Wow, that never even occurred to me. Maybe they will get a cute little centurion baby through the incest.

I was thinking that two cylons can't mate, thats the whole reason for resurrection. I'm probably missing something that was said or shown about the final five being able to have kids.

[oldladyfacepuncher]

The five were from earth where they were able to procreate, but when they set out to look for the other colonies they didn't have FTL drives so they recreated reseruction (which they must've had to find Earth in the first place before they were skin-jobs) in order to make the 1000 year trip. I think the 5 have always been able to have kids.

[STC-Dub]

I was thinking that two cylons can't mate, thats the whole reason for resurrection. I'm probably missing something that was said or shown about the final five being able to have kids.

Tight got Six pregnent.

[Furtherman]

Wow I'm going to have to watch it again. I might have a little too much at Joe's Bar but I guessed everything Anders said explained the whole cycle of the human-cylon conflict.

[Furtherman]

Ok, this article explains all what Anders said.

Battlestar Galactica Gives Full-Frontal Exposition (http://io9.com/5154008/battlestar-galactica-gives-full+frontal-exposition?skyline=true&s=x)

And it's still a lot, but maybe some of these events will be shown in the new BSG movie special that'll air after the finale.

It turns out the final five worked together at a company on Earth where Ellen rediscovers the ancient cylon technology of resurrection. Apparently the tech had been forgotten on Earth because cylons could reproduce naturally, but Ellen and her crew are worried about an apocalypse (which they hear about from some creatures nobody can see except them - though the apocalypse itself is still never explained) and so they set up a way to download themselves to a Resurrection Ship when Earth nukes itself. OK, that helps explain the Earth backstory.

Then things get even weirder. It turns out that the Final Five spent centuries traveling across the galaxy to find the twelve colonies and warn them to treat their AIs well or they'd be the victims of a terrible cylon uprising. When they arrive, the centurion rebellion has already happened and the five strike a bargain with the centurions to prevent more bloodshed. They'll create 8 humanoid cylon models for the centurions, which turn out to be the skinjobs we know and love (minus a new, mysterious Number Seven called Daniel who was a "sensitive artist"). Apparently the centurions, like the final five, believe in "one true God" who created humans in his image. To honor this God, they want nothing more than brethren who look like the God-created humans they've been murdering. (Um, yeah.)

At this point, Anders' exposition in the episode is intercut with even more exposition from an Ellen model who has been awakened from the goo by Cavil. It turns out that Cavil was the first humanoid model Ellen created for the centurions, and he has some serious mommy issues with her. (Having sex with her back on New Caprica is just the tip of the iceberg for our freaky Oedipal skinjob.) As you can see in the clip above, Cavil is angry that Ellen imposed her idea of God on his body. He wants to be a machine, to fully embrace his identity as a non-human. Plus, he's angry that Ellen made him in the image of her father John (she calls him John, too). And he's jealous of Ellen's other cylon children, particularly Daniel, whom he destroyed long ago.

In many ways, this episode turned Cavil into the Big Bad of the series, which rang false. Apparently Cavil grew so enraged at Ellen and the rest of the Final Five that he had their memories erased and dropped them onto Caprica so that they could learn a lesson about how lame these allegedly God-made humans are. (This BARELY makes sense, given Tigh's long history with Adama - one is still left wondering how the Final Five were dropped to Caprica at different points.) It also seems as if Cavil erased memories of the Final Five from all the skinjob models except his own.

What this means is that the destruction of the colonies, the cylon slave uprising, and the whole cylon vendetta against the humans, is basically the result of an atheist son being pissed at the way his religious mother imposed her beliefs on him. We've gone from justifying the cylon's bloody war with a (somewhat understandable) quest for vengeance to justifying it by saying it was all the result of a sadistic, power-hungry mama's boy mindwiping everybody and turning them into his war puppets.

[Furtherman]

Finale news...

As expected, Battlestar Galactica's final episode will be three hours long, after the Sci Fi Channel gave Ron Moore and crew as much time as they needed to tell the story. The first hour of the finale will air on March 13 at the usual time of 10 PM, but the last two hours will air the following Friday, March 20, starting at 9 PM. Or if you want to watch the whole thing in one go, the first hour will repeat on March 20 at 8 PM.

[brettmojo]

Finale news...
Fraking sweet.

[MisterSmith]

Fraking sweet.

Seriously. I was somewhat concerned how they were going to wrap things up in the remaining time alloted, but I am not quite as concerned now.


***And on a side note, anybody think that Starbuck may actually be Daniel in stead of his daughter? She is artistic and emotional, and has very male sensibilities. Starbuck has also been tied into getting humanity back to Earth following some kind of internal pull as well as having been "reborn" in some way after crashing on Earth (maybe in the same facility the final five used during the apocolypse?).

Could Daniel have been brought back as a female as a way to hide his identity from Cavil and ensure that the model did not disappear entirely?

[STC-Dub]

Anyone else think Starbuck is somehow a Daniel? It makes sense. It would explain her coming back and being artistic. Of course, she a she and not a he.

Yeah, I had that thought.

[STC-Dub]

Like the three hour finale but not the 2 nights. Doesn't that make it a 2 hour finale?

[MisterSmith]

Yeah, I had that thought.

Oops - missed your post. No offense meant Budday.

Good call though. :thumbup:

[STC-Dub]

No problem, I don't always read all the posts either and often ignore myself.

[stinkbud]

one thing that bugged me since starbuck founed her chasrred body...

she came back with the exact same body art.

Maybe Daniel (or Danielle) was tatted?

[pittphantoms]

it would also make sense that Starbuck is the Harbinger of Death - but to the Cylons not to Humans...

Maybe she is why there was a nuking of Earth

[HBox]

A thought I had last night:

That secret colony Ellen mentioned? I think it's what caused the 4 Cylons to hear that music that awakened them and that is how they will find it.

[STC-Dub]

Interesting theory but that would require some back tracking and if they are looking few a new home that is not likely. The again who knows?

[Trailerparkhero]

one thing that bugged me since starbuck founed her chasrred body...

she came back with the exact same body art.

Maybe Daniel (or Danielle) was tatted?

She also came back in a new viper

[EliSnow]

One plotline that has always bothered me... When Cloud 9 blew up, how did Gina get possession of the nuke? Did Baltar freely give it to her, or did she take it from him?

Because if anything about being complicit with the Cylons, that would have been a slam-dunk. I'm surprised it wasn't brought up in the trial or even mentioned again.

Also, when it came to the election, I would thought it would be more ironic that Roslin actually won the election but she quit because of the scandal.

The ep that introduced the group that wanted the colonists to reach out to the Cylons ended with the second in command of that group bringing the nuke to the Brown Haired Six saying it was a gift from Baltar.

[EliSnow]

Also, presumably it wasn't brought up at the trial becaus there was no one around to testify about it.

Gina wouldn't testify about it. And her second in command was the only one else who knew. Presumably Gina killed him or he died in some other fashion afterwards, or he didn't feel like exposing the fact.

[STC-Dub]

I remember Baltar bringinthe bomb to the SIx. I guess I am rememberig incorrectly, but I could have sworn that Baltar delivered it himself.

[Furtherman]

I remember Baltar bringinthe bomb to the SIx. I guess I am rememberig incorrectly, but I could have sworn that Baltar delivered it himself.

He had it delivered. Although that may have been shown in one of the deleted scenes.

[MisterSmith]

I remember Baltar bringinthe bomb to the SIx. I guess I am rememberig incorrectly, but I could have sworn that Baltar delivered it himself.

I remember that Baltar slept with Six the night before she detonated the bomb, but I believe the nuke was already in her possession. You are making me second guess things though. I am going to have to track down that episode and watch again.

[EliSnow]

I remember Baltar bringinthe bomb to the SIx. I guess I am rememberig incorrectly, but I could have sworn that Baltar delivered it himself.

He had it delivered. Although that may have been shown in one of the deleted scenes.

Nope. Baltar gave it to the guy who was put in the brig by Adama and Roslin. When he was released they showed, Baltar talking to the guy.

They then showed the guy arriving in Gina's room with the package. Gina opened it and both had their fear/suprise faces on when they saw it was a nuke.

[brettmojo]

I don't get saying Starbuck is artistic. I've seen those finger paintings of hers and they suck.

[EliSnow]

Idiocy or not? I'll let you decide.

Apparently, Universal Pictures is thinking of making Battlestar Galactica into a movie. (http://movies.ign.com/articles/953/953459p1.html) And I mean the old series. Not the one currently on television and getting popular ratings and critical review.

Now, I don't oppose this move based on my love for the current series and apathy for the old. It just doesn't make sense from a practical perspective. You already have one remake going on right now. And in two years or so, you'll have another different remake?

I would think they would want to give it some time to disassociate the two.

[brettmojo]

Idiocy or not? I'll let you decide.

Apparently, Universal Pictures is thinking of making Battlestar Galactica into a movie. (http://movies.ign.com/articles/953/953459p1.html) And I mean the old series. Not the one currently on television and getting popular ratings and critical review.

Now, I don't oppose this move based on my love for the current series and apathy for the old. It just doesn't make sense from a practical perspective. You already have one remake going on right now. And in two years or so, you'll have another different remake?

I would think they would want to give it some time to disassociate the two.
They've also been talking about making a sequel to the movie Stargate and completely ignoring both television series based upon that movie. The original of which ran for over 10 years and a third one is in the works as well. It's lame.

[STC-Dub]

I don't know, I am looking forward to CGI Lorne Green. I have no clue what logic studios use but I do know that continuity of story lines in not something they worry about often. I think it is a bad idea but all that matters to them is if it can make money.

[brettmojo]

Oh boy, this is gonna' be awkward.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Oh boy, this is gonna' be awkward.

How many dead chicks are out there?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Boy, this was a filler episode. Awful.

[brettmojo]

Boy, this was a filler episode. Awful.
The only thing that really happened was Tigh's kid croaking in the womb.

How many fucking times could Adama go watch the Cylons frosting Galactica with that ooze?

Reminded me of Ghostbusters II.

[STC-Dub]

Yeah, not a good episode. Kind of getting tired of seeing Adama get drunk every episode too.

[STC-Dub]

I had a thought about Starbuck. If she was an actual cylon they would have found that out when she went back for Anders and was put in the hospital. She could, in theory, still be a hybrid, but I do not think she is a full cylon. I guess we will find out next week anyway.

[Freitag]

FYI, Bulldog's first name is Daniel.

Would explain some things.

[EliSnow]

I had a thought about Starbuck. If she was an actual cylon they would have found that out when she went back for Anders and was put in the hospital. She could, in theory, still be a hybrid, but I do not think she is a full cylon. I guess we will find out next week anyway.

Have they ever been able to figure out how to detect a Cylon?

I mean, yes, Baltar's test said Boomer was one, but he clearly didn't figure out the rest.

[Doogie]

FYI, Bulldog's first name is Daniel.

Would explain some things.

Who the hell was bulldog again?? I am drawing a complete blank.

Edit: I also think that last episode that came out was a complete filler episode. Shame too cause every episode this season was great thus far.

Then again I feel like the entire 3rd season was filler with the exception of escaping New Caprica, the exploding star and the final episode (of season 3).

Yet I have high confidence that the last few episodes will be great...just hate the filler shit.

[Furtherman]

I guess they felt they had to shake off all of Ellen's previous behavior and how it would effect the final five. Yea, it was weakest episode this season, but I'm optimistic about the last four!

[MisterSmith]

I think, think, that maybe they were trying to reinforce that the Cylons are just like humans and that neither race is really different from the other. Each group is dealing with all of the same issues but ignoring that the other is doing it too.

It was probably the weakest episode of the season, but they also have to try to fill the gap between the two races somehow before the last few episodes air.

[Furtherman]

I think, think, that maybe they were trying to reinforce that the Cylons are just like humans and that neither race is really different from the other. Each group is dealing with all of the same issues but ignoring that the other is doing it too.

It was probably the weakest episode of the season, but they also have to try to fill the gap between the two races somehow before the last few episodes air.

That is an excellent point. Envy, jealousy, rage... they're suffering from all the deadly sins just like humans do. You think they could have programmed that crap out?

[EliSnow]

That is an excellent point. Envy, jealousy, rage... they're suffering from all the deadly sins just like humans do. You think they could have programmed that crap out?

Then would they have free will?

Ellen made that point to John a couple of weeks ago when he complained about the faults they programmed him with.

[MisterSmith]

Then would they have free will?

Ellen made that point to John a couple of weeks ago when he complained about the faults they programmed him with.

That is something that has been bugging me - why not find a way to upload into a machine body? If they have the technology to upload consciousness, why couldn't they find a way to put that consciousness into a non-humanoid container? Instead of being angry and pouting, why not put resources and effort into solving the problem instead of just bitching about it?

It is decidedly human to just complain about your lot and not try to do something about it. If John really wanted to be more logical and machine-like wouldn't he be trying to come up with a logical solution to his "problem" rather than throw a series of temper tantrums?

[Drunky McBetidont]

wtf? how long does it take scifi rewind to post an episode? eat a dick, fuckheads.

[STC-Dub]

It seems like John is the only one who want to be an actual machine.

[STC-Dub]

I am drawing a blank on Bulldog too.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I am drawing a blank on Bulldog too.

The guy from Alias who escaped from the Cylons in a raider. The only black dude in BSG besides Simon.

[Furtherman]

FYI, Bulldog's first name is Daniel.

Would explain some things.

The guy from Alias who escaped from the Cylons in a raider. The only black dude in BSG besides Simon.

They showed Bulldog in the last episode??? I missed that completely! I only remember him from the episode in which he escaped but I didn't think they ever showed him again. What did he do in the last episode?

[Furtherman]

Here is a more positive review of last week's episode.

And the article makes some good points, enough for me to realize that it wasn't as bad as I thought it was.

It's Cylon Family Dysfunction on Battlestar Galactica (http://io9.com/5158485/its-cylon-family-dysfunction-on-battlestar-galactica)

What "Deadlock" did best, however, was show us how petty failings like greed and jealousy always return to muck up grand plans for the two races. Ellen votes to segregate human from cylon simply to twist the knife in Tigh's back, not because she really thinks it's what's best for the Fleet. And Baltar offers his "human solution" to the problems of the Galactica simply because he'd rather hog the spotlight than be a follower.

Will the cylons and humans rise above their family bickering to steer their people into a better future? Or will the series end like a certain Greek tragedy where a mother sleeps with her son, just the way the Final Five keep sleeping with the cylons they spawned? We only have four episodes left to find out.


By the way, I did a search for this thread and there is a SciFi to remake Battlestar thread back in 2003.

It was negative and I chuckled how everyone was wrong.

[STC-Dub]

Man, I completely forgot about him and did not catch his name last week.

[Tenbatsuzen]

ahaha... RDM promised "felgercarb" - the BSGuniverse word for "bullshit" - would make it into the show...

and it was the name of the toothpaste. Awesome.

[Doogie]

Its better than last weeks episode thus far, but it still is feeling like a "filler" episode. We will see where it goes.

I like the fact that cylons are accepting their positions in the fleet, and working within it as well. Now the question in the last few episodes is what will Baltar's people play with the end coming up and the fact that the people are now armed??

[brettmojo]

Its better than last weeks episode thus far, but it still is feeling like a "filler" episode.
Yup.

[Doogie]

Yup.

Wait a minute...I think that dude on the piano is her father. And her father is the missing cylon.

I could be wrong by the end of the episode but this is my record in case it is fact.

[brettmojo]

Wait a minute...I think that dude on the piano is her father. And her father is the missing cylon.

I could be wrong by the end of the episode but this is my record in case it is fact.
I already called her father was Daniel a few pages ago.

I think the song that she's talking about is the song that the final 5 heard.

[HBox]

Wait a minute...I think that dude on the piano is her father. And her father is the missing cylon.

I could be wrong by the end of the episode but this is my record in case it is fact.

That seems so obvious at this point that I don't think that's where they are going. At least I hope not. I thought from the second piano man was revealed that he was Daniel. I was hoping they'd just leave it and not have anyone be Daniel.

[Doogie]

Holy shit...that Boomer is pure evil. I think I need to wash my pants...ha ha ha. I love how twisted that bitch is.

:clap:

[brettmojo]

Boomer fucking in the bathroom just made this episode worth it.

YES!!! IT'S THE SONG!!!

[Doogie]

Wow...I totally take back what I said halfway through this episode. This one was fucking fantastic. And I liked the almost 6th sense type of conclusion between Starbuck and her father. Wow. Great fucking episode!!!

[Tenbatsuzen]

First half of the episode blew on first viewing, but the second half made up for it. I think on a second viewing, the first half makes a lot more sense.

[STC-Dub]

Wow, Boomer is a royal bitch.

[STC-Dub]

Great fraking episode. The beginning seemed a little slow but the second half was amazing. It looks like next week they kill off Galactica.

[MisterSmith]

Son

of

a

Bitch!!!

That was a great episode! And I will freely admit that I completely missed the queues pointing to the song being what it was until they started playing it. As soon as I realized, I literally yelled "No way!"

I still think Starbuck might be the bastardized "reincarnation" of Daniel, but the daughter angle also could make sense at this point.

And Boomer is completely heartless. I thought they were going with Boomer trying to create her dream in real life, but
Taking Hera to Cavil is fraking devious.

I am soooo looking forward to next weeks episode.

[pittphantoms]

I thought the revelation of cylon projection was by far the most important thing we learned in the episode. It basically says Baltar HAS to be cylon as well.

[STC-Dub]

I hadn't thought of that. Not sure I agree but it does make sense.

[pittphantoms]

It explains to me WHY the scene from the pilot on Caprica when the nuke hits and six is protecting Baltar is in the opening still... and why Kara was projecting her dad - who I am almost 100% sure is Daniel

[Furtherman]

Check this out... Richard Hatch's attempt to bring back BSG in 1999...

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[EliSnow]

I thought the revelation of cylon projection was by far the most important thing we learned in the episode. It basically says Baltar HAS to be cylon as well.

We've known about Cylon projection since season 3. Baltar thought that he must be a Cylon because of the projection thing, but they ruled him out.

[STC-Dub]

Check this out... Richard Hatch's attempt to bring back BSG in 1999...

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Wow, ummm, that was great? They must have spent hundreds on the CGI.

[Doogie]

My brother mentioned something about the song that Starbucks father was playing in the beginning. He said that song he was playing was the theme to the original Galactica.

[brettmojo]

My brother mentioned something about the song that Starbucks father was playing in the beginning. He said that song he was playing was the theme to the original Galactica.
I don't think it was, but I'd have to hear it again. They played the original theme in it's original form before during the story when Diana was doing the news report on the people of Galactica or whatever before it was revealed she was a Cylon.

[kdubya]

I just rewatched the mini-series. Does anyone know if the writers the entire run planed out from day one? There are things in the mini-series I precieved as little indications of things to come, but I may be reading too much into it.

[EliSnow]

I don't think it was, but I'd have to hear it again. They played the original theme in it's original form before during the story when Diana was doing the news report on the people of Galactica or whatever before it was revealed she was a Cylon.

I agree. It didn't sound like the theme.

They also played a portion during the mini-series, I think, at the start right before the ceremony on the Galactica.

[EliSnow]

I just rewatched the mini-series. Does anyone know if the writers the entire run planed out from day one? There are things in the mini-series I precieved as little indications of things to come, but I may be reading too much into it.

I think generally they did, but I am not certain.

[JustJon]

I just rewatched the mini-series. Does anyone know if the writers the entire run planed out from day one? There are things in the mini-series I precieved as little indications of things to come, but I may be reading too much into it.

The show was plotted from the beginning, so they knew the ending when it would come.

[brettmojo]

The show was plotted from the beginning, so they knew the ending when it would come.
It always makes the shows better. The finality sucks but the quality is so good.

[kdubya]

When re-watching the mini-series the thing that caught me the most was towards the end when Adama says he knows where Earth is, they scan along members of the crew. They stop on Chief and when Adama mentions Earth Chief has a little quizzical head turn. With the info we know have I had to wonder if it was a subconscious reaction on his part.

[Freitag]

Mary McConnell (McDonnell?) said that after the finale wrapped, several of them went back and watched the miniseries to tie some ends together so it made more sense.

Which means the following:

The finale is going to be hugely deep, with many layers. But there's going to be a ton of fanboy static from those who didn't "get it", then start complaining how Season 2 and 3 were so much more superior to this dreck.

I'm already hearing flames and tension on FARK about this, because people don't want to get deeper into it.

EVERY SINGLE EPISODE has been huge since the start of the season with the exception of Ellen's return, and we STILL don't know how that's going to figure into the endgame.

Most shows, especially sci-fi shows, get much, much weaker towards the end. BSG is not this show.

[Freitag]

When re-watching the mini-series the thing that caught me the most was towards the end when Adama says he knows where Earth is, they scan along members of the crew. They stop on Chief and when Adama mentions Earth Chief has a little quizzical head turn. With the info we know have I had to wonder if it was a subconscious reaction on his part.

I doubt it RDM plotted out who the final five were at that point. BSG hadn't even been sold as a series yet.

I WOULD like to know who put the note in Adama's quarters about 12 models.

[EliSnow]

I WOULD like to know who put the note in Adama's quarters about 12 models.

I bet we never see that, especially given how the 12 models of Cylons is essentially wrong. I really wouldn't call Tigh, Ellen, Anders, Tyrol or Torrie "models." There are no duplicates running around. Plus, you have the Daniel model, which will probably resurface as Starbuck or linked to her.

[Freitag]

BTW, don't put a lot of creedence into that RDM had this show plotted out from the miniseries. He didn't. One word: Helo. Helo dies on caprica, no Hera. No Hera, no hybrid prophecy.

[EliSnow]

BTW, don't put a lot of creedence into that RDM had this show plotted out from the miniseries. He didn't. One word: Helo. Helo dies on caprica, no Hera. No Hera, no hybrid prophecy.

Not necessarily true. They could have gotten to a human/cylon child in some other fashion.

[MisterSmith]

The finale is going to be hugely deep, with many layers. But there's going to be a ton of fanboy static from those who didn't "get it", then start complaining how Season 2 and 3 were so much more superior to this dreck.


You hit that one on the head. Sci-Fi Channel gave them "all the time they needed" to wrap things up, so the last episode is 3 hours long.

However, they are showing it in 2 parts; a one hour first act and 2 hour finish. But I don't know how that ties into the "3 episodes left" scenario. Are they counting the split final episode as part of the 3 (meaning there are 4 hours left) or 2 regular episodes and the final 3 hour episode (meaning 5 hours left).

Either way, there is a mini-series worth of content left to wrap everything up.

[MisterSmith]

BTW, don't put a lot of creedence into that RDM had this show plotted out from the miniseries. He didn't. One word: Helo. Helo dies on caprica, no Hera. No Hera, no hybrid prophecy.

Not necessarily true. They could have gotten to a human/cylon child in some other fashion.

I am sure they had the general course of the series plotted, not the details. Plotting all of the details may work for a movie or mini-series, but would probably be too constraining for a regular series; especially since you probably don't know how long the series is going to run and how much time you will have to complete the journey.

[EliSnow]

I am sure they had the general course of the series plotted, not the details. Plotting all of the details may work for a movie or mini-series, but would probably be too constraining for a regular series; especially since you probably don't know how long the series is going to run and how much time you will have to complete the journey.

And you never know if the actors will be around for the whole run or other things that force changes in the script.

[MisterSmith]

And you never know if the actors will be around for the whole run or other things that force changes in the script.

Exactly - there are too many variables to have everything mapped out exactly. It can end up hamstringing the writer and series if you try too lock in too many aspects of the story.

Look at Babylon 5 as an example. J. Michael Straczynski had everything mapped out for all of the characters and story lines through a 5 year arc. However he had key actors leave and that screwed up the story and things got a little confusing as he shifted plot points. Then he lost his 5th year and had to slam a season's worth of storyline into a handful of episodes at the end of season 4. After that was already done the show was picked up by TNT and a 5th season had to be created that was essentially outside the original story. It was sloppy and unsatisfying.

***Don't get me wrong - I liked B5 a lot. However, season 5 was a big disappointment IMO. I don't think Battlestar Galactica will end that way.

[MisterSmith]

This is the first run of the episode so I won't say much, but that slap was COMPLETELY out of character. That really should have been a punch.

[Tenbatsuzen]

This is the first run of the episode so I won't say much, but that slap was COMPLETELY out of character. That really should have been a punch.

I'm really trying to figure out what the fuck Baltar's motivation was for doing that.

That being said, I really enjoyed Lee's overreaction statement of "GAIUS BALTAR?!?!" during the Captains' meeting.

[MisterSmith]

I'm really trying to figure out what the fuck Baltar's motivation was for doing that.

That being said, I really enjoyed Lee's overreaction statement of "GAIUS BALTAR?!?!" during the Captains' meeting.

I haven't understood what is up with Baltar for most of the season. It made sense when he was talking about a single God (akin to Cylon beliefs), then he went off the deep end when Earth was a bust. I have completely lost what message he is going for now or how it will help him in the long run.

[STC-Dub]

I think that is the point with Baltar. Really he has had no clue about what he has been doing the whole series, at least not consciously.

[STC-Dub]

This is the first run of the episode so I won't say much, but that slap was COMPLETELY out of character. That really should have been a punch.

Hadn't thought of that but I agree.

[kdubya]

She slapped him because Gaius doesn't deserve a punch.

[Doogie]

I missed this weeks episode and Scifi.com is a fucking cunt when it comes to putting things up on their site. Anyone know where I can DL this past weeks episode?? I already tried isohunter and pirate bay and they both bring up episodes from last season.

[Gmann]

One of the OnDemand channels on TimeWarner cable has a SCI-FI section with all the latest BS:G episodes. I think its Cutting Edge on Demand if you have it.

[Doogie]

Oh shit...I have it on Demand myself. Thank the gods!! What the hell did we do before OnDemand, TIVO/DVR's and so forth?? God, what primitive savages we were.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I am suddenly very, very concerned:

http://blogs.scifi.com/battlestar/2007/06/the-sopranos-ends-perfectly.php

[STC-Dub]

Crap. well if there is any good news that as about a year before they actually finished the show. Man, that would suck if they ended the series like that.

[Doogie]

Crap. well if there is any good news that as about a year before they actually finished the show. Man, that would suck if they ended the series like that.

Ehhhh...I wouldnt put too much into that. Sure that type of ending was perfect for the Sopranos, but a Sci-Fi show almost always has a conclusive ending.

[Furtherman]

This is the first run of the episode so I won't say much, but that slap was COMPLETELY out of character. That really should have been a punch.

I think Starbuck is going out of her mind right now - what is she? A Cylon? An angel? Some kind of hybrid? Who - or what - was on Earth wearing her dog-tags? And considering she just had another Cylon tell her she's the harbinger of death, she's really frazzled. So I think she is out of character. Besides, a punch might have killed Baltar.

I'm really trying to figure out what the fuck Baltar's motivation was for doing that.

I think Baltar is starting to believe his own shtick. He believes he sees angels. He probably really does believe Kara is one of them.

Adama is no Jackson Pollock!

[pittphantoms]

Prediction time...

Kara is the hero of this story... She is the Harbinger of Death to the enemies of the survivors - not the BSG team. She also was resurrected by her father who lives in secret from everyone - he was killed but was resurrected by his original hub that saved all five of the final five.

I think Roslin is going to die in the next episode.

Baltar is going to commit a selfless act that saves a bunch of lives

[STC-Dub]

Lee seems to be a smaller part of the show each week.

[Doogie]

Lee seems to be a smaller part of the show each week.

It seems to be that way with a lot of people who are part of the government. Remember Zarak was a semi-regular part till he got on the quorum, then he rarely made appearances at all.

[Freitag]

Lee seems to be a smaller part of the show each week.

They started playing up the Lee/Kara romance thing again during the mutiny, and then they have Kara freak out over Anders, then she tries to kill him.

Writing is all over the place in that storyline.

[STC-Dub]

Agreed, it is hard to see that resolving in the last two episodes even with one being three hours. I think the "so much confusion" last words were very prophetic for the show and sums up this season so far if that makes sense.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Good lord.

Fuck "The Island" - I think now that battlestar galactica is truly hell/purgatory.

[IamFogHat]

So is this Balthazar flashback storyline intended to tell us that everything we've come to accept as truth has been a work?

[Tenbatsuzen]

So is this Balthazar flashback storyline intended to tell us that everything we've come to accept as truth has been a work?

Caprica Six killed a baby.

She's either killed Julius, or they are retconning.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Hpoly shit...

I think Lee's pregnant girl on Caprica killed hersel.

[kdubya]

Just when you think it is going one way, it takes a 180. So are they taking Galatica on one last ho-rah to get Herra?

[kdubya]

fuck

[STC-Dub]

I do not even know what to say. Not seeing a happy ending though. Especially not from the previews of the finale.

[STC-Dub]

And I see no way that all of the stories can be resolved in 2 hours.

[kdubya]

Adama is going down with his ship

[Devo37]

this is not going to end well...

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c395/Devo37/poop.jpg http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c395/Devo37/fan.jpg

[STC-Dub]

Adama is going down with his ship

The question is who else is going down with him...

[STC-Dub]

Monday at 10 PM ET is The Last Frackin Special.

[furie]

one thing that struck me the other day, as a loose end that they never went back to, what were the cylons doing to all those women they were extracting eggs from? i'm guessing that they were trying to procreate in vitro, but what happened with that?

[Tenbatsuzen]

one thing that struck me the other day, as a loose end that they never went back to, what were the cylons doing to all those women they were extracting eggs from? i'm guessing that they were trying to procreate in vitro, but what happened with that?

Starbuck killed all the women when she left there.

[Drunky McBetidont]

Starbuck bumped clams with all the women when she left there.

so fucking hot!

[furie]

i know she killed them, but they never went back to that story line. they didn't really explain what was going on. and there were 11 other colonies where we have to assume the same thing was happening

[STC-Dub]

Never thought about that, but we can guess nothing worked or else Hera would not be so important to the cylons.

[A Pwnasaur]

i hope i'm right or not... this show has been so much fun to watch i can barley contain myself. ok they introduced a black hole. so what happens when you fall into a black hole. theoretically you are transported somewhere else or to another dimension. i think galactica and everyone around the singularity have fallen into it time and time again. so in their reality time restarts and they start over. while the flashbacks are giving us something new about that characters i find it odd the way they placed it. there has to be some sort of revelation in regards to them.i think they have a twist in mind. i think the "flashbacks" are flash forwards into the future of the restarting time line that everyone will fall into. there has to be a twist with the "flashbacks". i'm betting it's that. also following through with that thought, its never been answered why the cylons believe in a single god. i think baltar is the reason that cylons believe in one god. He's the author of the bibles the cylons believe in. i'm not sure how that survives but if this is suppose to happen again and again like they keep repeating to us then it's plausible that baltar wrote the sacred texts and since time restarts over and over again, everyone forgot who started it. just like our religions and sacred texts. :wallbash: arghhh i don't care if i'm right. either way i'm going to miss this show dearly

[furie]

hey, what ever happened to that pilot that they rescued from the battlestar valkarie?

[STC-Dub]

Got me...

[EliSnow]

Creators and cast of Galactica host a discussion at the United Nations. (http://www.newsarama.com/tv/090318-battlestar-galactica-UN.html)

The event, titled "Battlestar Galactica: A Retrospective," seemed well-timed with Battlestar's two-hour finale airing this Friday. But most of the evening focused on questions about the show's past episodes involving real-life intersections, rather than potential spoilers about the final fates of humans and Cylons.

Perhaps the evening's highlight came when Olmos went on a partial tangent about the use of the word "race," and forcefully argued that the only race which counted was the "human race." He drew increasingly louder clapping and cheers as he proceeded to channel the charismatic leadership of his Battlestar character, Admiral William Adama.

"And then I end up well prepared as the admiral of Battlestar Galactica to say to all of you, there but one race, and that is it! So say we all!" Olmos said, invoking a common Battlestar chant used on the show.

"So say we all!" the crowd roared back, responding twice more as Adama's voice rose to a shout. Wild applause filled the chamber, and for a moment it wasn't hard to imagine being on the hangar deck of Galactica.

[Drunky McBetidont]

dont know if this was posted before, but it is fun. ftl > hyperdrive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxX0DKE3oqw

[Furtherman]

Creators and cast of Galactica host a discussion at the United Nations. (http://www.newsarama.com/tv/090318-battlestar-galactica-UN.html)


Damn I want to see that!!

[Judge Smails]

Some things to consider for tomorrow.

1) Reruns all day - starting at 8:00 am

2) 7:00 pm - Special Program Saluting Battlestar Galactica

3) 8:00 pm - Rerun of last week's episode

4) 9:00 pm - 11:11 pm - Finale

NOTE: THE FINALE RUNS 11 MINUTES LONG!! KEEP THIS IN MIND WHEN SETTING YOUR TIVO/DVR

[EliSnow]

Damn I want to see that!!

I didn't realize Whoopi was a fan. Thank god, the creators didn't make her a character tending the bar on Galactica.

[Furtherman]

I didn't realize Whoopi was a fan. Thank god, the creators didn't make her a character tending the bar on Galactica.

HAhaha... yea, been done. But I did see a clip of EJO and Mary on The View and Whoopi was gushing about the show.

[STC-Dub]

The Finale is only 11 minutes long?:wink:

[furie]

dont know if this was posted before, but it is fun. ftl > hyperdrive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxX0DKE3oqw

nice.
i would have like to seen some Omega class destroyers show up at the end, get some starfuries in the fight

[Furtherman]

“Battlestar Galactica”: An Unprecedented Farewell to a Groundbreaking Sci Fi Drama (http://www.jackmyers.com/commentary/media-business-bloggers/41559727.html)

There have been a number of sensational finales for drama series in recent years, including the unforgettable endings to NBC’s The West Wing, FX’s The Shield and HBO’s Six Feet Under and The Sopranos. Tonight’s grand finale of Sci Fi’s Peabody Award-winning space opera Battlestar Galactica doesn’t simply belong on that distinguished list. It should sit proudly at the top, the perfect ending to a series that is not only the most distinguished in Sci Fi’s history but one of the best that television has ever offered, period.

The review is spoiler-free.

And I am frakkin' excited!

[KingGeno]

Haven't seen one episode of either the old or new series. Should I go back and watch the original series and then this one, or is there someone that created a recommended viewing order?

I have every episode (besides tonight's shit fest) ready to go.

[Furtherman]

There is no need to watch the old one. The new one is far superior.

[EliSnow]

Haven't seen one episode of either the old or new series. Should I go back and watch the original series and then this one, or is there someone that created a recommended viewing order?

I have every episode (besides tonight's shit fest) ready to go.

The original and new series have no link whatsoever other than the new series was based on the original series. There is no reason to watch the original series to enjoy the new series.

[Furtherman]

By the way, I'd just like to say it has been an honor posting with all of you in this thread over the years talking about this excellent show.

This thread will be missed, just as the show.

[KingGeno]

There is no need to watch the old one. The new one is far superior.

The original and new series have no link whatsoever other than the new series was based on the original series. There is no reason to watch the original series to enjoy the new series.

Thank you gentlemen. I am late to the game, hope I enjoy it.

[EliSnow]

By the way, I'd just like to say it has been an honor posting with all of you in this thread over the years talking about this excellent show.

This thread will be missed, just as the show.

I wish I had been able to take part more, but with my life, I usually only watch the eps a week or two after airing. I still haven't seen last week's ep yet, and I don't think I'll be seeing that one or tonight's until Sunday.

So I have ignored any posts about last week's ep.

[Furtherman]

Battlestar's Edward James Olmos reveals his Plan (http://scifiwire.com/2009/03/battlestars-edward-james.php#more)

Edward James Olmos told SCI FI Wire that he hopes the upcoming Battlestar Galactica spinoff movie The Plan—a Cylon-centric story that he directed and stars in as William Adama—will inspire newcomers to check out the 2003 miniseries and the subsequent four years of the SCI FI Channel original series.

"The Plan is ... literally, at the beginning of every single episode [of Battlestar Galactica], you see that 'The Cylons are created by man, there are many of them, and some of them don't know that they are Cylons. And they have a plan,'" Olmos said in an interview last week in New York. "Well, this is the plan. This is what caused this to happen."

[EliSnow]

Newsarama has its top 5 Galactica eps (http://www.newsarama.com/tv/090320-top-5-battlestatr-galatica.html). Prettty good list.

[STC-Dub]

By the way, I'd just like to say it has been an honor posting with all of you in this thread over the years talking about this excellent show.

This thread will be missed, just as the show.

I agree on both counts. A sad day with the end of my favorite show and I will miss this thread. Not that this sis the end of the thread but in case I forget, it has been an honor. So say we all!!!

[Devo37]

By the way, I'd just like to say it has been an honor posting with all of you in this thread over the years talking about this excellent show.

This thread will be missed, just as the show.


So Say We All!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Newsarama has its top 5 Galactica eps (http://www.newsarama.com/tv/090320-top-5-battlestatr-galatica.html). Prettty good list.



Meh. Kobol's Last Gleaming should have been on there.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Caprican boob jobs. This already is the best Series Finale ever.

[brettmojo]

Ah shit here we go.

[Tenbatsuzen]

So Warehouse 13 is basically "Friday the 13th: The Series" crossed with Moonlighting.

Yeah. Pass.

[brettmojo]

Yup. All about mathematics.
-1 :laugh:

[Tenbatsuzen]

OK, so the bodycount so far is definitely Skulls, maybe Racetrack.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Head Gaius!

[brettmojo]

Head Gaius!
He's gotta' be a Cylon.

[HBox]

All right, that whole thing that just happened? That happened way to easily.

[brettmojo]

All right, that whole thing that just happened? That happened way to easily.
You were saying?

[brettmojo]

I knew it, Earth wasn't Earth.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Why did Cavil kill himself? Just because he was so egotistical he didn't want to be taken out by humans?

[HBox]

You were saying?

My major problem was why Cavil gave in, and nothing that happened changed that. The whole launching of the nukes thing was also hard to believe.

Everything else is beyond fantastic.

[brettmojo]

My major problem was why Cavil gave in, and nothing that happened changed that. The whole launching of the nukes thing was also hard to believe.

Everything else is beyond fantastic.
It was all he wanted in the first place though, not so hard to believe.

[HBox]

Oh yeah, I've hated this stupid song bullshit from the very beginning but I was starting to accept it. But having Starbuck say the line from the fucking song gave me douche chills.

And what the hell was with the commercial for that blatant fucking 2001 ripoff.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Is Helo dead?

[IamFogHat]

This show has a half hour to prevent me from puking in my mouth.

[HBox]

What the fuck is this happy horse shit?

[Tenbatsuzen]

This show has a half hour to prevent me from puking in my mouth.

43 minutes, actually. We're going to 11:11.

It goes to 11.

[HBox]

If this shit had happened at 11:05 and not 10:25 I would shut my TV off and never turn it back on EVER AGAIN.

[Tenbatsuzen]

OK, so the questions answered:

Galen finds out about Cally, kills Tory.

Head Six and Head Gaius are angels.

What else?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Hbox - welcome back, where you been?

[HBox]

OK, so the questions answered:

Galen finds out about Cally, kills Tory.

Head Six and Head Gaius are angels.

What else?

All humans were actually secret hippies.

[furie]

so what happened to the chief's kid?!

[Doctor Manhattan]

Was there just the one Cavil?

And where did the old school centurions come from?

[HBox]

Hbox - welcome back, where you been?

I've been busy. I'm starting to wish I was still busy.

[Doctor Manhattan]

so what happened to the chief's kid?!

Turned out the it wasn't his kid. Belonged to Hotdog (EJO's real life son's character) who took him. This was in "A Disquiet Follows My Soul"

[Tenbatsuzen]

I get it. Kara was the harbinger of death for the Cylons.

[furie]

Turned out the it wasn't his kid. Belonged to Hotdog (EJO's real life son's character) who took him. This was in "A Disquiet Follows My Soul"

i guess i missed that part

[HBox]

Shit man, I'm beginning to think this will end as stupid as it started.

[Doctor Manhattan]

I hate to ask this, but what is the point of the flashbacks? They were already doing a "full circle" thing with the show before they started with this stuff last week, what is with the pre war flashbacks?

[brettmojo]

What The Fuck Was Starbuck!!!!

[furie]

what the fuck!

[Doctor Manhattan]

What The Fuck Was Starbuck!!!!

Was she an angel like Head Six and Baltar? Was she a Head Kara that a lot of people were seeing at once? WTF? I think someone forgot to write a real ending.

[furie]

i'm guessing she was a ghost

[Tenbatsuzen]

That was a bad death scene. I felt more of a connection when the chick on Funky Winkerbean died.

[HBox]

This has been the biggest letdown of my life. And I've had some horrible shit happen to me and my family.

[Doctor Manhattan]

The Plan? They aren't stopping this BSG thing?

So Earth was full of Cylons like "the final 5"? so there were a lot more than 12 models?

Helo is okay?

[HBox]

The Plan? They aren't stopping this BSG thing?

So Earth was full of Cylons like "the final 5"? so there were a lot more than 12 models?

Helo is okay?

The Plan is a prequel movie.

[HBox]

I fucking hate this fucking show fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck.

[Tenbatsuzen]

All of this has happened before....



Please tell me this is all a bad dream...

...and it will happen again.

[IamFogHat]

Ew.

Well did anyone not see that coming an hour ago? What a fucking...I can't even go on, for the amazing show that this..I mean...I...fuck

[brettmojo]

I have no problem with anything else... But Starbuck just goes... POOF?!?!?!

[HBox]

All of this has happened before....



...and it will happen again.

YOU! YOU ARE THE ONE WHO GOT ME INTO THIS!!!!!!!

[Doctor Manhattan]

That fucker put himself in the show.:huh:

so we are on the 2nd earth? :thumbdown:

This is almost as bad as the Soprano's ending.:wallbash:

150,000 years later my ass....

Ronald D Moore can suck it! Created such a great show but didn't plan ahead and couldn't end it well.

Well in 20 years maybe someone else will remake this thing correctly

[Tenbatsuzen]

So here are the final questions:

1) What was Gaius' comment that "You know he doesn't like that name?"

2) Was Starbuck just an angel? Because if Head Gaius and Head Six were angels, that makes Starbuck something else.

[Tenbatsuzen]

YOU! YOU ARE THE ONE WHO GOT ME INTO THIS!!!!!!!

There's too much confusion. I can't get no relief.

[HBox]

I hope the big secret in Lost isn't "God did it."

[HBox]

So here are the final questions:

1) What was Gaius' comment that "You know he doesn't like that name?"

2) Was Starbuck just an angel? Because if Head Gaius and Head Six were angels, that makes Starbuck something else.

Jesus?

I should have followed Adama's advice about his favorite book. I should have stopped watching last week.

[Tenbatsuzen]

That fucker put himself in the show.

Come on, that was fucking amusing.

Here's a weird question.

Why was Head Gaius wearing the same sunglasses that Regular Gaius was wearing?

[IamFogHat]

That fucker put himself in the show.:huh:

so we are on the 2nd earth? :thumbdown:

This is almost as bad as the Soprano's ending.:wallbash:

150,000 years later my ass....

Ronald D Moore can suck it! Created such a great show but didn't plan ahead and couldn't end it well.

Well in 20 years maybe someone else will remake this thing correctly

I will defend this show to the death overall, but, it is literally the TV equivalent of a great movie that gets ruined by a bad ending. I mean, how the fuck do I recommend this to my friends now? With a fucking caveat? I can't in good conscious do that!

[Tenbatsuzen]

BTW, an angry Hbox is always amusing. ALways. I'm totally let down but cracking up by his total meltdown.


I will give RDM credit. That montage on Earth looked fucking spectacular on my 46" of Samsung goodness.

I also appreciate the south park editing, where he put the robot from Japan last week into the show.

[Doctor Manhattan]

I hope the big secret in Lost isn't "God did it."

The EPs from Lost mentioned the ending of Sopranos and how they would never do something like that on Lost. I hope they are watching tonight and take more notes on what not to do for May 2010.

Damon and Carlton, you hear me? Don't fuck up Lost!

[Tenbatsuzen]

I will defend this show to the death overall, but, it is literally the TV equivalent of a great movie that gets ruined by a bad ending. I mean, how the fuck do I recommend this to my friends now? With a fucking caveat? I can't in good conscious do that!

It's simple.

Tell them to stop watching after Anders leads them into the sun. EVeryone settled on Earth. The end.

[Tenbatsuzen]

RDM did telegraph that he loved how the Sopranos ended. I knew this a week ago, so I knew that the end was gonna be something like this.


I can't wait to see the amount of hate this gets on FARK. I'm gonna look like a real asshole defending this shit, although my "stop watching when the Fleet blows up" theory may be the best course of action.

[HBox]

Seriously this was just fucking bad. Nobody acted in a believable manner except for Tyrol. Everyone else acted in a manner that advanced the plot but not in manner that fit into the kind of characters they were.

And then the cop out fucking to every fucking open thread: God did it. Great. Wonderful. Thanks for that. That must have took all of 2 seconds to come up with.

AND WHO THE FUCK GAVE ADAMA THE NOTE THAT SAYS THERE WERE 12 MODELS?!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Did anyone catch the stripper's name in the credits? I'd like to.. google her... although I'm sure she's just a house dancer in Vancouver or some shit.

[kdubya]

I loved the ending, Hera as mitochondrial Eve, excellent.

Starbuck was a ghost, same as the other Gaius and Six. Everything was being directed by god all along.

I like that in the end we learn Gaius wasn't crazy, he was being directed by "angels".

The entire show was turned on it's head the final episode.

I am very happy with the ending.

[HBox]

RDM did telegraph that he loved how the Sopranos ended. I knew this a week ago, so I knew that the end was gonna be something like this.


I can't wait to see the amount of hate this gets on FARK. I'm gonna look like a real asshole defending this shit, although my "stop watching when the Fleet blows up" theory may be the best course of action.

I liked how the Sopranos ended too. This bullshit can't hold a candle to any Sopranos episode,

[pittphantoms]

I have no idea what everyone is bitching about...

That ending was fantastic. I loved it.

I loved everything about it.

[MisterSmith]

It's simple.

Tell them to stop watching after Anders leads them into the sun. EVeryone settled on Earth. The end.

That is really where they should have ended it. Up until that point, it was a great finale.

That Starbuck "poof" was really annoying. WTF was that?

And what the hell are Head-6 and Head-Gaius? Damn it!

Should have ended flying into the sun - it would have made it the sci-fi equivalent of riding off into the sunset.

[kdubya]

I have no idea what everyone is bitching about...

That ending was fantastic. I loved it.

I loved everything about it.

I agree.

What the fuck were the rest of you looking for in an end? How can you compare it to the Sopranos?

[HBox]

I agree.

What the fuck were the rest of you looking for in an end? How can you compare it to the Sopranos?

You can't compare it to the Sopranos ending. The Sopranos ending was GOOD. This was absolute SHIT.

[kdubya]

And what the hell are Head-6 and Head-Gaius? Damn it!



Seems pretty obvious, they are as Gaius said angels. They directed the entire story from the beginning.

I think it was well done. It used the idea of a divine power with out leaning towards any one faith, hence why Gaius said he doesn't like being called god. It shows that history tends to repeat itself, but that doesn't mean we are slaves to fate, we can change.

The more i think about it the more i like it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I think Kara going poof is probably the biggest issue people have.

Roslin dies, Helo/Athena/Hera are happy, Tyrol is alone, the Tighs are together.

This show should have really ended with Starbuck and Apollo together. Not to sound like an emo fangirl, but that's the relationship most of us cared about.

Don't forget, KARA AND LEE WERE SUCKING FACE DURING THE FUCKING MUTINY. Kara wiped her hands of Sam. It's only because Sam was a fucking vegetable that she turns back to Sam?

It's amusing how the two biggest pussyhounds on BSG - Tyrol (three chicks) and Apollo (three chicks + Gianne) end up alone.

The flashback with Zak made no sense either. Lee and Kara fucked MULTIPLE times after the fact, so I don't get it.

[pittphantoms]

We got an ending... we got the message... we saw what happened to our favorite people.. I dont see what else we could want...

Honestly - this made me want more from life.... thats not even a joke... I dont know what else you want from a finalle for a tv show.

[kdubya]

You can't compare it to the Sopranos ending. The Sopranos ending was GOOD. This was absolute SHIT.

How can you say it was shit?
What do you think should have happened?

[MisterSmith]

They should have brought back the "Light Ship aliens" and made them responsible for Starbuck and head-6/Baltar.

Other than that massive WTF, I really liked the finale.

[kdubya]

We got an ending... we got the message... we saw what happened to our favorite people.. I dont see what else we could want...

Honestly - this made me want more from life.... thats not even a joke... I dont know what else you want from a finalle for a tv show.


I agree, the anti robot thing at the end was a little heavy handed, but other than that I loved it.

The Hera as mitochondrial Eve makes me so happy. I loved that part.

[kdubya]

They should have brought back the "Light Ship aliens" and made them responsible for Starbuck and head-6/Baltar.

Other than that massive WTF, I really liked the finale.


Remind me, who are the light ship aliens?

[HBox]

How can you say it was shit?
What do you think should have happened?

It's not what I think should have happened. I don't fucking believe Cavil would do everything he has done and then give it up because of a Baltar speech. I do not believe that a Raptor full of dead people would randomly launch nukes that would wipe out the Cylons. I do not believe that Lee would come up with such a shitty idea, and I CERTAINLY don't believe the entire fleet would go along with it.

And "God did everything" is not an explanation. It's a cop out by a man who wrote himself into a corner. I felt like I was watching Dogma in that final scene. What a fucking joke. Absolute fucking joke. On me.

[MisterSmith]

Remind me, who are the light ship aliens?

:lol: From the original Galactica series. They were a god/angel-like race (maybe extra dimensional) that popped in and out of the original series. It really would have made sense.

***Explanatory Linky. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Lights)

[pittphantoms]

I thought it was brilliant to let the centurions go at the end...

I thought Starbuck disappearing was confusing - but at the same time wonderful...

I only wish this show would continue through the rebuild...

I guess the "All Along the Watchtower" was enough of a sign that we wouldnt get final answers on everything - but they would set us up to make our own conclusions... so "Let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late..."

[kdubya]

It's not what I think should have happened. I don't fucking believe Cavil would do everything he has done and then give it up because of a Baltar speech. I do not believe that a Raptor full of dead people would randomly launch nukes that would wipe out the Cylons. I do not believe that Lee would come up with such a shitty idea, and I CERTAINLY don't believe the entire fleet would go along with it.

And "God did everything" is not an explanation. It's a cop out by a man who wrote himself into a corner. I felt like I was watching Dogma in that final scene. What a fucking joke. Absolute fucking joke. On me.



He didn't give because of Balthars speech, he gave up because they offered him resurrection. And I doubt he would have walked away if things hadn't changed due to Chiefs actions.

It's not a cop out, it has been running through out the series since pretty close to the beginning. If it came out of no where than it would be a cop out.


And what the fuck does it matter that the writer is in a 1/4 of the screen for 2 second, how the fuck does that have any bearing on the story?

[MisterSmith]

I think Kara going poof is probably the biggest issue people have.

Roslin dies, Helo/Athena/Hera are happy, Tyrol is alone, the Tighs are together.

This show should have really ended with Starbuck and Apollo together. Not to sound like an emo fangirl, but that's the relationship most of us cared about.


Starbuck disappearing is definitely my biggest complaint. I can go with everything else, but Kara disappearing with no explanation or reason is probably going to bug me forever.

And I wanted to see Lee and Kara together too. :glurps:

[kdubya]

:lol: From the original Galactica series. They were a god/angel-like race (maybe extra dimensional) that popped in and out of the original series. It really would have made sense.

***Explanatory Linky. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Lights)


Oh yeah, to tell you the truth the original theme playing when they went into the son was about as much of a through back to the old series as I could take.

[brettmojo]

Starbuck going poof is really the only fuck up I can call bullshit on. Everything else is fine. Maybe her and voices-in-head Baltar and Six are Ronnie Moore's nod to the idea of the light ship aliens.

On a side note Seth Macfarlane has to be the coolest mutha' fucka' on the planet.

[kdubya]

My take on Kara is that she died in season 3, what came back was a ghost or angel.

[brettmojo]

My take on Kara is that she died in season 3, what came back was a ghost or angel.
But ghosts can lead an assault team into the cylon colony and shoot the fuck outta' Centurions? Nigga' please!

[MisterSmith]

Oh yeah, to tell you the truth the original theme playing when they went into the son was about as much of a through back to the old series as I could take.

It was a nice touch IMO. They have done a lot of that little stuff throughout the series - old "toaster" Centurions, the Pegasus surviving, etc. It would have been awkward and would still piss people off, but the Light Ship aliens being behind Kara's "resurrection" would have made more sense (to me) than just disappearing and having been an "angel."

[kdubya]

But ghosts can lead an assault team into the cylon colony and shoot the fuck outta' Centurions? Nigga' please!

Starbuck ghosts can, and look damn good doing it.

[HBox]

He didn't give because of Balthars speech, he gave up because they offered him resurrection. And I doubt he would have walked away if things hadn't changed due to Chiefs actions.

It's not a cop out, it has been running through out the series since pretty close to the beginning. If it came out of no where than it would be a cop out.


And what the fuck does it matter that the writer is in a 1/4 of the screen for 2 second, how the fuck does that have any bearing on the story?

I didn't give a shit he was in there at the end.

And all Cavil wanted was resurrection? Did you watch the episode with him and Ellen? There's a hell of a lot more going on in Cavil's head.

And yes it is a cop out. Because there are no more things unexplained. Because it literally allowed them to write ANYTHING in the series and have it be explained.

Why did Kara come back? God.

Why did she disappear? God.

Who left that note for Adama at the end of the miniseries? God.

How did the 4 Cylons realize they were Cylons? God.

Why did the whole fleet, who are completely unequipped to survive living off the land, who have no idea there are no Cylons left (there still might be), who couldn't reach critical consensus ON ONE FUCKING ISSUE THIS ENTIRE FUCKING SERIES, agree to shed everything about their lives and live on a planet they've only found for a matter of days? God, I guess.

[pittphantoms]

It was also nice to remember why I found Starbuck attractive tonight.. she was beautiful

I feel the most heartache for Lee... losing his dad and Starbuck within minutes...

[kdubya]

I didn't give a shit he was in there at the end.

And all Cavil wanted was resurrection? Did you watch the episode with him and Ellen? There's a hell of a lot more going on in Cavil's head.

And yes it is a cop out. Because there are no more things unexplained. Because it literally allowed them to write ANYTHING in the series and have it be explained.

Why did Kara come back? God.

Why did she disappear? God.

Who left that note for Adama at the end of the miniseries? God.

How did the 4 Cylons realize they were Cylons? God.

Why did the whole fleet, who are completely unequipped to survive living off the land, who have no idea there are no Cylons left (there still might be), who couldn't reach critical consensus ON ONE FUCKING ISSUE THIS ENTIRE FUCKING SERIES, agree to shed everything about their lives and live on a planet they've only found for a matter of days? God, I guess.


Well there is plenty of great programing on NBC monday night that may be more to your liking.

[furie]

Jesus?

I should have followed Adama's advice about his favorite book. I should have stopped watching last week.

good call

[HBox]

Well there is plenty of great programing on NBC monday night that may be more to your liking.

Being condescending is no solution to not having an argument, son.

[kdubya]

Best line of the final episode,

Adama puts his hand in the goo from hooking up Anders in the CIC. he looks up at Tigh who says ,

"It's still not to late to flush them all out the airlock."

It is such a great summary of Tighs character

[kdubya]

Being condescending is no solution to not having an argument, son.

Read back dude, I have explained my side, you just disagree.

eat it

[HBox]

Read back dude, I have explained my side, you just disagree.

eat it

Then tell me why you buy that the entire fleet would agree to that dumb as shit idea.

[kdubya]

Then tell me why you buy that the entire fleet would agree to that dumb as shit idea.

Adama said it, don't underestimate people desires for a clean slate.

They were trapped in those ships for years with little hope. Now they have a purpose and a goal. Their fate is back in their own hands.

[brettmojo]

Then tell me why you buy that the entire fleet would agree to that dumb as shit idea.
Spending the better part of 5 years floating through space in a space ship... Having robots trying to kill you the whole time.

Not too far fetched.