The Immigration Issue

[spoon]

I think most people believe that a vote for a 3rd party is more like a vote for the opposing ideology. I think more democrats were afraid of a republican president, than wanting Obama specifically to be elected (if not in 2008, then definitely in 2012).

sums me up to a T

voted Obama in 08, not in 12 simply bc I wasn't blown away by his first 4 years, he was a shoe in to win NJ and I lined up more with another third party candidate. If it was close at all, I would have had to switch over to Obama to keep Mitt out. No way. Lesser of evils, as even the third party candidates if viable in the end aren't THAT good for the true reform I would like to see.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

so more advantages for the rich...and in the end, those that have no real need of moving

good stuff



Not at all.


Join the military , serve in the Peace Corps or other entity then you can move up


If you're here and are going to be on means tested programs how does it move them up?


Speaking of advantages, the wealthy like Zuckerberg and Factory farms want cheap docile workers

[foodcourtdruide]

Not at all.


Join the military , serve in the Peace Corps or other entity then you can move up


If you're here and are going to be on means tested programs how does it move them up?


Speaking of advantages, the wealthy like Zuckerberg and Factory farms want cheap docile workers

Being in the tech field, when you talk about Zuckerberg my head spins.

[spoon]

2008 Hope and Che-nge ?

this is why you're an idiot

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It was in Jest.

Don't take everything so serious

[spoon]

Do you realize most of the good old white boys are in bed with the federal government

Goldman, ADM, GM, GE, Citigroup as being examples

no, not at all idiot

again, lesser of evils I spoke of with a few quick examples

to make the comparison as if they are close is pretty telling

the ties are there bc of the issues we are speaking to here with the election cycle, money tied to it via camp contributions and influences of PACs/lobbyists

you simply CAN'T be elected with zero ties and even light ones without MAJOR reform first

so again, saying what you just did is stupid and beside the points brought up here, much less the glaring differences even in the face of navigating the line that Dems usually do versus outright bought up GOPs

this goes on the non-stop war end too, just look at history and compare W, Bush, Reagan to Clinton, Carter and Obama for 20 versus 20 year comparisons. well on the way to 20 with Obama's last term when it ends so a touch short on the dem end. It's not even close in pretty much every aspect including and focusing on military buildups and who these things start under...with the dem usually cleaning up the mess, or at least trying and taking a shit ton of blame after the fact.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Being in the tech field, when you talk about Zuckerberg my head spins.



How deep is the shortage in your field that they have to bring in so many foreign workers?

If it is a supply and demand basic issue can't the tech industry just raise salary offers? For writing algorithmic programs , I know advanced degrees are needed but can a BA/BS and PMP cert suffice for Americans?

[spoon]

Not at all.


Join the military , serve in the Peace Corps or other entity then you can move up


If you're here and are going to be on means tested programs how does it move them up?


Speaking of advantages, the wealthy like Zuckerberg and Factory farms want cheap docile workers

speaking of one offs you keep bringing up that NOBODY agrees with...stop and fight the urge to lose your concentration that is your nature...what did that add to this? where does that tie in? don't answer that bc it'll be a LONG winding tangent of stupidity with very loose ties to the convo at hand.

as for the advantage, make ANYONE and EVERYONE come by the same channels or else it IS one...especially for the rich to just come here as you pretty much stated, while the poor have to "prove" themselves to you for this country. it's an all or none prospect to me, otherwise it's elitist policy if I ever saw it and another bullshit concept that does certainly line up with your rhetoric plenty

[WRESTLINGFAN]

no, not at all idiot

again, lesser of evils I spoke of with a few quick examples

to make the comparison as if they are close is pretty telling

the ties are there bc of the issues we are speaking to here with the election cycle, money tied to it via camp contributions and influences of PACs/lobbyists

you simply CAN'T be elected with zero ties and even light ones without MAJOR reform first

so again, saying what you just did is stupid and beside the points brought up here, much less the glaring differences even in the face of navigating the line that Dems usually do versus outright bought up GOPs

this goes on the non-stop war end too, just look at history and compare W, Bush, Reagan to Clinton, Carter and Obama for 20 versus 20 year comparisons. well on the way to 20 with Obama's last term when it ends so a touch short on the dem end. It's not even close in pretty much every aspect including and focusing on military buildups and who these things start under...with the dem usually cleaning up the mess, or at least trying and taking a shit ton of blame after the fact.


Voting lesser of 2 evils is not a mature way to vote

Nice way to mention Carter. Not too many troops killed under his presidency

[spoon]

How deep is the shortage in your field that they have to bring in so many foreign workers?

If it is a supply and demand basic issue can't the tech industry just raise salary offers? For writing algorithmic programs , I know advanced degrees are needed but can a BA/BS and PMP cert suffice for Americans?

I have MANY friends in the industry and they simply want cheaper alternatives as there are PLENTY of great programmers and tech savvy workers out of a job right now. My buddy's company just laid off a ton of workers bc they need to pay their bullshit CEO who can hardly turn on his phone more money and he wants lower pay scale too. I hope they crash and burn in a big way, as the day of the young gun sharing in its company's boom and gains is going by the wayside unfortunately. This is what happens when they all sell and or get gobbled up by the suits/big business. Just wait, the internet will be chewed up soon enough and free will be a thing of the past.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

speaking of one offs you keep bringing up that NOBODY agrees with...stop and fight the urge to lose your concentration that is your nature...what did that add to this? where does that tie in? don't answer that bc it'll be a LONG winding tangent of stupidity with very loose ties to the convo at hand.

as for the advantage, make ANYONE and EVERYONE come by the same channels or else it IS one...especially for the rich to just come here as you pretty much stated, while the poor have to "prove" themselves to you for this country. it's an all or none prospect to me, otherwise it's elitist policy if I ever saw it and another bullshit concept that does certainly line up with your rhetoric plenty

So enacting if you made it here , you get to stay is beneficial ? Yea if you're the illegal, but the burden is placed on the taxpayers

Europeans who couldn't cut it here, some went back home. We have incentives like handouts so a lot of illegals won't leave.

There's also birthright citizenship , we are one of the few countries who practice this abuse of the 14th amendment

[spoon]

Voting lesser of 2 evils is not a mature way to vote

Nice way to mention Carter. Not too many troops killed under his presidency

you vote based on your options

when the field is week, not sure what you want to call it then?

are you suggesting sugar coating it or not voting at all? bc lesser of evils is the way i fucking see it, not immature which is a copout to me

and I mentioned Carter in regard to the topic at hand, not some "nice way" or special tactic. Carter is part of the last three dems, as are the Repubs I mentioned...not so hard to comprehend really, but you can't miss a chance to add your bullshit. I guess this is the place where bizarro WF takes shots at W? Just focus on the comparison at hand and let's hear your biased take...have at it

[spoon]

So enacting if you made it here , you get to stay is beneficial ? Yea if you're the illegal, but the burden is placed on the taxpayers

Europeans who couldn't cut it here, some went back home. We have incentives like handouts so a lot of illegals won't leave.

There's also birthright citizenship , we are one of the few countries who practice this abuse of the 14th amendment

Never once was this fucking stated or even hinted at. You really are a gem, bc the only thing that was discussed close to this was the GAPING hole in your take on a change that gave this type cart blanche access to US soil/markets to rich/wealthy foreigners, but those who are not must seriously vet themselves via the military, peace corp or something like it. Where the fuck do you get these jumps in logic? Stop drinking fucking red bull while sucking cocks up there in CT. When you lose the topic and or have little more to say, you put the most idiotic alternative to your likewise stupid plan out there as some whacky alternative option in an effort to make your own plan less ridiculous. yet NOBODY advocated to said plan, in fact, it was never brought up at all.

Your examples are extremely stupid tied to this too, but carry on delusional Warped Fool

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So citizenship shouldn't be earned is what you're saying.

DC should work with the consulates and foreign ministers to voluntarily repatriate people who can't make it here

Look at Mexico for example some illegals are going back because their economy is improving

[WRESTLINGFAN]

you vote based on your options

when the field is week, not sure what you want to call it then?

are you suggesting sugar coating it or not voting at all? bc lesser of evils is the way i fucking see it, not immature which is a copout to me

and I mentioned Carter in regard to the topic at hand, not some "nice way" or special tactic. Carter is part of the last three dems, as are the Repubs I mentioned...not so hard to comprehend really, but you can't miss a chance to add your bullshit. I guess this is the place where bizarro WF takes shots at W? Just focus on the comparison at hand and let's hear your biased take...have at it



Option 1 An inept president with a horrible record and governing over the worst recovery in 75 years

Option 2 A former governor who changed his views depending on the wind blowing

In this issue I agree with Maher. Americans are stupid

[spoon]

Sigh, you lack any ability to do so it is painfully obvious. And yes, the public at large is pretty stupid at times...way to lead the charge.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I was not part of those 2 armies

[SonOfSmeagol]

Says the guy who has yet to elaborate AT ALL outside of "naive", "gullible" and "hot air". So yes, you are hilariously hypocritical in your posts here. And you can't keep claiming the same shit linked to a line of posting you were ill informed of. You came in wanting to rip the Affordable Health Care Act/Obamacare and did so completely out of place. Then u went to single payer, there too you were way off and simply lacking. So yes, it was all about another post and anyone who disagrees with your phantom ideas is gullible for a plan they wanted completely different. You're yawning bc your bullshit is sleep inducing and severely lacking. Still waiting for you to actually implement your so-called fundamentals, bc right now you're just full of shit and claiming false ground. So let's here it sos, your approach, your non-gullible take on what to do or not tied to all the subject matter that was covered, or would that require actual comprehension versus your attempt to cloud this further...5 seconds and we'll have yet another bullshit side step and nothing added. Yah yah, insults, not deep blah blah blah u add nada.
You didn’t cover shit. all any reasonable person has to do is look above at the simple exchange that you’ve taken and weaved into some stupid saga, that’s really reflective on your own anger and insecurity.
you're no translator I see, bc it means affordable health care, better pay and an expansion of the middle class, bigger tax base and no stupid border fence and huge military buildup there and in the end a nice starting point to a complete overhaul of our immigration and work policies tied to it.
To which I said
obamacare is going to do all that? :laugh:
you really are comically gullible
and if you are really thinking your Fed gov’t is going to do that, then say why. you didn't
When I was 15 I saw Rush Limbaugh on television for the first time. He was anti-Clinton and anti all liberal ideals. I guess I was a gullible kid so I was really into him for a while. He seemed totally convinced of his point, had a lot of charisma and there was a crowd completely behind him. All of his segments were well produced and to me, he just seemed legit. Higher education really opened my mind up about the world. Beginning to understand that people who worked extremely hard and lived good lives were STILL poor. I learned the term "socio-economic" and started thinking more about why certain people were in lower socio-economic" states than others. The answer of "they're just lazy" could no longer satisfy me.
SOS and WF remind me so much of the teenage version of myself. Single-payer/Universal Health Care/AHCA and even our health care system have their own merits and disadvantages. Not being able to adequately defend your position against these things beyond vague, sarcastic one-liners shows me that it hasn't really been thought out and perhaps they're just taking queues from someone with a microphone.

I guess for the simpleton it's easier to just feel anger and feel like the victim. I think that's what attracted me to right-wing thinking when I was a kid.
sure pal. It’s not like all this wasn't discussed in painful detail in the old health care thread, of which I was an active participant. (like I have to defend myself against you) and oh yes, all opposing viewpoints here get their opinions from party overloads. your generalizations are really fucking lame.

[foodcourtdruide]

sure pal. It’s not like all this wasn't discussed in painful detail in the old health care thread, of which I was an active participant. (like I have to defend myself against you) and oh yes, all opposing viewpoints here get their opinions from party overloads. your generalizations are really fucking lame.

I'm so confused. You called me pal, but the rest of your post is hostile.

[SonOfSmeagol]

I'm so confused. You called me pal, but the rest of your post is hostile.

save it - you brought it up in lashing out at me like a clown

[spoon]

you post does nothing but prove my original point

you read nothing beyond the actual post calling me gullible and linking it incorrectly to obamacare

it wasn't a 1000 page thesis/bill to show how to get there, but some ideas in order to do so...and obamacare wasn't the end all be all. that very post talks of killing other ideas like the fence, taxing more of our working base, legal or illegal, fining companies all but importing illegal cheap labor and never giving health care...you know, a lot more than what you lashed out at like a child and completely misinformed. so thanks for proving my point you illiterate fool.

and finally, foody was pretty darn specific in rightly calling you out...hardly generalizations

if you had zero intention in actually joining this conversation, why even jump in like an ass then? bottom line, you still haven't even read the conversation before you ran in with OBAMACARE!!! GULLIBLE!!!!

[SonOfSmeagol]

you post does nothing but prove my original point
you read nothing beyond the actual post calling me gullible and linking it incorrectly to obamacare
it wasn't a 1000 page thesis/bill to show how to get there, but some ideas in order to do so...and obamacare wasn't the end all be all. that very post talks of killing other ideas like the fence, taxing more of our working base, legal or illegal, fining companies all but importing illegal cheap labor and never giving health care...you know, a lot more than what you lashed out at like a child and completely misinformed. so thanks for proving my point you illiterate fool.
obamacare, single payer… etc etc
fence?
more taxes?
fining companies all but importing illegal cheap labor – already on the books. No one arguing against it.
importing illegal cheap labor and never giving health care – they’re illegals, health care for illegals is a step for them if they earn it.
what else was there again?
not much of a conversation, really. but quite the stupid saga

and finally, foody was pretty darn specific in rightly calling you out...hardly generalizations
Where, specifically?

[A.J.]

but what about hulk hogans guns when they come barreling down on you!?

Patton clearly didn't think that through.

Patton clearly didn't take his vitamins or say his prayers.

[A.J.]

Southeast Asians and Pacific islanders too, especially Filipinos

here comes the always insightful wfox asian business report

definitely speaking with the upmost credibility on the subject

Actually, he IS right. In addition to large numbers of Bangladeshis and Sri Lankans, Filipinos and Indonesians are among the largest number of guest workers in the Middle East.

That's why you don't need to speak Arabic when you go to the Middle East -- most of the workers in the service industries are South/East Asians who speak very good English. I rarely dealt with native Arabs.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Cha Ching!!!!



These poor vulnerable people demand to raid the coffers of this mean inhospitable country



http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/09/16/undocumented-la-county-parents-projected-to-receive-650m-in-welfare-benefits/




Looks like some of them haven't missed a meal

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I never believed the governments numbers when they said that illegal immigration dropped to zero



http://discussions.latimes.com/20/lanews/la-na-nn-study-illegal-immigrants-20130923/10

[spoon]

I never believed the governments numbers when they said that illegal immigration dropped to zero



http://discussions.latimes.com/20/lanews/la-na-nn-study-illegal-immigrants-20130923/10

either you didn't actually READ the "article" of just over 25 words...I know tough, or you just never pass up a chance to pull out the foil hat

either way, you're an idiot

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yes I have.

The number of 11-12 million is way off. It's at least double
I don't believe throngs have gone back. As long as there's a generous welfare state why leave?

It's not just illegals from Mexico, There are millions of them coming from Central and South America

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Safe to say that Holder won't sue Moonbeam when he allowed illegals to drive and become lawyers

[spoon]

safe indeed

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Rangel among other Democratic pols arrested along with 200 others arrested at amnesty rally today.

[spoon]

so what

[WRESTLINGFAN]

They were intentionally blocking traffic . I'm sure some of them were illegals

[Syd]

http://i.imgur.com/VX7cQ8b.jpg

no irony lost for the Canadian guy being photographed in front of a fascist white power flag

[Dude!]

http://i.imgur.com/VX7cQ8b.jpg

no irony lost for the Canadian guy being photographed...

yeah, i don't want a foreign-born
canadian hispanic as president
any more than i'd want an
indonesian-born mulatto as prez

[spoon]

superb point

:wallbash:

[Jujubees2]

Dammit,

What's next? Churros beating out apple pie?

Salsa beats out ketchup as America's preferred condiment (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/salsa-beats-ketchup-america-article-1.1489355#ixzz2i58dMm1S)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

In the film American Churro, a high school senior gets caught by her mother trying to stick one in her snatch

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Amnesty is dead this year. With the stench of Obamacare the house does not want to rush thru another 1000 page bill

[WRESTLINGFAN]

3 out of 4 can't pass the written test. What will be the excuse ? It's discrimination against illiterates ?

http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/01/05/dmv-most-fail-test-for-driver-authorization-card/

[epo]

3 out of 4 can't pass the written test. What will be the excuse ? It's discrimination against illiterates ?

http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/01/05/dmv-most-fail-test-for-driver-authorization-card/

Lemme guess: you are still mad at brown people?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Lemme guess: you are still mad at brown people?



Thank you again for not adding anything of substance

[spoon]

yah, it's REAL easy to add substance to the sand and shit foundation you laid

he fucking summed it all up perfectly

and in conclusion, you still blow

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It's the other clod who adds nothing

Instead of debating the topic it's the usual from you as well

The foundation is solid. Illegal aliens who want to drive in Nevada , for the most part are illiterate. What part of 75% don't you understand?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Turns out Nevada offers the test en Espanol. Great!!! The illegals are illiterate in 2 languages.

[spoon]

It's the other clod who adds nothing

Instead of debating the topic it's the usual from you as well

The foundation is solid. Illegal aliens who want to drive in Nevada , for the most part are illiterate. What part of 75% don't you understand?

who doesn't understand? it's called not agreeing with what that means, the true problem with it and your normal piece of shit ways

[spoon]

Turns out Nevada offers the test en Espanol. Great!!! The illegals are illiterate in 2 languages.

this just in, WF stunned poor people and immigrants trying to find a better life aren't educated at Ivy League institutions…good thing we didn't allow their kids to go to college pretty much until Clinton too right!? bottom line, you're still a fucking asshole

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Wow so it takes an Ivy League education to read?

I see only billionaires driving.



Your reasoning sucks.

[spoon]

no, it's called hyperbole to make a point

an easy one not needed… that you're an idiot

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This just in

Some of the illegals kids are going to college with in state tuition.


You're still a dope

[spoon]

This just in

Some of the illegals kids are going to college with in state tuition.


You're still a dope

yah, i said they weren't right

we heard your rants on this plenty

[spoon]

people come here for jobs, education, freedom, safety and an overall better life…exactly

what everyone else came here for not to long ago

my bad, your ancestors came here fully educated and with the appropriate papers in the queen's english to appropriately operate a horse and carriage….driving isn't rocket science either.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

My ancestors came here and didn't go on the government dole. They didn't come here with a chip on their shoulder making demands.
And here's the kicker. They came here legally.

They spoke Italian but learned to read and write in English

What's the problem of requiring people to read at a competent level or at the very least at a basic one in order to attain a license?

Driving isn't a right. It's a privilege

[spoon]

sure thing ace

[A.J.]

What's the problem of requiring people to read at a competent level or at the very least at a basic one in order to attain a license?

You expect too much from our public school system.

[PapaBear]

You expect too much from our public school system.
I could show him things that would destroy his entire thought process. And by "destroy", I mean... Oh, fuck it. I forgot I try to stay away from these threads. Maybe I'll try to quit smoking, instead.

[spoon]

just call him the idiotic asshole wf is and move on my friend

it's a blast

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Nevada was generous enough to give illegals who shouldn't be here in the 1st place, an opportunity to drive.


The illegals have the responsibility to pass a written test. There's nothing further to explain.


If someone wants a license, they should meet the standards.

[spoon]

fuckwad fool at his finest

what exactly do you think people take issue with here?

you can't be more out of your mind

[sailor]

People took the test, the ones that didn't pass didn't get permits. Where is the problem?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Sounds like your issue is that you don't think people should be held to basic standards Maybe licenses should be handed to them like with EBT cards and other perks they get.

[spoon]

People took the test, the ones that didn't pass didn't get permits. Where is the problem?

thank you

[spoon]

Sounds like your issue is that you don't think people should be held to basic standards Maybe licenses should be handed to them like with EBT cards and other perks they get.

sounds like you can't read either

blah blah blah HANDOUTS!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I have a license, so yes I can read.


And yes many illegals do get handouts

[spoon]

Fire!!!!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The Senate, choose to block extending UE benefits, and block restoring the COLA allowances to veterans benefits in favor of illegal aliens.

They refused to kill the fraudulent tax credits for children of the illegals

[epo]

43 pages of this shit?

[spoon]

43 pages of this shit?

I only have 22 bc I go max posts per page…still the same number, but a nice psychological edge!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Probably won't happen but Bieber could be deported he's here on a visa





http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/entertainment&id=9404407

[spoon]

What?,no thinly veiled racist quip in there...oh yah, white!

[jennysmurf]

Probably won't happen but Bieber could be deported he's here on a visa





http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/entertainment&id=9404407

I would looooooooooove for Bieber to leave forever--I'd rather he left life, but I'll settle for leaving America.

[deliciousV]

I would looooooooooove for Bieber to leave forever--I'd rather he left life, but I'll settle for leaving America.

well that's not too harsh

[jennysmurf]

well that's not too harsh

I know, I know, I just can't stand that stupid, self-righteous, entitled..well, you get the idea.

[A.J.]

What?,no thinly veiled racist quip in there...oh yah, white!

That Kraut-Frog Canuck!

[Dude!]

That Kraut-Frog Canuck!

and his on-again-off-again girlfriend
is a spic!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If Bieber got arrested in CA, He could have been represented by him.


http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/02/justice/california-immigrant-lawyer/

[Jujubees2]

AZ Bill Would Make It A Crime To Use A Bathroom Without Proof Of Citizenship (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/02/10/az-bill-would-make-it-a-crime-to-use-a-bathroom-without-proof-of-citizenship/)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm for dealing with illegal immigration but that goes too far

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Don't these illegals know?


While rock beats scissor, bullet beats rock


http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-border-patrol-shooting-20140219,0,5883415.story#axzz2tyRhm9zW

[spoon]

good one

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Another crybaby just like his predecessors. So we should feel guilty when we boot their citizens out?


http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/27/us-mexico-usa-idUSBREA1Q27H20140227


El Presidente should take a look at his country's immigration laws before lecturing us. Try being an illegal Honduran in Mexico, No welfare food stamps or other perks.

[sailor]

Maybe a few years ago, but I don't think that's the case today:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_in_Mexico

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Good luck to them while being roughed up by corrupt federales and violent cartels

[foodcourtdruide]

Good luck to them while being roughed up by corrupt federales and violent cartels

I don't think you have to be an illegal immigrant to endure that in Mexico. Our media portrays Mexico as the wild-wild-west. I'm not saying they're right or wrong, but it's the impression I get.

[spoon]

Yah good luck to them! Fucking wf.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Generally speaking an American can get out of a bad situation with the right amount of pesos

Someone from Central America , not so much and if they're a woman it's even worse

[spoon]

so this clearly means what in regard to our policy?

oh yah, nothing

[foodcourtdruide]

so this clearly means what in regard to our policy?

oh yah, nothing

I feel like WF has always tried to create some type of link between the corruption of the Mexican government and his anti-immigration into the US agenda.

[spoon]

Wf tries many stupid things, most fall flat on their face at best. As transparent as one can be in the end, with bias and hate as his catalysts for everything hid under the cloak of "independent".

Funny stuff.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Cecilia Munoz, leader of La Raza called Obama the deporter in chief last week.

However those numbers are highly inflated as DHS sec confirmed that most deportations come in the form of illegals caught at the border and turned away.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

How about he gets awarded a couple of pesos, quetzals or whatever currency his home country uses.


Just filing the lawsuits American's wont file


http://www.examiner.com/article/illegal-alien-to-sue-firefighters-who-rescued-him-from-flood-waters-colorado

[A.J.]

How about he gets awarded a couple of pesos, quetzals or whatever currency his home country uses.


Just filing the lawsuits American's wont file


http://www.examiner.com/article/illegal-alien-to-sue-firefighters-who-rescued-him-from-flood-waters-colorado

Well, he's learned to be a true American: file a meaningless lawsuit and expect a handout from the government.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ortiz now claims that rescuers were negligent in their duty because they should have extracted him from his car faster.


He probably is illiterate in 2 languages and is low skilled but he's an expert on being a 1st responder and extraction methods?

I'd love how this pans out in court

[spoon]

would you?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Amazing how they are called poor vulnerable desperate downtrodden religious family values migrants , but the other side is that many are clever cunning people gaming the system for an easy payday

[PapaBear]

Amazing how they are called poor vulnerable desperate downtrodden religious family values migrants , but the other side is that many are clever cunning people gaming the system for an easy payday
What's amazing is that you can negate the possibility of the first part, because of the existence of the second part. Would you have more empathy for them, if NONE of them were clever?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If they came here to better themselves without having a chip on their shoulder, not making demands or going on taxpayer funded welfare programs , there would be some empathy for them.

That well has dried up with the example of the ungrateful illegal wanting to sue people who saved his life.

[PapaBear]

If they came here to better themselves without having a chip on their shoulder, not making demands or going on taxpayer funded welfare programs , there would be some empathy for them.

That well has dried up with the example of the ungrateful illegal wanting to sue people who saved his life.
So, one person files a lawsuit (on top of other individuals who have done bad things), and suddenly the honest immigrants no longer exist? I'll be sure to tell all the ones I work with, that they no longer exist. I guess we'll have quite a few job openings soon. Of course, we'll have to fill those positions with people who are completely worthless.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The problem is that there are millions of other dishonest ones. Not every illegal is a scumbag like the one filing a lawsuit, however many are here with forged and phony documents. Billions are being paid out in tax refunds to them claiming dependents in their native country which is against the law, however with the magnet of a modern welfare state and them having children on our dime and all the other handouts it is a concern.

I'd welcome the idea of come here but you're on your own. If you need financial assistance go to a family member or your church.

[spoon]

Hahahaahaa!

It never gets old. Keep talking wf, you fucking idiot.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Illegals declaring war on deportations

Jaime Martinez of the Labor Council for Latin American Advancement called the failure of the United States to grant amnesty to illegal immigrants 'a human rights violation.



"Two million have been deported, hard working immigrants, children put in foster homes. This is one of the grossest violations of human rights that America has experienced."




So the MS-13 Gang members are included in those hard workers? How about the child rapists, drunk drivers and other violent criminals?

And for the others who didn't commit violent crimes, no one said they can't take their anchor babies back with them. I'm for family unity, in their home countries

[spoon]

I'm sure you are. What a guy!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Humanely? What a fucking idiot he is,


We treat them here better than their home countries do. We feed, house and assist them via taxation and generous social service benefits. They have a multi billion dollar cottage industry of grievance groups. Their anchor babies are automatic citizens, we babysit them and their extended families while treating war vets like second class citizens the amount of backlogs at the VA is at an alarming rate for example. They enjoy a life that affords them running water electricity and employment. And if they commit crimes many get to stay .



http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/03/23/immigration-obama-deportation-review/6529849/

[Midkiff]

http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m583/leeaspell/36dthp.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That is correct. Illegals are in the semi skilled trades as well, thus lowering wages for everyone else in those fields

[epo]

This thread still exists?

[spoon]

Humanely? What a fucking idiot he is,


We treat them here better than their home countries do. We feed, house and assist them via taxation and generous social service benefits. They have a multi billion dollar cottage industry of grievance groups. Their anchor babies are automatic citizens, we babysit them and their extended families while treating war vets like second class citizens the amount of backlogs at the VA is at an alarming rate for example. They enjoy a life that affords them running water electricity and employment. And if they commit crimes many get to stay .



http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/03/23/immigration-obama-deportation-review/6529849/


yes, the US is a better country to ALL its people than most others, especially 3rd world nations in distress…shocker

[WRESTLINGFAN]

How are they not treated humanely? It's not like they are being hung from trees and having crosses burned on their lawns. No one's rounding them up and putting them into cattle cars to be put to death.



They don't just get kicked out either, They are afforded a hearing. Instead of whining on how they have it here so badly, they should be thanking us.

[spoon]

wf - ceo and coo of missing the point

[foodcourtdruide]

How are they not treated humanely? It's not like they are being hung from trees and having crosses burned on their lawns. No one's rounding them up and putting them into cattle cars to be put to death.



They don't just get kicked out either, They are afforded a hearing. Instead of whining on how they have it here so badly, they should be thanking us.

Can I ask you who you are having this argument with? No one has stated they are being hung from trees or having crosses burned on their lawns or being put to death. You jumped to a completely crazy conclusion based off the word "humanely".

[spoon]

Can I ask you who you are having this argument with? No one has stated they are being hung from trees or having crosses burned on their lawns or being put to death. You jumped to a completely crazy conclusion based off the word "humanely".

no no, it's hang from trees and cross burning or humane…no in between and just a SMALL jump off the path…tiny bit

[Midkiff]

That is correct. Illegals are in the semi skilled trades as well, thus lowering wages for everyone else in those fields

Wow. I was joking around, but you took it to a whole new level.
Ever heard of a little thing called E-Verify? You have to verify right-to-work before you employ someone. The only illegals who have jobs here are people who either are working for cash illegally (fault of the GREEDY AMERICAN EMPLOYER) or somehow managed to buy a forged SSN. In the latter case, I would agree that they should fuck off.

http://www.uscis.gov/e-verify

[WRESTLINGFAN]

We are treating these people humanely when it comes to how we deal with them. An immigration hearing is what they get. They aren't just getting plucked and shipped back over the border in dead of night.


Why would Barack ever say that we need to treat them more humane ? Instead of detention centers should we put them up at a Ritz Carlton?

As far as their employment I have stated many times , target the employers as well

[spoon]

We are treating these people humanely when it comes to how we deal with them. An immigration hearing is what they get. They aren't just getting plucked and shipped back over the border in dead of night.


Why would Barack ever say that we need to treat them more humane ? Instead of detention centers should we put them up at a Ritz Carlton?

As far as their employment I have stated many times , target the employers as well

hilarious! there it is again

detention centers OR RITZ CARLTONS…"shipped back over the border IN THE DEAD OF NIGHT!"

let's just add any chance you get to make more ridiculous points tied to a guy being POLITICAL in his addressing of a touchy topic…SHOCKING!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why did Barack say that they needed to be treated more humanely ?

For fucks sake they are being treated well.

[spoon]

:wallbash:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Biden making stupid comments per the norm.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/27/joe-biden-undocumented-immigrants_n_5044613.html

[spoon]

he must have taken your class

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Bank robbers are just regular clients.

[spoon]

stop talking

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Tell it to Joe

[spoon]

no, he's entertaining…you're a bore

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He's Sarah Palin in a suit

[spoon]

nope

[epo]

He's Sarah Palin in a suit

Would Sarah Palin have ruined Paul Ryan and Rudy Guiliani ?

Don't think so. Go back to hack analogy class.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Palin could have been Obamas running mate and Barack still would have won 2 landslides.


That's what happens with a dumbed down electorate.

[spoon]

Again, no. The mere fact she was on any ticket shows the gop is worse than any voter block...including the idiots that voted for her and gay gramps.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Lindsey Graham wasn't on the top of the ticket in 2008


Both parties have their share of idiot voters.

The GOP wants to interfere around the world and thinks the earth is 6000, The Dems believe in superheroes who think their lives will be improved by people in DC

[spoon]

Yes, that technically is a role of government in the form of protective rules and regulation, consumer protections and freedom of persecution based on beliefs or lack their of. So much more, but talking to you is a complete waste of time proven over and over and over again. So let's keep it fun and u ignore everything, be an idiot and plenty chime in to poke the fool.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You're right. If you are the highest bidder, you get the most protection. That's how it works


if you are in the right industry, you get a healthcare law written in your favor too. All hail corporatism. Maybe you'll get bailed out down the road.

[spoon]

Yah, maybe.