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MisterSmith
03-20-2009, 08:04 PM
Then tell me why you buy that the entire fleet would agree to that dumb as shit idea.
Tired of running.
No more protection.
Concern for the future and not repeating the cycle.
I could come up with more, but ultimately it comes down to having nowhere else to go and this is their chance to start over.
I will admit it is a bit of a stretch. However, I can also see why it would happen.
kdubya
03-20-2009, 08:04 PM
Spending the better part of 5 years floating through space in a space ship... Having robots trying to kill you the whole time.
Not too far fetched.
Also most didn't have the relative luxury they had on Galactica. Most sat around waiting for something to happen. Very few had any say in what they did. Now they all have a say in where their lives go.
Adama said it, don't underestimate people desires for a clean slate.
They were trapped in those ships for years with little hope. Now they have a purpose and a goal. Their fate is back in their own hands.
Just another instance in which I am asked to believe that people are acting in a way that every episode before it says they should not act.
And what does that have to do with sending all of their ships into the sun and ditching all of their technology? In case, you know, there are still Cylons out there and they find them?
kdubya
03-20-2009, 08:08 PM
Arguments about the ending aside.
The final showdown had some great moments:
The red stripe Cylons kicking the shit out of the old model cylons. (especially when one caps an old cylon in the head at close range)
A six leading a bunch of red stripe cylons in formation in the hanger deck.
Gaius suited up and ready for action.
Tigh and Adama basically being dicks to Boomer in the flashback.
You are all giving good reasons why they would want to settle a planet and not send their entire fleet and all technology into the sun. I get that they want a planet. That's why they tried to settle that shit hole New Caprica.
brettmojo
03-20-2009, 08:11 PM
The Starbuck fiasco aside, the more I think about it the more I'm really happy with the ending. The Hera as Mitochondrial Eve... The spreading out of all the survivors explaining the similarities of cultures (Pyramids/unbelievable feats of architecture)...
Still, the Starbuck thing is killing me.
MisterSmith
03-20-2009, 08:11 PM
Just another instance in which I am asked to believe that people are acting in a way that every episode before it says they should not act.
And what does that have to do with sending all of their ships into the sun and ditching all of their technology? In case, you know, there are still Cylons out there and they find them?
They just found a planet with early humans and are choosing to become part of the existing "system" instead of imposing their technology and lifestyle.
Getting rid of the ships and technology allows the rest of Earth's existing culture to develop without too much artificial advancement. Plus it might throw off any remaining Cylons if only stone age tech is evident.
brettmojo
03-20-2009, 08:13 PM
Just another instance in which I am asked to believe that people are acting in a way that every episode before it says they should not act.
And what does that have to do with sending all of their ships into the sun and ditching all of their technology? In case, you know, there are still Cylons out there and they find them?
What could any of it help them do if the Cylons did show up? Galactica was the only defense they had and it was shot to shit.
MisterSmith
03-20-2009, 08:15 PM
You are all giving good reasons why they would want to settle a planet and not send their entire fleet and all technology into the sun. I get that they want a planet. That's why they tried to settle that shit hole New Caprica.
But they had the tech and New Caprica was a complete cluster fuck. The experience on New Caprica could actually do more to convince the remaining humans to give up the old ways and try something completely new and back to basics - a clean slate.
They just found a planet with early humans and are choosing to become part of the existing "system" instead of imposing their technology and lifestyle.
Getting rid of the ships and technology allows the rest of Earth's existing culture to develop without too much artificial advancement. Plus it might throw off any remaining Cylons if only stone age tech is evident.
That last part is a good point.
But does anyone here think they could survive in those conditions? Seriously? And these people are accustomed to even higher technology. And I'm supposed to believe that 30,000+ people decide to go "Hey, why not?" No.
kdubya
03-20-2009, 08:16 PM
Just another instance in which I am asked to believe that people are acting in a way that every episode before it says they should not act.
And what does that have to do with sending all of their ships into the sun and ditching all of their technology? In case, you know, there are still Cylons out there and they find them?
You can't be to pragmatic about this, it's the concept not the specifics.
kdubya
03-20-2009, 08:18 PM
But they had the tech and New Caprica was a complete cluster fuck. The experience on New Caprica could actually do more to convince the remaining humans to give up the old ways and try something completely new and back to basics - a clean slate.
That's a really good point, I didn't think about the New Caprica experience playing in to it.
You can't be to pragmatic about this, it's the concept not the specifics.
I can agree with that to a point. This was way beyond that point to me.
And if Kara is an angel or Jesus or something, what does that make her Viper? Viper Jesus?
But they had the tech and New Caprica was a complete cluster fuck. The experience on New Caprica could actually do more to convince the remaining humans to give up the old ways and try something completely new and back to basics - a clean slate.
New Caprica was a complete shit hole and technology had nothing to do with it.
kdubya
03-20-2009, 08:21 PM
I can agree with that to a point. This was way beyond that point to me.
And if Kara is an angel or Jesus or something, what does that make her Viper? Viper Jesus?
Pretty much that's it, Viper Jesus
brettmojo
03-20-2009, 08:21 PM
That last part is a good point.
But does anyone here think they could survive in those conditions? Seriously? And these people are accustomed to even higher technology. And I'm supposed to believe that 30,000+ people decide to go "Hey, why not?" No.
They got to choose where they went, had provisions and supplies to last them until they established farming... People have survived with less of an advantage. You're also assuming they had no one capable of farming among them.
What could any of it help them do if the Cylons did show up? Galactica was the only defense they had and it was shot to shit.
They had a Basestar full of Centurions! They were prepared to go this route before Adama decided to rescue Hera.
brettmojo
03-20-2009, 08:23 PM
They had a Basestar full of Centurions! They were prepared to go this route before Adama decided to rescue Hera.
That's just perpetuating the cycle.
MisterSmith
03-20-2009, 08:23 PM
That last part is a good point.
But does anyone here think they could survive in those conditions? Seriously? And these people are accustomed to even higher technology. And I'm supposed to believe that 30,000+ people decide to go "Hey, why not?" No.
It's definitely a stretch - I am with you on that. However, I can see how it would happen.
kdubya
03-20-2009, 08:26 PM
I like how they took events that seemed a big deal at the time later appear to be a red hearing, but then come back and turn out to be significant.
Like Cally's death. It seemed like a big deal at the time, then it just went away. But in a round about way her death lead them to the new Earth.
i think the writing was excellent.
That's just perpetuating the cycle.
They did perpetuate the cycle.
kdubya
03-20-2009, 08:28 PM
They got to choose where they went, had provisions and supplies to last them until they established farming... People have survived with less of an advantage. You're also assuming they had no one capable of farming among them.
That's right, Gaius is a farmer, remember.
MisterSmith
03-20-2009, 08:31 PM
New Caprica was a complete shit hole and technology had nothing to do with it.
But it is the "bad taste" that will make you think twice next time.
They kept the tech, social structure, and tried to rebuild their old life and the experiment failed miserably. And things completely sucked on New Caprica before the Cylons found them again.
Knowing that they gave it a shot once and failed might be enough to push people into trying a completely new way. Add that to years on board spaceships, being under constant attack from the Cylons, and having to mix with the native population of Earth to keep humanity alive, and it makes a better case for starting over.
kdubya
03-20-2009, 08:33 PM
Cavil is such a great bad guy
furie
03-20-2009, 08:42 PM
AND WHO THE FUCK GAVE ADAMA THE NOTE THAT SAYS THERE WERE 12 MODELS?!
probably one of the five
STC-Dub
03-20-2009, 08:51 PM
Fracking shit that was.
STC-Dub
03-20-2009, 08:56 PM
Ok, I guess it was not that bad on second thought, but the Starbuck thing was crap. Plus, there is no way everyone would agree to abandon their technology.
Doogie
03-20-2009, 10:44 PM
How long before M Nigth Shamalyan is suing Galactica for ripping him off (Hoo hoo) with their Kara Thrace explanation?? So Lee is just a grown up Haley Joel...
Doogie
03-20-2009, 10:51 PM
Also...where the fuck has Lucy Lawless been for these last few episodes?? Her character was very key there at the end of season 4 (I consider that break due to the writers strike as being two seperate seasons), and had scenes at the start of this season. Then here at the end, she is no where to be seen. What the fuck is that??
Also...where the fuck has Lucy Lawless been for these last few episodes?? Her character was very key there at the end of season 4 (I consider that break due to the writers strike as being two seperate seasons), and had scenes at the start of this season. Then here at the end, she is no where to be seen. What the fuck is that??
She stayed on the destroyed Earth.
Doogie
03-20-2009, 11:00 PM
She stayed on the destroyed Earth.
Ohhh yeah...I forgot about that. Thanks for that info partner. I need to rewatch that again. Same thing goes for Lost. I need to rewatch season 3...get all caught up on things.
kdubya
03-21-2009, 08:54 AM
Was Gaius going on to be a farmer again his redemption or his penance?
Tenbatsuzen
03-21-2009, 09:17 AM
Was Gaius going on to be a farmer again his redemption or his penance?
Considering he's back with Caprica, redemption.
The funny thing was... he was never, ever outed for causing this in the first place. Roslin kinda knew, but that plot was dropped.
pittphantoms
03-21-2009, 09:53 AM
12 hours later - I still love the ending...
I am really sad this is over, though.
Doctor Manhattan
03-21-2009, 01:25 PM
I thought it was brilliant to let the centurions go at the end...
I thought Starbuck disappearing was confusing...
I loved the free centurions thing, hated the Starbuck thing. After some time I don't mind that fact that earth 2 is our earth and we are the children of the last bit of the 12 colonies who have been running around for 4 years fighting with robots.
I still don't like the angles and god thing, but that's what Ronald D Moore is into now I guess, so be it.
Sopranos ending was shit, this was much better than shit but still feels like they didn't have a real plan. They had a great concept for a show and ran it well for all this time but couldn't properly end it. Given that, I think they did okay for a show with no real plan.
Lost has told us from the beginning that they have it all planned out, so they can not end their show like this.
pittphantoms
03-21-2009, 01:33 PM
I completely expect Lost to be a cluster-fuck.
I read more and more about how it was created - how people ended up getting roles - it makes me think there was never a plan...
Ben was supposed to be a three episode arc ... not the basis of the show. Jack was to die in the pilot... the only people who were written for when the show started was Locke and Michael. It doesn't inspire confidence.
Doogie
03-21-2009, 02:28 PM
I completely expect Lost to be a cluster-fuck.
I read more and more about how it was created - how people ended up getting roles - it makes me think there was never a plan...
Ben was supposed to be a three episode arc ... not the basis of the show. Jack was to die in the pilot... the only people who were written for when the show started was Locke and Michael. It doesn't inspire confidence.
Yeah, but if we are going to go by what should have been filmed according to what was written then in Star Wars, Luke Skywalker would be Luke Starkiller. And Han Solo would be a 7 foot green lizard like creature. Things change as scripts go along...I am in with the group that like the ending to Galactica.
Sure the part that was frustrating was Starbuk. But when you think of it, Ron Moore is smart to have done that. It will have the fans talking about it for years to come. Hell, look at all of us discussing it whether you liked it, hated it, etc. I dont know if we should merge the two discussions here at the end between those of us that love Lost and Galactica. I cant speak for the ending of Lost now. I can speak for this ending.
One thing I thought too almost "Tarentino-esque" with the finale of Galactica was the whole final shoot out scene in the CIC. All we needed was a suitcase full of coke and it would have of felt like True Romance. I enjoyed the whole battle though and how we saw Centurions on Galactica ready to storm and how they were even taking orders from Lee, Starbuck, etc.
Final summation: I enjoyed it. Sure there are things that were annoying but it was a perfect way to end a SCIENCE FICTION series. It doesnt have to be real nor succint. Just has to have an ending befitting fictional writing.
brettmojo
03-21-2009, 04:00 PM
Starbuck... Just goes... POOF*
:wallbash:
kdubya
03-21-2009, 04:14 PM
Yeah, but if we are going to go by what should have been filmed according to what was written then in Star Wars, Luke Skywalker would be Luke Starkiller. And Han Solo would be a 7 foot green lizard like creature. Things change as scripts go along...I am in with the group that like the ending to Galactica.
Sure the part that was frustrating was Starbuk. But when you think of it, Ron Moore is smart to have done that. It will have the fans talking about it for years to come. Hell, look at all of us discussing it whether you liked it, hated it, etc. I dont know if we should merge the two discussions here at the end between those of us that love Lost and Galactica. I cant speak for the ending of Lost now. I can speak for this ending.
One thing I thought too almost "Tarentino-esque" with the finale of Galactica was the whole final shoot out scene in the CIC. All we needed was a suitcase full of coke and it would have of felt like True Romance. I enjoyed the whole battle though and how we saw Centurions on Galactica ready to storm and how they were even taking orders from Lee, Starbuck, etc.
Final summation: I enjoyed it. Sure there are things that were annoying but it was a perfect way to end a SCIENCE FICTION series. It doesnt have to be real nor succint. Just has to have an ending befitting fictional writing.
I agree, leaving Starbucks fate uncertain adds to the mystique. If they answer everything than where is the fun.
Final summation: I enjoyed it. Sure there are things that were annoying but it was a perfect way to end a SCIENCE FICTION series. It doesnt have to be real nor succint. Just has to have an ending befitting fictional writing.
No, this was a perfect way to end Touched By An Angel.
Doogie
03-21-2009, 04:19 PM
No, this was a perfect way to end Touched By An Angel.
Hopefully that series ended with a conviction. Who do angels think they are just touching like mad dogs??
MisterSmith
03-21-2009, 04:26 PM
Starbuck... Just goes... POOF*
:wallbash:
I have been rehashing everything since watching the finale, and Starbuck is really the only thing that bugs me anymore.
I am also incredibly interested in what happened to the Centurions that were "freed" and flew off in the Base Star. They could have developed a hell of a lot in 150,000 years.
kdubya
03-21-2009, 04:26 PM
I loved the free centurions thing, hated the Starbuck thing. After some time I don't mind that fact that earth 2 is our earth and we are the children of the last bit of the 12 colonies who have been running around for 4 years fighting with robots.
I still don't like the angles and god thing, but that's what Ronald D Moore is into now I guess, so be it.
Sopranos ending was shit, this was much better than shit but still feels like they didn't have a real plan. They had a great concept for a show and ran it well for all this time but couldn't properly end it. Given that, I think they did okay for a show with no real plan.
Lost has told us from the beginning that they have it all planned out, so they can not end their show like this.
How can you say they didn't have a plan. Everything that happened was a direct consequence of something set up over the 4 year run.
The god angle has been around since season one. The "angel" Six has been trying to lead Gaius towards a divine power all along. In one of the first episodes she was going to reveal him as the traitor if he didn't accept the existence of a higher power.
Hera's importance has also been around since she first arrived. She has been called the key to humans survival for a long time, and in the end she turns out to be the origin of modern humanity.
The lead up to the final showdown, with Hera running through the opera house, has been in Roslin and Athena's dreams since early season two.
The deal with the Cylons falling apart was due to Cally's death in early season 4.
Kara's connection to the song has been around all season.
The part the five would play has also been around since season 2.
If anything there was a pretty complex plan.
kdubya
03-21-2009, 04:31 PM
No, this was a perfect way to end Touched By An Angel.
Religious ideology has been a part of science fiction for a long time. Why are people having such a hard time with it showing up in BSG (the original BSG was very heavy handed Mormon mythology)
I agree, leaving Starbucks fate uncertain adds to the mystique. If they answer everything than where is the fun.
There's no mystique. There's nothing. No hints, nothing to go on. How did her corpse and old Viper end up on destroyed Earth? How did she come back? Where did she come from? There's nothing to go on. The explanation is either God did it or idle speculation based on nothing that happened in the show. To reference the Sopranos again, at least David Chase left some hints in foreshadowing as to what happened to Tony. You can guess based on things that happened on the show. Starbuck came back, her body was on destroyed Earth somehow, and that's all you have to go on. No hint of how.
I'm less annoyed at the religious aspect to all this than i was last night. I was probably willing to accept a lot of it actually. The head Six and Baltar being angels was fine with me. I might even be able to swallow the ridiculous nuke launch. But using God as a blanket excuse not to explain all th loose ends was incredibly lazy.
The Opera thing as an example. Had they not spliced in parts of the vision in with what happened in the finale would anyone have noticed that's what the vision was symbolizing? I highly doubt it. It didn't work on its own, the viewer had to be led into it because it made no sense. Roslin and Athena were central in the vision and had no purpose in what actually happened. If they had not been there would that scene have been any different? No. And was there any meaning to the vision being in an Opera house when the reality happened on the bridge? I have no clue but maybe I'm missing the symbolism. It seems to me like they had to reference that vision, it was too important to be forgotten but they had no idea how to do it and shoe-horned it in the finale. That nothing that happened on the bridge was believable to me at all only reinforces this to me. Tyrol's actions were the only thing I could somewhat believe but he can't wait 15 more seconds to choke that bitch? He's going to fuck over the fleet once again after what he did a few episodes back?
kdubya
03-21-2009, 04:32 PM
I have been rehashing everything since watching the finale, and Starbuck is really the only thing that bugs me anymore.
I am also incredibly interested in what happened to the Centurions that were "freed" and flew off in the Base Star. They could have developed a hell of a lot in 150,000 years.
I hope they ended up at the casino planet, got hot on the blackjack table, and are living large Vegas style.
kdubya
03-21-2009, 04:42 PM
There's no mystique. There's nothing. No hints, nothing to go on.
It is 100% mystique. By leaving her fate and origin (of the Kara that came back in the season 3 finale) open it adds to the aura of who and what she was. That is the very definition of mystique.
With in the context of the show, it is not far fetched to say she died on earth after disappearing in the storm. The power that used the "angel" Gaius and Six also used her and her Viper as a tool to lead the survivors to their ultimate destination. The Kara that was in season 4 was an "angel" Kara.
You may not like it, but it is not a far fetched idea given how the series played out.
I like things being a little open ended but you have to leave some kind of hints. For Starbuck it's either she's the Jesus character and God did it, which is a complete explanation in and of itself, or......... there's really nothing else that could offer an explanation. What Baltar said was all the explanation there was.
And this Starbuck thing is proof enough that they didn't have a firm idea of how they were ending this. I remember either reading or hearing RDM say int he podcast for the episode where Starbuck dead that it wasn't planned, that he pitched it in that season's writer's retreat and everyone liked it so they went for it. Seeing how central she was to the conclusion makes it hard to believe that everything in the finale was planned. I mean he obviously had an idea where this was going. Not only was the religious stuff present all the way back to the miniseries but also the anti-technology bent. This isn't necessarily a bad thing but they came up with a lot on the fly.
kdubya
03-21-2009, 07:30 PM
I really like that the final episode shows that Gaius wasn't all that bad a guy.
stinkbud
03-21-2009, 08:01 PM
And if Kara is an angel or Jesus or something, what does that make her Viper? Viper Jesus?
Thats it...I hereby denounce my faith in all religion and swear allegiance to Viper Jesus.
May Viper Jesus bless and keep you.
I really like that the final episode shows that Gaius wasn't all that bad a guy.
I agree. Although now I'm wondering what the hell happened to that subplot where his cult got all those weapons. That happened and then it was like it never happened.
Tenbatsuzen
03-21-2009, 09:35 PM
I hope they ended up at the casino planet, got hot on the blackjack table, and are living large Vegas style.
ENOUGH ABOUT THE CASINO PLANET!
Tenbatsuzen
03-21-2009, 09:36 PM
I agree. Although now I'm wondering what the hell happened to that subplot where his cult got all those weapons. That happened and then it was like it never happened.
Baltar's rant about "MORE WEAPONS! BIGGER WEAPONS!" is one of my high points of the show.
EJO, Callis, and Hogan all had the best lines of the show.
Judge Smails
03-21-2009, 10:24 PM
I liked it. Was it perfect? No. Are you going to be able to make everyone happy? No. That being said, anyone who's complaining about all the "god" talk couldn't have enjoyed the series that much because that theme was always there. A lot of unexplainable stuff happened, prophesies came true and other general leaps of faith were required of the characters and viewers. That's been there all along.
As far as abandoning their technology - it's plausible for the reasons already stated by people here. Do I think it would have been agreed upon so easily? Probably not. But would you like to have sat through four more episodes where nothing happened but political discussions about taking that course of action? Pretty anticlimatic as a finale goes - don't you think?
The finale did a good job of bringing everything full circle (ie. the opera house) not only to the start of the series but to the original series. In fact, I think you really need to look at the original series to get some answers to what happened.
Did everyone catch that they ran the theme from the original series as the ships were sent into the sun? You think that was just a random homage? Remember this from the original series?:
There are those who believe that life here began out there, far across the universe, with tribes of humans who may have been the forefathers of the Egyptians, or the Toltecs, or the Mayans. Some believe that there may yet be brothers of man who even now fight to survive somewhere beyond the heavens
As I watched it I really thought that what was happening had more to do with the original series than anything they ever did. Sure, it's bothersome that the Starbuck thing was left up in the air. But if you want to look for a possible answer and you follow my logic of looking at the original series then look into the Ship of Lights. In the orginal series Apollo died and was brought back to life by the Ship of Lights. He was in all white including his Viper and they implanted him with the coordinates to Earth too. Sound familar? If you never saw the original then look it up. They even had five white cloaked figures. Again - sound familar?
Starbuck's painting:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_sJmpiYbaE9E/SBrYkea6MyI/AAAAAAAAAc8/me8CJD7Q4tg/s320/ship1.jpg
Ship of Light from the original series:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_sJmpiYbaE9E/SBrZTOa6M0I/AAAAAAAAAdM/SujEaBDPGLo/s320/Shipoflights.jpg
STC-Dub
03-22-2009, 11:29 AM
I though Starbuck was the one in the Ship of Lights episode not Apollo.
furie
03-22-2009, 12:32 PM
I though Starbuck was the one in the Ship of Lights episode not Apollo.
nope, it was Apollo
furie
03-22-2009, 12:33 PM
So, what exactly was the Plan? I thought the cylons had a plan.
So, what exactly was the Plan? I thought the cylons had a plan.
They made a movie about just that that will air in the Fall I think.
furie
03-22-2009, 03:42 PM
http://io9.com/5178837/spike-and-angel-debate-the-bsg-finale
it is an interesting argument
pittphantoms
03-22-2009, 07:06 PM
I just finished reading "Emergency" the book by the guy who wrote "the Game" who was on O&A the other day - and I kept thinking the whole time how horrible of a decision some of these "survivors" made in BSG. I wonder how long many of them lived at all... but then I did think how New Caprica would have prepared them at least somewhat to survive.
Reflecting more - how sad was the ending for Lee? He loses pops AND Starbuck in a matter of seconds...
STC-Dub
03-22-2009, 07:11 PM
I was thinking the same thing. His pregnant girl friend killed herself, his brother died in a crash, his wife killer herself, his father takes off and then his best friend vanishes into thin air.
STC-Dub
03-22-2009, 07:13 PM
nope, it was Apollo
I would have though I could remember something from 19 years ago better,:wallbash:
Tenbatsuzen
03-22-2009, 07:16 PM
I was thinking the same thing. His pregnant girl friend killed herself, his brother died in a crash, his wife killer herself, his father takes off and then his best friend vanishes into thin air.
Pregnant GF didn't kill herself. That was a theory I put out there. He left his pregnant GF on Caprica and she died in the attack.
It seems that everyone got the happy ending except for the Adamas.
STC-Dub
03-22-2009, 07:20 PM
Pregnant GF didn't kill herself. That was a theory I put out there. He left his pregnant GF on Caprica and she died in the attack.
It seems that everyone got the happy ending except for the Adamas.
And Saul, he had to spend the rest of his life with Helen. And the Chief really didn't make out too well.
Judge Smails
03-22-2009, 07:23 PM
I'm gonna have to say Roslin got the worst ending.
Tenbatsuzen
03-22-2009, 07:34 PM
And Saul, he had to spend the rest of his life with Helen. And the Chief really didn't make out too well.
Chief chose his fate. And Saul wound up with Helen because he loved her. I think the flashback for Adama was more to establish how much Helen really loved Saul, rather than Adama's retirement.
It's funny, though. Adama gets pissed because someone questions his word... and yet his first rousing speech to motivate the Fleet... is one gigantic lie.
STC-Dub
03-22-2009, 08:11 PM
I was being sarcastic about Saul. As for the Chief he chose to live alone but he still had to deal with the fact that he killed someone. Saw the murder of his wife, and loved a kid that turned out not to be his and was totally used by the "woman" he loved. Plus, he pretty much destroyed the cylon race when he killed what's her name.
Doogie
03-22-2009, 08:25 PM
when he killed what's her name.
Torrie??
STC-Dub
03-22-2009, 08:39 PM
Yeah, I was drwing a total blank for some reason. :thumbdown:
FMJeff
03-22-2009, 10:45 PM
beautiful ending to what i consider to be the greatest science fiction series ever made.
hands down perfection.
Tenbatsuzen
03-22-2009, 11:19 PM
beautiful ending to what i consider to be the greatest science fiction series ever made.
hands down perfection.
Heart-singing ensued?
pittphantoms
03-23-2009, 04:34 AM
I'm gonna have to say Roslin got the worst ending.
Seriously, I am going to have to disagree. I think she got the best. That new world with no skill set would be a brutal life. I always think she went out on top. How awful will Baltar's life be from here on out? He brings nothing to the table anymore.
Also, who really believes Adama didn't take the Raptor out eventually. I know I would be checking out all the colonies one last time to see if there were any survivors. It was one of the things that annoyed me the most in the entire series. Why didn't they ever CHECK and see if there were any people remaining out there. Nuke a planet all you want - SOME will survive... they may be hillbillies - but they are people.
kdubya
03-23-2009, 06:03 AM
beautiful ending to what i consider to be the greatest science fiction series ever made.
hands down perfection.
I pretty much agree. Not every aspect of the final episode was perfect, but I think it was a perfect way to end the series.
I liked the flashbacks being used to show the ultimate fate of the various charecters. Some were a little heavy handed, Lee watching the bird fly away comes to mind, but I thought it was a nice way of bringing the charcter arcs full circle.
I can't wait to go back and rewatch the series.
Furtherman
03-23-2009, 06:09 AM
Great ending. I thought it wrapped up - pretty much - everything well. I'm not crazy about Starbuck just disappearing like that either, but it makes sense in the overall scope of the series. It was well done and I look forward to watching it all again.
Two people I wanted to know about though... The Deanna Cylon (Lawless), stayed on nuked Earth? I don't recall that scene or was it just mentioned?
And what happened to Seelix?! I remember her setting up Anders for an ambush about 3 or four episodes ago and then ... just gone?
I knew it, Earth wasn't Earth.
Here is my theory - nuked Earth was our Earth. However, remember the Cylon base was above a black hole. When Starbuck punched in the jump coordinates, the fleet jumped through the black hole and into the past. So we were able to re-populate Earth - again. All this has happened before.... jump to 150,000 years later, and we see that the cycle is starting again.
Furtherman
03-23-2009, 07:42 AM
Here is an excellent interview with Ronald D. Moore and it clears up a few things - about how they put the ending together, what was planned and Starbuck. (http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/03/battlestar-galactica-daybreak-finale-moore-mcdonnell-olmos.html)
It also trashed my previous theory about the black hole:
MR: I went back and watched the closing moments of "Crossroads, Part 2" again, and the final image is of a planet that looks a lot like Earth. How does that fit in to what we see in "Daybreak"? Can you walk me through that?
RDM: That was all specifically thought out. The planet that you see at the end of "Crossroads" is this planet that we stand on. It has the North American continent and the South American [continent], it's very clear, we wanted it to be visually easy to identify for everybody.
Kara takes them to both Earths, as a matter of fact. She takes them to the original Earth, which, when we showed it in Revelations, we were careful to never quite be able to identify the land masses from orbit. We wanted you to accept it as Earth, and most people assumed it was this Earth, but we didn't want to flat out mislead you, so we didn't want to have it look like North America too.
MR: So Kara comes back in "Crossroads," she says, "I've been to Earth"…
RDM: She had been to that Earth. The original Earth.
MR: The crispy Earth.
RDM: She guided the fleet to get there. She takes us to that. That's part of her experience that she remembers. She remembers traveling there, seeing there, and comes back to the fleet saying, "I know how to get to that place."
In the finale, she makes an intuitive leap connecting the music as coordinates, enters the into the jump computer and those coordinates take us to the second Earth, this place.
I can buy that. In fact, after reading all of the interview I appreciate the finale even more. I've got to see it again!
There is another review over on io9.com - As Battlestar Ends, God Is In the Details (http://io9.com/5178522/as-battlestar-ends-god-is-in-the-details)
And I really like this look on what Head Baltar and Caprica could be, considering Baltar mentioned "God" in Times Square and Caprica says "IT doesn't like to be called that."
But I want to suggest that there is a counter-story here, too, which relies on the idea that any technology sufficiently advanced looks like magic. Though our "angels" and "God" come dressed in the trappings of spiritualism, they could just as plausibly be benevolent but meddlesome aliens who take a kindly interest in primitives like ourselves.
While these aliens help guide us, they do not control our destiny. In fact, BSG makes a pretty passionate case for human self-determination. The humans of the 12 colonies have all used science to create life, in the form of cylons. And although those cylons are humans' downfall in the short term, they turn out to be humanity's salvation in the long term. They're the creatures humans must merge with in order to take civilization in a new direction. Looked at from that perspective, humans on Earth today are the genetically-engineered (or simply engineered) creation of an earlier species. They prove that our species is not the result of some kind of divine intervention, but is quite emphatically the result of scientific intervention mixed with a little random evolution.
Can these two accounts of humanity be hybridized, or are they simply contradictory? That we can ask that kind of question after watching Battlestar Galactica's final episode is ultimately is lure of this series. It offers no pat answers. We must decide.
MisterSmith
03-23-2009, 11:50 AM
Here is an excellent interview with Ronald D. Moore and it clears up a few things - about how they put the ending together, what was planned and Starbuck. (http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/03/battlestar-galactica-daybreak-finale-moore-mcdonnell-olmos.html)
It also trashed my previous theory about the black hole:
I can buy that. In fact, after reading all of the interview I appreciate the finale even more. I've got to see it again!
There is another review over on io9.com - As Battlestar Ends, God Is In the Details (http://io9.com/5178522/as-battlestar-ends-god-is-in-the-details)
And I really like this look on what Head Baltar and Caprica could be, considering Baltar mentioned "God" in Times Square and Caprica says "IT doesn't like to be called that."
Great articles Budday - thanks for posting them! :thumbup:
The first one is pretty long and I am still digging through it, but the interview with Ron Moore really helped me feel better about the couple of sticking points I had. And the second article is an excellent companion piece with some very cool insight.
I definitely need to watch the entire finale one or two more times.
STC-Dub
03-23-2009, 02:23 PM
Seriously, I am going to have to disagree. I think she got the best. That new world with no skill set would be a brutal life. I always think she went out on top. How awful will Baltar's life be from here on out? He brings nothing to the table anymore.
Also, who really believes Adama didn't take the Raptor out eventually. I know I would be checking out all the colonies one last time to see if there were any survivors. It was one of the things that annoyed me the most in the entire series. Why didn't they ever CHECK and see if there were any people remaining out there. Nuke a planet all you want - SOME will survive... they may be hillbillies - but they are people.
I agree. She died happy. I was also bothered that they never checked for survivors on the other 11 colonies.
furie
03-23-2009, 03:31 PM
I agree. Although now I'm wondering what the hell happened to that subplot where his cult got all those weapons. That happened and then it was like it never happened.
this show was full of subplots that went no where or were placed in there for no reason. that's one thing that i hated about the show
this show was full of subplots that went no where or were placed in there for no reason. that's one thing that i hated about the show
That one really bugs me because they went out of their way to insert it 4 episodes before the finale. I mean if you don't explain something that happened early in season 3 so be it. But why introduce a subplot so late in the game that goes nowhere?
brettmojo
03-23-2009, 08:17 PM
I agree. Although now I'm wondering what the hell happened to that subplot where his cult got all those weapons. That happened and then it was like it never happened.
The Sons of Aries had bigger ones. The End.
Doogie
03-23-2009, 08:27 PM
That one really bugs me because they went out of their way to insert it 4 episodes before the finale. I mean if you don't explain something that happened early in season 3 so be it. But why introduce a subplot so late in the game that goes nowhere?
I'll be honest and think that sub-plot was put in not to add another element of danger, or even add to the plot. I believe that gesture was to show more that although Adama, Roslin and others still didnt trust Baltar for spit, they also knew that he was right. And that there were still a redeming quality to the man, albeit one that always looked out for himself, he was making efforts to protect others. Or so it seemed to those characters. I believe it was more along the lines that Adama was prepared to allow people to have the chance to defend themselves to the death if that need arose.
Basically in the end, this sub-plot had no need to be explored further considering that Baltar in the end was one of the guys who stayed till the end. In spite off all he did, and it proved to be extremely beneficial to everyone aboard the Galactica.
That is my perspective on that whole sub-plot...
You guys are probably sick of my complaints but I have one more thing. There were quite a bit of children left in the fleet. It's one thing for a fleet full of adults to throw away everything they have and live that way, but what kind of parent is going to willingly subject their children to the brutal kind of life that was facing them.
Like I said before I'm having much more trouble swallowing the stupid and unbelievable decisions characters were making in the finale more than any religious aspect.
jforce
03-24-2009, 05:56 AM
You guys are probably sick of my complaints but I have one more thing. There were quite a bit of children left in the fleet. It's one thing for a fleet full of adults to throw away everything they have and live that way, but what kind of parent is going to willingly subject their children to the brutal kind of life that was facing them.
Like I said before I'm having much more trouble swallowing the stupid and unbelievable decisions characters were making in the finale more than any religious aspect.
Agreed. Why waste it all? I liked the episode for the first hour, but then the whole landing and drawn out settling-in was a bit mind-boggling ...:sad:
STC-Dub
03-24-2009, 03:40 PM
I do not know I agree with what I am going to say but there is logic in it. The first time they started over again they were found by the cylons because of technology -- the bomb blowing up Cloud Nine. The parents could convince themselves that by abandoning technology they are actually protecting their kids by decreasing the chances that the cylons find them.
Furtherman
03-25-2009, 08:42 AM
I do not know I agree with what I am going to say but there is logic in it. The first time they started over again they were found by the cylons because of technology -- the bomb blowing up Cloud Nine. The parents could convince themselves that by abandoning technology they are actually protecting their kids by decreasing the chances that the cylons find them.
I like that logic. They had to break the cycle. Adama presented two options - stay on the planet or fly into the sun with the rest of the fleet. It makes sense i the storyline that people would choose to start over, with a clean slate.
Freitag
03-25-2009, 10:44 AM
One thing I was thinking about that kind annoyed me.
When Pegasus was destroyed, it was gone in about 2 seconds. Just took shots from two basestars and that was it.
Galactica, which had the crap kicked out of it 1000x more than Pegasus, took a POUNDING and still lasted over an advanced Battlestar.
What's up with that?
Furtherman
03-25-2009, 10:52 AM
I'd say because Pegasus took more missile and maybe nuke hit because it was flying towards the Basestars, plus it rammed the one at, I'd guess, full speed.
Whereas Galactica jumped right on top of the Basestar and only took cannon fire, which it was probably more equipped to take than larger weapons.
But you're right, it did take a pounding and I didn't think she was going to make it.
MisterSmith
03-25-2009, 11:10 AM
One thing I was thinking about that kind annoyed me.
When Pegasus was destroyed, it was gone in about 2 seconds. Just took shots from two basestars and that was it.
Galactica, which had the crap kicked out of it 1000x more than Pegasus, took a POUNDING and still lasted over an advanced Battlestar.
What's up with that?
I'd say because Pegasus took more missile and maybe nuke hit because it was flying towards the Basestars, plus it rammed the one at, I'd guess, full speed.
Whereas Galactica jumped right on top of the Basestar and only took cannon fire, which it was probably more equipped to take than larger weapons.
But you're right, it did take a pounding and I didn't think she was going to make it.
I think Furtherman is right in that Galactica didn't take the same kind of pounding that Pegasus did, and that allowed it to survive longer. Well, that and the fact that the show is named after Galactica and not Pegasus.
I was also thinking that some of the Cylon improvements may have helped Galactica survive, although I don't know if they did anything to the external armor like they did to the internal superstructure.
brettmojo
03-25-2009, 11:57 AM
Don't really have any interest in Caprica... But if I was making a Galactica prequel spinoff I'd focus on what happened to the final five from the destruction of original Earth to the destruction of the 12 colonies.
Gmann
03-25-2009, 11:57 AM
Galactica was getting nailed with constant cannon fire. If it wasn't as close to the Cylon colony as it was it probably would have gotten fired upon with nukes and lasted about 4 seconds after jumping in.
kdubya
03-25-2009, 07:10 PM
Don't really have any interest in Caprica... But if I was making a Galactica prequel spinoff I'd focus on what happened to the final five from the destruction of original Earth to the destruction of the 12 colonies.
I'd watch that show
STC-Dub
03-25-2009, 07:50 PM
I'll give it a shot, but I am not going to buy the pilot.
EliSnow
03-29-2009, 12:45 PM
I finally watched the finale. I frakking loved it. No real surprises in how it ended, but it was done really, really well.
EliSnow
03-29-2009, 01:00 PM
Considering he's back with Caprica, redemption.
The funny thing was... he was never, ever outed for causing this in the first place. Roslin kinda knew, but that plot was dropped.
Dropped? She almost let him die but then saved him. I think in making that choice, she chose not to seek vengeance or justice for what he did. Given that she chose not to reveal it to anyone later.
Drunky McBetidont
03-29-2009, 04:43 PM
best show on tv ever, EVER.
fuck yourselves.
STC-Dub
03-29-2009, 07:33 PM
best show on tv ever, EVER.
fuck yourselves.
Shouldn't that be frack yourselves?
Furtherman
03-30-2009, 07:37 AM
The Battlestar ending you didn't see, where Galactica herself played a surprise role (http://scifiwire.com/2009/03/the-battlestar-ending-you.php#more)
In this version of the story, the Galactica herself ends up on Earth instead of being flown into the sun, and she also manages to show up in our present-day timeline:
"There was a point in the development process where we discussed the idea of the Galactica not being destroyed, but having somehow landed on the surface more or less intact, but unable to ever get into orbit again (the particulars here were never worked out, so don't ask how she made it down without being torn apart). We talked about them basically abandoning the ship and moving out into the world.
"Cut to the present-day in Central America where there are these enormous mysterious mounds that archeologists have not been able to understand (it may have been South America, I can't recall the exact location, but these mounds really do exist). Someone is doing a new kind of survey of the mounds with some kind of ground-penetrating radar or something and lo and behold, we see the outlines of the Galactica still buried under the surface."
After watching the finale again, I still liked it, despite the whole Starbuck thing. I also felt really bad for Tyrol. He goes off to live in Scotland by himself? He got really screwed.
And one other thing - when they show Adama taking a lie detector test for a civilian job. They ask if he's a Cylon. But it wasn't established that Cylons looked human until the attack on the colonies, correct? That was a glaring mistake.
kdubya
03-30-2009, 07:43 AM
[URL="http://scifiwire.com/2009/03/the-battlestar-ending-you.php#more"]
And one other thing - when they show Adama taking a lie detector test for a civilian job. They ask if he's a Cylon. But it wasn't established that Cylons looked human until the attack on the colonies, correct? That was a glaring mistake.
It's not a mistake. When asking questions on a lie detector they ask over the top questions to determine a baseline for when they are telling the truth. So them asking are you a cylon make sense in that circumstance.
Furtherman
03-30-2009, 07:52 AM
It's not a mistake. When asking questions on a lie detector they ask over the top questions to determine a baseline for when they are telling the truth. So them asking are you a cylon make sense in that circumstance.
So they asked if he was the old school toaster Cylon, because that's all the knew about them at the time.
kdubya
03-30-2009, 08:59 AM
So they asked if he was the old school toaster Cylon, because that's all the knew about them at the time.
That is my guess. It would be so obvious that he wasn't, so It would be a sure fire way to see how he responds to a truthfull response.
At that point in the test they are setting baselines. During a lie detector test they ask a ton of questions before getting to the point. They didn't want to know if he was a cylon, they needed to set baseline responses.
Furtherman
03-30-2009, 09:58 AM
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Furtherman
03-30-2009, 01:52 PM
And what happened to Seelix?! I remember her setting up Anders for an ambush about 3 or four episodes ago and then ... just gone?
I found out the answer to my question on Battlestarwiki.
Seelix later confesses to Anders that she feels her prior relationship with him was a fabrication since he is a Cylon. He attempts to explain that his emotions were genuine at the time, but she is merely distracting him. Several kidnappers come, cover his face, and beat Anders. Seelix and the men are participants in the mutiny led by Felix Gaeta (The Oath).
The mutiny is thwarted, and Seelix survives to be imprisoned with the other surviving mutineers on the Astral Queen[2].
Weeks later, Admiral Adama offers the mutineers their freedom in exchange for participating in what is essentially a suicide mission to rescue Hera Agathon from Cavil's forces. It is is unknown if Seelix accepts this offer.
Seelix's ultimate fate at the end of the series is not clear as she never appears in the final episode. One would presume that if she survived the final battle or chose not to participate, she settles with the rest of the Colonials on the planet they decide to call Earth.
I kind of wished they had some closure to her character. They showed Hotdog flyin' around during the final battle, they could have shown her!
Drunky McBetidont
03-30-2009, 02:59 PM
best show on tv ever, EVER.
frack yourselves.
fixed
STC-Dub
03-30-2009, 03:37 PM
Thaaannnk Yooooouuuuu!
Tenbatsuzen
03-30-2009, 03:54 PM
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That's not so good.
Try this:
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STC-Dub
03-30-2009, 08:31 PM
Much better.
Furtherman
03-31-2009, 06:38 AM
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EliSnow
03-31-2009, 08:01 AM
I found out the answer to my question on Battlestarwiki.
I kind of wished they had some closure to her character. They showed Hotdog flyin' around during the final battle, they could have shown her!
I would have liked to have seen her take a bullet during the mutiny. I think her primary reason for taking part in the mutiny was her feelings of being dumped by Anders cause he started hooking up Torrie.
For some reason, I dislike those mutineers who acted out of personal feelings or personal gain like Zarek, Gaeta and Seelix, than those who really hated Cylons and were unable to deal with living with them.
Furtherman
03-31-2009, 08:07 AM
I would have liked to have seen her take a bullet during the mutiny.
Yea, even that would have been a better closure then just not knowing what happened to her. I would liked to have seen Racetrack survive too. I think the only pilot we see is Hotdog in the final battle.
EliSnow
03-31-2009, 08:14 AM
Yea, even that would have been a better closure then just not knowing what happened to her. I would liked to have seen Racetrack survive too. I think the only pilot we see is Hotdog in the final battle.
I'm okay with not seeing how everyone ended up. It would have been nice, but at the same time, it would have seemed a little to trite to show everyone.
So, do you think they left the people on the Astral Queen in Australia?
Freitag
03-31-2009, 08:27 AM
I'm okay with not seeing how everyone ended up. It would have been nice, but at the same time, it would have seemed a little to trite to show everyone.
So, do you think they left the people on the Astral Queen in Australia?
I don't think all of them.
I think the really violent offenders with life sentences would have been sent off, but I could see Lampkin pardoning those who took place in the mutiny (as long as they didn't kill anyone)
EliSnow
03-31-2009, 08:32 AM
I don't think all of them.
I think the really violent offenders with life sentences would have been sent off, but I could see Lampkin pardoning those who took place in the mutiny (as long as they didn't kill anyone)
Sent off where?
My question really was rhetorical, as to whether the Astral Queen convicts were sent to the same place that English prisoners were sent 149,000 or so years later.
Furtherman
03-31-2009, 08:34 AM
And Tyrol is the first Highlander!
STC-Dub
03-31-2009, 03:51 PM
They did mention settling some people on a southern continent that had no people. Also by the time they made planet fall Lee was back as President so it would have been his choice to pardon people not Lampkins.
EliSnow
03-31-2009, 03:54 PM
They did mention settling some people on a southern continent that had no people. Also by the time they made planet fall Lee was back as President so it would have been his choice to pardon people not Lampkins.
Are you sure about Lee being President?
Freitag
04-02-2009, 04:09 AM
They did mention settling some people on a southern continent that had no people. Also by the time they made planet fall Lee was back as President so it would have been his choice to pardon people not Lampkins.
Are you sure about Lee being President?
Lee was most definitely not president. Otherwise Lampkin wouldn't have been involved as much with the colonization.
Plus Lee was in BSG fatigues on the planet.
EliSnow
04-02-2009, 04:21 AM
Lee was most definitely not president. Otherwise Lampkin wouldn't have been involved as much with the colonization.
Plus Lee was in BSG fatigues on the planet.
That's what I thought. We saw Yoshi giving back the admiral pips to Adama, but they never had Lampkin saying that Lee was President again.
pittphantoms
04-02-2009, 05:12 AM
That's what I thought. We saw Yoshi giving back the admiral pips to Adama, but they never had Lampkin saying that Lee was President again.
Lee really did get the second worst fate of any survivor - other than Chief who imposed it upon himself.
I can't help feeling sad every time I think of this ending. I know after years of being on a ship being on a planet would be amazing - I just cant imagine not being able to get back on the ship and trying to find anyone else from the previous existence... I would have to go back to Caprica just to be SURE - and to see what once was - one more time.
STC-Dub
04-02-2009, 07:45 PM
But Lee was the one who decided they should not build a city. I guess he might not have been president but he made the biggest decision in the final episode.
EliSnow
04-03-2009, 06:10 AM
But Lee was the one who decided they should not build a city. I guess he might not have been president but he made the biggest decision in the final episode.
He didn't make the decision -- he came up with the idea. The decision was made by everyone, which is why Lampkin was stunned that people went along with the idea, and Adm. Adama said don't underestimate the will to start with a blank slate.
Freitag
04-03-2009, 06:22 AM
Lee really did get the second worst fate of any survivor
That is what bothers me the most. Out of all the characters in BSG, Lee was the most upstanding. The rescue on New Caprica doesn't work unless Lee disregards his father's orders.
I would probably assume that someone like Lee wouldn't be alone for too long. He'd probably heal from his loss of his father, Dee, and Starbuck. In my mind's eye, I could see him ending up with Sonja.
EliSnow
04-04-2009, 12:54 PM
I went back and watched the Last Frakkin' Special of BSG. I liked it a lot. Not really different that any other type of special like that, but it's always amazing when the creators, cast, etc. of a show really, really love the show, their characters, etc. Says a lot about the show.
Plus, I didn't realize that the actor playing Hotdog was Edward James Olmos' real life son.
FMJeff
04-05-2009, 06:49 AM
Here's my feelings on the abandoning technology and starting over. If you abandon technology as a society, you will inevitably have to create it again to survive. Technology creates tools, tools help us do a better job. It's not the tools that are bad, it's the people that wield them.
We lost everything we had learned....not just technology...but our societal lessons. That was the biggest error in their concept. If you don't have technology, you can't preserve what you've learned!!! Over time, the entire Cylon/Man war would've been absorbed into mythology and distilled into general axioms, ultimately forgotten.
There are so many benefits to starting over with Colonial technology as it was. Humanity would have a permanent record of how we arrived at this planet and why. Those records could have helped us connect with the universe as a whole. The societal and technological knowledge could have helped us avoid crusades, wars, holocausts, pollution, famine, intolerance.
We were at THE PERFECT POINT in our evolution the minute we settled on Earth. We were a victorious people, but that victory was tempered with great humility and respect. We understood the implications of too much technology and we were ready to start over fresh.
Think about it....150,000 years later and we're JUST starting to accept interracial marriage...just starting to begin to deal with homosexual marriage....just starting to figure out we're poisoning our planet with our technology...tackling the issues of religion and politics...of technology and politics.
When they took that away from us, they basically rebooted humanity and hoped the dynamic wouldn't happen again. It was the worst decision ever made.
Furtherman
04-06-2009, 06:39 AM
When they took that away from us, they basically rebooted humanity and hoped the dynamic wouldn't happen again. It was the worst decision ever made.
Well said. I didn't take away an "anti-technology" message from the finale. Just that the cycle was starting again.
pittphantoms
04-06-2009, 06:45 AM
WOW
FMJEFF just hit it out of the park.
Great post
EliSnow
04-09-2009, 05:28 AM
Thinking about the final episode and Lee and Kara, I suddenly wondered if those two ever frakked. I thought they had during the third season, but then I remembered that they were having issues, because Lee didn't want to cheat on Dee and wanted Kara to divorce Sam, but Kara thought divorce was a sin, so she wouldn't do that.
So without going back and rewatching Season 3, did they?
If they didn't, they really had some bad timing on their hands.
Furtherman
04-09-2009, 05:43 AM
Thinking about the final episode and Lee and Kara, I suddenly wondered if those two ever frakked.
Oh yea. On New Caprica. Afterwards Lee was yelling "I LOVE KARA THRACE!!!" into the night.
When he woke up the next morning, Kara had married Anders. Major burn.
EliSnow
04-09-2009, 05:48 AM
Oh yea. On New Caprica. Afterwards Lee was yelling "I LOVE KARA THRACE!!!" into the night.
When he woke up the next morning, Kara had married Anders. Major burn.
Oh yeah, that's right. Thanks.
Doctor Manhattan
04-09-2009, 06:06 AM
WOW
FMJEFF just hit it out of the park.
Great post
Yes, I was on the fence and Jeff really made a good point. Ronald D Moore created a wonderful show but did not know how to end it.
EliSnow
04-09-2009, 06:45 AM
Yes, I was on the fence and Jeff really made a good point. Ronald D Moore created a wonderful show but did not know how to end it.
What do you mean? Even with Jeff's ideas, it means the show ended by showing that they made a mistake.
It's not a good ending unless they show that the colonists actually broke the cycle?
One of the great things about the show was the "greyness" of the show. The good guys were shown doing bad, selfish, and stupid things. Some of the bad guys actually became good guys, but they too were flawed.
Just because they had that ending, I don't think we should assume that Moore was making a point that they made the right decision.
Doctor Manhattan
04-09-2009, 12:19 PM
Yes, I was on the fence and Jeff really made a good point. Ronald D Moore created a wonderful show but did not know how to end it.
What do you mean? Even with Jeff's ideas, it means the show ended by showing that they made a mistake.
I do not literally mean he did not end the show or did not know how to have it stop running.
I meant I do not think he planned far enough in advance of the show's finale to properly conclude his story.
He created one of my favorite shows of all time (next to Lost and MST3k, it's probably #3 if I had to rank them, definitely in my top 5 even with the lame ending!) he turned it from a simply remake to a fantastic showcase for good writing and acting. He transcended the common Sci-fi conventions and built a complex, "realistic" universe that I enjoyed watching. The ending does not fit with his creation, it deserves more.
EliSnow
04-14-2009, 01:40 PM
I do not literally mean he did not end the show or did not know how to have it stop running.
I meant I do not think he planned far enough in advance of the show's finale to properly conclude his story.
He created one of my favorite shows of all time (next to Lost and MST3k, it's probably #3 if I had to rank them, definitely in my top 5 even with the lame ending!) he turned it from a simply remake to a fantastic showcase for good writing and acting. He transcended the common Sci-fi conventions and built a complex, "realistic" universe that I enjoyed watching. The ending does not fit with his creation, it deserves more.
I'm well aware of what you meant. My point is that FMJeff's point doesn't mean he didn't end it properly, it just means he didn't end it with them making the right call for their people.
FMJeff made some good points, and maybe the point Moore had is that the deciion they made was a mistake, like other mistakes they made before. I think the ending does fit with his creation. The way he ended it doesn't make it less realistic or complex. If anything showing them make the wrong move (abandoning techonology) may be more realistic. Humanity often learns the wrong lesson from things.
EliSnow
04-14-2009, 01:41 PM
AICN has a page with video from the BSG crew visiting the United Nations. (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40756)
Doctor Manhattan
04-17-2009, 08:26 AM
...My point is that FMJeff's point doesn't mean he didn't end it properly, it just means he didn't end it with them making the right call for their people...
I am about to re-watch the finale (final 3 hours) with Ron's commentary. I gave it some time and hopefully I can see it with a new perspective.
I see your point and I see how I took Jeff's comments about how Lee's idea was flawed as another negative on how the show's ending itself was put together.
EliSnow
04-17-2009, 08:28 AM
I am about to re-watch the finale (final 3 hours) with Ron's commentary. I gave it some time and hopefully I can see it with a new perspective.
Maybe you will, maybe you won't. Either way, it's still your opinion and you may still not like it.
When I debated above, I just disagreed with that the things you pointed out made the ending bad. For me, it didn't. For you, it did.
MisterSmith
04-19-2009, 09:08 AM
I was able to "sneak preview" Caprica yesterday and I was pleasantly surprised. It was a way better story than the teaser trailers were making it look.
However, unlike the BSG miniseries which was essentially a self-contained story that was hopefully setting up a series, the Caprica pilot was very obviously the lead-in to a full series. It mainly set the stage for what is to come, creating several different plot points and leaving many questions unanswered.
Good start though - I am looking forward to next year. :thumbup:
STC-Dub
04-19-2009, 01:51 PM
Looking forward to it too, just not enough to pay to watch the pilot. I need to stop being cheap and finish buying the season of BSG I do not have -- 3 and 4.
EliSnow
04-21-2009, 06:06 AM
Series comes out on Blu-Ray on July 28th. (http://www.newsarama.com/tv/040921-BSG-Season4-5.html)
Freitag
04-21-2009, 06:22 AM
Whatever gave you that idea? I fully expect this to end with everyone hooking up and everyone happy on New Earth.
Me, from January 30th. I'm actually surprised how on-target I was with this one, especially since I used the term "New Earth" - at that point, we still believed they landed on "our Earth".
EliSnow
04-21-2009, 06:28 AM
Me, from January 30th. I'm actually surprised how on-target I was with this one, especially since I used the term "New Earth" - at that point, we still believed they landed on "our Earth".
I don't thnk "everyone was hooking up and happy."
EliSnow
04-21-2009, 06:32 AM
Speaking of Matty Predictions
Edward James Olmos as Adama?!?
Number Six?!!? (be seeing you...)
STARBUCK IS ACTUALLY STARDOE?!!?
Boomer is no longer a large black man, but a hot, cute asian girl?
Please tell me this is all a bad dream... at least the Viper and Cylon designs are still the same...
<a href="http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/cast/">Sci Fi.com's New Battlestar Galactica Website</a>
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/6287/starbuckoath.jpg
pittphantoms
04-21-2009, 11:25 AM
http://hijinksensue.com/comics/2009-04-20-the-tighs-that-blind.jpg
This website someone pointed out the other day in the Serenity thread - hijinksensue.com - they have some great comics... saw this one today and thought it was appropriate
When you get down to it - the last time you are going to see a number of people from this series is at frackin conventions.
Doctor Manhattan
04-22-2009, 02:16 PM
Maybe you will, maybe you won't. Either way, it's still your opinion and you may still not like it.
When I debated above, I just disagreed with that the things you pointed out made the ending bad. For me, it didn't. For you, it did.
I rewatched it with Ron's commentary. I still did not like it but not for the choice that the survivors of the series made (to ditch all their technology and start over on our Earth)
Ron Moore repeatedly in his podcasts talks about how he did not plan things out and how things have just fallen into place (for example the Opera house footage from 2 seasons ago was used in the finale as a mirror to what was happening with Hera, Athena, Roslin, Six and Baltar. It may look like they planned that but it was just something they came up with) He's happy with that and that is cool, but the end of the series just felt like they tried to make things fit and I think the series could have ended better if it was planned in advance.
EliSnow
04-22-2009, 02:46 PM
I rewatched it with Ron's commentary. I still did not like it but not for the choice that the survivors of the series made (to ditch all their technology and start over on our Earth)
Ron Moore repeatedly in his podcasts talks about how he did not plan things out and how things have just fallen into place (for example the Opera house footage from 2 seasons ago was used in the finale as a mirror to what was happening with Hera, Athena, Roslin, Six and Baltar. It may look like they planned that but it was just something they came up with) He's happy with that and that is cool, but the end of the series just felt like they tried to make things fit and I think the series could have ended better if it was planned in advance.
That it wasn't all planned out ahead of time does not surprise me in the least. Very few things like this are and those that do usually suffer for it (B5 for example). In the end, some things definitely seemed forced but overall I still think the ending was great.
STC-Dub
04-22-2009, 08:16 PM
Gregg Esterbrook ripped the finale in his ESPN column. He did bring up some valid points. Then again, he had been ripping the show since the first season -- mostly on the science part of the show.
Doctor Manhattan
04-23-2009, 07:52 AM
Gregg Esterbrook ripped the finale in his ESPN column. He did bring up some valid points. Then again, he had been ripping the show since the first season -- mostly on the science part of the show.
Was he just reviewing Sam Anders and the Professional Pyramid League aspect to the show? Why is there a BSG review at ESPN?
brettmojo
04-23-2009, 01:02 PM
Gregg Esterbrook...
Who?
STC-Dub
04-23-2009, 02:34 PM
He is the Tuesday Morning QB on Page 2.
Furtherman
06-22-2009, 07:28 AM
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STC-Dub
06-22-2009, 01:48 PM
What is the video supposed to be of?
Furtherman
06-22-2009, 02:07 PM
What is the video supposed to be of?
Frak. It didn't work. Trailer for BSG: The Plan.
Furtherman
07-16-2009, 02:00 PM
Uh oh. My geek beeper just went off.
http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/zoom/befb_first_cyclon_war_print.jpg
First Cylon War Print (http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/posters/befb/)
Lithograph of an original oil painting, commissioned by Universal Studios and hung on the wall in Admiral Adama's office.
Furtherman
07-30-2009, 07:44 AM
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Note from Bear McCreary "Kara Thrace herself, Katee Sackhoff, joined me on stage at the grand piano to play Kara Remembers I played the left hand part, and she plucked out the Final Four Theme, just as she did in the climax of Someone to Watch Over Me. Once we had the Final Four Theme going on the piano, the band snuck in, building to Heeding the Call and finally All Along the Watchtower.
brettmojo
07-30-2009, 07:54 AM
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That is so frakkin' awesome.
EliSnow
07-30-2009, 07:54 AM
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Damn. Can't see it at work.
I bought the season 4 soundtrack and was listening to it this morning before the show. Some of it is meh, but I do like a bunch of it.
Furtherman
08-03-2009, 11:26 AM
Battlestar Galactica, which failed to get a single Emmy nomination for dramatic series, earned the award for top program of the year at the Television Critics Association awards ceremony Saturday in Pasadena, Calif., Variety reported:
"It certainly feels appropriate that we received the acknowledgement from the people who were champions of this show from its outset," Mark Stern, exec VP of original programming at Syfy, told Daily Variety. "Critics really adopted this show early on and, in a weird way, this feels like a conclusion to the process."
MisterSmith
08-03-2009, 12:00 PM
That is so frakkin' awesome.
The moment in the episode this is taken from is one of my favorite memories of the show. I remember the chills running down my back and the excitement catch in my throat when Starbuck started to play her father's song and the sudden realization that it is the song of the Final Five. One of the coolest moments in my personal TV watching history. :thumbup:
brettmojo
08-03-2009, 12:25 PM
Battlestar Galactica, which failed to get a single Emmy nomination for dramatic series, earned the award for top program of the year at the Television Critics Association awards ceremony Saturday in Pasadena, Calif., Variety reported:
"It certainly feels appropriate that we received the acknowledgement from the people who were champions of this show from its outset," Mark Stern, exec VP of original programming at Syfy, told Daily Variety. "Critics really adopted this show early on and, in a weird way, this feels like a conclusion to the process."
Good for them. It really was shitty the way they were shut out of the Emmys. But all those awards shows are so self serving that you can't depend on them to know what the best in any medium is.
The moment in the episode this is taken from is one of my favorite memories of the show. I remember the chills running down my back and the excitement catch in my throat when Starbuck started to play her father's song and the sudden realization that it is the song of the Final Five. One of the coolest moments in my personal TV watching history. :thumbup:
I'm waiting for another special on Amazon to pick up the complete series collection. I can't wait to watch it all the way through again.
EliSnow
08-14-2009, 08:24 AM
Variety is confirming (http://weblogs.variety.com/bfdealmemo/2009/08/singer-back-to-scifi.html)that Bryan Singer has signed on to direct a big screen version of the original BSG.
Blah.
brettmojo
08-14-2009, 08:26 AM
Variety is confirming (http://weblogs.variety.com/bfdealmemo/2009/08/singer-back-to-scifi.html)that Bryan Singer has signed on to direct a big screen version of the original BSG.
Blah.
So only the first 10 minutes will be any good.
Furtherman
08-14-2009, 09:57 AM
Oh come on. Another reboot? The series is the story. I doubt another could compare.
EliSnow
08-14-2009, 10:05 AM
Oh come on. Another reboot? The series is the story. I doubt another could compare.
It's idiotic. Trying to do a remake just after an incredibly successful remake ended?
At least wait 5 years or so.
All they're thinking is that JJ Abrams rebooted Star Trek, so maybe Singer can do the same thing with another '70's sci fi show.
Radioguy
08-14-2009, 10:11 AM
Bad move. I don't want to see a film that wraps up the whole exodus and settlement on earth in less than two hours, and I don't want part one in some trilogy either.
The re-imagined series is it, at least for another 20 years.
JustJon
08-14-2009, 10:12 AM
Why reboot it so close to the end of the series and on the cusp of Caprica?
KatPw
08-14-2009, 10:17 AM
Why reboot it so close to the end of the series and on the cusp of Caprica?
That's why. Rake in the cash while the property is still hot. Hollywood knows that many fans are lemmings that will see it because it is BSG.
Judge Smails
08-14-2009, 10:41 AM
Who wants to feel the Viper Pilot experience?
Too bad we'll have to go to Singapore for it.
Universal Studios Singapore under construction (opening in late 2010) will include a Sci-Fi City "Land" and two Battlestar Galactica themed "dueling coasters". (http://www.thethemeparkguy.com/park/universal-studios-singapore/)
http://screamscape.com/assets/images/db_images/db_2009_0727_Battlestar53.jpg
http://screamscape.com/assets/images/db_images/db_2009_0811_USS_Battlestar63.jpg
Big update from Universal Studios Singapore this week as we’ve been sent all new pictures of the Battlestar Galactica coaster under construction along with an extra special tidbit of knowledge from one of our spies. First think about the show itself… if your going to be a Viper pilot, what’s the first thing your going to want to experience in a Battlestar Galactica themed coaster? The launch… and apparently BG: The Ride will not disappoint. From what I’ve now heard both sides of the ride will feature an LSM launched lift hill, said to fire the trains off the top at about 40mph or so, similar in speed and force as what you experience on the Hulk at Islands of Adventure. Minus the loop… but instead you’ll get a nice pop of airtime before taking the first drop.
Radioguy
08-14-2009, 11:13 AM
Yeah, when you get off they'll cane you as part of the experience.
I mean, who doesn't spit while in a loop, you just have to cane them all...
STC-Dub
08-14-2009, 05:45 PM
It will be what, 3 years before the movie comes out? Blah, I will see it in 5 years when it comes to HBO.
IamFogHat
08-14-2009, 05:51 PM
I can't imagine this will be good. Why can't they forget about money for one second and just let good projects be what they were.
Fuck, I'm really sayin' something new here, huh crew?:wallbash:
EliSnow
08-15-2009, 03:05 AM
I can't imagine this will be good. Why can't they forget about money for one second and just let good projects be what they were.
Fuck, I'm really sayin' something new here, huh crew?:wallbash:
Because the people making the movie didn't make any money off the series and had virtually nothing to do with it. They want theirs.
Radioguy
08-15-2009, 05:05 AM
According to a post elsewhere, Singer had the same opportunity to do the series, but Moore got it instead. I wouldn't put it past Singer to do this out of spite alone.
EliSnow
08-15-2009, 05:18 AM
According to a post elsewhere, Singer had the same opportunity to do the series, but Moore got it instead. I wouldn't put it past Singer to do this out of spite alone.
From Wikipedia:
In 2000, the director and an executive producer of the X-Men film, Bryan Singer and Tom DeSanto, began developing a Galactica television miniseries with Studios USA for FOX. Intended to air as a backdoor pilot in May 2002, filming was scheduled to begin in November 2001.[6] However, production delays caused by the September 11, 2001 attacks meant Bryan Singer had to drop out, due to his directing commitment on X-Men 2. This led Fox to lose interest in the project.
Also according to AintItCoolNews.com (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/42034), a source says that the script for Singer's version was not good.
brettmojo
08-15-2009, 06:34 AM
Also according to AintItCoolNews.com (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/42034), a source says that the script for Singer's version was not good.
Big surprise.
Furtherman
08-17-2009, 06:26 AM
Here's a good rant on this frak of an idea:
Is BS3 Doomed To Failure? (http://io9.com/5337742/is-bs3-doomed-to-failure)
It also contains a link from G4tv and EJO's appearance on Attack Of The Show a couple weeks ago with some news on the BSG United Nations appearance, which is pretty damn impressive.
Battlestar Galactica Changes the UN Charter (http://g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/blog/post/697780/Battlestar-Galactica-Changes-the-UN-Charter.html)
More exciting was Olmos' announcement about his show's influence on the United Nations, which has officially changed its charter after meeting with the Battlestar Galactica stars over human rights last March. Per Olmos, the UN will no longer use the word "race" as a cultural determinant; instead, we will all be considered a part of one race: humans (unless you're a Cylon).
Doctor Manhattan
08-17-2009, 08:17 AM
Why reboot it so close to the end of the series and on the cusp of Caprica?
That's why. Rake in the cash while the property is still hot. Hollywood knows that many fans are lemmings that will see it because it is BSG.
It makes sense to keep going with the current reboot of BSG, not start a whole new one.
I love Bryan Singer (even if everything he does becomes an analog for living as a gay man, we get it you're gay and so are the comic book heroes you make movies about. I don't care. But anyone who makes a movie like The Usual Suspects is cool in my book.) but this is waayy too soon for a whole new BSG. Just wanted to throw my opinion into the pile of very similar ones. Give BSG time before reinventing it. the end first one just came out on DVD a few weeks ago.
Furtherman
10-07-2009, 10:06 AM
Battlestar: The Plan drops on Oct. 27: New details (http://scifiwire.com/2009/10/battlestar-the-plan-drops.php#more)
http://scifiwire.com/assets_c/2009/10/Battlestar_galactica_theplan_bluray_thumb-thumb-550x228-25552.jpg
STC-Dub
10-07-2009, 09:12 PM
Great something else I want to buy I cannot afford.
EliSnow
10-08-2009, 05:19 AM
Great something else I want to buy I cannot afford.
I think it's going to air on the channel formely known as Sci-Fi Channel.
Furtherman
10-08-2009, 05:52 AM
I think it's going to air on the channel formely known as Sci-Fi Channel.
It will, but not until next year.
The DVD will be an extended and uncut version.
For all the improvement SyFy has made, they still make strange decisions like this one.
Devo37
11-01-2009, 06:16 PM
has anyone watched The Plan yet? I just got it, but i won't watch it til tomorrow. any non-spoiler reviews?
STC-Dub
11-01-2009, 08:02 PM
I almost bought i but Amazon had Season 4.0 for $29.99 so I bought that instead.
Gmann
11-02-2009, 02:54 AM
has anyone watched The Plan yet? I just got it, but i won't watch it til tomorrow. any non-spoiler reviews?
It was ok. I personally thought it didnt answer much.
Devo37
11-02-2009, 03:32 PM
It was ok. I personally thought it didnt answer much.
yeah, i thought the same thing. a lot of the 'answers' in it were just clips from the series!
so i guess the plan was, "Destroy humanity. What, there's still humans left and some of them are nice people? Oh, then never mind. Our bad."
kind of a let down, especially since that will be the final chapter of BSG. on a good note, Caprica starts soon. Hopefully it'll be worth watching. the pilot was pretty good.
STC-Dub
11-02-2009, 06:08 PM
Thanks for ruining it.:laugh:
Furtherman
11-16-2009, 09:57 AM
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STC-Dub
11-16-2009, 05:03 PM
That explains a lot.
Judge Smails
11-23-2009, 05:30 PM
Who wants to feel the Viper Pilot experience?
Too bad we'll have to go to Singapore for it.
Universal Studios Singapore under construction (opening in late 2010) will include a Sci-Fi City "Land" and two Battlestar Galactica themed "dueling coasters". (http://www.thethemeparkguy.com/park/universal-studios-singapore/)
Well, the coaster is now in the testing stage. You get to choose a side to ride - one is Cylon, one is Human.
That's some job they did. Looks EXACTLY like Battlestar Galactica, doesn't it? :dry:
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STC-Dub
11-23-2009, 08:22 PM
So what, they are putting a couple of decals on the thing or something?
Devo37
11-23-2009, 08:48 PM
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about 3 minutes too long to be amusing.
EliSnow
12-04-2009, 05:45 AM
Do you want to see how Cylons evolved? (http://blog.quantummechanix.com/zoomify/cylon-evolution.htm)
Furtherman
12-28-2009, 08:22 AM
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STC-Dub
12-28-2009, 05:06 PM
Amazon has the DVD's cheap. Season 3 is $17.99, 4.5 $21.99 -- I finally have the whole series I knew being stubborn and cheap would pay off.
STC-Dub
01-11-2010, 03:14 PM
Finally saw "The Plan" last night and have to say I am glad I did not have to pay for it. Just did not seem coherent, more like they spliced a bunch of deleted scenes together and said they have a common theme.
Furtherman
03-17-2010, 12:27 PM
In an interview with THR, Syfy’s Executive VP of Development Mark Stern indicated that Caprica would receive a second season and that the network was also trying to develop a second Galactica spinoff. The exact nature of the spinoff has not yet been determined, but it would:
“mark a return to the franchise’s space-opera roots.”
Galactica Executive Producer Ronald Moore is working with Syfy on developing the new series, which may have a non-traditional format.
I'd like to see SyFy try another spinoff... because I've seen their list of upcoming program and it's all ghost and reality shows. Eureka is coming back, but most of their schedule looks lame.
STC-Dub
03-17-2010, 03:00 PM
Hope it actually sees the light of day.
Sleeves
04-21-2010, 03:47 PM
Just watched the last couple episodes last night. Loved the show so much I didn't care that the ending was kind of a mess.
I understand the Kara gripe, but my biggest problem was with the everyone going their separate ways. Just seemed really lonely. The Chief going to live on some island somewhere. Adama up on some hill with Roslin's bones and her dream cabin.
Lee all alone in field spinning around looking for Kara. Gaius and Caprica off to farm on some far off field.
I just thought it was peculiarly sad...Why won't Adama take the Raptor back to visit Lee from time to time?
It's hard to pull of a spiritual/religious gimmick. It only half worked here. Gaius said one part of it well: "The good and bad is done by men, but God is outside of that." Which is fine - but then to have Angels roaming around helping urge things in particular directions makes God much more of a player.
I'd rather they kept tighter with the dynamic of Cylon vs. Human, rather than introducing the not-too-well expressed Angel concept. I would have preferred Gaius and Kara having some kind of cylon-ness.
Kara and Lee, while I rooted for them for a while, seemed a force. Her rough sensuality always made him seem like a clean-sneakered Nancy. Sam seemed to fit better...but then actually in the end, I think I liked her best with Leobhon or whatever his name was. If Kara was a cylon, then it would have been nice to see her and L wandering off to live in cave.
I really began to dig eye-patch Tigh, and then loved cylon Tigh.
I still don't follow the final movement of happening before and happening again. Does this mean that in a few hundred years, we'd all split for the 12 planets and the cycle would continue?
I also don't get why they didn't throw some cylon blood into Roslin. It cured her cancer the first time...why not again? Maybe that was explained somewhere.
The flashback sequences in these final episodes did little for me. Didn't add any weight to the counterpoint story. I would have preferred a standalone episode that went over all that stuff, cause it didn't create anything dynamic in the finale.
Great show. How tv should be, freewheeling and big with a lot of heart, a lot of explosions and robots all over the place.
Furtherman
12-20-2010, 12:40 PM
First concept art from Battlestar Galactica: Blood and Chrome
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Willmore
12-21-2010, 07:44 AM
Sold.
Star Wars the TV show with a more intelligent canon, barring the weird religious undertones.
Judge Smails
03-21-2012, 07:00 AM
Trailer for Blood and Chrome.
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The good news is that this trailer does look pretty awesome, if somewhat incomprehensible. The bad news is -- well, at least to me, as I just found this out -- that the show was shot almost entirely on greenscreen, using scans of the sets from the original BSG show, which sounds terrible. Some studios could pull that off, but I don't think SyFy is one of them. The question remains whether Blood & Chrome will end up as a TV series or a web series; I'm thinking the latter, but mostly because SyFy hates sci-fi. Maybe if Adama challenges to the Cylons to a wrestling match or ghost hunting competition, though...
Furtherman
03-21-2012, 07:05 AM
That trailer DOES look awesome, holy frak... and I wish it were available to watch the whole thing, but the comment is right. Syfy didn't put enough money into it and it might look crappy as a two hour pilot.
brettmojo
03-21-2012, 07:21 AM
Not gonna' bother. It's not a reality show so syfy will end up cancelling it just as it gets good anyway.
brettmojo
03-21-2012, 05:27 PM
Not gonna' bother. It's not a reality show so syfy will end up cancelling it just as it gets good anyway.
Nope. I was wrong. They're not even going to bother going through with it. (http://collider.com/battlestar-galactica-blood-chrome-cancelled/154170/)
Syfy Passes on BATTLESTAR GALACTICA: BLOOD & CHROME
It’s a roller coaster ride of emotions for Battlestar Galactica fans today. Earlier we saw a truly fantastic trailer (http://collider.com/battlestar-galactica-blood-chrome-trailer/154064/) for the long-in-the-works prequel series Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome cut to Karen O’s cover of “Immigrant Song” that was so expertly used in the Dragon Tattoo trailer. Fans have been waiting in vain for some kind of sign that the series still exists since the two-hour pilot was greenlit in 2010. Soon after the wave of excitement over the trailer peaked, Syfy decided to crush our dreams and announce that they won’t be moving forward with the series after all. Hit the jump for more.
Furtherman
10-19-2012, 08:38 AM
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Judge Smails
11-07-2012, 05:57 AM
Blood and Chrome webisodes to be released this Friday.
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furie
11-07-2012, 03:16 PM
So blood and chrome will not be on Syfy, right?
Furtherman
11-07-2012, 04:45 PM
It will, next year. Followed by a DVD release.
Judge Smails
11-09-2012, 02:01 PM
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